Episode 175 - The Chappell Hadlee

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other hosts to do a podcast.But we've got one out. We've made
it happen. We've made it happen. We're here and yeah, there's a
bit to talk about. We're gonnahave a bit of a chats, very
brief chat about the monumental test betweenAustralia and South Africa in the women's We're

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gonna have a chat about how theIndia England series is unfolding. And we're
also a bit of a chat aboutthe Chapel Hadley series that is going on.
So as always, as if yousay all the time, the great
thing about our sport is it doesn'tmatter what time of the year it is,
there is something happening. Not likeall those football fans they have time
off. We've just got the appetiteis wet all the time. So strap

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in get ready, we've got plentycricket coming at you. Right after this.
Kick things off with having a bitof a chat about the Test between
Australia and South Africa at the Whacker. It was very historical. I believe
it's the the first one ever.Was the first one ever between Australian and
South Africa. Not a very memorableone for the South Africans Nationally. I

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think we kind of expected that thiswas going to happen. We've got a
nucleus of a squad now that haveall played long pon cricket. The South
Africans basically don't play any long formcricket anywhere, and it was very apparent
their skill sets are not suited tojust taking their time. They were they
were really exposed by just normal firstclass style cricket, leaving the ball a

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lot, playing defensive shots, nothaving a force the run rate. They
just seem to be appetite to getbad on ball, which is perfectly understandable.
There their bread and butter is whiteball cricket, and that's the big
thing. Even like there's even asvaunted as the Australian side is US.
As you know, we've spent ourentire lives watching the Australian men's side,

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we can still see there's quite significanttechnical gaps in a lot of those players
in terms of their temperament around playinglong form cricket. And that comes from
the Aussies that have played probably halfa dozen Tests in the last sort of
what three four years. So yeah, so there there is a there is
a big gap. I do knowthere was a push to get a red

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ball competition going of some I thinkit might have been a three day competition
for three Australian women. I hada thought that I would I would really
love to maybe see if there weresome boards brave enough to do like a
like a premier a red ball premierleague, either make it a three or
a four day comp where you justput the players that want to play it

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into like a pool and then youplay maybe like a round robin over the
course of a couple of weeks whereyou've got like the best Indians, the
best English, best Australian, thebest South Africans, best West Indians,
and they all come and play likea uh and in like not just Australia
versus England versus but you know,you have you know Smidia Underha playing with

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you know, with the meg Lannings, playing with you know, marazine caps
sort of you know, all inthere sort of. That would be That
would be an absolutely interview and probablypretty compelling package. I would have thought
to get the you know, likejust touching on a brief of the women's
IPL started again yet again. Thebig crowds, massive television deal, the

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best players are over there playing playingtheir trade in the Indian Premier League.
We need something to elevate some ofthese lower nations in the women's game into
understanding how to play red ball cricket. Yeah, I think it's probably more
running before they walk. But atthe very least Australia seems like it's going
to be investing. If anyone's goingto be doing it would probably be Australia

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because Australia has been really been pioneeringclosing the gaps to speak between the difference
and opportunities between men's and women's cricket. So isn't an interesting philosophy to just
like touching on that that from thewomen's side, we very much seem to
have this idea that we want todevelop the game. It doesn't happen on
the men's side. We're not interestedto in the game. We just want

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to make some money out of it. Where does and it's run by the
same board essentially, where does thechange in philosophy towards that come from.
Well, I think what they seethat with development will come profits, so
they need to develop Australia. Howmuch more can you really develop the game
in Australia. The only thing you'rereally going to be doing is all grassroots.

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You know, you got to findstrategies to stop kids going and playing
hockey or soccer or whatever you leagueor union or AFL you want to go.
How do we get more kids comingin and playing at the grassroots of
wood. In terms of at thenational level, you know, first class
list D a national level, there'snot really a whole lot that needs to
be done, probably refined, wewould argue probably refining selection strategy, you

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know, especially in New South Walesand Victoria which had that period, and
arguably it's still going on where it'snot necessarily what you do in your grade
cricket in Melbourne or Sydney, it'sthe number that's next to your date of
birth, which tends to sort ofhave the greatest weight as to whether or
not you get first eleven selections.But yeah, in terms of the men's
game, there's not a great dealmore of development going on. It is

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now about how do we maximize profitsfor the game, And I suppose that
playing the Devil's advocate, the men'sgame needs to be actimizing profits to allow
the women's game to flourish, becausethere's probably there's not a great deal of
money in the women's game for itto be self sustaining. Now I understand
that, I mean just sort oftaking the profit element out of it all,

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which obviously you know it's a professionalsport and you know there's there has
to be a profit element in it. It just seems it's a very distinct
philosophy on the women's side that we'rehappy to go and play these things and
bring these people they're about to goand play Bangladesha. I believe that Taylor
alemix back for that. Hopefully shecan stay old, stay fit Taylor.
That being said, though she's theonly she's the only woman I've ever saying

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who looks like she's going to she'squicker than James Anderson. Yeah, she's
going to like one hundred and thirtyone hundred and thirty two k's an hour
as a woman and look out thatthat's very aggressive. That being said,
though it's not selfless development. Australiais not helping develop other nations selflessly.

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They're getting something. There are thetouring and things like that, so it's
not as if it's just like they'rethrowing money. But I think that I
think that the overall philosophy for women'scricket is it needs to be developed because
it's not in a place where youcan just sit down and go a job
done, let's get the cash rollin. So I think there's probably I
don't want to take credit away becauseAustralia has been very good at developing the

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women's game in this country, butI still don't think they're like the selfless
pioneers that are putting the sport first. They're they're developing, they've got their
own interests. They're developing Australian atfirst and foremost. And if that means
that other nations such as Bangladesh orthe West Indies or South Africa who were
very much still in that developmental stageget opportunities, then that's great for them.

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But it's not Australia. They're nothanding out free coupons to Oh,
we really care about you, socome up that they're wanting to expose they're
girls to As much as I understandthat it's not total altruism on their behalf,
but there's just a very distinct philosophywhen we refuse to like give Zimbabwe
a test, when we refuse toplay Look, I understand it's not playing
against Afghanistan. That's another story.They get me started and was refusing to

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play Zimbaweh in a test here allnight we were trying to get this snasch
and snappy. So getting back tothe actual cricket, we don't spend too
much time because unfortunately for the fourSouth Africans it was an absolute whitewash.
Something I wanted to point out courageouscaptain, Missus Stark or no, it's
it's missus, it's it's mister Healy. Really courageous not to get it.

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So, you know, it wasn'tall going out. I suppose it was.
We knocked them over for seventy five, so there was a lot of
pressure off. But they did getthey got a little bit of a roll
on. They had us I thinkfour down for one hundred odd dish,
So it wasn't all going our ownway. We were very much comfortably in
the game. But Heally came outscoredand absolutely fantastic aggressive ninety nine. And

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want to throw this stat at you. I believe I've got it right.
If anyone's listening, you can correctme. Feel free to write in and
do so. There have been threeeight hundred and ninety seven players in the
history of Test cricket to play Testcricket represent in their country. Of that
number and ninety seven, twelve ofthem have a high score of ninety nine.
And of that twelve, two ofthem are married to each other.

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How about that for a step allWe need to let that drift into for
a little bit. You know,we'll come out as cranky old guys at
Trivia Company. Yeah, yeah,we know the answer that that one.
There you go. If you've gotthat at your local pub trigger in time,
you can thank me. I'm partialto money, but you know I'll

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take any sort of gift. Doyou want to send me your things?
Any gratuities are gratefully accepted. AnnabelSutherland. What a superstar she's going to
be Everyone's I've heard people talking aboutonline going walk out Australia all coffee now
that you've got you, Perry andHeally and all these guys, but they're
all getting older and then there's nota lot coming behind. Annabel Sutherland is
batting as low as she used becausePerry's in the team. As soon as

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Perry goes now, thanks very much, guys, I've had enough. I'm
going to ride off in the sunsetif we have already made replacement. What
an absolute superstar she is. Itwas one of the best innings is that
you will see and minutely the qualityof the attack again, I mean lack
of red ball cricket, lack ofdiscipline. I'm able to continually hit the

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right lines and stuff like that.By that time you got to be thinking
they were more than one hundred runsbehind, so they're just like, come
on, just declare and put usout of our misery. So there's a
little bit of that, but atthe end of the day, you've still
got to go and score runs inyou never knocked back. Are just a
lazy double one hundred? Do you? She was? She was so prone.

