Ep.106 A Life Less Ordinary (Throwback)

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Tonight's guest is Johnny, from Pennsylvania in the US, Johnny’s story begins in 1963 with a face at the window, and from that moment on, the visitors never really left. In this account spanning over five decades, Johnny recounts the night he saw an alien outside his childhood home, a terrifying abduction from a farmhouse in Ohio, and later memories recovered under hypnosis that suggest a lifetime of manipulation, schooling, and implanted commands. His son, too, became part of the phenomenon.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
You'll do away five seventeen. Do you want to report
a UFO hanging in? We don't want to report every
thirty one. Do you wish to report a UFO over hey,
we want to one of those areas thirty one? Do
you wish to find a report.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Of any kind of I wouldn't know what kind of
reports clouds.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Time areas thirty one me neither. There s one golf
if it was actually a U above us to pass us,
like thirty seconds ago, we were sending one top of
golf negative, okay, OFFI the UFO. Yeah, it's murder. Ten
nine o'clock. Yes, I'll passed over.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
God.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
I don't know what it was, but it's from at
least to three thousand feet above us. See, I passed
out over the thought of us. Ninety one one. You
just called both to be be four rest. They're after
staying the airplanes he is. I swear to God, calm

(01:04):
in on an unidentified object every liberty or call or
calm on an unidentified flying object.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Welcome to UFO Chronicles, a place where people share their
experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had an encounter,
I would like to be on the show, you can
email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com. Hello,

(01:50):
and welcome to the show everyone. Tonight's guest is Johnny
from Pennsylvania in the US, sharing a number of his
abduction experiences that started back in nineteen sixty three and
continued throughout his life. But first, if you enjoy the
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(02:11):
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Speaker 4 (02:25):
Very much appreciated. Now on with the show.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Welcome to the show, Johnny.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Thank you, Nick.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
It is wonderful to have you on today. Call in
from Pennsylvania. Yes, that's great. Now, Johnny, you're going to
be sharing your alien abduction experiences over the years, going
back to the nineteen sixty Would you be kind enough
to start at the very beginning for us, please, sir?

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Sure. The event that triggered my memory of nineteen sixty
three is really what started it. In nineteen sixty three.
My first event was I was about fifteen at that time.
That I remember. There may have been things before, and
I really am hard pressed to remember them period. But

(03:27):
in nineteen sixty three, I was, I think, in the fall,
and I was sleeping, and there are six of us
in our family, and my two youngest brothers were two
and three, and they were in their beds, and my
brother and I slept in a double bunk bed, and
he was up top and I was on the bottom.
And I saw these lights, and they were multicolor lights,

(03:50):
so though there was a strong green light to the effect,
and I thought, well, what is that? What is it?
I got out of bed, and I went to the
window and I pulled the curtain back, and here I'm
staring in the face of an alien and had a
green cast to it, although he wasn't green because of
the lights, and there were hedges or bushes outside, which

(04:13):
of course are green, but the light gave him a
hue of green. And there were right lights. And then
I don't remember much. And the next thing I do remember.
And I have to make clear that as I grew older,
I remembered the little bits and pieces here and there
when I thought about it, so that has accumulated over

(04:36):
the years. But as I was walking down the hall
back to my bedroom. I'm asking myself, what am I
doing out here in the hallway. Why am I walking
back into the house and down this hallway. Well, I
go to my bedroom and I lay down, and I
lay there for a little bit. I don't know why.
And then I get up and I go over and

(04:57):
talk to my mother. Father worked odd shifts, so he
he wouldn't appreciate if I woke him up. And so
I went over to my mother and I told her,
woke her and told her, you know what had happened.
And she said, oh, no, you had a bad dream.
I said, no, no, mom, something happened here. I said,

(05:18):
I don't understand it, and I explained it to her.
And the reason I remember it was nineteen sixty three
is because I'm insisting to her that we have to
call President Kennedy and let him know that they are here,
that this is going on. There are these entities that
are coming into our houses and doing things, and you know,

(05:41):
she just puts me off and puts me off, and
I go back to my room and eventually I go
to sleep and I start the next day. But as
a fifteen year old, there's no one to turn too.
This was a period of time when this was not
widely known. I don't even know if anybody knew about it.

(06:02):
Back then. There was no support, there was nothing to read,
there was nothing anywhere, So you know, it's very perplexing. Well,
now I'll jump to nineteen eighty two. Okay, I got
my career and I'm teaching in Ohio. This is in Hammonsville, Ohio,
and it's nineteen eighty two. It's April thirty first, going

(06:26):
to May first, sleeping in bed with my now ex wife,
and I hear this noise. And I had my son,
who I think he would have been about three years
old at the time. He was in his crib at
the base of the bed, and we had lived in

(06:49):
this big old farmhouse eighteen thirty five. It was built
what Hammonsville is named after. The Hammonds owned it. And
all the windows are old and you don't open them
because it's very hard to get him an opening closed.
And the one window I think I might have had
open a little bit on the one side next to
my wife. And anyhow, I hear this noise and I'm thinking,

(07:15):
you know, I hear dogs barking, and every once in
a while, I hear he yelp, and the next thing,
you know, it starts getting closer and closer, and I
hear dogs that are closer and closer, yelping and barking,
and I'm thinking, well, that's some deer, you know. They're
chasing the deer and the deer kicking them, and that's

(07:37):
causing them to yelp, you know, something like that. Then
this noise gets louder and it gets closer to the house.
I'm still laying in bed, you know, because I'm like,
you know, well, what is that, you know, And I'm thinking, oh,
it's a cold truck coming down the hill, because we
live very close to the road, you know, a good
i'd say, thousand feet from the road. And I'm thinking, well, okay,

(08:01):
maybe it's an airplane, maybe it's a helicopter. I'm going
through the gamut of all the noises that I can
think of, and this noise keeps getting closer and louder.
Finally it's I sense this thing is right overhead over
the building, and there's this deep, deep sound boom, and

(08:25):
it's going you could heel the energy. The sound was
creating waves in the air, and all of a sudden
that pauses, and then there's this intense scan like I

