Episode 186 - A Kiwi Fairytail - Two Slips & A Gully

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
Cloud Chase SI. Hello everyone, and welcome back to Too
Slips and a Gully. I'm joined tonight by Aaron. How

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are you Aaron? In Morning and Morning?

Speaker 3 (00:56):
But yeah, I'm not too bad.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
I hate not too bad. Yeah, well normally I'm not
to you know, pat ourselves on the back or anything
like that. But normally when we go out there and
you risk a prediction or two, we're not too far
off the mark. We had a good run there where
we were really good, you know, but the WiM's World

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Cup decided to go and just take all of our
cricketing pilots and throw it.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
Sure did.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
What a what a fantastic result for the World Cup.
I mean, obviously we're disappointed as Australian fans because the
girls do but what a great thing to see that
not you know, the global powers in world cricket at
the moment for the women's game unequivocally Australia into in England.
They're the ones with the most the most you know,

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they've played the most crickets. They've all played multiple Test matches,
They've all played lots and lots of different cricket, especially
considering the fact that the ashes are around, so they've
all got fairly strong domestic tournaments. You know. Obviously with
the w IPL starting, the WBBL is obviously probably you

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say it's the benchmark. It's like it's the gold standard
in domestic T twenty competitions, and then one hundred is
you know, kicking off and is going from strength to
strength over in England as well. All three of them
missed the final, which is devastating for us as Australian fans,
but I think as a as a true cricket fan,

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you'd have to say he's probably the best possible outcome.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
It was actually just for all the women's game, it
was like really really hard pill to swallow. But when
you actually watched that game, the South Africans is ever
every second of it. Man, they were the better team
on the day. They outflowd us out boldest, they out
bad at this and we that that feeling need you
always have with the Australian women's team, that there's somebody

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who's going to do something you didn't have that in that.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
They're just there seemed to be a dent in that all.
So we're gonna we've got another fairly loaded podcast today
or obviously, as you can tell, we're gonna have a
bit of a chat about the wrap up of the
World Cup. We're also going to have to talk about
some pretty interesting test matches that took place between England
and Pakistan, India and New Zealand, and we'll finish off

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with some talk about how Round two of the Shield
has gone and what that means obviously for the moves
and shakers that are trying to chase down an elusive
baggy Green. So it's again another week that's been really
busy and god, that's what we like, don't we get
to this time of the year cricket season. So the

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twenty twenty four Women's Tea twenty World Cup has wrapped
up to a conclusion, and as we said in the
outset one that no one would have seen coming. I
think so. Earlier in the last episode we talked about
obviously England and India missing the semi finals, Australia was
still there taking on South Africa and New Zealand taking

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on the West Indies, and our prediction always it was
the almost bulletproof Australian team will probably make it through
against South Africa and then clean up in the finals.
Unfortunately for US Australian fans that did not take place.
South Africa were brutal in disposing of the Australians, bold
excellently to restrict them to one hundred and thirty four
and then chase that down in with eight wickets and

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sixteen balls remaining some absolutely phenomenal middle order batting from
a neck Bosh seventy four or forty eight, Laura Wolver
with a captain's knock at the top to really put
the Australians on the back foot with a forty two
off thirty seven and just they never looked like losing. Essentially,
once you're right at any point during the game, they

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just seem to have the Australian's number. They knocked over
Grace Harris for three. Beth Mooney was taken along basically
a runner ball forty four. Scoring wasn't easy in that game.
They just made it hard. They choked the Australians, you know,
Elise Perry, you know, one thirty one off twenty three
and Phoebe Lichfield sixteen off nine. You know, they thought

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of had a bit of a day out at the end,
you know, in terms of their strike rate to get
us to sort of somewhere where it might be a
defendable total. But you know, and you would have probably
said that the Australian bowlers one hundred and thirty five
on the board, you would have walked off going it's
not enough, but they've got a bowling attack. But they
just came out and just laced into them. You know,

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when was the last time you've seen Megan shoot go
it over seven and over and things like that. Georgia
ware and they took to her eleven and over off
her Ash Gardner, you know, went it over eight and
over in a game that was fairly low scoring. Ends. Yeah,
South Africa, who got themselves the back to back finals.
On the other side of the ledger, New Zealand and
West Indies played out an absolutely.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
Cracker, Wasn't it absolute cracker of a game that one.
I mean, if you didn't realize that these two teams
playing in that semi final were well underdog in this tournament,
you would have thought they were among the favorites. It
was a brilliant game of cricket to watch.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Just twoed and froed and kept going. Unfortunately, we both
tipped the West Indies and they weren't quite good enough
to get it done. Some fantastic you know, Susie Bates
and Georgia Plimo were up the top set off. It
was a very low scoring game, but they got them
off to a pretty decent platform. DeAndre Dotton did her
best for four wickets of twenty two. We knew that

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she was going to be a factor. She's just such
a brilliant player and on the other side of things,
just a real good communal bowling effort. Didn't really let
the game get away from the Amelia cur I mean,
what a superstar she is. Didn't really get off the
mark with a bat, but you know, two for fourteen
off her four overs really went such a long way
to I pose this question to and picked up the

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wicket of Dotton as well, who was How.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
Where do we rate merely Kerr in the panphon of
the great or rounders for the women in the women's game,
Because I mean.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
She's good enough. We've got a serious even as good
as Australia is. We've got to be thinking about Russell
crowing and Russell crowing her. Sure we'll take her. She's
a fantastic player, you know, true, like she's truly a
World Cup class player. There's no two ways around it.
And I think that.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
She's a game breaker. The thing about her as well,
isn't that she's a great play She she's there in
the big moments for New Zealand all the time.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
There's a real you know, maybe maybe a bit of
Chris Cans about her, the guy that's definitely would play
for most countries in the world, doesn't matter any World
eleven Like, you know, Australia could have used the Chris Cans,
England could have used the Christians, the West Indi that
sort of time period, all could have used a Chris Cans.

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But he sort of maybe he didn't quite get the
same plaudits that he would necessarily deserve because New Zealand
were always sort of flew under that radar. I think
there's a lot of that sort of vibe about Amelia
cur that you genuinely is a special player. And hopefully
this tournament will really sort of show and highlight just
not only how good Amelia curR is, but how good

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the New Zealand cricket team is, because she backed that
up with a fantastic game.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
And that was an amazing game she had in the final.
I mean, and what I love about what I love
about her too is she's belligerent as hell. She doesn't
take a backward step from anybody and wants she wants
to be there in those big moments, particularly the ball.
It's like, give me the ball, give me the ball.
I want to do this.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Forty three batting at three, setting up a one p
fifty eight total and then again just mildly four overs
three for twenty four really just sort of broke the back.
She got Wolvard out, she got Bosh, who was the
big destroyer from the semi final against Australia out, and
then obviously wickets late to tie the eatings up. Just

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phenomenal again, other really great game that one. So it
was one fifty eight for five versus one twenty six
for nine and you just again New Zealand got in
you know, one fifty eight on those sort of wickets
has been one that's been really good. So just a
really great team performance and just strangled much the way

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that South African to Australia sort of strangled the life
out of the game and really controlled it from the outset.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
Yeah, controlling it up at the top is where you
control the games from the innings and I thought New
Zerlin in that in that semi final and in the final,
we're just supreme. Basically, they're just too good where you like.
It hurts like hell it's an Australian fan, but I
think we've been very, very spoilt with this amazing cricket

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team we've had for so long.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
No, no Australian should really feel too. The only Australians
that should really feel let down other players because obviously
they'll be disappointed not to come home with the trophy.
But you know, the Australian women's cricket team has been
other worldly in terms of their what they've achieved over
a really long period.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
Great sporting teams in the world is basically the easiest
way to somebody.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Absolutely, we're talking US men's basketball team, US women's basketball team,
New Zealand all Blacks level. This is where West Indies
are the seventies and eighties. There These are you know
Ponting's ODI team of the mid thousands, that's the sort
of echelon Chicago Bulls in the nineties, Manchester United under

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Sir Alex ferguson these this level, you know, and while yes,
disappointed for our for our players that they couldn't come
home with a trophy, but I think genuine cricket fans
in Australia need to be looking at this as a
as a line in the sand moment and go ye, sucks,
we didn't get a win, But how great for the
sport that it wasn't US, it wasn't India, it wasn't England.