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And then Kim Garth getting declared onforty nine. Jeez, gess a,
Lissa, you're tough. I reckon, well, you're running out of
times too good. I don't getit like I say that, And I
thought to myself, there's something goingon there. So they forget a brave

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in the fourth innings, I meanall the thirty in things I should say,
they put up twelve, I believe, so they look comfortably beaten.
But they were absolutely thrash. Butye know, quite easily could have just
been bowled over again for a rubbishdouble digit score or barely cracking one hundred.
But they stuck in there. Theydid their best, They fought hard,
they were they were out class fromtop to bottom like they were our

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class top to bottom in the whiteball cricket, and they did really well
to take take a game off Australiaand so so you know, I'm sure
it's one of those ones where kindof wish maybe they played that game first.
So at the end of the tourat least writing a little high going,
you know, okay, yeah wegot we got thumped, but we

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got a game out of Australia inthe tea twenties. We've got a game
out of Australia in the one dayis and they go, they're feeling out
all that high. Yeah all right, yeah we lost, but we've got
a game and then they're gonna playtest and Gish get absolutely creamed. Hopefully
they've they've got on the plane theirheads held high heading home that you know,
while it wasn't ultimately successful that there'sthere's things that there, there are
markers to say that it was thatyou can take out of that tour.

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Look, I think Australia and inthe Europe in the women's game have really
set their their stalls out right atthe top level. Now England are right
there as well, although I thinkEngland are going through that transition period that
they transition a lot quicker than weinitially thought. I really think the women's
hundred has done a great job,like they well they drew the series with

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us over there in the ashes overthere, so well, I was expecting,
you know, a fair drop off. It was a younger you know,
a lot younger team, a lotof the big names had been moved
on. You know, they misseda couple of ODII finals that you would
have expected them to be right thereabouts. And sort of they missed the World
both World Cup that's at one dayand the T twenty they losched out.

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They weren't in, so they werelike, okay, is there are they
falling back to the pack, Butthen they came out and they really gave
the Aussies a real shape for it. So yeah, so yeah, I
think, yeah, obviously those threeare the I think there's Australia, there's
daylight, there's India, you know, there's a little bit of daylight,
and then there's England. But andthen there's a big, big gap to

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everyone else, which you know,but that gap is closing all the time.
It's good to see. Like youjust look at the women's IPL you
look at what's going on. There'sthere's certainly progression there, ay, sure
is. And yeah, the morered ball cricket, that we can get
those women's nations playing off ink thebetter. I mean, just as a
general rule, you know, wecan afford it. Yeah, that's the
next step. We can afford it. We need to be getting. There's

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obviously a desire that, like theAussies are chomping at the bits, and
I why shouldn't there be you know, why should I have a son and
I have a daughter. Why shouldmy daughter grow up not having anywhere near
the same opportunities to wear a baggygreen as my son? Like if my
son get ends up, they endup becoming brilliant, Like look at the

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Sutherland kids, you know, bothamazing, amazing crigaters. You know,
given equal opportunities, will could endup playing ten fifteen times the amount of
tests as Annabel Like obviously they're notgoing to play as much, but we
should be trying to get as manyas many opportunities that girls can wear the

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baggy greens better and we should bepushing that as a as a nation going
right, the ICC we want moretests, you know where Australia we want
more tests. Make it happen andreally be pushing the ice that the ICC
would be like you know, whatare your plans to further red ball cricket
in the women's sport. Australia istrumping at the bit to do it.

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India and England are keen. Howdo we get about getting more red ball
cricket and a more meaningful red bullcricket. So it's not just this nation.
It's like, all right, Australiareally wants to play a game.
You're the land of the slaughter ofthis. But how do you get the
West Indies, the South Africas,the New Zealand's, the Pakistans of the
world at a level where they cancompete on My suggestion, just very quickly

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before we finish up, would bewe need to look at a two tier
system where you'll have Australia, India, England in the top tier, maybe
one other team, and four teamsin a lower tier, and we concentrate
on getting those teams good enough toplay the teams in the top ten.
It's going to be a long longtime. I don't think we'll I know
that this is a decade long project. It'd probably be something that my granddaughter

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wants to see the fruits of thefirst point of course, will someone we're
getting red ball domestic competitions in othercountries, so and if we don't have
one, then we've got to getthat up and running before we can expect
the Bangladesh's, the Pakistans. Theone thing that we do have going forest
but is that every major city inAustralia in their grade cricket setups do have

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red ball first grade, second grade, depending on participation cricket for women where
they do play two day games,they play long form cricket. So I
get a bit of a found afoundation in that, even at even at
a lower level in Australia. Weneed to start getting that instigated somewhere in

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these other places. Rolling on nowto India versus England, I know we
all said that would be nice tosee India knocked off their perch, but
unfortunately bas ball has not been thesuccess the success that they were hoping would

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be. In fact, the mostsuccessful thing that they've done so far in
this tour since the first Test obviouslyhas been that absolutely phenomenal one hundred from
Joe Root in the last Test wherehe went at a strike rate of under
fifty. Yeah, well who wouldhave thunk it? Maybe in adverse conditions,
not playing like the first sweet secondball. And look, I actually

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watched a fair bit of that.It is he said he stole that from
the time he walked in he said, I'm not playing baseball today. That's
not happened. He doesn't need toand what and this is this is the
point. He doesn't need to.He's one of the class batsmen of his
generation and he does not need toplay. Ridiculous since color television was invented,
he's been the best English batsman.Be pretty close. You're going back

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to guys like Hobbs and Hammonds tobe finding people that are better than Joe.
Joe Route is the best English batsmanthey've had since color was invented.
There's been phenomenal. No, wedon't like you know, obviously they're not
scoring An ashes hundred in Australia isgoing to be one that will haunt him
if he doesn't manage to get oneon any of the tours he's got left
in his career. But averaging whathe averages when in the conditions that he

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prominently bats, which has been Englishconditions which favors seem bowling in a side
that for a large chunks of it. He might as well have gone out
and opened because his openers were justawful. Joe Root's class and I think
I'm hoping maybe that innings will screenseven going. You guys do this and
I'll do it. Yeah. Andif you've got Joe Root just chipping away,

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going, you know, somewhere betweenforty five and sixty, just scoring
runs like he does, and thenyou've got your Zach Crawley's or your Ducats
or whoever, just go on olipope, really putting the pressure back on the
bowlers. There's no way to hide. And the way that England played one
days is perfect, you know,Butler's and all that they're going out,

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they're hitting boundaries and they have JoeRoot anchoring the team and just adding through
the innings. But they just seenhim this thing where they've got Joe Root
playing reverse laps and you know,all this sort of stuff. And you
know, there are times that paidoff, especially on sort of flatter wickets
over in England when they were reallypumping this out, and there are other
times that you watch him get agood start, look good and then just

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throw it away and he's just like, what are you doing. That's probably
the one question that is always goingto be asked about Joe Root in the
context of history, is I lookat his you know, what have we
got sixty and thirty now or thirtyone test hundreds at sixty fifties is an
awful lot to be fair, Andwe'll get back to the test series in

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vinible slop sort of talking about JoeRoot, there was a period where I
think he was like ten or twelveand thirty or forty, and that was
just prior to twenty nineteen or somethinglike that. So I think twenty nineteen
he was well, he was byfar and away fourth in out of that
big four in terms of hundreds,and now I think is he level?
Is level with Steve Smith in thecase of what is now four and a

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bit year of four years, heis just he's mode past Colely mode past
was Limson and caught up to andcaught up to Smith like he's had this
bit where he's and that was agenuine criticism. He'd make a start,
he'd throw it away. So Ithink a lot of that really high fifties
count would be prior to twenty nineteenwhere he was, you know, he