(08:49):
could feel it sweeping over my body. It was moving
up and down over my body. I could feel that.
And of course by now I'm thinking, and now this
is no other plane note truck. Now you know, all
that's gone. And then the intensity becomes even greater, and
I few it moves through my body into the mattress,

(09:13):
and I can feel the springs in the mantress are
like vibrating, and I feel and I sense that it's
penetrated completely through the floor down into the basement. Again
this is this is a three story building. It's an
old farmhouse, and in the basement there's coal. So I
would always leave the door open for fear of fires,

(09:34):
et cetera. And and smoke, you know, I would smell
it and wake up and get everybody out of the house.
That was like one of the fears that my wife
and then had with the child. So I always would
leave the door cracked open a little bit. And when
this intensity went so high, it hurt my ears so bad.
It was like somebody took a knife and stuck it

(09:56):
in my ear. That's how bad it hurt. The intensity
which just went right through the roof. And now I
knew why the dogs were barking, because it definitely had
to have hurt their rever definitely, you know, they can
hear better about something. And then after the intensity went
like that, it shut off, and I laid there and

(10:19):
I anticipated something in my mind. I was anticipating something,
and I looked at the door and I saw a
hand come around the door. Now this is the part
that really drives me crazy. This is the last conscious
thing I remember. I said to myself, here they come again.

(10:39):
Not what they owe? Is that? Who is that? What's
who's at my door? Here they come again. That's what
went through my mind. So then the next thing consciously
that I remember is that my wife is asking me
and I'm laying there. She goes, what was that? And

(11:03):
we see the lights the bedroom. There were two bedroom
windows that faced the road far away and the football
field where the school was. That's how close we were.
And I said, I don't know what that was, you know,
I say to her. She goes back to sleep. I
can't go to sleep, but I can't move. Then eventually

(11:27):
I can move, and I'm like going through the house
trying to see what was shattered or disturbed or some
evidence that this occurred, that something occurred, and of course
I cannot find anything. The chandelier wasn't swinging, nothing like that.
And I'm angry. I feel like I have been violated.

(11:49):
I feel like I've been you know, I don't know
what a woman feels like when she goes through a rape,
but that's thing that entered my mind, the concept, and
I'm very angry, and I have this internal struggle, and
it goes on for years. It just doesn't end that
day of wanting to tell someone, but part of me
is telling me I'm not supposed to tell anyone anything.

(12:13):
And so the next day I finally eventually go to sleep.
And the next day I'm totally exhausted, totally wore out,
but I go ahead and I go on to teach,
and I asked my students, without letting them know anything,
if anybody heard anything, and of course some of them
said they, you know, saw lights, and that they heard
some dogs barking and noises and no one. Girl up

(12:35):
the street said that she saw lights and they were
supposedly in the paper something about UFO sightings. And I
but I had to tell somebody. So I told one
of the science teachers who worked there with me, and
of course he just looked at me very oddly. But
I felt compelled to tell somebody so I could document

(12:59):
the fact that this actually happened on that date at
that time. And I told him, you won't understand this,
I said, but I feel compelled to tell at least someone,
And that's what I did. At that nineteen eighty two incident.
I number of years I went by and build a
new house, and we had moved away and we were

(13:20):
living at a different place, and my wife, she didn't
remember anything, but she had started working for USAir and anyhow,
they had the nights like where they would get together,
and that one event was they had a hypnotist there,
and she teaches me that I should get hypnotized someday

(13:43):
and find out about, you know, what had happened, because
I had read a little bit on it, and I
eventually even wrote to Bud Hopkins and a few other people,
and of course they all referred me to local people.
So after that event that we went to, I got
to thinking maybe I should do that, and I did,

(14:05):
and I met up with a man and in Pennsylvania,
and he put me under hypnosis. Now at the time,
I thought, I can't be hypnotized. You know, I'm one
of those people that probably can't be hypnotized. And you know,
it's you know, it's all a bunch of a larchy,
you know kind of thing, and you know, being very

(14:26):
skeptical about the whole thing. And when I went in there,
it took him a long time to get me to
the point where I would open up. And later through
the event, I realized why. Now, eventually he gets me
to start to talk about that night, and I do

(14:49):
talk about that night. And what happens is after I
they come in the room, they take me out of
the room and they take me up stairs through the roof,
and I'm on like this carrier. I don't know how
to explain it. It's like a it's like a transport

(15:10):
bed of some kind, and it's not a bed, it's
much more fragile. But I go up. We literally go
through the roof and we go up into the sky
to the UFO, and I'm in and out of consciousness.
During this time I black out at times. Apparently I
don't know why, but maybe it's just do overwhelming. Maybe

(15:32):
I'm screaming. I don't know anyhow I get we get
to the vehicle and the entrance, and this is really odd.
There's something about this that when we get to go
into the vehicle, it's real odd, it's real awkward. They
have to like manipulate me to get me into this vehicle.
And I really don't understand that a whole lot. But

(15:55):
when we were and then we were in there, and
eventually I'm taken input on the table and they do
their I don't know what you want to call it,
it an investigation of me to see, you know, what
has changed or what is going on. And they look
at my eyes, they look at my arms, they look

(16:18):
at my legs. It's really scary, okay. And so again
I'm in and out of consciousness during this. Eventually I
leave this vehicle and the same scenario. I'm manipulated in
this entrance area again to get out, and I don't

(16:41):
understand that if they can take us through the roof farmhouse,
how can why do they have to manipulate me? But
it's being done as I leave, and then I'm looking
out and it's a black sky, stars, you know, and
it's like five hundred thousand feet in the air, and

(17:03):
I see myself coming down to the ground. I'm being
taken down to the ground, and all of a sudden,
I'm standing in front of this alien and here's where
it sort of fits together. And he's taller, and he's
looking me in the face, in the eyes, and I
know him. I know I've seen him before, and he's

(17:30):
giving me hypnotic suggestions. Is the only way I can
describe this, telling me things that I'm going to do
for the rest of my life. In other words, he
is setting the stage for what I'm supposed to do,
and he is putting the suggestion at the core of

(17:53):
who I am. I respond, and I remember this going
oh oh, oh oh. In other words, he went down
to the deepest part of my consciousness and left these
powerful suggestions there. That's that's what I experienced. And then

(18:16):
the next thing you know, I'm in my bed. Okay,
apparently I blocked out again. I'm in my bed and
I'm looking but I can't move, and they take my son,
who's three years old at the time, out of his crib.
They take him away, and I am crying because I

(18:41):
am helpless. I cannot do anything. I cannot do. I
can't do anything to help them, and under hypnosis in
his office, I'm crying. Tears are running down my face.
When the session is over, I have tears over my face,
and of course, you know, it's very disturbing. And they

(19:04):
eventually bring him back and the next scene shifts where
the vehicle moves away. I can see the lights spinning
and flashing and there are multi colored lights at this point,
and they're moving away, and my wife wakes up enough.
She doesn't move, but she asked me what was that?
What was that? And I told her, I don't know.

