Episode 187 - The Border Gavaskar Opening Salvos - Two Slips & A Gully

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Speaker 2 (01:38):
Stay, sit up. Hello everyone, and I apologize for our
small hiatus.

Speaker 6 (01:57):
We have had work and life and other things is
getting the way.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
But we're back. We're back for another episode of Two
Slips in the Gully and obviously we'll have plenty to
talk about with the first test of the Border Gavesco Trophy.

Speaker 6 (02:08):
Just wrapping up, I'm joined by Aaron.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
How are you mate? Sad?

Speaker 7 (02:13):
Yeah, sad it's probably the way to describe it. I think,
probably one of the more sad. It's basically the only
adjective we're going to find to describe it.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
Sad.

Speaker 7 (02:25):
Performances from an Australian Test team in last five years.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah, and there's other things also that have made today
are particularly emotional day.

Speaker 7 (02:39):
Indeed, I will probably view to touch on that, but yeah,
it's just been it's a sad day.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yes, we've also managed to tie down his management. We're
dragging back for another episode. How are your mate? Very
well eron how are you?

Speaker 8 (02:54):
And and as as well, thanks once again for having
me and yeah, look I think my managers a little
bit slack over the last few weeks, but good to
be back with you boys chatting all things cricket. And
yeah we'll l I like, bet you're already and rare
and to go after the last few weeks, especially with
the lead up into this series and obviously what we've
saw in the Test itself, you'd be.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Sure, like absolutely, But I.

Speaker 8 (03:19):
I'm going to go a different tact in terms of
where I head with my criticism. I won't be going
at the team so much. But anyway, we'll la we'll
save that for the big discussion later on.

Speaker 6 (03:32):
Yes, and we do have quite a bit.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
It's not just going to be all things boreder Gavesco
Trophy because as we've talked about that is quite an
emotional day, not just for Australian cricket, but for a
cricket across the globe.

Speaker 6 (03:44):
Today marks ten years that we tragically lost Philip Hughes,
struck in the head by a bouncer at the SCG
in a Shield match between South Australia and New South Wales,
just three days shy of his twenty sixth birthday. So
we're just going to spend just a little bit talking about,
you know, what could have been. I've obviously put a
post up on.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
Social media already for anyone that follows our socials talking
about Phil Hughes. In my opinion, he's probably been the
most mismanaged player in sort of recent history in terms
of how the selectors have treated him. And as I
said in the post, that Phil and Phil have been
given the leash that guys like the marsh Brothers or

(04:27):
you know, even someone like Marnus Lavishane or David Warner
have recently received. You know, we could have really seen
a truly special, special player that who knows what, who
knows what the records could be as he was heading
towards his thirty six birthday and probably you know, look
starting and looked at and long in the tooth and

(04:47):
maybe looking at retirement what that career would have been
for Phil Hughes.

Speaker 7 (04:53):
I don't think there's any doubt that at some stage
he was going to continue to just break records the
way the he did for New South Wales. That's a
very good point. I actually have a sort of a
bit of a caveat about that in that when he

(05:13):
was mismanaged by the selectors, I think at times he
didn't give them much of an option because of his
technical Now.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
I disagree entirely with that. When he was first dropped
in the two thousand and nine Ashes, mind you, this
is just after blitzing Stay in teeny more, all those
guys on debut was what nineteen scoring the youngest player
to score twin hundreds went over to County cricket. I'm

(05:44):
pretty sure it was only Div Two, but it was
still County cricket. He scored six hundreds in seven innings
heading into that Ashes series played overcast conditions, Andrew Flintoff
is in the middle of one of the best fiery
spells that I've ever seen. I think he ended up
scoring thirty six in that in that first innings before

(06:04):
middling one to gully and getting out that way, So
it wasn't exactly the worst thing ever. And then Strauss
caught him in the second Test off a grass catch
for a duck, which is pretty unlucky. But we're just
two tests removed from back to back hundreds in a
game and he gets dropped. Not because of his batting deficiencies.
He was dropped because Mitchell Johnson couldn't land a duke

(06:28):
anywhere near the pitch, and they decided to go and
get Watson in to provide bowling cover. And Hughes was
the most expendable player at that point because you weren't
dropping you know, was it Cattitch? I believe at that
point was the other opener. You weren't dropping Ponting, you
weren't dropping Clark, you weren't dropping Hussy, you weren't dropping
the wicket keeper. And I think Marcus North was probably

(06:50):
the other guy. And so they figured that Watson is
a guy that could open the batting and just was
around that time. I don't know if he was on No.

Speaker 7 (06:56):
One.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
I think he was a bit label. I'm pretty sure
our line up was Cattich Hughes, Ponting, Clark, uh, he'll
be five Huss Huss, sorry huss Clark North had and
had bowlers and so he got dropped because Johnson just
had the yips, couldn't land the ball. That's where you

(07:18):
got the spraise it to the left, spraise it to
the right. Johnson's bowling is shite thing. That was Barmi
army hitting with. That was what he got dropped for
the first time. Then the second time he got dropped
in the ashes, I'm sorry, you've got me down the rabbit.
The second time he was dropped, he played possibly the
finest innings that he's ever played. And it was in
that ash the Nagar Test eighty six not out when

(07:41):
we were in a huge hole. Badded phenomenally well along
with Ashdenega and then gets dropped because David Warner had
been suspended and they brought him back into the side
because you remember he punched Joe Route and that was it.
You're out of the side and they wanted to bring
Warner back and they've added Warner at six and Phil
and Phil Hughes would just played possibly the best innings

(08:02):
by an Australian for that whole series again is the
expendable guy, Like, how do you how do you say
he's not like there were form slumps absolutely when in
a young player, there was some. There was some innings
he's played over here where he probably didn't quite cashing
as often as he did, But the timing of when
he was actually dropped very rarely had something to do

(08:25):
with how he was performing. It was we needed to
cover a bowler or we wanted to bring Warner in
because we felt.

Speaker 7 (08:30):
That it was just probably a better way to look
at it was that those form slumps created an impression
that he was expendable at the time. And I don't
disagree with he was treated very very poorly over a
long period of time.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
It just it just is because we look at we
look at say someone like Marnus Labershean for example, right
and it was in a form slump as tragic way
more tragic than whatever Phil Hughes had to go through. Now,
Hugh Hughes was such an amazing first class player. Sean
marsh has been the gold standard of Shield cricket for

(09:08):
basically this era of Sheffield Shield.

Speaker 6 (09:10):
He's been the batsman.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
We will always sort of laugh when he gets trundled
back out for Australia again in the Test side. Had
given his poor Test record, but he's usually the only
guy in Shield scoring runs at the time, so they've
got really no other options. It took him, what's eight
years after Hughes died to overtake Phil Hughes in first

(09:32):
class hundreds. This is how what a record that Phil
Hughes had at the first class level. Now you're looking
at Marnus Labershane, who's been given this fantastic run, or
Mitch marsh who's been given this fantastic run of form,
where a fantastic leash that he could just do no
wrong and keep getting a crack because we're going to
wait him to turn the corner. Marnus Labashane was picked
with an average of thirty in shield cricket. He's never

(09:55):
had that same level of dominance at domestic level that
Phil Hughes had. Like everything about Phil Hughes screened. If
you give him time, the runs will come. But never
got it. It was just as soon as it was inconvenient,
he was out of the side, and it's just it
was criminally mismanaged. If he was given that same like

(10:15):
if Phil Hughes could bowl bright arm, medium pace, he
would never have been dropped. That's what he needed to do.

Speaker 6 (10:22):
Just bowl some meds, be an all rounder.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Just on the final thing.

Speaker 7 (10:29):
With that, I actually think we were about to see
the absolute best of him too. I mean, He's eighteen
months leading up to his tragic demise was nothing short
of spectacular as far as first class runs, as far
as runs. Every time he went out to bat, Phil
Hughes made one hundred. Philly Hughes did this, Phil Hughes

(10:49):
did that.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Well, Hughes was back in the side. He didn't need
to play in that game. He was playing that game
because why would you not. But I'm pretty sure Clark
was ruled out. He only played in that first Test
against India because of the They delayed the game because
obviously of the tragedy. So Clark got himself and like
once that he passed away, you could have sawn off

(11:10):
both of his legs and Clark would have still went
out to bat. But he was in the side.

Speaker 8 (11:16):
Like you know, I think if you listen and I've
heard Clarky talk on bast B the last couple of
mornings about about field because of the ten years and
that sort of stuff. And you listen to Clarky and
I think you're right as I think there was that
feeling within the side too that they felt he comes

(11:38):
that this guy's he's arrived. He's arrived for Australia. He's
just he's just going to be the next He's going
to be our next generational cricket that will opening the
batting for teen to fifteen kids.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Imagine him and Travis Head going at it now, like
who would want to feel the point if they were
out there batting on the off side for stop.

Speaker 7 (12:00):
I mean, the thing that always impressed me about Philly
Hughes was his ability to just read that length so
quickly and just be in position so quickly. And I
know that he's set up and everything allowed for that,
but have you ever seen, like in your life, have
you ever seen anybody just picked the length up of
the ball so quickly and just smoking.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
He was a little dude, like what we're talking maybe
five five five six, Like he was not a big guy.
I have never seen someone hit a square drive as
hard as Phil Hughes. Never. Yeah, and then that's not
because he's the tree trunk of a human being.

Speaker 4 (12:36):
That is timing.

Speaker 8 (12:38):
Got incredible technique for a small statue guy. Incredible technique,
the ability to pick up length very quickly. He reminded
his style reminded me of of a Brian Lara. But
that's just that massive backlift, ready to pounce on anything

(12:59):
that was remotely short. It could have been could have
been on that you know, six seven meter mark, and
he picked that up quick as quick as that be
pulling or cutting or you know whatever it was. He
just an extraordinary eye. I just want to say a
quick you know, thoughts with Sean Abbott today. You know,

(13:23):
it's got to be equally as hard for him, you know,
if not as more hard for him than anyone else
on the on the earth today. Seen a clip of
him today, you know, getting really emotional after that moment
of silence today at the s CG. So yeah, just

(13:46):
thoughts with Sean at this time, you know, every year,
because what must be going through his head, and being
a great mate of of Hughes's as well, would have
it's got it. It's got to be tough on him
and that that won't leave him, that that that will
forever stay with him, and he he's probably had to

(14:10):
overcome more than anyone with this tragedy, so and thought.

Speaker 7 (14:16):
People can say he's done it pretty well too. I
mean he's gone on to have a relatively story career
for somebody, I guess his ability.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Yeah, he's obviously been a store wark for New South
Wales quite a while, obviously been a strong part of
the Sydney Sixers picture and has gone on and had
some some success at the Australian Limited overs level. I
don't think we've probably ever seen him in a in
a baggy green, which is probably a shame for for Sean,
but he's certainly he's certainly one of those players that
are a good, honest international level cricket.

Speaker 8 (14:46):
Great honest toiler, you know, charges in always runs in hard,
you know, hits the deck.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
Hard, account all with the bat, you know, he's yeah, yeah,
very good.

Speaker 8 (14:56):
With the bat and has shown that for the Sixers
and also for the Straying One Day Song in recent times.
So you know, yeah, look tragic for him today as
well and to probably the thoughts of reliving you know,
that moment in.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
Time, but it shows a lot of character like I
wouldn't have would not have blamed him at all for
looking ahead at the calendar and going all right, yep,
this game finishes on the twenty seventh. Yeah, I might
just take this one off, lads. Yeah, because you know,
you know, especially when you're coming up to ten years,
it gets brought up every year, but when you get
into those milestone you know, five, ten, fifteen, twenty, student

(15:35):
and you usually get decades of there's always going to
be a big media push and rightly so, it is
a tragedy and you know, it's something that we should
be commemorated.

