Episode 173 - Frank Worrell Trophy kicks off

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sill up. Hello everyone, andwelcome back to another episode of Two Slips

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and a Gully. I am joinedtonight by Aaron. How are you,
Aaron? I'm doing well. FansMaine, how are you? I am
excellent. It was the day oneof another test match, So I'm always
happy when there's Test match triggered on. That makes things very very exciting.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, contraryopinion. Yeah, we'll have a slightly

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contrary opinion on that one. Iam I tune in very keen to see,
well, I'm very very keen tosee how well Chanda, Paul and
Brathway got off to a start today. And yeah, I basically I did.
To be fair, I do havea pretty hefty university assignment and I'm
in the middle of so my attentionwas pretty much on that all day.

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But from the reports a little bitof a scene, I don't think I
missed much. Well, we've gotplenty to talk about. Obviously, we're
going to talk about the West IndianAustralia series of Frank World Trophy and talk
about everything that's happened so far.On day one, we're also going to
chat about the big batch. Theseason is finished, where or just about
finish. The final game, whichbears no relevance on the finals at all,

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is being played tonight as we aswe speak, so we'll have a
chat about how the tournament's gone,what the final is going to look like,
and then obviously we'll jump in andI'll have a talk about everything to
do with the Frank World Trophy.So lots of cricket going on in Australia,
I'm a little bit going on aroundthe world as well. I mean,
he's one of those brilliant sports whereit doesn't matter where you turn,
there's always something happening. Yeah.I mean, if you just want to

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turn on and watch some cricket forthe sake of watching some guys with a
whacker ball, cool, you're goingto have You're going to have a bonanza
over the next couple of months.We've got bigger fish to fry if hink.
Oh well, there's plenty plenty goingon this Test series. But then
we've also got ramping up towards yetanother World Cup. It's almost becoming trivial

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to just how many of them wehave. But yeah, I look,
I don't mind. I don't mindthat the T twenty World Cups come around
every two years because it's that sortof format, you know what I mean,
you want and it evolves so quickly, and things change so quickly,
players come and go so quickly withinthe within the T twenty world that I
don't think it hurts to have theset twenty World Cups every two years.

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I'd like to see the fifty overWorld Cup stay at four years. I
believe that's its tradition, and youcan build a cycle of players around that,
building up to a World Cup likea World Cup cycles. But yeah,
yeah, there's plenty of cricket goingon all around the world at the
moment. All right, we'll getstuck into it straight after this. Another

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season of the Big Bash is justabout to come to a close, and
by that I mean the regular season. The Reeve Final systems are about to
be getting underway. So now we'veonly got four teams making the semis,
as opposed to that ludicrous system wherewe had five teams making it so we
could get an extra game in firstand second playoff with each other, which
is the Brisbane Heat for a magnificentcampaign. And then the six is snug

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in there after a simply astonishing gameof cricket last night against It was quite
a game of cricket last night.I watched a fair bit of that and
twoed and fro games the whole waythrough. Like the six has started brillantly.
Laurie Evans fought back. Aren't theytwo very good teams. But I
mean, as units said, bothvery very good teams. They just they

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have players that just complement each otherbeautifully. They have the power, they
have guys who've been that long,they have both teams have pretty much every
single base covered. And neither teamassumes they're out of the game. That's
the thin. So the Scorches weredead and bury towards the end, and
then they lost a bunch of wickets. So the six then lost a bunch

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of wickets towards the end, andthey were keeping Moses Enriquez off strike,
and it's thought, oh they youknow, they might actually steal this one
here, but mostes got on strikeand that's sixty only in the last over
off Aaron Hardy over the long squareboundaries. Was Yet it was. It
was a great game. It wasone of the actually sounded like a bomb
went off when that hit his butit was like a clunk. It was

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a bomb. It was clean.It was clean. And did they measure
it. I didn't say any.It went a long way. One hundred
meters maybe it went a long way. But yeah, So the Sixers that
was the game to tie up secondplace. So the sixers will get the
second bite of the cherry. They'lltake on the Brisbane in the Gold Coast

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and the Scorches then all play againstthe Adelaide strikers. He seemed to be
sort of peaking at the right time. Matt Shorts had a wondrous campaign and
he got them into the into thesemis. We've we've stole the virtues of
Matt Short on his podcast many manytimes. We think, you know,
he's an investment worth making his well, I actually liked the role that you've

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tagged for him as that Maxwell replacement. Yeah, he will come in in
the middle. Audio will play hisgame. He can, he can you
take the score along very very quickly. He's a good runner between week,
it's a good fielder. You getsome o's out of him. And is
there a cleaner hitter of the ballin the country at the moment. Just

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the fact that you're having to thinkabout that with the amount of cricket that
you and I can take in andwatch, he wouldn't. There wouldn't be
too many. I can't probably onthere. You know, there's guys on
their day. March should probably beMarsh's at the moment. Yeah, but
Matt Short on a consistent day today basis just walks out and he finds

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the middle of that. When we'retalking about a guy hitting the ball as
well as Mitch marsh is, he'sin He's in rare air at this boy.
Marsh has been in unbelievable form overthe last sort of two years or
so. So we talked about inthe same breath as someone hitting the ball
as cleanly as Mitch mart or evena Travis Head. Yeah, like Shorts,
Shorts batting really well, and he'slike he's carried the sixers, not

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all of the sixers, the strikerswith just some absolutely brilliant performances. I
have noticed that there are some thereare some things that he does need to
work out, especially in the Ttwenty format with his game. He's obviously
a very strong starter in the inthe power play, but outside of the
power play, tends to he justneeds to just I don't know, he

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needs to add just a few moredegrees to his hitting arc. I think
there's just not necessarily boundary balls,but you can They showed it to a
couple of games ago where they hewas like thirty four off twenty or thirty
four off eighteen, and then hewent for another fifteen off seventeen, and
they just once the power play finished, they sort of tied his run rate

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down a little bit there. Soit's just some you know, just some
tweaks to his game. And obviouslythat you know, every player is going
to no one's the finished article withthat to be his next step to sort
of make sure that he ascends tobeing a quality international player is just making
sure that he doesn't. Obviously youcan't just keep charging hard with all the
players out on the boundary, butjust making sure that he's not you know,

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going from say a one fifty strikeright to a ninety five strike right.
He needs to make sure he needsto. It'd be somewhere bet find
one hundred and thirty, you know, one hundred and twenty hundred and thirty
in these middle overs. It can'tjust be singles. They can't be rocks
of diamonds singles or or you know, boundaries. But it has to be
placing the ball better to pick upto rotate the strike, so he's not

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soaking up those those couple of extraballs you know, at that stage,
once it gets you out of thepower play. You really needs to be
making contact with the ball and runninghidden no strike. So we've got that
going. There's the strike of Scorcheswill host Adelaide, Heat will host Six's.
Where do you see the tournament goingfrom here? Who's how's it playing
out? If you were singing itnow? Look I am. Well,

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it's one of those rare years Ithink where every team that's in the finals
has a legitimate claim to the title. I mean, the Heat have been
outstanding this year. They've played veryvery well on the back of Michael Nisa.
Again, you know how good isthis guy? Honestly, how good
is he? Another in another generation? He's a fifty test you know,

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one hundred and one day od Ilegend Okay, and you know the new
South Wales quartet has certainly ruined theevery careers and a lot of every lot.
Every time he goes out on thefield for the Heat, he produces
something special, whether it's with thebat, the ball in the field,

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some of those catches he's taken issuesesy particulars. Yeah, I think their
big loss is Yeah, I thinkthat that win over the Scorches has really
pumped up the Sixers and we knowwhat a fantastic winning unit the Sixers are
and they're not playing at the Gabbawhere they typically like. The six has

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actually played a lot of cricket inthe Covid bubble at the ground at the
Gold Coast. There's a lot ofhome ground familiarity, and they were talking
about that last night after the game, saying that you know, we're not
that we're big, noting ourselves,we are quite familiar with the ground.
We're not afraid to play. Ithink man for man, the two best

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units in left in the four teensare the Scorches and the six is man
for man. But the team dynamicsthat have gone on with the strikers and
the heat to get to where theyare kind of even that out a little
bit. Not the Scorches and thesix players as a team, but there's

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some of their parts is very verygood, whereas the some of the parts
of the other two is greater thanthe individual if you know what I mean.
So personally, I think we'll seeSix's Scorches final. Yeah. I
think there's just there's too much class, too many runs on the ball.