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was struggling a bit where in Englandwere nothing without sort of Joe Rue in
terms of their batting stocks. Andhe would make that start and he sort
of he saw it in the inthe ashes over here and then so the
last one's over here, in theone before that, where you know he'd
get in, he'd get a start, he'd looked good, but there was
nothing going on around him, andeveryone was just focusing on him, and

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he'd end up throwing it away.But I think he's moved past that.
I think he's gotten into a groovewhere he's now when he gets in he'll
go and make a score. Theproblem is he's been getting in and going,
yeah it is easy, let's andthen gets out for forty six's.
He pointed out that famous he gotforty years out. But yeah, moving
on to the test, really reallyimpressive from India, Like there's no two

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ways to cut it. This isnowhere near India's full strength side. Absolutely
nowhere near in his full strength side. No, Colie, they've had ashro
and missing you know, parts ofthey rested rested to day like yeah,
and they have you know this testtoooed and throwed quite a bit but at
the end of the day, Indiagot to a point where they won relatively

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comfortably. And the thing was,England had their chance. Okay, India
are on the ropes in their firstinnings, and they couldn't they couldn't deliver
the knockout blow. Jeff Jurell thekeeper, and absolutely, I said,
I said, after the closes ofthe England the India innings, I can't
remember how much they trailed by,but it wasn't a lot. I was

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forty in comparison to where they wereone hundred and seventy behind when he came
in and I just said, Indiawill win this game. India will roll
in on here. They'll just mowthrough them for a death streat and score
and chase it down. I hadn'tinavitability about it, didn't it. They
just you could just watch it.They were like, England are like,
yeah, okay, we're right ontop of this game. Here, We're
going to a massively will boss thegame. And then it's got smaller,

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smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller, and you just you felt that when
India finally walked off the when inIndia walked back on the field, there
was just this we feel pretty goodabout being behind by forty and England walking
off that field feeling pretty crap aboutbeing ahead by forty as opposed to being
ahead by one hundred and yeah,and then the end, it just all,

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it all fell in a heap atAsia and Co. Just did what
they did what they always do,and sort of the thirty innings of a
game where it's gone deep and theyjust spin team in circles. You know
what's looking like, Okay, potentiallyforties are pretty good. You know,
it's not a bad lead in India, but yeah, you've got to turn
that into two hundred and fifty.Yeah, so then you're pushing two ninety,
three hundred sort of things. Youlead or even two hundred, get

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yourself to two hundred, so you'relooking about two fifty. And that was
the thing that like, even inthat fourth innings, England kept taking wickets,
but they were never able to nailit down. They were never able
to get in that situation where asoften happens in you where wickets falling clumps,
whereas in the England third in histheir second innings, wickets just kept
falling, falling, falling. Therewas no respite. There was no respite.

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There was cool. Deep Had wasabsolutely brilliant with his leggies. The
control from an left arm leg spinnerwas extraordinary. He was basically landing on
the string. Nobody could pick hiswrong in. He probably could have had
six or seven in that innings andjust the four that he got, but

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yeah, they just busted it afterthey come out for that second inning.
One thing I just like and likeI was, I was pulling for England
to get it and pull one outof the fire because it would have been
nice to finally see this era ofdominance in India, especially with the all
of the Shenanigans that go along withIndian conditions. We're not going to dive
in and we all know we've talkedabout it, had norms in what India

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do when they've you know, theirbacks against the wall in terms of their
pitches and things. It would havebeen nice to go right. Everyone's written
us off, they're telling us Basball'sload of craps not going to work over
India, and just really go evenif just if it Basball works, great,
but even just win, just winwhichever way it is. If it
goes, they go and change gearsand win traditional traditionally, or they win

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a basball, they just get outthere and win. All good to see.
Well, what's really frustrating is thatthere is and it's what I said
initially when when bas ball was firstconceived we had a look at it.
It's a playing style that just hasno accountability at all. And you just
the way they talk about it,this is all good. It's not all
good to be throwng you wicked awayin a testament. But it's even just

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like, oh, well, wedon't feel that bad about losing because you
all said that we were going toget absolutely flogged. And it's like,
really, what does it matter whatwe say? You guys should feel like
you guys should be walking into thisyear thinking that you're going to win,
and then when you lose, feelingcrap about it cares what we think?
What do we know? We're notin that cam you know the English media
and the two arroons on two slipsand the goal we say, basball's crap.

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So you know, if we getclose, it'll be good. We'll
prove them right. Why are youproving us wrong? Why aren't you going
out to win the game? Andthat's just part and parcel of what it
is. There's no accountability. It'sjust it's a gimmick. It's near enough,
is good enough? Or you know, we got closer than we thought
we were going to get all that. You know morally we thought we it's
that whole morally where and it's justand it is it's bas ball is I

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think what's happened is you name meone other Test quality batsman that is debuted
after Joe Root. Ben Stokes isthen all around us. I haven't included
him, but after Joe Root,a genuine quality somebody averages forty five forty

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No, don't have them. Theydon't have the England has a tame.
They reached mid thirties and England donevery well since the mid thousands, well
the mid twenty tens. What havethey done well? They play with good
one day cricket man. So they'vegot it absolute like just like armory of
white ball specialists that will go outand can find the boundary and so that

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all basball cricket is. It's justthis philosophy that they're just going to go
out and get white ball cricketers togo and play white ball cricket in red
ball conditions and when it blows upin their face, they'll just I'll just
you know, spack feel over thecracks and say we're just letting them express
themselves. Well, some of thenonsense comes out from an English camp.
I mean we have Ben Duckett theother day like saying, how England,

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I'll just play I'll play the reversesweep as a front full defense. Oh
yeah, England should be really gettingthe credit because other teams are playing more
regrets because Jase Ball went out andabsolutely smashed his all around the park and
you should be getting credit for that. Well, I guess you get some
credit for the crack bowl and beginbeen in. But hey, he My
judgment is always out on Indian batsmanfirst up in their own conditions, because

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as a general rule, India arevery good at bringing people in who are
playing really good cricket in their ownconditions and then generally do well. I
mean, Joyce Well does look special. He reminds me, do you remember
that when Shikada one first burst ontotheted everything that came up, and even
when he went overseas he was prettygood overseas as well. I think Jaspell
actually just looking at him, hasthat he's got the wear. We've all

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about him, So I don't thinktemperament wise it's going to be an issue.
Just looking at this kid, Imean, he looks like he's born
with a bad in his hand.It looks like he's one of the Like
he's going to be those pillars ofthat you know we had Jada Asia Rowit
Kohley. He looks like it's goingto be when you're moving forward, it's
going to be like the part BoomeraJaiswall sort of. Gil Shulman Gill will

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be that sort of. He's playeda couple of really really good in this
series as well. Hasn't got hasn'tgot the guy that's come under a bit
of pressure, he hasn't delivered asmuch as you would imagine when you've seen
just how dominant he can be.Written one day in a national cricket and
he's thinking why it's a bit likeshy hope. It's just like, why
are you not getting this? Likethere's nothing particularly flamboyant about the way you

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play white or cricket. You justhit good cricket shots you can, that's
what you do. It's no gimmickto you. You look technically perfect.
You played excellent one day cricket.It should do a breeze for you to
translate that into just when you've gotway more time and way more gaps in
the field, and there's just sortof been some teething issues, which is

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not uncommon. I mean, theguy is twenty two and so I think
a lot of the criticism is fairlyunfair on should mun gilly. I just
think from his point of view,he the biggest criticism that I would have
of him, and I love watchinghim. But him and Kay or rap
who I'll sit and watch those it'sthat all day. It is amazing to

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watch beautiful technicians effortless stroke play.I can watch them play any other team,
you'll watch them a bat all day. But when they're playing Australia,
it's not great when they're doing that. Once sit down, Yeah, he
sit down. Should mc gill,I think gets himself into slumps of form
that lasts a little bit longer thanwhat he would like. So he might

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make one hundred and then he'll gosix or seven innings is where he barely
gets twenty. Lack of consistency hasBoonie's problem, which is going to change
the older it gets. Look reallyhis straps around twenty five, twenty six,
twenty seven, and he'll he'll rulethe world. He'll he'll be the
he'll be the guy like he's justhe's so so talented. It is ridiculous