Speaker 7 (15:44):
It's interesting just reflecting back on that, how it touched
the whole nation, not just the nation, and touched the world,
like I think it was Pakistan and New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
We're playing a game at the time they've come out
the whole squads. I think they've just played in their
either helmets of the batting or just their caps. Their
baggies were lined up on top of their bats, which
were lined up on the inside of the fence. Not
a single bouncer was bold at all for the remainder
of that test. It was over in the UAE, so

(16:14):
I don't know, it's kind of like, what's the point,
But still there was no bounce.

Speaker 7 (16:19):
There was no effort to make the bounce. And I
just remember myself that weekend game one, probably our best
player at the time, went out, smashed, sixty thrown and
off just got up and walked off and like the
outpouring of emotional like just on social media where how

(16:41):
many places had the bats.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
Out the front of the hat on top. Yeah, that's
it for Hue. Yeah, A sad day. It's probably the
best way. Just leave it at that, A sad day. Yeah,
And then everyone that hasn't just just touched the the
of Australian cricketers.

Speaker 6 (17:01):
It was a loss felt felt globally.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
You know. I suppose that's the one thing about sort
of the world being becoming smaller in terms of you know,
distance and you know it's no longer having to go
on a boat for six months. International players regularly are
in contact with each other through social media and in
texting and all these more international fixtures that you can
tell that Hughes was very much all I loved individual.

(17:28):
You can tell that from the way that you know,
Michael Clarke obviously got in and around that, you know,
one of the tougher assignments. What a pil Hughes would
have Phil Hugh the only the only Australian cricket to
score a One Day International century on debut, which considering

(17:49):
us some pretty handy One Day International players we've had,
he's the owner. He's the only one to go out
and score on on debut and that was a fine
knocker as well. Yeah, anywhere the gully to mid off
was chasing a lot of leather that day.

Speaker 7 (18:07):
Imagining him just going on one of these flat decks
and T twenty, you know, the two men out on
the first.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Absolutely can't the cartage at Travis Headers caused in the
wild wall cricket in the last two years or so.
I think he's indicative of what you could have seen
Phil Hughes do it, because yeah, as good as Travis
Head is, I haven't seen anything that he's played that
says to me that he is as good as what
Phil Hughes was when he was in full flight. So

(18:38):
you know, Hughes properly seasoned playing international cricket on the regular.
Obviously improving his game as he's going could have been,
could have been anything, and that's what's.

Speaker 7 (18:48):
And the level of improvement that he did show over
a period of time too, was like, you know, those
deficiencies that he had on the leg side and sparring
at the ball outside of stunt, he eliminated them.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Basically, change there was.

Speaker 6 (19:02):
There was no complaining.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
You were told this.

Speaker 6 (19:05):
He went and did it when you look at guys
like Marcus Harris that I have obvious technical deficiencies and
then just go back and go, well, if I just
keep scoring runs, I'll kick me.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
I won't fix anything in my game, but I'll just
mount the first class runs and then get exposed at
international level again. Whereas Hughes actually went and you know,
we don't think you're really good under the short ball.
You can't cook and pull as well as we'd like,
So it goes and becomes watch this. You know, a
pretty good hooker and puller of the ball is a.

Speaker 7 (19:32):
Brutal puller of the ball man a brutal pull up.
Anything that was on that hip, you just smash it it. Basically,
he lent from being really weak there and being caught
being caught legs slip down the leg's side at short
leg and you just couldn't bowl there towards it towards
him in the end, then you just belt yeah, it

(19:53):
was just like almost his second best shot, all right.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
But yes, so well that's a little for a bit
to Phil and you know, he will forever be missed
by the Australian Cricket, World cricket, and big shout out
to Sean Abbott and his friends and family. I'm sure
they're all rallying, arounding and what's going to be a
very tough and emotional day for Sean and just yeah,

(20:19):
rest in Peaceville forever sixty three not doubt.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Checks jonderfully.

Speaker 8 (20:30):
Well, I've been put under pressure here to introduce our
next segment for the podcast, but we're going to talk
a little bit about the IPL and the IPL auction
that was held over the last couple of nights and
just going through a couple of the big results in
the auction. Obviously the biggest was wristbar punt and he's

(20:54):
now off to the luck now super.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Giants my team.

Speaker 8 (21:00):
For a record, I think it was four point eight million,
so that's huge, huge dollars for the amount of au
or US US US yes, us, so that's huge money for.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
What is it just on six seven weeks two months
and score rounded up too much?

Speaker 8 (21:20):
Still good coin, so yeah, that was ultimately the best
result of the auctions.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Eyah held that distinction very briefly for the very briefly. Yeah, well,
I think it was only there was only one play
between them in the auction. He's an interesting character, sha side.

Speaker 7 (21:39):
I mean, he's seen perform really well at times and
then he's seen perform really really poorly at times. And
he seems he one of these outspoken guys that is
getting himself in a little bit of trouble all the
time with some of the things he says, some of
the things he does, or his social media presence or whatever.
I find him highly overrated.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
I do.

Speaker 7 (21:58):
For the amount of coin that they've at this guy,
I just think that's a lot of money. Was it
what four point two million or something?

Speaker 2 (22:04):
Yeah? Four point two he went for. Yeah, I think
you're right.

Speaker 8 (22:09):
And if you listen to and you look at any
of the socials with the IPL super fans they call themselves,
they did a ranking system of what the best buy was,
what the worst value buy was, and Chazaia came up
in nearly all of the worst value for the whole IPL.

(22:29):
So you look interesting that you know that he would
go for that amount of money They obviously think.

Speaker 7 (22:36):
A lot of him either the talents under the talent's underniable. Yeah, okay,
the mental side of it, maybe he's lacking a little
bit because I was sawing him at international level a
few times and he hasn't hasn't looked particularly It doesn't
look particularly secure of anything that bounces, not in his
half of the wicket. And as an international player, and

(22:58):
you get away of that in the IP, well, you
don't get away with it in an international cricket.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
Yeah that's true.

Speaker 6 (23:03):
Yeah, as Jake Frasier mcgir you can get away with
the IPL.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
Well.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
You know.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Interesting, did he get picked up? He did, Jake Fraser McGirk.

Speaker 8 (23:13):
Now I have to trust on my team's here, but yeah,
he was picked up and picked up very cheaply and
late on. I think our highest was Hazelwood. I think
he was the highest half the Hoff and I think
Hoff is off to Puna's mob, so I think Puna

(23:34):
picked him up. It was interesting to watch the auction too.
Parna was sitting.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
He's with.

Speaker 8 (23:43):
Punjab, so he was sitting up there lang as the
luck now Super Giants guy, and you could see the
eye contact between both of.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Them was like, are you upping the price for this
one or are you doing it? It was it was
quite quite.

Speaker 8 (23:58):
Funny because they're obviously very good mates and you know
they were obviously you know, having a bit of a laugh.
But it was it was pretty cool watching that go on.
They're saying that.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Chen I have done very very well reas in your opinion,
look good, rat have done nothing like you. Look at
you look at the guys that they've kept. Basically should
un gill that was it.

Speaker 8 (24:37):
You've got Rushi Khan kept. They picked up Butler and
I don't know whether that's I'm like, I'm seeing that
in decline. I can't see that he's on the way up.
They spent a fair bit of coin on him. They
did pick up Charage and Roberta. Yeah, so they're going

(25:01):
to be very strong bowling, but looking at their batting,
they are going to struggle's been the man there for
a couple of years anyway. Yeah, well you've really got children, Joss,
and that's it. Like no other batter other than they're

(25:21):
all rounders. Went for over one point zero crow, So
that's not that's not big money.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
So those they're what they're looking at is someone like
a Joss or a Shuldman to go big and then
just get quick fire contributions down the order. So if
you can get it, if you're getting close, you know,
eighty to one hundred quick fire out of Sugarman or Joss,
and then you're getting and starts at everyone else, you
get well on your way to a fairly decent score.
And then with a Rashid and Rabata and Saraj, they're

(25:51):
you're pretty hard to score off.

Speaker 6 (25:53):
You're looking at maybe you know, winning that with the ball.

Speaker 7 (25:56):
Well, it's an interesting strategy that you see some of
those I appeals to develop is that what I noticed
with a lot of the teams is I start off
with fairly traditional sort of lineups. You know, they're back
to five, you know, so the guys who are there
all back to five and usually might get a couple
of overs out of them. But then they tend to
stack it up with all rounders and whatever as it

(26:18):
goes on in the year, depending on how successfully you've been,
the more all around as you'll play. Because if you've
got guys at the top of the order to making
those big runs, you can keep stacking it and you've
got so many bowling options. And that's what I think
is decaying in IPL cricket and in T twenty cricket
in general, is you need to have a lot of

(26:38):
bowling options. And you know, some of these teams will
play six rounders.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
I'm saying it done well, they'll have to. Yeah, if
you if you look a good rat, they'll have to
play at least four all rounders and so cover the bat.
You're going to play three bats, four four or five
all rounders and three bowlers.

Speaker 6 (26:57):
Who's keeping for Josh, I'd say probably.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Yeah, definitely Josh Sunrise's hydrant. They will be tough.

Speaker 8 (27:06):
Just looking they they kept class and they've kept Comings,
they've kept Sharma, they kept Head and they've added Chami,
they've added Patel, they've added Zampa. Wow, now that that's
that's a hand equality lineup. Then you've got Mendus, young Malinga.

Speaker 7 (27:32):
Remember they've got young Abershach Salma opening the bat and
with that well, yeah, and he's an absolute garner. I'm
surprised they didn't actually bring him on the tour out
to hear because everything I'm certain him says.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
I love the short ball, baby.

Speaker 8 (27:47):
I think they see him sort of classified as one
day slash twenty twenty. At the moment, he probably hasn't
done the business in the in the longer form in India,
so I guess that's probably where they see him. Yeah, look,
it's it's going to be interesting. I think Sunrise is

(28:07):
going to be very hard to beat. Chenni always there.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
Uncapped player. He's an uncapped player picked so they picked
him up really cheap, cheap on the books, cheap on
the books. Baby, you're telling me MS is turning out
for workman's wages. I don't think so. He wouldn't be
doing it quite out of the goodness of his heart,
but he does like he does love the super he's

(28:34):
probably doing it for portions of the Chennai prophets.

Speaker 8 (28:38):
So back to Fraser McGirk, Delhi Capitals have picked him up.
Delhi have done really well. They they only kept four players,
so they kept Pattil You to have stubbs and poor eye,
I think it is.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (28:56):
So, but they've picked up Harry Brook, Fraser mcgok, Mitch
Stark and the value is kl roll from from lucknow
so luck noow, I've pretty much done a swap. They've
done a swap with from kl to Wristpa, so being
interesting to see how that plays out.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
How did how did Pana go? What Hasna done for
He did pretty well? He did pretty well. They needed
to but.

Speaker 7 (29:22):
Punjab being underperforming for a long time and they I
think bringing Punter in was just to clean out the
old guard and to get.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Some new new blood in there.

Speaker 8 (29:33):
Well you can see Puna's Australian flavor in this side.
So you've got Maxwell was picked up very cheaply. Josh
Ingliss is now a Punjab king. You've got Marcus Jansen
from South Africa. So that's part of the Washington Freedom

(29:55):
Freedom connection. Yep, so great pickup Stoyness. So Storing has
been a little bit in a bit of a bit
of form as.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Of day was really good.

Speaker 8 (30:07):
And of course Aya, so they've picked up. Yeah, they
they only kept two players, the two sing boys, so
that's that's that was interesting and our steep Sing so
sorry that they kept him as well. So yeah, pretty

(30:27):
pretty fair side.