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Like they know how to win games, I know how to get out of
scraps. Look, if you're ifyou're going to beat the Scorches in per
you need to go there and puttwo hundred plus on the board. That's
just like forget about it. Imean, what did they do the other
day? They made a whole littlethird. It was thirty three off their
last time. It was a recordrun chased last night for the Sixers.

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They ended up scoring trying to run. I think you're chasing one ninety eight
to win. At one stage theScorches were two for sixty six. That's
a big out for them. ToLourie Evans, he's gone now, he's
off to play franchise cricket overseas andthe obviously no ash, which would be
I don't know Jay Richardson as well. I don't think it's a lot for

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like replacement anyway, because Lorrie evansIs year has been absolutely unbelievable, almost
unbol doable too. At this timehe gets in the right mood, I
think I think the Sixers will betoo strong for the heat. I think
the strikers, if they, ifeverything goes right with some of those out
could upset the Scorches. But perfactaren't like the Sixers needed to play a

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nearly perfect game to beat the Scorchesover in in Perth, and the Sixers
are objectively a better side than theStrikers, so it's going to take I
think the Scorches having a poor gameand the Strikers playing out of their skins
for them to get through last thetime. You've actually seen the Scorches play
a poor game. But they mayhave poor parts of the game, but

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when do they actually play a reallypoor game and it's been it's me doesn't
happen very often at all. Soyeah, look I'm not sure where.
Yeah, I think it's gonna beanother boring Scorches Sixers final and see how
that sporting rivalry plays out there.Look with the way that the drawer is
now, of the Sixers win andgo straight through the Sixers having home advantage,

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rich'll be the scg Yeah, I'llprobably be looking at a Sixers win
there. Yeah, well to begood for us being new South Welshman,
but I'm still play for it.Nothing's one on paper, but you still
do have to admire the dynasty thatis the Scorches because they are a dynasty
and I think the Sixers are tothese two teams, like, when have
they ever been bad? Yeah?True, that's true. You know,

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like from the very first the Thunderof one a comp. But they're outside
of that winning that comp, they'velargely been mediocre and like that. I'm
saying this as a Thunder fan.You know, the Hurricanes had a couple
of years where they were relevant andquite a few where they're not. The
Sixers and the Renegades they're just bad. They've boy like, they've made a

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couple of fine like the Renegades ofOne one, but outside of that,
they've been pretty ordinary. The Starsalways underachieve. Again, the you know,
the Heat. You know, they'vehad times when they've been like one
one as well, but like they'vethey've ebbed and flowed. But the Sixers
and the Scorches just seems just constance, Like the sun Roll. It's just

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churn out winning seasons and not everyyear they're getting all the way to the
big Dance, but they're always oneof those. I can't remember a year
ever in the thirteen years it's beengoing where the Sixers or the Scorches haven't
been in the final relevant. They'vebeen They've had something to say coming into
the tournament. So what do wethink about how this tournament's gone on.

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I still think that we haven't quitegot it right. It is a bit
of a shame now that we're losinglike Monroe, and we're losing Evans,
and we're losing guys like Contract.You know, so I still think we
haven't. We haven't We've taken astep in the right direction because I haven't
had the point where I'm just like, oh, it's the Big Bash.
I actually liked how they've shortened itall up, and I do like the

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new format of the final series.Four teams is plenty. You don't need
to What they say have got awayfrom this year is really trying to milk
the product. I do like theshorter format. I must admit I do
like the fact we haven't we haven'tquite hit it. The reason that the
IPL can just go on and onand on and on and on is because

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there's millions of dollars, tens ofmillions of dollars being thrown around there.
The Big Bash just doesn't it's notattracting that much attention. There's no reason,
like, obviously it's attracting attention inAustralia, but in terms of a
global thing. It's it's a it'sthe little brother. Oh absolutely, it
doesn't need to go like you shouldn'tbe looking at it going, oh,

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well, the IPL's going for youknow, ten weeks or eight weeks or
whatever it is, so surely wecan go at least you know, six
or no, you're an upstart,you're a small market thing. You just
like and it would be a bettertournament if guys like Lorie Evans and Colin
Munroe and these guys didn't have toleave for other And then, let's face

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it, when we don't have ipO money, so they're always going to
be even if they're not more lucrative. Initially, if you've been signed by
a franchise that's got IPL money,you're wanting to make sure you keep that
franchise on side because they tend topick the same players when they go around
to other tournaments and things like that. So even if d s a T

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twenty was offering less money than theBig Bash, which I don't believe it
is for those level of players,but you're you're obviously not going to bite
the hands at Feedji because you knowthat that team owns two or three other
franchises. So yeah, it's justit's a good step in the right direction,
but there still needs to be alittle more. We're still a little
too long. And this really shouldbe a big eyo opening point for the

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for the makers that there are somany sides now that are affected by big
outs from their imports and not throughinjury, but because oh no, we're
busy now, we're leaving like justthe finals. They're missing out on the
finals to go and play the beginningof another tournament like normally if it was
the other way around, they're missingthe beginning of the Big Bash to finish
off and then make it like therewas twenty missed out the beginning of the

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Big Bash because he needed to hangaround for the finals of the previous tournament.
So whereas we're not getting that samerespect, that same respect, it's
like, oh no, no,no, we're off now to that.
So you know, if that's nota big sort of eye opener where you
are on the pecking order of theseglobal tournaments that I look, we're definitely
a second tier tournament thing. Imean, you have to look at I

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guess you have to sort of lookat who the big earners are in the
T twenty world as far as playersand everything go, and if you want
to track those players, you haveto pay big dollars. The IPL works
because it attracts all of them,okay, whereas little competitions like us cannot.

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We just don't make the money.We're not on at the right time
of year to attract the absolute creme, because you could guarantee if we were
scheduled at a time where we werealmost like a warm up leading into a
more lucrative tournament of the SAT twenty. You have everybody out here playing.
If they could play here for afull tournament and then leave at the end

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of the tournament and go and playanother one, our scheduling is not right.
I still maintain that the best timeto have it would be as soon
as humanly possible the football codes arefinished. Yes, So once the AFL
is done, and you can goand turn Adelaide over SCG mcg docklands all
those multipurpose grounds from AFL fields intocricket fields and just and just go just

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how long do you need? Andthey stay two weeks, then you go
two weeks, or go three weeks, you go three weeks and months a
week for it to settle in.But yeah, and you just get banging.
The first the first cricket thing thatthe Australians get of the summer is
each one is the big Bash,the big bashing smash. It out done,
and then you move into there's noreason why the Sheffield Shield and everything
that may not have the attention focusedon it, but there's no reason why

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the Sheffield Shild can't continue one inthe background. I just pause them,
that's fine, Just play the SheffieldShield a bit later on and then start
start eating December and work it throughthe you know, I think the whole
idea with the way that they're runningit, But if they'd like to use
the Sheffield Shield as a leading orsomething, you know, a leading for

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or certainly the test players maybe havea game or if you shorten it up
enough, you should still be ableto get a couple of rounds a shield
in before December where you can havea look. And then, let's face
it, most of the players nowwe sort of know what we're getting,
like it'll be, there's not thatmuch mystery where then there's preconceived obviously,
there's preconceived ideas with the selectors thatthey're not genuinely going or we need to

