Episode 185 - A New World Order - Two Slips & A Gully

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Speaker 2 (01:02):
Hello, welcome back to another episode of Two Slips in
the Gala. You're joined by the Aarons tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
How I are mate? I am going well, Ready to
talk some cricket. Isn't there some cricket going on.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
At the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
It definitely is some cricket going on at the moment.
We've got a very full schedule today. We've obviously got
the Women's World Cup which is coming to a head
at the moment. The semi finals are set and there
are some very big upsets that have occurred to put
forward what's been quite an astonishing World Cup semi final
all things considered. Pakistan have just finished the first Test

(01:36):
against England over there in Pakistan, so it's going to
be what we're going to have a look at. We're
also going to have a bit of a squizz at
the opening round of the Shield and everything Shield related,
heading into obviously what is a very interesting time for
the Australian cricket team.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
With some important There's some decisions to be made, isn't
there With the news that Cameron Green won't be playing
this summer.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Out and the news that Steve Smith will not be
opening the batting that has been confirmed by George Bailey
as well, so as we I'm pretty sure I said
that at the end of the last episode that we
did that if you're a young opener, and not even
a young open, if you're an opener in Shield, go
and fill your boots, because you know that was that
was going to be the case. You know, Green's position

(02:22):
was tenuous at best. There was definitely a chance that
they were going to need another opener and it's, if
you know better, time to really put your hand up
and get in there and make a name for yourself,
and there's been some that had done that, and there
have been some prospects that'll be ruining what would have
been a really good opportunity to get into the selector's eyes.

(02:43):
So we will get into all of that coming up next.
First off, we're going to have a look at the
look at how the girls are going in their World
Cup and what they are all right, we are up
to the World Cup semi finals and if you told

(03:06):
me at the beginning of the tournament, well we can
go back to the last episode. We know, white thoughts
were the thoughts we're going to be an Australia India
final and that has been turned on its head.

Speaker 4 (03:15):
India and England.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
The countries that we would probably say on paper are
two and three maybe you know, maybe three.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
Or four for England.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
South Africa has become a very very good nation its
own right. But all things considered with the you know,
the strength of the English cricket in the past and
the women's hundred and things like that, you would have
been expecting them to really push for a semi final berth.
Both of them have been eliminated. So it will be Australia,
South Africa, the West Indies New Zealand taking up the

(03:48):
semi final spots after Australia took down India in their
final game of the round, which due to the big
upset lost at the beginning of the tournament for India
against New Zealand put them right on the back foot.
New Zealand did the job against Pakistan which athmatically eliminated
India from contention, and then in probably what you would

(04:10):
say is close to the upset of the tournament, I
would imagine in terms of the severity of the context
of the game, the West Indies taking down England by
six wickets chasing down one hundred forty.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
I think on analysis it's probably a bigger upset than
the Kiwi's knocking over India, and that was we would
have got long odds and that I mean. I don't
like to float my own boat too much, but I
did mention the mental fragility of the Indian team in
the last podcast when we were discussing this, and.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
They've spent too many training sessions with the men's team.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Well whatever it's been, I mean, they just have a
sense that of it's not harm and pre doing all
of it, and I'm sure she top scored, but fifty
four or forty seven with the rest of the contributions
was never going to be enough. They were good, well,
they fell ten runs short and probably likely to get
that close. Really, to be honest with you, I thought

(05:09):
Australia were outstanding in the.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
Field and this was a wounded Australia release.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
Wounded Australia. What what a team of athletes we have
that represent us in the women's game.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
I really see poor Taylor Taylor of Olymic again, did
she did she like kick a black cat? She's into
a shop selling mirrors, like poor girl cannot stay fit?
Obviously well, Alissa Healy has an acute foot injury, is
what's been reported. They haven't officially ruled her out of

(05:43):
the tournament, but you'd imagine for for Heels to be
stepping aside. She's got to be in a world of
her I mean, she scored some guts of fifties with
multiple broken fingers, so she's not even playing.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
It's must be pretty good. She probably can't even stand
up would be more suggestion. You know, they're obviously not
going to fill us in the full details of it. Well,
the tournaments still going on, but it would be a
surprise if she's back.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
I thought Grace Harris did a phenomenal job at the top.
As we talked about, they're wickets that are pretty slow
and low, so they've all become pretty hard to start on.
So geting getting all that ball is still hard against
what's primarily been a.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
Bit Grace Harris. We kind of she gets lost in
the periphery of of all the superstars that we have
in his team, but she's a big performer in the
in the in the w B b L and every
time she seems to get a chance in an Australian jumper,
she does something it doesn't let any one really really
good player.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
I thought it was a really smart innings from her.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
There was obviously not the sort of wicket that you
can really tee off on. She was probably maybe one
adventure too far, but it was getting to the point
where you know she's to accelerate, but she put on
a really good forty to help sort of pace the
innings after they lost Mooney pretty early in the piece.
I think Elise Perry did a really good job. You know,

(07:08):
it doesn't look like a fantastic innings on paper when
you're looking at it like thirty nine or two off
twenty nine or something two.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
Off twenty three, So it was probably a little bit
quicker if you said to you know, it was thirty
two off twenty five, and I thought it was a
bit slower than that, but it was.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
It was a really tenuously poise at the time when
she sort of came out, they lost a couple of wickets,
you know, Ash Gardner got herself out being a bit
silly not long after that as well. Really needed a
steady hand, you know, as you say, I saw India
only was ended up being nine run short, so every
run was crucial, and you know, Pez doing Pez things,

(07:46):
putting on the finishing touches to get us to a
really competitive total. And then obviously the bowlers and Phoebe
Lichfield with that, with that fantastic runout doing that.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
She's a gun in the field, young Phoebe, isn't she.
It's not the first time we've seen him pull off
a pretty specky run out and a couple of good
catches as well. That was like that was ponting like
that run out, wasn't it, Which she just swooped on
it just steady itself and went You're gone. I was
wonderful to watch, doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
So? Yeah, So that poor is Australia for yet another
semi final birth, and I believe that they will take
on the West in. No, No, South Africa. I'll take
on Is it South Africa?

Speaker 3 (08:25):
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's South Africa. Where we'll go
back and I'll have a quick look at this.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
It wouldn't be the West In because they came second.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yes, Australia and South Africa and the West New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (08:36):
Well, that's that's big.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
It opens it up, doesn't it, because you're going to
have one of the I guess. I always like the
South African team in this tournament. I thought that they
the way that they've developed over the last eighteen months,
they were a real threat and that's proven to be so.
I mean, they haven't had a hiccup at all in
this tournament. They've been really, really good. I think a

(08:58):
lot of Wolvart's one the stars of the women's game.
And while you have a while you have a presence
like that in your team, you're always in the game.
If she gets enough support, it obviously makes them a
very very difficult team to get over. Think I think
will probably be good enough to do it, but it's
not going to be an easy game.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
And then you have us for a better opportunity. I mean,
we obviously know that the Australians aren't as you know,
there's a lot more depth for the Australian side than
just heally and for Limit. But you know, she's been
a vital part of the top of that order for
a long long time.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
And she's a very good captain too. I mean, we're
being very lucky in the women's game that we've gone
from an absolute legend captain in mad Landing to Alyssa
Hurtley taken over and she hasn't put a foot wrong. Yeah,
I mean, she's been outstanding. She her tactical in the
US very similar to a Runkle. Runkle is a very
fine tactician.