Speaker 6 (30:29):
And did you say Hoff went to them as well?

Speaker 7 (30:33):
No?

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Hof?

Speaker 8 (30:34):
Where did Hoff go? Hoff has gone to the Royal Challenges? Yeah, yeah,
he was their highest highest paid player that they brought
in him and Phil Salt, which was interesting. Phil Salt
went for good Coin.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
So Phil Salt is that archetypal.

Speaker 6 (30:55):
You were going to say Salt of the Earth open.

Speaker 7 (30:57):
And he's just that typical, you know, he's the English
version of Fraser McGirt.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
You pick a bloke named Pepper who is an opening
bat in like the hundred or the at West Blast
and their last sort of tour, and there was always
this push for at some point they could have had
Salt and Pepper opening the batting. That's absolutely correct. I
think they played a test.

Speaker 8 (31:21):
I don't think Pepper opened, but I'm fairly certain that
they played a test together.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Oh that'd be awesome.

Speaker 6 (31:27):
I have to go check.

Speaker 8 (31:28):
Yeah, well I will be checking out where I get
home too. But yeah, look great, ip election. They do
it better than anyone else.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
They do it in.

Speaker 8 (31:39):
I think Tabu Dhabi as well, So that's cool. All
the shakes come in, they pick out of the big
you know big you know Tumblr, pick out the person
you know, and then the marquee ones. They roll them
out on scrolls. The poor, the poor, you know, nonchalant players.
They just name they got name plarks out of a bowl.

Speaker 5 (32:01):
Really.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yeah, So the first night was really cool.

Speaker 8 (32:04):
Because that was all the Marquee stuff, and then the
next one was the bones. But it's the bones, but
it's where you can pick up a lot of good value.
It's where you probably build a lot of your nuts
and bolts to your side. So there was quite a
few teams that were active in that space because they
hadn't spent a whole lot on Marquee, so they were
you know, but again the ones that did spend a lot,

(32:27):
your super giants, your your RCB, you know, those teams,
they had to make up their twenty five with a
lot of lower guys because they'd spent so hi.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
So it was interesting how I played out. I have
the tol and salary cut there.

Speaker 8 (32:41):
Yeah now yeah, yeah, yeah, Well you look at their budgets.
It's I think they're around about the fifteen sixteen chrome so's.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
That's that's a lot of money. That's millions. Man, was huge,
it's huge. I was I'm pretty sure it works out.
It was a roughly one point five me and a
crawl or something. It's ridiculous.

Speaker 8 (33:03):
Yeah, but they but they But I love how all
the owners sit at the table as well, and you know,
they feel like they're involved. You know, really it's just
the coaches and the numbers guys really spinning the wheels.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
But they're there for the free drips.

Speaker 8 (33:17):
Well, the owners and owners they're putting up the paddles
and you know, making it make it all fun.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
So it's good.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
I'll sit up all night and watch it. But it's
something that definitely that the the BBL could could take
a Obviously, I think we've got the infrastructure to do
an auction draft, but just a bit of the like
you've gone too the trouble of implementing a draft which
you've then spent one year before. You then allow players
to pre sign and just skip the draft altogether, which

(33:44):
is made no sense. But there's just there's no pageantry,
there's no it's.

Speaker 8 (33:49):
Not a spectacle. The I p L is a spectacle.
And that's why I love seeing up and watching because it's.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
An afternoon barbie. And I don't mind if you gonna
if you're not going to do anything with it, if
it's just as a matter of fact, we need to
get through it so we know who's playing where. Don't
bother televising it there, just just just have a media
release the next day and going okay, you know, just
have like a play by place where you can just
see yourself.

Speaker 7 (34:16):
There's that many of these pundits that have got floating
around like Mark how and all these other guys you know,
I mean, I was.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Watching it and just another love job. It's just another
love job walking around drinks in their hands.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
Mark.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
We're paying you, We're paying you x amount of dollars
that talk cricket for the year and you haven't done
enough work, so you're going to cover the draft? Yeah, yes,
I'm covering the It's just such a non event, like, yeah,
you don't even have like when they announced the player,
there's no like you know, they've got like this big

(34:52):
led screen at the back, and you think, at least
if you're going to like and with the first pick
the Melbourne Stars select Josh Butler. You have like Oss
Butler's name came on the screen, doesn't even have I'm
just like, what is the point of this?

Speaker 8 (35:04):
Why they they screened the to the coach and the
you know, the staff, and they're all just going there's
four people who cares, like make it a spectacle. Like
they've got four people sitting.

Speaker 6 (35:19):
At the table for no reason, you just have one.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
It's just the dumbest thing. I think Darren Lehman's daughter
was sitting at the table there one year. It's just crap.

Speaker 7 (35:30):
Anyway.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
But but op are really cool, so it should be
a great season. I can't wait.

Speaker 8 (35:36):
I think it kicks off late fair Lake Fair early March,
so that'll be that'll be exciting, coming sort of out
of our summer to watch it.

Speaker 7 (35:46):
So yeah, I do.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
I have become an IPL devote over like the first
three years couldn't really give because I I think I
was pretty anti ten twenty cricket to start with, coming
from that very traditional sort of and now it's crick
and it's on. Now it's a trigger, it's on.

Speaker 7 (36:03):
And what I like about is the evolution of the
game now is there is strategy and stuff like that involved.
Although some of those Ipeld wickets.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
You know, there was no there was no scar. It's
on two hundred and eighty and twenty overs. Who wants
to be a bawler? The last I there was no strategy,
just Seaball hit ball for one hundred and twenty of
them and pray that someone like does a hamsterding halfway
through their innings and can't hit it as far as
they get. All the overseas players get cramped because they

(36:34):
can't deal with the subconderent conditions.

Speaker 7 (36:36):
Yeah, any anything for a little bit of change. I
must admitt it was. It was pretty hectic for the
bowlers last year. I mean that the average of perro
was something close to ten.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
You look.

Speaker 6 (36:47):
Think the example of that is Jake Frasier McGirt Drake Fasian.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
McGirt should have been one of the highest paid players
in IPL history after that IPL, but there was too
long between two I and then he's just been rubbish,
absolutely rubbish for Australia since then. And everyone's going maybe
there's just not as much to Jake Fraser mcgurg as
we thought. All these people go and get him to

(37:13):
the Test side. It's like, let's let him back to
task him.

Speaker 7 (37:16):
For the It's interesting, it'll be interesting to see center
we're talking about another really dashing opener in our previous
section who went away and learned how to how to
play and how to fix his deficiencies and how.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
And how.

Speaker 7 (37:34):
He's a guy who has the cricket world handed to
him on a platter on the basis of what half
a dozen good innings is last year in the i
PL on roads and he's fleeting. Yeah, it'd be interesting
to see what his mental state is in regards to.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
His future.

Speaker 8 (37:57):
He's I'm not so harsh. He's got the goods. He
he looks, he looks a good cricket.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
Me.

Speaker 8 (38:07):
It's what happens with young bikes. Look, I mean they
get rushed into these things all of a sudden, you know,
the world's at their feet. Things become a little bit overwhelming,
and then all of a sudden it's to come down.
It's to come down from that, and you just what.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Fraser McGirk needs to do is figure out a way
to crack that shield side and don't even worry about
white ball cricket because we'll find another state. Because he
did that, he moved from Victoria, South Australia which historically
they probably one of the weakest red ball liners and
can't get a game. But if he figures out of
way going through domestic whatever, the adelaide great cricket, get

(38:44):
himself into that shield side and actually be a good
shield player. The skills that he'll need to get to
become a serviceable shield player will actually help his white
ball because the biggest issue is that he can't stay
out there long enough to score the run. So if
he gets that, you know when to leave the ball,
when to just knock it around the corner, when to
actually have a solid defense for when the new white

(39:07):
ball's doing a bit, and can actually survive through that
first twenty balls twenty five because I think, what in
the games that he's played for Australia, other than that
fifty that he scored against Scotland, he hasn't survived past
the fourth over t twenty or a one day. So
he just goes and says to himself, how do I

(39:27):
get into the South Australian Shield side? What skills do
I need to improve upon to get into that side?
When he learns those skills, he'll it'll help him one
thousand percent for that white ball game because he'll be
playing long enough that because we know that he gets in,
he'll go to strike grade two hundred.

Speaker 6 (39:43):
He doesn't need that many balls, but I still just need.

Speaker 8 (39:46):
And mind you, there's a few Australian batsmen in that
Test side that could probably learn a thing or two
as well. And there's a perfect segue goss.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
We'll get to that surely. Okay. Now the bit that
I'm sure we're all waiting for here, all sitting there
going when are they going to get to the fireworks factory?
And that's just pulled up, baby, and that being.

Speaker 6 (40:13):
The border gavesca trophy in the first test.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
So yes, unless you've been living under a proverbial rock,
India have come out and absolutely walloped the Australians, and
boy have our media not enjoyed it, and rightly so,
because it's been a pretty poor performance by our batters.
They've come out things look really good to start the
first Test. We are knocked over the Indians very cheaply

(40:38):
within two sessions and for one hundred and fifty and
then it just went downhill as an Australian from there.
So we're gonna have a bit of a chat about
all things to go with this test. Then I'd like
to start with the lead up to the test, because
obviously there's been a bit of a hiatus so we
didn't get to cover a lot of this. They're probably
the biggest thing in the hiatus were the two biggest

(40:59):
things would be the amount of cricket that Pat Cummins
and the big senior players have played heading into it,
and the other being who wants to be Australia's next
open up game show that we played to fill in
that spot. So I'm gonna throw to you, Craig, because
you've had the biggest emotional out first of that little chat. Then,

(41:20):
So what share is your thoughts? What are you what
are you thinking in regards to the lead up to
this series. Yeah, look, there are some fundamental deficiencies with
Cricket Australia.

Speaker 8 (41:32):
And as an organization, as an organizations, as a as
an organization that filters down into the state jurisdictions, as
an organization that doesn't see the future at all and
hasn't done Oh.

Speaker 6 (41:49):
It's the use of the next border Gavasco trophy, all
the ashes.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
That's about as far in the future. But I don't
think they do. I'm toy in terms of the banking
in terms of.

Speaker 8 (41:58):
Their bank account, sure, but in terms of developing talent
in this country, no, no, they don't. You had the
perfect opportunity probably this last twenty four months looking at
Steve Smith's flying, Martus's flying. But there will come a

(42:23):
time when they're not And what happens when they're not
and what are we going to do about it when
they're not. We have a underutilized Sheffield Child competition which
doesn't run at the right part of the season at all.

(42:43):
We have this stupid one day competition that is droops
and drabs across.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Across the nation.

Speaker 8 (42:54):
I don't get it. I don't understand the fifty overcomp
that we have. It's not like the Tom Mutual comp
that you know in years gone by that used to
produce and used to bring up young cricketers.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
And we have this.

Speaker 8 (43:10):
BPL BBL competition that they have. I think they finally
got the scheduling and the finally got the amount of
games right for this upcoming season, but it's taken them
what fourteen fifteen years to get that, to get that.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
Right scheduling in a vacuum, I disagree. I passionately maintained
that the Big Bash should be played as soon as
the MCG can be made ready after the AFL Grand Final,
as soon as the you know those Opta stadiums, all
those SCG MCG, as soon as they can go from AFL.
The Cricket Big Bats should be the first thing that

(43:46):
we have get that out of the way and then
you run marsh Cup and Shield all the way through.
I do, however, understand that the powers that be look
at the financial win of holding the Big Bash during
the Christmas break, But I still maintain in terms of
if you're looking at purely as a cricketing schedule as
opposed to the financial concerns involved, that the Big Bash

(44:08):
will be the very first thing that Australian audiences get
is Big Bash cricket.