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watch two games of shield cricket.Otherwise we've got no idea who's going to
fill this spot in the side.So do you think it's it's feasible that
we could have, say, forarguments sake, we could have players playing
a shield game in the daytime andplaying a Big Bash game of a night.
Now, I don't really like whathappens if you get injured through the

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course of a Big Bash game andthen you, yeah, I think that's
probably a little too much stuffing around. And then you've got to make sure
from the point of view, say, for argument's sake, you're a Rabala
and you contract into a Big Bashfranchise and your team's bad at all day,
and you're true, but you've alsogot to remember as well that the

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Shield and the Big Bash fixtures don'talways line up. So you'll be like,
if you're playing if you're playing ashield fixture at the SCG, so
the sixers are playing the Scorches forexample, you then can't play anywhere else,
so they have to be your shieldgame would be the SCG. And
then if you're going to then playa Big Bash Game, and where you're

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going to play the Big Bash Game, it'll have to be an optus and
you're not going to get from Sydneyto Perth either that you know or Thunder
players might be able to then playthere they go from the SCG, but
I just think that's too much.What I reckon it would be a really
good idea is if you then didso you did the Big Bash Bang first
up, get it out of theway through like end of October, November,

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finishing up early December, and timeShield you play, you play players
who we could bring here and reallythere doesn't at the standard of the competition,
it doesn't clash with any other tournamentsin that time. But once you've
got that out of the way,what you could also do is then have
through that summer you can have theShield going and playing the Marsh Cup.
So you could probably play like Shieldgames through the week, so Monday,

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Tuesday Day, Monday, Tuesday,Wednesday, Thursday and Friday off and then
over the Marsh Cup on Saturday orSunday, Yeah, Saturday or Sunday,
you could play one day fixtures andthen actually maybe try and market those through
the holidays and get them down tocome and support, you know, one
day cricket, which is not dependingon the way that the squads are formed
as well. I mean a lotof the states certainly have a one day

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squad and a four day squad,so there might not be that much crossover
of players. If you've got minimalcrossover a player, there's no reason why
a one day break wouldn't be fineto do that. You can, like
you said, you could market itis, you know, and the interstate
rivalries in the way that they getit back to how it used to be
in the nine is when you usedto watch it on Channel nine. They

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used to have the mercantile mutual coupleof the Iron Gut. And I'd defy
any cricket fans tell me that somethingthat those games weren't some of the best
games that we've ever seen. Werewatching a New South Wales game that had
Slater and War and War and McGrathand mcgra and all these guys who come

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through who aren't big names, likeyou know, coming in and playing with
the big boys, and you getto see who they are. And the
first time I ever seen Brett Lee, actually I've seen Brett Lee in the
Flesh and Under sixteenth comp like anational comp when he was sixteen. He
was like just terrifying people. Butthe first time I ever seeing him play

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on CVO was an American American timemutual. Come man, you say,
and you just go little care onthe game where he broke Joe Angel's arm,
Yeah, I think that was agame that the Whack was a shield
game. Maybe at the Whack alreadybroke Joe Angels. He's broke a few
people's arms actually, and he's actuallygot a pretty good record of breaking people's

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toes well yeah, or jaws orjaws. So it's over. Yeah,
So we're missing out on some greatop comtunities around the periphery of the Big
Bash to market the rest of cricket. Obviously, we want to put it
through the holiday period. But I'vemade this argument before. Did you stop

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working over the holiday Christmas holidays?Did you get massive amounts of time off?
I didn't get massive amounts of timeoff. I've got boxing data.
So if your kids wanted to goand watch the cricket, which is what
they talk about. Wanted to getkids coming out of the cricket and get
the young people involved in all that, So if your kids wanted to go
and watch a Big Bash game,would it make any difference to you if
they wanted to go and watch oneon December twenty first or October twenty first

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slightest, So the whole mechanism staysthe same. You actually probably you know,
for October the twenties, working inretail, you're probably less likely to
be able to organize to get aday off to go down and watch the
cricket than you would be in October. And that's what I mean. Parents
are the ones that take kids tothe cricket. And with today's society,
there is much there's very little liketo opportunities. Parents have to have time

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off over the Christmas holidays, likelife goes on for them. Yeah,
sure the kids aren't school, butthey're still going to work, they're doing
their nine to five's, whatever itmight be. And so if they can
take their kids to the cricket,you know, December eighteenth, take the
kids to a Big Bash game towatch the Sixers play at the SEG.
There's no real reason why they couldn'tdo it early November. Big outside of

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the school holidays, all the BigBash games are basically played. You know,
seven point thirty first ball, sevenfifteen is the first ball, so
well and truly after school's finished.You know, the whole idea of it's
supposed to finish late enough that youknow there's socials early enough that it's a
it's a family friendly affair, soyou know, you maybe that you might

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end up having it that your familiesare prioritizing Friday, Saturday Sunday games.
But in theory, that's what you'remarketing. You're marketing at a game that
you can go and watch. Maybeyou bring it the start times back to
say quarter to seven, so it'ssix forty five starts, so you give
yourself that extra half an hour.So instead of finishish at you know,
you know, ten thirty eleven,they're finishing at ten ten thirty and they're
going to bed and they're off toschool the next day. So like there's

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just a little segue here, AndI was just thinking of that when you
were talking about how long it takesto play a big bash game. Isn't
it amazing how they can keep theoverrates in check in a big Bash game
but we can't do it in testmanage? Yeah, Yeah, you know,
it's just one of those random seguasthat you know we're sitting here and
we're thinking of it, of discussion. It's because there's incentive. There's incentive.

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I don't want to have that extrafield or inside. You just got
to figure out the right way toincentivize it. And a lot of the
time it's not necessarily money because it'sthe match payments that are taken here that's
got nothing to do with what theboard pays. So Pat Cummins is getting
paid whatever he's paid by the ICCmatch payments, but he's on a whole
of a lot more from Cricket Australia. So they say, you know he's

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not sitting there going oh man,if I don't hung on get these overs
in, I'm not going to beable to get the groceries to say up
like after the game when I duckhome or we know he's not. But
I just think it's there needs tobe in game consequence because the players their
athletes, they care about the outcomeof the game, So there needs to
be a substantial in game and that'sbuilt in to ten twenty cricket. You

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you don't get that field and thatcould cost you two fifteen gets bitten hard.
And it's in the rules. It'spart of as part of the playing
additions. It's in the rules.But that's what happens if you don't get
through your overs at a certain time, and the umpires are looking at your
clock, looking at a clock,and he's going to make you're an over
behind or you're two overs behind,and if you're still two overs behind by

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the time we get to this time, you're going to have a further broad
in from the boundary. Yeah,I think there needs to be It needs
to not be until the end ofthe day where they go all right,
you only got through eighty two overstoday, and then I think it needs
to be more management of the oversas the game is perceived exactly, and
that's to it. I think therewould need there needs to be like a

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shot clock, like a between oversshot clock, where anything that anything that
we can do that sticks it rightin front of the players and says,
hey, you need to hurry upbecause this idea that I mean, we
barely will getting eighty overs in aday, and I think it needs to
be pretty harsh. But the firstone is a warning, Okay, you

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missed your mark. Second one isa five run penalty, Third one is
a ten run penalty, fourth oneis a twenty run penalty. Fifth one
is a and it just keeps goingup like that. So and that could
be you have if you're an inningsworth for runs out of slow over rate
at the end of you if you'reshort five overs, so you're first over
it, you don't do it againfive ten, so it's five fifteen thirty

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five sixty five fifty five runs infive overs and you're behind. I actually
think if you get to the fifthover mark, if you're five overs behind,
it's fifty runs. Just make itsuch a massive disincentive for it to
happen, you know. That's andthat's simply you have whatever. Put a