Speaker 4 (09:55):
And I think as.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Well, just due to the nature of how talented all
of the the women are in the Australian women's team.
For example, Ponting had a reasonably easy job. He had
his his six bats and he had his you know,
five bowling options, and so we knew he for a
one day, he'd give tender. McGrath give tenderly, he give war.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
Tender, Casper. It's tends to mcg tens McGill. Whoever happened.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
There wasn't too much juggling. He knew what resources he
had available and maybe there was the odd part time
got a bit of a trundle.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
But Andy Simon's would Simon's.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Standing on, you know, Ian Harvey at times as well,
Jamie and Martin, so like you know, Michael Young, Michael Clark,
things like that. Like he he didn't have too many
strings he needed to pull. The game plan was very much,
you know McGarr and Lee, you're going to get the
new ball, warn he's going to come in through the
middle overs and do some damage. And then it just

(10:57):
it went to the program whereas you know, as we
worked out between the wicketkeeper and Phoebe Litchfield everyone else
basically good bowl could give you, you know, maybe Grace
Harris seventeen to do a lot of bowling either, but
you know, there are so many bowling options in that squad.
I think Elise Perry has a career bowling average of

(11:19):
under twenty and I don't think she's bowling over in
this World Cup, I don't have to go back and check,
you know. And so knowing which strings to Paul, when
to ball them, which bowlers you know to play, which
bowlers aren't going to bowl their full allotment, which ones
do need to bowl their full it's and it's not
just at least a heally. Meg Lanning was sort of burdened,
I say, inverted Commas with this assort, you know, this

(11:40):
plethora of riches and knowing how to get the most
out of the team while properly utilizing everyone and getting
the most out of them while still sharing it to
It's a much bigger juggling act to try and get
the most optimum performance out of your players because you
have so many that can contribute in so many different ways,

(12:00):
especially with the ball. How many times we looked at
Australian scorecard and there's been seven or eight bowlers.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
And then none of them have got any tap and
they've all got wickets and you're.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Looking at someone like Megan Shoot, who in any other
team would you just plug her in for four overs,
ten overs, whatever it is whatever for match. She's bowling
all of them and she will regularly not bowl her
full a lotment because they've had.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
To overs, because I gave animal. I mean, look at
the last scorecard. The best bowler there was Annabelle Sutherland
and hang out here you go annabel Sutherlan two for
twenty two or four but didn't get a bat really either.
So and then Sophie Mullin, who was always going to

(12:41):
be difficult in those conditions and the fact that she
put Jess Jonason out suggests that the Australians had a
lot of faith in her in those conditions and she
delivered in spades.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Ye, It's just that that's the big thing that and
it's a and that comes from lots of preparation off
the field as well, so that all the coaching staff
involved in that and making sure there's a game plan
and knowing familiarity with your teammates and knowing which streams
to pull them when to pull them. There's there's a
great deal to admire about that, you know. Moving to

(13:13):
the other teams that are in there. So obviously South
Africa has been coming along, as you said, by leaps
and bounds over the last few years. They've just made
the last T twenty World Cup final unfortunately couldn't get
it done in their home conditions, losing up to to
the Aussie girls. But then you look at teams like
New Zealand and the West Indies, neither of them have
overly professional domestic tournaments back home, and they're you know,

(13:37):
they're in there ahead of powerhouses like India, like England
that have put lots and lots of money into their
domestic competitions. So proving that you know, the talent is
there and you know I've properly exploited, these teams could
become you know, very very good on the world scene.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
Yeah. Look, I think if you if you're just as
an unbiased observer, you will to look at the depth
in the women's game internationally, in the depth in the
men's game internationally. I think it's starting to become very comparable.
I mean, we're seeing teams like Pakistan, Sri Lanka starting
to perform on the bigger stage. I really think that

(14:17):
over the next ten years women's game has a lot
of growth and a lot of potential in it, and
a lot of new superstars to be unnearthed as well,
and not just from the traditional countries. We're going to
see you know another Hailey Matthews or another you know
what's the name Amari Chadapatu. Is that right? The Sri
Lankan lady you're going to because now these kids have

(14:39):
got role models and they're going to come through and
want to play for their country and play at the
highest level.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Well that I apologie because I'm probably gonna get this wrong,
but is a Kiana Joseph That was her first international
fifty that she got off thirty eight balls, which really
between her and Hailey Matthews brought at the back of that.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
Well, Hailey Matthews is just a genuine superstar of the
women game worldwide. So she is very much a role
model for these kids that are coming through, and I
think you're starting to see a little bit of that
for the West Indies women and certainly.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
Well Hailey Matthews, she was phenomenal. She took two for
thirty five Danny or White and Sophie eccleston and then
contributed with thirty eight ball fifty in a great partnership
with Joseph there that he, as I said, really really
broke the back of that run shakes and really put
them in ascendency. And then I.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
Really thinking got it wrong with this squad. They came
with no real pace bowling at all. They stacked the
team with spinners and it hasn't worked out for him.
It hasn't. And I mean you can probably say the
same about India as well. They never really brought a
lot of seamers, all very much spin based attack. I
had my questions over the Australian squad at the start.
It was probably the one thing I was looking at.

(15:54):
You know, we probably had maybe a cup to one
or two too many seamas, not enough spinners. But as
it's turned out that we've got it right again, credit
to the selectors and credit to that all the people
who are involved with this team, and as we said,
get it right.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
They are talented enough. I mean, look, Georgia ware them.
In most cases you would expect to be a tail end.
She's been batting at the top of the order. They've
got a way of balancing that side out so they
can fit. You know, they're seeing heavy players that they
want to take in without compromising. They're batting too much.
You know, you look at you know you've got Georgia
ware them. You've got more than you that's handy enough,
you've got Ash Gardner, who's a top order player.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
And you think about, you know, Alana King hasn't really
got a game in this tournament.

Speaker 4 (16:36):
And Alana King is a special ball and.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
She's a very very fine bowler as well. So they've
just got they've just seem to know which strings to
pull at the right time. And I really can't say
that stopping at this point in time.

Speaker 4 (16:49):
Things as well.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
They're not robots. It's not just you turn them on
and they go. They've got to stand up and contribute,
and you know it'd be difficult in games like that,
not necessarily knowing that you're going to get your four
overs to get into a rhythm that you've really got
to get in and get your job done and get
it done well right away, because if you go for
any tap there is everyone else in the team is

(17:10):
fully capable of coming and in bowling those overs that
you that you've been slotted for, so you know you're
on really that you've got to stand up and get
the job done. It's not simply a case of just
having your name called and you know, you just you know,
your wandering and you bobble the ball and they get
themselves out.

Speaker 4 (17:26):
They've had to go and.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Actually perform at the level required and not you know,
McGraw knew that I'm going to go and get my
ten overs and I'm good enough, I'm going to get
the job done. You know, if McGrath was, you know,
in that same environment, but he knew that if he
got his first three or four wrong, he mainly get
the ball back for the rest of the game sort
of thing in a one day You know how much harder.

Speaker 4 (17:49):
Would that be for in that environment knowing and you.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Know, the thing is, there's so many players we've left
out of that squad that if you don't you know,
you know, your numbers called and you don't answer, it
could be that you're not in play. Not only you
not get to finish the game, but you could find
yourself out of the playing eleven. With the depth that
we've got, so's it can be quite a you know,
while it's great to have so many players that can
perform at a level, you've got to go out there

(18:12):
and perform, and it can be quite daunting knowing that
there are three, four, five, six, seven people all voying
for your spot.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
They all want to bat, they want to have a
ball they want to bat. If you if you've asked
the majority of this team where would you like to bat?
I guarantee it all be in the top six yep.
And most of them are more than capable of batting
in the top six. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (18:33):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
I mean we've seen it just recently in a couple
of the Bilateral series where you know, our Taylor has
come in, like Georgie Wareham and Alana King just come
in and just smashing people all around the park and wow,
you're batting at nine.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
There are not a lot of skill gaps in that side,
all right. So prediction Australia South Africa.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
Who you got Australia quite easily.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
I think you reckon Australia easily, even with the potential
fragilities around the half.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
I think good enough. I think that they will be
extremely extremely motivated if Heels is out. I think will
definitely be out. Heels has hit hey's the question, but
I really think they're going to be highly motivated and
then they're going to want to make a statement.

Speaker 4 (19:19):
I think it's going to be South Africa. I think
it's going to be a good game.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
I think like those South Africans doubt the game. I
don't know about easily. I think the Australian is going
to be made to work forward a bit. I just
think at this point into the tournament you can't ever
really write anyone off.

Speaker 4 (19:35):
I think I think you're right.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
I think Australia too good, but I don't necessarily think
South Africa is going to get blown away.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
And then I'm prepared to put a twenty plus margin
on it.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Okay, Australians more more than twenty hours.

Speaker 4 (19:48):
Yeah, yeah, that's that's.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
Big, and especially considering the low scoring affairs. We've got
cool cool cool, and the other semi final, the New
Zaland versus.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
Les Let's get a conda, bro, we get toss a
coin bread?

