Episode 170 - Departing Legend and a Goat's Milestone - Two Slips & A Gully

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situp, Hello everyone, and welcomeback to what will be the final
two slips in the Gully episode fortwenty twenty three. We've had life and

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work and all sorts of bits andpizza getting the way. But we're here,
we're back, We're ready to go. I'm joined by Aaron. How
are you mate, I'm very welland Merry Christmas to all the listeners.
Yes, Merry Christmas and happy Holidaysand all of that coming your way.
We're going to finish off twenty twentythree. Obviously we're going to be talking
about the first Test between Australia andPakistan. We're also going to have a
bit of a chat about I feelwere remiss about it and it was my

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intention to do this a lot earlierthan now, but we got caught up
in the World Cup, so itwas going to be the first episode after
the World Cup. Just kept gettingshut waters and work happened. But we're
getting to it now and we're goingto do respect for arguably definitely a top
five captain. Statistically, you'd behard for used to say that there's a
better captain that has ever represented Australia, has pulled called stumps on their career

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and as of course the great MegLanning. And so we're going to be
of a chat about Meg and everythingthat she's brought to Australian cricket and give
her a proper two slips and agully farewell for being such a brilliant ambassador
for not only the women's game butcricket itself. And it's just just phenomenal
at what she does. You can'tsee it, but I've probably almost shaken

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my head off. My shoulders aregreen with absolutely everything that you just said.
I rate this woman as one ofthe great sporting stars of this country's
history. What she's brought to thegame of cricket and women's sport in general.
I mean she's an inspiration to awhole generation of young female athletes who

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look at her and go, Wow, look at what you've been able to
achieve in your career with the hardwork and the perseverance and everything that you
put in, not to mention theconsiderable bucket loads of talent that you had
splashed all over you. I stillthink you've got one of the best cut
shots in the game. Meg Lanningjust technically perfect and yeah, we've got

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lots of love for me. Ithink it's a credit to how great Meg
Lanning is when you look at someof her contemporaries. I mean, she's
playing with Elise Perry, she's playingwith Alyssa Heely, She's playing, you
know, with all of these supermodern superstars of the game. And she
managed to set herself apart from thoseplayers. And when you're you know,

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you need to be a very specialplayer to be set apart from Elise Perry.
Oh. Look, she's just aphenomenon. That's I mean, she's
another story entirely. Probably the greatestcomparison I think we can make too with
Meg Lanning to any sort of contemporarycaptain in our game would probably be the

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great Clive Lloyd. Yeah, Iwas coming here with bitterness and Clive Lloyd,
I think, and I don't wantto hear any quibbling around versus women.
We're putting a stop to that.We're just taking it on their merits.
You know, we're not saying that, you know, Meg Lanning is
you know, the next best captainor anything like that, if you know,

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We're just doing it on the bodyof work that they have produced.
So let's just put that to betterright now, but on on paper with
the list of achievements that that thatLanning and her then she is achieved her
posse that you would have to saythat the only captain that I can think
of in around about the modern Nicheera would be Clive Lloyd's West Indies,

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because I mean, and we're talkingabout it's not even just about the individual
numbers, which are quite stunning whenyou look at the amount of brunch he's
made, her record as a asa as a batter, the amount of
tournament she's won, the amount ofsuccess that she's had, it's about it's
that clive Lloyd esque effect on thepeople around her and what she did for

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the game. When during her tenure, when she had that hiatus just before
the last T twenty World Cup,like the Australian cricket team still went on
their winning ways, but they seemeda lot less self assured. I don't
know, like there was just thatfeel about it that there was a sense
that, yeah, a tiny littlesense that if you had a really really
good day and they were five percentof you could get them. You never

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had that when met Lanning and wasriding rough shot over the over the cricket
well. And then Lanning came backfor that that World Cup campaign and obviously
you know Australia that wins a verygood World Cup final against against South Africa
in South Africa. You just yetjust felt that there was just a different
dynamic with Landing coming into that side. And obviously I'm a bit too young

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to have watched it live, buti've you know, from you know,
all of the reports around it andall of the stories and the highlights and
all that sort of stuff that that'sa very sort of Clive Lloyd esque there
is, you know aura to what. Yeah, there was obviously lots of
very brilliant individual players. You hadAndy Roberts, Malcolm Marshall, you know,

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Viv Richards, you know, Greenwichand Haynes all lifted there. And
then you know, to be consideredspecial in a team that has those players
in it, you've got to bespecial. And it's been the same with
with Lanning and you had, Shoot, you've got Gardener, You've got you
know, we've talked about Healey andPerry and Mooney and Mooney and Rachel Haynes
and all these sort of people,and you know, to be still there

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that just extra ingredient that goes into make what is already an absolutely staggeringly
talented team not only world beaters,but like they ran the garnlet on the
world basically for was it twenty sevenand straight ODI victories, just a plethora
of well you know, World Cups, both T twenty and ODI ashes,

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retentions, all sorts of things.And if we just go talking a little
bit now about Lanning the individual,we know what lanning the talisman has brought
to the side, but we're talkingabout in one hundred and three odies for
Australia averaging fifty three fifteen hundreds andtwenty one fifties, one hundred and thirty

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two T twenty Internationals. You know, she averages thirty six twenty two hundreds
and fifteen fifties, three and ahalf thousand runs in the WBBL nearly three
thousand runs at forty with one hundredand twenty nine fifties. Like she makes
batting look easy. I've always lovedwatching her bat because, as I said,

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I personally think we're not talking abouthow hard you can hit this shot.
The cut shot is possibly the mostthat and the cover drive would probably
be considered be the two most elegantshots to look at when they're played.
Well, you know, we usedto love watching guys like Hassan and start

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coincidence if you played a cover driveor usually a pretty good cut. Just
look at a guy like Ricky Poney, look at Michael Clark. Michael Clapp
was just a brilliant cut of theball and a beautiful cover driver. Watson
has a done a very good example, very very good driver. And that
was his other shot, that lakecut. That He was one of the
last guys that I can remember inthe modern era who genuine play a lake

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cup was what these days they justlike to try and crash the cover off
it, or they play like thelap sweep instead of a lake cut.
So I always love watching her,just the technique with that, with that
cut, and she could you couldsee how good she was at it,
that she could basically decide, youknow, either side of a fielder.
I mean, I remember seeing teamsusing two gullies tour and stuff like that

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and trying to feeder cuts. DamienMartin about that, Damien Martin, there
was another player that was just youpack as many players as you want in
that area and you'll find a wayto cut the ball through the eye hair.
Yeah, sometimes it is detriment,but of course, I mean I
think with players like that, youlive by the side, you die by
the side you can. The cartshot is one shot that you play by

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choice. You're not forced into playin the cart shop because you see it
pretty early and you're going, right, I'm going to have a piece of
that. So there are going tobe runs that you have where you spack
it straight at gully or straight atpoint or whatever it happens to be.
But it's still I think if youhad, if I had to pick a
favorite shot that I like to watchfrom other people, the cut shock and

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a couple of dugs will probably beequal, and she has just the most
magnificent cut shot. I'm going toI do like a good cut shot,
but just I'm going to sneakily getin a birthday celebration for the great man
and go. The shot that Imost like to watch is Ricky Ponting's shot.
Yes, we had it. Wehad a pleasant experience one that came

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up, but I was like,I am sharing that. I honestly,
I think I spent about fifty It'sa minute and a half, not even
that, and I think I'll watchit for about fifteen minutes, just over
and over again, just watching punof those those ball shots. But yeah,
back to back to Meg. Yeah, she's just been phenomenal for for
women's cricket, for cricket in generalin Australia. I mean, if you

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look at women's sport globally, thereisn't a huge following comparatively speaking to obviously
that the men's sports. And Ifeel that in Australia it's one of the
few places where the love that thewomen are getting is gaining ground on the

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men's game, and I think MegLanning has a lot to do with it.
I mean, everyone loves the backof winner, right and they all
seem to do it in the rightway. There's there was there's a Twitter
page that I follow and they werethey were talking about wanting to get a
test documentary, like the men havegot why haven't the women got one?
I said, you guys are boring, and she took it offensively and I

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deliberately left it open ended to geta response. And what do you mean
boring? I said, who wantsto watch the documentary about how? You
know? Fifteen to twenty absolutely amazingcricketers win everything with no fuss at all,
Like where's the drama and that where'sa tension, like, we can't
create any tension here. You guysjust go out, you do your job,
you do it amazingly and you win, and then you go to the

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next place and do your job again. You do it amazingly like And just
this year fact that if you goand watch the Australian one day and team
twenty sides play cowing bowlers they uselike they could use seven bowlers in a
T twenty game that's I heard of. And all of the bowlers they use
almost to a person, like toa woman, could bowl give you four

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overs, but you'll like you'll havesomeone maybe bowl one over. I think
I watched the game where Alana King, who had just been dominant dominating the
world, burst onto the scene forAustralia has made World Cups, you know,
knocking stumps over for fun in thehundred bold and over as the frontline
leg spinner in a game in aT twenty because there was just so many
other options. I said, youguys are poring. Why would I want

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to watch a documentary about just watching, you know, watching a fantastic cricket
team with no drama, no personalitiesclashing or doing the job they need to
do to win as professionally and ashonorably as possible with the minimum of fuss.
Isn't that interesting that if you say, for arguments, that you did
do a woman's version of the test, where would where would the controversy be?