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The three usual suspects of the of the women's game
was you know, South Africa beat the goliath team and
on the other side of things you had the West
Indies and New Zealand, you know, the smaller battlers coming through.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
And you have to remember too, New Zealand put India
out for all intents and purposes when they beat him
in that first game. So they've had an amazing run
through the tournament. I mean when you go through a
knockout tournament basically, because I mean the way that the
format is, you can't really afford to lose. You can

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maybe afford to lose.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
One game, depending on your group, depending on one game,
it depends on who you lose to. So in our
group you could probably have afforded to Every team could
have afforded to lose to Australia because obviously they were
expected to go through, so you know India and New Zealand.
All that could have been like we can afford to
drop the Australian game, but we lose another game that
we're out, which is exactly what happened. Is India got

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beaten by us and then you've beaten you by New
Zealand and that was enough that as soon as so
they must have been like that would have absolutely sucked
for the Indian cricket team, knowing that when they dropped
that first game, going where we now have to beat
Australia in a World Cup to just progress. Which is
bigger for that team is you know, taking down that

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Australian team is a big gas but it's just fantastic
to see that those nations have managed to get through,
that there's been a passing of the torch or a
shifting of the power or a new world like it's
no longer just you know, the gap is closing between.
You know, for so long we've said Australia's here and
then there's daylight. Then there's India and there's daylight, then
there's England and there's a rest daylight. Anymore, the daylight

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is closing and it's now becoming a much more heavily
contested tornament. I think, you know, you're looking at that Australia, India, England,
South Africa, and then you know there's then a bit
of a gap between, you know, those people have come
next New Zealand and West Indies, et cetera. And then
probably you know, teams like Carolina, She's probably a bit

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of a gap there. But there's nowhere here is pronounced
to say, you know, ten years ago, twelve years ago,
where it's just like okay, so who are Australia and
England playing to get into the final. But absolutely fantastic
disappointed for for a Lissa Heally that she couldn't obviously

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be on the field to make a difference. That would
be just devastating for Heels. You can just think this
is the end. Oh, I wouldn't think it's the end.
I think she's got more to give the Australian side.
I think there's less days front than there are.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
But I'm thinking more from the mental point of view,
from from her personal point of view. Did she say, well,
you know, I've had a wonderful run, but amazing trophy,
can't they?

Speaker 2 (13:47):
I think I think I think she will. She want
to crack at redemped You know, I don't think she's
going to walk out. She's not going to limp out
of her Australian cricket career in a moonboot. She is
going to come back and like because they World Cups
fairly regularly as well, it's not a huge turnaround between them.
I would be absolutely staggered from what I've seen from
Alisa Heally, the way that she conducts herself, the way

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that she plays a game, the way she holds herself,
the battler that she is, that she would limp off
a cricket field to finish her career, I just can't say.
I think she's going to get herself fit and firing
and she's going to come back bigger and better than
ever to try and lead that team to a World
Cup victory in the next week.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
Look, you just look at but as the elite players
in this team. Yet you know you're a Lissa Hurley's
your Elise Perry, Beth Mooney. How much more do they
think they need to do?

Speaker 2 (14:41):
I don't think. I think if if Alyssa Heally came
out tomorrow and said I'm done, she's a legend of
the game, absolute legend of the game. No, she's got
a legacy that very few players could even dream of touching.
But I just don't think that. You know, she's feisty,
it's Alisa Healley for She's not gonna She's just she
just won't. She won't have her final act as an

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Australian cricket be to be wandering around the United Remembrance
in a moonboot, unable to impact the game as her
team bows out in the semi final. That's just that
just won't beat her. She will come back if she
gets beaten fair and square on the field, you know,
and wasn't good enough on the day possibly, but you know,

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sitting on the sidelines in a moon boot, unable to
help her team one way or the other. That's not
how Elisa Heey is going to go out. She would
be I would be putting money on the fact that
Heally will come back and have a crack at the
next World Cup.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
And you're not a betting man, And I'm not.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Really a betting man. Am I to have the odd
trundle or two? But no, yeah, I just I can't
see it. It's it's at Leasta Heey. She's one of
the just one of the toughest, most ferocious players. I
think I've ever seen that. That's She's not going to
go out like that. She'll be back. She won't want
to go down as not leading her team to a
World Cup. She'll be back. Well, we'll see plenty more

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of Elisa Heally. I am sure.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
M well, well, I don't know. Maybe it's because I'm
a little bit on the older side, and I you know,
I have the memories in the back of my head
and you go, well, you know, at some stage it
all has to come to an end, mate.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
No, I'm sure it does. And you know, maybe if
she'd won that World Cup. She could be having those
thoughts about, you know, young players coming through. Have I
done enough? Maybe it's time for me to go, and
you know, do other things like they like to get
her into the commentary box and things like that when
she's not playing. But I think the fact that her
World Cup ended because she was injured, there's no chance,

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no chance at least that Heally's going out like that.
She's a fighter. She'll come back. We will see her
again in the bagg of green, in the Gold Caps,
playing for a country again. You hand on heartwood guarantee
that we will see Alessa Healley contesting for ant of
the World Cup somewhere down the line. But at the
fifty over or a twenty over World Cup. She'll be back.

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We'll see heels run on the show again.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
Fair enough. God Well, it was a wonderful, wonderful weekend
of being a wee cricket fan. This one, wasn't it?
An amazing victory in the T twenty World Cup full
of women, and probably an even more amazing Test victory
for the men over in Bengaluru in India. Absolutely absolutely

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staggering sort of Test match. And I've watched a fair
bit of it, I must admit, and it was one
of those just bizarre games. I mean both apparently both
captains when they went out to toss were prepared to bat.
But what happened after Yeah, it was Coward Shaw on

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the toss and decided the but was absolutely insane.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
Good toss to lose that one reckon all out for
forty six in thirty one overs. There was one, two, three, four,
five ducks.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
Oh yeah in that on a top score of twenty
by rishab Parnt and not very much else apart from that.
It was. It was crazy. I mean I couldn't believe it.
I turned it on to start watching and the first
tennings was already over. It's just nuts And then you
looked at the scorecard and gone, wow, must what happened?

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He did like a typhoon come in and.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
We basically the first day was completely washed out. So
it was a four day Test that they went through
to win that one. And New Zealand was just phenomenal,
you know. Matt Henry and William O'Rourke were the chief destroyers.
Five wickets for Henry, four for a raw Tim Southey

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was milesly six overs one for eight and then they
went out and just blitzed them. I mean the Devin
Conway scored ninety one almost to run a ball, and
just they came out and basically had the lead in
the blink of an eye. One I think was really
really quite amazing. So at one point, uh New Zealand

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was seven for two hundred and thirty three, still you know, massive,
massive lead. But it ended up closing the innings all
out for four hundred and two. So a big, huge
partnership between Ratching Revendra and Tim Safe to really like
just put the boot into the Indians and really put.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
Behind He really played well raction Revendra.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
He water and that's an eight strike rate of eighty
five on a wicket that was still doing quite a
bit because there was quite the.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
Ball was turning. Don't worry about that was there was
a fair bit there and interesting enough, like all all
the innings is with the new ball, there was something
there in So don't ever tell us India that this
is how your wickets are.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
It was going to be my point I was going
to but I don't want to hear any more more
of this crack, any more complaints about the ball spinning
square from day on one. They're like, well, that's just
how it is. Absolute rubbish, rubbish, rubbish. You can make
a wicket that can do a bit for quick bowlers. Absolutely,
it doesn't have to do what it did in this game.

(20:11):
But and no more. It is absolute bullshit, subcontinent garbage
and fetus about the fact that conditions won't allow for
quick bowling and you have absolute garbage. This game proves,
it proves that you are all taking the piss over
there and you are doing it deliberately, and it's done.
That's it. Your conversation's over.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
Just a bit of a segue about taking the piss.
Have you seen what they're doing on the Pakistan We'll
get to that one.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
But but yeah, you can make Yeah, it doesn't have
to be seeing we don't want more of the same
in Australia, South Africa, England that we get. But you
can absolutely do a wicket that maybe does a bit
with the new rock before it all drives off and
then turns side.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
And why you wouldn't when you've got probably one of
the two elite fast bowlers in the world.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Well you're talking about you're talking is a.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
Lot champion of a bowler.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
It's basically Boomerel Cummins. That's the argument that you're going
to maybe Robarta in that who's the best fast baller
in the world today, it's Burmer Comings or Robarta.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
And that's the trues to day.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
You pick a day and a different answer and the
fact that so yeah, that's it done. Put to bed.
No more every and no more internet arguments from all
of the many many Indian fans. This game has proven
the fact that you are doing it deliberately because you.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
Know that's what you experience.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
So there's no more reason that you can't have a
game that at least for the first maybe session and
a bit quick bowlers don't have to go and break
their backs to get it up to shin height and
then it can spin from there. You can do it.
We know you can do it. We've seen it absolutely.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
And what will say about this Bengaluru wicket as one
of the better Test wickets I've ever seen in India?
It really was. It was something there for the quicks.
There was good bounce, that was consistent pace even though
it wasn't on the far side. It was a consistent,
good balanced Test wicket. And why don't you do this
all the.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Time because they could lose. Wait to see what happened
in tests too. I reckon you won't get anything from
Matt Henry and Tim Southe in the second test.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
I'm guarantee it.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
But also proved as well if you're willing to show
some application. There were runs to be scored. So you know,
we saw that Ratchin scored that fantastic one hundred. You know,
Devin Conway had that ninety tims South, he had some
scores in the second innings. There was four hundred and
sixty two was the reply from India, and you had
Sarfras with a good score, Richard punt a ninety nine

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Verrak Kohli made a seventy Rowitt Sharma got in made
of fifty. Like there runs to be scored if you
could get out there and score them. And even in
that one Matt Henry took three wickets, O'Rourke took three
wickets South he took another wicket, So there was stuff
there for the quicks.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
Absolutely, And the thing that what I really liked about
this this game in particular, is that the new ball
had effects the quick bowlers. You know, the quick bowlers.
Could you know, sure the spinners will bowl the bulk
of the overs in the first eighty evers, but when
the new rock was due, the new rock had an