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how talented Sugar Gill is. Butyeah, it's just that really annoys me
about how England just since McCullum andStokes have taken over and I don't know
what happens at their training, whetheror not it's a show for the media
or if it is just you know, do whatever your life, but it
is it is tedious listening to allthe excuses about how it's you know,

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it's not you know, when JoeRoot goes and plays a reverse like lap
sweep straight to gully when the team'sin a bit of strife, lost a
couple of wickets early, how it'sjust oh yeah, well we got close.
Oh yeah, you thought we weregoing to be rubbish and look we
were pretty close. Oh Joe Rootthrew his wicket away, absolutely through his

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wik and away in a period ofthe game where you were vulnerable. And
it's not just show Root, there'slots of them go and throw their wickets
away. I'll do it. Atsome point, someone's got to just,
you know, say the Emperor isnot wearing any clothes and go, can
one of you guys just play aforward defense for half an hour? And
it's interesting because when they actually putin the position in that third inning where

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it was difficult, how a lookhow Crawley got close and look, I'm
not sitting here going England or rubbishand we're amazing because we've done exactly the
same thing playing traditional cricket. ButI just it annoys me that when there
are so obvious temperamental mistakes made,mistakes like dismissals that didn't need to happen,
that if you're just playing sensible cricket, you get yourselves into a much

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better position and you have. It'snot you haven't been beaten through either.
You know, excellent mostly it isexcellent spin bowling. That goes without saying.
But it wasn't the excellent spin bowlingthat beat you. It wasn't prolonged
periods of pressure being applied. Itwas just you being a numpty and not
respecting the game enough to go.It's five days long and we're in a

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bit of strife here, and Ithink and that's going to be when England,
if England are pushing towards this,when they can turn it on and
off, if they get to apoint where they can turn it on off.
You know, say they lose acouple of early wickets and it's Olipope
and Joe root In going all righttoo for not many and they get themselves
out of a hole and then goor then or of it's you know,

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root and Stokes get in. Youknow, they're four down for not many,
and they if they can get intoa position where they understand the moments
of the game and play the momenthow it should be played, as opposed
to just steaming ahead and then doinggetting themselves. But the thing is,
as I said at the beginning ofthis rant, I don't think England have

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the batsman for that. Do thinkthis entire strategy has been made up?
Is because, for whatever reason,the county cricket system is not developing cricketers
that can play through periods of adversity. McCullum and Robert Key and Ben Stokes
have have seen this. I meanwe've had Hamid have a go, We've
had Joe what's his name, RoryBurns, Sibley, Deny, all these

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guys that would be more of yourtypical grinded out sort of batsmen that have
been given goes and then averaging inthe mid to low thirties. And these
are the guys that will go outand they'll score relatively big runs playing in
that sort of fashion at county cricketand get exposed at Test level. So
for whatever reason, they've got okayour test match you know category batsmen that

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you would say typically play Test matchstyle innings. They're not up to standard
to play international cricket. They keepgetting exposed internationally. But we do have
guys like you know, Joss Butlerand Duckett and you know all of these
guys and the Ginger Winder, youknow, Oli Pope and these sort of
players that have shown, you knowthat if you give them a bit of

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love and let them play aggressively,can mix it up with international attacks.
So let's just get them into theTest side, give them a license to
play expressively aggressive cricket and we'll justlet the chips forward they may, and
then they've just turned it basically intointo a religion where it's now they're not.
They're just essentially not accountable, andtimes where it should be expected as

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a coach or as a captain thatyou're like, okay, we need to
knuckle down. It is not working. These are not the conditions to be
going out and playing those sort ofshots. If we just have an hour
of good, sensible cricket, weboss the game. And then they will
go and make missteps like they bassBall cost England the ashes. It didn't
get them a draw, it costthem the ashes, and the same thing.

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I wouldn't say it's going to costthem the series over in India because
it's India and India I've been playingstartling legal cricket when you consider how many
players been coming in and out ofthat side, and their big players have
actually stood up in this series forthem, the guys who've been left day
of a great hundred from Rowerd inone of the Test matches. Jase Ball
has been brilliant coming in Jadasia hasbeen what a series he's had with badan

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Or He's number one all around inthe world, without doubt. Okay,
would okay, I'm going to saythis. I'm going to use specifically use
the word cricketer. Is he thebest Indian cricketer ever? I always look
I grew up watching the great CapitalDev. Jadasia has him covered in a

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number of facets. He's technically abetter batsman. Capal Dev was a fine
batsman, but not as technically proficient, very much along the lines of a
typical number seven, you know,go out and play shots. Whereas Todaysia
is developed into a middle order batsman. He is the premier left arm spinner
in the world. And tell methere's a better further, I think revegend

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Todaysa is the best cricketer ever toproduce from India. India. I don't
think he's the best Indian player ever, but I think he's the best.
I'd still you've got to say Sectionis probably still their best player ever.
But yeah, I have I havevery fond memories of Capal Dev and I
mean to come out here in succeedthe way the Capital Dev came out here

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and succeeded at a time when theydidn't, you know, Indian just didn't
produce fast ball. Was I justdidn't you know? He was like the
standard Barifim for fifteen weeks he finishedhis career as the all time leading wicket
taker and ye he did. Butas far as you with the skill sets

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to steal the baseball term five toolplayer, Asha is just amazing. Judasia
is very good or elite at somany things. That doesn't see me too
many chinks in his game. Yeah, so I think India again have secured
that at three to one with andwith two Tests. Spl speaking of great

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Indian cricketers, how good is jasperformer he is? In those first couple
of Test matches, he was thedifference. He is just an amazing bowler
with a skill set that I don'tthink we've seen from anybody for a long
long time. To be able toproduce that Yorker on demand he wants,

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I'm going to throw it out ofhere too. And I don't often give
this man praise, but I actuallyhave been relatively impressed with Anderson's tour as
well, what he's been able toproduce in limited opportunity. I can't say
that I've got any particular criticians abouthim. What I've seen of him.
He's done what he needs to doand the fact that at his age he's

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still getting that ball and nip aroundhim unfamiliar I'm not friendly. If he
wasn't fit to play, I haveno idea why they played Robinson over him.
Robinson what I've seen that? AndI thought to himself, what the
hell if there's any Robert a bowlerwho if you don't want to play on
slow, low, softish Robinson seesa picture of the sun and starts sweating

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and gets tired. Yeah, that'sand there must have been a problem with
Mark Wood, because Mark Wood,for me in India is the first ball
who England needs to pick because heis that point of difference. He is
fast and he'll come running all dayfor you. The se was the second
test, wasn't it Where they rattledin the Indian top ordered Mark would just

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pace early on a bit of carrywhile the wall was still hard. Not
was it got do you get rugged? Angiswall relatively cheap? And then was
it three or two? You gottwo? Got? I think got both
the openers but made him jump.And that's the thing about Mark where we
can sit here and say, well, he's not the most skillful biler or
whatever, but you don't know tobe overly skillful when you're buy at one

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hundred and fifty k is an hour. You just need to get it somewhere
on the pitch, and he doesthat pretty proficiently. So I was surprised
that they picked a Robinson and benot would yeah unless they've really just thought,
you know, what do we thinkof these two bowlers are just up
against it in these these pitch conditions. They were just not going to wether.

