Episode 181 - Fresh Faces in White

The two Aarons look at the latest battle between England and the West Indies. Australia are preparing for a white ball tour to Scotland and England and their Limited Over squads are flush with some fresh faces as the Aussies look to the future Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
Hello everyone, and welcome back to another episode of Two
Slips Like Gully. It is Aaron Squared with you tonight.
I'm joined my mother co host Aaron. How are you mate, mate?
I am going very very well and really excited to
be talking some cricket. It's freezing cold here, but it's
a bit of chat about cricket will get the blood
warmed up nice. That is right. We are smack bang
in the middle of the Australian winter and it has

(00:46):
been a particularly harsh one. I feel all out when
our neck of the woods.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Yes, three thirty in the morning. It's not particularly spicy.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
Cold that one, but noreal going on here really at
the moment. But the beauty about cricket is it is
one of the global games up there with soccer, and
there's plenty of it going on there is all around
the world, so we have got lots to talk about.
Strangely enough, though, we do have some Australian relevant cricket news,

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so we're having a chat about that later. We've had
the White Balls squads announced for the upcoming tour to
Ireland and England for the One Day International Series and
the T twenty International Series over there, and there's also
been whispers in the shadows of a surprising recall for
a an Australian cricketer. We probably would have thought that

(01:38):
the Baggy Green was dead and buried for their career.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
But they going over to these places where he's very
suited to be in the team. So it's you know,
is this going to be a perennial thing that every
time we go on in the subcontin and we whisper
this man's name.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
Possibly if you haven't guessed, we're talking about that is,
of course the big show Glenn Maxwell. I should probably
say the medium show moment. He hasn't really Yeah, has
been selling too many tickets.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, medium grade and he's off Broadway at the moment.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
And so we'll have a chat about everything around some
bolters to the white ball squads, plus a potential recall
for Glenn Max. A bit later on our first up,
we are going to have a chat about probably our
favorite cricketing subject I'd say that doesn't involve Australia, and
that would be the West Indies and their tour to England,

(02:29):
which unfortunately has not really yielded any great results for
West Indies, Vans or even Neutrals. Really it's unfairly one sided.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah, look I would digress with some of that. I
certainly think in the first Test they were fairly comprehensively outplayed.
They just didn't come to terms of the way the
ball moves around in England gumption.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
Obviously, it was probably the best batting conditions and they're
going to see you for a while. So a couple
of them stand up in the first innings and then
all all went horribly wrong in the second. But we'll
get to that in just a little bit. We've got
plenty of cricket coming up and so we'll get to
that right after this. Okay, So the Test series between

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what I believe is basically everyone's second favorite team unless
you are from the West Indies. Being the West Indies.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Yes, we've any true cricket fan I think these days
has a real soft spot for the Wendy's and hoping
you're I'm really hoping that people are that they're going
to get it together.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
I tilt between the Windys and South Africa. It's my
second favorite team. I've got a real good especially that
Graham Smith and Dale Stain and Dibilities and those guys.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
But yes, yeah, but different animal.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
If the West Indies are playing anyone, I'm going for them,
unless it's Australia and in which case it's just like,
I really hope we don't beat them too badly.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yes, well, after what they did was the last time
they come out here, we needed possibly a little bit
of respect.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
Because that's why Shama Joseph is my second favorite cricket
the world's right after Steve Smith. Hasn't had the return
that lots, but it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
He hit quite a long ball though, oh yeah, oh
my goodness, it's going about one hundred and fifty meters
and smashed tiles on the roof.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
Of the pavilion breaking stuff.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
That's pretty cool really.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
We'll start with the first Test. England won this one
by an innings one hundred and fourteen runs, so it
was a fairy comprehensive victory. I also happened to be
James Anderson's last Test match at Lord's and he ended
up with what he ended up with. It was four
wickets for the game, fell short of warning.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
And didn't that cause a stink.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
The one thing that I would say coming out of
that test is why did they forced him out? Well,
I watched some video reports that's when I was on
holidays about interviewing Anderson, and he was perfectly prepared to
keep soldiering along for another year maybe two. He in

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no way he thought law was going to be his last.
Why would they not have let him play the rest
of his series at the very like, it just seemed
a really odd.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Odd way.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
Just give him, give him the one. Lord's So why
would Old Trafford not be If you're going to give
him one, why would it not be Old Trafford which
is his home? But he shows that he still got it.
He just took a seventh in the county game before
the Test.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
He came out and bowled very well in this game again,
I mean didn't get didn't get the reward in in.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
The That was because Gus Atkinson came out and took seven.
For what a way to start his career. Looked very
very sharp, should be a player. I know that they've
got the Ashes in mind and trying to win them
back on Australian soil, the first time they would have
done that since twenty ten eleven, And they're going to
need pace and bounce to do that, and he certainly

(05:51):
looked like he was a lively bowler. But I just
I can't with England's propensity for rotating bowlers. I just
don't see why Anderson had to have a bit like
that because I just made this unilateral decision. It seems
from the interviews that I've caught from from James Anderson,
it hasn't been a sort of a mutual thing. They've

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basically just said, say, you're going this is you know,
we couldn't get rid of David Warner, like he hadn't
around for so long, and James Anderson, they're just on
the one hand they're like he's the greatest fast bowler
in the world, like who's ever lived, He's taken all
these wickets and just outrageously overrating him. And then the
other they're pushing him off the bridge, like I just

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don't get it, Like surely he's in the top five
or six fast bowlers that you could continue rotating him
in for favorable matchups and you know, maybe let him
get worn and get to number two all time. And
like it's just seems that was but part.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Of the big blow up over there in England online
is that they're all going well, he's still doing so
great and now he can't get past warning and it's
not you know, the decisions made by the people who
are in charge of your game.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
You could sort of understand it. Anderson came to the
party going, look, I can't handle anymore. I'd love to
I'd love another crack to get on the honest board
at Lord's. Give me Lord's and then I'll ride off
into the sunset and you can start blooding some new guys.
But he wants to keep playing. And on the other
side of things, they didn't blood any new guys. They've
got it was it a thirty five year old Chris Wokes,

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who I believe is sort of like a cricket vampire,
or if he leaves the shores of England he ceases to.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yeah, pretty much, he's got an.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
Awful away record, but they're persisting with him at thirty five.
And then the immediate replacement for James Anderson was a
thirty three year old Mark Wood.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah. Look. The thing about Mark Wood, though, I will say,
is due to his injury concerns and everything, he hasn't
played the amount of cricket that a normal thirty three
year old fast ball would have played under normal circumstances.
So I tend to look at him very much. He's
still got good three or four years in the wheels
he's showing at the moment was frightening a couple of

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those overs he bowled in that field.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
Certainly he's not on his like he's not about to
fall where he might be about to fall apart, but
he's not about to fossilize before our eyes. But it's like, oh,
we need to start thinking for the future and thinking
younger James. That's why we're looking in a different direction.
And then so it's Wokes and would It's like, well,
why would this not have been one of you younger
guys like giving you pots or someone like that, or
a young fellow.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Got another fellow there called on Dylan Pennington. I think
he's aim Is and he's another guy who is up
around that ninety ninety five miles per hour mark on
hundred and forty five k's that they are going to
need to bring to Australia because if they haven't. One
thing I think about McCallum and Stokes is they think
is about the game, and they would realize, after what's

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happened in the past, you can't come out here with
military medium paces.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
It would show the blueprint and he raped up especially
malnus Lavish and made life difficult in that for that
four nill ashes defeat they just had. It was the
fact that they couldn't really build any pressure at the
other end through their spinners or through the Australians weren't
scared about losing their wicket to Anderson abroad in the
most part because of they've been there, done that. In

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Australian conditions, their spinner was next to useless and their
batsmen wouldn't give them a platform that they could really
bowl to. So but you could see that Wood's pace
was unsettling Glaviorshane was at the peak of his powers
at that point and was being roughed up. So yeah,
so pace and bounce looks like that's the way they're looking,
and they looks like they've found a couple of good ones.