(19:27):
I don't know what that was. Consciously, now we're both conscious.
She goes to sleep. I can't go to sleep. I
just couldn't do that at that point. So that's the
gist of what happened in those two events. Later on,
my son he has experiences when we at the new

(19:50):
house where we moved. And then I go through an
ass the divorce with my wife in ninety three, and
in eighteen ninety one y two, I end up with
my son in Ohio, which is unheard of. Anyhow, make
a long story short, we progress to today and I

(20:12):
don't know how to how I should tell this nick.
But through the years, things have filled it up and
come to me. And of course I'm telling you every
detail about what happened, But I have this feelings and
senses about what happened. Going back as a child, I

(20:33):
remember seeing in my mind seeing the earth from Afar.
I remember seeing these screens that I was shown by
the Aliens that had like three red marks flashing like
red marks on the globe, the Middle East, South America.

(20:56):
It's alarming, it's alarming, it's like warnings for us. It's
like an education center, so to speak. I have visions
of people hanging on the walls inside the vehicle like
we're meat were stuck there on the walls, and the

(21:18):
people were crying and screaming, and there's nothing I can
say or do to help them. Because I've been through this,
I knew what to expect. But these people who were
with me on that vehicle, they did not know that
was their first time. Maybe so there are little snapshots
that have come percolated through the years. And I also

(21:44):
think that when I lived in Ohio, that there was
not a one time event. That there was another interaction
and it was of a sexual nature with an alien
and the collection of sperm and enticement that happened one night.
These these events are not dream like, and they happen

(22:06):
at night. Then we'll fast forward to twenty twenty. I'm
living back in Pennsylvania. I'm teaching back in Pennsylvania, and
I've taught here for over seventeen years, and then I'm retired.
And here I start to speak out at a local
UFO conference and I spoke like three times the very

(22:27):
small groups of people about what I experienced. And then
one night it happened in March of twenty twenty. Here
I had this occurrence where I wake up and I'm
just frozen with fear, just frozen with fear, and I

(22:50):
have to go get my wife out of the out
of the next room because she was sleeping in another
room that night. And I went my current wife and
I went to tell her, you know, come back to
the room with me, that I'm so upset. And I
told her, I said, I'm scared as hell, and I

(23:10):
had just my body was all I was shaking. I
was so frightened, so scared, so worked up, and I
had like goosebumps all over my body and I told
her that I had this feeling like I was in
this vehicle and I was moving taken somewhere, and we

(23:36):
were The light inside the vehicle was so bright it
was like daylight beyond daylight. And I'm in there with
these other people, and we're in a room. There's only
one entrance. It's like a circular room. There's only one
entrance that you can come in and out, and it's
almost like a feeling of all like you're going to

(23:59):
go to your local coffee shop or someplace like that.
You know you're gonna sit down with these people and
you're gonna talk to them, and these are other participants,
and we're in there, and as we're flying, I sensed
it part of this whatever this was moved off in
another direction, and I'm like, Okay, that's good. I'm glad

(24:21):
to see that I'm gone. And they part of this
entity goes away, but we're still in this vehicle. And
then the next thing you know that I'm I'm returned
to Earth. I'm returned back where I was taken. When
I get up the next day, there are these three
circles on the ground. And this also occurred in the

(24:44):
nineties at my mom's house, Mom and Dad's house. There
were three circles there too, and I took a picture
of that, and I have a one picture with my
dad standing there and there's a circle behind him and
it's not fungus or mold or whatever. I even took
it because I was in physics and computer science and

(25:05):
mathematics and earth and space science. I took a Guiger
counter to it, and I you know, there was no gun,
there was no radiation. I never did take a magnet
to it or you know, a compass or anything like that,
which I should have done. But that's the other part,
is like you don't know what you don't know what

(25:26):
you're doing, you're you're and you don't know enough to
investigate it like logically when you're part of the part
of the event that has happened. It just it's just
so overwhelming. And that leads, of course, me into warning
other people about this, is that people often say, oh, well,

(25:50):
you know, i'd get them to talk and tell me
where they're from and what makes their engines work. I
would like to know that, of course, but you don't.
You don't have that luxury. You're frightened out of your mind.
You are. You don't know what you're it's going to
go down or what's going to happen. They're in complete control.

(26:12):
There is no no locks, no security system on this
earth that would work to keep them up. And the
other part is I have this feeling like they can
come in and out of space time, that there's something
we don't understand or we don't have a grasp on,

(26:32):
that they can interrupt space time somehow, some fashion, because
it isn't like a flow of time. It's really really odd.
And again, you know, there's so much more to it,
but this, these things really did happen, and I actually

(26:53):
have pictures of the circles on the ground out the
back window of my house. And you know, I have
spoken to a small local group, but I thought by
opening this up that I would get the message out
as I'm getting older now, I'm going to be seventy
three here soon, and I want people to know this
actually happened, and I do think it runs in the family.

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Speaker 2 (28:28):
Let's go back to the beans. Are you able to
describe him to us?