Speaker 4 (20:02):
Are you going to have to coin on? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
I think the New Zealand have punched really well. I
mean they've taken out India in the course of this one.
But again, you know, the West Indies have slain their
fair share of giants. I'm going to give it to
the West Indies by and knows.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
I think.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
I just think that they've have got DeAndre Dotton, They've
got Hailey Matthews. I think there's some star players that
are ready to turn it on at the right time.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
Yeah, they tend to be down that line as well.
The only exception that I would make to that is
if Amelia Occur has a day out with the ball,
that could change the thing, because she's probably the real
X factor in that New Zealand team, the.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
Same as the men's side. They do love punching above
their weight. The New Zealand, oh.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
Yeah, massive credit to them. I mean they were run
a streak. If they hadn't won a game in eleven
or something, wasn't it before the start of this tournament.
So to turn that around and end up in the
semi final is a very very credible.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
Moments, all right.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
And so you're so you're thinking Windy's, I'm thinking, all right,
and then we go Australia and the Windy's for the final.
I'm pretty sure we could both safely say that we're
backing the Australians in from here.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
Yeah. Absolutely, the only thing you always have in the
back of your mind, Hailey, Matthews, Deandrew Dotton. They are
really really good players and capable of winning a game
off their own bat and owned ball. So having those
players in the opposition gives you a cause for nerves,

(21:34):
but I comfantly think we're going to be taking home
another trophy here.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
All right over to you girls after this, we'll have
a bit of a chat about how the palms are
faring in the FED. In the first Test against Pakistan,
I didn't think a Test match that was quite so
full of RUMs could be as boring.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
Is It's sad to say, isn't that? But unfortunately, folks,
it's true.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
It's probably one of the how do you how do
you score five hundred and fifty six runs in the
first innings and lose mine innings? In fact, it can't
be done well, it's never been done before. I'm pretty
sure I saw something that Pakistan are the first team
ever ever to lose a Test after scoring lose a

(22:27):
Test by an innings, I should say, after scoring five
hundred plus runs. Absolutely absurd and honestly the curators should
be having a long hard look at themselves. Pakistan has
been in the international fold for quite a while now.
I mean they have period away, but you know they've
been back at it for quite a while and none

(22:48):
of these wickets look like they're even close to offering
anything that's remotely a contest in a cricket game, and
it's it is almost beyond a joke. But the rest
we'll talk about the Test. So it said Pakistan five
hundred and fifty two. They were buoyed by some fine
knocks from Abdulla Chaffique sold Shakil with eighty two. Salmon

(23:14):
Aliaga got one hundred and four. Really, just yeah, that's
what you want. Five hundred plus on a road, you know,
first innings, that's a good start, you know. Jack Leech
bowled forty overs, went for four runs and over three
for one hundred and sixty. You know, nothing really to
ride home about in terms of so the face bowlers,

(23:36):
I suppose you can't really turn your nose up all
in bold twenty plus overs. All of them were under
four runs and over economy picked up a few wickets
here and there.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
The one who continues to impress me is Gus Atkinson.
I've had a look at like all those guys, you know,
because I've been watching a fair bit of this series.
Like I said, it's good cure for insomnia. So Gus
Atkinson seems to me to be the most likely one
of the crew that's coming through for the English, he's paced,

(24:08):
he keeps his pace really well. He's always touching that
one hundred and thirty eight one hundred and forty k's
in the hour, does a little bit with the ball
both ways, and looks like he's fit enough to handle
an Australian summer, which I always look at English fast
balls and go, how are you going to do when
it's thirty eight degrees at the black of mate at
two thirty in the afternoon on Saturday? How are you

(24:29):
going to be doing? And he looks to me like
he's the one so far that I've seen out of
the group that they've brought through that looks like he's
up to the task. I am impressed with Matt Potts
as well. He didn't every time he gets an opportunity
he does quite well. It didn't play. It didn't play

(24:50):
in the first Test, just as those are the two
that I think are the ones that we really need
to be looking at going forward from ashes point of view,
that look likely candidates. They did their job. Chriss does
what Chris Wave's done. Leach again. He just bores people out, man,

(25:14):
That's what he basically does. He bores you out. Because
you're thinking in hisself like you must be sitting there
as a batsman fehimself. I'm just going to put you
over the fence, mate.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
That's literally what we did for the last ashes to it.
You could just tell the whole momentum shift. It was like, oh,
Jack Leach's on and everyone started charging the wicket and
hitting over the top. Australia's treating this guy like a joke,
and he keeps his final ways to pick up international
wickets the credit. We must know that the players are
coming after him.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
He does. He does what he does in very much
a Nathan Line sense. He does what he does very well. Okay,
he's got a very limited skill set, but I wouldn't
compare him to Nathan Lyne. Nathan Lyne has a few
more tricks up his sleet like Jack Bleach thems too,
but he maximizes, but he maximized his talent. The one

(26:01):
who I was disappointed in actually from the English point
of view was young Bersher. I think they're throwing into
the wolves a little bit at the moment.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
Oh look, I'm not going to hold any of the
bowlers really to too high a standard. There was nothing
doing in that way. It was absolute, absolute, absolute roight.

Speaker 4 (26:17):
Like you know, he's a young bowler.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
These are probably some of the worst conditions you'll ever
bowl in. You know.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
He just seemed to move from what I'd seen of
him in India, where he was very impressive in the
England India Test Series. He looked like he'd taken almost
gone backwards a little bit. He wasn't flying the ball
at all. He's very very flat, very fast through the air,
and the Pakistanis just picked him off. They basically just
picked him off, sat on him. He didn't really pose

(26:44):
too much of a threat and he's analyst shows you know,
one for one hundred and twenty four or thirty overs,
it is what it is.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
Moving to the second in Englihich is quite frankly one
of the most astonishing batting innings I've ever watched. Seven
declared after one hundred and fifty overs for eight hundred
and twenty three video game esque Joe route two hundred
and sixty two Harry Brook basically as near as makes
no difference. A Runnaball three hundred and seventeen that came

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to the crease at three for two forty nine, and
then Joe Root left at four for seven hundred and three.
Just absolutely ridiculous. Joe reproving how losing the captaincy has
been the best thing that's ever happened to It a
boon to him and the run scoring that he is
going on is phenomenal. And I say this as a

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Steve Smith fan. He is unquestionably the another one.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
Oh yeah, I was just about to say that, you know,
just wanted to say. I think he's really staked his
authority over the last eight ed masters, being not only
the best batsman in the world, but probably the most
consistent batsman in the world as well. And you know,
if you don't get him early, he's going to hurt
you really bad these days. I mean, I remember we've
had discussions on the podcast in previous times. We discussed

(28:07):
the Fab four and Roots conversion rate about one hundreds
to fifties was always my question about him. How about
it now?

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Oh yeah, he's certainly he's he is genuinely a chance
to chase down Satchin.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
I think he is if he stays healthy. I mean,
it's not asking that much. What nine hundred runs a
season for another three or four seasons. Man it's not
that it's not that much.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
And considering the amount of Tests that England play, and
let's be fair, they're going to play a lot of basball,
which we've seen over in England has had a substantial
change to the way their wickets are prepared. So gone
are the days where you're really playing on dreight like
green like seeming monsters anymore. And that being said, joe
Roots average in England while playing in those conditions was

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near enough to fifty. So did he batted well in
those conditions anyway. But now considering that the just the
pace that he canna play their Test matches, that his
phenomenal conversion rate, and the fact that the wickets over
there are probably going to be a bit more tame
as as long as they're sort of entertaining this style
of play, I can't see any reason, short of injury,

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that Joe won't be finishing his career at the top
of the truckers.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
If he plays two hundred Tests, he will clearly go
past such and Tindooker. Okay, sach In Tindooker played two
hundred Test matches. If he goes if he plays that number,
he I reckon he'll go past it.

Speaker 4 (29:34):
One question.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
He stays on this sort of run man, and I
mean he doesn't even even.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
He's only on one hundred and forty seven tests, a.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
Number fifty tests. He's just taking his record there. That's
another what's five thousand runs? Four thousand runs? Yeah, so
he's he's going to be pretty close.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Well, he's averaging fifty time he goes about the bat,
you know, fifty tests. So that's he's averaging one hundred
runs of tests there, five thousand runs.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
Quick math, how do you reckon? Olipope? Is Furling got
a good rock, didn't he? Let's have a look at
the scorecard. It was like a rank long hot that
he absolutely blasted and this guy's jumped out of the
ground and pulled it out of the out of the sky.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
And next seventy eight off, eighty five for Crawley, two
hundred and sixty two for eighty four for duck At,
three hundred and seventeen for Brook, thirty one for Smith,
and we're sort of getting into the declaration bit. Woke's
got seventeen, Atkinson got too brighton Cars got nine, and
he's Ollipope lasted two balls and scored a duck.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
Oh he'd be absolutely felthy, aren't you.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
And I think that's you know, obviously he's been given
a license a bit to play like that, and it's
hard to argue because he certainly flourished as a Test
cricket since Basball.