Speaker 8 (44:13):
Or respectfully disagree and I see your point. The thing
for me is that are we serious about producing four
and five day cricketers or are we removing ourselves from
that now?

Speaker 2 (44:30):
I don't think we're serious about producing cricketers period, because
the entity that the money is going into, being the BBL,
have outright said that they don't see themselves as a
development competition. Then they and you look at it. What
young player has come through and announce themselves in the
Big Bash and what we're up to.

Speaker 7 (44:53):
Well, no, I think it's fifteen now four done or
fifteen Yeah, I'm sure, but this is my point.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
And we don't even produce t twenty cricketers through that. No,
But maybe English is probably the only one that you,
I would say that is probably really nailed down a
permanent spot in that side. There's been a few flashes
in the pan, like Ashton Turner announced himself through the
Josh Phillippy Josh Philip. Yet Josh Philip has played a
handful of no one's and you look at just the

(45:21):
printing press.

Speaker 6 (45:22):
That's the IPL for their cricketers.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
But the only thing that that's done is it's turned
some you know, handy look and T twenty cricketers have
got themselves some shield contracts.

Speaker 6 (45:32):
That's about the most.

Speaker 8 (45:33):
You can't tell me though, that the programming in this
country is is just completely diabolical. We have the opportunity
in this country, in most states of Australia, to be
able to start shield cricket in August. The weather is,
the weather's fine, The weather is has never been a

(45:54):
problem from August onwards. So why aren't we starting our
four day cricket in August to get these guys ready
or get these prospective guys ready for a really decent
hit into our summer. It mind boggers me, and it

(46:14):
has done forever, and that's what leads me into this
ridiculous situation that we had in trying to pick an
opener for this test, and we didn't even go with
a specialized opener. We went with a guy who's averaging
thirty in shell cricket. Again, we fail ourselves. The system

(46:37):
fails us because we can't produce guys who were averaging
fifty and sixty in shell cricket, because we have to
pick guys who are averaging thirty and then wondering why
they can't produce at the top level.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
See, the thing is that we missed the golden opportunity
last summer when we wanted to have our cake and
eat it too with the ends Pakistan. The choice should
have been once Warner retired, Bancroft opens because he's had
two straight summers where he has been by far and
away the best opener. YEP, and you choose between Marsh

(47:12):
and Green because one of them is surplus to requirements.
But we won't have our cake and eat it too,
so we decided to move Smith to open the sigst
number four so we could play both Marsh and Green
in the side. Now I am so happy that Mitch
Marsh managed to turn his career around and have this

(47:33):
purple patch that he's had since twenty twenty one onwards.
But at the end of the day, if Green is
good enough to move Smith to open, he's good enough
to supplant Marsh in the Test side. And that should
have been Bankroft there, getting that full summer, getting used
to playing Test cricket again and having what half a
dozen Test matches under his belt coming into the border

(47:55):
gavesco trophy. It's what we should have done. That being said,
in relation to this approach that we've had to the openers,
I think I said it in a podcast. I think
it was just me and you as soon as the
news came out that Cam Green was secondhand. He wasn't
ruled out at this point, but he was not bowling.
He's got I think I said to you, he's going
to be ruled out. He won't play. And if I'm

(48:17):
an opener in New South Wales, opener in Australia, I'm
looking to I need to score runs. And what was
so infuriating is these guys, Renshaw, Harris, Bancroft have all
played Test cricket before multiple times, all know what's at stake,
all know what you need to do, and all of
them collectively sucked, and you know it just failed, but

(48:40):
failed miserably. And I just and like, I was hard
on the Bancroft bandwagon last year, but you can't tell
me the lights are on bright, I need one of
you three to score some runs for me, and then
Bancroft goes and gets five ducks on.

Speaker 8 (48:56):
I'm hugely sympathetic to cam Bancroft because if you been
through what Cam Bancroft's been, Cam Bancroft was never getting
in that side. He was never getting in there, and
I feel for him, and I really feel for him
because he should have been.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
He should have been there before. But once he got
to this, I think that we picked the best player available. Yep,
but he should shouldn't have been. McSweeney opening the batting,
but I think they made the right choice given that
these guys who have played Test cricket have shot the bed.
McSweeney's at least he's got one hundred under his belt.

(49:31):
You know, he's got a technique that theoretically he should
be able to survive at the top of the Audrey
likes to leave the ball. He's fairly compact, and you
know they've given him a crack and he was. Rather
than him winning the spot the opportunity to open Australia,
he was the least ship option, which is the biggest
problem we've had with how our domestic competence. Can you

(49:52):
look at you can you imagine ninety nine to two
thousand and five picking the least ship No, absolutely, do
what I.

Speaker 8 (50:00):
Mean, And that's what I mean. There were eleven twelve
thirty guys kicking the door.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Down in that time period. It was not ridiculous to
state the two best sides in the world test sides
in the world were Australia and Australia.

Speaker 8 (50:14):
But our domestic cricket schedule and our domestic cricket set
up was that that prescribed for that many people or
that many batters or bowlers being at that level ready.
They were at that level ready because we hadn't let

(50:35):
them down with scheduling. We hadn't let them down with
the amount of support that cricket Australia had. It was
all about the cricket back then. It wasn't about the dollar,
It wasn't about you know, oh jeez, you know what
you know?

Speaker 2 (50:51):
Can we turn.

Speaker 8 (50:51):
BBL into a twelve thirteen sixteen week you know type thing.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
It wasn't about that.

Speaker 8 (50:57):
It was about giving our best cricketers, or our best
young cricket is the best chance to play for their country.
That is what cricket Australias mantra should be.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
And I think as well where we've gotten lost, especially
New South Wales, but I think across the board rather
than looking at the best players available playing first eleven
for your state, very it became apparent that it was
the best players available with the right number next to
their day of birth, where they're like, let's have a
look at this guy because he's nineteen and has the

(51:29):
world ahead of him. Instead of picking the twenty eight
year old that might be scoring tons for fun in
Sydney first grade, we go and pick a guy who's nineteen,
has just rathered off a couple of good scores and
has looked good in a few New South Wales camps
and all of a sudden he's and it's just it's
watered down shield to the point now where we've tried

(51:49):
to go uber young and then a lot of those
players that are just beaten up on these kids in
first grade for their respective Brisbane first, Melbourne first, Peron
for Sydney first.

Speaker 8 (52:01):
Yeah, and let's be honest, Constance as much as there
was media, you know, drivel around his you know, they
were all drooling over this young kid, you know, and
it's media does that right, you know, But they're not cricketers.
They don't understand the intricacies of what it would take

(52:22):
for a nineteen year old to open the batting for Australia.
It is the hardest position in any cricketing team to
open the batting for your country, because you are playing
against the elite's best bowlers and you're facing that new ball.
So sending a nineteen year old in against the world's

(52:43):
best fast bowler and there's no doubt.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
About that.

Speaker 8 (52:48):
Against him could ruin him for future years if he's
not ready. And they made the right call on Constance.
It's got nothing against that. But we put a guy
like Nathan McSweeney in a position where he was set.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Up to fail in late and on both times and yeah,
we'll go into.

Speaker 8 (53:09):
It a little bit later how he was set up
in that second innings as well. But we as a
we as a cricketing nation, are failing our best young
cricketers at this point because of the way that we
program our cricket the way that we are stationed everything
to limit it overs cricket at the moment, and it's

(53:29):
all to make a dollar for that. And that's where
I have a real problem with how we lead up
to any summer. Now, Like i'd I don't think anyone
knew that there was that there was a Test match,
and no one of the general public knew that there
was much of it, that there was the Test match

(53:50):
happening this time round. The Perth crowd, the Perth crowd
was awful. There is that stigma around and Justin Langer
getting punted, that's still around and I've got I've got
friends in Perth who will not go to the Test
match because of what they did to j l You
know that there is that stigma around. It still exists

(54:11):
in w A because he's a proud w A boy,
but a border Gavaska Trophy match, first first Test against
the second best nation in the world. You're packing that
stadium out and they couldn't half fill it. That's a
problem I'll see anyone else.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
The stealthy One Day International series that we played against Pakistan,
no one knew that was happening either, would.

Speaker 8 (54:36):
By program something so stupid.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
I don't this. This is exactly the point. This is
the point I'm making. It's exact craziness.

Speaker 8 (54:47):
We've got guys who were never, never a factor in
this Test side play one day cricket. If they were,
if they were genuine contenders for that opening spot, they're
playing fifty. Oh it gets back start now. But no, no, no, no,
we we've got limited over specialists. You know, you tell
me the last guy in our one day squad that

(55:10):
batted for fifty overs to be the last guy, probably
Smith Smith, but I don't think he would have battered
for fifty. He wouldn't have opened.

Speaker 6 (55:20):
I don't know Warner was opening, so he could have
come close.

Speaker 8 (55:23):
Maybe, but but seriously, fifty overs is a long time. Yeah, well,
if I don't get it.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
Back in the goal. In my mind, golden era of
our one day in the national sides that was very
by and large the same side. You know, Langer didn't
come across, but Gilly opened the batting with Hatos, you
had Pawning at three, you had Clark and Husty in
the middle. There Simon's was there about, who was also
a Test regular. Then our bowlers were. You know, you

(55:55):
might get Bracken coming in, who was a bit of
a one day specialist. But and then you'd have a
whole obviously worn and retired. But the fin largely had.
Binger and McGrath were your other guys there that you know,
fast bowlers tend to come in and out a little
bit more regularly to arrest them and get reps into
some other guys.

Speaker 6 (56:12):
But there was a lot of crossover, especially at the
top of the order.

Speaker 8 (56:16):
Exactly right, we are doing ourselves a disservice and we're
doing a young cricket as a disservice.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
If we keep this crap up, it is crap and
we will struggle.

Speaker 8 (56:32):
And I'm calling it now the next ten years, next
five to ten years of Australian cricket. As cricket fans
and as cricket tragics of Australia, we're going to have
to get very used to losing, and we're gonna have
to get very used to losing at home because we
are not setting ourselves up as well as well. There's

(56:53):
no Batty, there's no one you.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
Know Smith in their prime paper It up a lot
lot of cracks. Yes, when we were like if Warner
and Smith failed, we scored n Larva.

Speaker 8 (57:06):
Shane's eighteen months of brilliants papered over batting cracks because
him and Smith were they were the guys right now now,
I don't feel comfortable until Travis Head gets still.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Honestly, look, I was like, I was, like, you know,
I watched Smudge back through the One day series, everyone saying, Oh,
he's back, he's back, he's back, he's back. He's still
he doesn't look comfortable, and he never looked comfortable in
that one day To me, he's got to accept the

(57:44):
fact that he's not coming back. I don't think he's
ever going to reach those heights again. I think, but what.

Speaker 7 (57:50):
Heights they were, I mean evenuld be just plateaus. I mean,
it's still like ninety five percent better than everybody else.
I've personally thin. Just on a bit of a side
note here, one of the reasons why the batting isn't
coming through, and I've held this opinion for a while,
is that is a directive somewhere gone out is that

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we need to make wickets a little bit spicy because
boling is our strength, and we want to introduce batter
is to really difficult conditions so that they get used
to playing in places like England.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
I think that's crap. We've got.

Speaker 7 (58:29):
What we've got away from is each individual state and
each individual center having its own characteristics, and the batsmen
who come through in those systems learn to play according
to those characteristics. Now, if you're a first class batsman,
you don't know what you're going to get when you
turn up at at the seg or at the Junction Oval,

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other than they're probably going to be either roads or
really green.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
You'll get the practice wickets at the back. That's what
you'll get.