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I've been very impressed with the Englishyoungsters. They're spinners that they've brought
in. Hartley's been very impressive.I don't see him being a guy going
to take everywhere state seeing that he'sgoing to succeed with what he's doing at
the moment, he's not going tosucceed. But she was pretty impressive as
well. But she is a bigturner of the ball man. You don't
reckon, you don't reckon considering whatthey're they're going to try and do as

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a team that Hartley or get goesin England as a sort of that left
arm just nibble it around control likea Jadasia styles little bit that way.
Now, I think in English conditionsI'll go back to Jack Leach. Yeah,
I suppose we forgetting that Leech's andhe's I mean he's in that,
in that dichotomy that McCallum and like, I suppose they're going to give,

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they're going to give sort of loyaltyto the guys that've been there. But
like I just see so much morepotential out of Hartley, better batsman than
Leech. He looks like a muchmore attacking bowld to me, which to
me isn't necessarily what England the problem. And they really like their left arm

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spinners to beholders. He's an honesttoiler, but teams will target him and
a lot of the times you've seenwhen he's picked up wickets, especially in
the ashes, it's been when teamshave overplayed their hand because they go,
all right, we're gonna go hardat Jack Leach, will hit him out
of the attack and we'll tire outthe you know, the slowly fossilizing forms
of broad and James and Anderson gettingthem bowling more overs great, get them

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overs into Ben Stokes's knees, sothat's holding up, so they go hard.
There's there's no respect for Jack Leach, and to be fair, Jack
Leach hasn't really earned respect. Imean he's had some he's ended up having
some good success, but it's it'smore that he's taken people by no one
sitting there going, oh god,they've brought jack Leach on. They're all
like, ah, all right,I might be able to get to my

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fifty before lunch now sort of thing. And I just I just I think
that Leech. I don't see alot of improvement in Leach. So where
does Leech go? I mean,I just don't see that Hartley is going
to be in that McCallum sort ofplan because he's a little bit he brings
a bit more with the ball.But they seem to want in, like

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I saying, in his economy ofthe macaren Stoke created doesn't play a holding
role. That's the thing. Likethey people think because he's a left arm
and doesn't spin the ball, thathe'll play a holding role. But he
just he just doesn't do that.Unless the plan is we'll just give the
we'll give the rubbish bowl or abolt and see if we can. You
know, what is it they saying, gray cricket shit gets wikets that if
we just will will put Jackie onbecause they will go super hard and will

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they maybe they run past one orthe sky one. But honestly, the
way that that Jack Leech has beenand it's through no fold of his own.
I'm not saying that he's a badbowler. He is a good bowler.
He's a Test quality bowler. Butfrom what I've seen more recently,
there've only been a handful of gameswhere he has been effect. Where he
has been he has controlled the tempo, he's picked up a bag of wickets,

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but it's been because teams are goinghard against him and maybe they should
not shouldn't have been going it's hard, But that's been more he has out
fox people. It's been themselves.So I'd love to see Hartley get more
of a go over in English.I think he'd be a guy that would
be really good in English conditions ifyou would give him the because he's a
bit lot taller than Leeks two orunfortunately, I think for Basher, he's

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going to find himself in that samething where he's probably not going to get
a lot of games in England becausethey will play the holding spinner, going
to get the legie that go Ahmed, wouldn't they because he's going again bad
a bit. So yeah, sothey've got some Look, there's been some
good things for England on this tour. There's no doubt about that. I

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think Olive Pope, he's been abit down in the last two Test matches,
he is the next great hope forEnglish. We knew that was coming.
Other than that absolutely miraculous double hundredand what a special innings that was.
I think we call it. Wesaid, you're not going to get
a double hundred out of olivep Hope. I think that's what we said after
that test were England one, thatit's exciting that England won, But I

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think they've sprung out of the groundand they've surprised India and it's taken a
borderline miracle for him to do it. And how often has that miracle And
it turned out that miracle hasn't comeagain. Well, you know, there's
still another test to go. Itmight come again, but the series has
gone by now. But yeah,it just there wasn't another other than Joe
Root. That inning from Joe Roothasn't really been another. Well, duck

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could end up and look at me. Duck had got a hundred, but
Ducket gets one hundred and what doyou get one hundred and eighty or whatever?
It happened to be. He rides. He's luck that fella, And
yes, he's good at these reverseswites, and he's good at finding the
gaps and everything like that. Isee, and he's at the peak of
his game. I see a verysteep drop off for Ben Duckett when people

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finally realize that you just hammer awayabout fourth stamp on a length to him
because he will not leave the ballalone. He's got away of it for
most of his careers so far.The time is coming when people just hone
in on him. You won't insuch good form. You'll be nicking off
all the time. And then let'ssee, because he is a big component

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of basball, him and him andCrawley at the top. Yeah, setting
that tone, setting that tone.Crawley again, you know, flatters to
deceive as usual. Well, you'vegot a forty on in the in the
first and India other day of fortysix balls, but he's out before lunch.
You're an opener, mate. Atwhat stage do you consider that that's

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acceptable? Well, clearly they dofigure that's acceptable because maybe in ten innings
as time you'll come out and playand absolutely bringing in one hundred and win.
You of the game, and youdon't mind that from like a Joyce
Wall for example. I don't thinkIndy would mind that if he came out
and got some blistering starts and someof them like won every seven or eight
innings sends into a really good scoreand the other ones that are, well,

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he's going to be our tone setup. But they've got players behind
that that will back that up.Whereas when everyone's doing it, you can
run the wrist that you all fallin a heap. But you know,
we digress. Going to move onfrom here enough this we have a bit
of a chat about the Chapel Hadleyseries. Still one more test to go.
I really love to see England getwell, not nearly a square up,
but at least a a moral Iwas looking at I was just looking

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at it. Please don't say it, Please don't say it. They have
at times played really well and thatother times they haven't. And I suppose
that's indicative of everyone that goes overIndia. The momentum changes. It's just
what's frustrating more than how they've played, is just how no one wants to
put their hand up and go,yeah, look right, we back ourselves

(46:36):
to do this and this time itdidn't work. We probably should have done
it differently. There's none of that. There's none of this owning up to
what's going on. Humility. Yeah, there's none of this. Yeah,
all right, I can see whyyou're critical of how we went about that.
But this is the way, Likeyou know, there's there's owning up
that you've done it wrong, butowning that's the way you do things.

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Sometimes it's going to work sometimes,but it's not. It's just this is
how we do things and it's notwrong because look, other teams are playing
aggressive or we're a lot closer thanyou thought we were going to be,
and it's just it's nonsense. Justyeah, well it's that time again.

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I think, what the first timein eight years since the dust to Dusty
Old Silver Way. Yeah, sothe Chapel Hadley Trophy is going down.
It's the first time ever. I'mnot mistaken that we have whitewashed New Zealand
for a Chapel Handley. I thinkthey've they've whitewashed us before when it was
a one day series. I thinkthat that year that's Shane Bond decided that

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he is going to he was goingto be too fast for us. He
didn't like anybody that year. Butyeah, so we've won the T twenty
series. What a great game.The first one was Tim David doing Tim
David things, getting that's what wewant him, Isn't this what we've always
advocated about Tim David is we don'treally want him. Well, that's why

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it was never really going to besuccessful in the fifty overtone. We just
want you to come in and facetwenty balls. Man, there needs to
be an expert. And I've seensome people that I actually respect their cricket
opinions quite a lot, talking abouthow we should open with after that immediately
after theirnings, we should open withGlen Axwell and Tim David get their most
destructive hit is hitting facing as manyballs as possible, and no, that

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doesn't work. And I said itto him, I really respect you,
like you was a cricket analyst,and I have very very few criticisms of
your how you go about talking aboutcricket, but this is one of them.
And it's every time someone like thathas an innings like this, your
call is immediately to have them battingin the top three or four or even

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open and that's not Tim David's goTim David. Let's not get around.
Tim David is a very limited batsman. He has his I call it's not
exactly but I call it his golfswing. You bowl it in that arc
anywhere that he can dispatch that tothe leg side and he will look a
million bucks. But even in listA cricket when they've attempted to have him

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higher up the order, we've seenin the One day game where he was
frustratingly ineffective. When he's got toplay for a long period of time,
he isn't that. This is whathe does. You send him out there,
clear of mind. That's the legside boundary. Get the ball over
there. You've got I reckon it. He should his position in the batting
order should be after sixteenth over.That's where he's listed after sixteenth over.