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Because they all seem to love eachother, you know, and there's
no there's no schisms, there's nolittle clicks or anything like that. It
doesn't seem to well, it's notobviously it's not for public consumption. If
there is, and that in itselfand so and if there is, and
obviously they can't all love each other. It is it's got to be possible

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to have like somewhat over the courseof the last few years, you're probably
talk and what thirty thirty odd cricketershave been around in and around the scene,
all their coaches and stuff. Ifthey can't all love each other,
it is impossible. We can't havethat many group of people with out there
being some people that like others morethan some others. And you know,
maybe a bit of infighting, maybea bit of you know, it's a

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highly you know, stressed competitive environment. You know, tensions are going to
boil over. You don't hear aboutit. You know, there's no blow
ups, there's no you know,you know, for there are no David
Warners, for example, galloping aroundin the women's cricket team. If they
do have David Warners, they've atleast got the decency to be making sure

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that that's being done behind closed doorsand not behaving like children on the front
page of the newspaper. Which,again, why would I want to watch
the documentary where I'm watching you know, twenty to thirty absolutely absolutely brilliant professionals
doing their job brilliantly, like there'sno tension in that. I'll just go

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and watch highlights of what you've beendoing. And so I hoping that this
person at this interaction, we tookit as the tongue in cheek that it
was that I wasn't actually having ago at the women's cricket team. It
was just you guys don't have one, because you're boring, because you guys
just I don't want it. Idon't need to see an eight part documentary
about how you beat everyone all thetime. I'll just go on what I'll

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spend that eight hours watching Australian women'scricket team highlights. You know then then
that's what it is. They absolutelydeserve one like, don't get me wrong,
definitely deserving. But I'm just findingI'm finding it difficult to market it
other than the fact that you're justwatching a team that is amazing do amazing
things for eight episodes. I wasactually just going through the list of Meg

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Lannings one Day International hundreds. Doyou reckon she might look batting at the
Bay Oval? How many she gotthere? Well as one? Two?
It looks like two in a row. Three, let's see she run out
of us, she run out ofcenturies to fit in there, all the
over us. But yeah, it'sclearly one of her favorite grounds along with

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Wow, well she's made a hundredof the Whacker and if her second one
was made at the one Ketty Stadiumin India, So there's two two fairly
diverse types of wicket that you makeit. I think she just likes to
be honest, I think I thinkthat's true. I think she just loves
batting. And yeah, I don'tthink we really have the superlities that you

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know, we could ramble on andon and on about this woman. She's
not just important to create it.She's important to Australian sport exactly. That
is something that only very few wereon with that, with that public acclaim
that you know, she will turnup at whatever event she turns up with
for the rest of her life andshe will be honored and venerated for the

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greatness that she that she achieved inher life, and rightly so. And
I don't mean to denounce. Idon't remember her name, which is probably
the reason why my point is sovalid. The lady that had a statue
made of her in the w af L that it was a brilliant piece
of photography and they made a statueof her. I can't remember her name

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now, which is Dais. Idon't think it's days I remember a name
like Daisy. I'm sure it issomething. Anyways, she's a bang average
women's AFL play like average might evenbe generous, and she's got a trophy.
Meg Lanning is a female athlete,not even she's an athlete. She's
an athlete that deserves to have astatue built of her from what she has

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brought to her sport and Australian sport. And so Meg, wherever you are,
if you're listening, I hope you'veenjoy a very well earned retirement,
and from the bottom of our heartsat two slips in the gully, we
want to offer our sincere thanks foreverything that you have put in, not
only for Australian cricket, but forcricket in general, for the world,

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in sport in general, for women'ssport, all the sacrifices that you've had
to make to you know, tobe a player with the level of sustained
excellence that you've managed to achieve,For your ability to bring a host of
incredibly talented women together and have themplaying and sacrificing as a cohesive unit.

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Because we all make the joke aboutyou know, Glenn McGrath would have to
have the ball taken out of hiscold dead fingers before he'd give the ball
up after a spell, whereas youhad these you know, you know,
these women taking through, jumping throughhoops and taking out of their own success
to make sure the team was comingfirst. And that takes a very special

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level of commitment and leadership, andthat you know that starts with the coaching
staff and starts with you and theyou know, the behaviors that you're prepared
to accept, so you will godown men or women, as one of
the greatest sporting leaders of any sportin history. What you have achieved with

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the Australian cricket team during your tenureis something to be marveled at, and
we hope that you enjoy a verywell earned retirement and hopefully we get to
see you, you know, maybeplying your stuff in the WBBL sometime again
soon. In our very brief wellmaybe not so brief, depending on how

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much you enjoy our podcast, youmight be absolutely clawing at the bit to
get the next one. But inour brief hiatus, we've also missed five
random T twenty internationals that were justtacked on to the end of the World
Cup in India against India and Indiawere very very good. Both teams played
a lineup that were well aught oftheir of their best and it can be

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safely say that India's third choice teamare much better than our third choice team
winning the series for one. Butthere was a lot to like. I
thought about some of the guys thatyou managed to get in there and and
have a India played very well.Wishno was fantastic, they were, they
were well led by uh well Siperiod Y had ad. You know,

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there was obviously very batting friendly,which is why I want to give serious,
serious kudos to Jason Behrendorf. Therewere some of the flattest T twenty
wickets I've seen in a while,very very bowl a batter friendly for a
lot of those games, and Parrendorf'sfigures for that series are incredible. He
like no one could hit him.It was fantastic. Yeah, it was.

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It was an odd little series andit wasn't just the economy. He
took wickets and he was taking Hewas probably the only seema on I guess
on overside really consistently taking wickets throughoutthe throughout the whole games, and you
just felt that when he come onin Australia had control of the game.
But unfortunately he count all from bothfans and bald twenty eight was consecutively.

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So that's just how it rolls.Maxie again in this series showed that just
for how class the years before gettingan early marketing heading home a brilliant hundred
from him, we tried sort ofrotating the decks and getting the bits and
pieces. So I just want togo through before we go too far,
just some highlights from the Aussies Aboutwhat I liked obviously Berendorf fantastic. I

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really liked Aaron Hardy how that youoften get the new ball, which would
have not unknown to him he wasgetting the new ball playing for w A
this year. Showed a little bitwith the bat as well. I think
there's a lot to like about AaronHardy. He's going to very much be
one of those guys that's going tohelp our all round it already flush all

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round a depth then, isn't itamazing? Probably only ten years ago we
didn't really have any all rounders atall, and now it's like we've grown
three of them and they're just comingout of the wood work. Pretty much
every state has has arosonal quality firstclass or round in their ranks, and
some unless unless you wa and you'vegot several, isn't amazing And they just

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keep and they all very similar,about twenty four tall and all bowl around
about one hundred and thirty five onehundred and forty k's and hit the ball
like there's not a ground big enoughand can contain them. So it's almost
like they clone them. Yeah,we watch out out there now Tandy Sager.
There's a lot to like about him. I don't think he's international ready

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just yet, which by no meanshe should be. I mean, you
can't all be a wonder kid totwenty one. I think there's he's not
far from it just and there's nothingthat more games for Australia won't fix.
But he's obviously not the finished product. He went for a few runs,
bowls a few too many four ballsfor teen twenty. He definitely bowls too
many at the moment, he's bylingtoo many four walls. But we discussed

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his previously. I think a lotof us just to deal with the consuberance
of youth, and he's just basicallyloving doing what he's doing. He's trying
to take a wicket every bare whenhe goes into a more when he's probably
fell in a little bit more established, when he gets a little bit more
experience. The tool kit of thiskid is impressing. Yeah, you can
see as well. He doesn' thinkit rattled easily. He went for a

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few runs of points against India andalways Sindri's come bounding back ready to keep
going. That he didn't look likeit phased him, which is Obviously,
the first part of being a younga young spinner is being able to deal
with getting a bit of tap andhe looks like that that doesn't bother him
too much. He held his composure. You could see through the games he
was getting better the more he bolved. So yeah, he's definitely not the

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finished product. He's not ready togo and lead in Australian attack, certainly
not ready to dethrone Adam Zamper.But he is definitely a very good deputy
to have flown around as a backup. League's been a very impressed by him,
you know. Obviously Josh Inglis's firstone hundred for Australia was a bit
of a highlight as well. Thatwas quite an impressive innings. He had

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a little bit of luck, butI mean, does anybody really make serious
runs in a teen twenty international gameand not have one slice of luck?
I couldn't remember too many knocks likeflawless. Flawless knocks in teen twenty aren't
aren't the norm, Let's put itthat way. And yeah, he had

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a little bit of luck and hemis hit a couple of balls, but
wow, some of the balls thathe did hit and his ability to score
a burst of runs really quickly,where you might have him tie down for
a couple of balls and he'll justrip twenty off the next three or four
or five balls, and all ofthat, all of that work that you
think you were doing has been undone. He's probably consolidated his place. I

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think he's a twenty week keeper forthe foreseeable future. I think we are.
That was as a third string team. There was nobody who really stood
out for me out of it,apart from those guys who really who we've

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already mentioned, like totally Berendorf andguys like that. There was an inconsistent
tour I thought for some of them. Yeah, and when they said when
they sent the big guns home,I'm not sure that the guys who come
in actually grabbed that opportunity. Soone of the things that and it's it's

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a little left of field. ButMatthew Wade, I think he's got more
to give. I think obviously you'reright that English is ideally probably going to
say the the next or he's thehe'd be the limited overs wiki keeper for
Australia. But I just went theWorld Cup after all. I think Wade

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has got to be the guy thatcomes in next at the moment, like
Carrie has been, Kerry has beennon existent in the white ball game for
a little while Philippy is still yetto find his feet and really established himself.
One of the things I think thatI like about Matthew Way being that
next guy is that you know,Wade quite clearly is an opening back.