(09:38):
Moving on to the actual game itself, as I said,
Gus Atkinson took twelve for the game, seven for in
the first, five for in the in the second. The
Windys well there there's nothing really, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
In that game, when you can't put together two hundred
and sixty runs between two winnings is on a pretty
good batting service. I mean there was no real terrors
in the wicket. There's a little bit of movement in
the air, there's a little bit of scene, but nothing
that was there.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
They b added for a total of eighty nine overs.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Yeah that in Test matches old but that is just
not good enough, I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
But for England on the other side of the ball,
so obviously they did very well with the ball with
the willow in hands. Contributions all the way down Crawley,
a nice seventy six would have been a nice way
for him to start his summer. Fifty from Olipoe, sixty
from Joe Root, fifty from Brook and then quite a

(10:33):
nice introduction for Jamie Smith. Seventy or seventy exactly, I
should say.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
They've been talking about him for a while and I
mean you have a look at seventy or one hundred
and nineteen balls, eight fours and two six's not a
bad way to start. That's very similar to a way
as certain Australian we could keep it started his career
in his first Test match.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
And it looked really solid with the gaps as well. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
Well, I mean that's the interesting thing that I find
that England had this toss up. I mean, I personally
think they've got the best wicket keeper in the world
in Ben Folks. I think he's just an amazing wicked keeper.
Certainly it's under all conditions to all types of bowling,
but if you're looking for that X factor with the bat,
then he doesn't have that. So it swings roundabout. So

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I mean, at some stage I'm pretty sure Jamie Smith
will make a mistake that everybody's going to look at
him and go or Ben Folks wouldn't have done that.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
Yeah, I suppose that's the thing. That's the tricky part
of being a wicket keeper is that it's so hard
to quantify, Like you're looking at a spreadsheet and it's
really hard to quantify your wiketkeeper in terms of wicket keeping.
So far, far too often wicketkeepers tend to be judged
on their production with the bat, and I suppose the

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thing for a wicket keeper is you want to at
least hold your own with the bat and not be
noticed with the gloves, because if you're not being noticed
with the gloves.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
You're not making mistakes.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
You're not making mistakes, you're very rarely or really remember
the speckys that you've taken or the good solid stumping
or your solid work behind the gloves, you know, not
containing too many buyers. But everyone remember if you miss
a and really miss a straightforward run out or straightforward stumping,
or you know you put down one which you know

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you know you go with one hand when you should
have gone with two, and or you know you make
a real bad miss, you'll get those remembered. So all
I can suggest at the moment if you're a guy
that's not as good as the gloves with but with
as Ben Folks, is, do your job with bat and
don't get noticed with the gloves. And if you don't
get noticed, you're on your way to probably having at

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least a fairly successful career. And that doesn't go over ring.
Let it goes for any young we could keeper out there. Unfortunately,
obviously your coaches will have we'll be able to see
a lot more of what you're doing. But in terms
of the media and people like us they comment on
the game, it tends to be we don't have I
can't tell you exactly what's you know, how you know
their reaction time or how many buyers this buyers begame,

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but I can tell you what they're averaging with the bat,
and that tends to be that really simplistic way of
judging wicket keepers. And we look at Peter Neville. Peter
Neville at the time was comfortably comes the best gloveman
in the country, absolutely comfortably like country mile when he
was selected, but far too often he would either find

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himself at five for ninety or five for three eighty
and didn't have really heaps of opportunity to really contribute
too much with the bat and ended up finding his
way out.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Of the side for somebody who could back better for
someone He wasn't dropped before wicked keeping performance. He was
dropped because he wasn't making the runs and was required
because this ridiculous situation has been set up by mister Gilchriuz, like.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
We took him to a World Cup, a T twenty
World Cup, where he is absolutely not a T twenty
batsman by any stretch of the imagination. Because we had
this who is the best wicketkeeper in the country. Let's
take that and we took Peter Neville, and that's what
I mean. So you tend to as a wicketkeeper, unless
you are really bad with the gloves, you tend to
get measured on you. Even when you're bad with the gloves,

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you can outweigh your performance as somewhat if you're having
a good day with a stick.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Well, that's for best has done it. That's for basically
his entire career.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
And that was exactly my point. Johnny Burst has been
a guy that has lived lived that mancher for a while,
as if you're good enough with the bat, you can
outdo some of your short falls with the gloves. Moving
on to the second game, which was much more competitive,
much more competitive, another fantastic hundred from Olipope lived dangerously

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early on, but I think once he got to fifty
it was pretty cutthroat rufles from there. I think he
gave three chances before fifty and then yeah, once that
has done, it was all over. Red Rover for Olipope
went on to score another fantastic hundred. I think he's
got some weird stat that I remember reading or hearing
that he hasn't scored consecutive hundreds again. Instant Nation he's

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managed to score one hundred against one country and then
one hundred against another and one hundred against another.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
So I think that he's a one century Protest series guy. Apparently,
I think I remember which you take, but you know,
I think that was what I.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
Remember reading that. He's yeah, so they've got another another
tour against whoever they're playing next, and if he gets that,
then it would be eight or seven hundreds in a
row and none of them have been against the same country.
Chiel Fee to correct me if I've misheard that. It
was very early in the morning in Australia when that
was happening and I was playing cricket captain on my
phone at the West Indies were awful in this first

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this first innings. Their bowling was pedestrian, their fielding was
I shouldn't say that their bowling initially was pretty good.
Their fielding was poor, poor, which then led to the
bowls being frustrated, and then the bowls became poor and
it just clicked on contributions all down the order for

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the first So Pope ducket with I think was the
fastest ever team fifty for England in Test cricket.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
Yeah, four point four points, free overs or something wasn't
some ridiculous thing.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
Pope obviously went on. They got Joe Route relatively cheap.
Brooke went for a better than a run of ball thirty,
got to start, Ben Stokes bit lean on runs, got
some runs under his belt, and then Smith Wokes et cetera,
managed to get him up to four hundred and sixteen,
and you thought, oh god, this is going to be
a bit of a bit tricky for them. I've got