Speaker 4 (30:52):
But that is the other side of the coin flippers.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
Well, yeah, when you're given a bit of freedom, lay.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
Die by sword baby. But yeah, look that was kind
of an and quite frankly at the end, it was
really really boring.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Well, I think of the thing is as well, what we.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
It was.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
I'm not going to say tactical, because it's just it's
their mindset. But what it did do the way that
they played, you know, Joe Roots two hundred and sixty
two was a de strike rate of seventy, Harry Brooks
three hundred was a strike rate of ninety eight. It
put them in a position eight hundred and twenty three
runs off one hundred and fifty overs that there was
still plenty of games we played and they've come out

(31:33):
and you were thinking, okay, well, clearly it's got to
be a draw. And I think this is just the
absolute fragility of Pakistan. They just didn't rally at all.
They just got walked all over and dismissed for two
hundred and twenty and lost the game by like surely
after there's been thirteen or nearly fourteen hundred runs scored
in the first to you know, the first two innings,

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you just go out and you're dead bat it and
you have a draw like the fact that they were
knocked over for two hundred and twenty inside of fifty
five overs.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
And you have to look at that score card as well,
all the runs come from down the order.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
You know, they were feet golden duck well the four
of their wickets. So first ball, lost another wicket in
the set in the seventh over, lost a wicket in
the twelfth over, lost another wicket the thirteenth over, lost
a wicket in the eighteenth over, the twenty fifth over,
and then you had a bit of a partnership and
you didn't lose another one to the forty ninth and
then that was all sort of fell away at the

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end the fifty fifth well, both both the last weickets
then fell in the fifty fifth over.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
It's just.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
Like you can't lose five wickets or six wickets in
twenty five overs. When you've just watched the team score
eight hundred and twenty runs, like, I don't care. I
don't care whether it is you're just mentally fried because
you've been out there for so long. You guys are
professional cricketers. Do your job properly. That should have been
one like the wicket hadn't really changed, wasn't like it

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was now turning sideways.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
And didn't There was nothing in that wicket. And I
watched the start of the Pakistan second innings and it
was it's just not Test standard, man.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
It was.

Speaker 4 (33:14):
It was a team that had checked out, was what
it was.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
They they've just they've been out in the field for
one hundred and fifty overs literally chasing leather up because
the rate that England were batting, not really having any
luck at all. Even before the massive partnership, they were
up against it at you know what two for two
point fifty or whatever it was when they lost the
wicket that Brook to the crease and they were still

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going at a rate of knots. So it wasn't like
they built any pressure at all. They just basically been
watching Root, Ducket and Crawley smack them to all parts.
Then Harry Brook comes out and you know, the decimation
then even intensified. But this was a team that had
watched that and had no fight. They had no fight
left in them all the they just they checked out.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
They've gone home and fifty five overres You lasted fifty
five overs on that wicket. Fifty five overs and when
let's face it, it's not the most terrifying England attack
you've ever seen in the world. These guys are making
guys like Jack Leech look really, really good and it's

(34:23):
just not acceptable at this standard. You know, you want
to you want people.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
Four for thirty off seven overs is what Jack Leach's
got in that second inning. Now, look, Jack Leach, he's
way better than where every going to be. It's not good,
but he is at best. He's an honest cricketer. He's
a hard working cricketer. He's not a guy that should
be ripping you apart on a wicket like that. But yeah,

(34:51):
that was a team that had just and to be honest,
the Pakistan fans deserved better, yea, after all they had
gone through Like you've just watched their even go and
be obliterated for a day and a bit watching England
and Rooting and Brookie particular, tear them apart. The least
you can do as a batting unit is go out

(35:12):
there and apply yourself and come away with a draw.
If nothing else. You know, your your fans have stuck
by you through thinking thin. They're every bit as passionate
as Indian fans, and they had to do it with
the fact that they could not watch their team for
a long period of time. They're finally bringing it at home.
Things are you know, the PSL is doing good things.

(35:35):
You're hoping that your team is trending up. The last
thing that you, you know, the bare minimum you should
be giving out is all right, we've just got just
got wallopped in this game. But you know what, let's
go and save it. At the very least, let's just
say it. We'll get out of here with the drawer
and we'll try again in the second.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
Exactly. The thing is if you if you do save
the game, everybody's going to go, what a heroic thing
is have done? You know, like you you know what.

Speaker 4 (36:00):
To be honest, no, I don't think they would do.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
I don't think you're not heroic when you just watch
fIF fotundred runs means yeah, but it's the bare minimum
to be fair, like saving the game should be would
be expected. I don't think anyone and and honestly it
shouldn't be considered heroic that they stood out there after,
you know, concede after fourteen hundred runs have been scored,
that they went and survived the third innings, that should

(36:23):
be that should be expected.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
Yeah, I agree, but it's how how you can paint
paint them. You look at the get the best hitcher.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Out of a really bad the first test of the
ten to eleven Ashes series where we were on top
for the first two innings, we bad, It wasn't great,
but we put on a score we or then we
know we knocked England over for not a great deal,
a nice medium issh start. We replied in kind and

(36:54):
then Trot and Cook and Peterson I think it was
came out and just demolished our bowlers for that third
innings and I think they declared and we scored one
for fifty in the last sort of little bit that
the game petered out to a nothing draw, but it
set the tone that England rallied at the Gabba where

(37:16):
they're supposed to be mowed over cook trot. Peterson went
out and said, you guys don't scare us. You don't
have McGrath, don't have worn. We're not fussed by Siddele,
We're not fussed by Health and House. We're not fussed
by Xavier Doldy. Your batters are over the hill or
not quite good enough where we're not going anywhere.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
We're here. We're here to win, and look we've got
the team to do it.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
You know, you can send you can achieve things in
that and farther than coming up and standing up in
that third innings, you know, and just not giving England
an inch, maybe even taking a chip off them. You know,
you get yourself in a position where you can't be
bowled out. Then you go after him and you have
a bit of a slap and dash, you have Muhammed
one go and eat cars and leech and these guys

(38:03):
all around the park going yeah whatever, we're not fussed
by you. Instead, you get yourselves knocked over by a
side that conceded five hundred and fifty odd runs in
the first innings, which isn't a great bowling return. But
now this England side that let's face it, as you said,
is not their most experienced attack considering the conditions they're
likely to come up against. Isn't their most threatening attack that,

(38:24):
you know, isn't the most threatening attack you could take
to conditions like that. And now you've given them a
world of confidence. They know that when push comes to shove,
they can knock you over in the most benign conditions
for before they get a new ball.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
You just it's really is living in the batsman's head
rent free, isn't it? We and you know you you
just we just shumuliated you on a road mate.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
The batsmen lose all their confidence. The bowl isn't now
full of confidence. It's yeah, they needed to be better
than that, and obviously not taking anything away from England,
they had to execute that. They didn't just kick their
own stumps over. But you know, England had to bowl
well and they did that. But like they but bowling.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
Well is just a minimum standard for Test cricket, isn't it. Really?
You expect Test class bowlers to bowl well.

Speaker 4 (39:12):
Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
And the conditions did certainly did not warrant at him
being eliminated in and burned.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
Five for fifty fifty five just absurd. Five for fifty
they were and it was just a procession.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
And honestly, it's the guys that shouldn't like all the
people coping the treatment with the bowlers, and they're the
ones that actually had the guts to stand up and
go what are you doing? All the batsmen that are
basically just there to field just decided to the.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
Probably one bright spot that Pakistan could take out of
this thing is they really have found someone with this
Amir Jamar. He's a good bowler. He was probably the
pick of their bowlers in that in that debarkle of
first innings and the guy shows a bit of courage
with the bat as well. I think, you know, he's
a guy who you really want to be looking the

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play as much as possible. But they have lost so
much Pakistan. I mean it was only a couple of
years ago.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
Has arms been dropped for the second Test as well?