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He's an opening stick when he playsBBL, but he has adjusted his game
when he plays for Australia to bethe guy that you can count on at
the death. I mean, hewas instrumental and it's winning the Tea twenty
World Cup. And I think,you know, talking specifically about gearing up,
because what I want to do atthe end of this segment is obviously

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have a bit of a way tooearly prediction of who's going to be in
our World Cup squad. I wouldbe taking Wade as that next wicket keeper
because I just think he's a guythat, you know, We've got plenty
of guys that we can whack hup the top of the order. We've
got so many guys that we canplay at the top of the order.
And I don't if you're going tosay that Kerry or Philippy or even McDermott
for example, of the next wicketkeeper. I don't think neither of those

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guys are beating out the probably ourfirst six or seven options to play at
the top of the order. You'vegot to find a hole for him,
you know, Whereas English is perfectlyhappy batting in the middle and Wade,
even though he predominantly back to thetop of the order, domestically has proven

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that you put him in the Greenand Gold, not only will he happy
batting down the bottom, but willdo a good job finishing off in innings
if you need it. So therewere a few games he very nearly got
his home batting very well. Obviouslywe've seen it in the World Cup.
I would be taking him as myreserve wicketkeeper to getting getting even if he
doesn't get a game, get himover there for a Caribbean holiday. He's
done enough for Australia to earn that. Yeah, I don't know whether over

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the just having a look at theway that our selection panel goes about it,
there's no there doesn't seem to beany clear message that they're giving to
anybody here. I mean, MattWade is what thirty four, thirty five.
Are you really going to say thathe's the next best option in your
eyes when you've got those guys whoyou just rattled off who do the same

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sort of job. English batting downnew order would do the same job that
Wade would be doing anyway, SoI'd say English is the guy. He's
out front line with a keep up. We rock up all one Game one
of the World Cup English as well, So essentially we're just going to take
Wade as the backup wick keeper andhe's not going to be putting Well,

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yeah, I see the point you'regoing with. My primary argument. If
we didn't have a World Cup comingup in what six months time? Seven
months time? When is October soeleven months time, then I'd be yeah,
I'd be moving towards so and youcan still do that. But at
the moment, all of the theupcoming wicket keepers that we've got that haven't

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had that, not only have theynot grabbed it, but they all tend
to be people that need to batup the top of the order. Whereas
Wave gives you the flexibility of ifyou do need to pick a reserve keeper,
you don't have to upend your teamto get him in. If you're
going to take Philippy as the reservekeeper, he's an opening back. Only
the player's an opening back. We'venever seen him succeed at any point and

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at any level. We're a bitof a hitter in the one day is
at T twenty level, be itfor the sixers or Australia or whatever it
might be. He does his bestwork as an opener. You've got Warner,
You've got Smith, You've got Marsh, you've got Travis Head like there
are a number and all of thoseguys I'm comfortably taking ahead of Josh Phillippy.

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So say English, who is whatour number five batsman goes down?
We then need to rejig ourrant Hirebatting lineup to get the best out of
our wiket keeper. Or we playa wicket or we play the wicked keeper
in a position where he's not goingto do any good. Or you can
take Matt Wade and you know thatif you whack him in at five or
six, whatever it might be,he will do an excellent job. So

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what I'm saying is for the purposesof the World Cup, we can't afford
to take a wicket keeper whose nextbest option is to open the batting,
if that makes sense, because realisticallyhe won't open the batting. So then
we're going to ask them. Andwhich is where we've got in trouble for
years, is we just pick thebest, you know, six or seven
batsmen that we've got in a squad. And of those six or seven batsmen,

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they are all openers except Blair Maxwell. Lovell want to bat one,
two or three. So we're feedingwe've got Blair Maxwell, who basically lives
at four for our one day it'sour Tea twenty international side. And then
we'll pick guys like Story in USwho predominantly open the batting, and we'll
pick Finch, and we'll pick Warner, and we'll pick Smith at Smith and
will pick marsh and pick all theseguys that and McDermott and we'll pick Philippy
and all these guys who do whatthey do is they own in the batting.

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And then we go wonder, why, you know, Marcus Denis,
who has just spent the last twoyears straight like smacking boundaries for the Melbourne
Stars batting at one, comes inat five or six, and we know
he's a guy that takes a littlebit to get going, and he's worked
on that part of his game alot over the sort of the last eight

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months or so, but that wasone of his big, big issues that
we have when he played for Australia, especially the T twenty level. He
wasn't a guy that just cleared thefront leg and hit from ball one.
He needed to block out a fewballs and so then the run rates started
to bill because he would be sittingthere getting his eye in showing up dot
balls or the back end of aninnings before he could really let go,
and we wondered why our team lackedcohesiveness and balance. What I'm saying,

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for the sake of this is Englishis going to be the guy who we
know that's five ish for Australian ina T twenty World Cup. If he
gets injured, we've then got ashuffle. If we're going to get the
best out of his replacement, beinga guy like Phillippy, he would need
to bat one or two, andthe guys are currently batting one, two
and three are way better one twothan threes than Philip bit one, two,

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three and four. So actually it'sgoing to be interesting, isn't it
That like I said, No,there's nobody really who've got a gig on
this too, other than the guyswho have already named, who've shown that
they're up to the next level.I mean, when we go where we
have our little blurb about our waytoo early World Cup squad, none of

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these guys are going to be init. I don't think I've got a
pretty good idea of who. Ithink we're going to take. Maybe a
few differences in the Barlin, butI think the batting line up pretty much
picks itself. Well, let's dothat. Let's not bet around the bush.
We've got, We've got the Testmatch to talk about, So let's
go. So who have you gotif you're going to pick a way too
early World Cup squad for the totallyCaribbean, let's rattle off the name.

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So obviously we're taking Dave Warner,Dave one will whether let's start at the
top, Steve Smith, Travis Head, Mitch marsh therefore easy picks, whether
or not all four of them playevery game at the moment the way that
Marsh had Warner have been hitting theball. I don't like Smith lower than
than three. I think there arebetter options than Smith coming in at four

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or five six, So I actuallythe way I'm envision is spongeful open.
He'll be one of the open.I don't know if he beats out Warner
and Head. That's the thing.Twelve months ago. Smith was definitely my
own way Travis Head's playing, SoI think Warner will be one and then
it will come down between Travis Headand Steve Smith for the other one.

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So you think Marsha three, Yeah, that way. Marsh's renaissance like and
and I'm not gonna lie like wehave absolutely torn shreds off Mitch Marsh,
you know, not only on thepodcast, but just like a department just
talking Frigate, the guy flat outcould not play test Briggate. His turnaround
in the last two years is meteoric. The way that he has played since

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basically been given at going out battingat three on that Winter tour to the
West Indies, that that T twentyInternational tour, been given a license just
to go up and make your jobis to hit the ball really hard,
don't worry about anything else, hiteverything for four or six. And since
he's had that epiphany and that Winterseries has clicked, I haven't seen a

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cricketer in my entire life have sucha remarkable turnaround over a subsame period of
time. Like it's not just aflash in the bottle or lightning in a
bottles. He has become consistently oneof the premieer cricketers in the world.
That poses a conundrum. But hehas scored two hundred two Tests, one

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hundred and ninety and what one hundredand three four fifties in his last six
tests? Yeah, five or sixTest winnings. You got one hundred over
in England. He backed it up. I think at least one more thing
a fifty plus a big forty onehour, that's right. And then he's
come over here and hit a ninetyand another fifty, So yeah, and

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that's a Test cricket, which iswhat he has been historically awful at.
So yeah, he's don't mess aroundwith Mitch Marsh. If Miss Marsh is
mayor home at three in the Ttwenty side, he can stay there.
So I think the top three aregoing to be a Warner Smith slash head,
Mitch Marsh GLA. Maxwel obviously comesin at four English five take your

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pick at sixty when you want abat at six. What are we looking
for another bowl in option? Orare we just going to go for somebody
who's going to fish? I thinkI think from there, look you're looking
at a guy like Tim David,he'll be thereabouts. Well that was that
was the kind of conundrum for me. Are we're just going to go with
somebody like a Tim David who clearsthe front leg and just tries to hit
the ballot of the fence. Arewe looking to bolster the bowl when you're

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a little bit with but before wego picking like an out and out eleven,
I think we'll just we'll pick.We'll pick guys were definitely going to
be there. So the fore namewe talked about, Smith Head, Warner,
Marsh definitely there. Maxwell's definitely there. Tim David will probably be there.
And on the other side of things, you're looking at Cummins will be

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there, Hazel will be there,Stark will be there. I'm going to
throw out that Jason Berendorf has tobe there. Zamps will be there.
So there's you're eleven there. There'seleven players right there, and I think
guys who i'd really like to seea look at, I'd like to see
like I said, Matthew Wade,that's twelve. I'd like to see tam

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V Sanger go over as a reserved. Bob definitely got TMV penciled into the
squad, all things being equal,has a has a realisable season this year.
All he needs to do is havea reasonable season. He's he,
I think, has been designated asthis guy to go take us forward over
a period of time. And hethought I said that the tool it's amazing.

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So yeah, he's an a planeto the caravan. So that's twelve.
I'd like to see two of HardyStowiness. I Over really wouldn't like
to see Stowiness, but he's theincumbent, so I think he's going to
be in consideration Hardy Stowiness. Actually, I'm gonna get rid of that.
I want Stollness. He's gone ontwo of I want to see two of
Hardy Green or Sutherland, two ofthose guys coming in. I almagine we

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have to pencil Hardy in and thenso that gives us fourteen, and then
I'd like to probably see probably mattShort as the fifteenth, which is a
guy again all we take him andwe take we take Way as a reserve
WICKI couver there's our two speed batsmen. We've got the all rounder as a

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and then you're all Green would beyou'd be looking at Green as more of
a batting all rounder hopefully, andthen you've got Sutherland and Hardy who are
bowling all round us if you neededto go that way. I don't want
to see any more Seoran Abbott.I don't think he quite cuts the muster
his opportunities, and he's getting ona bit. We've got so many brilliant
young all rounders coming through. Idon't want to see any more stoliness.