Speaker 1 (28:32):
The one that I saw through the window was definitely
what you would recall today, as they referred to it
as a gray and it was not real tall because
my window I could and I'm fifteen now, you know,
I try to remember smaller. At that time, I could
look out my window and he was not even with me,

(28:53):
but maybe a little bit tinier. Now I'm six two
today and I probably had a good bit of eight
back at fifty. And most of my family members are tall.
My grandfather was six four, So I wouldn't say we
were right eye, but we were pretty close. And that
that is the most disturbing part, is because I realized

(29:13):
what I was seeing and then I lost it. In
other words, I was taken over by looking into his eyes,
into those big almond eyes like and that's the occurrence.
Most of the time. They're like beside you, behind you,
around you, or if they do have you on a table,

(29:34):
there's these lights in your face or instruments in your face,
and you can't see them as well. And I also
wore glasses that affected things too. Now close I could
see things even without eyeglasses, but far away it was
real it would be much more difficult to image things,
you know, and you also have this sense that they're there,

(29:55):
that they're around you, that you know is very heavy.
But as far as seeing others. I don't know whether
to interject this or not. But later on after the
nineteen eighty two event, we were going to go up
for Easter time to see my parents and my wife,

(30:15):
Max wife and my son. She was getting him ready
and I was outside and I got to pull the
car out and had it sitting there out of the
like there's a lean to you know. It wasn't a
real garage. And I pulled the car out and I
had it ready, and I was just killing some time,
and I went over to the railing and where there

(30:38):
was a road that ran down to the main road,
there was a stone road and because it's a farm,
and alongside this split fence railing was this old shallow
gully like it ran up behind where the barn and
all that used to be into the backfield. And I

(30:59):
look over there and I see what we would call
bigfoot today, only it wasn't. They're not as it did.
They didn't appear as massive as the ones that they
depict out west. They were a little more thinner, but
there was about five or six of them, and they

(31:19):
were like strategically placed. They were two up on the
one side of the gully, and they were like two
on this side and one in the front, and then
there was a larger adult male and a female carrying
a smaller one in her arms. Now I walk up.

(31:41):
I was standing at the rial, real quiet, and they're
walking on this leaf trodden gully region and they're below me,
and I'm looking down at them, and then he looks
up at me, and all of a sudden, I turn
around and walk away. And now to this day, i'd
not understand that. Why would I just walk away? But

(32:05):
that's what happened, and I do remember seeing it, and
it is unbelievable in my mind that I saw that.
And the only other correlation that I have with that
is one time we used to work in the field
out back and my wife and I would grow pumpkins
and faris vegetables and not because we were school teachers

(32:28):
and I was school teachers and didn't make a whole
lot of money, and we were trying to grow some
of them, some crops, and that along with the people
who lived there that shared the other part of the
farmhouse with us, and we left our son up in
the field and we came down to the house and
neither one of us could explain why we did that.

(32:49):
That was really odd. And by the time we realized
that neither one of us had brought my son back down,
it had been twenty minutes or more, and we were
like aghast, and we were just you know, we hurried
up and ran up into the garden to get him.

(33:10):
But it was like, you know, we were really good parents.
We were in fact, you know, we were like always
looking after him and you know, making sure that everything
and for something like that to happen, it was like
way at normal too. We could we couldn't explain it,
neither one of us, so as far as seeing what
they look like. And of course when I came back

(33:32):
down to Earth in nineteen eighty two and I was
stood in front of that the alien there that was
a gray also owning, very tall, very tall one. And
that's that's about the only ones that I've had in
pounds with that I remember.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
It definitely does seem to be a connection, especially with
these bigfoots as well bigfoots and lights UFO sightings. You know,
a lot of people just believe that these harmonids are
just walking around physical being walking around the woods and stuff.
To a degree, it's probably right, but there was definitely
connection with all this. I mean, it's the same with UFOs.

(34:07):
I don't believe that they're all nuts and bolts. As
a science. We just simply don't understand about it.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
I cannot explain it either, because there's no way. I
don't even know if I knew about bigfoot when that occurred.
You know what I'm saying. It was like that was
back in nineteen eighty two, and I don't know if
I have ever even read anything about it. But they
were war thinner. They weren't this massive, you know. Of
course they were down lower in the colleague, so they
could have been bigger because I never went down in there.

(34:35):
Was always afraid of the snakes or something down in there,
you know. But they were walking on these leaves right
up through there, so you know, they fallings from the
branches and stuff. I cannot explain it.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
You know, I've spoke to many people which have had
duction experiences and also they've encountered bigfoots and sasquatches, and
that Now, when you saw this gray under aggression, when
you were coll seeing this gray in nineteen eighty two, yes,
you said you knew him, so that would obviously implies
that you've had dealings with this one beforehand.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Right, there must have been There must be multiple Now
I'm not saying like every week or something, but there
must have been multiple events because it hadn't ridden rose
to a level of my consciousness at night. In other words,
I wasn't awakening consciously before the event occurred. I think

(35:28):
that's how they get away with this sometimes. And I
also have this feeling like being schooled, like I was
shown things and told things when I was going through
that difficult period before I got hypnotized. It kept it
bothered me more and more as time went on, and
that's why my wife suggested I should do this, and

(35:51):
I started keeping a diary. That's what was suggested to
me by the regression, and I started writing you like
my dreams or whatever that was occurring, I wrote down. Now,
in the divorce, I lost the book. They took the book.
That's how it goes. But I remember all this stuff,
you know, And that's the big thing is like someone

(36:15):
said the here, you remember a lot, and I said, yeah,
I do, I said, but there's a not a lot.
I don't remember that. Subconsciously, it's there, but I can't
pull it forward. And I know if I went under
a regression when I back to when I was younger,
there would be a lot there. I think I beguely remember,

(36:35):
like walking to this vehicle that night. I beguely remember
that that has bubbled up. But I don't remember much
more than that, you.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
Know, because there'd be a lot of people out there
now listen to this show and they may have had
an experience, but they simply just don't recollect it. You
know that that memory is completely hidden from them. You know,
they might have had an odd experience and they just thought, oh,
that was weird and then just carried on with a life.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
That's that's right, and then nonely that. But even after
that event occurred, what what research could I do or
anybody do now? I know today they say I watched
on TV here they said that they have like UV
that the fingerprints and things that would have been amazing.
That would have been you know, I think that would

(37:21):
have been probably showed some things because like I said,
the hand came around the door, and I'm not saying
who is that? What is that? Who is that? You know?
The neighbors, you know, nothing like that. It's here they
come again. If that isn't telling, I don't know what
what would be. I mean, that's what I keep going