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number at say thirty seconds, fortyfive seconds a minute, whatever it is.
Put a number in there so youhave that many seconds to get to
swap positions, get your baller thenand be running in. And if you're
not running in by the time thattim hit zero BAM, five run penalty,
BAM, ten run penalty, BAM, twenty run penalty. And there

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needs to be it needs to benot how do we punish people after the
fact that's how do we keep peopleon track while all the game is going
because we've just we've done it foryears and years and years. We've winged
and moaned about over eights, youknow, with financial incentives. There's been
a well said chan points, there'sbeen suspensions, there's all sorts of things

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that we do, and it doesn'twork. Players don't want to lose the
game while it's occurring, you know, getting docked money after the game,
getting points taken off after the game, getting out a game means getting it
you know, you know, thenext time you do it will be if
they're all in the future, it'sall okay, we can fix it later

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on, whereas if you have todo it in the moment, and it
might not be you know, abig thing, but I think you know,
every little bit helps. And ifyou we're shaving you know, say
fifteen minutes over the course of aday, because people aren't just milling about
and having a good old chat andall this rubbish. And I mean,

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I don't agree all the time ofwhat Ian Chapel says, but he published
an article this week and he madesome very very good points. Why are
there so many uncalled for breaks ina session of test cricket, changing of
gloves, changing of gloves. Now, given climb and stuff. Under certain

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circumstances, I can understand changing yourgloves maybe every half an hour. I
don't mind. If you want tochange your gloves, that's fine. But
do the same thing with the batters. You want to have a break,
that's fine. There is you know, pick the number, say let's go
for argument, Say forty five seconds. There are forty five seconds between overs.
You need new gloves. Twelfth menneeds to be Johnny on the spot
if you're not ready to face upby the time that timer hit zero warning,

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five run penalty, ten run penalty, twenty run penalty. So your
score is going down if the battingteam is the one that is holding proceedings
up. I actually really really likethat idea because it's on both sides.
The batters will I mean batters knowhow to milk the clock, okay,
how to slow things down, becauseto slow things down, I mean the

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easiest thing in the world. Batmanon a third week and the slow things
down and you're just going down todis and garden takes five for ten seconds
and slow things down. Stop theguy running the big thing will be then
they'll then do their timing between balls. But I think that if you're just
sort of doing that, that it'snot going to be here is the magic
bullet to fix it. It's goingto be a lot of magic bullets that

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will fix it. You can't justgo we'll change this one rule and it'll
fix everything. But the first thingI think is there's too much milling about
between overs and then and Chapel Iread that article. Ian Chapel's like,
what are they talking to each otherat the end of every overfore, exactly
what's different between now and six ballsago when you last came and chatted and
were about it out of maid andover And what's difference between how we do

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it on a weekend where the bowlerknows where he's what's bowling from, the
captain knows what further he's said.The only time the captain will normally come
over and say, mate, we'regoing to do this or we're going to
do that, and that doesn't takea two minute consultation. At the end
of someone's run, it's thirty metersby the way, and then you've got

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to run fifty meters to get backto your fielding position. It's it's almost
bordering on deliberate time wasting, andit's not it's detracting from the spectacle of
long form cricket. It really is. It is when you can't you know
how many overs did we get whenwe went to the Test last year?

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Eighty two maybe three eighty eighty threeovers? I think we've got in that
day, and there was a minimaltime lost through through bad light at one
stage, but even so they takethat time lost the way, it's still
worn't going to buy a day.It's supposed to be ninety overs in a
day and not get over time,and you get the extra half hour to

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make sure you get there. Soit's supposed to be they finished at you
know, six o'clock, you're supposedto have your ninety overs in by five
thirty. Yeah, and then youget the extra half an hour try and
get you there, and then they'renever anywhere close to having their eighty overs
one stage. The pakistanis I meananother terrible they're over rates as well at

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that one times they album them twelveovers in our that's not good enough.
Twelve overs an hour is not goodenough. And I think as well.
I brought this discussion up because whenwe have segued quite away off the big
bash, we'll come back to whatwe're talking about. But I think this
is a really good point. Iwas having an argument with someone's like,
the test finished in three days andhalf a session. Who cares about over

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eight There's so much time left inthe game that it doesn't matter if they
were slow because the game there waslike, the game finished well before,
So why do we care? Ifthat's a totally nonsense. It's not not
I get for someone who doesn't understand. I can understand like I can get
wise, like, well, you'repenalizing a team for you know, they're
only seeing it as you know.Well, the game didn't finish in a

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draw where we ran out of overs, so what's the big deal? There
was out? But the thing thatI'm you know, you're supposed to get
through ninety overs in a day.That's what the expectation is. It's not
what are we talking about, Sothat's four hundred and fifty overs in a
test. It's daily. The limitis daily. You're supposed to be getting
over there in a day. Now, there was The game in question was

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an ash this game where we're gettingparticularly pummeled by the Poms with some overcast
weather, and I said, well, it's supposed to be eighty overs in
a day and they were well shortbecause they just kept bombarding us through the
overcast conditions. Balls nipping around,lost a few wickets, really changed momentum
of the game. If Ben Stokeshas going, we're really behind the over

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eight. I need to get mulland Alley on. Otherwise there's going to
be insert penalty here because otherwise I'mnot following the rules. Then the Aussies
wrestle backs to momentum because they'd muchrather face mull and Alley than Stuart Broad
and James Anderson in a really dark, overcast, you know day in Manchester
where the ball is and sideways aroundcorners. They much rather face a guy

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that's got a bowling average of nearlyforty that's barely turning the ball off the
strait. And then so if you'reactually playing, it's the sort of the
integrity thing. And the same thinggoes with the Australians as well, when
the balls they're coming in thundering inbowling, bouncer after bouncer and you can't
do anything, and then all ofa sudden they've got to pract the quicks
off because they're running out. Andthen you've got Todd Murphy or a Marnas

(36:23):
Lavishane or even a Steve Smith orsomeone like that coming in because obviously Nathan
Lyn was injured. But so youdon't then have Cummins and Hazel wouldn't start
coming in. Bowling bounces at youand you've got to you can. They've
got to bring them off because they'vegot to get there through their overs quicker.
And then then on the other hand, makes it easier for England to
bats. And that's the thing Idon't think people quite understand. They look

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at the end of the game wherethese slow overrates haven't affected the result,
Well, they haven't affected the achievementof a result, gain point the game
hasn't has affected the result, butin tangible ways that aren't shown finals where
they're looking at it going, well, the overrights are there to stop test
matches ending in draws. No,not directly, they're over there as the

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minimum requirement of what the amount ofwork you're supposed to get through a day
is, which is ninety overs.At the moment, there's stuff all penalty
for it. So if you cansit there and spend an extra half an
hour twenty minutes peppering them with thequicks coming off long run ups, because
you're more of a chance to geta wicket than why wouldn't you. Whereas

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if you're looking at that going onbehind the runroad, I need to get
my ole alley on, or Ineed to get my spinner on where it's
not as favorable or a part timeor with a shorter run up. You
know, then you know, thenyou've got to balance that. And I
think that's the thing that a lotof I don't want to say casual fans,
but maybe people don't necessarily realize aboutthe overrat argument is that while yes,

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the game resulted so we didn't haveto worry about the draw, but
the game could have changed at pointsin the game where you know it's overcast
of the day, we're running outof time, I have to put mo
and Alley on, whor I'm goingto get penalized, and all of a
sudden, batting becomes a bit easieror not necessarily Ali could have taken wickets,
but you'd much rather face a gentleoffspin on a gray overcast day in

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England than Stuart Broad or James Andanson. And that's the thing. It's the
manipulation of the end result that isthe issue with overrates. Okay, because
you can if you're manipulating the overratedjust slowing things down, you're creating you're
creating artificial situation as opposed to itwould flow along for ninety overs. If