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I want I personally didn't want tosee storying, and as it turned out,
he wouldn't end up being in theplans in the fifty over World Cup.
Towards the end, Yeah, he'sI could potentially considering you've got a
few handy all rounders in there.I don't necessarily know if we need it,

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but I wouldn't mind if he getsin a bit of form and stays
fit, maybe losing say a MattShort for an Ashton Ager if you need
to do the two front line spinners. We got through a one day in
the National World Cup using Xamps andMaxwell, and I think that was really
bad for Ashton AGAs international aspirations,because the big thing is can you trust

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Maxwell to be a front line spinningoption. If not, that's why you
pick Ager who can be? Hecould be, He could be the ole
spinner for Australia. He bowls verywell in T twenty cricket for Australia.
But Maxwell's Maxwell's world cut prove thatwe don't necessarily need to have to carry
Agar. So unless Agar becomes alot more consistent with the bat makes it

(38:15):
very difficult. But that being said, you could probably go something like if
you wanted to, depending on howthe wicket's going to play in the West
Indies, you could do say aStark Commons a Zampa Aga is your four
players, and then you could dolike a Sutherland or a Hardy in there,
which gives you three quicks and thenyou have Hardy as well. As

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I don't think we would have toomuch hesitation in batting, you know as
a ork abat anywhere we haven't anyway, so you know he's already open.
You know, he could be theguy that goes and slogs. He could
be a guy that bats in thetop Sutherland I think is a very much
a genuine sort of I'm going tobat sort of six through eights and I'm
going to hit the ball really hard. Having said that, but on and

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we talk about improved players, howimproved over the last couple of years,
is will someone He is now becomingan elite all around dur in his country,
and not only that at a domesticlevel he could push for a national
birth as a specialist bowler. Yeah, he's bawling. This year has been

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nothing short of outstanding because when weare fortunate enough to get Sheffield Shield on
Ko and I'm always watching the SheffieldShield and his progression from I remember him
coming from and has always been arap on him and he's had his ups
and down. He's not quite asgood as Annabelt, but he's getting there.
Yeah. Well it's pretty sad we'renot even the best player in your

(39:42):
own family a But anyway, Yeah, he's he's one we really need to
be putting some Could you imagine thatguy with what he's been doing. I
know there's a big step up betweenShield cricket and Test level, but could
you imagine him coming in at eightfor Australia. Oh, because he could.
He genuinely could. The way thathe's been bowling, the way that
his trajectory is panning out as afrontline bowler, he could definitely be a

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guy that earns his spot inside purelyon bowling alone. He has been putting
up some very very good numbers ofVictoria just as a bowler, same as
Michael Nisa. But hopefully he doesn'tget pigeonholed all his career doesn't sort of
follow that part because he doesn't.He's not the one forty guy, okay,

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and Australia at the moment seemed tohave a bit of a fixation on
the guys. Well it's complete fallacybecause like well, Stark doesn't and forty
he's the only player that consistently getsabove one forty. Stark, Cummins and
Hazelwood are high one thirties. Andand you know what, I think that's
something that Will Sutlin can give you. And I think he might be timing

(40:51):
his career very well. I mean, Hazel would and I love Josh Hayes
Wood. He's getting a little there, or starting to get a little longer
in the tooth. Injuries are comingin. He's still a very young man.
Will Sutherland. Stark's not getting anyyounger as well, that they're all
starting to get to that point wherethey're almost about to stage out. Starts
looking at the pension front now becausehe's going to nominate for them, and
there's no player in the country whoI agree deserves that. Because the amount

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of IPLs and being one of thepremier white ball players in history, he
would have commanded he has. Hehas honestly set fire to millions of US
dollars in unpaid IPL contracts that hewould have been able to earn to make

(41:36):
sure that he is right to playwhichever tool is coming up. And if
there's ever a guy that I'm happyto go to, this year is the
year that I am putting all elseaside and I'm gonna go and plays in
MYPL Stark is the one player I'dbe happy to go. Yeah, this
year, I'm doing it. Idon't care what happens. And he's a
guy that has acknowledged that he hashad form dips and worked hard to get

(42:00):
through them. He hasn't just takenthe easy buck and on all that he's
done the work, he's gotten backinto it. So, yeah, there's
ever a player that I think deservesto just just a little seguey about Mitch
Start. We were looking at thefive highest wicket takers for Australia in Test
cricket and he's the fifth. Ifyou said that to somebody, like just

(42:22):
an average joe in the street,I guess is the fifth leading take warn
warm gras line line. Come onafter that, he's beat Johnson. He's
head a lead. Lily No,Lily, yeah, lily Liian and Stark

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Start's got three hundred and thirty eightTest wickets. That is like, that's
just a lit All these people thatmake fun of Mitch Stark and he's like,
oh, he's just a hack thatgoes and just bowls it. How
did you take He's taken three hundredplus wickets at twenty seven. You don't
do that by accident, that notover a long career. It's comparable to

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anybody except the very very great inhistory. Ian Botham's Test bowling record is
twenty six is it not twenty sixand twenty seven. I know he's a
bit of an all rounder, buthe's highly rated as a bowler and once
he got three hundred. Yeah,so he's about that sort of market,
about that sort of average, andhe's never had his sort of bowling chops

(43:28):
called into into question. He's alwaysbeen considered one of the elite bowls go
and playing in England with the Dukeand all that sort of stuff. Yeah,
I got a lot of I gota lot of time for Mitchell Stark,
Like there was a period where hewas really struggling and I didn't know
necessarily know whether he should have beenthe first guy picked or you know,
the third guy picked, but theystuck with him for that that Ashes tour

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where the England came out and hebowled Rory Burns behind his legs first ball,
and from that point on he absolutelybelonged. Like there's been no there's
been nothing to say that he shouldn'tbe there. He's whatever it was,
whatever the yips were that he had, he's figured him out and he's been
he's been excellent. But yeah,so that's it. That's our way too
early squad for mine. We willbe revisiting this before for sure. There's

(44:15):
when they name the squad and thenwe're going to go geez worthy. A
bunch of fellows, aren't we probablynot. The way the selectors have been
working recently, We're probably not.But I'd say that that's who I the
key movers and shakers out of thatis. I'd like to take, depending
on form and fitness, two ofGreen, Hardy and Sutherland as the all

(44:37):
rounders. Bearndorf's got to go,Sanger's got to go like they've got to
be in there. And I justI think it's time that we say thanks
for all your efforts to Marcus Stawers. I mean, he's his ceiling.
He's not getting any better, He'sonly going to He's only going to get
worse. His very best game forAustralia was very first game for Australia.

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And enough's enough. We have somany done young all rounders that are performing,
if not at the same level,even probably better than Marcusyness. And
there's no disrespect to what he's done. Marcus Doorness has done a lot of
nice things. He was all much. He was just as instrumental as Matthew

(45:21):
Wade in the twenty twenty one WorldCup. But that's getting on three years
ago now and he certainly hasn't gotany better or done anything that suggests that
he gets to that, he getsto go to the Caribbean. Enough's enough.
What is really when we're looking atthe fact too, that you've got
David Warner on his side, he'llbe out of it. This will be
Steve Smith's last World Cup, sobig, Glenn Maxwell's last World Cup.

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You know, Jason Berendorf, whoabsolutely on merit, deserves to go.
Mitchell Stark got these It's an oldteam. We need to start getting some
new faces in there, and soI don't mind taking some old faces if
they deserve to be there on merit. And I find it very very hard
to argue that Marcus Steyness deserves tobe there on merit. There are guys

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that can do exactly exactly the samejob and have ten years off their the
age. And if Glenn was here, Len would say, this is the
thing that Glenn always the age shouldn'tbe the determining factor and you're getting picked,
but it should be the tiebreaker.If you've got a thirty five year
old that's going to do a joband you've got a twenty three year old

(46:27):
that's going to do the job,it's the nature of professional sports. Pick
the twenty three year old if there'snothing splitting them, take the twenty three
year old, because that guy isgoing to give you ten years and potentially
get better. And let's face it, all we really would be doing I
think if we took the stain againand it's his farewell tour, you know,

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he has not been a player thathas been good enough for a farewell.
We're all spilling about the farewell tothe Warners, Baker and we well
weren't very happy about the farewell tillthe Darren Finch guy and those guys have
done one hell of a lot morefor Australia and one is small games and
just been generally brilliant than what MarcusStein has ever has. And it's not

(47:14):
a disrespect thing to Marcus Thauners.He's just he's just one of those players
that statistically he's not impressive and he'sinconsistent, and he's just I think he's
just hit the ceiling of what he'sgoing to produce for Australia, and what
he's producing for Australia can be replicatedby a number of younger players who,
if they're given a crack at theinternational level, could quite easily develop like

(47:35):
they could quite easily not either,but they could quite easily become much better
players than what Marcus Thorners has everbeen for Australia. And at that point,
he's now, he's now the youknow, he's now the cork in
the bottle. Get rid of itthat some of these like we've got.
This is, like you said earlier, this is probably the biggest glut of
young talented all round as that Australiahas had in my lifetime. But the

(47:57):
horses out let him gallop well inmy lifetime, and my lifetime's considerably longer
than yours. So I mean,I remember at times when we were screaming
out for good all rounders and wewould find one who'd been doing okay at
at state level. And you know, I don't know if you remember a
guy called Sean Graff. I'm awareof his existence, said too much about

(48:21):
him. Yeah, no, anyway, that's probably the best way for it.
And all these guys we've been doing, you remember Peter Sleep Sleep leg
spending all round. But like evengoing back, not even that far,
but just to two thousand and five, if we were half of flint Off
carved us up in two thousand andfive, there wouldn't have been a big

(48:44):
overhaul of national cricket in Australia ifit was today. That happened today because
we've just got a thousand all roundersready to go. Yeah, it's just
yeah, I just I think it'stime you Staunis has got probably a bigger
run than he arguably should have.There have been times where he's been excellent.
They've in times when he's been poor. There have been times when he's
been good enough. But this isthe point where if you're only good enough,

(49:07):
that's not that doesn't get you aseat on the plane, if you're
good enough, because there are afew guys that are good enough. And
I think it's time that you know, you've had long, a long long
time to show us what you're madeof, and some of it's been good,
some of it not so much.It's now time that if that's it,
If this is this is, withall the chances that you've got,
this is what you've shown us,that's not enough to say I'm going I'm

(49:29):
going out home. It's not enoughto go one more. There is no
crowd yelling on care there's not onemore song being called from the you know
as you're warping off the stage.That's It's like, cool, I was
good, I liked it. Nota bad band. You know. I
don't want to refund for my ticket, but I don't think i'd go and
see him again. That's what's thenext guy got, you know. That's
that's what I think about Marcus Daught. You're not unhappy with the return,

(49:53):
but it's not one that you're going, Man, I'm gonna go. I'm
gonna go watch his next show.You know, if he was you're seeing
comedian, You're like, oh,yeah, yeah, it was good.
I had a good time. I'mnot watching it. I don't want to
go and see him again, butI had a good time, and you
know or yeah, you know whatI mean. I'm raving it on now.
All right, after this, guys, we're going to have a chat
about the Pakistan Test series and everythinggoing along with what's going down with the

(50:17):
Test summer. First Test of thesummer is in the books and other than
the frankly not really a great crowd, it was a fantastic Test match in
terms of what was provided. Ilove the wicket. There was a lot
in it. There was always alot in it. The ball seemed to

(50:38):
always be chance of doing something,didn't matter how old the ball was.
It was a great spectacle to watchon TV in terms of what the bowl
has had to work with at thedisposal. Just wasn't a particularly close Test
match unfortunately, but first one's done. Yeah, look, I enjoyed it.
I do enjoy We wi get thesewickets that are providing a contest.