(37:41):
back to because what I remember is what I remember,
and it happened that I'm sure, And that's why all
this russion brings forth is more information it happened, for sure.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Have you considered rekindling more sessions.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
Of aggression going back to when I was younger. I
think I could handle now because I'm near the you know,
I'm older now in my life and I think I
can handle that. But at the time I still had
my career. I was only about halfway through my career,
and I was leary of you know, being labeled or

(38:21):
whatever at that time. And I think that's another reason
why a lot of people don't come forward, is because
it's like, did this really happen? You know? And you
tell yourself you know that it did. But then again
you have this like goub and here's just again this
internal conflict where I think, under the hypnotic suggestion from them,

(38:44):
I'm not supposed to tell no one, no one, I'm
not supposed to say anything. And so the rebel with
me is saying, I got it, tell but I but
I couldn't at the time. And now that I'm retired
and you know, it's there's things are not as important.
I have to get this out. It is imperative that

(39:05):
people know that our lives can be disrupted this way.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
They showed you, this is what you're going to be
doing in life. Was actually a career path.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
No, in fact, I don't remember what he said. That's
the parts that he was speaking hypnotically, like to my
deepest consciousness, and I'm literally responding with oh, and it
keeps getting deeper, oh oh oh. And while that's occurring,

(39:36):
it's not like someone telling you something. It's his suggestive
of the thing. And I have this feeling like you
know that I'm supposed to do these things, and then
subconsciously maybe I've done many of those things. Ever since
I was little, I have always been on the scientific
or mathematic or physics or chemistry or you know, I

(40:00):
just have been like a sponge on all this stuff.
I served in the Navy and they wanted me to
my first day in the Navy, I wanted to join
the Air Force, but my eyesight wasn't good enough. I
really wanted to fly, and when I couldn't, then I
went to the Navy. So I went to the recruiter
in the ninety day delay program. And when I went

(40:20):
in to have all my tests taken, you know, you
take your regular Army test and all that, and then
eventually you get into the Navy. You take a Navy test.
And I'm in a room with eighty people and I
scored the highest, and they call my name, and I think, well,
what how did I screw up? What did I do wrong?
You know? And here I scored the highest. They want

(40:41):
me to go into the nuclear Navy, and they told
me it was for six years, and I said, this
is my first day. I said, you want me to
sign up for six years? And I think if some
recruiter would have helped me at that time, I probably
would have gone that path. But as it turns out,
I said, what do you got for four? And I
went into radar and electronics. In my high school, they

(41:01):
taught electronics and electricity at that time as very progressive.
We had a planetarium and an observatory at our high school,
and we you know, I took the Earth and space courses.
I think maybe there's some kind of action there. There
might be, you know, I can't put my finger on

(41:21):
it and tell you exactly. But I know my son
is a lot smarter than I am, and he just
is amazing. When he was eight years old, he was
doing machine languages on the Commodore sixty four. I talked
computer science, so and I didn't. I don't know if
you know anything about teaching your own kid is like

(41:42):
the hardest thing you can do. He was like a
sponge and just picked up stuff from whatever you know
for me, from watching et cetera. So I think there's
something here. How much truth you know to the fact
that I'm guided or forced in that direction, I don't know,
and I don't know how. I don't know how to
respond to that.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
We were talking briefly before the show about generations. Yeah,
that usually falls into evolving of a family members. Now,
when you regressed and you were you visually saw your
son then being taken. Of course, you know, it's very
difficult to seeing a family member being taken like that.
Has as your son had other experiences on top of

(42:24):
what you recall.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
Well, when he was when he was a little older,
and I'd say that you here, he went to Kent
State with me and took the Kent State student program
when when I was going to Kent State for computer science,
and it's just me and him ninety in the nineties,
ninety ninety ninety ninety two in that era, so he

(42:47):
would have been twelve, twelver thirteen. He told me that
he came to me and told me that these little
men came to him in the night and he didn't
have any rest until he made me go in the
car and we drove down to the bottom of the
hill and he showed me where they were and he

(43:11):
said he they took him and took him into a vehicle,
and it bothered him so much until I went down
there and did that. And then one other time he
told me that he was like lake for the school
bus and he started crossing this field and to get

(43:31):
to the school bus. And he says it wasn't normal.
Something happened and he was like there immediately, and he
said he doesn't remember crossing that field properly. So there
have been those occasions. Now he's older now, and he's

(43:53):
about the same age now that I was when this
happened to me in eighty two. So you know, I've
been leary about, you know, anything that happens for him,
But he hasn't told me anything. I think he would
if if he if something happened, I think he would.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
You know, it's not uncommon for people to have these experiences,
and there'd be massive gaps, Yeah, in between the actual occasions,
you know.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
Well, the ones that you consciously remember for sure, they
had there been you you know, well in eighty two
and here it was twenty twenty, and that's almost forty years.
And why would they still be interested in me? You know,
I have no idea about that, you know, but but

(44:42):
there must be something, and it's you.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
Know, it is very possible that in between those years,
you know, things could have happened. You know, they could
have paid you plenty of visits. But again you just
simply just don't recall it.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
The only other thing that I've had in my life
that happened, Nick, is my father died in two thousand
and then one. And my dad always my mom and
dad always said that that he couldn't he couldn't dream.
My dad couldn't dream, that he didn't remember his dreams. Now,
I often wondered whether he had experienced something and he

(45:15):
just wouldn't He wouldn't let himself remember you know what
I mean. He just but he said he never dreamt,
and I find that hard, very hard to believe. But
like I said, I have seen my own father in
a vehicle like hanging on the wall with these with

(45:37):
other people, and of course he's in agony over being
in that vehicle. I see that, and I you know,
I'm perplexed by that all that. Anyhow, in two thousand
and one, my father died. He was seventy six. And
the day he died, I was we had just celebrating

(45:59):
his birthday previously. We had a big party for him
and that, and anyhow, I was going to go up
and see him and him and Mom, who I often did.
I kept tabs on him quite a bit. I'm the oldest,
and I would go up there and see them and
help them and you know whatever. I'd take my mom's
shop and or whatever get away from Dad for a while,