Speaker 3 (40:07):
Well? Yeah, Barba is a shadow of that player who
we were only eighteen months ago, two years ago. Someone's
the best batsman in the world. He's just he's you know,
it was in that you know, it wasn't the Fab
four anymore. It was the Fab five and basically from
that point he's gone. It's like twenty innings since he's
made fifty in Test cricket. That's like Mark Taylor, you know,

(40:31):
And but Barbaraaz is nowhere near the captain.

Speaker 4 (40:34):
That Mark Taylor was not even the captain anymore.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
We stood down to try to try and prepare his
bad in.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
I really think he's just they've actually found you know,
when Barba's really going well and he kind of just
stands there and just smashes you through the covers or
just flips you through midwicket. Well, that foot plant has
now become his achilles heel where Bill was a target
in it. And he looks very very vulnerable at anything

(41:01):
that's sort of pitched up straightish, you know, round about
that that fourth stump coming in towards off stuff. He
looks very very vulnerable because he's not taking a full stride.
And when he's going well, it looks wonderful. He's kind
of just props in this bang. But when you're not
banning well, then the sort of things that you get
found out for. He's been caught behind all the time.
He's been bold and he's doing LBW and that tells

(41:24):
you that there's a footwork problem in his technique.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
So they'll be looking to bounce back and believe the
test has started as we're recording this, so they'll be
looking to bounce back with a bit more positivity.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
You know.

Speaker 4 (41:39):
I can't imagine the conditions will be any more helpful.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
I think they're playing, they're playing the game at the
same venue.

Speaker 4 (41:47):
Well, it's not like it's broken up to the point.
It's unusually Well.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
I was watching that the other I was watching it
last night and it's then there's no footmarks on it.
There's no footmarks. Can you have a wicket doesn't have
any footmarks? Yeah, it's just it's just nuts, like as
a bowl you just go.

Speaker 4 (42:05):
It's not acceptable from the ic C.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
It's not acceptable that you should be able to play
a game like that and the wicked is pristine enough
that you can then start another test on it.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
That's just I mean, the only only parts that I
could see and the wicket were broken up was the
crease where your mark your guard, where you're actually scratching
through the surface. That's the only part of the look
that it's broken up at all.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
It is unacceptable and like the ic C should be
hitting it with a paw, and honestly out of just
the should be doing it for this one as well.
They both of these should get a paw, which would
then be basically means they can't play at that venue
again for whatever it is, for.

Speaker 4 (42:43):
Whatever the fenalty you.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
Speaking, unless unless that the Wicked had nothing. We know
that Wicked had nothing in it to start with, so
there's not going to be any pace or carrying it.
And so the only reason that it may not get
a paw is if it then breaks up enough that
you can actually get the spin out of it, that
might get a below average But even then I think
didn't even do that. But I mean, now it's it'll
be ten days old as opposed to five.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
Jack Loachs took four wickets in the second innings with
straight balls. He did have a lutam. I know, this
is just absurd.

Speaker 4 (43:11):
I'm just laughing.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
It's shame on you.

Speaker 4 (43:13):
Pakistan Krifi joked that my dad.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Always that whenevery bold spin is that he would get
wickets because people would be expecting something that slow to
turn and they played for the turn and it wouldn't.
And Dad obviously never played an over the high levels of.

Speaker 4 (43:27):
Cricket He's just like, oh he has to be bold
and spin.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
All right, we're going to get out of this one
and talk about something that's a little bit more nearer
and dearer to our hearts. Today's Round one of the
Shield and any possible baggy green selections it might be
yielding out of that. It feels like the summer has
begun when we get to this point in the domestic schedule,
and that is of course round one of the Sheffield

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Shield fixtures. I was lucky enough that I went to
go and watch a day of the New South Wales
and South Australia one.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
At Cricket Central, which was pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
I've got to see young gun Sam Constace bring up
his second of his tons that he scored in that game,
and those will start with the New South Wales South
Africa South Australia game.

Speaker 4 (44:17):
Arrived on the scene. In day one.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Sam conscast with one hundred and fifty two really sort
of pace that innings as New South Wales went onto
three hundred and sixty six, had some help from Josh
Philippy with a half century some starts. Ollie Davies got
a thirty odd starts all down the order. Liam Hatcher
twenty six TV seeing in nineteen Edwards sixty.

Speaker 4 (44:41):
So yeah, all together sort of a bit of a
bit of a bit.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
It was, I mean, maybe a little bit of early
season rush there for a couple of the guys as well,
but yeah, you really want to be taking that opportunity
early in the season. The way Young Sam did that
was a very very impressive, very aggressive.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Like he was forty or one hundred and twenty balls
in that first innings and then really accelerated up with
a strike rate over sixty, treated spinners like Lloyd povin
minente with absolute disrespect when he was said, all right,
now it's time for me to get going. Yeah, really
really special to watch. Very impressed with that. In reply,

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South Australia only managed to score sorry what was a
two hundred and sixty, which was offer an Alex Carey ninety.
Nathan McSweeney also chipped in with a very hard for
fifty five to really sort of fly his flag because
he also got a fourth innings one hundred as well,

(45:42):
to fly his flag as someone who is looking like
he's destined for the next level.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
I like him. I think he's a very very good,
solid player and you can see the upward curve with
him over a period of time where he's taking his opportunities.
I think he's a captain of South Australia now.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
He is at the moment yep. And even with Head
and care there, Yeah, he's retained the captain.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
He's retained the captaincy. So I think there's a lot
of upside of this guy. He keeps making these Australia
A squads and he's done relatively well when he's played
in them as well. We could do a lot worse
and we do. That's the thing we're really looking for
in Australia is some middle order depth. I mean, obviously
have some good openers.

Speaker 4 (46:21):
And only twenty five as well.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
I think he and Olie Davies are probably the pick
of the young middle order players coming through. Did himself
no issues here at all, backed it up with a
match saving one hundred and twenty seven not out along
with Alex Carey he's one hundred and eleven, so he's
looking like he's in mid season form ahead of the

(46:42):
Border Gavasca Trophy there.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
We really do know, I mean to be at our best,
We really do know our keeper to be chipping in
some good runs and Kerry, I mean, I personally think
he's good enough back in the top six. They won't
do that, but I would not surprise me to see
him have a good series of the bat. He's a
very difficult guy to bowl too. I would suspect he

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hits the ball into unusual areas Alex.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Carry, Yeah, and I think that's one of the good
things about him, especially in the in a short form game,
that he can't access those weird and wonderful areas. So
in the setting up the innings, Sam Constas came out
again after they dismissed.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
Well, they had a chance to knock him over for zero.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
Yeah. Cares unfortunately put down a brittish straightforward one just
flicked the outside edge cost him so one hundred and
five runs Constants ended up with. I have to say
his century was one of the most second central, the
most bad things I've seen so the cricket central. The
way they'd set it up, everyone was at the one

(47:45):
corner of the ground. They're still constructing a grandstand, and
so from where he was batting at that end we
would have been at deep third man. He couldn't get
around and stand where he hit it because he hit
a slog sweep or over deep bid wicket and so
he hit it away from us. So he's connected with
the ball on ninety five and turned to salute the

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crowd before the ball across the rope.

Speaker 4 (48:10):
He knew.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
That's how well he knew he'd hit it. He's just
he's cracked it, stood, picked his helmet up, turned face
the crowd and so like I could see Constance's face
as the ball has then dropped over the white picket
fence on the far I wish I was filming it.

Speaker 4 (48:26):
It was so I was just like, that is a.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Kid who is confident in his abilities. He hasn't sort
of watched his shot to go, is it go and
get up?

Speaker 4 (48:34):
Get up, get up. He's just hit it and like, yep,
that's one hundred right there.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Turn around wave yep? How was them all?

Speaker 4 (48:39):
Just like that is brilliant.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Really.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
One thing that has done is has probably put him
in a conversation that he I don't think he's ready
to be in at this point in time. I'm sure
let him have a game for Australia Ray, but yeah,
I think it's you know, Boomera and Cora a lot
different to batan on a road create Central against South Australia.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
There he is, he's in that running now those twin hundreds.
He's been picked for the Australian A side, which could
end up being a bit of a bat off because
Bancroft is in there as well Paris and Mark Renshaw
didn't actually feature in that side, so you know it's
changed sometimes how they're going to run these things. Does
that mean that Renshaw is.