(51:01):
This is what we want in Testmatch cricket. We don't want to be
one way or the other. Thiswicket, if you analyze it over over
the time period that the game wasplayed in I think all things considered,
it was a pretty fair wicket.People were able to make runs if they
worked hard. There was something therefor the ballers and the whole way through,

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which is something that you can't sayis indicative of Australian wickets. A
lot of the time there's a lullwhere the koko bar doesn't do anything.
But do you know that Jamal,who was very impressive for Pakistan, proved
that if you just keep coming inand banging it in, working hard,
there's there's some rewards to be had. Yeah. Look he went for a
few but his work effort and hiseffort and at times his pace he was

(51:46):
a little bit sharper than what thanI think was showing up on the speed
gun as well, and the grabsix wickets in your in your debut Test,
I mean unfortunately, yeah, it'snot it's not a victory for you
to take over as well. ButHebbie was satisfied. I think that Pakistani
selectors will actually been relatively satisfied inspite of the result with the guys who

(52:07):
they brought him to do a joband they all performed pretty well. Yeah,
I think so as well. Surgejust are rattling it off. So
Warner obviously putting a lot of criticsincluding out including us, to bed with
a very impressive first innings hundred hundredwas absolutely just vintage Warner, wasn't it,

(52:30):
Which is absolutely brilliant to watch.And I was saying this to a
couple of friends of mine outside ofthe podcast. They said, you know,
I'm firmly in the boat that Warnershouldn't be given his farewell talk.
He should have been retired after thedouble hundred against South Africa. That's the
last that series of the last Testhe should have played. Shouldn't have gone
to India. I shouldn't have goneto England. He shouldn't be given his
farewell talk here. He doesn't havethe runs on the board. He's obviously

(52:52):
burnt up all of his good willwith the standpaper gate. Yet better players
than him have been have been toldto move on. He's form has been
supported for years. Why it hasbeen just sort of allowed to announce come
hell or high water on retiring atSydney your move selectors? Are you going
to drop me to or are yougonna let me retire on my own terms?

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Why that's been allowed? I don'tknow, But the sheer fact of
the matter is is it has beenallowed. He is getting a farewell tour,
whether it be fair or not.And as Australian fans we now just
need to marvel and enjoy what couldbe the last six times that we watch
David Warner back and David Warner loveand will hate him would be when you

(53:34):
include all three formats. Is thetop fifteen cricket of this country he's ever
produced to be able to do whathe's done in tests? One day is
anti twenty internationals. Yes, intest cricket he's a lot further down than
top fifteen. He's very much ahome track of his twenty six hundred.
He scored twenty of them at home. There's all sorts of caveats to Warner's

(53:57):
form, but for what is achievedin his career, he's a very special
player. And when Warner is infull flight, there are few better to
watch than David Warner. So wejust need to get over it. There
are four more times that David willpotentially there's a maximum of four more times
that this man who is going tocome out and represent his country in the
Balley Green, which is a dreamthat anyone, any Australian watching Krigid has

(54:20):
got and he's got to live it. And it's just okay, it's here.
It's happening. He's playing in Sydney, whether he should have got to
or not, whether or not youlike me, you go. We're going
to tell Ian Healy he can't haveone more to play in front of the
Gabba before Gilly gets there, andsome of those other big guns never got
their farewell tours. Irrelevant, it'shappening. Let's just enjoy it for what

(54:42):
it is. And you know Warneris cashing in from that World Cup,
you know, form that he foundand that was a really really good innings
played with plenty of daring, plentyof ingenuity, plenty of effort, you
know, all of that stuff that'smade David Warner such a great player to
watch over the years. He's broughtit here and he delivered. Yeah.
I was sitting there and it's it'sa it's a rare thing that you feel

(55:07):
mixed emotions about an Australian bats aremaking a really really good hundred. Obviously
you're delighted for the country and he'sdoing well for the team and everything like
that, but I'm very much againstthe treatment that he's been that he's been
given this and let's face it,it's preferential treatment. Let's just say what

(55:30):
it is. It's preferential treatment.He's one of the boys boys, and
there's all sorts of conspiracies. Hegets his farewell tool because he knows too
much. And you know, ifI was captain my club team and you
said to me, mate, it'smy last year of cricket this year,
end of the season, I'm done. I'll be picking you every game.

(55:50):
You'd play the rest of the season, even if I had twenty blokes available,
who were all you be getting arun at your last year, But
I played club cricket in the CentralWest when New South Wales. You can't
take that same level of comradeship tothe national level. But it's happened.
And you know, all we canask for is if we're going to be

(56:12):
giving a spot that we that alot of people determine is undeserving, at
least go out and earn it.And Warner did that. He was well
truly did that. It was itwas brilliant. It was a one blot,
which says Vincage David warned you toturn it back to top six or
seven years to when he was athis absolute vintage peek. And it wasn't
selfish. He went out and playedthat ball to get the game off to

(56:34):
a flying start that has made himsuch an invaluable commodity of the team for
so long. It wasn't a allright, well it's my last six times.
I'm just going to go and lockit up and back for myself and
make sure I get a score onmy my farewell tour. He went out
and quite easily could have been knockedover for nothing. Badding the way that
he normally does and it's paid off. And you know, when it pays

(56:54):
off, we get off to agreat start and we dominate the game and
it doesn't where you know, sendingout Lavishane and Smith a bit earlier in
the like, but this time Ipaid off. And so he's doing these
jobs. He's doing what he wasin the team to do and he did
it well this time. So we'rewell done to him. And we've got
to remember too, he is anopening batsman in Perth and our opens put

(57:15):
on one hundred and twenty six.That is that's more than doing your job
as an opener and go one hitthe score that he got. Yeah,
congratulations to him. Hopefully you canget a couple more before you finish.
Mitchell Marsh obviously won the race,which I didn't really think it was much
of a race to be honest,for the number six spot as of the
all rounder. And as I saidearlier in the podcast, what like what

(57:38):
a turnaround it is? It wasjust an absolutely phenomenal to I'm convinced that
Mitchell Marsh is one of the aliensfrom space jam and he's just stolen the
talent from other cricketers. Well,there's something. There's something clearly going.
Just the sheer his career has takensince that winter tour to the West Indies

(58:01):
has been this is the format thathe has been just he's been bad at
It's not it doesn't mean he's beenbad. He's a he was a bad
Test cricket player. And yeah,we said earlier he's rattled off two hundred
or one hundred and three or fourfifties in his last sixty eggs and and
got and got the wicked of Barbara'sarm as well, and doing and doing

(58:22):
it at a at a strike ratewhich is just ridiculous, really good Test
cricket. The guy's scoring it.Like imagine, imagine we get a game
where Warner and Head and March allfire. You know, who cares about
basball? We just played normal cricketand where we're already doing that. That's

(58:43):
well, I didn't I didn't likeHeads dismissal that very much. Reminded me
of the border Gavasco through for afew years ago, when you get himself
to thirty or forty and then justflay one the deep third man and he's
sitting there going god, this guyis such a hack. But you get
done on the big jobs, andlike Trav just does trad things. I
mean, I think we've all cometo except that he's going to come out

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and he's going to play a certainway. He doesn't let us down.
I mean, and that he's gotforty or fifty three balls with half a
dozen boundaries. That takes the momentumaway from the bowling team. You know,
you might have just got a wicketand he comes out and just goes
nah bang bang bang bang, andall of a sudden, the momentum that
you've had from taking that wicket hasjust been stolen right away from you.

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The one person who was interested tosee and I was glad to see him
it a few runs, was AlexCarey. He actually looked did he get
a seed? Yeah? Over?Yeah, he actually if you look back
through his career, he gets he'sgot a habit of getting pretty impressive balls
to him over. He's a jackof magnet old keV. Yeah. But
yeah, I thought he battered brotherwell and he's wicket keeping first. Yeah.

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We wanlled a bit towards the endof that day when Marshall Carey came
in. We weren't we We almostsquandered what was an amazing start. Pakistan
had fought themselves back into the game. I remember putting a group post upon
the group chat going Pakistan are awfulbecause their first session was terrible. Their
line and lengths were all over theplace. They're bowling four balls every other

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ball. They were fielding like theywere afraid of the ball. But they
after the lunch black they really railed. They were still bowling four balls,
but the percentage to wicket taking ballsto four balls and even up a bit
like they bowled some very very likethey were using the wicket well, and
they bowlt some very very impressive deliveriesthat were unlucky to not have jagged more

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wickets. But yeah, that firstthat first hour or so really hurt them
and they never really wrestled back thedamage that had caused. I think Michael
Vaughan said it, and it wasa very it was a there was a
bit of a Haymaker point that hemade is he goes with the against the
Australian attack, their bowling attack,and I don't see Pakistan playing any better.