(46:20):
and he would always do some work that he couldn't do.
I wouldn't come around. So anyhow, make a long story short,
I decide I'm not going to go up there that
day because my brothers were teasing me. I'm always up there,
and so I thought, okay, well, maybe I'm spending too
much time with him, and I won't go up right

(46:40):
away today and I had to mow my lawn and
I just give him the SAT test at the high school.
And so it was around the no niche and when
it was done, and I had to make a left
to go to see them or a right mow my lawn.
I decided I'd make a right and mow my lawn.
So I come home and I mowing my and I'm
out on the yard. I'm mowing and I'm on the

(47:03):
back and I'm getting close to being done, and i
have these pains in my chest and I'm like, oh
my god, you know, am I having a heart attack. Well,
I had just recently gone to the hospital to see
a teacher who was a physics teacher who had a
heart attack while he was on a lawnmower. And so

(47:23):
I'm thinking, no, this can't be. This can't be, you know.
And I thought, I'm not stressed, this is not normal.
And so I stopped the tractor because the pains are
so great. I catch my breath after a little bit,
and of course that European ethic comes through again, and
I only got a little bit more to mo and

(47:44):
I'm going to finish that. And so I continue knowing,
and sure enough, a little bit later, it hits me again.
Now I'm really worried because I'm thinking, now the first time,
well you know, but this now the second time, and
it stopped me. I still sat on the tractor. I

(48:08):
was afraid to move, and it went away. And of course,
like I said, this European ethic, there was just a
little bit more to do. I talked myself and to
finish it, and I said, if I finish this, I'm
going to go in and sit down. I'm gonna get
something to drink and go out back and sit down
under the trees. So I finish, I go out back,
I go sit down under the trees. I get a

(48:30):
drink as i'm going there. After I put the tractor away,
my wife pulls in the driveway and she has a
honey to do list, and I told her, I said,
I don't think you understand, but I'm going to go
up there and sit down. And I explained it to
her again that you know, I'm not feeling real good
and I'm going to go up back and take it easy.
So she accepts it. I go up back and go

(48:53):
sit under the trees, and I'm just looking to relax,
and it's a sunny, bright day, nice beautiful day, and
all of a sudd and I got this feeling that
there's someone behind me. And I'm thinking, oh, that's some
of the kids. They had paint guns and they were
shooting at each other in the woods. It's the scrubby,
brushy woods behind me, and I'm thinking, well, that's probably

(49:16):
what it is. So I get up and I look.
There's nobody there. So I sit back down again, and
I get this feeling again like somebody's behind me and
I and I don't see them. I don't hear anything,
you know that would indicate that there was anybody in
the woods behind me. But I had this overholme doing
because they were there was something or someone behind Then

(49:41):
the next thing you know, I'm turned and I'm facing
like toward the house, and the sun was in that direction,
but not directly. I'm not looking in directly into the sun,
and all of a sudden, this glow comes over me.
I don't know how to explain. It was like a euphoria,

(50:03):
a golden glow like and I'm sitting there and I'm
wondering what is this. And I had this feeling that
there was somebody in front of me, and there were
more than one in front of me, like two people.

(50:24):
And then I look over my shoulder, like and I
see all these people. But Nick, it's like looking through time,
a really odd feeling. I'm like, looking the further back,
I see somebody. They're less interested or they lived long ago,

(50:46):
and as they were closer to me, they were more
interested and more more recent in time. But there were
all these people behind me in retrospect. Those are my
ancestors or friends or you know, relatives of some kind.
And I turned back in my now I know my

(51:08):
dad was saying to me, everything's going to be great.
Everything's going to be all right, everything's going to be
work out for you. Everything's going to be unique and wonderful.
And I had the sense that his brother was there. Now.
His brother died before he did, and he was younger.

(51:30):
He had tragic accident at work, and they were very close,
and there was a little more, but it basically it fades.
But I had this euphoria feeling and energy, oh my god,
tremendous amount of energy, and it just it gave me

(51:51):
this feeling like what we've been told about religion as hogwash,
that it's this is not how it is, This is
not how it's going to go down. There is a
hereafter and it's different than we can imagine. And when
it was all said and done, and is it faded away.

(52:13):
It gradually faded and then my wife calls to me.
You know, I'm still sitting there, and my wife calls
to me and she says, your brother is on the phone.
Come down. He wants to talk to you. So at
that time, I went down to the house to answer
the phone. I didn't have the cell phone or phone

(52:34):
with me whatever, And I went down there and here's
my brother on the phone and he tells me my
father just died. And of course that floored me, and
subsequently jumping to this now, you know, I told my
family members about this and they just look at me.
But at the time I didn't tell them. I didn't

(52:54):
think it would be right to tell them what I
had experienced. For some reason, I didn't feel, you know,
I didn't want any attention on me. And it is
an amazing thing. And I do not look at religion
and I do not look at reality. The way I
used to. And I really really wonder what consciousness is.

(53:20):
I'm really perplexed by that now. I think there's something
else here, and I just I can't I stop going
to church because I don't think it is the way
that our understanding is is correct. I don't think it
is correct anymore. So that is an experience too, That

(53:41):
was something. In fact, I'm supposed to speak with some
people about that here soon too. They call that an
sde of some simultaneous event, a death event, they call
it anyhow, those are the kinds of things that three
or four strange events that have happened in my life.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
One was certainly interesting, especially the connection between your father
and yourself. You know, it's a very rare event. As well.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
My mom said when her dad died, she had pains.
She told me that that when her dad died, she
knew something was wrong because she was having pains in
her chest. And subsequently she learned that her father died
at that time, so that could be her hereditary too.