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you're if you're quite content to bowl, like in that scenario that you've just
put and you're happy to bowl theeighty two overs in the day because you
don't care about the penalty you're goingto get at the end of the day.
Then we need to work something outto incentivize captains and its cap on
captains to get through their overs.And how we do it, we don't

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know. I just don't know unlessit's something that is so tangible to them
in the in the moment that theygo, I know, that's just cost
me ten runs. I honestly thinkthe only way you're going to get through
it is you can't incentivize the dailytarget. It just doesn't work. People

(39:22):
teams aren't going to do it.It's for I have never ever ever seen
a game that has had their ninetyovers bold before the extra half hour.
I don't think. I think Ican think in memory. Maybe I've seen
a handful and I'm talking less thanten days of cricket that I can vividly
remember ever getting the ninety overs inthe whole time I've watched cricket. Probably

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the last couple of times that Ican remember it happening was in India,
and that's when I'm a bowling withfree spinners and they get through ninety two
ninety three hoers in a day withfree spinners. But they had the incentive
to do that because they'd like toget on the roll and they like to
get through their because they want isso dangerous over there that you want to
get as many overs in of course, So I don't think so they're incent

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So they're actually incentivized in a wayto meet their overrate. And I just
I just don't think that you're goingto get across the board. There's not
going to be a carrot that youcan dangle. Everyone's going to go,
oh no, no more carrots.Carrots. I don't even think there's a
stick that you can It can't bedone. At the end of the day.
I just teams won't do it.I think it needs to be managed

(40:30):
our by our session by session andits big it means arbitrary as well.
It needs to be as as it'srolling sort of thing. So whether whether
or not that you know it's asession. So yeah, okay, you've
got to bowl thirty overs in thesession. Maybe you might say upfront in

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England you might say the minimal requirementis say twenty twenty five to twenty seven
overs because you're going to build morepast bowling up front. But you've got
then got to make it up atthe back end where the ball's getting older
and you're going to more and morespin. So you might give them,
you know, set sort of arbitrarytargets. But I think, yeah,
the way that you chip away itis controlling those stoppages between play. So
you have you know, you don'thave meetings between balls. You you know,

(41:15):
you put a you work out,Yeah, so a timer between overs.
You've got to be ready to go, and that works batting and bowling.
I don't know, maybe put ashot clock on and over work out
what the average sort of you know, bowling time that you need to meet
and maybe not necessarily, Well,what you're looking to get your fifteen ams
in Now you've got to bowling overin four minutes and so, and maybe

(41:39):
not holding them to exactly to that, but at least if you know,
maybe a time and that's going.You know, so if you've taken five
and a half minutes for the firstover, you're a minute thirty behind,
and then you're watching that time agoand you're looking at that going all right,
I know I need to make upsome overs, but I think control
what we can control at the momentis definitely those big comfabs between overs.

(42:01):
Anyways, we're going to get backto what we're talking about. That was
a diatribe we didn't expect to goon. So right after this we're gonna
have a chat about the frank WildTrophy and how that's all going beautifully.
Here we are day one of whatused to be quite the enthrawling series.

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This used to be what made Australiansummons the frank Wild Trophy, and now
unfortunately it is well it's a fastI'm not even gonna it's diminished into irrelevancy.
Unfortunately. I was having a chatwith someone earlier and I said,
probably the most interesting thing about this, about this day's cricket is going to
be what's Camon Green's workload going tobe like? And how is smug going

(42:45):
to go opening the batting. There'sjust nothing to talk about from the other
team at all. Ed and moreor less that held through. I was
really disappointed in the not so muchthe execution. That's the word I'm looking
for of the West Indies. LikeI have no drums at or on paper,
the West indiesh should get blown outof the water. Three debutants,

(43:07):
they've got no one who averages overforty in first class cricket in that side.
Their middle order from three to sixhave three games worth of Test experience
between them. They should be gettingrolled over. But if you're the underdog
coming in, I would think thatthe one thing that you would want to
try to get right of the thingsthat you can control. You know,

(43:30):
your discipline mainly, and there area number of players that just absolutely threw
their wickets away. Da Silver,who is a much better bats when than
his record indicates. He is awell put together batsman. That was just
appalling that Again, it was thesame thing when Rizwan got out and the
other Test against in the Pakistan series. There was an obvious trap that they've

(43:53):
set. That's what they're trying todo. Your team is four wickets down,
five wickets down, you're the lastrecognized back. Just let him sail
it harmlessly over your head. Youcouldn't know him. The thing. The
thing, unfortunately, I think withJoshua the silver is he is just an
impulsive hooker, okay, and impulsivehookers are another Breder batsman entirely. Mate.

(44:15):
You just have to wave that ballat them and they're going to need
to self awareness though, and thediscipline, the self disciplined to go.
That's that's that's a sucker shot.What am I getting? If I hit
it really well, I get six. If I don't hit it really well,
I'm out or I've yet won.Just let him bowl bounces and you
heard it on the on the stuntmine as soon as he hit the ball,

(44:36):
he's gone, oh no, youknow now. And then there are
a couple of guys that played justsoft drives on the court. Gully Cord
Cover, Brathwayton and Mackenzie I thoughtgot really good balls. Draft Weight got
an absolute teach from Cummings. Wasn'tthat just a great ball and in the
summer of greatness from Pat Cummins thatwas probably right in the Grand Final was

(45:00):
one of the best balls's bowl.It was absolutely inch perfect and you know
we're not talking about a guy whogot beat on the inside. He beat
him on the outside, Yeah,and smashed into the top of off start
man. It was just perfection.Alathanse as well, he was disappointing,

(45:22):
like that was a poor level.It's just you've just got to get the
things that you can control right whenyou're the underdog coming in there just didn't
look to be any fight in anyof them except for the bowler that Shama
Oshama Jo Joseph. What I findthat kid's looking to be abouting at eleven
second high score. I'll just casuallyget Steve Smith and Marmus Lavish with the

(45:45):
two big dogs of the Australian lineupon debue, first ball ever i've bowled
in testing it, I'll just knockover a guy averaging fifty seven with the
bat. Thanks. They always seemedto throw these guys up that these young
really just tear He's a bit ofa tear away. He's got some quicks

(46:05):
about him. He really some goodloyals. Actually, both the Josephs have
got good wills. I thought wasdisappointed in Olzari last year. I thought
he was well under part like wellUnderdarne, didn't have a lot of pace
about him, but he was hurryinga few guys up and it's a wicket
that's and it's a good Adelaide wickedagain. I mean, they do turn
out good, good cricket wickets therein Adelaide. It's always pretty consistent.