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They gave up a bit of alead in the first session, but
claud it all back They've bowled verywell. They've executed their lines and length
pretty well. Their their reserve spinneris bold well without being penetrating. You
know, they've batted as well asyou could expect for a team that hasn't
played a lot on these shores,and they're two hundred and fifty runs behind,

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which I think is going to bevery indicative of this series. I
think this Pakistan team is going toscrap. I think they're when given the
opportunity, they're going to bowl well, you know, as you could expect
from a side that's not particularly experienced. They're probably there's going to be patches
where you can score runs off them. But I think he was right.
I think that team played as wellas it could play. Maybe left a

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few runs in the sheds in thefirst innings, ye, not a heap
of runs like that. My criticismis that if you take Barbarasami out of
that team, who is the guywho was going to mean? I know,
a Della Shafik, a really goodrecord and everything like that, but
who was the first This is thefirst game he's played outside of the subcontinent,

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so you can't expect miracles. AndI think that's probably a pretty fair
assessment. They played as well asthey possibly could under the circumstances, but
they're playing runs behind that. You'replaying against a pretty I mean, this
Australian team. At the moment wecan you know, we're right in the
middle of it. So we needto get some perspective on it. But

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when we look back on this groupof players and what they've achieved in the
last couple of years and in particularthis year, this year's just been ridiculous.
You look back over over a periodof time where we've been a wonderful
team, we really have. We'vebeen an excellent cricket team. And I'm
hoping that, you know, likeI said, five or teen years will

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give us a bit more perspective whena lot of these guys have finished their
careers and the new the new guardscoming through as a comparison. But this
is a very, very finest train. Cricket yields itself to the quartet.
I can't think of when you're reallygoing to put yourself down to it,
name a quartet like a better bowlin quartet, they've all got two hundred

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and fifty plus wickets playing together,you know. Nathan Lyon has brought up
his five hundred wicket in this game, so he's you know, only the
third Australian to breach that mark.There's a tongue in sheet talk about does
he catch Warning and then you knowCummins worked it out that he reckons that.
There's probably another maybe four or fiveyears left in Nathan Lyne, and

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you know, with the fitness thathe's being, he hasn't been damaged by
injuries too much, with the exceptionof that car. If he's been another
four or five years in and he'splaying ten or Tests a year, you
know, taken well, don't takefour Test, four or five Test wickets
a Test, which is not beyondthe realms of possibility for Nathan Lyon.
We taken say, you know,fifty fifty Test matches he needed to play,

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he need to take four wickets aTest match, wouldn't he? Yeah,
so two hundred wickets they get himto, which is you know,
that's not outrageous for Lyne to catchShane Warn. I mean it takes him
to it like he'd be what he'dbe in his forties, you know,
comfortably by that point. But youknow he's fitness holds that's well, I

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think it's a stretch. I'm notsaying that it's going to happen book it
in, but when you're looking atit logically speaking, there's no reason why
I can't and that the form iscurrently going and he's never been bowling better,
he's fit enough, there's every there'sno one really banging the door down
to to take his Test spot off, even if there was. I mean,

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you can bang as much as yourlife. But the guy's und Test
wickets and he's he's become such anintegral part of the attack, hasn't he.
He really is becoming a go toguy over the last few years in
particular. I remember we used tohave a bit of a criticism was that
he wouldn't bowl less. But whenyou say that he could be the most

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important spinner in world cricket right now. But in relation to the value to
his team, yeah, yeah,prob And I think it's comfortably Raby Ashwin
is a better off spinner than Nathan. I think Rabby Ashwan is just an
absolute marvel. And I don't know, I do not know who he's upset

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because he should have beaten Line tofive hundred wickets fairly comfortably because he had
handle lead for a while. Butnow I just don't pick him, and
I mean, like to his ownteam, Like this is a guy that
on the face of the earth rightnow, he is the best off spinner
alive. No one will be ableto bow off spinner as well as raby

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Ashwan on the face of the planet. But doesn't get gig, doesn't get
a gig playing for India when heshould be. Nathan Lyon is a walk
up star in Australia, England,ath Africa, India. Wherever he goes,
Nathan Lion goes there and does ajob. So I think he is
comfortably the most important spinner in theworld. And the fact that he is,

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the fact that like off spinners thetime here Litheran you know, talked
about being the greatest off spinner everis pedestrian. He's not even podestrian.
He's flat out bad in Australia,like he averages seventy it's awful. He's
awful over here. And Nathan Lionballs off spin five hundred wickets. His
off spin stuff is pretty easy.Don't know what you're winded about. Yeah,

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And when we can start going backinto Delvin deep into when we talk
about Mirror Lufferin, I prefer tosee my off spinner has actually being bolved
from the front of the hand andrather over the top behind somebody's ear.
So whatever you your opinion of MirrorLufferin is, it was more just the

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fact that if you go anywhere elsein the world, Mirror Lutheran. Yeah,
I'm just completely taking out the chuckingdebate. What it is is he's
a guy that averages in the lowtinies bowling off spin. He's destroyed if
he's destroyed teams basically wherever he's gone. But he averages fifty fifty more in
Australia fifty, Like an average offifty is bad. And that is the

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difference between what he is bowling andwhat he is bowling in Australia. Like,
what if you're that good at offspinner and you just cannot hack it
in Australia. What does it sayabout Nathan Lyon, who has taken five
hundred wickets predominantly playing in Australia.That is just it's he's cracked the code
bowling off spin in Australia. Whateverit is, like, he's not your
atypical off spinner, but it worksfor him. And you know who can

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argue in the rule. I wouldactually, I would actually argue that he
is your atypical off spinner because ifyou look at what Nathan Lywan actually does,
and go and pull out a coachingtextbook, okay, and just look
at that what it says, andthen have a look at what Nathan Lyin
does. That's textbook. That's perfectlytextbook. Right. You're hitting the ball
with a lot of revs in orderto make it curve in the end,

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because obviously the physics of it andall, so that's where the drift comes
from. Drift doesn't come from thebreeze. The breeze will help you to
drift it, but you have toplace the amount of revs on the ball
in the correct way to enable theball the physics of the ball to allow
to drift. Nathan Lyon does itwith tea and then he ends in such

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an area that you must play him. Nine times out of ten. You
very rarely get to just let NathanLyon go. That is textbook off spinning.
It's just textbook. I think I'vestill got my Rothman's coaching Manuala Home.
That's how old manual is. Bythe way, Rothman sponsored and for
those who don't know Rothman's with cigaretteand brands, that's not a story.

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But yeah, when I did mycoach instativity, and that's going back thirty
years, that is how you bowloff spin exactly what Nathan Lyne does.
One thing for certain is it's goingto be an interesting couple of years to
see if if the passion still there, if the body holds out, and
it's certainly going to be quite afinish if if it ever does come to

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eventuate that we're coming through our homesummer and Nathan Lyon is looking at chasing
down the King. It's going tobe some big ticket watching right there.
So moving forward the series, obviouslywe're not going to get back together until
after probably after the Sydney Test.I would imagine I don't know about our
work schedule, whether or not wecan get a chance to have another road
trip, but i'd say that thenext time we're speaking there, so All

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is actually going to talk to youabout that. Yeah, we'll have to
work trip's. So we're moving forwardfrom here, and obviously so we've got
I think it's going to be businessas usual. I think Cummins has come
out and said that injuries aside,they're not going to pick anybody else.
The bowling cartel is going to sticktogether, so that that'll be the aim.
I can't say the bad line upchanging. You know Labashane Smith are

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all entrenched. You know Kwaja andWarner and Trench. Well, we've everyone's
going to get there. Carey he'sgot some runs on the boards. I
think, yeah, it's Australia's justgoing to just charge one through to Sydney.
I'm not sure where Pakistan goes fromhere. There was a lot to
like about their bowlers. I thoughtthey ran and they charged hard all day.
I thought Afridi looked underdone. Brilliantat times, but underdone. I

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personally think we're looking at an evolutionof shipping Shara Fredi from that guy who
burst onto the scene and everybody's sayinghe's the next big thing. Then he's
had that bit of a lal,he's had a couple of injuries. I'm
looking at a very smarter, moremature guy who's has come out here.
Yes he didn't have great success,and he does, but I'm very underdone.

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It looks like he really does needa couple more games to fine tune.
But the basics of what he doesare very much starting their click back
together. And he had some verybrilliant spells, but then he also had
some spells that were a bit theylet not so much average, but they
just they just let the game wandera bit, like they're just for the

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guy that you know, you're theonly person that has had a shred of
bowling experience in the fast bowling cartel. You wanted a little bit more more
dynamic, I suppose out of wheneverhe gets the ball, you want him
to be the guy that something's alwayshappening when he gets whether it be a
good thing or a bad thing,you want something happening. And there were
just a few spells where yeah therewas stuff happening, good stuff. That
shortball spell the smith was excellent.You know, first up, I thought

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he was a little way would butevery now and then you'd be bowling a
ball would make you go, wow, there's no doubt in the guy's class.
But then there were just a fewwhere just yeah, it was just
a spell when nothing happened. AndI think that's the big thing with this
Pakistan bowling on out here and justnot quite get it right. And we

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look at Rabada last year was average. Remember when we when the Test match
and we're just sitting there and going, what is this guy doing? Buy
a large and robart is one ofthe best fast bowlers of this generation.
Absolutely with no shred of a loyalstraight walk straight into any World eleven that
you're basically going to pick. I'dput him behind Covens. That's the only

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person playing right now that I wouldpick as a fast bowler ahead of Kageza
at Barta and he was and hewasn't good and he's been over here before
and killed it. So yeah,you can have you know, met Ish
games, and I don't think itwas a met Ish game. I just
think that considering responsibility on his shoulders, you would have liked that. Again,
he's been undone with injury. Butyeah, I like what I saw

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out of the Pakistan bowlers were veryimpressive. I actually thought, would they
need to find something with the bat? And I think that, well they
get anything to find with the bates c G. I think is one
that they can be an interesting game. That'll be an interesting one because it's
a lot slower. There's not thatextreme bounce that Pakistan batter should find themselves

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more at home. But they've gotat it right Melbourne to keep the series
alive heading into Sydney. I thinkSydney is where some of these guys could
cash in and really get scored big. But Melbourne's been reinvigorated since that twenty
twenty one series and it's a bitlivelier and you know, quite easily with
the sideways movement the MCG has beengetting over the last few summers, you
know, the fast bowling cartel quiteeasily blow them out of the water again.