Speaker 4 (49:22):
Now fall into.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
Behind Bancroft and behind Harris.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Well, I would say he would almost have to be
behind them. I don't necessarily know whether or not they're
just started a lab tract as well.

Speaker 4 (49:34):
Now not anymore, he's not on the contract Limmo. His
contract was. He had that twelveth month contract he didn't get.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
He is renewed, so you know, hopefully and I'm in
the same boat as you would be exciting to see him, David.
But it is a lot different to see Boomera and
co on Test wickets as Doggett and McAndrew and company
at Cricket Central. So I'm hoping this is just let's
get him in, let's feeding given taste Eastern International cricket.

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But we're really looking at more of the players with
a bit more of a sample size.

Speaker 4 (50:06):
But what that would indicate is that.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Harris and Bancroft now would appear to be ahead of
Renshaw in the pecking order. Keeping in mind that Renshaw
is the last of the three of them to actually
play for Australia, so he's played the most recent game
for Australia. So you can understand why players be a
little bit poor.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
Old Bancroft went and got himself a duck. He got
himself a pair, Yeah, got himself a pair.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
So that is the one thing I would say from
this round is it's quite disappointing to see how like
all the matches were draws.

Speaker 4 (50:39):
That really well.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
I suppose the new South Pale South Australia one was
poised to look interesting in the McSweeney and carry put
that to bed, but the other two were just on road. Well,
we'll go to the Victorian and Tasmanian one. So Tasmanie
ended up being one hundred, one hundred runs ahead at

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the end of their editnings. Victoria got to two for
one twenty so had a twenty run lead and then
they shook hands called it to day declared finished two
declared for one twenty and shook hands to the draw.
So like that's how.

Speaker 4 (51:19):
You know how much how competitive that one was and
you're looking at that.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
So as we said, Marcus Harris reminded the selectors he's
still about with a rapid one forty three. Peter Hanscombe
also keeping the selectors honest for when we're having a
look at that tort Sri Lanka as he established himself
as a bit of a spin specialist in the middle
order over in the tor to India and then there
was contributions the whole way down as they went on

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to score nine to four twenty eight and then Tasmania
with some big, big middle order contributions. Bo Webster, what
a what a purple patch he's in at the moments.
I think he's doing like six hundreds and four fifties
out of his last twenty times.

Speaker 4 (52:01):
Out to bat.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
And it keeps taking wickets too. It's very it's a
it's a conundrum. I think he proses a big conundrum
for the selectors because well, I wanted.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
To float this to you, so as we've talked about it,
the off cam Green has been ruled out for the summer.
I'm not necessarily leaning in this direction, but I've just
a thought that across my mind. There's been Mitch Marsh
hasn't really looked like being remotely ready to handle a

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large bowling workload.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
Although he's although he has come out and stated in
on ESPN Creick Info that he's ready to bowl as
many overs as Paddy wants him to buy.

Speaker 4 (52:47):
Okay, well that's good to hear.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
There would there be you know, obviously Smith moving down
to fact you'd imagine back down to four, would there
be room to put someone else either maybe a Marnus
or a Travis Head, or maybe in a Mitch Marsh,
which I would really hate to be Mitch Marsh because
I just don't think he could play the new ball
at Test level to be able to then get a
bow webster into that side instead of an opener, which

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then gives you multiple bowling options. As we know that
Bo does a bit of both bit of sea muff
and a bit of off speed, it.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
Would be an adventurous way to go. But I mean,
I'm people keep talking about Travis as an opener. I
don't want him to open.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
I don't mind him opening in spinning conditions where he's
likely to face the like get him in there against
the hard new ball. We know that Travis doesn't start
particularly well against slower bowling, and he really capitalizes when
the ball's coming onto the bat, which is why I
advocated it when they were playing over in India and
then again in Trilanka. And it's going to be turned
out to be a really good move, isn't it. And

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then you can really put some pressure back on those
bowlers and they've got to spread the field. Then all
of a sudden, all those mishits that Travis might have.

Speaker 4 (53:52):
The field spread.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
I just think bo Webster is a guy that is
you know, he's right at the peak of his career
in his late twenties early. There's probably not going to
be a lot of room for him to maybe get
in unless we're talking like a hussy or a voge
is coming in after say a Smith retires. But given that,
the fact that we've got a questionable all rounder. But
if Marsh is saying that he's fitting ready to go,
I suppose that probably puts that to bed that it

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will be an opener.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
It doesn't mean the thing is Marsh has been fitting
ready to go how many times in his career and
then broken down to.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
That could be that I could be a guy that
you look at if Marsh does like does Marsh bat
Do we pick Marsh as a batsman? Let's say first
Test he goes in as the all round that we take,
we take an opener, so it's Ussy and new opener.
The rest of the team is by the numbers. Marsh
batting at six the rounder, he does a hammy and
then he is ruled out or he has a back

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spasm or something like that, and they can only then
play as a batsman. No, do we play Marsh purely
as a batsman in that with or do we think
that we need to let him go and pick an
all rounder. I would be leaning towards despite the fact
that you know Marsh's obviously had some impressive scores over
the last eighteen months two years, I would be thinking
that we probably need to make way from all round

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and considering you're playing.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
I don't think Mitch Marsh is in the top six
batsmen in the country and therefore, if we're going to
stick to the criteria that Bailey and that are applying,
then he shouldn't be in the team if you can't bowl.
He came in as a direct replacement for Cam Green
in the ashes, kept his spot because he was able
to bowl and had been scoring and had been scoring

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runs as well, so I would I've got there's just
this nagging feeling in the back of my mind about
Mitch Marsh at the moment he has he gone off
the boil. Have seen have we seen pete? Mitch Marsh.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
He did come out and score at ninety in the
second innings to put that game to bed against against Queensland.
So these you know, finding some long form batting form
right at the right time.

Speaker 4 (55:57):
Only got thirteen in the first innings. That was a
really interesting game as well. I mean you look at that.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
You couldn't ask for a better start for Queensland, you know,
Nissa removing Bancroft and Goodwin in the first two balls
they had them four for seventy seven. And then the
forgotten guy in all of this, Sam Whiteman, scores another
hundred and then backed up by Josh English and Cooper

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Connolly who both scored some fairly rapid. English scored one
hundred and then Connolly really sort of standing his name
on you know, being one of the stars of the
future with a seventy nine off one hundred and four
and Cameron Gannon also with a fifty three off ninety
one to really put the Queen's legs to the sword

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a bit and really just set that game up.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
He keeps doing it, doesn't he. Sam Whiteman, He just
keeps churning out these runs and he's never in the
conversation would your left field selection, But I don't think.

Speaker 4 (57:03):
I'd have to think that he's not in the in
the they haven't made that Australia a squad.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
He's not in the frame.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
He's not going to be one there what they're considering, well.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
He's Here's the question for you is what does he
have to do to be in the frame?

Speaker 4 (57:14):
Be younger?

Speaker 2 (57:16):
You reckon, Yeah, If Whiteman hasn't made it a by now,
that's that's he's not going to make it. He need
to be younger, which is which is a shame because
you know, for the last well we're talking probably four
four years or so now, Whiteman has been one of
the more consistent opening bats. You know, no huge, huge numbers,

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but certainly nothing that you turn your nose that that
for for a long time, I always thought that he
was unlucky not to get considered more than once. But
you know, looking at Australia a squad now that that's
come through that if Whiteman's not in that squad, I
can't see him as being there. Considering especially considering the

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context of what's going on where there is a vacant
open a spot, I can't see if he's not in
that squad. As part of that.

Speaker 4 (58:11):
Off that bat off, I.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
Would imagine he would have to probably get like almost
when Curtis Patterson forced his way into the side, I
think he'd almost have to do that. He'd be having
to score probably one hundred every other time he goes
out to bat up until they picked the the the
eleventh for the first Test. You just have to do
it purely off off runs. And he got off the

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good start. He got one hundred and then you've got
a dud score. And I think that's also the other
thing that you know, unfortunately is the life of an
opener is there's a lot of low scores in Whiteman's
kick bag as well as the big hundreds.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
So yeah, lookd he averages mid forties in first class cricket,
So that in itself is pretty good. I mean when
we get into the to the crunch for point now,
but we look at the Australian team, I really think
if they feeding in Bancroft has to be given a guy,

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something needs to give with this guy, he can't do
any more than what he's done. Yeah, he got to
pair the other day. More openness, get pairs occasionally it happens.
I really think for the state, for the sake of
stability in at the top of the order, I would
be picking Bancroft and gives.