(54:27):
And I don't know if that's good, bad, or ugly,
but there seems to be a connection or a thread
that runs through that too. It's really strange because you
know you're not prepared for anything like that. I as
I meant. I don't know if I mentioned it in
the article I sent you. But through the years I
have had many things happened that I can't explain. Like

(54:52):
an example, I had a dream where we had a
party at my house. This is in Ohio, and everybody
I had a good time, and everybody was leaving, but
I didn't see my dad and my brother and his
brother leave. And I eventually I saw my dad and
my mom leave in my dream, but my uncle, I
don't know where he went. And then I saw the

(55:14):
basement filling up with water, and I thought, where's this
water coming from? Now? My uncle, my dad and I
and my brothers helped build my house in Ohio. We
built and so pretty good connection with him. But make
a long story short, he three days later he's killed

(55:35):
in a tragic accident. And at his funeral and in tournament,
there are all these people and they're crying. There are
all these tears, And then I realized that that water
was these tears, that it was a premonition of his death,
and that happened like three days before he died. And

(55:56):
then later years later, I have him come to me
in a dream at the foot of my bed, and
he tells me to contact his wife, that I need
to contact his wife for him. Well, I wake up
from the dream to make it short, and I I
debate whether it to go about doing that, and I

(56:18):
see so al back and forth and back and forth
and back. Finally I give in to it, and I
tell myself, I'm going to do this and it's and
it's not to upset her, you know, that was my goal.
I didn't want to call him just upset her. That
wasn't you know. I had to wait this And finally
I decided to call her and I tell her and
we discussed things for a little bit and then she says,
do you know what today's day is? And I said no,

(56:39):
and she said this, this was his birthday. Now I
don't remember that. I don't remember celebrating his birthday with him,
you know, on his birthday. I don't remember that. So,
you know, it could be just coincidence or or what.

Speaker 4 (56:54):
I do not know.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
It's a big coincidence.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
Yeah, And uh, one time my son came to my
room and he something was bothering him, and he came
in and laid down with me. It was early in
the morning, like we're looking at three or four o'clock
in the morning. He comes over to the room and
it's just starting to get light, you know, about five o'clock.
And I have this feeling like something passed over us.

(57:22):
And I don't know how to explain it other than
that that something I felt like something bodily passed over us.
And here this was the time when my wife's father
passed away at that time, and I don't know if
that's a coincidence or what.

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Speaker 1 (58:24):
I do think, Nick, I'm a little more sensitive to
things and maybe some other people, and I don't know why,
but I appear to be and I pick up on
some things like this.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
And it's very often the case with people in introduction experiences,
certain things and sensitivities are there as well.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
Any other occasion I had that was really a surprise
was I was in the Navy and I had this stream.
We were leaving the Philippines who were heading We're supposed
to go back, I think, up to Vietnam again, and
as we were heading, I had this dream. I went

(59:06):
on and watched and I told the guys. I said,
you know, I dreamt that that we received this flash
priority message to proceed to North Korea, to Korea. And
I said, in the dream, I see I dream in color,
full sound, full length movies. We're talking you unbelievable stuff

(59:27):
sometimes and I see these reds and you know, firing
and oranges and things, and I'm thinking, well, this is
not good right in my dream. So I go up
and I tell the guys on watch, I had this dream.
It couldn't have been five minutes later. We received this
flash priority message precede the Korea, and so our ship
was sent and we were up up near Vadivosco, Russia.

(59:51):
And at that time I worked with electronic ConA measures
and we could discern when the Russian planes flew over us.
They returned on their fire control radar, which means they
were you know, they meant business like we shouldn't be there,
and I had to pass that on to the captain,
et cetera. But how could I pull that out of

(01:00:13):
the air, you know what I mean? These are some
things I can't explain.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
You know, I haven't background in science, Johnny. Yeah, there's
so much of this that it's of no known science
to us.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
I'm very critical of the fact that science has not
investigated this because there's by now, since my days, there
have been so many people who have seen something or
felt something, or had an event or an occurrence or whatever.

(01:00:47):
And we can't just sit back. We have to be
forewarned and forearmed. We have to investigate this scientifically, and
it's not hogwash. Make believe something's happening, and the sooner
we are thlings begin to act like human beings and

(01:01:08):
investigate this, the sooner we can maybe prevent a disaster
that could happen on our planet or prepare us for
when the inevitable will come. And I think that's probably
going to be sooner than later. It may not happen
in my lifetime, but it may happen in my lifetime.
And I think that's the other compelling reason is it's

(01:01:32):
sort of like I want to be on that edge
of saying, see, you know, I feel that we need
to prepare for ourselves for inevitability that by not being prepared,
it is going to be worse for humanity then it

(01:01:53):
would be if we investigated and we did prepare ourselves
for this, because it's coming.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
There are people out there which know so much more
than what they're letting on, especially when they're just putting
out blurry military videos. You know, there is so much
more they know. Of course they know, they know a
lot more. I'm sure there's a lot of stuff they
don't know or don't understand why these things go on,
but they certainly know more than they're letting on.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
I think so too. I don't deminiate people see lights
in the skies, but after having the experiences I have,
it's like, we don't need to be destroyed before we
finally pay attention. We have to move in that direction.

(01:02:39):
And I do see you know, some famous people who
have come forward and who are trying to make it
a science, To make it an investigation, we have to
be forewarned of people who are in this business just
to make a buck or try to capitalize on other

(01:03:01):
people's misfortune, or however you want to put it. But
I think for the most part, anybody like yourself, Nick,
who can get this information out to people, the better
it will be for all of us.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
I agree, Perhaps you agree, John.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
And then I appreciate giving me the opportunity to get
this information out, and I hope people will heed or
interpret or understand or investigate their own and maybe this
will help some people. And that's the other one other
thing that I've had through the years, as after my

(01:03:36):
nineteen eighty two incident, I always felt like I was
going to meet someone and I don't know who, I
don't know why, but I've always felt like there was
people that I was supposed to meet with, and it's
like a gap of some kind in the events. And

(01:03:58):
I don't know if it's people who are of that
vehicle or crimes with me, or whether it's people who
had their own experiences, but I often felt compelled that
I would meet people who have gone through this.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Also, going back to the actual vehicle itself and the
people you actually remember seeing on there, other than your father.
Can you remember ages maybe, I know it was a
long time ago, I know aggression at all. Could you
remember the ages of the other people on board a vehicle.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
When they seemed to be like, well, my father at
that time, what he would have been like in his
forty fifties, you know, somewhere in there. And then they
were younger, like clear into their twenties thirties, you know,
in that in that brain that I don't remember seeing
children except in what has floated up in my mind,