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to give a little bit of a shout out to
Kevin Sinclair, who's quickly becoming one of my favorite international
players as well, because any guy that takes the back
does a back flip when he takes a wicket, is
all right.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
It's not a bad effort, is it. You just run in,
you're throwing you arm over and probably frowning yourself around
the field, and you've got a wicket and just.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
Yeah, it goes off off. He goes a bit of
a cartwheel into a back flip, like all right, you'll
go all right. So I don't mind Kevin Sinclair either.
He's actually really handed. He's scored three hundreds I think
in a fifty or one hundred and three fifties. It
might be the around the wrong way in the domestic
first class set up in the West Indies. So he's

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a guy that looks like he knows his way around
a cricket bat as well. So hopefully he goes on
to cement himself in the side and well there's.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
A potential there for some of those guys to really
get themselves a Test career. They can start putting some
performances on the board, because I think the West Indies
really are looking for guys who they can pick and
stick with.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
Second inning Kevim Hodge, big congratulations to him. I think
he's born on my birthday as well, so don't mind
Kabin February twenty one, and I think he ended up
bringing out that was his maiden testred one hundred and twenty.
Looked really good out there after a bit of a
bit of a wobbly start, but not too bad, got
himself settled nice well, made a big partnership with Alec

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Athananz who got eighty two. Looked good as well, and
then off the back of a rearguardenings from Joshua d.
Silver and some phenomenal striking from Sam Joseph.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Isn't It isn't he He's just something, isn't he. You
just every time you're seeing him, well, no matter what
he's doing, you just think you're going to do something.
There's just something about him that says, yeah, I'm here
for the long haul, man, I want to play some
really hard cricket. That shot he hit up onto that room.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
That's just six. That smashed the top. Wow, and the
grief I was falling into the crowd.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
So they got themselves into a bit of a lead.
Four fifty seven.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
I would I would suggest that would have to be
one of the highest scores that they've made in a
considerable period of time.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
I would like I'd.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Have to you'd have to delve back into it.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
You think it would be one really high up there.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
On the back of some you know, like the thing
is to the middle Water. There was really solid for them,
but their openers did a good job too, like Brathway
Cup Young Louis. I like the look of him. He
looks really really good.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
He's dubism season he but he has had a very
very strong start domestically for them. Hopefully they're a guy
that they give a bit of a leash to because
he does look like he's a pretty solid stroke maker,
just needs to you know, he's gotten himself out quite
a few times.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yeah, it was three of three of the four innings
he's got himself out basically probably the first the first
innings in the first Test was he got a good one.
But after that he's been a little bit, a little
bit loose same, which is not what you want to
see from an opener.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
Kirk McKenzie as well, who's shown a bit of promise,
but he keeps and he keeps getting getting bad fashions.
He's a guy that I think would be beneficial to
go Alright, who's the next the next sort of step
up sort of thing. England then retaliated with another four
hundred and twenty five, basically the game beyond doubt, big
contributions from Ben Duckett seven another seventy odd olipo with

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another fifty two big big hundreds from Joe Rout one
hundred and twenty t to Harry Brook one hundred and nine.
I believe he's now got the second highest average after
twenty innings, behind Don Bradman.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Sixty five or something ridiculous. He has edged ahead of
the great Adam Adam Bones.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
Yeah, great, Adam just Brook is ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
Now, well, we spotted him a few years ago, didn't
when we started talking about him and you look out,
look out, And then I was coming and he's kept
on coming.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
Yeah, he's finally got his he's finally got his run
and he's run away with it. Not really much to
ride home about. For the West Indies, Jaden Seals looked
a lot better than from the first Test, but you know,
really they didn't look like they had much of a
plan on how to a take wickets and b peg

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back the runs.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
And when you're opening bowlers are going at four five
and over, it's too much.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
I should take that back. It looked like they had plans,
but their bowlers just didn't x acute for long enough
periods of time. And I think that's probably something that
you'll say for the West Indies. At times they've shown
that their skills are test level, but their commitment to
executing those skills for prolonged periods is what is letting

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them down. One of the things I was going to
suggest to you is there's quite a lot of youth
in this side and do you think maybe even though
necessarily there's not a lot there may not be a
lot of room for improvement. Maybe you should be going
through some of the maybe the middle aged or even
older players playing domestically, and so maybe you build a

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middle order around a guy like Alec Athananz and Mikyle Lewis.
But then the rest of those guys, you know, tend
to be maybe some guys who are a lot more
comfortable with their game, have been around the traps, have
played a bit of you know, maybe a bit of
professional cricket, but guys who have you know, in their
late twenties early thirties, like keavem Hodge who who ended

(21:58):
up scoring quite a nice hundred. Maybe trying to persist
with that and maybe those guys you only end.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Up so we're talking like guys like a Rost and
Chase or somebody like that, someone.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
Like a Rost and Chase, but not rost and Chase because.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
He's been there and he's done that well it was
just about to well.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
But someone who's you know, maybe not had to play
a lot of because there's obviously not a lot of
international experience domestically for the West Indies. But maybe guys
who have had fairly long careers playing over the West
Indies who were just more self assured they know their
way around a first class game with more first class

(22:33):
experience that they can maybe go all right, the runs
aren't coming. But you know this happens every other Saturday
when I've been playing at home. I just need to
dig in here because when you look at some of
the dismissals in this series, somebody, especially the Kurt Mackenzie,
especially athenanz Is another one not quite as bad, but

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Mackenzie and Mikole Lewis, especially two young guys coming dismissals
just impatient, Yes, just Kirk McKenzie, like d right before lunch,
just tried a big he for Sholbsher and he's just
way too low on the bat and he's just basically
bunted it to Ben Stokes wicket right before lunch. Momentums
change and it's just things like that that maybe if

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that person had played you know, eighty first class games
or one hundred first class games before coming into the
Test arena, because I just I just feel like maybe
it's a little bit of the blind leading the blind.
I mean, you've got Craig Brathwaite in around the side,
he's got Jason Holder and around the side. But like
Holder as much as we like him as an all rounder,

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you ideally wouldn't be batting Holder any higher than seven.
You'd be that'd be. But they're using Holder as a
test number six in this side, and I think that
in an ideal world, if your team is playing well,
Jason Holder doesn't bat it at six. He bats at seven.
And I think maybe, and he's again, he's not a
guy as well that is known for playing grind it

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out test innings when the going gets tough, like he
has played them. Don't get me wrong, I know he's
capable of playing them, but that's typically not his shtick.
That's not the way, that's not his flavor, that's not
how he goes about his business. And I'm just thinking
maybe in these cases where you've got you know, I
like Breathweight as an openery, he's got a bit about him.
I like Michole Lewis because he looks like a guy

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that knows how to find the boundary. But maybe that
guy at number three, even though he may not necessarily have,
you know, a lot of room to improve as a cricketer,
might need to be someone who's in that twenty nine,
twenty eight to thirty two sort of range. Maybe you
get half a dozen or a dot, you know, half
a dozen to ten tours out of him before he
then ages out. But he's a guy there batting with