Speaker 4 (59:26):
You that right left combination as well.

Speaker 3 (59:28):
I really do think he's at the peak of his powers.

Speaker 4 (59:32):
And look, I know they.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
Really wanted Green back into the side because we know
what a talent Green is. But when more to retired
Bancroft had we should have been head and shoulders the
guy that they were they were looking at to be
the replacement opener.

Speaker 4 (59:46):
But they decided the best thing to do would be
to put.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
Cam Green back into the side and then find a
makeshift workaround to make that happen. But he was the
guy that should have been Like at the beginning of
or the end of the last Shield season, he was
clearly the next best guy. And so you know, a
you're going to say that you get, you undo all
of that work off one game. You know, as we've

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it could be the case. I mean, as we've seen that.
You know, Sam Constaus, I don't think he'd scored more
than forty.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
Before the I think he had a fifty one fifty, but.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Nothing that you'd be like, this guy is about to
get a bag of green, goes out and scores two
very good hundreds on a ground that really wasn't offering
a great deal playing Devil's Advocate, wasn't a lot in
that wicket against a not a great attack. But he
scored two hundreds in that game. And now is you
know they're talking about him being I think parachuting of
the side.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
Think it's just ridiculous, really, I I had.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
I was having any conversation with someone who mentioned that
David Warner hadn't played much Shield or any Sheeld cricket
before he debuted. And I think the big difference between
that is David Warner debut in a T twenty back
when most countries were still taking T twenty as a bit.

Speaker 4 (01:01:04):
Of hitting giggle.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
You know, you sort of don't mind if a player
goes and makes a fool of himself debuting in a
twenty over you know, six or six sort of style game.
It's a big difference between a guy's on they played
five Shield games and then giving him a test debut
against probably the.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
Number one bowler in the world at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
If he'd had a couple of scores in those five games,
like you know, we're talking about maybe five, you know,
three or four hundreds and a few fifties maybe in
those games, yeah, possibly, But the fact that the bulk
of his first class runs have come in the one game,
I think it's a big ass.

Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
Then go from that into so why do we do this?

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
But why, I mean, why is it we feel that
we have to do this to these kids? I mean
it was he.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Whiley scored one hundred against New South Wales in his
not all his sophomore years, we played the back end
of that of one Shield campaign and then came out
and started the following year for him scored one hundred,
and then by the end of that afternoon he was
a boulter for that Ashes winter that we were about
to go to. And it's like what the guy has
scored one Shield hundred and hasn't actually done anything. He's

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no longer in the best eleven for WAT.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
At that point, he's on the out of the moment,
so Wa.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Sir, I don't necessarily mind so long as they're insulating
Sam a little bit from all because the media needs
something to talk about, and what better thing to talk
about as a nineteen year old. It's just scored a
pair of hundreds in a position that he's actually currently
vacant in the Australian side. The media is going to
lap that up. So I hope that there's some responsible
thinking going and really genuinely asking is this guy ready

(01:02:49):
to make that next step? Not just he scored a
couple of hundreds against some other Shield players, but are
we looking at that going he is ready to make
that leap and the guys who is? And I think
it's a good move putting him in that Australia race
sport because we get to see what he looks like
against India's.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
Next they will play it. They will play a pretty
strong team in the Indians don't worry about that, so
it'll be a good test for him, particularly as new
ball particularly Boomer plays. It'll be interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
I think I can't imagine Bomber playing though. Do you
reckon boom Well playing that game?

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
It depends on his fitness and I think they just.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
They know what they're going to get out of Boomer.
I think they just wrap him in cotton wool. I
don't think your bowl an actual competitive ball in Australia
until the first test would I would hate to have him,
you know, get a side straight or something in an
Australia a game for a guy that's.

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
Look, that's a good point, but I mean you do
they work on workloads and stuff like that, and maybe
that his workload will require him to ten or fifteen
neighbors in that game. I mean, you just don't know.
We'd sports science and stuff like this. I'm with you.
I basically wouldn't be allowed. I will allow on him
out of the hotel room until until that first test

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made he he is squad games or he is the
key to this entire series. If he has a series,
a good series, we're really really going to struggle to
get over the top of these guys. I rate the
guy so high. He's the greatest Indian fast baller I've
ever seen, and I've seen Capaldev, and Capaldev is a

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different ball to what barn was. Cap is more of
a swing bowler. Boomer can swing the ball, but it's
sat amazing arm position and he gets up he's wrist
into and gives him that control and just a consistent pace.
He's always at one hundred and thirty eight, one hundred
and forty, one hundred and forty two's. He's just a

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class act. He really is.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Definitely, Yeah, So I think there's a lot to look at.

Speaker 4 (01:04:50):
I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
I don't think that Constance will be deba wing this year,
which I think he'll be good for him to be.
I would love to see him go out, you know,
get a couple of good scores in this Australia A game,
prove that, you know, I am ready for.

Speaker 4 (01:05:09):
The next time.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
I want to see a thousand runs, sir, and then.

Speaker 4 (01:05:12):
Come back and go right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
So I was doing this against Indian bowlers that are
about ready to play for their country, if they're not
already playing for their country, and here I am. Now
I'm just going to go and just mop the floor
with the rest of the rescue going. The rest of
the Australian domestic system and get a really good really
I will be I aing Sam conscious. I'm hoping what
Australia is looking at is they're looking at them going

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that down next buzzy.

Speaker 4 (01:05:37):
You know, we need someone now.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
But when Azz he gives that away in another twelve
months or so whatever that might be, that nineteen year
old he might end up having to wait till he's
twenty two, depending on how warms he wants to play.

Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
And how to be terrible for Australian credit, wouldn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
But that they I'm hoping they're looking at going we'll
have some of that later and then just trying to
shovel as much high level cricket into him as they
can reasonably manage. That being said, if he goes out
and scores you know, back to back tons in that
Australia a game like again twin tons, you know, or
you know, a ton and a big score in both

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innings and Australia goes you know what, no better time
than the present. And we genuinely think that this guy's
got the technique to hold to stand up to international cricket,
you know, but it can't be it's got to be
really properly reasoned out. You know, lots of people sign
and boxes taking things, lots of work in the net.

Speaker 4 (01:06:35):
Like I just I don't think.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
There's enough of a sample size to say we look
at Shy Hope scored twin tons against England that a
Test and has been pedestrian like he's been bad at
Test cricket since like you know, I mean that was
in a Test match at that level and then has
ad you know there in England and Shield cricket, it

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is full of stories like that where players will go
and do big things and just it don't doesn't kick on,
it doesn't kick Like Marcus Harris is a fantastic example.
This is a guy that for the last several years
has been dominating first class cricket not only here but
in England and scoring just stupid amounts of runs and

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then gets to the next level and we know that
his shortcomings that he's got at the next level. So yeah,
I just hope it's I think it's a well run
group in there in terms of the way they deal
with players, maybe necessarily the actual nature of the game,
but the way they deal with their players as well
run I don't think that McDonald and Cummins and everyone

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related in that space is ready to just hand the
keys to a nineteen year old, But I do think
they're excited by the prospect of a good young batter
coming through. And I think so we're in a pretty
good space in that if this is a guy that's,
you know, maybe only a year away from being ready.
We are twenty year year old opener just about ready

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to go. Guys like McSweeney that's looking more and more
ready to play. Olly Davies is looking I'd like to
see him get another another strong year. A couple aren't, well,
not more than a couple, you know, several hundreds coming
this year. He looks like he's prime to do that.
He's batting it in five. That lynch pin position of
that of that side, you know, it's I'd love to

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see Hardy come through and get some games playing for
w A and make it a real big fist of
it there.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
So we have some options. We do have some options,
but it's the future we really know to be looking
at because we do have an aging test team.

Speaker 4 (01:08:39):
Cooper Connolly coming through as well.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
He's a that's looking like he could be he could
be something. I'm not sure what he can be yet,
but he.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
But you just look at him. This guy can he
holds a stick, he can bottle the ball. He's a really,
really gun fielder. There's a place somewhere for this kid
if he continues to develop along this line. Whether it's
as a a middle order batsman, I'm not sure, that's
pretty low for I'm they're using him sort of as
a pseudo all rounder. In some of the one day games.