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effect ten.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Or twelve overs. Yeah, you spell from your new ball bowlers. Yeah,
and you got cool right now. It's India. We put
the spinners on and test you. But there was reward
yeah for picking good fast bowlers.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
And actually India probably got it more got it wrong
in their team selection than what New Zealand did because
went in with the three genuine quicks and the spinner
and using Revengdra or whoever to be the second spinner.
The Indians went in with free spinners. They went in
with cool Deep as well as Jadasia and Ashwyn and

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didn't pay off. It didn't pay off for him unfortunately.
Cool Deep I thought was probably the best of their
spinners throughout the whole game. He's he's another one of
those guys. If you had him available to play pretty
much anywhere else in the world, you probably give him
a game. He's a wonderful leg spinner man. And what
I like about him is he's got a worn luck

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control about him as well. He's not all over the shop.
He doesn't bowl a lot of long hops, doesn't bowl.
He creates a lot of pressure and that wrongin of
his is very hard to pick. Man Like even in
slave motion you can see.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
I suppose from the Indian side of things, they're going
to go into most of their Test matches with Ashwin Andasia,
or if they're not going to or one or the other,
if they don't think that two spinners is necessary. And
I suppose, you know, Ashwin is one of the best
spinners and he's ever produced. Todaysia is in my opinion,
one of the greatest talented players in he's ever produced,
and it's not often that you're going to take him,

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you know, three spinners into a game in most other
parts of the world.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
Yeah, of course, it's just a bit of a tragedy
for cool Deep because he and a look at his
Test record, it's not like sixty week it's a twenty
one or something.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
That's just I think will be a little bit inflated
because obviously that side of things, he is predominantly playing
on spinner's paradise, so he doesn't have to go and
toil on you know, English wickets or Australian wickets where
there's not really a great deal of turn. But the
same thing is you know that in the in the
right conditions, he is elite.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
I would actually be thinking that he needs to come
to Australia. Man, I really think you bring him to Australia.
That is a very potent all round attack that India
would be bringing.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
I think they'll bring him. I don't think he'll get
I don't think he'll get a game over.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
He probably could. Look, I could see it would take.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
An injury, I think, or at least maybe Ashwan getting
absolutely pumped and they think they need to go and
do something a bit different.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
But I could see him playing in Adelaide. I could
see him playing in Sydney as well.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Yeah, yeah, maybe Sydney. I think Sydney is overrated in
terms of what turn Sydney is. Sydney is.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
Sydney used doesn't.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Turn, it's just slow, so it's no point in slugging
it out with excess fast bowlers him as well bringing
another slow bowler into it. I mean Nathan lyon Is
plays for the New South Wales cricket team. I think
he averages forty at Sydney disposably this spinner's paradise. But
I think it's just it's just slow, it's old, tired

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wicket that just doesn't have a great Then it's that
well we're not gonna just get bang it in one
one as well, just chuck the ball or the spinner
and see what happens. But I feel like we shouldn't
breeze over too much. What India achieved in that second innings.
I mean, saf as that innings was fantastic for him,
what a great.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
He's an unusual player, isn't He's very Some of the
shots that he plays, he's i mean very obviously influenced
by two twenty and stuff like that, but clearly that's
his style. That's what he does, some of those back
foot cut shots. He has got a phenomenal domestic record
as well, is average about sixty, doesn't he.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
He's got one hundred and three fifties in seven innings
so far for India. So hopefully this, you know, might
be able to you know out maybe someone like a
kl Roll Hall, because you think that Shulman Gill's got
to come back in inside and Rob Hall hasn't really
hasn't do them for a while.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
And he's one of my favorite players to watch kl
right when he's going, he's just a dream to watch.
But he hasn't taken his opportunities man. I mean he's
test average now is around about thirty and in that
Indian batting lineup, that's not going to cut it. Man.
You need to be you need to be making consistent
runs and he's just not doing it.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
Yeah, so it's come down to thirty three, just show
of thirty four. Yeah, and he's been one of the
more reliable overseas players, especially in English conditions, but he's
nearly thirty three now you'd say, you know, you'd argue
his best criket's probably behind him, and you know that's
the risk you have when you have a lulla form

(27:42):
in that age and you've got someone that's bright and
young and excitable coming in.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
Well, it's interesting to think of about who they're going
to bring as their reserve openers. I mean, you imagine
it Gil will come out as a reserve batsman, but
they're talking about a reserve opener.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Andy gill Hauld. Surely he'd go back back but three
in that side, mal Sha McGill Kohley. So one of
Rahul or Khnt will come out. You'd imagine so that
for that line up.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
Well, I'd have to at this stage it'd have to
be Rahah, wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
They might consider obviously Rahul's it'd be that international experience
and that tenure in the side. But you would imagine
that India's best eleven would have Gil in it in
some capacity.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
Unless and look, it really depends too. I've got a
feeling that young Jaswell is going to struggle out here
in Australia with the extra bounce. Whether they haven't make
a change at the top of the auto midway through
a series or whatever, I'm not sure. I just get
the feeling that the Australian bowlers are really going to

(28:45):
go after him right.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
On, that they're just upline. They're going to have to
because if we gets going, it's a way that's a problem.
He's going to be a huge danger playing here. So
just also, you know, I suppose you can't really ever
count New Zealand out. I mean, India look like they
may have been batting well enough to salvage something out

(29:08):
of the gave, because at one point they were three
for four hundred and eight looking like, Okay, they're going
to six hundred, they're going to bat long and it'll
end up petering out to being a draw, or they'll
have a miraculous collapse in the end and they might
actually steal this after winning. You being dismissed from forty six.
But they went from three for four hundred and eight
to all out for a four hundred and sixty two.

(29:30):
Just a fantastic effort. And again that new ball was.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
Yeah, something in a little bit there in the wicket
and definitely something in the air. But the new ball
had an effect and it's what it should do. Man,
I hate it when you're watching these subcommental tests. They
going to take the new ball in over ninety six
and they give it to the spinner.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
That's because it's got a seam and they can give
it maybe a bit of extra bounce. That shouldn't be
the like. And yeah, we don't want it to be
cookie cutter. We don't want it to be all the same.
But as we've stayed it many times when this conversation
has come up in a Test match, you're supposed to
provide conditions that all three disciplines can excel. The conditions

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that will allow the fast bowlers to have something, even
if it is consistent bounce, consistent pace, carry something they
can do something that if they're going to toil with
the new ball, they're going to get rewarded. That should
be a pitch that if you are good enough and
apply yourself well enough, you will make runs and it
should be able to break up enough in the aftermath

(30:37):
all the end towards the end of the game that
the spinners then come into their own. Now, obviously in
England you'll be expecting the fast bowlers to be more
dangerous in those conditions. In Australia you would expect the
same thing with the bounce that England you're gonna have
the sideways movement. Australia you're going to have the bounce.
But in sub common conditions you would be expecting that
rather than it being days four and five that the

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spinner's coming into their own, would be expecting the spinners
to come into you know, being significantly impacting the game,
probably as early as as as day two, and that's
the challenge. You're going to have spin operating more often
with much more effect in other places. But as you said,
conditions should still be allowed that if you've got a
new rock fast bowlers should be able to do something

(31:20):
with it. And we can see now that you know,
if conditions go the right way, that can absolutely happen.
So there's there's really no excuse now for rocking up
and you're given raby Asha and the brand new ball
and it spits and spins the second slip you know,
to the left hander of the third ball of the day,

(31:42):
because well you just take gigs.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
Yeah, I just have that very nasty little furly in
the back of my back of my mind. That's exactly
what we're going to get in the Second Test.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Well, they've got they've got track record for it. You know,
India unapologetically will do that every time they get a
bloody nose early in a series. You can be sure
that the following Test, Matt, the following conditions will be
either completely benign or borderline unplayable, and just fact that
their batsmen will do better against the inferior spinners. And

(32:16):
so it would be very interested to see how the
Second Test goes to New Zealand. I can't imagine that
you will get a great deal of execution out of o'verrour,
out of South out of Henry in terms of moving
the ball laterally, it's going to take an effort for them.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
I think it'll be very interesting to see what team
they name actually the kiwis, because they clearly they want
to play o' rour. I mean, i'd want to play
him as well. Was he about He's about two hundred
and seventy seven centimeters or something.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
Two hundred and seven.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
It drops the ball from like up above the cloud,
So you definitely want to use him on that sort
of wicked because even the book the best out this variable,
he really would be a hand for ye.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
And I suppose, you know, depending on what you know,
there's not too many like elite New Zealand spinners out there,
so it might even be just the case that you know, yeah,
there's a bit of spinning conditions that will back our
fast Bowl.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
Is the time you're definitely going to play Patel. You
definitely play him. He's their best spinner. They played Gwen
Phillips in the last game. I think they just want
to play him for what he brings to the team.
It's not so much that he's an elite of anything,
but one of the best.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah, But I think they've got depending on the conditions,
I mean what, I'm not sure to check, but I
would imagine what Santa would be the other main spinner
they've gotten. To be honest, i'd just give into them.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Yeah yeah, Sat. That brings nothing for me as a
Test spinner. I know he's got a very good limited
over his record, but as a spinner, I mean, look
what Australia did to him. Every time he comes over
he to play long form cricket. It just gets massacred.
It brings nothing because he's very.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Flat, handy ish with the bat.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
Yeah yeah, yeah, but I mean I'm sure they've got
a lot of players around your handy ish with the bat. Yeah,
I would be. I think it'd be a backward step
from the pick Santner. I don't really see it, but again,
they don't really have a lot of options. I suppose,
you know, you go the two part timers in Phillips
and Ravendra. Yeah, it'd be interesting to see if they

(34:23):
did decide to make a choice. But which of the
same bowlers they would actually drop, because I don't think
you would drop Matt Henry and you certainly not going
to drop a rock, So that would leave Tim Southie
almost the only.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Other spinner, so they the only other spinner they've got
is is Sody?