(24:44):
blokes like Athananza and Mikyl Lewis and then helping Some
of this younger generation have come through because they're just
comfortable in their own skin. They know their way around
that they're not going to freak out too much if
they've gone six straight deliveries without scoring a run.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
I mean they That seems to be the thing with
the best in these young fellas toos. They're very naive
in the way that they go about it, and they
don't I don't think they really have got to grips
of the fact that you make one mistake in test
matches and you're outman. You're playing against the best battles
from a particular country and there's no room for error,

(25:23):
and you need to learn how to come to grips
of that. Basically, I think that a lot of the
dismissals in these first two test matches can come down
to inexperience and naivity, not understanding that the situation of
the game and it's just.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
I just I don't know where to go, Like there's
so many players and obviously aren't putting their hands up
to play long form cricket for the West Indies because it's.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
Just not financially viable.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
Yeah, it's not financially viable for them to be doing that.
So you know, it hurts your baalent pool to be
you know for these players that are obvious and you
can't fault them. I mean, they're not one of the
wealthy nations going around. The franchise cricket is incredibly cretive,

(26:15):
a lot more than playing for playing for the West
Indies could be. So it's just where you've got to
go and try and maybe find some other ways of
getting players involved that I'd have to go through, you know,
their their first class, their first class numbers to see
if there's anyone that sort of fits that mold. Kevin Sinclair,

(26:36):
for example, I think is the second or third leading
run score it's for their most recent domestic first class competition.
Who is a spin boler that back today and probably
is maybe a seven at a stretch test cricket. Hopefully
I'd like to see him try to develop his game
to be their version of Revenge of tod Asia, some

(26:56):
guy they could get away with batting maybe six, if
he's got that run scoring capacity in there, and then
maybe giving them an option to play that that Guderesh
Moti along with him, along with you know, you know
he but can bat himself at six, Holder at seven,
Modi at eight, who showed a bit of gumption with
the bat in the first Test. And then you've still
then got your Joseph's and Seals, So Joseph Square, Jaden Seals,

(27:20):
so you've got Holder, Joseph, Joseph Seal's, Moti Sinclair and
then you haven't compromised your batting order too much. But
I think Kevin Sinclair is a ways away from being
a genuine Test number six. But I'd like to see
his game develop in that direction being a batter who bowls,
because I don't necessarily think he's got all the tools

(27:42):
to be a genuine first option as a Test spinner.
There's there's not like he's good, but there's you just
don't see. There's just not a lot to his kick bag,
there's not a lot to his arsenal.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
No, he can play that holding role fairly well. And
he does bowl the occasional well really good ball, but
there's nothing that's particularly that says I'm the lawyer of
your spin bowling attack. And whereas Mody, you get the
feeling that he's given it. He's done very well in
Test cricket so far. He's got a.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
Great record in first class and Test cricket.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
He's there first. If you've got a first choice spinner
like that, a couple of good fast battle and we
keep coming back to the fact that they have some
talented balls, it's the batting and it has been the
batting for quite a while. I mean, what was that
was a ridiculous number when blowry out here last time
when Brathwaite made that one hundred and of the last
third and Test one hundreds, he'd made twelve of them

(28:38):
or something.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
All of them. I think it might have been.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Yeah, he was and he was the last guy, the
last Windy's Openness since Chris Gail to make a Test
one hundred, and they've had a few of them since then.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
And I think as much as I love I love
Shamil Joseph, I don't know if going forward the best
thing for the West Indies unless you're going to get
more out of Jason Holder as a bowler. They may
need to go back to someone like a Keema Roach
because I think that was something that really they really
struggled with against England was that England kept coming and

(29:14):
these young bowlers sort of they were you can see
it rattle them a little bit and so maybe a
little bit more experience, same thing, picking a guy that's
a little bit more experienced, a little more comfortable in
their skin. With that being said, I think that Joseph
Joseph Seals is the way forward could be has all
the potential to be an attack that is up right

(29:37):
up there with the best in the world. So you
just like to see, you know, they just need a
bit more seasoning and need more games under their belt,
which is obviously tough because you know, Test Cricket's.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Not they're playing a free Test series here. I mean
that's something. I mean, you know, you're playing a series
that you're going to get a result out of. Yeah,
whether it was a good result of our result, what
we really want to hope for is they come back
fighting in this third Test and showed the same sort
of result that they showed in the second Test. I mean,
I thought they were pretty good for four of those

(30:08):
days in the in the second Test, but that fell
apart badly on that last time.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
Look they're batting in the first innings was good in patches,
they were good with the ball, but overall I felt
that they just weren't disciplined enough. They didn't execute their
skills well enough for a long periods of time. I
thought there were periods where Shama Joseph was actually getting
the ball to do quite a bit, look like there
might be a chance to make some early inroad. Same

(30:33):
with Jaden Seals looking and good early and then and
then it fell away and it just seemed so hard
for them to try and get back into the group.
You could see Brathway, you know, there was the outlines
of a plan, like there was a concept, but they
just couldn't fill it in and actually make that concept
any sort of tangible reality, because they were just either

(30:56):
either their efforts in the field or their consistency with
the ball was was letting them down. Like they had
a real opportunity to put some pressure on in the
third innings and you know, fifty run lead, you know,
you know, you knock England over for two hundred. Well
you're not to say three hundred and you've got a
two forty chase and the fourth innings on a wicket
that's not doing a great deal. But obviously Joe Roote

(31:20):
and Harry Brook had to other plans and then, as
you said, the fourth innings it all fell away. The
West Indies just showed no discipline, no fight at all,
big collapse. Shelbushe had a day out and England moved
to mill Up and the juggernaut that is Basball puts

(31:41):
another one in the pro box where they another winning.
I think he's the third winningest captain after X amount
of games, behind Warren. I think maybe yeah, I say
I've seen that. Yeah, so well done. What England? And
as I said, that's the big thing. You know, they

(32:02):
come out all the time and talk about how you know,
people will just be happy for the experience of watching us,
and it's like no, no, no, no, no, no, that's not
our sports. No one cares if you're exciting losers.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
They just care to go down that ludicrous path.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
They just care that you're lost. What you need to
do is you need to win, to win those big series.
That's no one's in there and goes, oh, well we
didn't win a single Ashes Test under or a single
Ashes series under Ben Stokes, but god we were entertaining. Well, no,
that's not our people work. They in twenty thirty years
time they'll look at that and go, oh England got

(32:40):
pumped or England pump for the West Indies like no,
there's no. You don't analyze the philosophy like we don't
analyze the philosophy of how the West Indies you know,
beat teams in this in the seventies. We look at
that and go, yeah, holding cleaned up blokes, Malcolm Marshall,
you know, went for stuff all Richard scored a thousand.