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It's always pretty much the same.Occasionally get a bit more grass on it,
like you do this year. Butit's a fair contest for both bat
and ball. And if they voltwell, there's no reason why they can't
knock us Aber for three hundred.You wouldn't imagined on that wicked if they
get if they get it in theright spots the way that we did.
I mean Adelaide. Though Adelaide alwaysbecomes so good about on days two and

(46:53):
three, it's going to be.It's going to be. I don't think
it's going to necessarily be. Itwould be a bit quicker. They're going
to I think they're going to reallyneed to pick up Green or Kouaja pretty
early. Could you imagine if youknow, Green or like Green and Kouwaji
get settled in with the first hourtomorrow and get a big partnership on a

(47:15):
layer platform for Marsh and Head tocome out with those short square boundaries like,
it could be an absolute blood bath. Like and we could see that
the pool was doing a little bitearly on, but towards the sort of
you know, it was doing thatsort of thing where you needed to use
a bit of you know, wilinessand line length and sort of stuff.
And you know Keemar Roach is thatsort of bowl of line on length at

(47:35):
one hundred and twenty eight. Idon't necessarily know if that's going to be,
Like I've got real concerns that,yeah, if they don't execute well
early and there's a couple like you, they settle into a partnership. Just
Adelaide's just one of those wickets,especially Travis Head. You know, Travis
Head played a lot of cricket atthe Adelaide Oval. You know, Mitch

(47:58):
Marsh has played some pretty beginnings forAustralia at the Adelaide Oval. If they
if they let a partnership build,you can see those guys going big it's
not going to be a thirty orforty. It'll be one hundred and thirty
or one hundred and forty, andthey could be staring down the barrel of
five hundred really easily. If Adelaideplays true, there'll be runs. There'll

(48:20):
be lots of runs on. Itmight be a little bit in there early
tomorrow well hopefully, and the winnerswill need to jump on that early.
I mean, they've got cam Gerenwho's just back inside, you know.
And Kowaja, I think has struggledfor a little bit of touch, especially
at the starting off. It hasn'tjust been that imperious return that he's had.
He's he's had some he stumbled alittle bit this summer. It hasn't

(48:42):
all gone his own way. Butstill certainly classes don't get me wrong,
but I'm not insinuating that he needsI know previously I've called for his head,
but this but I'm just sort ofthis isn't the free, flowing,
entirely self confident rattling off hundreds forfun Kawaji. You can see there's a
chink there if they don't knock himover. You know. Again, he's

(49:05):
a guy that once he's you know, comfortable on the Adelaide oval, he
could put on a stacker run.So the win, he's got them work
cut out for them tomorrow. Ido want to give some shout outs where
their due. I really enjoyed watchingKirk mackenzie bat. I thought he was
well put together. I also thoughthe was really he took the initiative between

(49:28):
the wickets. Like I remember,guys like Gail and Marlon Samuels and people
like that would refuse. They justweren't good runners between the wickets. They
led a lot of run, likea lot of dots that should have been
one or two's that turned into ones. And this guy looked proactive and looking
for the gaps and rotating the strike, and he just got a really good
ball from Hazel when he got tothat milestone. I like to look at

(49:50):
him. I thought he batted reallywell. He but honestly, outside of
that, when your number eleven isthe second I scorer as a batting unit,
you've really got to have a long, a long, hard look yourselves
a little bit. I was alittle bit concerned about what I was seen
from young Chanderpaul as well. Helooks like he's starting to very very slowly
starting to become a bit of acarbon copy of his old man with that

(50:10):
really really open stance. He wasa lot more closed off in the last
last visit. I think there's aprobably deal comparison when when he back to
Gain that show, it's clear thatthat he's really opened up his front side
about that he's been tweaking with thatan attempt to get his shoulders coming more

(50:31):
down the wicket with how Brian was, well, the thing is about making
your shoulders go down the wicket isthat it's all about your shoulders follow your
head, okay, and it's allabout the alignment of your head and everything
like that in relation to the balland where you want to play the shot.
So if you weren't trying to getif you're trying to get your shoulders

(50:53):
more down through through the line ofthe ball, and the best thing to
do is to make sure that youreyes are in line one of the ball
and your feet's beside it. That'sthe easiest way to do it, you
know, you know, I'm justlike obviously Shivnerne made it work, but
you do sort of feel like whatthey're doing is just making things unnecessarily difficult.

(51:15):
Yeah, exactly when you're adding anextra whole idea. I mean,
what and what function is opening atyour front leg going to do to get
your shoulders going down the wicket.That doesn't make any sense. If you
want, like I said, toget your shoulders going down and with you
through the shots, then your eyesgo to the ball and your foot goes
beside the ball, and then everythingelse will follow according to what shot you're

(51:37):
playing. It's just simple. It'sjust sort of and obviously you're not going
to pick apart Shivehi averaged. Youknow he's got what runs an outlier.
Okay, she's one of those islandsin the storm, mate. You know,
he was just a unique individual whomade things work for him. And

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you can't suggest it's a genetic thing. You don't. Yeah, you don't
grow up and petically have that sortof stance. And I think Shiv was
probably was still more in a correctbatting stance, like he started open and
then closed himself off by the timehe was playing the shot, whereas it
doesn't seem as well put together,like the sun hasn't emulated it as well

(52:22):
as he has, like even whenhe was starting to like in the brief
time he was there a couple ofballs where he has that tendency to play
down a line even when he's lettingthe ball bat and you can see that
his hips was still too way open, so his eyes are facing out a
way for the first boundary of thegame. Is he tried to leave it,

(52:42):
but he didn't drop his hands andstuck, ended up hitting the bat
and then went through gully through gully. That the only thing that Cameron Green
didn't take today was that one.Yeah, he's is he on course to
be perhaps the greatest gully fieldsmen ofall time? He's have to be on
course, like goodness something, andhis very young career, he has taken

(53:06):
some absolute specky is there so likeyou can only imagine the other ten years
of that. Obviously there is along line of fielders that have done it
for a lot longer. But youknow, if you're talking about if he's
on the right trajectory, I meanthey got buckets for hands, and you
know he moves with a grace thatdoesn't befit how big he is. I
think that's the thing that like heis getting himselves into these athletic positions while

(53:29):
being two meters tall. Like it'sit's a lot more easy. It's not
easy for guys like say Johnty forexample, or you know, Steve Smith
to throw themselves around. There's awhole lot less of them. And getting
down to those ones that you know, those low ability to get down so
low to the ball when the ballsand when the ball's actually coming to gully
quite often is going down. Andhis ability to get his hands under the

(53:52):
ball in such a low position andstill drive like he's got a lot of
drive when he gets down low.So he's really, you know, something
special. When you when he wasout of the side, you'd still consider
just picking him just purely to fieldat gully, like you can make his
spot. He's an all round herhe's a batsman and he can field at

(54:12):
gully like you know, like that'syou know, you're something special. And
I'm the co host. Craig isn'this an Town. He couldn't make it,
and he was bringing up some things, so I'm gonna have this chat
about this in relation to Cameron greenTown. He isn't of the opinion that
Green should be bowling. He thinksthat just getting concentrating on his batting,
which I don't necessarily disagree with,and I think it's sure. I just

(54:37):
wouldn't hate to see him go downthe road that Mitch March has ended up
going down where he's you know,he had that string to his bow earlier
in his career where he had abit of sharpness and everything about him.
Green's still young and he's got alot of potential in his bowling. The
curve with him is not to overbowl. Yeah, that's that's I was
of the same. I can.I completely understand where Town is coming from

(54:59):
with that, Like, get himin there at four, give him a
job to do, and his jobis to average forty forty five or more,
batting it for score hundreds for Australia. Don't complicate things by making him
too many things to do, andI agree with that. There should be
The expectation is the Cameron. Ifyou're batting it at for what we're expecting
is you're converting starts into hundreds asoften as you can. And you're said

(55:21):
in like, you know, we'rewanting that to be north of forty two
sort of thing. You're batting average, you know, and if you're not,
if you're not performing those tasks,then then you look at that you
don't give him a pass, sohe has his averaging sort of thirty eight
thirty nine. You want to dothat, then you've got a back five
or six sort of thing. AndI think that's just very I think we're

(55:43):
very aware of just making sure thathe's playing that are the right role that
we've got him in. I haveno qualms of him being having a bit
of a bowl because I think we'regood at doing ourselves a massive disservice by
not letting him bold. Because he'sobviously a freakish talent, and I can
see him being a Jacques Kallis four. It's a guy that backs at ball,
gives us plenty of handy overs.But I want to just see him

(56:06):
get into the side and carve outan identity and while marsh is in there,
you can then turn that fifteen oversthat he may have to bowl,
and it even seven into seven.What I did like in the overs that
he did bowl, it wasn't justall short stuff. They actually let him
attack the stumps and he wrapped afew blokes in the pads. I've never
liked that. I've never liked himbeing pigeonholed into that I'm going to do