Speaker 3 (34:39):
Is he in the squad?

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Is He's in the squad And Mitchell Santner is also
in the squad.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
I was going to play one of those who will
be playing Sody.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Oh and sorry, Mark Chapman is an all round of
the balls left orthodox as well, so but yeah, I
can't see ebol like Sody's a leg break bawl. I
just I don't see and bringing in maybe you maybe
play Sody over, But like Henry's been probably their pick
of their bowls, you know, Rourk is such an exciting prospect.

(35:09):
I can't see they're making too many changes to that,
especially when you've got some overs you can throw to
Glenn Phillips. And I suppose, you know, depending on what
they see in front of them, maybe that yeah O'Rourke
maybe might miss out, and I'll go with.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
I couldn't let o Rourk miss out. And I think
he's like the lynchpin of their attack now for probably
the next four or five years. And they get that
of it. That Jamison back, I mean, that is a
pretty handy bowling attack. That they're going to have considered
they've lost bowl, they're going to lose Southie shortly. I mean,
you can't come on forever.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
You want to be.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
They want to be bringing these guys through. So is
it possible that they would actually bite the bullet and
tell Tim to have a seat for the game.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Now he's the captain. I wouldn't imagine.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
So Tom Lathm's a.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Captain, isn't I thought South he was?

Speaker 3 (35:55):
Tom Latham's a captain.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Well, there you go, South he stepped in. When did that.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
Happen a few weeks ago? Didn't we cover it on
the podcast?

Speaker 2 (36:05):
I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
Oh, shame on us. Get on, get on the net
folks and give us a good rollicking for that. That's
not you know the legend the legends stepped down as
as his nation's captain and we went.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
On to it. They must have been between games.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
Yeah, anyway, our apologies for our tardiness.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Well well Tim, it was a short but exciting stint
as the country's captain, and congratulations to Tom and well
done India's captain. You want to go?

Speaker 3 (36:36):
I'm smelling somebody wants to go and play some twenty
cricket for the Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
But I thought at the time, I thought they've probably
given out of the captaincies. They don't lose Bolt and
South in the safety be the captain. You'll stay right
and he's god, yeah, alright. Straight after this, we'll have
a look at take two of the Tests between England
and Pakistan. And I say take two, but not the
second Test because they just used the exact same wickets.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
So we ever heard of anything like that in our life.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Beautifully, the clown show that has been the England tour
of Pakistan continues Take two, not the second Test. Take two.
They didn't like how the first Test went, so let's
just start over and we'll use the same conditions and
start again. Which is the first time that I have
ever ever seen that a wicket that was so untouched,

(37:39):
unblemished by the first five days that were spent on it,
and the fifteen hundred odd runs that were scored on.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
It, and hundreds and hundreds of others that were bold
on it.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
It was just like, it's pretty good, let's go again.
As it was, it produced an absolutely brilliant Test. That's
where the Boulders probably had the run of things. But
early in the game there was times to score some runs.
Ben Duckett scored a brilliant hundred for opening the batting

(38:12):
for England.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
Cameron Goolam, the replacement for.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Barbara, has scored one hundred in that one.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
And it was a fine innings too. He played really
really well. You could see they brought a guy in
who's played a lot of first class cricket, who knows
his game, knew he knew the conditions really really well
and played accordingly. His innings was the highest quality it
really was. And having said that, so was Ben Duckett's.

(38:41):
He's he's really turned into a very very dangerous player,
isn't he.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Yeah, he's the sort of one, especially like he didn't
really achieve a great deal in the in the second ending,
think of the ball was really starting to go. But
if the conditions are in any way placid, you know
Ducket's going after it. And if if you don't get
him early when conditions aren't really against the batsman Zoe
to speak, he's a player that can really help you

(39:06):
cash in you would probably like to see. And it's
going to come with more experience and more exposure to
these conditions. Him having another gear that allows him to
grind it out when things aren't so great, because he really,
you really don't want him to be that one dimensional.
You know, when the going is good, I'll get you
a big score in rapid time. But you know, the

(39:28):
ball does anything, you might as well just bat me
at eleven, you know. So he's got to make those
changes to his game. But yeah, if you give him
an inch, he will take them. While he's becoming a
very dangerous hitter. I was actually one thing I wanted
to chuck him before we go into too much in
the detail. Is Matthew Pott's a player that we're both
very you know, fond of. We're very impressed by the

(39:50):
way that he plays. He came over for this game
and I actually thought he would really well the first
innings near enough to thirty overs two for sixty six.
Not a real great deal going on for for the
fast bowls, but I thought, you know, attacked the bat,
bowled that heavy ball. We say that he has always
got took up another wicket in the in the in

(40:15):
the thirty innings to set it up to you bowl well. Obviously,
the ball had started to turn at that point, so
they opened the bowling with Bashir and Leech Woul bowl
the Lion's share of the overs that the root was
the first change, so they bowled quite a lot of
spin before they even considered going to a fast bowler.
But yeah, he got himself involved. I you know, I

(40:37):
think that he would be he should be someone going
everywhere in the world for England. I think he's He's
a feisty enough bowler, maybe not necessarily quick, but just
bowls it in that way that just brushes the back.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
Yeah, he's almost like a POMMEI version of Scottie Bowlin,
isn't he He's bowls you know, he's not He isn't
touching one hundred and thirty five hundred and thirty six,
but it feels quicker and it hits the back very
very hard. And what I like about him he's got
good control. Yeah, he's got really good control. So he's
much more of those.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
And I just think he's just got that like to
steal on Americanism. He's got that dog in him. Yeah,
he's up to the fight. He you know, he's he's
got that ability to take a bit of punishment and
bounce back and get himself involved in the game. And
making positive things. I really like watching Matthew Potts player.
I think he's a He's a fine player and someone who,

(41:27):
regardless of condition, should be in serious consideration in there.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
He's definitely he's one of those guys. They've got themselves
a nice little group of those type of bubbles now
having a a bride and cars. You've got Gus Adkinson,
You've got Matthew Potts. Wokes is still I guess around
in the picture for them in some stage. I think
he played the first Test, wasn't was his usual in

(41:52):
effective self.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
I'm not going to hold that against Chris Wolfet was graceful.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
It was a disgraceful, but that's another Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Yeah, it's a bit disappointing that you need to have
an eight day with like a day eight wicket before
you start getting things happen in any sort of meaningful way.
It's an interesting trivia about this. It's been the first
Test since nineteen seventy two where two bowlers have taken
all twenty wickets for their team, which is obviously quite

(42:22):
an achievement. The two Pakistani spinners were the ones involved,
so Sarjid Khan had figures of seven for one hundred
and eleven and two for ninety three, so nine for
the game and no man Ali three for one hundred
and one and then eight for forty six. It was
just rout England in that fourth innings chase there and
not over for one hundred and forty four in thirty

(42:43):
three overs, which, to be honest, like, I wasn't.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
A thirty three over wicket. I don't think it was.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
I don't think it was that bad a wicket. And
that's the you know, this is the other side of
bas ball, is that when you allow your players to
play con sequence free cricket when the going is good
and the going stops being good, you know, Joe Root
can't be the only one that has the ability to
dig in and play those conditions like Crawley and Ducket

(43:14):
the openers faced team between them in a fourth innings
run chase, and like it would not have been the
easiest conditions. But you can't tell me that it was
that bad, like that bad a wicket that you were
going to be knocked over eat.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
But look how they're a are too caught behind and
stumped off spinners.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Stumped court, Yeah, caught behind court and bold LBW what.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
What about Stokes is magnificent effort. That has got to
be one of the most humiliating things I think I've
ever seen on a cricket. Oh, no, you come down
the wicket, You've gone I'm done, because you can see
he's come down and he's got halfway down, he got
I'm done here and he just tried to throw the
kitchen sin get it.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
And the replay and I can't imagine anyone hasn't seen
the replaying Today's day and age. But it was It's brilliant,
just cinematic cricket, just fantastic to watch it. It was
the only thing that really annoys me about Ben Stokes,
especially if he gets out to spin, is he just
looks at the pitch like he is offended, like he's

(44:21):
been betrayed.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
Exactly, how dare you do that to me?

