Ep.107 An Encounter In Judy Woods (Throwback)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You'll be away five seventeen. Do you want to report
a UFO hanging in?

Speaker 2 (00:05):
We don't want.

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To report every thirty one. Do you wish to report
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areas thirty one? Do you wish to find a report
of any kind of it? I wouldn't know what kind
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See if it was anybody else above us to pass us,
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Speaker 4 (00:32):
We were sending one of golf negative.

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Okay, top fi UFO.

Speaker 4 (00:37):
Yeah it's lard two nine o'clock. Yes, I'll just passed over.

Speaker 5 (00:42):
God.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
I don't know what it was, but it's from at
least to three thousand feet above us.

Speaker 4 (00:47):
See, I passed out over the top.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Of US ninety one one.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
You just called up to me. The fours they're off
there staying.

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The airplanes.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Here to God.

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Calm in on an unidentified object, every liberty or call
or calm on an unidentified flying object.

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All right.

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West Yorkshire in the UK. Now you may have heard
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So Paula is.

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Speaker 2 (03:09):
Now on with the show.

Speaker 4 (03:27):
Welcome to the show, Pauler. Hi, thank you for joining
us today and calling from West Yorkshire in the UK.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yeah, Bradford, West Yorkshire. That's great.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
Now, you've had several experiences beginning at the age of
twelve years old. Would you like to start there for
us peace, Pauler.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Yeah, it was nineteen eighty two to eighty three. Now,
as I've got older, I can't get the dick correct,
but because I was born in December, so it could
have been October nineteen eighty two or October eighty three. Anyway,
it was dark. I'm assuming we'd finish school, and because

(04:06):
if I was going to go out with my friend,
i'd ha gone to this place during the day and
not in the evening. I'd met up with my friend.
I'd either called for her or call she'd called for me,
vice versa. And it was about quarter past six in
the evening we'd normally hang about. My mum had sent me, Yes,
I'm twelve year old. So my mum said, you've got

(04:27):
to be in at nine o'clock, stay in the area
because it's dark. So about quarter past six. I probably
met my friend earlier than that, I can't I can't recall.
And but about quarter past six, half past six, I said, oh,
what we're doing? Then? You know, are we hanging about

(04:47):
here or wherever? We're hanging about on streets? So she said, oh, no,
we'll go for a walk in woods. What woods? You know?
I didn't. Now, there's a park just over the road
from me. So there's a little bit of a woodland
next to the park. My twelve year old brain thinking,
oh right, we must be going at park. Then this

(05:10):
little woodland next to the park, and we actually sets
off in the opposite direction of the park. And I
did say to her, well, they didn't wait at woods,
and she says, no, no, we're going to Judy Woods.
And Judy Woods is i'd say between one and a

(05:32):
half to two miles from my home. We did walk fast,
we didn't mess about. We might have stopped now and
again gone to shop. Well do what have you? And
I were like up for that, I're up for going
for this walk. To somewhere different than hanging about hanging

(05:53):
about on streets anyway. So I never asked her what
we were going there for, but I'm I'm assuming it
would make other friends that we had, you know, are
just somewhere different to go. So sets off six fifteen
to six thirty. And it was dark. The moon was

(06:14):
big and bright. I can't remember whether it was a
full moon. I know it was definitely not a new moon,
but it was big. So the stars were clear, a lovely, calm,
clear evening. Now I'm going to this place that I've
never been before. And we comes across as a walking

(06:37):
and talking and stuff, and we come to a like
a council Leicester, which I now know as Woodside in Bradford.
And so it gets to this council Leicester and I'm
thinking where these woods? So she's leading me away down
this path. Now, down this path, there's a fence at

(06:59):
each side which is enough room for both of us
to walk in. So we've got this six foot wooden
fence at each side. It was just the moonlight was
kind of casting the floor, so we could see partially
where bits of mud was are or gravel or wherever

(07:20):
we was walking, and we still got that slight vision,
you know, that we could see, but it was as
we're getting further down this path, the trees from the
woods were starting to overlap the fence, then cutting out
the moonlight. But it wasn't completely black, so we still

(07:42):
could see. It was just a bit more difficult. Beyond
the fence. I could see the council houses getting further
away now and again i'd get a glimpse of a
bathroom window or a bedroom window up each side of
this fence. So this pathway is getting narrower, to the