Speaker 7 (59:00):
So we haven't done ourselves any favors. I totally concur
of everything that Towny's say. It totally concur with it all.
We've done ourselves no favors over a long period of time.
Who was the last bats and who made one thousand
shield runs?

Speaker 2 (59:15):
Can you tell me who that was at Bencroft? Yeah?
And then Wade?

Speaker 1 (59:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (59:22):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (59:22):
Once upon a time you would have multiple players scoring
anywhere from seven hundred to twelve hundred runs in a
season and averaging sixty seventy eighty.

Speaker 8 (59:33):
But to add to that, we've reduced the amount of
Sheffield Hill games. We now play, Yeah, because of programming. Yeah,
so what hope does that give. I have a fundamental
issue with Creede Australia and this is and it's been
a few years now, with their direction and where they're heading.

(59:54):
It all seems to be player driven. It seems to
be the boys club that currently exists is driving a
lot of this crap.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Think I'm one of those sporting organizations in the world.

Speaker 8 (01:00:03):
I don't think they're listening far too much to their
player group and it's and it's hurting them, and it's
shown and it's showing. And you've only got to look
at the cam Bancroft situation to understand that, because that
bloke's papers were stamped the minute that Seeing Sandpaper Gate
came out. He was stamped forever. He was gone because

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there's no road back for him when you've got blokes
still in the team like Smith likes Dark, like haser
Wood who don't like him, Well, they don't like him
because he told the truth exactly so, and I'm a
proud News New South Welshman like but he told the
truth and it's it's cost him his baggy green Get

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baggy green back.

Speaker 7 (01:00:49):
Well, without digressing too much. Anybody who knows anything about
cricket and thinks that the bowlers didn't know what was
going on with that ball, I've got I've got a
creed to save a really nice part of Sydney. You've
got the best views, and I'll do it for you
really really cheap. Okay, I am, I'm sincere, my hand
on my heart. I own that bridge. I'm telling you

(01:01:13):
I own that bridge. Come to me and I'll do
you a deal, because if you're going to believe that
about the ball, you would certainly believe that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
But yeah, I agres. But let's let's pivot a little
bit to the game. We'll have a bit more of
opinion piece because I've got some other things I like
to talk about. But let's actually talk about the game itself,
not to drag the mood down a little bit. Let's
talk some positives. I thought the bowling from both sides
was excellent those day. Was just something we were a

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little underdone as a bowling unit in the second eings
when it's starting to flatten out. But there were a
lot of times we boled a lot of good balls
that were just you know, a top edge that would
go over the slips or it would just go over
cover or so many players and misses like I feel
lucky to get one hundred and fifty.

Speaker 6 (01:02:04):
I'm talking in the second thing as well.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
When India really had their way, I thought we bolt
a lot of good balls that just missed the edge
or and things like that. So I think.

Speaker 6 (01:02:11):
Overall our bowling unit were phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Our bowling in the first innings was brilliant. It was
all it was straight Stark. It was the best start
that I've seen Stark have to I agree with you,
it was he was full enough to extract swing without
overpitching and going before he barely put a ball wrong
obviously that first one that went down the leag side
of his paces. He attacked the starts, he was getting it.

(01:02:37):
Stark was fantastic. I thought he was the pick of
the bowler. He's probably the god that you would say,
and being that they were all fresh, because that's what
that's what our programming allowed for. But they were all fresh.
He's the guy that you want fresh.

Speaker 8 (01:02:53):
He's he is the fresh the guy that can just
produce that but being being a fresh body, so for him,
that's probably the best way to go about it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
I thought we bowled really well, full straight.

Speaker 8 (01:03:07):
With a plan, with a plan, and if you look
at Joswall's wagon will in the second innings you found
exactly where we fell over in our bowling.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
In the second innings.

Speaker 8 (01:03:18):
It was like we learned our lesson too early in
the first we didn't quite carry it through to the second.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
YEF.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
I think with Joys weall as well. One thing that
really because I watched that dismissed and I thought, if
he's going to play like this, we're going to find
him out because he can't drive on the up like
in Australia, it won't happen. He'll one night's sleep, obviously,
because we didn't bat long enough to make him wait
too much longer. One night's sleep. He's come out and
he put away that front foot drive for the first

(01:03:45):
what three hours of his nay everything he learned to
leave the ball in Australia, and that shot where he's
like in India at that length when I'm going to
drive on the up turned into a cut or a
backfoot punch as opposed to full blood of trying to
drive and getting caught in the gully. What is he
twenty one night freak one night it took him to

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work out.

Speaker 7 (01:04:07):
That's probably when I was looking at him season. I've
watched a fair bit of him. He is like something else.
Him and Harry Brook again dominate the cricket world. I
personally think in the next couple of years from a
batting point of I think this guy.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
I think this guy is about five run side than
Harry Brook. Harry is quality, but I think Harry Brooke.
I don't know how much retooling Harry Brook can do
with his game. I think if the going gets tough
for Harry Brook, and it could be wrong because Harry
Brook has been good enough, he hasn't needed.

Speaker 7 (01:04:39):
To do that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
But I think if if Harry Brook came out into
a situation where Plan A didn't work, how long would
it take him to work out Plan B? And I
think that's a big I'm utterly mesmerized by a guy
like Statue came out and did it, but it took
him four or three games to put away the cover
drive and he'd been playing Test cricket for nearly decade

(01:05:00):
at that point. Yeah, this is the first innings in Australia.

Speaker 7 (01:05:04):
Hasn't played twenty Test matches yet he wouldn't have had
a net session.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
I wouldn't have imagined between his two battings like kids
are freak and he just and he came and figured
it out, like straight away pulled away that big drive
that would normally would have netted him a million runs
everywhere else he's play.

Speaker 7 (01:05:19):
Oh that's always been the one thing that I thought
about him that when he come to Australia, that could
he's scores so many runs just slapping that ball through,
say extra cover to to point off the front foot off,
not half follied lang off, you know, hardish lengths and you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
Can't do that in Australia. And like you said, and
he bought it out in one day. But this is
a kid too.

Speaker 8 (01:05:42):
And let's go back to why our system's failing us,
and there's isn't This guy had scored millions of first
class runs like ridiculous, and he's not. I think I
think he played a first first class match when he
was fourteen years of age. India. Now have a thirteen
year old who's about to play his first first class

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match in India. But they are just these kids out.
They are trundling them out. They are getting them into
the to the the depths of hard cricket so very early.

Speaker 7 (01:06:18):
And it's very interesting too that you see all of
these names that emerge during every IPL season, have a
look at their first class records, betid that they're getting
into IPL and.

Speaker 6 (01:06:29):
Playing the devil's advocate a little bit here.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
How many Ricky Ponting's, how many Michael Clark's, how many
Greg Chapels are playing basketball or rugby league or AFL
or soccer. I think that's a big thing to remember
as well, that there's a lot of really talented natural
athletes that don't end up playing crick whereas India don't

(01:06:51):
have that problem. If you can walk, if you can
walk in a straight line and catch a ball, you're
going to end up paying cricket. Yeah. It is though,
is that Indians have always had billions of people. They've
always had billions of people. Yeah, and we've always punched
above our weight in every sport that we've gone it.

Speaker 8 (01:07:10):
We are a sporting nation. Well, I think we're seeing
the decline of us being a sporting nation and you know,
over the last probably five ten years, but we have
always and it's because and.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
The issue is making cricket appealing one hundred. So those
kids at seven, eight, nine tens are before they start
playing rugby league, before they start playing AFL, before they
start playing hockey or or whatever it might be, getting
them in the door. And the problem is you get
them in the door with twenty twenty cricket. Yeah, and
then we talk about this quite a lot here in

(01:07:46):
our local area. Nowhere plays multiple day cricket in our state. No,
really that you can test these the techniques. It's all about,
you know, MP shots and switch hits and finding the boundary,
you know, as rarely as you can, as quickly as
you can, very rarely.

Speaker 8 (01:08:06):
I'm not opposed to that at local cricket area, like
I'm not opposed to any of that. I think that's
a wonderful thing to get to get people engaged in
the game of cricket. But for kids that are serious,
for kids pathway, but for kids that are absolutely serious
about I want to wear that funny looking green hat
for as long as I possibly can because that's my dream.

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
We need to create something for those kids. There needs
to be a pathways to be a part. You're not
playing Sydney grade cricket before you're exposed to learning those
sort of techniques. And it's just as far as I
wear none of the rep cricket that you play as
a junior coming through all of your New South Wales
carnivals or Western carnivals or what they're all limited overs games.

(01:08:51):
So and I think that's the big thing is And once.

Speaker 7 (01:08:54):
Upon a time, limited is overs cricket. And I'm talking
in my lifetime, limited overs cricket was basically the preserve
of the old guys who.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
Couldn't handle being playing today cricket anymore.

Speaker 8 (01:09:04):
Well, you'll get you're going to get a situation, I
reckon in the next ten to twenty years where you're
going to have kids that are going to play test
cricket and they're going to go, I've.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
Never fielded for two days in a row before. It's
not much fun.

Speaker 8 (01:09:18):
It's got fun.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
Maybe not maybe not Test cricket, but I could certainly
see them making their first class in a.

Speaker 8 (01:09:23):
First class day. But when they're going, holy crap.

Speaker 6 (01:09:26):
So when do they have to stop and let us
have a bat?

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
Just some like thirty five year old you know, first
class cricket that's been there for a while going.

Speaker 8 (01:09:35):
Oh but Joe Wall freak. He is the next Indian
cricket rock star. We've had Tim Dulka, We've had Dony,
We've had Kolie.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
We now have Joswall Oh him Gill and part they're
going to make up the back. I have an incredible batting. Wow,
really and I want to give a bit of a
shower out to k or Ra Hall about to do
that too.

Speaker 6 (01:10:03):
He always seems to be the guy that stands up
when India really need.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
And he he's my favorite Indian player. Love him. And
then gets you know, he'll open in this test and
bat at six at the next and bat it three
the one after and we could keep and we could keep.
And then the minute that something goes wrong he is
out of the side. And he has had a pretty
poor runner form recently. But then he's parachuted back in again,
going oh yeah, you know he will drop for us
last time because you're back pretty rubbish at five or six?

(01:10:29):
Can you open the batting in Perth, Australia, in Australia,
job for us?

Speaker 8 (01:10:34):
And then and he does like he does a job
because that's what's required of him and he just goes.
He obviously loves playing for his country and he just
does a job. Do your job, you know, see out
the first or And here is my fundamental difference between

(01:10:55):
the two batting sides.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
India.

Speaker 8 (01:11:00):
While ever they scored fairly slowly, they were still looking
for runs. There was still that drop bang run. There
was still that I'm going to push this to cover
and see you you know, and push it in between
two fieldsmen get a run. There was intent to score
Australia in that first innings.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
They were bullied zero.

Speaker 8 (01:11:22):
They were bullied, but there was no intent. It wasn't okay,
well has got us on the back foot here, I'm
just going to drop and run to get off strike
because cricket one one guy's.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
Got my number. I want to get off fifty four.

Speaker 8 (01:11:40):
Do you eat fifty four balls for two? You've got
no intent. That shows to the opposition that you are
struggling and it's only a matter of time before you
nick off or you don't hit one that's got you
on the pads or whatever you do right. Intent to
score ossies if I've got any message for any of that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
Top five and play in the.

Speaker 8 (01:12:03):
V intent to score play in the V for the
first twenty thirty forty deliveries of your innings.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
How often would we.