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If we're two down and we losea wicket after sixteenth over, he comes
in at five. If if we'refive down, he comes in at seven.
Sort of. Then you get himthere for that end and let him
do his thing. That's what TimDavid is and he will win you World
Cups doing that which he is.He's not going to do it every game.
You have to understand that, asI said, he's a very limited
batsman. He is a very onedimensional batsman. He's doesn't we have a

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lot of like scoring skills outside orwere rapidly scoring skills outside of dispatching it
over midwicket, long on, straighthitting sort of thing, anywhere you can
clear that front leg and go.Yeah, he's not the kind of guy
that's going to dab it into gapsand you know, building things that way.
And that's fine. We don't wanthim to be. It's not what
we need him to be for theT twenty side. But moving on,

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we don't want to talk about justJim David all that fantastic series. I
thought they were all really well contestedgames. They were really he said,
probably that ranging affected one. Thatreally was a bit of an anti climax
at the end of the day.Whoever batted first in those conditions is always
going to have the advantage. TheKeeways were never really in the hunt to
chase down that ridiculously high total thatthey had off ten overs or whatever it

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was, you know, one hundredand ten overs. That's just absurd.
Yeah, Duckworth Lewis was not theirfriend for that particular one. What about
some of the individual performances that wehad in that series. But there were
guys who I was really pleased tosee do well. Was Matt Short?
Oh yeah, Matt sure. Ifhe has to stamped his tickets, he

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needs me. He's going to theCaribbean. He needs to Smith going,
No, I don't have him either, which hurts me. It hurts me.
It hurts me to say I can'tsee a spot for Smith. If
he's going to about he's going tobat as an opener. Warner is going
to be an opener. And thenyou've got head Head, You've got Mars,
You've got Mars, You've got potentiallyEngland. There's so many options that

(51:28):
you could put there. It's notworth having Smith there as a We like
in the way that this batting lineupis starting to sort of jell out that
these guys coming. They're very specificin their positions. I would like to
see Matt Shore bat and Hiro inthe order, but he seems to have
taken this this flogging roller. MattShaw will open the batting after the World

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Cup, Warn will retire and thatwould and that will be Matt Short spot
he'll bat at the top with TravisHead Marshall come into three, Maxie will
bat there and or MAXI decides togive it away. I think we'll have
to go and find someone else,which is you know, it's not a
huge deal, YEA. Thinking thatwould be someone like maybe a Jake Frasier
McGirk or something like that. We'vewe've got a few options there that we

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can just phraze somebody and Olie Davies. Depending on how much time Maxwell decides
to keep going at it for there'stime for those young sort of guys to
come in. Yeah, I'm notso I'm happy with that. And then
you've got you know, maybe you'reall round and then so like an Aaron
Hardy coming in a so English willcome into five and then you have your
Aaron Hardy or your Stowliness or yourcam Green. Are we really taking the

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steying? Look, if it wasa one day World Cup, no T
twenty World Cup, maybe like hewas pretty good like the T twenties before
the Chapel heavily he was arguably oneof our best players. So I don't
think necessarily the riding is on thewall four storm. I would take Hardy.

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Hardy would be the guy that wouldbe in my starting eleven, but
I think Staying has probably done enough. Considering he's still there, I can't
see them him. Then. Thegood thing about him is he's back bowling
again and he seems he had theknack of picking up handy wickets. So
I could never really fathom him justin the team as a batsman. He

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doesn't bring enough just as a batsman. And then he said his best game
for Australia was his first one.And then you go Tim David seven,
you're the six to half or sixteas maybe yeah. And then you go
your bowlers, which will be thebig Stark Hazwood commons Zamps comings coming to

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be there for the World Cup,like he will be, whether or not
I believe he should be in thefirst eleven. To be honest, I'd
almost try to see like get awaywith having two left armors. I'd have
Berendorf and star Stark opening the bowling, and surely we're taking Nathan Ellis.
Yeah. Ellis would go for formy my team. Heading into Game one

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of the World Cup, I wouldhave Warner head marsh maxi English at five.
I would have Hardy, David.Then I would have Stark, Berendorf,

(54:23):
Zamps, Hazelwood. So I'm gettingone two, so I've got what
what's that five five four, sotwenty overs. Well, I've got sixteen
overs out of that for pace,get some overs out of Zamps. If
I wanted the extra bowler, maybethen you go a match short instead of

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someone. But so you've got TravisHead, You've got Mitch Marsh there.
So there's so whether or not beingin the Caribbean or America that you want
to try and fit in MAXI forgettingMexican. So yeah, so that'd be
that would be my I have,yeah, my starting line up, Yeah,
Warner Warnerhead, Marsh, Maxwell,English, Hardy, David, Behrendorf,

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Star, Zamps, Hazel That wouldbe a lot. I really think
that i'd have. That is thenucleus of the squad. That we should
be taking Cummens and Ellis's reserve bowlersoff coming off the bench. I take
Agar as a reserve spinner. Arewe taking a potential pick like a Phraser

(55:28):
m girl, No, not toa World Cup. You got early World
Cup, he's barely debuted. Iwouldn't take the World Cup on the bench.
So what that's eleven is a squadof squad. If it's a squad
of fifteen, I would take Short, Wade, Oh no, because that's

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too many. Well, I needtake Commons, Cummens, Ellis, Short,
Waide. Make it sixteen. Wemake it as a squad of sixteen.
I've been taken Matt Short, MattWade, Ellis, Cummens, and
Ager would be my reserve players.I know I've got a spot Frager.
I've got him on the back.I haven't got him starting. But he's
a guy that he's sort of driftedaway from the scene at the moment.

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You know where it's been injuries orwhatever. As a backup spinner. If
you're going to go a back up, front line spinner for for a T
twenty World Cup. Now, notfor a World Cup, not yet.
There's still a lot of growing thereto do. He will be He's in
the natural air, apparent to thewhite ball game. Once Zamp has given
it away, there's heaps of time. I like Agar, He's been there,
he's done it before. He isan excellent, excellent holding bowler in

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twenties. He's a fantastic fielder andlike as as much as he has a
contributed as much we'd like with thebat. He's a guy that he's got
him eight for example. He's aguy that is a perfectly adequate number eight
for a T twenty side. Youknow he's got some shots in him.
You know that he's smart enough thatif he's in there with a David or

(56:59):
an English or a marsh that he'sjust going to run his ass off and
get them back on strike. Likehe knows the score. He's experienced.
He's a former like T twenty Playerof the Year medalist for Australia, like
the guy he's got two six ersin in T twenty Prigate. Yeah,
if if he's fit, I'm takinga Gar to the World Cup. He's

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not starting, he hasn't played enoughPrigate to start, but as a backup
spinner, like ideally he doesn't playa game. He is there. If
we know that Maxi and Zamp's gotthe job done in an ODI World Cup,
they should be more than enough toget the job done in a T
twenty World Cup. The only waythat Agar gets a run is if there's
an injury to Zampa and the wicketssay that you're not going to get it.

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You need to have a front linespinner. You can't just get away
with playing the extra quick. Doyou think that now after this New Zealand
series, that we've had a lookat all of these guys, the selectors
have a very pretty much in alow in who they've got to go the
twenties. Yeah, so I'm justyeah, I don't really I don't have

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a place for the storin. Idon't have a place for Smith. I'm
struggling to have a place for Cummins. Comens will go out of experience,
like and I think I just thinkhe is in our best in all formats,
He's in our best. Well,if you go, if you say

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you're going to take five quicks,there aren't five. There aren't five better
fast bowlers at one day or Ttwenty cricket than Pat Cummins in the country,
Like considering what he has been ableto do recently, Like I don't
necessarily know if he'd walk into mystarting eleven like he will, Like let's
be real, if the selectors will, he'll play game one. But I

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would be in those conditions knowing whatbere and Doorphan start could do. Could
you imagine the damage that if yougave them four overs, so two overs
with the new ball, you couldreally did Berendorf and start get it right.
Swinging that ball around corner. Theycould skittle teams. Berendorf is a
guy that you could just bowl for. He bowl first, first eight overs.
You have Berendorf just bowl out upthe top just while it's hooping,

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and then just stuck him off andbring on a gun field. Now that's
not allowed, but yeah, Berendorfhas done enough. Like he won,
He's not in that squad. Hejust won the T twenty Player of the
Year as well, so surely thatwould indicate that he would be in your
starting eleven for a World Cup.Sign Stark is Stark, Hazelwood's hazel would

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I think Hazelwood and comings off youSuth, that's relatively similar. But yeah,
I don't know. I don't necessarilythink that they'll go that way.
I think they'll use the Test bowlersand Berendorf will be used as the as
the spell bowler in case they wantto rest dark that'll be He'll be the
backup left arm swing bowler, whichI think is a mistake. But you