(33:01):
And it's when you're looking at it from that far
back we remember, you know, the venom and stuff that
the fast balls went with, but you know that's because
they won. No one talks about how classy, uh you know,
Zimbabwe were between the flowers and heat streak and stuff like,
oh yeah, some classy talented cricket is there lots of

(33:23):
guys that No one talks about the fact that there
were some really talented molt like you know, there's heaps
of all rounders that have come out of Zimbabwe, but
no one talks about it because they didn't win. How
pretty a game is, you needed results and this is
obviously a big step in that direction. So one more
test to go. As I said, hopefully, we really like
to see the West Indies snag one here and get

(33:47):
a resolt out of this tour. They've taken, taken a
bit of a battering. They do need to figure out
a way to put a cork in the bottle that
is the England batting unit and and build some pressure,
make England play some old school cricket, you know, maybe
go back through I don't know sort of how much
preparation they've got, but looking at sort of things like

(34:09):
how the Aussies you know, went to the shortball theory
and set the field out to try and slow the
runs down, being a little bit unorthodox, not just sort
of setting your standard, you know, two slips a gully,
you know, deep point and then just letting them go
after you you know, take the initiative away from England
a little bit and change it up by But that
being said, Brathwaite can't really do anything unless his bowlers

(34:31):
execute those plans. So whatever the whatever plan moving forward
is the bowlers need to be better and be better
for longer, and then on the batting side of things,
the West Indies need to be patient. They just need
to be patient. The longer they're out there in the
in the in the field, the long they keep England
out in the field, the more they can control their
own destiny. They can't get caught up with going England

(34:53):
scored four hundred runs in ninety overs. They just need
to go out there and go we need to get
to X score, not we need to get to X
score in this time. So right after this we're gonna
have a bit of a chat about the upcoming Australian
tour to the Ireland and the UK. Australia's next assignment

(35:17):
after what was a disappointing departure from the T twenty
World Cup, is a tour of the UK. So we've
got a T twenty against Scotland in September and early September.
I should know it's three three T twenties. We've got
three three twenties against Scotland and then so fourth, sixth
and seventh September, and then we move over to three

(35:40):
tree twenties against England, between the eleventh and fifteenth of September,
and then I think we play at five between the
nineteenth and twenty ninth of September, so basically a game
every other day for the whole month September. So tet
your alarm clocks because it'll be it's a time that's

(36:00):
not really suitable for us, but it'll be good to watch.
And so with that, we're sort of beginning the ushering
in of the new era for some young Australian cricketers
with the with the squads, so there's been some some
new names have come through, some young names have come through,
and then there's been a bolter, the definite bolter has

(36:22):
gotten in there. So we'll start with the T twenty squad.
I'll let you do the one day squad. But with
the T twenty squad we've got Mitchell marsh who has
been officially named as the captain heading into the World Cup,
so he retains that spot. Xavier Bartlett comes back, Cooper Connolly,
the four under nineteens Australian captain and hero of the
per scorches. Finally of the year, has you know, I'm

(36:47):
not gonna be too critical. I don't think necessarily he's
earned it on performances potential level. He's definitely one of
those big asterix is with let's see how he goes
once he gets here. Sort of ones but very exciting
for him. Tim David, who I think is potentially a
bit lucky to be here.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
I do too, after a fairly average World Cup, actually
a fairly poor World Cup.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
Nathan Ellis who the Girk Fraser McGirk is coming in
looking like he'll have the first crack at the David
Warner's vacant opening spot. Cavin Green, Aaron Hardy, Josh Hazewold,
Travis head At, Josh Inglas, Spencer Johnson, Marcus Dons and
Adam Zamper. So it looks like I've really gone with
the one wicket keeper. We have bid farewell David Warner.

(37:36):
We have bid farewell to Matthew Wade, and the Cummins
and Stark have both been rest and Maxwell as well,
and Maxwell as well. The one name that I am
a little disappointed didn't manage to get he is TMV Singer.
I would have liked to have seen him get a
spot in here. For those of you who are like,

(37:58):
why are you blowing up? About no Matthew. Sure. It
appears that Matthew has a child on the way and
will likely miss the first half of the tour due
to the birth of his child, but if available, may
make it back for the England leg of the T
twenty Internationals. But he has also been named in the

(38:19):
one day squad.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
So this is probably the official matt Short fan club
on the Internet. I would suggest we've spoken his name
many many times. We all believe he has great potential.
His performances in domestic level will be nothing short of outstanding.
He's made runs in all forms of cricket, including four
day cricket. He deserves his chance. I've always been with you.

(38:44):
I see him very much along the lines that he
could play that Maxie role somewhere along the lines. Well,
I do like him opening the batting as well, but
I'm not sure that there's really going to be an
opening there for him. I'm not sure why Marcus Steiners
is in this squad again. I know that he's had

(39:06):
a pretty good run just recently. But you look at
this squad and you think, yes, we're looking to the future. Okay,
we've still got some experienced guys in there, but we're
looking to the future. I would rather take another all
rounder besides the Stein.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
I would personally, I wouldn't mind seeing maybe someone like
Stains the spot being Tanva saying, or maybe someone like
Will Sutherland.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Yeah, that was who I was. The other thing as well,
even what's the bo Webster bo Webster. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
I don't know if he's really one for the future.
He's a guy. He's late twenties, I think, early very
early thirties, So I don't think you really get that
plan for the future sort of spot there. I would
have really liked to think in that side, you may
be Tim David and Marcus Stein has played the same
role as that late order finisher, and then maybe one

(40:03):
of them make way for Because I think it's hard
and you know, we were very critical of Mark, We've
been very critical of Marcus Stains in the past because
of his inconsistencies. But he's been on sort of the
most consistent form of his life at the moment through
that World Cup and was arguably our best player. So
it sort of stings a little to go, yeah, cool,
you're obviously at the peak of your powers. You're obviously
good enough to be playing international cricket, but the number

(40:25):
next to your age is too high, so catch you later.
So you know, while striking while the iron's hot, he
will offer some you know a plethora of experience for
that young side. But yeah, I just you know, Tim
David by and large has been a myth internationally, like
we've seen the things that can get up to domestically,
and he's absolutely some fantastic hitting out there. But Marcus

(40:48):
Daunus does the exact same job, and I can just
I just I feel like he's probably and you.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
Get a couple of overs out there, and maybe you can.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
Get a couple of overs out of him, and then
you get that, you know, another spinner there because it's
far like workout, so Connelly is a part timer. And
then you got Zamps and I suppose it's Scotland and England,
so you're probably not going to play multiple spinners. But
that's really it if you If Xamps gets injured, then
you're bringing over a spinner. I suppose I would have
liked to have seen ten Vier in the squad. Overall,

(41:17):
I'm pretty happy with it. I am shocked. I'm not upset,
but I am shocked. Connolly got a gig, so obviously
they've had a good, hard, long look at him and
feel that, you know, blooding him is the way to go.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
Well, the thing is that, look, he might not even
get a game. I think it's more about just giving
him the smell in the nostrils of the of the
international game. Boon around the big boys. This is what's
in your future, imagine.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
I would imagine in the Scotland leg every one of
those players will play. You think, I think, I think, like,
no disrespect to Scotland, but you know we're just after
the World Cup. This is the this is the perfect
opportunity now to just throw spaghetti at the wall and
see what sticks. So I would be I would feel
pretty aggrieved if you're going to have three cracks at
an associate nation which are just essentially friendlies. There's nothing

(42:06):
in it. You know, no one gets there's no trophies
on offer. At the end of ittive we stuff up
the games. I would feel pretty aggrieved as a player
on this squad that if I didn't get our game
in those first those six because there's six games such
three against Scotland, three against England, but I didn't get
a single game in those in those six games, like
what are we doing? And what are we doing? But