(01:09:08):
He basically bats at eight, which is extraordinary to think
of that. You know, we've got this talented kid batman
at eight. But I mean that's Western Australian cricket at
the moment, isn't they just they just keep rolling off
the production line over there. Yeah, so look, it's going
to be a very very interesting summer. It's burned goods

(01:09:28):
and mediocre start I think to the Shield season just
for the nature of the wickets. But yeah, look, I
can see lots of lots of excitement coming forward in
the Shield this year.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
And as we said in the bit and in the
last episode, you know the doors open, go and score
some runs. I can't imagine that that Australia a game
is going to be the deciding the deciding factor. I'm
sure it's there are people in positions that they've obviously
got they've got a hierarchy. But as we as I
said earlier that that Curtis some Test debut, came out

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from absolutely no where, just timed his run really well,
managed to get a Test, but should have played more
Test cricket to be fair, he should have gone over
that toward England after. That's how the Strilankan series.

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
But don't you think that maybe he was an expedient
choice at the time and when there was other players
available that they probably thought, we're giving him his run.
We're not really, You're not really the horse we wanted back.

Speaker 4 (01:10:28):
But I mean that's what it is. You can make
a fist of it if you can time your run well.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
And cam Bancroft is obviously one that's in the hot
seat as the next guy up. But you know, he
just got a pair, so you know the doors opened.
You know, Marcus Harris scored a one forty and then
backed it up with another fifty, so he's in the
runs as well. So could he get back and maybe
get some redemption. I mean he debuted against India in

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a border Gavasca series as well, and you know, he
scored a couple of fifties in that he didn't look awful,
but obviously through some promising starts away, you know, could
he come back now as you know that mature age
I just found.

Speaker 3 (01:11:10):
I just think guy like Bober will feast on him again.
I really do. Nothing's changed about Marcus Harris. He's it's
like you said, he dominates at this level, but when
you go up to that next level, there's there's an
issue there because he's got he's got that technical issue
just outside off Stump and Bomber will just destroy him.
I really would be concerned that we picked Marcus Harris

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because you can see the downside in him, and we've
seen the downside in him.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
I don't think we can go that way again, alright,
So I think we'll just leave off before we go.
So well, we've been talking about this Australia ACE squad,
so I thought we'd both go through and just quickly
talk about that before we go. So obviously we've talked
about some movers and shakers in there and the openers.
But Nathan McSweeney, the guy that we're talking about is
being the next guy up in that middle order spot.

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He's capping the sides. That's big for him. Bancroft's in
their bolins in there. Jordan Buckingham from South Australia. I
think actually looks like he could be a player that
will push to play in all three formats. I don't
necessarily know if you'll get there, but I think he's
a guy that's good enough to be in the consideration.

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
Certainly got a very good record in the shorter formats
as well, and he's done very well for Tasmania, South Australia,
South Australia. I'm sure he's from Tasmania.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
Originally he might be from Tasbay. He's currently playing for
South Australia. Connelly's there, Ollie Davies. I think he's a
great choice in getting some recognition for a big series.
Marcus Harris, Sam Constance, Nathan McAndrew leading we could take
it for South Australia last year. Good to see him
getting there, you know, obviously had to leave New South
Wales to get it go and make the most of it.

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Nissa is there, Todd Murphy, Fergus O'Neil Jimmy Pearce and
Josh Philippy, Corey Rocketicelli, Mark Stackety and Bo Webster. Now
apparently they've got a really interesting thing here. So Todd
Murphy is playing the first game and Rocket Chilly is
playing the second game. And when they're not with the
Australia A side, they're actually going to be in the

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Australian One Day International setup, not as part of the squad,
but training with the national side at the time so
they can work with Dan Tory.

Speaker 4 (01:13:12):
So they're being really proactive there.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
And you know, Rockacchelli is cashed in on some strong
seasons in wa to really you know, everyone said who's
the next spinner after Nathan Lyon and it was immediately
it's got to be Todd Murphy right after that strong
that strong season in India, but hasn't been the happiest
of returns back to Shield Cricket. Todd Murphy hasn't really
stood out from the rest of the pack and Rocket
Chilly is really sort of pride his way in there

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to be.

Speaker 3 (01:13:37):
Yeah and do so well. To have your home ground
at the Whacker where it's not really a spinner's paradise,
wouldn't suggest he's done very well, done very well indeed.
And I was actually watching a bit of the Shewd
game the other day Queensland and West Australia, and he
looks threatening when he bowls that. It always looks like

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there's something doing, you know, like he might get a
bit of tap occasionally, but he looks like a wicket
taking you know who actually reminds me of a bit
you remember Jason Krazier. Yeah, he reminds me a little
bit of Jason Crazier. He can bowl that really really
big spinn and ball quite unpredictable.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
I think what he's going to want to do if
he's got he fashions himself as being someone who's going
to play a lot of Test cricket for Australia, is
he wants to be more Nathan Lyon than Jason Krazier.
Because I think absolutely what they want first and foremost
is a guy that they can rely on to bowl
the donkey overs, to rotate the quicks and you might

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be able to go and rip one square, but if
you'll go on at three four five and over, you
know good, which is what happened to Swepson. So I
don't think He's obviously not as fragile because he's played
a lot of cricket, you know, the last few.

Speaker 4 (01:14:55):
Years, and he hasn't looked like he's a guy that
really leaks runs.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
But that's that's something that he's going to want to Yeah,
first and foremost, Australia will take a guy that can
play a holding role and grow on it from there.
I don't think they want to teach a wicket taker
how not to leak runs. They'd rather teach a a
holding bowler and how to take wickets. And I think
Rocket Kelly is in a position to be able to
do that. I think he's got all the skills there,
same as Todd Murphy. He's in that role as well.

(01:15:20):
It'd be interesting to see obviously with Nathan Lyon will
be you know, arguably obviously fitness pending.

Speaker 4 (01:15:27):
He'll definitely go to Sri Lanka.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
It'll be interesting to see if they have what other
spinners they take. You wouldn't think you'd take both Murphy
and Rocket Celly to Sri Lanka, but considering they're all
off spinners, you'd think maybe like a Kuonerman and a
tan Va Sanger or possibly an Adam Zamper might be
in that extended squad for give them a bit of variety.
I can't see he's taking three off spinners and potentially

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a Glenn Maxwell.

Speaker 3 (01:15:53):
No, and you've got and you've got Head who's putting
his name up to get to Movers as well, and
Marnas and mar So there's there's.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
Options that you can't I think they'll take one of
the two of them, but I can't see them taking
Murphy and Rocketcilli. So some bigger things may not necessarily
you know, pan out for this summer, but obviously, you know,
it could be the doorway to get into you know,
obviously the next the next level at this Australia A game,
All these Australia A games could be based on how

(01:16:22):
well I perform here might get them a trip on
the plane on the next tour.

Speaker 4 (01:16:26):
So a lot us to play for in this and
that's what we love.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
We obviously we do love a settled Australian side that
goes out and wins everything, but we also do love
when there's a bit of intrigue and a bit of
suspense and a bit of unsettledments because we get to
speculate on all these.

Speaker 3 (01:16:40):
Well, what we like is to see competition for places. Yeah,
that's what we're really about, is the competition for places.
Because we've got competition for places, you have to you've
got a strong team, you've got a strong squad, you've
got a strong setup as a general rule, and that's
not really what we want as Australian cricket fans. That's
what we want to see and we don't want to
have these. It's very nerve racking when you lose warn

(01:17:01):
and mcgrah and Langer and Hayden, Andel Core and gil Christ, Rodney,
Rodney Marsh, Greg Chapel, Dennis Lilly all in the same
Test match. It's very very distressing for us oldies.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
All right, Well, that wraps up what's been a very
action packed episode. Lots to talk about.

Speaker 3 (01:17:23):
We love talking about cricket.

Speaker 5 (01:17:24):
We do.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
Next episode we'll have the Women's World Cup final. We'll
have a look at how the Sea the Pakistanis can
rally against England and any other pertinent cricket news that
comes across our way in that time.

Speaker 4 (01:17:37):
So if it's not we'll make it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
Yeah stop, all right, guys, thank you very much. Hope
you've enjoyed listening and until next time by for now Over.

Speaker 5 (01:17:55):
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