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Like the ball has done something just astronomical and unbelievable
to get him out. It was a ball that he
didn't get to the pitch to that spanned back towards
him and through the through the gate between the bat
and pad. As he lifted his head to try and
hit it tow corner, there was nothing vistical about the ball.
It was a genuine league spin delivery that and.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
It was a really really neat weep because really good
he wouldn't have seen that.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
He would have seen that until the most of that delivery.
I reckon as soon as Stokes left the wicket, he
would have been unser And that wouldn't have been until
I got between his hipping his pats or hipping his
bat that he would already spot that again.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
And he was right there waiting for him. And it
was beautiful price of wicked keeper. I mean, that's something
that we quite often overlook when with these subcontinental keepers
is how good they actually are.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Man.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
I mean even the Indian keeper who come on the
subjurell how good a wicket keeper is he? He can't
get into the Indian zone because of Richard part. He's
just a brilliant wicket keeper. Man. That's great wicket keepers.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
But you just look at it and it happens. It's
just every time he faces spin, he always stops and
looks down at the pitch and looks back and he's
just in his sense of utter disbelief, how did the
ball do that? And he just watched the replane you're like,
it's a pretty straightforward deliverym you have made that look
better than what it.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
Was, absolutely and like your footwork was appalling, your balance
was all wrong, your head's gone the wrong way, the
butt went one way, your head went the other, and
the ball went between the tur f and man, that's
what happened.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
And I saw an interesting thing on one of the
cricket pages that follow on Facebook, and it was Ben
Stokes's average in Asia or someone who's renowned for being
a very good player of spin, especially if you're playing
your bowling spin in England, he has an atrocious, absolutely atrocious.

(46:19):
I think it's twenty four against spin or twenty four
in Asia averages not just against spin, but twenty averages
twenty four in Asia, which I think is on the
face of it, considering his stature in the game, I
think he's very surprising. But then when you actually deep
dive and look at Ben Stokes and you realize that
he is a batsman that averages in the mid thirties.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
And there's a reason why he averages in the middle, is.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Not that much surprising, Like he is not an elite batsman,
he's an elite cricketer. And he's and to steal again
that he's got that door in him, like he will
come up and he will win you games if he's
in the right and you know, the stars align. He
is one of the most unbowlable two batsmen in the world.

(47:06):
But for every one hundred and fifty odd that he
scored it headingly to win the game with only one
week in hand, there's an awful lot of scores that
he doesn't get right to get that average hovering around
in that mid thirties. So absolutely and starting to get
towards the end of his career now. So I really
don't think we're going to see a massive uptick. He's
just going to be one of those guys and on

(47:27):
his day is as good as anyone. But that day
is getting further and further between.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
And sure is I mean, I actually think that the
climb in Ben Stoked so the last eight months has
been very noticeable. I don't think he's anywhere near the
batsman he was two years.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
I don't think his body's holding up. I think he is.
He's patched together with you know, children's wishes and sticky
tape and sticky tape. Absolute warrior for his country and
will bowl himself into the ground if he needs to.
And but yeah, I just think that he's had just
a sort of just niggling injury after niggling injury after

(48:03):
big injury after niggling injury. I think it's all starting
to catch up to him. He's just you know, the
body's starting to let him down. And you can just
sort of sell that that's.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
Well, he rolled his arm over in the last game.
And it's not the bend stakes that you remember. I mean,
whenever Ben's Stakes would take the ball, there was always
something that would happen. You know, he might come on
and get a bit of a touch up, but he
also might come on and really stirrings up, get the
ball moving.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Even if he's coming in getting a touch up, he'll
you know, it'll be like especially in the ashes over
in Australia, you might get over and get pumbable. You know,
he'll get the kooka bar that hasn't moved off the
strait and he'll an hour and a half and he'll
be swinging it or he'll be you know, it hasn't
got anywhere above the batsman's waist and he'll be making
him at least sort of maybe duck and weave or
play our proper hook and pool shot. Like he's a
guy that can make things happen. And you just you

(48:48):
can see that father time and injury upon injury upon
injury is starting to take their toll. And he was
wondering we're going to get back to that bed stakes.
He'll probably just absolutely carves the pieces in the next
Ashes series over here and look a million bucks knowing
Ben Stokes.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
But yeah, yeah, father time mates the know man, you know,
and you can tell when it's start when when time
is starting to catch up. And I think time is
really starting to catch up with Vimo, I really do.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
So have you heard we're we going to be playing
on a day fifteen pitch? We're actually going to know
they're playing.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
They're playing in raul Pindi cities. But from what I understand,
they've had heat lamps, industrial fans and something that they
call a heat shield that they basically wrap around the
edge of the pitch to stop any heat evaporating from

(49:39):
it so they can dry it.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
Probably a draw and Pakistani I go cool drawn series.
Yeah for us, it's something like that. And why would
you be like they make some astonishing fast bowlers. How
why would you do that to yourself as a young
Pakistan hip. Why would you wake up and go, you
know what I'm going to do, go and play cricket fast?

(50:04):
Why would you do that to yourself? It's just the
least rewarding thing I can think of.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
Yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Like a fly It's like being a fly screen technician
for a submarine company. Why would you do that?

Speaker 3 (50:18):
Exactly?

Speaker 2 (50:18):
It's just absolutely completely unrewarding pastime that you would do
because they just through. It's just the worst wickets possible.
Like I'm people need to take more respect for people
like him at Kraam for those you know, he's four
hundred odd wickets here to play, most of them in Pakistan,
like between their slips, cordon and the absolute atrocious conditions

(50:42):
that a fast ball would have to play in the
fact that he has a record as good as he
has just shows just what a freak was he atcram Is.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
And yeah I am. And it's not only Hymn.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
You've got was you had our units, you had show
back Tar and you've got now the new generations show
FREDI you know, there's just this They just keep finding
these absolutely rapid fast bowlers, and you're like, how do
you guys find these kids that are willing to do
this to themselves? Why would you do that? In Pakistan?

(51:16):
Surely you want to be a batsman or a spinner. Yeah,
why would you want to be anything else? Because it's
no fun being a fast bowler.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
Well, I guess they always have to think, Oh, we'll
get to go and play over, so's where wickeds might
actually help. Yeah, we're just try and get into the
term and they'll take it somewhere.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Is another one. How does Muhammed asif ever become a
thing a guy that relies on guile and sideways movement
in Pakistan and swing and swing? I just I don't
understand how they've found.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
These people anyway. That's just one of those things that
cricket throws up, isn't it. You know, like some of
the greatest fast bowlers come from some of the deadest
places in the world.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Man, Yeah, it's just how you manage that. You can
understand South Africa having a fantastic fast bowler factory, mean,
high altitude, bouncy wickeds. Why would you do anything? You
just go with rough bats it up? Oh yeah, you've
got a big stick, Well, watch this, I'm going to
make your duck for cover for two days Australia, same thing,
cooka bar bouncy conditions. He's got guys like tom O

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and Lily and all this following the footsteps of you
understand why there's fast bowlers, But I just can't imagine,
Like I just I physically cannot imagine waking up as
a Pakistani child looking at the knowing the conditions that
you're going to go out and play in and go
I want to be a rapid fast bowler, like surely
it's just like no, I want to score a thousand
runs or I'm just going to turn it sideways because

(52:36):
it's easier to bowl spin because I don't have to
run in off three hundred steps and six thousand degree
heat and watch the ball bounce.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
And off into into a sponge cake. It's basically it's
slow balling into a sponge game.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Watching watching those sort of games gives me a new
found respect for the fast bowlers of Pakistan that have
come before, because it well done you, because they have
not they have not sort of nurtured your development at all.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
So are we prepared to say that this is a
going to be a drawn series, or England they're getting
get up, or what are we saying. I'm thinking, I'm
thinking of drawing series. I just I've been looking at
this week at raw Pindy. I reckon it's you know,
I make six hundred each in the first innings in
the game, will be able well well.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Based off that news about the conditions, you would expect
you lean towards drawn series. However, England have shown a
couple of times in Pakistan that if you know, the
roll of the dice goes well and the batting conditions
are super favorable, they could do what they did in
that first inning that first Test, make eight hundred. You

(53:46):
can see five hundred and six hundred, make seven hundred,
eight hundred and then bundle them out the end. So
you know what I'm on the basis that I've seen
England do it twice in two different tours. I'm going
to go England to win this one. Even if it
is an absolute just mind, like a runway of a wicket,

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if it comes out that there's actually a bit of
life in it and spinners are the way to go,
you're going to get some real return for your spin bowling,
then I think you know Pakistan will do it. I
don't think the England batting unit has the discipline and
I don't think England spinners are comparable to Pakistan spinners.
And it'll depend on the wicket. If it's one they

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go let's make a road law score or heap of runs,
have a good day, call it a draw. I think
England might put themselves in a position to win that game.
If it's one where spin is going to be what
dictates the the outcome, then I think Pakistan will win it.
So yeah, it'll come down to their conditions and how
well each team plays. But we know that England, we