Speaker 8 (01:12:12):
Just I want to see it on drive? For God's sake, Australia,
I want to see an on drive. I haven't seen
one yet.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
How often did we over just over calculate the wider
the creased angle that Bomar and Saraj were playing with
and fall over ourselves and get hit on the pads
because we were looking to play it through midwicket exactly.

Speaker 7 (01:12:33):
That's technically poor because that the direction that ball's coming.
And you've got to realign yourself. I mean, God on
a hackers who's retiredment and I can sit here and
tell you exactly what you needed to do.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
I know what you need to do. Why don't you
know what you need to do?

Speaker 7 (01:12:52):
The first thing is you need to be realigning your
eyes not to be looking straight down the ground. I
guarantee you that when these batsmen are lining up, they're
looking straight down the ground towards the umpire borer comes
from a different angle. Okay, you need to be aligning
yourself with the angle he's coming from. And Steve Smith
was a classic example. He's just gone, I'm just going

(01:13:13):
to take my big classic step across the cruise and
watch what happens.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
Well Smith did fix that in the second innings, which
you would have liked him to get red right in
the first innings, but that big strid across he is
one of the better problems solved was the World Cricket.

Speaker 8 (01:13:26):
Smith Smith will work it out.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
He got an absolute He got a japper in the
second second deck. Yeah like it. Well, who's not nicking
that off?

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
Is?

Speaker 3 (01:13:38):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
Well? Is everyone one? Bar Steve Smith? Probably a left
handed That's ye, he's probably not nicking that one because
that's something wrong. But that's that was an absolute crackt
And I thought Smith looked assured. Probably he was seventeen
off sixty and probably needed to be. He's more intense,
but he looked.

Speaker 8 (01:13:55):
He's not timing the ball. He's not every if you
watch where the ball is hitting his bat, and there
was a few slow mows during that second innings, he's
not middling the ball, and he's playing far too far
in front of his front foot. He's not allowing the
ball to come because he's too eager to hit the ball,

(01:14:18):
which is getting his timing out, which is also meaning
that if there's any deviation in that ball. He's not
going to pick that up. So if Bomber is going
to pitch it just outside off and then he drags
one back and hits him on the pads, he's not
playing it underneath his eyes.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
Enough to be able to adjust.

Speaker 8 (01:14:37):
He's got two fundamental flaws at the moment and he
needs to work that out real quick.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
He's coming He's totally he's totally misaligned with the angle
that Boomer's coming out. Saraj is a different animal. Saraje
sometimes will get real close to the wickets. Okay, it
doesn't do it all the time. He tends to be
out on the middle of the crease most of the time,
but he's he's got a change up ball.

Speaker 7 (01:15:01):
He gets real close to the umpire man and that's
a dangerous ball because he's got I think he's like
from where he started, his improvement as an international bowlder
has been quite staggering.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
He's like right up there, he's going well and he's
doing he's feeling that Shammy Joe really well.

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
You know.

Speaker 8 (01:15:23):
The other point of Take two with the Aussie batting
is that there was no secret the Bomber was coming
here to hit the stumps if you get out to
him nicking off, I don't have.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
A problem with that.

Speaker 8 (01:15:35):
Just don't get bold, don't get bold, don't get caught
in LBW. You've got to bat user, as simple as that.
It's and there's probably people here in this podcast, well
you know, I'm sure you haven't been bold or will
be w in the loft, done plenty of times. Absolutely,
But I've never been goo enough to play for Australia either.

(01:15:57):
So you know, just very very simple stuff, you know,
and I think I think it can be overcome. I'm
not overly critical of the Australian players at the moment.
I know Marnus is having a bit of a rough time.
I've been critical of the fact that how they just
let Boomer walk all over us twice. They had to

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have been a game plan around. They would have watched
hours of tape what Boomer is going to do. As
you said, they know that Boomer is going to come
in and ball, he's hitting his hitting, his hitting poles
every ball.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
What was the plan like to get Boomer off his length?
Because as far as i'm a where, none of the
batsmen in Australia showed any anything that.

Speaker 8 (01:16:36):
The one big plan they should have had was rod take.
It should be on their little white ball in there
in their team room. Rotate strike because once you rod
tape from right hand to to left hander, that then
makes the bowler change.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
He has to change.

Speaker 8 (01:16:54):
So therefore, if you're doing that consistently, he can't settle.
He can't settle on a length, he can't set along
a line. Row take strike, drop and run. Boys, if
you have to, they've got blow. Especially at Perth, your
field is set rather deep because of how quick the
pitch is and how quick the ball's coming on. So

(01:17:15):
if you're dropping and running, there's no one getting it
getting to that ball before you're at the other end.

Speaker 7 (01:17:21):
Well, there was at least while I was watching that
painful display that Marnus put on on that first evening,
there was at least I've counted probably half a dozen
balls where I'm the batsman, I'm getting one easy. There's
one easy there when you're getting it on your hip
and you're just dropping it down. The ball's bouncing basically
on the pitch, so you know you've got keep getting it.

(01:17:45):
Your keeper's not getting that. The guy at midwicket. There's
no short leg mate, that's one. That's one every time.
Why aren't you doing that?

Speaker 9 (01:17:54):
And but but he's too is he going putting his
back up and going no run? It's like mate, run, run, yes, right, run, yes, run,
do something.

Speaker 7 (01:18:04):
And you're just sitting there and you're going, mate, there's
one that's coming with your name on it real soon
because you're allowing this to happen. You're just it's just
basic batting. You know, you rotate strike, you have to.
What do we talk about of a Saturday afternoon out
in the middle. This guy's by on, all right, you
know we'll rotate the strike. You break him.

Speaker 8 (01:18:27):
That's how you break him up. It's not a simple cricket.

Speaker 7 (01:18:31):
But look we've made it's too complicated with all these
theories and all the player driven nonsense.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
Get out and play some cricket. Get back to the basics.
And that's going.

Speaker 8 (01:18:43):
And this is back to the leadership of that group,
and it's and it and the stark reminder of how
poor the leadership of this group is. And I'm I've
not been a fan of Pat Cummings's captaincy. There's a
lot of people that are, and that's fine, but I've
never been a fan of his captaincy. And if there's

(01:19:05):
one thing that epitomizes that is the fact that the
leaders of that group should never ever have allowed Nathan
mcsweeny to face that first ball with those shadows, with
Bulbra absolutely steaming in to him in that second innings
and they hung him. That that was that was crucifixion

(01:19:29):
by stealth, and and it was awful, awful to watch.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
Should never have happened for.

Speaker 6 (01:19:34):
A guy that, as I said, tripped into opening the batting.

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
And k has been around long enough too.

Speaker 8 (01:19:42):
If Kawaju shows some leadership there and goes mate, it's
going to be a tough little period.

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
This.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
Let me take it. Let me take this first on.

Speaker 8 (01:19:51):
I took it the first round and there might have
been some agreement where you, I'll take a first innings
you take a second innings game. Situation change is that
and you and if you're a leader in that side,
you go mate, especially to take one for the team.

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
Here is the right hand, so he's bowling poles right.
You can negate that by like he's he's only going
to bowl outswing, which you can think that Kwaji will
take or his big moving ball is going away from
Kwaja outside edge. So the one that the real big
wicket taking one is that one that angling in pitches
six fifty six stump and then just turns right and

(01:20:29):
then just crashed into your pads and your court trapped
on a crease.

Speaker 6 (01:20:32):
And what that's negated by having a left hand.

Speaker 8 (01:20:34):
You're exactly right. And what cracked me even more was
the meat. You come out and you know as soon
as Pat Cummins comes out for night watchman, oh, this
is this is the leadership. This is captaincy, this is
you know, he's coming out to show the Indians that
you know the captains and.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
Then proceeds to go on Wave is bad at one
at like eight seconds and waves one and then Nixon
come on like don't and the meat.

Speaker 8 (01:20:57):
He's got to stop this Cummings love fist because it's
actually it's really costing. It's costing as a real the
real view of what this side is about.

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
And it's showing a lack of credibility.

Speaker 7 (01:21:12):
It shows a lack of credibility when I seen when
I seen that shot, after what he played five all
to six balls, we've got like two overs to go.

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
That's that is what are you pitching on, pitching on
off stump or straight up. That's a leave as a
night watchman outside off start. If you get bold because
it jags back half of foot as a number nine,
fair call. You go all right, well, yeah, yeah, if
you nick one or off stump, fair call. But you

(01:21:42):
don't want to be a night watchman that knicks off
because you've just dangled one two foot outside of stump. Please,
it's it's it's really getting to me, this media love
fest of him. Well, this is one of the thing
that I wanted to bring up as well. I think
I mentioned in now a little bit of a group chat,
is that the McDonald the McDonald Commins era front runners.

(01:22:04):
When the going is good and everyone's feeling happy and
everyone's enjoying life, you can feel the Australian cricket team humming.
They're a really hard freight training to stop. Once they
got that World Cup going, well, you know, Marsh's come
back from injury, head started hitting some runs. Everything started
to feel good. And as soon as I knew that
we were going to win the World Cup. As soon

(01:22:25):
as Maxwell we beat Afghanistan, when it was like, all right,
everything's falling a shit. But the team was on that
sort of bit of a role that they managed to.

Speaker 6 (01:22:35):
Dig themselves out of that level five.

Speaker 2 (01:22:37):
As soon as maxalt that double hundred hit, the six
went over the fans two hundreds up with one of
the games.

Speaker 6 (01:22:42):
So we're winning World Cup. No one's stopping us.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
Now we're feeling too good. But when things go wrong
this pat comings Andrew McDonald's side surrendered a two nil
Ashes lead, yep, and we couldn't get a result, any
result that was worthwhile for us for the next three tests.
Should we should have come home with the Ashes in here,
like we should have won that and put that and

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haven't won a series in two thousand and one to bed.
And that's the problem you get, as you said, this
team is way too player driven.

Speaker 8 (01:23:12):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
It's driven by players. What player is going to who's
is driven by players? If Manus is going to say, man, gods,
I'm cooked, you know, bring up bo Webster or bring
up such and such or you know, I'm done, Like
when you're having it run by players and everyone's you know,
we're backing our going to and Manus has been shit

(01:23:33):
for two years, eighteen months. If we're being rudely honest,
But there's there's none of this, Like we're only talking
about it now because he's battered for fifty balls and
scored four whatever it is too but then he backed
it up with a three or whatever it might have
been in the seconds. But he's been crap in both

(01:23:54):
One Day Internationals and Test cricket for a while. And
what is our back room stuff done about it? But
he bowls one three to five, bounces mate one three five,
Oh wow, that's a mate. And that is the other thing.
And he eats cheese toasting like two years.

Speaker 8 (01:24:12):
I want to see him score hundreds. I don't care
what he has on his cheese toasting. And whether you're
elects a cool down or not, I'm sure to see
him score runs.

Speaker 6 (01:24:19):
I'm sure he's a brilliant bloke.

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
He of all the guys in the Australian cricket team
that I reckon, it would be an absolute laugh to
hang out with Manus would be heavy gray. But I
don't give a shit about that. No, couldn't care less.
If he's like Shane warn it's one of the biggest
knob heads ever, alright, Like the amount of runnings that
he is, like I know some police officers that have
run into Shane Warn that the said they were if

(01:24:41):
it wasn't Shane Warn knowing that they were going to
get absolutely dragged from pill and a post about the
Australian cricket team being dealt with. They were throwing his
ars in the locker like he's such a prick when
he's out there. But I give a crap about that
because he took seven hundred and eight Test wickets and
he spun us to victory that many times. Steve War
apparently is one of the biggest assholes ever.

Speaker 6 (01:25:03):
Come on, I don't believe.