(42:28):
why would we why would we pick a guy like
this and not play him a couple of games. I
would imagine that everyone will get a bit of a run.
I'm really excited to see how our bowling attack will
work because I can see that maybe we're going in
with a what do we got there? So hoff Ellis
and Bartlett. I think Bartlett's going to be particularly dangerous

(42:50):
over in the UK with that swinging white ball. Would
be good to see that Spencer Johnson in there as well.
Would like he's really sort of made a name for
himself in the one hundred and has been fairly strong
in the.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
I've certainly done nothing wrong since he's burst onto the
scene to suggest that he's he's in any way on
the way and I see this guy playing a fair
bit of cricket for Australia in the future. I just
love that you watch him when he runs runs in
and lets that ball go and he looks dangerous. Man.
He always looks dangerous, whether it's the pace that bounce,

(43:27):
the late movement, or whatever it happens to be. He's
he's a guy who we should really be looking and
play a lot of cricket for Australia.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
So looking at that team, who you reckon? What's our
starting eleven? If you're going to pick the best players
in their best positions to go, where are you going
with that? So all right, well, obviously you're going to
go McGirk and ahead of the opening at the top, I.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Think so and Mitchell number three, then you're probably going
to play or Cameron Green at four. I would suggest
I would be.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
I would tend to think maybe he'd probably English at four.
I think English is probably more credential T twenty bat
and they'll look for obviously he's the more prudential bat.
You want him facing.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
Sever So English and Green four and five.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
Steying I'd got, and then I'll be looking at Connolly
or David at seven.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
I'm struggling with the Stein. I just yeah, I just
don't see the point in it. But yeah, look we've
had this discussion before the Stein about six. Okay, pick
Connolly possibly at seven, and then the four ball was
Zamps will be one of them and then take a
pick of the other three. Ellis would be one for me.
I'd be giving Ellis an extended running the team and

(44:39):
then you know, rotate the Haffen and whoever else through.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
I really wouldn't mind having a look at a side
like really just almost taking the big name of it
a little bit and having Zamps, maybe Ellis and Bartlett
so three, and then playing Hardy at eight so you've
got genuine hitting.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Isn't that a good batting line the way down as
Bartlet can bat as well. I mean that's what you
kind of forget about him because you come on, but
I've seen him back very very well in the Big Bash,
so you know, that's a very long batting line up,
and it would be very interesting to see that team
go around, wouldn't it.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
Hardy had been batting three in the three or four
in the MLC, So I wouldn't mind just for just
a bit of an experiment, maybe only go with the
three front line bowlers and you've got Green Stain, Hardy
Connolly for example, to make up your your other overs.

(45:40):
Is one of those games, and just sort of seeing
how that how that batting line up goes. Moving to
the one day in the national squad, who have we
got as well?

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Okay, pretty pretty similar one day squad that we've been
seen over the last couple of years. So Mitch marsh
at least the captain. Sewan Abbott comes back into the squad.
Alex Carey is in the in the squad as well well,
Ellis Mcfraser McGirk, Aaron Hardy Green, Hazelwood Head English Marnus

(46:09):
is in the squad as well.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
Maxwell has been killing.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
Yeah, he's had and with the ball. Yeah, you got
a five for the other day for nothing off like four. Yeah,
and then Maxie comes back to the squad. Matt Short
should be available for the squad. Steve Smith obviously the
lynch pin of our of our fifty over batting for
years and years and years, and then Starkey and Zamps.

(46:34):
So it's basically the same fifty over team we've been
chopping out for quite a while now. There's no there's
no real variations there that you know. Obviously, Fraser McGirk
coming in, he's clearly.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
The like is no Higgins. Obviously he's arrested for this one.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Yeah, comens. Look, I would and.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
I like, this is a thing that I said, and
it has to happen. It has to happen. As a bowler,
it's a meaningless bilateral One Day International series. But what
Pat Commons is is a part time captain of Australia.
And that was the big thing I had when they
named a fast bowler the captain of the One day
International side.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
And then it is your first game, and yet we
know it's the second game, second game, second game played.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
The game is the second game and Josh Hazewood was
name as captain and it's like, like, practically speaking, it
probably makes no difference. They're you know, they're they're trotting
out the same game plans. They've all played together. You know.
You know, Mitch Marsh is obviously working with guys like
Smith and all these guys, and there's no no Marsh

(47:41):
is not obviously having any epiphanies and not keeping it
to himself. So if Cummins has this information as captain
and Marsh has an idea, Cummens is going to get it.
Like the information is there. It just it takes away
from the mystique. It takes away from the respect, It
takes away from the aura the Captain of Australia does.
When you can sit there and say, could you imagine

(48:03):
Ricky Ponting just deciding and then I'm just going to
have a rest for this trip to England. I'm not
going you're the captain, that's all right, Just Michigan game
and somebody else can be just And I suppose it's
probably the old school, you know, thinking and around it
that practically speaking, it makes doesn't make any any of
the difference that we're blowing up about. But it just

(48:26):
it belittles the station of the Australian captain.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
But it makes a difference to us. It makes a
difference to the people that's bums on seats, It makes
the people to It makes difference to people who understand
the game and going what are you doing naming a
guy who it wasn't going to play all these games.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
It reduces what should be a very prestigious position. So
the captain of your country should be prestigious. And the
fact that Australia is just willing to hand it around
willy nilly, you don't have to come on this one.
We'll give it to this bloke. Okay, now he's back,
Like even injuries is the one thing that's fine. But
Pat was never going on this tour. It was always

(49:06):
a planned period off for pack Cummings and you know.
You know, I hate to say it, but in my opinion,
you're a captain. You're there. You don't get time off.
That's part of putting your hand up to be the
top dog, to have the top gid. Unless you are
physically incapable of playing, You're playing. That's part of being

(49:27):
the captain. Like I just just for me, I just
can't see, you know. And maybe I'm looking through it
through rose or green and gold colored glasses, but I
can't see. I can't sy Border just being asked, No,
you don't need to come on this trip, mate. Can't
see Ponting being asked, or War or any of those guys.
I mean, Clark was a bit different. But Clark had

(49:47):
degenerative back problems. So there were times where they did
prolong Clark's red ball career by not having him play
as many throwaway one day in the Nationals, and so
George Bailey took up a lot that slack. But that
was very extenuating circumstances to that. Cummins, as far as
it has no particular injuries, he's just been and rightly

(50:09):
so is being managed because he's a fast bowler, which
is why in my opinion, You shouldn't have fast bowler
being the captain of your white ball setup when he's
also the captain of your red ball setup, because the
obligation is that he's going to play every single red
ball game, and we wanted to play every single red
ball game because he's a generational fast bowler, which means

(50:29):
he will by definition be taking time off the white
ball game.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
And they should have just come out with this at
the start, never created this situation for him in the
first place. I felt a little bit sorry for him
because he would know in his heart what's going on
with the whole.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
I think he's fine because this would all be talked
about behind closed doors. It's just a different philosophy. The
way they're doing things. The new philosophy doesn't mesh with
our sensitivities. But yeah, it's just it's just the way
they do things now. I don't like it. You know,
it doesn't make a difference to them whether I like
it or not. I don't have to like it. But obviously,