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know, I'm not a professional Creodcoach. What do I know? Anyway?
What does it matter? So movingon, I'm circling all the way
back. We've got a little offtrack. They're talking about Chapel had Lee.
I want to throw this at youbecause I think one of the biggest
things that we have really failed atas a cricketing country is we have not
nurtured this rivalry. Right when NewZealand we're getting really good, we've lost

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their golden generation because we refuse toplay cricket against them the whole time that
they have been one of the eliteteams. We have played stuff, all
cricket against them. We should beplayed and I think that there's something that
we should have done is every everythree years they're over here, so they're
either you know, we have threeone to three, so we say this
starting them this year we play NewZealand in a three Test series. Three

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years later we go and play NewZealand and three Test series in February.
So we don't sacrifice having a busyhome summer over here, but we need
to play a lot more cricket ofwhat we're doing. So one of the
thing I wanted to chuck at youis how would you feel moving forward?
Because another thing that annoys me atthe Chapel Hadley Trophy is that it changes

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depending on when we can be botheredorganizing three consecutive games in the same format.
I've seen Chapel Hadley trophies that havebeen a test series. I've seen
Chapel Hailey trophies that have been oneday series. I've now seen a Chapel
Hailey Trophy be a T twenty series, which I think is really disrespectful.
You would never agree, never thinkof turning the Ashes into a five to
one day series or a five Ttwenty series, and I have no issues

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with it being a one day series. I actually thought the Chapel Hadley one
day is on Channel nine were reallyentertaining. I've seen quite a few Chapel
Hadley one day series, but whenthey came out a couple of years ago,
it was the Chapel Hadley Test Series, and it annoys me that they
can just be picked up and movedto whenever we could be bothered having three
consecutive games in the same format.How would you feel about stealing something from

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the women's game and turning the ChapelHadley into a rotating multi format series.
That'd be interesting, wouldn't it bookended with a Test? Yeah, and
then having say we even just goto to too, so well that's a
Test, that's a Test. Twoone days, T twenty is a Test.
And then you just do that anddo it according to points, do

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it according to points. Obviously theTest matches would counter towards the World Test
Championship, so it's a drawn seriesand all that sort of everything goes around
doing that. But if we're notgoing to make the time to go and
dedicate a three Test match series tothe Chapel Hadley, I thought that could
be an interesting way of having acake. And we're definitely need to be

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playing against these guys more because theyI mean, yes, the Golden generation
is rapidly passing, but there looksto be some talented players, good players
coming through as well, so Idon't see New Zealand dropping down the rankings.
What was the name of that fastoldthat took a bunch of wickets on
Devu against South Africa? Oh man, I really should have prepped for this

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a ro overall. How good washe in that series? And he's going
to be the guy that hopefully willstick around and play a lot of Test
cricket. And if they can rebuildKyle Jamison as well so he stops breaking
down all the time, that's themakings are still very very arguably, and
I say this with the utmost respect, arguably a better attack than what they
had in their prime. Yeah,just just for the ability to generate more

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pace and more trouble for the batsman. The potential that those guys could be
better than south the and Bolt andwhoever the third quick at the time was.
And I don't mean that as adisrespect to see out the Bolt.
They're incredible players, but I justas how much I rate especially Jameson.
Jameson looks like and it can battoo. Yes, thinks like a really

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good cricket bat. Look, Ihave no doubt that I think this is
actually going to probably be a verycompetitive Test series. One thing I have
been noticing over the last couple ofyears, and I watch a lot of
the cricket in Newsale, their wicketshave always presented as very green, but
they don't necessarily, certainly on thefirst day behave like a green top.

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They flatten out. They flatten outreally quickly. But what they soon to
be doing is they're a little bitmore there in the second and the third
days. That's what seemed to behappening in the South Africa New Zealand series,
where the second and the third daysof moving days in both test matches
because somebody will get on a rolland not the opposition over pretty quickly.

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They've got a couple of questions toanswer themselves to Kiwoi's about where they're going
at the moment and what's their bestteam. I'm not sure they know exactly
what sort of what their best teamactually is. They need to have Daryl
Mitchell in that middle order. Withouthim, they are not the same.
It's very strong with the lord ofthat. When you go Williamson ratching Ravenda

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and Daryl Mitchell there at three,four five, and then you probably have
Henry Nichols at sit averages forty intest cricket, there's there's some talent that's
a pretty solid. I want oneway to finally start getting some runs in
the white clothing. He struggled abit facing the red ball. I just
think he's probably been people working outover a period of time. You know,
he's a typical left hander. He'salways going to be that little bit

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suspect on that third and a halffourth stump line going across, going and
crossing. He handles the ball comingback in really well. But that's a
ball that pitches middle, middle andoff, just angling across him a little
bit on that length where he can'tget forward or back, and he's a
feeler for the ball. He likesto feel for the ball. So look,

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I think I think it's going tobe a very competitive Test series and
I think the Australians have got somegot some questions to the answer as well.
I mean they've vaunted batting lineup allsummer, looked vulnerable and you know,
let's be honest, the Pakistan andthe West Indian bowling attacks are not
particularly well credentialed. Absolutely love Joseph. He is my second favorite player on

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the planet right now, outside ofSteve Smith. He's always been number one.
I love you Steve, but yeah, Shamar Joseph. What an absolute
superstar he is. But realistically,looking at that we only faced in the
other year. We weren't particularly impressedby Keemar Oach. We're particularly by Ourzari
Joseph, like they bowled very well, but like they weren't coming. No

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one's going, oh God Keemar's backor God Azari's back, Like there wasn't
that element of fear. The Pakistanbowling attack were basically into cricketing parlants are
in their diapers, like who arethey? These guys are just no one
who's there? And they kept theAustralian batting lineup really really honest. A
lot of times if our attack wasn'tas good as it is was the difference.

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It wasn't really our batting, itwas our bowling that was, you
know. Our bowling attack was youknow, as well as they played,
was much better than theirs. Butyeah, they kept an Australian attack that
was feeling pretty good themselves. Australianbatting line up was pretty good about themselves.
Really in check, no one reallygot away, No nobody did get
away. He had got one hundred, Warner got a hundred. But outside

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of that, there's a few likereally good fifties that were scored. And
Marnas is a bit of an issuefor us, I think at number three
at the moment when he's not battingwell and he's not batting well at the
moment he's been found out with thatreally pacy ball and that full stump line
that's lifting at him. I thinkif Marnas wasn't twenty nine, he's a

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prime category for just a spell inShield Made. Yeah, it's he's not
a bit wobbly. Yeah, he'sobviously quality, but he hasn't toured very
well so and now he's wobbly athome. So it's gonna be a big
series for Marnus, I think,because you know we are getting a bit
older. We obviously not going todrop Smith. We're not going to drop

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Kowajo, We're not going to dropmarsh We're not going to drop Travis Head.
They've got plenty of runs in thebank. Cameron Green, we have
moved heaven and Earth to get in. So you feel that he's going to
be given an extended run. Ifthere's going to be any wobbles in that
top order, then it smarness asthe fall guy, because we're not going
to drop Steve Smith because that willend his career. And it's Steve Smith.

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The average is nearly sixty. Hewill be given. He'll be like
you tell us when you want togo. If We're going to let Warner
tell us when he wants to go. Smith could basically commit murder and still
be like. They'll be like,all right, Steve, we're going to
arrest you and send you to toto jail after you've retired. After when
you retire straight to lock up.You're going to be wearing orange for Little

(01:08:38):
Green whatever it is here for therest of your life. But we respect
you too damn much as a batsman. So when you retire from cricket,
that's when you go, like,that's that's the amount of leeway they're going
to give Smudge. If they're goingto give Warner that sort of you tell
us when and we'll have this.We'll have the party out Smith. Smith
will be able to call time onhis career. So they're not going to
drop Smith. They will figure outa way to move Smith into somewhere we

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can score some runs again, Kawaja. They've already dropped him his forty his
way back. They know that theydrop him again, that's it. Job
done. And this team is thismanagement side of the Australian team is gun
shy to end careers. We've seenthat. We've seen it with Warner,
We've seen it with Finch. Theydon't want to they don't want to end
a storied player's career. But ifthere's time, we're going to come back.