Speaker 2 (01:25:06):
He's the greatest to Shane, but like he's apparently as
like like Alan Borter, Captain grumpy, every pricking bloke to
play with, Don brab and prick of a blow. These
guys won cricket games. Yep. They were accountable. They were
account That's exactly the word. They were accountable.

Speaker 8 (01:25:25):
They weren't just accountable to themselves, but they were accountable
to the bigger picture.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
Steve War. This is why the Steve War and Shane
Warn don't get on. Because Shane Warn was bowling crapol
and we needed to win the last Test to secure
the Frank Warlare and Steve war said, Shane greatest leg
spinner that's ever played, Australian vice captain, made of mind,
that's been around for a decade or more. You're out,

(01:25:52):
You're out. We'll see your next test once you've got
some more the funksters.

Speaker 8 (01:25:56):
The Funkster's in.

Speaker 6 (01:25:57):
Once you've got some more reps in that Sholder will
catch you for the X Test.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
Can you?

Speaker 10 (01:26:01):
I just I just can't relationship disintegrated like I not
see with Cummens having it was for the best, It
was the best thing for the team, yep, and all
that that man focused on.

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
Cummens doesn't have that mentality. He doesn't.

Speaker 8 (01:26:15):
He doesn't have that team focus other than the nucleus
of those eight to nine boats who are his best mates,
Hummons of McDonald's, and that is it. Cummins of McDonald
backed the team to the hilt, to their own detriment.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
To their demise, to the complete Nuther demise. Because let's
be honest. As much as we love Marnus, he's a
great character. He shouldn't have played the last summer really
when you look at his like and there should have
been more conjecture over his spot for a little while
and he's.

Speaker 8 (01:26:47):
Gonna have He's gonna have a lot of And this
is my point, is that he probably shouldn't have. But
if he was batting in the load, if he was
batting in the early two thousands, he does it. He
doesn't get a crack because you've got bloke stocking on
the door.

Speaker 6 (01:27:04):
He'd be playing AFL. But just thing that Ricky Bond.

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
But as give you that basketball, that's off football. But
as it stands at.

Speaker 8 (01:27:13):
The moment, there's no one like You can't blame Martus
like Manus. Manus is not scoring runs at the moment,
and that's fair enough.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
But I think we have to back him.

Speaker 8 (01:27:25):
You have to back to anyone because there's no one
in the here, no one coming through the door downad.

Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
But how much pressure are these players under a consider
there is a dearth of batting talent coming through. And
even if there was, Captain Pat's got your back.

Speaker 8 (01:27:45):
That's right, and you're you're a great filler. You're making
a coffee every morning.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
You need a balance of job security and incentive to
keep performing. And at the moment, I think it is
way too skewed in the job security thing and that
because it's player driven. And we've said that from the
from the absolute. Once Langer was let go and come
and was made captain, we've said that. Look Manchester United
and Sir Alex Ferguson, Bill Belichi, THEI Belichick and Bill Belichick,

(01:28:14):
Greek Popovich and San Antonio Spurs. You know, you name
a great sport till Jackson balls that they were leaders,
they was it was their show yep, they were stars
that that ran with them. And didn't you know you
had your David Beckhams, you.

Speaker 8 (01:28:31):
Had your Jordan's, you had your brainy, you had you
know those those insanely you know, but probably probably in
the top echelon of athletes to ever play export.

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
If you messed up, they tore doors off injures. That
was how it works. You were held account that's right.

Speaker 8 (01:28:47):
But Michael Jordan was one of those people who help
people accountable. He would he would rip into Scottie Pippen
and go, you're not having a crack, You're not having
to go tonight. Pull your finger out and get back
out there and do something. I don't care if your
back hurts, I don't care if your leg hurts. Get
out there and help the team.

Speaker 2 (01:29:06):
I actually found it interesting.

Speaker 7 (01:29:08):
It was a press conference and we're talking about Josh
Hazelwood and they were talking to Josh Hazl and he
was talking about, you know, reflecting on the game and everything,
and it was that was pretty Yeah, you should ask
the batsman. That's a very very interesting thing coming from
a senior bowl or isn't very interesting? And that suggests
to me that there are clicks there was.

Speaker 8 (01:29:33):
There was not one person in any interview that Australia
had after that test match or during that testaments it
said we were good enough today. We need to be
better or that's all I wanted to hear is an
Australian cricket thing. We were not good enough today, we
had our pants pulled down.

Speaker 2 (01:29:52):
We need to be better. Instead I heard we were disappointed.
When we're going to go away, the group will refocus.
We'll come back better and stronger.

Speaker 6 (01:30:04):
India too good, ask to ship we need to be
better in.

Speaker 2 (01:30:08):
A week a week and you might see a bit
of a change. Well, they're just fad. There's going to
be more changes done to the team that just flogged
the other one than the team that just got flogged
because there will be no changes. They will play the
same same toll. So Rowick comes back in I would
imagine what Rowick gill and is Shammy back as well.

(01:30:30):
I don't know he's not back. He's back playing, but
he's not on tour.

Speaker 6 (01:30:34):
Yeah, I thought he was being flown out.

Speaker 1 (01:30:36):
Was he?

Speaker 2 (01:30:36):
Is that not the case?

Speaker 8 (01:30:39):
I haven't heard that yet. Robot's definitely in the country.

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
They were showing him. They were showing what they do
with them about six.

Speaker 8 (01:30:48):
Maint and do a job, and do a job.

Speaker 2 (01:30:51):
I don't think I think that I'll just do they
play Today's this test. That's that's I think they'll go.

Speaker 6 (01:30:58):
I'll go similar because it's a pink ball test.

Speaker 2 (01:31:00):
I'll go, Yeah, he doesn't get right, what's the start
of the Jay bad at six? The keeper who was
looking after things while Durell I think he'll he'll make
way for a row and everyone will shuffle down.

Speaker 3 (01:31:13):
You reckon.

Speaker 6 (01:31:14):
Yeah, I'll play.

Speaker 2 (01:31:18):
Keep his spot because they want to keep his batting.

Speaker 6 (01:31:20):
Yeah, And I just think we're the pick ball they're
not going to need.

Speaker 2 (01:31:22):
They're probably not going to need a spinner. If anything.
You may Dasia may play, but I think they picked
their best fields and doesn't get a run. I think
they went sunder because he takes the ball away.

Speaker 7 (01:31:37):
Test runs three hundred tests, wickeds and you can't get
a game.

Speaker 2 (01:31:41):
That's what about poor old rav Ash went on. Mean you.

Speaker 7 (01:31:45):
They keeps saying, oh, you know, we're by dropping him
because of his batting. The guy's got six tests hundreds,
he's sixty five. Now going to say he's not much
job in the field, but we didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:32:00):
Yeah, I was going to say, todays is you know
the thing is, can they loan him to us? Are
like that team is getting ready to transition. I mean
Rowen's nearly gone. COLI actually shout out to Coolie, who's
managed to get back on one hundred. He was good
enough to he looks supreme.

Speaker 6 (01:32:21):
The King was arrogance and was back Ash and Asia.

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
Those guys are all right and they're not they're not
worried about oh we need to play them every test
and we can say goodbye. They're just like, now, Sunda
is the best guy to go with. We're going to
the guy that's you know, arguably on track to chase downlad.
They didn't bring cool Deep with him. I mean I
rate that guy high. On Man and he can't even
get a game. It's eats insane how much they've got

(01:32:47):
coming through. And this is what I mean. You you
look at what.

Speaker 8 (01:32:54):
What our stocks are and I think we're going to
have to get used to losing for a good five ten,
maybe twenty years.

Speaker 2 (01:33:03):
Well I think, well maybe not. I think losing the
big series. I think we were struggling to win a
boarder Gavaska. But I think that we may have enough
talent there to beat up guys like, you know, like
the Kiwi's, like West Indies, like Pakistan, England could be
a bit hit and missed. I don't know we'll win
any more series.

Speaker 7 (01:33:19):
It could be a challenge because I'm I can't say there.
I basically think they're starting to turn a bit of
the corn.

Speaker 8 (01:33:24):
Well, I think the Kiwi's in South Africa are probably
those ones that are well.

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
I think the Keywis are certainly there. Like I mean,
you can't go over to the Indi you or beat
them at home and not not be on top of
the world. Yeah, I'm are thinking as we're talking the
next five to ten years, I can see financially being
something that the you know, those big Keyweed players may
play as much Test cricket as you might think. You're
probably right already.

Speaker 8 (01:33:47):
Yeah, they're probably after the bigger dollars elsewhere, and that's fair,
and they'll play those. There'll be those franchise T twenty
guns more than being available.

Speaker 2 (01:33:57):
But it worries me. It's a massive spirre got me worried.
I'm not I'm not worried at all about our bowlding.
I think our bowling will be well, maybe spinning, but
I think Rockeicellian.

Speaker 1 (01:34:07):
And and co.

Speaker 8 (01:34:09):
Will be.

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
A mass of Morrison.

Speaker 6 (01:34:15):
I love him Fergus O'Neill as well.

Speaker 2 (01:34:17):
For Fergus he needs to be bowling extra five k's
an hour faster. What about poor old Joe Richardson? Did
you see that he came back and I thought he
was done, but he came back and bowled later that afternoon,
so thank god he took her. He took two and
two and he's running through celebrating the second wicket. He's
high five someone and then immediately went and then walked

(01:34:38):
off with like looking like I've dislocated my shoulder. I
was like, you cannot be serious. This guy has just
taken two wickets with his first two balls, the game
has dislocated.

Speaker 6 (01:34:48):
But then I looked about an hour later and come.

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
Back his back. Thank god that that guy is the
most unluckiest cricketer. But he's another blake.

Speaker 8 (01:34:58):
You get him him, Boland, protect him, yeah, put him
in cotton ball until we need to play test.

Speaker 2 (01:35:05):
What happened the last time he played in Adelaide.

Speaker 6 (01:35:09):
Five and got dropped for Scott and Bold.

Speaker 8 (01:35:15):
That's just dogs are amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:35:18):
Jordan Buckingham from South Australia is the guy that I
reckon he would end.

Speaker 8 (01:35:22):
Up playing doggets turned a corner too young.

Speaker 2 (01:35:26):
Yeah, he's not so much young dog anymore though, That's
what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (01:35:29):
He's pushing third but he's but he seems like he's
in the prime of his bowling career too, so.

Speaker 7 (01:35:37):
I probably suggest we're saying we're probably seen the last
of mister Nea.

Speaker 2 (01:35:42):
Oh yeah, I can't see him two injuries, because Boland
will be the next guy up bottom. Boland and then Richardson.
He's fit and available. Joy has to be in. That
has to be I reckon.

Speaker 8 (01:35:59):
I reckon he's he's close to being one of the
best fast baller in the country. I love him absolutely
I've loved him, Yeah, for a long time. Anybody who
buys one forty five out Swinger's mate. I like that,
and I like that just seeds, like absolute seeds too.

(01:36:20):
Like it's not just about the pace.

Speaker 2 (01:36:22):
That's about the on the other side of things, out
batting is looking a bit. I like the looking Bick Sweeney.
I don't think he's destined to be a full time opener,
but if he can, you know, find his footing here,
he can maybe hold his spot out until Martus and
Smith makeway. I like the look at Polly Davies, but
he's not kicked on. After a strong season last season,
which seems to be that the big thing. You get

(01:36:44):
a real good shield season, everyone goes, wow, I look
at this kid, and then the next like Henry Hunt's
another one who's had a couple of down years. He
scored a couple of couple of he's got one hundred
the other day and followed up with a hunting a
duck or a not man in the second thing.