(56:29):
the donkey word, will bounce andbounce and bounce a bouncer. It's his
greatest success in first class cricket hascome when he's pitched the ball up on
the whacker and swung the ball awayat one hundred and thirty eight to one
hundred and forty ks an hour,and they were letting him do that for
that spell, which I was happywith. It wasn't just I just going
to bowl four overs of short stuffand they actually let him in there and
have a bit of a bowl.So obviously we didn't really need him because

(56:51):
we wiped them all out for onehundred and eighty. But I just think,
yeah, I'm not necessarily with Townyon that. That's yeah, we
just take the ball off him alltogether. But I do think if he
marsh in the stide, you needto be sharing that. Like what Cameron
Green needs to walk in every dayis how do I score one hundred for
Australia today, not how do Iget a you know, a flashy forty

(57:12):
and take a couple of wickets.We don't want that from him because I
mean, let's face it, thefact that he's been groomed to go to
number four means that he's going tobe Steve Smith's replacement. Then some shoes
man. That should be his missionshould be okay, over the course of
twelve, you know, twelve months, I need to be averaging forty five
plus with the bat, and ifI take wickets, that's gravy. But

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that should be it. There shouldn'tbe I need to get x amount of
runs and X amount of wickets.That should just be you're batting at four,
that's that's your plan, is youyou know, we'd like to get
you a couple of hundreds under yourbelt. Averaging forty five plus. His
goals should be the goals are tickingoff our bats average notes go up ten
runs and ten runs and innings becausehe's average about what thirty thirty three minimum

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MIDI average forty three, okay,And then if he if he happens in
averaging forty with the ball, Idon't care. I don't care. Yeah,
well, you just that's fine.What the thing is If he's the
thing is he's averaging forty of theball, Chances are he's not bowling a
lot, but he's still picking upthe occasional wicked. If he's averaging forty
five with the bat, you canpick another all round it, you could

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play you can play green Ann Hardyin the team and he doesn't need the
bawl at all. I imagine growinga Hardy in this timment. Aaron Hardy
is turning into one hell of acricket. Oh, he really is turning
into such Surely that has got tobe what cricket Australia are looking at when
Marsh has done his dash. Youknow, you think Marsh has got a
few more years in him. Hardis you know, early twenties. He's

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coming in around that sort of twentyseven, twenty eight. If he get
say three more years out of bachMarsh. You know you're looking at that
and it's just the same thing,hard hitting all round. Are you just
again, you've got the six genuinebowling. Bowling is developing really significantly.
Like opening the bowl on these daysin the power playing for the scorches,
he's opening the bowling in first classcricket batting at four. Look out and

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those two in the team. Withabout this philosophical discussion in the past,
if there's space in the team,focus on them, and Western Australia thinks
there is Wes. Western Australia playedGreen and Hardy in the same side.
Yeah, and if marsh is available, he will play all three, play
all three of them. So yes, I believe that they continue along this

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trajectory where Green develops more as aas a top order batsman, where we
can get some overs out of andHardy probably bats at six, six or
seven if you have a really ifyou have a really stylish keeper, you
could maybe bat Hardy at seven.But I think Hardy is probably good enough
that he bats six. Anyway,you woudn't even need to change it around,
just bat him at six. Ithink you really have to look at

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that. He's got a massive shieldundred seven hundred and seventy four and they
I think he's actually got another onesince seven's one. Yeah, so he
he's turning into a top order,first class batsman. So to bat at
number six in Test cricket wouldn't bea problem for him. I wouldn't imagine,
Yeah, that's let's dream of thosedays. Let's but let's hopefully inflict

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him upon people who really need tohave him. The pondlock India and England
the future. So well, obviouslywe've got another another four more days of
this wildlide. It's not going togo four days, let's face it.
I can't imagine. But what arethe windies? What are the Windy's got
to do to be relevant? Isuppose in the next sort of nine days

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of cricket that they've got on theseshores, released test cricket on these shores.
So much relies on that opening partnership. I think if they get solid
opening partnerships and these younger fellas aren'texposed to a rampaging Australian attack with a
twenty overall ball they have. Look, you can see that these guys can

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play, you know what I mean, Like they're clearly not mugs, but
they don't have the experience and theydon't have the mindset to play against this
Australian They just don't. They're comingout too many of them beat themselves,
yes, and you know you're goingto get that within experience. It's just

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it was really disappointing that, likeit just didn't seem like anyone was up
for the fight. No one wantedto hang around and see through it.
No one was playing other than mackenzie. No one was really putting any pressure
back on the bowlers, no one. They didn't really have to work too
hard to get their wickets. Therewas some Wolften drives well outside off stuff.

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Avanazi shot was a pawing. Thelack of shot, well, the
lack of shot, I mean,I guess it goes down as a shot
of untied. He clearly wasn't watchingthe ball particularly closely because there was no
way known on the on that trajectorythat the ball was let go, that
that was going anywhere but into anarea where you needed to play it.

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Like, I was really disappointed inin Hodge and Greeves. I thought their
wickets were gifted, just nothing loosedrives on the up to court gully and
then caught cover for for Greeves toSilver's was again that was pretty unforgivable,
and like, I'm not gonna holdit against him because he's you know,

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he's their number nine. But theshot that Murty played to get out of
Mitchell Stark where he's backed away andthen tried to like carve it over extra
cover and he's ended up just hittingit straight up in the air and was
caught a point you know, thatjust shows that there's no real fight in
that team. But there they don'thave the culture of the fight. They

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don't seem to have the culture ofthe find anymore. Like I'd much rather
like it's and it's really unfair becausehe's walking out. Go on, jeez,
by the top of order, thebats have done nothing, and out
here I'm getting peppered by Stark.But I'd much rather watch that bowler settle
in and duck and weave and grindout an ugly twelve, then just go,
oh well, there's nothing to begained here. Let's just see if

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I can hit him inside out,over cover and get out for one like
Backford an hour and a half,gets bad for an hour and get six
like like blunt them, make themstay out, spend some time out in
the middle, proof of them.They're not just going to get blown away
that You're gonna have to bowl goodballs for a long time and I'm not
going to get myself out start there. Start with that. Just think we

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need to walk out there and gohow am I not going to get out?
And so you're not going to getout? Is not playing loose drives.
Now, if you're if you know, if it's a half volley and
you mishit it, then you mishitit. But like so there's just some
stuff there that when you're in ahole and they're giving you that wide one
out to just let that go canbring it to you and then you can
play within yourself. They don't seemto understand. And I mean it's something

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that a lack of first class cricket. It's clearly shone with a lot of
those guys is they don't understand thefundamentals of how you build an innings and
like they're fundamentals that should be justlike it's just like batting one o one,
you know what I mean. Theball is outside of your rough stump,

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Do I need to play it?No? Do I want to play
it? If it's in the rightspot and I want to hit it,
okay, b They need the ideathat the idea of batting in its purest
form is you let the good onesgo and you hit the other ones.
And when we say went on,and I don't say the bad ones,

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I say the other ones. Thegood ones are the ones that are more
than likely going to get you out. They come along maybe once or twice
and over at this level three timesyou want in a good over the rest
of the time you're looking to hitthe ball, So put yourself in positions
to hit the ball. They don'tseem to understand the difference between I don't

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need to hit that, I wantto hit it, and that's that's a
mindset thing that you only learned fromplaying long form cricket. Yeah, and
yeah, they're just as like Isaid, I can handle them being out
classed because they quite clearly are.We're not expecting them. It was just
the I would much rather see comeands have to bowl five or six absolute