(01:04:56):
like being schooled and seeing this huge screen with the
globe and the red marks on the globe, and there
I'm with younger people for some reason. And if you
were to ask me who these people were, I couldn't

(01:05:16):
tell you because like it's sort of like compartmentalized. We
were in our own little niche, like a little cubicle,
if you want to refer to it as. There were
a number of us, and I can't tell you how many.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
Now, the actual image of the globe, the actual dots
are on.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
The that was in color, that was in color of
reds and like a almost like a hologram kind of appearance.
It's the way I renew and my view of the
Earth was amazing. It would have been like I was
actually in space looking at the Earth, and I didn't
mention this nick, But I've spent many summers with NASA,

(01:06:01):
and it's somewhat we chuckle by our technology in comparisons
to what I have been exposed to. In other words,
they're so far ahead of us mind boggling. And when
people say, oh, you know, they can't get here from there,
I just say bullshit, because we are ignorant. We are

(01:06:23):
egotistical in thinking that these people who maybe have been
around for a million years can't do can't do this,
and that's way out of line.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
I think you're absolutely right. The red dots that you
were saying that were on the globe, they were one
on South America, the Middle East. What was there another one?

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
Yeah, they're one in South America, and there was one
in the Middle East, and then there was one in Africa,
and they all were streaming out for attention that this
is like where we should concentrate to just like save

(01:07:03):
our planet. These are the areas that are screaming for
humans to do something. That's what came across and of
course South America that could be the Amazon region. That's
where it was at in the Middle East. It's like
right where Iraq is and Africa. It was more in

(01:07:25):
the heart of Africa towards the north. So yeah, I
don't know what what it meant. You know, I don't
remember everything. Like I said, I just have these visions
at times, the little things that bubble up from time
to time, and you know, and a lot of them
are a long time ago. So recently I haven't had

(01:07:47):
any of these things, you know, bubble up. It's it
was stuff that happened before. As I'm getting older, I
think I have him losing some of these senses that
I have had.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
But looking back on your speriences over the years, even
though they may have been intrusive, borderline trup traumatic in
some instances, do you think maybe they have been guiding you?
They have guided you over the years.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
I think they are interfering. I don't want to use
the word interfering, but I feel like they have directed
us in a certain direction. They just seem to be
earmarking us for something that's the you know, like I said,
I don't know how much I've controlled my own destiny

(01:08:32):
or how much they have controlled And that could be
little to be a lot. I really don't know, because
I find it very difficult because I just have this
insatuable desire to learn about science, and not even today,
even though I'm retired, it doesn't stop. I want to know,

(01:08:54):
I want to learn. And I think that maybe that's
like this expiation in humanity, where some of us go
forth and do things and others go along with it.
I just feel like at times there were things that
occurred that put me on the track to certain things.

(01:09:14):
I also, I'm going to brag or anything, but I
was pretty good at what I did, and I think that,
you know, I could take the most difficult concept and
relate it to my students, and I took pride in that.
And it was really good at mathematics, really good at
interpreting and relating and working with technology and things. And

(01:09:40):
you know, I had a teacher one time. I told her,
I says, you know, I don't understand you know why
this is. You know, why are people having difficulty with
this mathematics and one little aspect we were doing. And
the teacher turned to me and said, John, not everybody
is like you. And that's when it hit me, Yeah,

(01:10:02):
that's that's right. Not all of us are great mathe
mathematicians are great whatever or whatever we're going to go into.
And that's the key, uh, And that's why everybody is important,
no matter what area they're in, because we depend upon
each other.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
That's right. So different cobs, isn't it, And on one big,
one big machine.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
I had a very difficult time coming forward, Nick. This
wasn't not easy decision. And now that I'm at the
point where I don't get rats, you know, it's easier.
But what I do remember, I remember, and I know
it happened. And when you have multiple instances occurs like
this and you and you remember some of that, there's

(01:10:45):
no way anyone could ever you know, there's no you know,
like the skeptics will say, oh, it's uh this and
that and this and now now sorry, you know. And
I think people have to be open minded in a
because many skeptics have had experiences too and turn their
life around.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
So and there again, like I tell people, you know,
there's so much we don't understand, and every account is
is just a piece. It's just a little jigsaw piece
in in such a big, a big puzzle.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
You know. You like that joggling that occurred to me,
you know, going in and out of the vehicle. I
can't explain that. You know, if they if I can,
if they can take us through the roof of a
house or through the wall when I was younger, maybe
they can do anything they want to do. You know,
it doesn't add up.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
You know, I was thinking about this, you know, you
know you mentioned about the small you know, the awkward opening.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
Something something was wrong. I don't I'm not in a
position to like analyze it base the part of what
was happening, you know, but something was very peculiar about that.
You know. Maybe it's their security. I don't know. I
don't know what it was. So that's why I say,
there's no locks, there's no doors, there's no there's no

(01:11:59):
place to hide. If they want to get a hold
of you, they're going to get a hold of you.
And that feeling where I said, oh, here they come again,
that there's no stopping, you know, there's no there's nothing
we can do. Because that's when it crucially hit me.
And when I made the tie to when I was
little too, that brought all those memories rushing back, and

(01:12:22):
I think once you scratch the surface. You know, with
another event like that, it causes some of those things
to bubble bubble up through the content. And the more
I thought about it, the more the possibility of something
bubbling to the surface.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
You know, I really appreciate you coming on today, Johnny.
That's absolutely experiences are absolutely fascinating, and I'm really happy
that you're actually able to share all this.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
Thank you it and again, thank you for allowing me
to get this out. I think I think I wanted
to do this for many, many years, and finally I've
been having the opportunity to do it. So thank you,
and I hope people can penetit. Okay, bye, bye bye.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
That is all for this episode. Keep yourself updated and
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had an encounter that you would like to share on
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gmail dot com or via my contact page on my
website at UFO Chronicles podcast dot com. Special thanks to

(01:13:21):
Johnny for sharing tonight, and thank you for listening. I
will be back this Thursday for a bonus episode. Till then,
stay safe and keep watching us guys. Goodbye.

Speaker 4 (01:14:15):
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