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And they're heading into Sydney to kneeldown and then we don't care at
all how many runs you score.Exactly my just a last point on a
fruity. I think he really missesnot having a one guy at least like
probably the same shark of express pacein the team with him. Yeah,

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he lost he bowl on. Ithink he's going to be if he can
get himself fit. He's a kid. He's a kid, and he bowls
terrifyingly fast. I would get youknow, it's a privilege to actually be
able to watch cricket all around theworld these days with the technology and everything
we've got, and I've seen thisguy. This kid just scare people man

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on these dead Akistani wickeds and he'sby one hundred and forty five hundred and
fifty k's plus all the time.He's a big loss. He was.
He brought over way too early thelast talk for Pakistan and was a bit
of a sacrificial lamb. I thought, actually it was a bit of a
very poorly handled and cost he madehis months in his career. Probably so

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the fact that they don't have thatguy of the totally express pace the other
guys like they were all around aboutone hundred and thirty hundred and thirty five
was his name. Sa Pea bowlsare very heavy ball. I thought he
was very impressive and seemed to bequicker than what was actually shown on the
speed gun. The other guy goodskills, beautiful scene position, but not

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quite the pace to bally success.And that's where I'm a little concerned that
the flip side of that is,you know, especially at Sydney, do
Pakistan have enough penetration like the deckover in Perth certainly helped, but do
they have enough penetration where it's notas lively as as the Office Stadium wicket,

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you know, obviously with the extrapace and bounce that you know,
start comings and all that can comeup with. We're not too concerned.
But you know, he started offhis spells in the high one twenties and
built up to you know, maybeone thirty five and getting a little bit
and getting a little bit of sidewaysmovement and look good at times. But
is he going to get that movementat Melbourne? Is he going to get

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it at Sydney where the wickets aren'tgoing to be quite as as helpful as
the fast ball. I think thewicket in Melbourne will be relative risk responsive
for sideways movement. Certainly not thesame Sydney. It just seemed to becoming
a bit of a belonge. Really, isn't that We're not really hidden much
happening in there at all these days? Is very little for the fast balls

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to start off with. It doesn'tseem to be taking excessive amounts of spin,
and certainly the Ryan's figures in Sydneyare awful comes to his Test record,
So yeah, it's not it's notthe spinner's track that I'm not sure,
which makes that pick glass to heragainst South Africa even stranger. But
yeah, I wanted a bit ofchat actually about the Perth wicket. I've
seen a bit of criticism about itbeing per pension potentially too dangerous. Really,

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you know, you know, probablyFox Sports just beating the drum because
they've gottenning better to talk about.But of course I really, I just
I couldn't help but comment on itbecause it was they found the picture they
used to highlight a story about wasthe Perth wicket too dangerous? Was So
it was a side on shot ofa ball rearing up and coming up past

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Mitchell Marsh's helmet, and they uselike the ball track of thing to show
how fast it was. And soMitchell Marsh was a meter and a half
down the wicket at the point atthe time when the ball went past him,
so he'd come forward and so they'vebanged it in short and it's whizzing
past his head. And that wasthe picture that they used to highlight is
the wicket too dangerous? And it'slike no one and maybe on one hand

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I could count players that have genuinelycan play the short ball. Almost everyone
to a te plays a short ballnow by pressing onto the front foot and
hands through the ball. And thenyeah, so Mitch marsh played almost all
of his short balls off the frontfoot. Yeah, but when you when
you enjoined a man like back inthe seventies and eighties, when you didn't

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have helmets, you would play playedoff the back foot. And you know,
there were a few that there wasinconsistent bounce. But I think that
I would call dangerous. And andfor that picture to be used as the
the is the pitch dangerous, Ijust thought was absolutely hilarious. You're picking
a guy that has come charging downwith short ball. It was you know,

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if you played the ball properly,he probably either lets that go because
it goes whizzing over his head,or he he launches it into the stand
foot, or he plays off theback foot and plays a hook or pull
shot, or cuts it even upand over the up and cover a point.
Son forbid, you would play anormal attacking shot that was short ball.
Yeah. That's the addition of likethe shorter boundaries, bigger bats,

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more protective equipment, limiting the amountof bowlers bounces bowler's bowl has actually deteriorated
players' ability to play the short orwell, oh it has for sure.
And and I just and that wasjust we're talking about probably one of the
best Test wickets that I've seen ina while in terms of you know,
there was enough there for spin,water and marsh and and you know even

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they open and Shaffik and proved thatif you you know, worked hard,
there were runs out there. Youknow, they battered for ages ages even
scored many runs, but they wentout there for eight. So you could
you could hang around out there ifyou're prepared to you could capitalize, if
you were prepared to be brave likeWarner and Mark like there and Kawhaj you
got a fifty in the second.There were runs there. The ball did

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something all day, doesn't matter howold it was, and Lion got enough
purchase there to be be very effectivein that in that game. I think
that was a brilliant wicket, especiallyconsidering too that it was it is definitely
a hard, fast, bouncy wicketand everyone every that's what you want that
it was a brilliant Test wig becauseeveryone got to go. The batsman can

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score runs if they prepare to dothe work, if the bowl was prepared
to do the work, and runninga bowl hard you could get rewarded for
it. And then you know NathanLyon obviously hard with spinners because Pakistan didn't
really have a genuine but line showedthat there was enough there that he is
a spinner, was able to usingbounce or you know, the drift or
bitter sides and could get stuff.I think it was an absolutely brilliant wicket

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and it was difficult at times tobat, which is what you want.
It's Test cricket. It's not Ttwenty cricket. It's not one day cricket
where they are ideas to be hittinginto over the fences or to the fence
and being a bit of a battingparade. It's supposed to be difficult at
times. It's supposed to be allright, it's not easy. You can't
just go and score runs at will. What are you going to do about

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it? And the characters, yourtechnique and what your intestinal fortitude like,
mate, This is the whole thing. This is why we love Test cricket
because bring character out of people.You get to see what they're made of,
you know, not just as cricketers, but usually as people too.
If you're going to turn it upout there, then you're probably going to
turn it up fairly easy somewhere elseas well. I think it was.

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I think it's one of the bestwickets that we've seen in this country for
a long time. It brought everybodyinto the game. If you and like
this idea that because a wicket movesaround and it's somehow a bad wicket,
it's not. Batsmen who are worththeir salt will be able to play on
wickets where the ball moves around becauseyou have a good technique and that's where

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you see. So it does acricketer, you have a good technique and
you adapt to the conditions that arepresented to you. So it clearly didn't
favor any one skill set. No, I don't think it did that.
You could score runs on it ifyou needed to. There was pace and
bounce to use, and sideways movementto use and spend, and then spinners
can consistency. The bounce could bea little inconsistent at times, but there

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there was there were cracks in thewicket, which is why that that occurred.
I think it was a brilliant wicketand any criticism of what that curator
did is completely unfounded and he's donea phenomenal job. It should This is
this is what everywhere in the worldshould be aspiring to. Obviously, not
to the same levels of pace andbounce, you're never going to get that
neutral anchor and in New York placeslike that. But what they provided was

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a way for every every skill setof the of the game to be able
to contribute. And that's what allwickets in the world should do. But
either in England, where obviously theball is going to seem around a lot
more, it's not going to beas quick, but so you've got to
have your you know, your techniqueis going to be challenged from sideways movement,

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whether it be in the subcontinent wherethe ball is going to group and
turn a lot earlier. But atsome point those English wickets should be breaking
up and allowing spin to come intothe game. And early on in an
Indian or a subcontinent Test match,there should be the very least decent carry
that you know, if you preparedto bang the ball and you might get
something out. It's just we couldgo down this rabbit hole, but it's

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probably where you were. I'm goingto wrap this up, so I'm just
going to again going to call forsome predictions and then a little bit of
criticism of some of the stories goingaround. We're obviously only looking at an
open a shortage sometime very soon atmost four innings time. Who have you
got locked in or do you havesomeone locked in coming into replace David Caaron

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Bancroft if anybody is anybody in firstclass cricket in this country deserves and shot
at Test cricket with the numbers thathe's produced in the last three years as
Camaron Bancroft. Let's have a littlebit very briefly at who we've tried previously.
Marcus Harris because getting like he's gotphotos of somebody I'm telling you now,

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because he doesn't deserve another chance.Renshaw is a worby that is a
worthy replacement, but he's in secondplace to leave behind Bangkroft. Yeah,
what do you make of all thestories going around where there've been I've seen
three suggestions for the potential replacement Opener, well four actually, but one of
them has been Kiwa washed by theplayer himself. But I've seen three names

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thrown up out there as potential placements. Warner who are currently in the squad,
first being Cameron Green, the secondbeing Manus Lavorshane, the third being
Mitchell Marsh. Why do we needto do any of it? All I
can say is that they're trying tofind a way to get Cameron Green and
Mitchell Marsh into the same side coolAnd the only one that I would even

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they can briefly briefly entertained would bemoving Lavishane to open so Cam Green could
bat at four and everyone shuffles upone Smith three, Green four, Head
five Mars six. Smith doesn't wanta bat three. Well, I'm talking
about entertaining, not saying we shoulddo it, but that would be I
wouldn't. I don't know what youcould back Green at three us bose.