(01:09:23):
Yeah, okay, we'll drop you. We dropped Cameron Cameron Green.
We knew there was time for himthe comeback, so they have not who
she's doing that. But I thinkif it's like, well, why are
we really going to call back athirty seven year old was when Kwaja or
if he goes through, he goesthrough a rough patch done. So they're
not going to call time on anyone'scareer. Travis Head they're not going to

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call time on because he's been oneof the best players going around. So
yeah, Marnus is Malnus is gonnaneed to get some runs. He's young
enough to be dropped, and youknow there is some promising young kids coming
through that they may decide to toBlood. Yeah. I don't really could
be. You know, that couldbe the excuse to get Bancroft back into

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the side, move Smith down tothree again. We know it's not going
to happen, but I mean thatthere is options there to fill. I
feel if you're going to do that, you take a chance of one of
the younger guys. Yeah, youget like a hope it's not Frazer McGurk.
But you're not going to pick Lookjust because pointing things, that's a
good idea. I don't necessarily agreeof that for the Ashes in a companies.

(01:10:29):
No, no, no, nono. I want to see him.
I want you to you go toAshes. I want you to have
five first class hundreds before you goanywhere. Mate. Yeah, okay,
his potential is in the shorter formgame at this point in time. I've
got no issues at all with himbeing blooded in and anything that's not a
World Cup. You can pick himfor every biolateral, T twenty and one
day in a national series. We'vegot perpetuity. You can just like pencil

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him in there. Put him inthere now, just go. We're picking
a fifteen man squad every one dayand T twenty series. So the next
five years it isn't a World Cup, we'll have a Fraserburgurk. And I've
got no issues at all none.Get him in there, exposing as much
of white ball cricket. The kidis USA's potential. It's just really I'm
not handing out of baggy Green becausehe's whacked a few six's in the Big

(01:11:16):
Bash and looks like a million bucks. No way, no way, you
go and score some first class runs, first class hundred's mate as the currency
that you're early in the beginning inthe Test, Tam, I think,
yeah, look, there there aresome questions that need to be answered about
this Australian lineup, and only timeI think certainly we're going to get some
answers in the next twelve daily MassI think what, I really don't think

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that our the test top six thatwe see tomorrow is going to look anything
like that in twelve marks, yeah, I would be Yeah, twelve to
eighty months, it's going to looka lot different. I could see Smith
Kwaja both being gone, both gone. If Marnus doesn't produce in the next
twelve months of anything, and MitchMarsh has a has a bad spell,

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I think Marsh will probably be givena little bit of he'll give be given
that Travis Head for Eatman, Ithink a little bit that you know,
we know what we're getting. He'sgoing to be a guy that's going to
go hard and sometimes that's not goingto pay off, but when it does,
it does so Carry as well.Carrie's a guy that's there is some
Joshings is looking good. There's Philippygoing around as well. There are some

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you know, and he's not youngeight, he's thirty two. I think
Carry so as much as I loveAlex Carry, he's a guy that wouldn't
you wouldn't say it is locked infor the next No. He he's never
really quite nailed it down, hashe Carry? I mean, he's been
really really good. He's also beenfairly average at times, and you've always
had that feeling that he's never quiteput his foot on the front time you

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think all right here it is hewill just go. And it's not so
much the output, it's the wayshe gets dismissed, like when he gets
out. He looks bad getting out, like that run, the real slump
in the One Day game, likeeveryone thought after that World Cup in England
where he got smacked in the jawand batted out for a gritty sixty or

(01:13:12):
something, it's like, yeah,that's our keeper for a while, Alex
Carey. And then he backed itup not long after that with a like
a rearguard hundred with Maxie In wona game it's like, Oh, Kerry,
that Carry's going to be the keeperforever. Good is his Carry?
I get him in the Test teamalready. And then he went through a
real slump where he just couldn't facespin at all. In the one day
game, he just find ways toget out and then lost his spot to

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Josh Inglish, said Greg Ingliss.Then that would be quite a sight to
see Greg Inglis behind it. Butyeah, and I think that's with Carry,
when it's when it's not clicking forhim, it's very obvious that it's
not clicking for him. It's notlike you remer. Michael Hussey went through
that sort of rough patch where hejust looked fine and then all of a

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sudden he be out. It's like, what what happened? Why did you
what? And it just like andit's look, I don't think I'm out
of form. I'm just out ofluck. Like I'm hitting and amazing in
the nets, I'm feeling really good. I just end up nicking one that's
got my name on it or missingone that hits me in. But you
don't get that with Carry, don'tget this sort of like where did this
come from? You're just their innings. He walks out there and you're like,

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well, I hope Stark's got hispads on because I don't think it's
going to be a while. Andit just, yeah, it just never
never doesn't look like nerves. Itjust looks like, okay, it's just
not on today's gerry. It's justit's not gonna happen. And I have
no doubt that Josh and Gluis hasalready made replacement for him in the team.
I mean, he's keeping has beenoutstanding for Australia. What he brings

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to the bat is it's different tocarry what I what I do like about
Carrie is that in theory he isthe opposite to Head and Marsh. He's
a guy that, in theory shouldbe able to give you stability. Whereas
when Gil Chris was around, wehad a whole top order that did their

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job. And you've got Gilly it'slike, all right, we're five down
for one thousand, go out thereand have some fun. Whereas you know
we could in you know, ifthings don't go right and Head and Marsh
overplay their hands, we could gofrom three down to five down for not
a lot. And Carrie when he'splaying at his best, is a guy
that will dig you out of thathole. I don't see English as that

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guy. I see English more asthat Gilchrist type. And I probably would
ideally like one of Travis Head orMitch Marsh to be a hussy like number
six, a man for all seasonsmore than a seaball hit ball sort of
player. Before I'm comfortable, Ireally hate to go all right, We've
got Head Marsh English and we gofrom three down to six down in ten

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over sort of thing. And ifit all pays off, we'll go from
three down to six down for aboutfour hundred runs. But if it doesn't
pay and I just but the thingis carry doesn't offer he's offering none of
that at the moment. If he'snot informed, he's not giving you that
reguard action. So you go fromthree down to six down. So it's

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just a bit of a it's abit of a worst case scenario when you've
got two guys that are just goingto go hell for leather, and then
if the wicket keeper comes in andgoes health a lover, you can just
see it all falling down around you. In tough conditions, of course,
but that being said, like careis really inconsistent. When it's not happening
for him, he doesn't offer youthat reguard. Would we go somewhere outside

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of those two and maybe look ata guy like Jimmy Pearson. I think,
yeah, well I don't think he'dskip English. I just think that's
something to be aware of. Englishis the next guy like it is he's
playing white ball cricket for Australia,you would imagine that. You know,
he's got a relatively stable first classrecord, it just makes sense for him
to be the next guy out.I'm not saying don't pick English. I'm

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just saying that's something to factor in. Is that you've got three dashes from
five, six and seven, soyou know, hope someone's got the wherewithal
when it's not going well to justlet's just take it easy. But yeah,
I would think Peers and for whateverreason, if Kerry got injured and
for whatever reason English was unavailable,Peason would be for mine and the next

(01:17:17):
guy out. And I think Peersonis very much that guy that is that
when you prefer a rock and ahard place peace and will do what needs
to be done, if that isgo out and play a swashbuckling innings.
You'll play splashbuckling one if it's onewhere you need to knuckle down and bat
with Steve Smith, who's still inon sixty, he'll go out and he'll
do the hard work. Yeah,I'm not saying yet. The pecking order

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is Kerry English peers, and Idon't think you skip English unless he's injured.
Al Right, well, I thinkthat might wrap us up. We'll
get very excited for Test trigget tobe starting tomorrow, so nine am,
nine am, so best of luckto everyone, not so much luck to
the Kiwis, but still is themonicum of luck. Yeah, it's great
to be it will be the lastTest cricket that well to say us play

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for a little wall. It's allgoing to be ball as we get ready
for World Cups and such, soenjoy what we can. We'll be back
as soon as we can after obviouslywith the rep of the first Test,
depending on how everything goes this week. So until then us we will catch
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