(51:04):
when it comes to the next World Cup, comings will
be there with the sea on his chest. But it
just looked like, where were you for all these other
games that you just took time off and it just
for me, It just it takes away from the majesty
and the mystique of the position when you like, if
he's injured, that's one thing you bust yourself and you
can't play no worries. But it's just like we're giving
the captain time off and it's like the captain doesn't

(51:26):
get time off. It's the captain. He goes down with
the ship. But in terms of the squad, that's my
I got on my soapbox. I wasn't expecting to do
that in this episode. I apologize everyone and so I
don't know what came over me. He's like a shiver
went down the back of my skin. I just had
to go.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
Just the total nonsense that we get bombarded from the
selection panel of the cricket team of this country sometimes
just shake your head.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
So again, I think that's a very strong squad. There's
a loving that Fraser McGirk is now getting a run.
I think the cause of ponting had to get him
into the test side of very Are you premature? But
I have no issues with him, but just want.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
I want to see him with a few first class
hundreds before before anything else he.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
Fed to the walls in the white ball game. Get
him out there. If international side's working out and he
falls in a heat, then he falls in a heat.
But he's nowhere near ready for red ball cricket yet.
I know that Glenn Maxwell's talking about it, No Pond
is talking about it. But you know what goes course
and runs for for for South Australia and in the

(52:28):
white clothing and then we'll talk about you maybe get
in your hand, what about your greene? But at the
moment you're just we.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
Need to we need to see some first class hundreds, mate,
you know, first class but first class hard runs.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
Man one of the most exciting prospects on the planet.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
So what do you reckon he be getting paid for
his next IPL season? Just oh man, it won't be
three hundred thousand dollars a year, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
He'll be in the top ten.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
He'd be that.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
He'll be in the top ten of the most paid players.
And the next option for sure. Guy that guy has
made himself a Mozza in the last RP. Well done
to him. So yeah, so it's going to be a
big series Australia obviously, you know the World Cup title holders.
England have sort of since Owen Morgan has been around,
has been neither here nor They're very, very talented side.

(53:20):
There's no lack of talent, but they just haven't seem
to have got themselves going in the direction you'd expect,
like they've always come into the tournaments as one of
the favorites for all the white ball tournaments and just
haven't really dominated in the fashion that you remember that
that Owen Morgan you're aside really just cleaning house. So
they're going to be looking to try and get a

(53:40):
little bit of consistency. It's a five match series, it's
against their biggest rivals. They're going to be looking to,
you know, really stick it into.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
Us love put some bums on seats over there for sure.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
Yeah, it's going to be a great series. It's always
is when we play England and in a one day
in the National Series. So the other big news was
before we leave, because we're going to keep this one
a bit short and sweet, is that there's been rumbling
whispers in the background. You know how sports media likes
the work. When there's not a lot going on, we
need to find something to talk about. But this one's
been a little bit verified by multiple sources that Glenn

(54:10):
Maxwell has been looking at as a potential starter for
the next subcontinent Test tour to Sri Lanka. How do
we feel about that?

Speaker 2 (54:19):
No, great surprise, really is it. I mean, if you
had the name that the top three or four spin
players of spin in this country, you'd have Steve Smith,
you Peter Hanskin, you would have Maxi, Maxi and probably yeah,
probably Alex Carey is a pretty good player with spin

(54:41):
as well.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
I think Alex Carey's got the shots against spin. I
don't necessarily know about the temperament.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Yeah, the temperament would be the thing, but.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
Against against like spin, Alix Terry is a good player
of spin in Australian conditions. I'm not one hundred percent
sold on the fact that Alex Carey can play spin
very well in subcontinent conditions because I think it just
it's a whole different animal when you get over there.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
It just goes to show that the dearth of really
good quality players have spin. We had when we were
talking about two guys like Maxwell and Hanskum, when was
the last time they played Test match? Hands?

Speaker 3 (55:16):
Can played the over in.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
That's right, and that did quite well.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
He was He was very solid in what was a
pretty poor performance, ball dominated series all round for mine.
You know, Maxwell has not been in any form at
all since the fifty over World Cup. Like that. That
double hundred he scored is probably the last time I
can remember Maxwell getting a bunch of runs. I feel

(55:43):
like the last tour to Srilanka was probably where Maxwell
needs to do it. I don't know. I'm happy for
him if he gets a crack, he gets a crack,
and he deserves it, absolutely deserves another crack because we
have almost criminally misused Glen Maxwell the cricketer in the past.
But I just feel that it's almost like the you know,

(56:05):
the Lifetime Achievement Award OSCAR they give out at the
Oscars for a movie where the actor like that wasn't
the best best leaguting active performance this year you drunk.
I just feel like, is Glenn Maxwell the best player
to be going and and playing over in tri Lanka
at the moment? On form? Probably not, Hopefully the once
he gets out.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
There he can, But form is not that there's only
a couple of shots away.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
Yeah, but you know there's a couple of shots away
when you're playing white ball cricket, but when you're playing
Test cricket, you know you've got to be able to
stick around for the long haul. And I hope he
succeeds if you get to GIG. I'm absolutely thrilled for him,
but I just feel that, you know, father time might
be catching him up a little bit. And you know,
and Max really very much is an I player.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
So once I goes, that's going to be the end
of him. Look, he's probably only got another eting months.
I would personally thinking in the national cricket at his
very best anyway, because he's got his mid first, he's
thirty five thirty shit.

Speaker 4 (57:01):
He wance.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
Australia's ready to move on because like, I can't se
him going to the next fifty over World Cup. Maybe
he hangs on for the next T twenty.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
One, but he needs to be playing really well to
go to the next T twenty World Cup. We can't
take him to the T twenty World Cup. He's playing
like you played in the last one.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
Yeah, if he's informed, you'd consider it. But yeah, if
he's not informed, he probably not so Yeah, like he's
almost you need almost to spend fourth internationally and I'd
love for him to go out with another crack at
the Baggy Green and you know, maybe getting another big
hundred to because this is a guy that has has
tried his best to be that guy and has got

(57:38):
pigeonholed as a white ball specialist and done a great
job for Australia in that role, and just you can
he wants to be a guy that goes like he
was devastating. You saw that in the season two of
the Tests when they didn't end up picking him for
that Test in Sri Lanka. He was absolutely gutted, Like
this is a guy that treats the Baggy Green with
the respect that it deserves. And you know, I still

(58:00):
maintained that was given a raw deal in twenty seventeen
when he was found his way out of the side
after what was a pretty good tour, Like he scored
that big hundred in India batting at six and you
would have thought that would have given him a bit
of a run, especially heading in the home and he
scored what three hundred, one hundred and double hundred for

(58:20):
Victoria heading into that series and lost his spots Pete
Hanscombe and then when Pete Hansky got dropped, they brought
in Mitch Marsh and you know, and then that was it.
Maxwell hasn't really found his way back. What do you
think aside with Glenn Maxwell? And it looks like if
you're going to be picking, you know, select this cap on.
Obviously we're a long way out. How does the Australian

(58:40):
Test side in what's likely going to be horrific spin
bowling conditions which were not our strengths. What do you
what do you think our starting eleven looks like for
that game? You know, pending, you know, the only the
only stipulation is that Maxwell takes up a spot in
the eleven. So how are you picking your team head Kwajah, Yeah,

(59:02):
you're moving Head back to the top of the order
for sure.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
Ank. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
So is that because you're moving Smith down?