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I think he's a natural four.Like I've said, I've said it a
dozen times that on the podcast,that I think Green would be is the
natural success of the Sieve Smith.He should be aimed. We should be
looking at making him as Jaques Challousin the sense that he's a guy that
we want to average between forty andfifty while bowling a bit if we need
him to. And then what thatdoes is allows you to play a Mitch

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Marsh. You can give you someovers or an Aaron Hardy or a Matt
Short if we're going to over toIndia or somewhere like that. It gives
you that freedom to be able toplay in extra players. But even said
that would be a distant That'd bea distant third. I think with you
Bancrofts verse Ranshaw's second, and thenthe next option I would pick would be

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Labichet moving up to accommodate a consideringhe actually the sub continent, that there
might be some ridiculous They talked aboutTravis Head. Travis Headers. That was
the fourth one. He said,I'm not opening about chance he is.
I could potentially get on board withhim being a specialist opener in the sub

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continent because I think I still thinkTravis Head's weakness to spin, especially in
spinning conditions, he hasn't fixed.And I think getting him in early to
really go hard when the ball isnew, wh where any sort of pace
and bounce will be extracted to bewith that new ball, he proved it
could work. I mean, hewasn't as bad against spin as I thought
he was going to be, soI don't necessarily think there, but I

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think Travis Head like most players likestarting up against pace, So there's ever
going to be pace, it'll beearly. So I wouldn't necessarily hate the
plan that Travior's head bats five everin the world except Sri Lanka and India
and Bangal thereesh if we go youknow when and if we go back over
there. But yeah, it certainlywouldn't be looking at putting in their full

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time. He doesn't want to gothere full time. I think it's a
fool there, to be honest,And I really don't like the fact that
fox Worts is out here like weshould be. This is the perfect opportunity
to be getting people interested in theSheffield Shield, if nothing else, if
the wasted opportunity to be blooding someonenew for this farewell tour for warn and
these are the two things that couldhave been happening. You could have been

(01:26:33):
just writing a thousand stories about theSheffield Shield, about the race for the
next opener, and having Bancroft vHarris b Renshaw, be Henry Hunt,
whoever it might be stories and reallyjust having everyone talking about, you know,
how great the Shield is, whata great competition Sheffield she is going
on? Okay, good Cameron Bancroftlook at a good matt Ren and really

(01:26:55):
pumping up and getting just the joe. Nobody is interested in Sheffield Shield because
we want to find out who's next. We know Warner has done in Sydney,
who's going to be the opener?Come when the West Indies come out,
you know, and people who don'tfollow cricket outside of Big Bash or
Test cricket get them interested in watchingdomestic cricket. But instead what four warts
have done. We've spent half asummer talking about which all rounder are you

(01:27:17):
going to plug inno the opener andjust completely just kui wash, Like what's
the point of a first class domesticsystem if you can be bloody awesome at
it and just get picked. Wehave a guy that has never played in
your specialist position picked ahead of you. Like, let's not get around.
Opener is a specialist position. Soif you're going to be a specialist first

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class opener, but you're not coolenough, so you go and pick the
young gun all rounder who has neveropened first class cricket before, because we
just want to He's a good blokeand we want to have him in the
team somehow, Like what is thepoint, why would you even bother being
a first class cricketer, then youjust be You just go around and you
go and earn shit loads of moneyplaying in franchise cricket hoping to get a

(01:28:01):
one day yef you maybe get intothe team that way. What would be
the point of slugging it? Whatwould you be a guy like Henry Hunt?
Why would you be a guy likeCameron Bancroft and Matt Renshaw that puts
value on his wicket and doesn't playramps and switch hits and looked at everything
to everyone would be everyone would betrying to be Tim David if we just
did that, Like, what isthe point of being the next you know,

(01:28:24):
Osmond Kwaja or the next Steve Smithor the you know, you know
what I mean? Like, Butthat's I mean. The thing is what
we're really bitching about here is selectionpolicy and selection of philosophy. Whereas common
sense doesn't seem to come into it. Well at the moment, the selectors
haven't sort of like they've entertained thatthought whethern't they're going down that they've acknowledged
that as a question being posed tothem, but it hasn't sort of looked

(01:28:45):
like there's been a definite sort ofone way or the other. It's going
to be like they're like Ricky Pontingis out there going you guys are crazy.
You need to pick Cameron Bancroft,Like the guy has been head and
shoulders above everyone else in Sheffield Shieldsfor two and a half years, two
and a half seasons. He hasbeen the best any batsman period in Sheffield
shield Marcus Harris has been probably alittle better than him over in and Ranshaw
have been a little bit than himover in county cricket, but here in

(01:29:09):
Australia, Bancroft had the run ofthem, run of them over for probably
two and a half seasons. Andif you're not going to pick him now,
then what is the point, Likewhy would you bother being a traditional
first a red ball over that Ifthat's the way they're going to I would
be like, you know, NathanHoratz had that thing when he was dropped

(01:29:30):
from the Australian side. He soldall of his trick gek because he wouldn't
need it anymore. I'd almost dothat if asked Cameron Bancroft or Redshaw or
Marcus Harris or something like that,versus like if you go pick Mitchell Marsh
to open the batting or you pickCameron Green to open the batting, what
is the boy to me being anopener for my state? Like why would
I bother? Exactly? But anyway, those questions need to be posed,

(01:29:54):
even the answers blatantly obvious. Yeah, it's got a big Bancroft. It
has to be Bancroft, and Bancroftmight only be a short term thing.
There might be you know, Pokowski, Like his name has been thrown around
too. He hasn't done any goodsince his comeback, but that might change
bit of consistency getting there. Therecould be a new young like Bancroft's thirty
one more board of picking him.There's not like he is the best of

(01:30:15):
what's left. You can still gethalf a decade, you know, we'll
near enough to half a decade outof Bancroft if you're lucky. He's twenty
five thirty tests out of him atthat age. And same as we did
with Chris Rodgers, Cuss Cussy cameout of the team, you know,
at the age of thirty thirty.Like it's not unhurtly like he is the
best that we've got. If there'sa young kid coming up like Sam Constance
from New South Wales gets a lotof chatter as being like the next big

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thing, and he's recently got afirst class debut and you know in the
struggling New South Wales side, buthe's got a lot of Sydney grade runs
behind him. He could end upbeing you know, three or four years
and his mid twenties. Being thatguy three or four years is perfect.
And you've got thirty one year oldopener, he goes out does his stuff.
He's thirty four thirty five on theWayne. Why as this wonder kid
comes through, like, there's noreason to not give it to Bancroft now.

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And if you're real, if yourreal premise is I want to get
Cameron Green back in the side,and I can completely sympathize that point of
view. I think you can aswell. Cameron Green is a phenomenal cricketer.
His job at the moment it isto do his job better than Mitch
Marsh. Yeah, that's it.That's he is the all rounder of the
side. If he doesn't want tobe the around the side wants to be

(01:31:25):
a bat, then he needs togo and score a lot of runs because
you've got Will Marnus is on alittle bit of a way in at the
moment, but that's it. He'sgot to go. And if you want
to get back in the side asa bat, like he's not an opening
bat, he's a middle order backgo and score runs. But at the
moment, like you lost your spot, you're a little bit inconsistent. Will
not enough to be dropped. Yougot hurt, Marsh came in, killed

(01:31:45):
it Marsh's spot. How do youget ahead? How do you get ahead
of Mitch Marsh? That's Cameron Green'smission now, not how do I maneuver
myself to get to fill David Warner'sspot? How do I get Mitch ma
spot back? And yeah, andthat's what it needs to be. We
tried that in the ashes. Wetried playing them both and it didn't work.

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It's okay, he's twenty three yearsold. War got dropped. Smith
got dropped, Ponting got dropped,Bradman got dropped. It won't be the
end of Cameron Green. He willbe back. It is fine. We
can afford to spend two, three, four, years and get Cameron green
Back as a twenty six, twentyseven year old right and becoming into the

(01:32:31):
peak of his powers. It's fine, don't freak out. You don't have
to put a square peg in around hole because the round peg is thirty
one and the square peg is reallyreally cool looking at twenty three. Like,
wait until the square peg needs tobe used. That's it. Anyway,

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it is what it is, manLike I said, it's inconsistency in
selection. And you know, I'mnot sure how much good this does for
these guys with all this speculation either. And it's quite frankly, it's needless
chatter. It really is needless chatter. Yeah, it's it's a journalist at

(01:33:15):
Fox Sports trying to justify their paycheckand when they need to be churning out,
you know, news every hour onthe hour, every day for three
hundred and sixty five days a year. We'll just go and throw out you
just we'll just throw spaghetti at thewall and see what sticks. We'll make.
We'll make stuff up, that's whatwe'll do. We'll make stuff up.
Sources, sources close to the team. Yes, well, how that

(01:33:36):
drunk guy that I saw that wasstanding outside the SCG, so geographically speaking,
he was close to the team.It's all about location, isn't it.
He was sitting in Bay thirteen atthe MCG. He was literally within
yelling distance of Fine Legs, sohe was close to the team. He
suggested that yeah, it's I said, it is what it is. There

(01:34:00):
needs something to talk about. It'sjust it's really frustrating from a and thankfully
I haven't heard too much from commonsfrom McDonald giving much air to these these
these claims, but it was justreally disappointing. This could be a really
great way in a test series thatreally isn't offering a lot in interest,
Like no one really cares. We'regoing to flog Pakistan, We're going to

(01:34:21):
folog the West Indies like that's that'sthe form of I'd say they're going to
be trounces. If they're not trounces, that will be amazing. But realistically,
are the chances of us being challengedon this on this summer are negligible.
What a great opportunity in an environmentwhere not where every single article doesn't

(01:34:42):
have to be about test cricket,because let's face it, there aren't a
lot of stories about Test cricket.The biggest one is who's going to be
our opener? And you could havejust flooded, flooded social media with all
these really positive stories about Sheffield Shield. But no, we're going to take
the easy option and just make uprubbish nonsense and talk about how you know

(01:35:04):
which all around are we're going tofit in, knowing quite well that it's
probably going to get a lot ofengagement from people like us going what absolute
nonsense? Why the hell would youdo this? Like they're putting out stories
to be passionately debunked just so youget people interacting with them. And that's
what's frustrating. And it's just thatit's the entire news cycle globally now as

(01:35:24):
is anyway. But so I'm dealvingin in a rabbit hole. Whe should
we talk about Ristmasy stuff and holidaystuff? So that'll wrap us up for
this one. We're going to getall set. We've got big Bash to
watch, We've got the Boxing Daytest coming up. We should do a
review first episodes back of our superCoach teams, or maybe even'll do a
video. I want do a littlevideo later on I think about our super
Coach teams get some more meat contentgoing out there there. We think,

(01:35:46):
so we we've got perfect heads foryeah, perfect Yeah, Well, no
one can plain. We didn't havetoo many complaints coming in for our road
trip videos. No one was like, oh my god, seven though we
did look fairly disheveled by the endof the day. I must admit,
yeah, yes, Bearbi's working soon. Anyway, Guys, we hope you

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enjoy your holidays as much as weare going through with all the cricket that
is going to be played. Thatit's the perfect time of the year,
summer Australia cricket. What more wouldyou want, Paul, That's going to
be us for twenty twenty three.Twenty four promises to be just as exciting
with cricket. We've got more tests, we've got a new opener, we've
got a World Cup, We've gotall sorts of goodies coming this way.

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