Speaker 7 (01:36:58):
So you always both think you need to give open
is probably a little bit more of leeway when they
do get a duck. Oh yeah, okay, if you've knocked
one hundred up in the first inning you probably face
had the wettest wicket, but the freshest bowl is I
think that's worth more credit to.

Speaker 2 (01:37:14):
You than the fact that you might have got a
good one in the second end.

Speaker 8 (01:37:17):
And look, and what's to say that we won't get
another wil Pekowski situation down the track to you know,
I think Cricket Australia probably to the detriment as well,
they probably invested a hell of a lot in that
blow to be the next to be the next guy.

Speaker 2 (01:37:34):
He was going to be. There was no doubt. You
watched him back and he had all the quality. But
just you know, the health comes first, and health comes first,
and that's but outside of those guys who were looking
at you're looking at maybe like a bo webster who's
nearly thirty hours well, so even he's not a swim chicken,

(01:37:55):
I'd be definitely taking him too. Tri Lanka by the way,
as well, even if it was just as a bos
with of spin, bowls of pace gives you a lot
of flexibility. You could bat.

Speaker 7 (01:38:06):
You could bat him at six and then you've got
two balls and him in the side, and you know
you can play.

Speaker 2 (01:38:12):
An extra spinner Curtis Patterson.

Speaker 7 (01:38:15):
Well, he got some runs the other day, but yeah,
he to me, he doesn't loop the player that he was.

Speaker 2 (01:38:20):
He had a bit after he got dropped. He gave
probably about three or four years where he was either
injured or just couldn't hit the ball off the square.

Speaker 7 (01:38:28):
To me, at times he looked like he'd forgotten how
to bat. He literally had forgotten how to bat.

Speaker 8 (01:38:33):
It was real.

Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
It was really funny because I saw it on you
because he's hit a ninety or couple of nineties and
then a sixty or something and then it starts and
it was like, why don't we get this guy to
come in about at three? And it's like, so clearly
you haven't followed Shield cricket because this guy was dropped
by New Sound.

Speaker 7 (01:38:49):
At one stage he was a new South Wales captain
and they dropped him as the captain.

Speaker 8 (01:38:53):
Yeah, but he's looked a good as his Shield season,
So it'd.

Speaker 2 (01:38:56):
Be interesting to see. I would love because he should
never have been dropped after he made the side. He
should have been over on that Ashes tour but didn't,
and I reckon he would have been unbelievable playing over
in England.

Speaker 6 (01:39:08):
I think he's just one of those guys that was.

Speaker 2 (01:39:10):
You know, had that tech soft hands like late late
you know, on the real Caine Williams and esque kind
of sort of way of going about things.

Speaker 6 (01:39:20):
But obviously we'll never know what happened because he got dropped.

Speaker 2 (01:39:23):
And then just and just went into the wilderness. Unfortunately
after that didn't not one of those guys that dealt
with adversity. Well, it just went and all fell apart.
It might be.

Speaker 8 (01:39:31):
Interesting after this test series as finished, boys, what our
thoughts will be on that Shri Lankan tour and who
may get a guernsey, because well we'll probably have a
few more shield matches to assess for that time. Definitely
we'll obviously have the aftermath and the fallout or maybe
the maybe we've gone on a run.

Speaker 2 (01:39:53):
Of three three tests, you know, or four tests and
we've won the rest. But I really want to see
he really will the four won it, because if we
four won it, I'm pretty sure in a four one
it in South Africa win the games that they're supposed
to win. India fallout of the World Test Championship, Vinyl
and South Africa will leap frog them. But we need
to need to do something here? What is the meat?

Speaker 8 (01:40:17):
Because the media have backed themselves into a corner here, right,
what is the media you do? If we get beat
and get beat convinced, they.

Speaker 2 (01:40:25):
Turn on us like cur dogs. But that's what they
of course they will. They'll turn They'll turn on do
you reckon? They'll turn on McDonald, Do you reckon? He'll
be the first because they'll turn on Labashamee. He will
be crucified for sure because at the moment he looks

(01:40:46):
like he's the no one's like Smith's untouchable, the guy
average like he's been the best since Bradmin. So he'll
probably get talked about is it time to hang it up?
But I don't think he'll be villified, for he's certainly
not going to get dropped. Kuwaj is the worry for me?
Kauwaja could be especially as a poor series.

Speaker 7 (01:41:05):
It hasn't been great for the last twelve months man,
So I mean it's he have we seen Peaklesy as well?

Speaker 6 (01:41:11):
Of course we've seen.

Speaker 8 (01:41:12):
Peoples four ye Peles is literally over. But he's he's
the worry, but again more.

Speaker 2 (01:41:20):
Of a worry.

Speaker 8 (01:41:21):
Who opens the bat?

Speaker 7 (01:41:24):
Can we actually see a situation. King got Marcus Harris
and Cameron Bancroft open in the batting for Australia in
a Test match anytime, So it will.

Speaker 8 (01:41:33):
Never ever happen in your lifetime, my lifetime with Hope
not you know, my grandfather's lifetime and he's ninety three.

Speaker 2 (01:41:43):
So I've just feeling so pessimistic at the moment.

Speaker 8 (01:41:47):
It's it's a worry and we've spoken enough about it,
but it's it will be very You need to be
an opener.

Speaker 6 (01:41:55):
You just need to be one of the six best
bats in the country. That's how we play it now.

Speaker 2 (01:41:58):
Boys than fifty years of Test cricket, be damn just
pick the six best blokes and figure it out if
if you're average thirty five in shield. One of the
most marketble changes to the way the Australian cricket e
the cru team does things was when Warner retired and

(01:42:19):
we had the whole best six bats in the country.
I was just like, no, no, everyone, everyone everywhere for
nearly one hundred and fifty years has said opening the
batting is different. You need to be a special breed
to open the batting. It's not as simple as pick
your six best bats. It's never been as simple as
pick your best six bats because it's a special job.

(01:42:41):
It's a specialized job. Open the batting. But when as
soon as your purpose is because you wanted to have
Marsh and Green in the side, it then the philosophy
change from picking players in the positions that they should
be in too.

Speaker 6 (01:42:53):
I just picked the six best, and we think the best.

Speaker 2 (01:42:56):
Six bats are Kauwaja Smith, Labshet, Green Head Marsh.

Speaker 8 (01:43:04):
He's here's an end of series prediction from myself. The
Daily Telegraph has on the back page and the Courier
mar probably has the same picture of a Ronald McDonald's
statue with a big red circle and a cross through it.

Speaker 6 (01:43:23):
That's trademark.

Speaker 2 (01:43:24):
I was going to say that maybe the old Ronal McDonald,
McDonald's mascot with the clown makeup. That's what I'm saying,
an actual yeah, Ronald McDonald, you know the statue that
would sit you know, at a at a macers, you
know anywhere. I reckon, You're almost right, but I reckon
it'd be a trademark property. So it'll be a picture
of Ronald McDonald with clown makeup, with clown yeah. Yeah,

(01:43:46):
like the Joker. Yeah, have Joker makeup superimposed on it
with a big, big circle and a red cross through it.
I am going to be hyper optimistic and I'm going
to talk of something around under miraculous comebacks and heroics
from Cummings and you know Captain Pat leads leads the

(01:44:08):
Aussies or something like that. Throw up. I'm living in that.
I'm living in that world. So right behind that as well,
I will have caught back I shot of rainbow and
a unicorn that's solar panels. The rest of the Australian
team will be like the ribbons dancing around them like

(01:44:30):
that's that's the I've got.

Speaker 7 (01:44:36):
I look.

Speaker 2 (01:44:38):
I think I think Glenn may have said it while
we're chatting. I think that Adelaide is what's obviously a
very key test because we tranced India Test one last
series and they came back full of steel one at
the MCG and that seper series up.

Speaker 6 (01:44:56):
We we historically play very very.

Speaker 2 (01:45:00):
Well in pink ball tests, so we need to come
out here. We needed to do a very good job
with the bowling, which we know we can do, and
our batters need to get some runs in and if
we have a really big like a week ago. We
are winning this four one now maybe three to two,
like everyone in trailers like, we're going to deal with

(01:45:20):
it's we're going to flop them. Yes, okay, we've got
absolutely beaten up around the years in this first test,
but we've gone we've just we've pivoted so far the
other way that it's making our head spin. We do
definitely need to come back and write the ship, and
I think a pink ball test, which we haven't lost
one yet, is a really good way to do that.
We know how to win pintball games, we know what's involved.

(01:45:43):
We know the last time we played Indi in a
pink ball game, we rolled them for thirty six. So
this is crucial, Oh that this this test is a
must win. We won't come there, we won't come back.
If we go down to nil, we're likely to be
what it could be.

Speaker 8 (01:45:59):
Anything because but if its not the Gabba Gabati that
if we go to nil, we're not going to come
back in two all with a drawer or three to it.

Speaker 6 (01:46:07):
If we go to nil down we'll get.

Speaker 2 (01:46:09):
We're gonna we're going three, four, maybe four down. But
if we come back and won all I reckon it's
then even money three Test Series Australia's but I don't.

Speaker 6 (01:46:22):
I don't think it's as much as it really hurt,
And it.

Speaker 2 (01:46:25):
Really hurt watching Australia get I think it's the lowest
our top four have ever scored in a Test match
in our history as a nation. There's been hasn't been
a lower contribution from our top four across two winnings.
So it hurts. And I understand the knee jerk and
the sky is falling and God were awful, But realistically speaking,

(01:46:46):
a week ago this team was good enough to beat
into your four to one. We're going in with the
same team, but we really need to stand up as
a batting unit and figure out a way to not
let Boomera kick our ass. And if we can nullify
Boom and get some runs off him and actually get
a result out Adelaide, I think we can turn it

(01:47:07):
all around.

Speaker 7 (01:47:07):
Not even that concerned about getting that many runs off him.
I'm happy for we need twelve overs for twenty runs man,
but I just don't want him being able to.

Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
We need we need to figure out how to score
runs off him that it doesn't necessarily need to go
over four or five, six and no, but we need
need to rotate him.

Speaker 8 (01:47:23):
And what we also need to do is we need
to see more overs out of those the rain as
the ready, those guys who are as good sundaes you
know on an Adelaide.

Speaker 6 (01:47:37):
Deck that with the people with a ball really spin.

Speaker 8 (01:47:42):
Look, we need to see more of them bowl because
I think if we see more of them bowl, we're
on our way to four hundred five hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:47:51):
Our bowling will win us the series. Give our batting
can just get it shipped together. Yeah, basically that sums
it up quite nicely. Mine will I think Mine's got
a real big part to play in the Test matches
to come. He he was desperately unlay. He bowled the
ball of the Test match.

Speaker 6 (01:48:08):
And it didn't never get a wicket.

Speaker 2 (01:48:10):
He went for four, It went for four buys.

Speaker 8 (01:48:12):
So I think he's got a he'll have a part
to play at some stage in the series and he
may even spin us the victory in one of those.
So you're right, our batting just needs to stand up.

Speaker 2 (01:48:24):
Do your job. Boys.

Speaker 8 (01:48:26):
That It's as simple as it is. You've got a job,
doing your job.

Speaker 2 (01:48:30):
I'm predicting three under the Australians with a drawer in
Sydney because it'll rain, probably we're going to another Yeah,
that's the plan. Now. On that note, thank you. It
was a long one, but we haven't been around for
a while, so we'll be back next week. Actually I
don't think we'll be back with a preview or with
a review of the test because there's a bit of
a break between her. But we'll be back when we're
talking to you with more cricket because it is the

(01:48:54):
season to be it's a season to be involved and
we've got border gave Skirt's almost the ashes.

Speaker 6 (01:49:00):
There's plenty of interest. Thank you very much for listening
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