Speaker 2 (59:08):
Or yes, because Smith, I believe is better placed in
the middle order, particularly on a spinning wicket where we
can base our middle order around him. So to be
to be head, to be bussy, it'll be manas it'll
be Smith Green Maxwell.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
Okay, So yeah, you've moved Head to the top and
everyone sort of just bumped.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
Everyone's bumped down one and carry at seven Lion is one.

Speaker 3 (59:38):
Cummins obviously being the test giver.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
Yeah, and then I'm really I'm really conflicted about who
my next pace bowling option is going to be. It'd
probably be the hoff because I don't think Stark is
particularly well suited over there.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
Because they've always thought about Starky being one of the
better components of reverse swing and yeah, and was pretty
so on their last tour. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Look, it's always going to be a toss up if
there's a fast bowler's spot on the line. If you're
going to drop, somebody's usually going to be Starky, I'm
afraid because you're not going to drop the half.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
Well. I feel that the second as much as I
love Rosh Hazel, I feel that stark could probably have
the inside track being that left arm with a bit
of a reverse wing, knowing that they've got especially if
it's a real proper Bunsen burner, because they'll have Cummons
you can bowl right arm, tight line and length, and
they'll also have cam Green to give them those os

(01:00:33):
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
So started the second that point, the second spinner is
the big is the big toss up? To me, I
would almost be inclined to go with Keronerman because the
left armor, we go with another one of the what
guys who are want in contention, like a Rocketchelli or
Todd Murphy. They're off spinners, so we're going to We're
going to playing free off spinners. I don't want to
play for any rooms for a leggie, any any really

(01:00:56):
any sort of you knows for only going to pick
ten here.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
Now you're ruling out Zams all together.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
I think Zamps has been ruled out by the powers
of bea mate. You know you weren't going to take
him in the last time, You're not going to take
him this time. Sad because I think he potentially is
a very good test cricketer. He certainly has the control
and the variation that you that you require. I would
like it would be a left field selection for him
them to take him. I would I wouldn't have a

(01:01:25):
problem with it, but I just wouldn't. I can't see
that they're going.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
To and taking because I don't think I'll take an
They didn't get a start in an Indian tour, so
I'd say they have colored his they stamped his travel papers.
He's probably done as a as a test cricketer spinners.
I'd be definitely taking obviously a Nathan Lyon. I would
definitely be having another look at Todd Murphy's we went

(01:01:50):
on the last couple played very well.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
In Indian conditions and did well in England when he
got the chance.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
Okay in England was probably under used by Pat Cummins
a little bit, and I'd be taking Kuneman who did
a really good job over in Indian conditions. I would
like to probably see another big year out of Rockeicelli
before he jumps into the side. But that being said,
he was a lot better than what Todd Murphy was
domestically last year, so there is a chance that maybe

(01:02:18):
he pips Murphy for that spot. But I would definitely
want to take a leggie, so I wouldn't mind as
just a bit of you know stuff that let's see
you'd bring Adam Zampra along because he's sort of the
big thing about most young leggies is they don't offer
a lot of control. That was always the the issue

(01:02:40):
we had with And I feel really dumb because I
can't remember his name. The Queensland one that we took
to Pakists Swepson is he just kept bollowing too many
four balls. You just get long hops or full tosses
or whatever it was. I remember he started and over well,
the first two overs of his spell. The first two
ball of those overs were full tosses that went for

(01:03:03):
sixteen runs two fours and then dotted it up and
then two fours, and so he just gave away too many.
But Zamps is different. It's a different, different sort of animal.
When it comes in. It's not the big ripping leg spinner.
It's you know, it's more Google's it's more you know, pace,
line and length. So I wouldn't mind maybe getting getting

(01:03:25):
Zamps in there and just sort of this is a
guy that's also done a really good job for Australia
in white ball cricket for a long period of time,
to the detriment of him playing a lot of first
class cricket, to push that, you know, that narrative that
he could I mean, I can't remember the last time
he's played a lot of first class cricket. So we've
sort of you look at his first class average and
it's in the mid forties. But that that Adam Zamper

(01:03:46):
is not the same Adam Zamper. That's playing today, So
I wouldn't necessarily mind them maybe going and seeing how
Zamps possibly goes in conditions that would really help and
sort of the fact that he's not a big turner
of the ball because he's playing on such friendly conditions
and he gives you that really attacking option. I wouldn't
necessarily mind seeing a lion Zamper, Stark, Cummens, Green Maxwell

(01:04:13):
sort of be interesting. Bowling attack be interesting for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
I mean, who knows what you're going to turn up
in Tri Lanka as well. One thing's for sure is
going to turn a lot. It's just a matter of
how much it's going to turn and whether there's going
to be absolutely anything there at all for seam bowling,
which I doubt very much because they're not going to
pick They're going to pick free spinners. For sure. They'll
pick free spinners. So it'll be interesting to see. I

(01:04:40):
personally think it'd be very similar to the last time,
and it just dust bowls Mane spinning square on the
first day, which is what you get.

Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
It's not just India. All the subs really give you that. Yeah,
I don't mind that team. Again, I wouldn't mind seeing
if you were going to go a little bit funky
with your number six if you know, Mitch Marsh isn't
really being considered for the spinning wickets, which in fairness,
I don't necessarily think that he should be. As you're
number six, I think with green in the side, why

(01:05:09):
you're carrying too fast bowling all round us to a
subcontinent conditions unless you're planning on playing lots of frontline
spinners yourself. But I wouldn't really mind seeing a guy
like a Webster who bowls a bit of spinning, a
bit of seam domestically as a guy as a real
left field pick is a bit of a Swiss arming
knife to take over there. And I either give you

(01:05:31):
that option of you know, like Colin Miller.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
Can open the bowling and come back and bowl along
spell of spin.

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
So but I think we're a ways of seeing that
happen for the Test side. But it's just it's always
fun to hypothesize. We like to speculate, all right, guys,
thank you very much for joining us for this through
Bleak Winter edition, there's been plenty of cricket going on.
We've managed to wax lyrical and we do our favorite thing,
which is hypothesizing about the future. We'll be back next

(01:05:58):
week with plenty more cricket. In goodness, the Major League
cricket is in full swing, which has had some fairly
uh you know, very newsworthy performances there.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
We will be carrying it in Daytown, Freedom.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
And near the Top.

Speaker 4 (01:06:10):
Smoothie's going nuts, been going alright, all right, your blokes
are doing it there were going ok too, So well, yeah,
we'll plenty to talk about when we'll get stuck into
it next week.

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
But until then, guys, bye for now.

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