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know that England can do the job. We've seen Pakistan
repeatedly show fragility in those sort of conditions, so I
think they're still there to play for. If they're going
to try and play for a drawer, I think little
will get the job done. The race for the other
opener position for the Australian men's Test cricket team is

(55:11):
heating up and there's been a number of opportunities in
the round two of the Shields and no one has
really put a foot for one of them.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
Got a fifty mate, and that is a little bit
on a disappointing side. However, what I will say is
that clearly the wickets for this round of the Shield
were a little bit amped up compared to what they
were for the previous.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
Round, Yes, and which was which was good to see
because that was probably a big concern or a big
complaint over around one and they all ended in draws,
whereas in this one they all ended in results. So
our all star started affair down at the MCG. New
South Wales had Stark Jackson, Burg came back and Steve

(55:56):
Smith played Boland came back and really turned things up
at the MCG. Victoria one that one by one hundred
and forty one runs, after routing New South Wales in
the first innings with a big lead. South Australia really
strong performance against Queensland they ended up winning by one

(56:19):
hundred and twenty nine runs, and then Western Australia dominated
Tasmania in the whacka winning that one by six wickets.
So if we start close to home and we'll talk
about New South Wales v. Victoria, I've actually thought that
was looking really good for the New South Welshman really
strong bowling performance five for Abbot's Stark only got the

(56:43):
one wicket but looked really really hard to play. Jackson Burt,
who's return to the new South Wales side, looked really good.
Young fellow jack Nisbitt came on to forty four or
handy on that side of things. Marcus Harris only managed
to twenty six and did look very out of sorts
against ady quality bowling against Mitchell Stars. Not particularly or

(57:06):
inspiring when it's a Test quality attack.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
This is what we keep saying.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
He managed to hang around for eighty nine balls for
his twenty six, but yeah, he did look, you know,
like there was going to be a ball with his
name on it coming sooner or later. Campbell Kellaway looked
strong fifty five one hundred and sixty. Pete Hanskin keeps
going on and just churning out the runs domestically, So
I would be shocked if he's not considered for that

(57:33):
upcoming toward Sri Lanka. They seem to have him penciled
in as a bit of a spin specialist, so and
I would imagine he would get himself.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
At his stage in his career, with the career that
he's had to be more than happy with that. When
you when you think you know you played, you've played
test matches around the world, and you're still in the
frame at this age because you're considered to be one
of the best, one of the best at this particular
skill in the country. I would be pretty happy with that.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
Yeah, And I've always been a big fan of Hanskam. Unfortunately,
I think that just the way that he plays this
technique doesn't really allow him to play proper elite fast bowling,
which has been exposed a couple of times. But you know,
like he's doing what works for him.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
And the thing is too, like you look at his
test record, if you just take it in you look
at those numbers, it's not a bad Test record.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
Really cashed in really strong against that Pakistan touring team,
a couple of hundreds there, got found out a bit
against England and found his way out of the side.
But yeah, I thought he looked fairly strong in what
was not a great batting performance all together for the
Australian side in that most recent India tour. I think
he's had some other subcontinent tours where I remember him

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scoring It was a sixty odd not out and he
had the you know, the Dean Jones broad rim hat
on and felt sick and we made the jokes that
maybe the Victorians might need to spend some more time
in the sun because they always seem to get sick
when it's they're out. But don't remember, I remember they
brought was at the twenty seventeen tour where Smith scored
that brilliant hundred and that tour. So he's had a

(59:07):
couple of cracks in India where he's he's himself to
a pretty good standard over for the Australian batting things. Unfortunately, Constance,
who was a whole world was watching at this point,
only managed two. I thought he was pretty unlucky to
be given that that LBW. I thought that was sliding down.
To be fair, I think Bollin got a bit of

(59:28):
the mcg love for that.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
One that he does.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
Steve Smith in his return of the New South Wales
side would be pretty upset he got a duck in
the second innings and tickle the one down the League
side for only three. I really like Josh Philippy in
this game. What was a pretty beaten side for the
New South Wales. He stood up and had a couple
of really good scores, but Fergus O'Neill proves that he
is going to be one to watch for Victoria Will

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suther On very very strong and Todd Murphy.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
So will sub them back actually battles for a couple
of injuries over the last couple of years. We he
is potentially a very very good area.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
I can't I'm struggling to imagine a world where he
is not in the in the frame to be replacing
Stark or Hazelwood coming up. Like, I think he's a
good enough bowler to be a front line Test bowler
and considering his attitude with the bat could you imagine
him coming in at eight for Australia with his with

(01:00:26):
his batting prowress. I don't ever think he's ever going
to be a Test seven, but I do think if
he wants to play for an Australian Test side, he
needs a strong first class bowler. And there's absolutely nothing
about his performances over the last threes where he's been.

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
He was certainly one of their elite bowlers last year
before he got injured. I rated him highly. I think
he's a very good player.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Yeah, Like he's been he's been a fantastic player, and
you know, he's obviously made more of his mark more
recently in the the white ball game, a couple of
games for Australia in there. I think it's a T twenty.
I don't know if he's got a one. I think
he has a couple of one day he'd have a

(01:01:12):
one day cap as well. I'm pretty sure I'd have
to go in and check on that. But yeah, see,
I think it would be silly to say that he's
not going to be donning the bagg of green once
this generation of bowls sort of gets there because he's young,
he's you know, so it's just so many skills of
the table, I mean, and we're talking about that. His

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first class record currently is one hundred and thirty three
wickets at twenty four.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
Yeah, so it's not bad as him. Was he twenty five?
Twenty five, twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Six, almost almost twenty five?

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
Yeah, so there we go. So he's not even twenty five.
He has over one hundred and forty first class wickets,
one hundred and thirty six weeks, hundred and thirty six
first class weekets at twenty four. At twenty four, that's
comparable to anybody who's going around.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
Man. Yeah, that's it's fantastic bowling. He will be like yeah,
like I said, when Hazer would or start gives it away,
he's surely got to be the ones that they're really
considering bringing into that side to move on. So moving
on to the South Australia, I really want to focus
on South Austraia little bit because there's some things there
that I'm very impressed with. Henry Hunt, who was a

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couple of years ago was touted as being possibly an
option for the future opening the batting. He's bounced back
to form with a fantastic sort of one hundred there,
almost carried the bat he was the last week it dismissed,
so for one hundred and thirty six out of South
Australia's three hundred and fourteen. Again McSweeney in the runs again,

(01:02:43):
the Hunter s thirty seven in that one. Looking like
he's destined for bigger and better things. I've washed shout
out to generation here, first or second generation cricketer Tom Whitney. Yeah,
got a fire mate and five far in the second inning.
It looks like he's a handy bowler that's going to

(01:03:03):
be around for Little Water, son of course of the
famous Whodes Wins host Mike Whitney. Also former Australian Test cricketer.

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
Yes, and very fine Australian Test cricketer too, by the way,
we'd had a pretty handy record.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
A little bit of a tongue in cheek there. It's
actually something that Mike Whitney himself said he was very
proud of as part of his television career, is that
people stopped recognizing him as the former cricketer who got
on TV and recognized him purely for his television work
and had no idea that he was a Test cricketers.
Like it means that I've done well in that aspect

(01:03:39):
of my life that people today don't even remember that
I was a Test cricketer, whereas before I got my
start because I was a Test cricketer. So yeah, So
there on Mike Whitney, Nissa again doing the damage. Another
fantastic Hall there three for sixty one. Just a guy
that was born at the wrong time, unfortunately, Michael.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
Unfortunately, I mean each year goes by, he kind of
slips a little bit further out of the radar and
it's a shame bea.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
He'll be an injury replacement player.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
He won't.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
He won't get a meaningful run at Tescriget unless there's
a big inn. And at this point you'd say that
if there was an injury to someone to unless it
was too stark. If Cummins or hasler Wood went down,
you'd imagine Boland and rightfully so Boland got that crack,
and boy did he make it the use of it.
But you would imagine that Boland will get that first crack,
so he'd probably say at best he was our fifth

(01:04:34):
in line, and you'd almost be thinking at that point,
maybe someone one of the younger guys. If Bolom goes down,
you'd go look at a younger.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
Guy looking for a younger fella to come in. Yeah,
Alex Carey, well, hasn't he really shown as something with
the bat this year?

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Yeah? Setting up a fantastic fourth innings chase, there cares
one hundred and twenty three not out up by seventy
from McSweeney and Nathan mc andrew going into the night
Watchman managed to get forty six, So fantastic there, and
unfortunately in both those innings there was nothing meaningful from.

Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
Renshaw.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
Same as will probably miss that in the first one.
Nothing meaningful from Harris in the second innings either. Stark
didn't take a six for as well, so he was
cleaning up.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
But I think Mitchell status comes back to Sheffield Shield
for fun, doesn't He doesn't. Every time he lines up
he's knocking people over for fun in the Sheffield Chield
these days.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
Yeah, so yeah, no one made any maroves or shakes
in that one. They set a huge target for Queensland
to try and chase down and they were good enough.
One hundred and twenty nine run wins there and you know,
Jordan Buckingham again proving that he is going to be
a guy that is worth investing in the future. I
think six of the game. Nathan mc andrew took another

(01:06:00):
five for next weeen. He's showing that he's got some
strings with his belt, picked up a wicket as well.
Moving down now or moving over to the West, I
should say Western Australia too way too good for Tasmania.
Not really too many in the Tasmanian side that you
think are really in contention for obviously made the comment

(01:06:24):
about bo webs, so maybe if you're going to go
to the middle order, but I just can't see that
being the way that they're going to go about it.
So Tasmania really no one with national aspirations, though Cory
Rocaicelli over at the Whacker again managed to take for far,
keeping himself very much in the frame to go over
to Sri Lanka. In terms of the Western Australian batters,

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Bancroft again failed. Nothing noticeable from Bancroft. Hilton Cartwright made
fifty left to go and watch his child be born
and then come back back, which I thought was pretty cool.
Josh English that is there a room maybe for him
to play in the same team as Alex Carey, that's
his second hundred in as many games.

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
Was actually a bit of an interesting thing out from
Greg Sheppard, who was a very well respected cricket coach
and personality around the Traps, who's had a lot of
success as a coach, and he's talking about English possibly
opening the batting in the Test series.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
I think they were taught. I think I saw that.
I think they were talking about maybe when they go
and play in the Subcontinent. The similar to the way
that they used Travis Head in that role because he
could play that hyper aggressive open to David Warners used
to fill in. I think maybe it's a little premature
to be playing that in sort of a regular test conditions,

(01:07:43):
but when it sort of gets thrown up in a
subcontinent conditions where sort of anything goes, you know. But
yet there's no doubt that English is a very talented
to play. I remember actually when Tim Payne was still
a wicked keeper, I was advocating that Kerrey could probably
bat side as a as a batsman, and you could
play English as the wicket keeper. And do you imagine

(01:08:06):
having a you know, head carry English as your five
six seven. There's probably some serious runs that could be
scored in that sort of sense. There's no doubt that
at this point that carry is locked in as the
as the kicking for the time being. But English is
the guy that they'll play. But if there's any injuries

(01:08:29):
and he looks for all that, you know, all intents
and purposes, he's ready to go here.

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
He's just super aggressive too. I love watching him bad a.
The thing about him that I really like but is
that he does just play cricket shots. He's not a
slogger by any stretching the imagination. He just plays good, firm,
technically correct cricket shots man and hits the ball really
hard and it goes a long way. Lots of like man,

(01:08:55):
lots of light.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
So we've you know, obviously quickly breathed through what's going on.
The big question, the burning question is we've been talking
about has been is the opener spot? So where would
you where you're thinking at the moment, I'm giving Bancroft
you reckon. You see, I don't like the fact that,
obviously we talked about last week Bancroft what should have

(01:09:19):
been considered the end of last year. I don't like
the fact though, that the lights are on bright. Bancroft
knows he needs to score some runs because it's all
to play for, and he's given us four duds.

Speaker 3 (01:09:30):
Yeah, but that can happen as an opening.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
Bats, can happen as an opening bouts to him. But
that sometimes that that's just not good enough, Like you
can't just go it's an open and shrug your shoulder,
like you know, you want results and Bancroft. Bancroft has
gone through periods where he scored, he's hit everything out
of the middle, and then big periods where he can't
hit the ball off the square. I remember they used
to religiously just set him a leg slip and then

(01:09:52):
get himself out. And at some point you would really
like to see Bancroft takes some ownership and go, if
I just get some good scores in I'm getting a
bag baggy greenback and he's given us.

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
You know, but where where does that? Where does that?
Like everybody else still nobody else has done anything.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
I still think I'm still with you. I still think
Bancroft is in a lead base, but that's purely based
off last season. I do think that even though he
only managed to get that forty two in the second innings,
constance has closed that gap would have been. It was
a very very difficult wicket to score runs on against
a very good bowling attack, and in terms of he

(01:10:32):
was the high scoring opener for the round. So I
think he I think he genuinely has put himself into
contention that it's not just a oh he scored some
runs and he's young, so we're having to think about
it like he could be right in there in that race.

Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
It's a very good player, there's no doubt about that.
He's technically a very good player.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
I wouldn't if he scores. I think we've got another
Shield round, maybe another two Shield rounds. If you're getting
a couple of other dudes scar out of the other
guys and he gets you know, some starts and another
big one. I think it's very much, seriously a conversation
that they have to have around the fact that we
know what we're getting out of Bancroft, we know what
we're getting out of Marcus Harris. Do we take the punt?

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
No, we can't.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
I know, and I agree with you, But I think
that he's whereas last week he was a long shot,
well not even a long shot. I think he was
just a speculator. It was a speculation we're getting in.
You know, we're putting him into the Australian A side
because he's young and he scored some runs. Maybe he
has a couple of good Shield games and a good

(01:11:38):
Australia A game and then someone like Bancroft or Harris
don't really keep going with what they're doing. You know,
all of a sudden, that question goes, oh, he's nineteen,
let's just have a look at him. To he's nineteen,
he could be anything like why don't we give him
a crack and th that's all you can do ask
as a nineteen year old is just go out there

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and score.

Speaker 3 (01:12:00):
Compared with Pukofski, remember a couple of years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
Pokofski had a lot more first class success under his
belt before they gave him a crack against in the
international cricket.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
Yeah, that's that's a that's a fair point. But the youth,
the potential is still there with conscious yeah. So and
I think clearly they have that they have that type
of idea in mind with a young plan.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
So I at first I was, I was very hard
in that do not ruin constance by exposing him to
India now, But after that innings and after watching you know,
a couple more duds from Bancroft, some more duds from
Renshaw and not a great return even with ninety balls,
did not look overly threatening in Marcus Harris thought, you

(01:12:46):
know what, maybe this kid might be the real deal
and maybe, you know, maybe it's not so much a
fanciful let's have a look at him and see how
he goes that. You know, could this kid actually have
a dream run to start the year and go from
obscurity to a bagg of green in the space of spring.

(01:13:06):
And you know, like I said, I thought he was
hard done by in that first innings and got out
to a very very good bowler, fought hard in the
second innings when the wicket was still doing plenty and
one of the better players that New South Wales had,
and I think forty The only other player I think
of note was Philippy with a really strong score. I
think you what, ninety carried the bat. Yeah, after watching

(01:13:30):
that innings and everyone else sort of collectively not do anything,
you know, I think he is edging into cool. That's
really cool to see a nineteen year old. Let's give
him a crack at Australia exposed into some high level
cricket and leave it that to you know, do the
doors creaked open? So maybe that's actually a legitimate chance
this kid actually gets a bagging green this summer.

Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
Yeah, look, that's possibility.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
I mean, let's face it. There have been plenty of
batsmen that have come from absolutely nowhere, real young age too.
To Phil Hughes was one such Intendker was like, sometimes
kids are genuinely good enough. Ricky Ponting was was playing
first class crick I win a sixteen man, I'm with you.

(01:14:15):
I still don't think he is the front runner or
no he should, but tell you what a good Australia
game and a couple of big Shield scores between now
and then, like I've gone for don't even worry about it.
Let's just let's just look at him to we'll have
a chat. Maybe he gets a crack.

Speaker 3 (01:14:32):
We could do. Look, what's the worst thing that can happen.
It's a five test series, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
And the thing is if he hoes out ships the
bed is awful. What completely worked over everyone? He's nineteen.
It's not the end of his career. I mean, Damian Martin,
you know, if Glenn were here would say was unjustly
dropped after and was unjustly dropped against South Africa. He
came back a few years later after some really strong

(01:14:58):
Shield years.

Speaker 3 (01:14:59):
And nearly fifty in test Crickodamium mightn't know forty six forty.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
Four to forty six. Yeah, I don't rate him because
he abandoned us halfway through an Astra series. I don't
forgive him for that, but it doesn't change my point
that you know, you you can go away you can
be exposed. You can go right, well, this is what
I did wrong, and you're young enough to incorporate that
into your game and then come back about a player
for it. So like worst case scenario is where one

(01:15:28):
for not many a bunch of times in that series,
we go all right, okay, yeah, our bad probably weren't
it wasn't what the right time. We don't take him
obviously to Sri Lanka. He finished off the season for
New South Wales. He comes back bigger and better and
tries again next year work on the things that he has.
You know, maybe we lose the Border Gavisco Trophy, which
would be pretty bad. But in terms of in terms

(01:15:48):
of personally for Sam Constas, it's a low risk, high reward.
The worst thing that happens is he goes, you need
to get better at this before you can play international level.
And he's so so young, you know, and it's it's
at the point where these thirty something year olds who
have been around the block for a while, you know,

(01:16:09):
in terms of Bancroft and Marcus Harris playing in their
home conditions, mind you, it's their home decks, the decks
that they know very very well. Didn't get the job done. Yeah,
you know the score. You know how it works. You've
played for Australia before. The currency is runs. You know
you have to score runs. You know you've got to

(01:16:30):
be good enough to go and do that. It's all
these like this run up to this Test series. It's
all on the line. You simply cannot afford to come
out and give me four single figure scores.

Speaker 3 (01:16:40):
Well, there's one more round, I think of the Shield
before they're going to pick the first Test squad.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
Yeah, one of two and the Australia and the Australia.