(01:05:33):
pearlers to get them out and thenjust lazily wafting about it one that you
know, seven or eighth stump andthen just ballooning it to gully. And
these guys would get their own wicketsthrough their own efforts. Mate, they
don't need you, They don't needyour help. Yeah, like they've all
got two hundred and fifty plus wicketsnow they don't. Also absurd, it's
just an absurd statistic where we havea we might finish on that point because

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we're not going to turn this oneinto a marathon. So four bowlers all
bowling together at the same time,all have to over two hundred and fifty
wickets, the spinner obviously having overfive hundred. Where does that rank for
bowling quartets for you? I don'thave to be right near the top,
just the long Jeman like I thinkthat everyone's going to lean towards the Garner

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holding Male Roberts. Yeah, youknow, the four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.
But I think the longevity as wellmade me close as that gap over
the Shans. Here's a pretty fairquartet for you as well as Lily Thompson,
Gary Gilmore and Max Walker. Haven'tlook at their combined records as a

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quartet like they will be right upthere with the in the Australian record books.
I have no doubt about that.On a worldwide level under the West
Indies, you know, for fourfour of them. Jeez, I can't
think of any other quartets really likeI can think of I can think of

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a strong South African Yeah, threethree paced prong like three prong attack and
then a Joe Pallas Well Callous wouldbe the fourth in that Callous would be
the fourth. So say for argumentstate staying more for for lander, Callous
that's a pretty fair that's a prettyfair quartet as well. But I'm not

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sure they all did they all gettwo hundred and fifty test with it,
I don't think so. I'm notsure that Flander got two hundred and fifty
test. I don't think you wouldhave played enough games. I don't think
you did either. Yeah, Ithink yeah. I think the almost the
aura that the four Horsemen of theApocalypse have brought about themselves probably keeps them
fairly untouched, I would imagine.But the thing is the fourth Horsemen of

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the Apocalypse were interchangeable. Yeah,that's and that's the thing that I think
evens that up is that these arethe guys that are coming in you day
in, day out, and they'vedone it for years. And I just
don't think that the the they hadobviously didn't have that tenure, and there
was that, you know, onehorseman to jump out, another one to

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jump in, which is great forthe depth of the West Indies, But
we haven't seen by and large thatby and large it's been these guys have
been fit to play, These guyshave been good enough to play, and
they've done it for a long longtime, which is hard as a fast
bowler, especially as well with theamount of other formats of cricket that they're
usually the first three picks for ourone day side and the verse three picked

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for our T twenty side. Andwe've played a lot of Like I said,
we've been joked about, we've playeda lot of World Cups recently,
so they've had a lot of cricketunder their belt. You know. Line
obviously doesn't have to go and playtoo much short form cricket. Start Cummings
and Hazer Water all playing a lotof white ball cricket and then also fronning

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up and playing and the aim isto play every Test this summer, so
that's a lot of Test cricket ina short amount of time. So I
think they've been helped by the factthat they've actually been out to roll through
teams. Nobody's made three hundred andfifty against this this year and they haven't
been out there for more than ninetyers in anyone. They've managed the game,

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managed the game as well. Butyeah, their longevity is just extraordinary
and I was actually thinking about ittoday. Pat Commons missed six years of
Test cricket at the end of hiscareer. And let's assume, you know,
for argument's sake, he gets fivehundred Test crickets. How many more
do you reckon he would have gotin that six years Or is the fact

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that he's missed those six years makinghim so good now? A little bit
of both. I think obviously whenyou've had the amount of injuries, because
it wasn't just that injury he sustained. There was setbacks and stuff like that
as well, so he's had toYeah, he's had to go about and
figure things out. He was ayoung, tear away quick at seventeen,

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and obviously that he's had to changehis bowling style, so he's he's not
that sort of tear away quick anymore. He's had to add facets to his
game. So I think it's ait's a bit of both. I don't
think that the injuries have made himthe player I think he was. I
said when I because I watched abit of that ship that year in Shield
and obviously the games that South Africanseries he played in, and I just

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said, this guy, if hegets a good run and at this goal,
will be one of the best Bowlswe've ever had. Like said,
I think I said to I thinkI'm saying it's a Glenn might have been
saying it's a Scott. That thisguy could be out Dale Stain. He
just does a bit of everything he'sgot. He's got the wheels to keep
up with stayin. He doesn't mindbowling a bit of short stuff, you
know, rough and a batter up. He can swing the ball both ways

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and you can use the same abit like obviously he was a bit more
of an out and out swing bowlerat that point than he was saying.
Seam has come along as he's learnt. But this is a guy that there
wasn't, you know McGraw never abig swing bowler. You know, Stark
doesn't use the scene too much,sort of thing like he's more like there
their bowlers, you know, theirbowlers that sort of specialize in one particular

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area more than others for Australia,and I didn't see that weakness with Commons.
I thought that he was a guyhe probably doesn't swing the ball as
much as he should, but againhe bowls first change with the changes in
his action. If you have alook back at that Test that he got,
was it the eight wickets or sixwickets or whatever. It was eight
for the Test. Six for he'sgot he got twelve? Did he was

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two six ers? That was sixand I'm sure it was only eight wickets.
But anyway, if you have alook at him in that, look
at someone footage of that, theyhaven't looked at him now and look at
has a completely rema completely remolded hisaction, which has taken away his ability
because he comes from over here,well you know a little bit higher up

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in his shower to come more washis ear now, which I guess is
a buy and make panical thing,which have made him change. But he's
developed that ball that will pitch offand hit off on that angle, and
that is just yeah, that's that'sthat's virtually unplayable because you have to play
the line. Your eyes are goneto the ball to play the line of

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the ball, and it's moved justenough to hit the twenty nine ashes the
amount of times that he would gopast Joe Roots outside edge and then take
the middle of off stump. SoJoe Roots played the line of the ball
and the ball's just it's almost likeit's phased through the bat, that's how

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little it's moved. But it's justdone that you needed to draw the bat
in just shape away. So he'staken the outside of what He's totally developed
that and I think will seem deliverythat they all throw. And I think
that's one of the things that wedon't necessarily appreciate too much because everyone loves
watching the ball hoop because we canwe can see it, we can appreciate
it, and we go off.Comes doesn't move the ball that much.

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It doesn't come as the need to. He moves it as much as he
needs to. He doesn't want andyou would have heard me talking to the
juniors and stuff like that about,you know when we're tolerance factly that same
thing great to move the ball toofoo they needed too many wickets. Move
the ball two inches, that's all, Yeah, two inches, just needs
to move it just past the edgeof that Son. Answer your question,

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I think I don't think that thetime off has turned Comings into the world
beater that he is, because Ithink he was always destined for greatness.
But they've it's just forced him tomanage his body or in a way that
so he can actually maintain it.But I think that you know, we

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saw in that game and we've seenin a few one days and in domestic
cricket for Australia, he was alwaysgoing to get to near the top of
the tree for Australia, it doesn'tmatter. But just this has just made
that success now more sustainable for alonger period of time. So yeah,
like how many we six years?How many wickets could you have taken in
six years if you stayed healthy,man, we'd be looking one hundred and

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fifty. Yeah, an five hundred? Now, well how many more?
So have you taken fifty wickets ayear? Well, let's say more six
years. Let's just say forty.Let's go forty wickets a year and forty.
So yeah, there's gonna be notalk of this. James Anderson is
the goat rubbish? Would they?Oh my god, we're I think of

(01:14:26):
that note. All right, guys, thank you very much. We're going
to let you go now. We'regonna continue watching the West Indies game.
Hopefully they have a Pakistan esque fightback and make a game out of this
one. But it is looking quitesad for the Winds at the moment.
They've desperately need to find some runs. But yes, we'll be back next
week. With more cricketing goodness comingyour way and then I believe No,

(01:14:51):
we won't have a final yet.I think there's now days off for the
Big Bash. But yeah, we'llget back to you with the Big Bash
as well and have it all pannedout. But until then, guys,
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