Speaker 3 (01:16:49):
A game one of these contenders and if it is Constance,
then hate. All right, You've done what we asked you
to do. You've made Shield, You've come in, you've performed,
but at a high level in a higher level game.
This guy has made five, this guy's made two or whatever.
Renshaw's not even in the squad. Why not?

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
Yeah, Like I said, I've still got Bancroft there based
off the hard work he's done for the last couple
of seasons.

Speaker 3 (01:17:19):
But I'm super.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
Disappointed that knowing that I said it a couple of
weeks ago, for a few podcasts ago. If you're in
Australian as soon as they had worries about Cameron Green's back,
as soon as they've said that, it's like, if you're
an Australian opener, my god, you need to go out
and score some runs early, put your name up in
lights early, and you come back at you as a

(01:17:42):
Bancroft fan. Because I like Cam Bancroft. I think we
really messed him over after sandpaper Gate all that sort
of stuff. Has been one of the better Shield performers
since his return. You can't come back at me, Cameron
with a pair and two scores under ten and in
your home conditions when you're auditioning for a bagg of
Green in probably the biggest test series that we have

(01:18:04):
had in a long long time. That just n I'm sorry.
I don't care how good the bowlers were, I don't
care what the conditions are like. You're playing, as you've
said earlier in this podcast, on his day, any any
other day of the week, the best bowler, fast bowler
on the planet. You know, if you're getting out to
the Tasmanian Shield team for under ten twice, how are

(01:18:28):
you convincing me the you're a ready to take on bornmer.
You're ready to take on Ashwall. You're ready to take
on Saraj who have beaten us in our home conditions
twice in the last two tours. You've got to be better.
Don't care that you're open. I don't care that sometimes
it's not your day. You needed to give me more
and you've given me less than twenty runs in four digs. Yeah,

(01:18:52):
same as Renshaw, similar boat. You know the score. You're
the last one out of these big this group to
play test cricket. You know what's required of you to
get your way back into the side runs. You need
to score runs again, don't care, do not care. You're
you're an international level cricketer. You know what's at stake.
You find a way to score those runs. You're letting

(01:19:13):
a nineteen year old that it had one fifty to
his name last year come in, take you sack, come
in and take your spots. He's nineteen, he scored two
hundreds against one team and we're like, yep, it's got
to be We've got to get people are now getting there.
We've got to get just he's nineteen. Just give it
to him. Just give it to him. It's your job
as veterans to go. You are nineteen, wait your bloody turn.

(01:19:36):
And the way you do that is by applying yourself
and scoring runs. Marcus Harris, the guy that is the
perennial joke of the Australian cricket team in terms of
the public and who gets a spot, is the only
one who's made a hundred year and is the only
one fighting for it. Like even that twenty it took
him ninety balls to get it, but he was there
for ninety balls like he gets it, you get like,

(01:19:57):
I've got to go out and score runs. He wasn't
good enough in those conditions against those bowlers, which again
scares me because it puts a cap on what we
can expect. If Stark and Bird are working him over,
what's that going to mean when we play India. But
at least he's like, no, I need to be here,
I need to be on that crease. I need to
score these runs. And then these other guys are not

(01:20:18):
only they're not scoring runs, but they're getting out like
super early in their innings. They can't even get a start.
You need to be better, you need to be better.
There's no point going I'm an opener sometimes it's not
your day. Sometimes the ball's too good. The conditions now
don't care, do not care.

Speaker 3 (01:20:35):
So basically some it all up is you guys need
to get your fingers out or this kid's going to
take his spot.

Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
Yeah, Like, honestly, what this, what stand constance has shown,
is that this is the last hurrah for these guys because.

Speaker 3 (01:20:51):
The future is coming.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
The future is coming. You're Harris and Bancroft, they're in
their early thirties. Renshaw, you know he's one, he's in
that sort of boat. This kid's nineteen. If if you
don't beat into this spot now, you know, that's it
done over.

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
It's going to play county cricket.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
Just yeah, you're just gonna win. You play for Shiel
Shield titles and go over and play county cricket. Because
I suppose, well that's not entirely true, because you do
have Kowaja coming out of the game sooner rather than later.

Speaker 3 (01:21:20):
Yeah, but if you're not good enough to step up
for this spot now when it's open, I guarantee you
that they're looking at a very similar type of player
to Kowaja because they think that like that blend of
an aggressive batsman and not so aggressive batsman. But if
you're in that queue, now there's years, aren't one or

(01:21:42):
the other? Do you know what I mean? Like, you're
not as good at holding the end up as what
Whizzy is and batting for long periods of time and
having great concentration, and you're not coming in and scoring fast.
So you're neither one or the other. Ah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
Yeah, and if they believe, if they let an nineteen
year old waltz in and take that spot and it
sticks done, test career Marcus Harris, Cameron Bancroft, test career
over Renshaw. Might you know because there's this misguided I
would almost say idea that he is versatile looking bat
anywhere in the order. I don't necessarily think that's the case,

(01:22:19):
but you might be looking at him possibly and playing
some other conditions. But yeah, at thirty three and thirty one,
that Bancroft and Harris over nineteen year old walks in
first proper full season and just clips on the ears
as they run past, as he run past and goes
I'll have that, thanks done, out of principle done. You

(01:22:40):
had your chance. You let a nineteen year old kick
the door down while you were there collecting ducklings, goodbye,
thanks very much. Lights are on bright now, Cameron, lights
are on bright now, Matthew, lights are on bright now, Marcus.
I want results and you haven't provided.

Speaker 3 (01:22:55):
It's going to be interesting too, like when he does
decide to to call the day and I'm thinking twelve months,
when you're in twelve eighteen months, maybe stick around for
the ashes.

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
I think it will depend on you. I think it'll
also depends on what resources are behind him. I mean,
we know the Australian cricket team hasn't isn't beyond asking
a player to hang around longer than maybe than what
he wants Ricky Ponting if the resources aren't there, So
it will depend on you know, Henry Hunt has had
a couple of good scores and then now he's come

(01:23:28):
back and scored another hundred, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:23:29):
And that's a typical Henry Hunt hundred. You know, it
probably went under a strike rate of under fifty, but
would have been as solid as hell and really really
hard to get out.

Speaker 2 (01:23:39):
I'm wondering if there's any inclination because he bats at
three normally for South Australia, and if there's any inclination
that MC Sweeney. They might be looking at as you know,
if he as I said, Cummins and McDonald have no
inclination around just picking the best six bats and making
it work. If they decide that, say Constance and Mixed

(01:24:00):
are in the best six bats in twelve eighty months time,
and they just go, Look, the spot that we've got
opened for you is opener, Nathan? Do you want it? Yeah,
I'll open the batting Sure, I get a bag of
green whatever. I've only back in the Midlord of the
South Australia.

Speaker 3 (01:24:15):
But the only thing is bat that number three. Anyway,
you're only one ball away from being out their first
ball anyway. You know number three is in the interesting
spot to bat, so you know it's I played Cricket
Captain on my tablet, which is a fantastic cricket cocuter
game where it's all sim based. I pick Nathan McSweeney
as an opener because I wanted to.

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
Fit him into the side somehow when Ussie and Co
eventually retired out of that team and I was like,
who I'm going to bring in? McSweeney was scoring shiploads
and runs in in Shield, you know, in the simulated
seasons and I'm like done, I'll train him to be
an opener, made him an opener, so yeah, you know
the show that necessarily he's a specialist opener may not

(01:24:56):
necessarily be what you need. If McDonald or co look
at that and go, you know what, we could take
in a camera Bancroft and a and a Marcus Harris.
That might do an okay job. But I really want
to get McSween into the side sooner rather than later.
And the only spot I've got is to put him
in his opener whacking like you know, like it's.

Speaker 3 (01:25:17):
Number three opener. It's like there's not there's not a
great deal.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
Or even if that might be a barist like La S. D.
Smith Martus, you're an open for us alongside you know Sam.
Potentially if Sam comes in, Councilors comes in as an opener,
we're going to get you at at you there's the
other opener, and we're going to bring McSweeney in at
three to get a bit of youth into the side.
I mean, that's got the makings of a really strong
side in the future. You know what McSweeney is showing

(01:25:42):
what Constance has potentially is. And then Cameron Green if
he comes back healthy. That's three guys under twenty five
that potentially could be good lynch pin the side for
a long period of time. Anyways, well, well, I digress.
We've probably spent a lot longer on this particular point than.

Speaker 3 (01:25:58):
Talking local cricket. Love talking about the shield. We love
talking about this sort of thing because this is the
future of our game. This is the future of the
Australian team, and we do keep a very strong eye
on it. We watch a lot of Showield cricket. We're
die hard fans of the Shield system and want to
produces for Australian cricket, and I love talking about absolutely.

(01:26:21):
I was actually quite disappointed. I was able to swing
it to go down and watch.

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
Some shoield with you, so was I. I was like,
then you're alone. We could have had I've never been
more soilent because I had no one.

Speaker 3 (01:26:32):
To talk next time. Maybe next time.

Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
All right, guys, thank you very much. I hope you've
enjoyed this episode. We'll be back as soon as we
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