(08:04):
point where we had to walk in single file. I
can't remember whether I walked in front of her or
she walked in front of me, but we continued down
this short walk of a path and then it kind
of with the trees overlapping, then it kind of come
to a clearing. I can't tell you how long this

(08:26):
path was. I mean, it's irrelevant, really, but we kind
of come to this clearing and I could see then
way beyond, way beyond, about half a mile away, lights
like street lights and house lights, and so, you know,
there were tiny little dots, you know, and I could

(08:49):
then hear what sounded like lapping of water. It's then
that I kind of suddenly stopped and I thought, oh God,
I'm going to fall in water. You know, it's like
I'm in darkness. I'm going to fall in this water.
But then there's my eyes adjusted to that darkness more.

(09:10):
I could see then what looked like what I thought
was moonlight shining off the lapping of the water and
making that ripple. So I thought, oh well it maybe
it's probably ten feet in front of us this water now,
so I thought, oh well, we can get a bit closer.
So we walked a few more paces, so between the

(09:33):
water and my feet then were probably about five feet away.
So I'm kind of stood there and I'm still kind
of gazing around. I can still see the lights, the
orange street lights half a mile aware, and house lights,
and to the left of Mate, it was I think

(09:55):
the woods was more dense, because I couldn't see anything
in front of Mate at that point, not anything that
had light up. But I could see the outline of
the trees, so I think that was blocking whatever was
behind if it was ourses behind it. Neither of us spoke.
Whether we did or not, I don't recall that, but

(10:18):
I'm sure we didn't speak. It was so bizarre. The
feeling I was having was not normal, you know, and
the atmosphere was changing. I could feel I don't know
what it was. People say a static feeling, you know,

(10:39):
or like a nose on taste. I can get that.
I can get it. Whether it was that, I'm not sure.
But then it was like everything just when silent. I
could no longer hear. I could still see, I could
see the lights in the distance, but the lapping of

(11:03):
the water stopped. Everything just stopped. It's like time just stopped.
There was no noise, but I could hear my own
heartbeat and it were It wasn't going fast, it was normal,
but it would do and I could hear it so clear,

(11:25):
and it's like I didn't even look at my friend.
I knew she was stood next to me, and she
was on the right hand side of me, maybe a
couple of feet away from me. Then it was like
something was blocking these kind of lights in the background,

(11:46):
and I know that this something was moving my eyes.
I'm focusing and my eyes were just into what I'm
looking at, and whatever it is looks like it's a boomerang,
but with an extra arm on the end, you know
that boomerang shape, but it's got an extra bit and

(12:09):
it's turning and it's looking at it. Now as an adult,
I can see, I can see the size of it,
and I could say it's about thirty feet wide by
thirty feet tall, and rather it being something flat across,

(12:29):
it's upright and it's turning between probably one to five
mile an hour going clockwise. Now, as a twelve year
old child, I didn't know what miles per hour war.
I know Mim Young used to say that word, and
she said it a lot in the car. Didn't mean

(12:50):
anything to me. But now as an adult, I can
say what I can say what speed it was and
turning clockwise, and it hadds three lights, one light on
each of these arms. The arms of this thing was

(13:10):
not pointed. They were rounded, but there wasn't They didn't
come to a point in round, you know. There was
totally the same width from top to bottom. And each
arm had a light on it, and the light one
was blue, one was green. I cannot think at all

(13:32):
what this color was. This other color was. It's there,
I can see it that I cannot tell you what
color it is. There wasn't bright. These lights, I can't
even say how big there was. That there wasn't bright,
but they were more like when you turn a light
down on a dimmer switch. And I can't tell you

(13:54):
that you of the colors either, So I can't tell
you whether that red was a crimson red, a cherry red,
letter box red. I can't tell you, but all I
know it's red. Same with the blue. I can't tell
you whether it's electric blue, light blue, dark blue. I
can't tell you how I know it's blue. And maybe

(14:17):
that's because that twelve year old child me. Colors are
just colors, you know, as an adult, it's a you.
But I'm looking through my twelve year old eyes now.
It then cast a light from underneath it, which come
out like a fan. The craft itself was hovering the point.

(14:42):
From the points of this craft, I could see that
it was probably five feet above the water, and it
then casts this fan shaped light from underneath it. So
if I've come to the conclusion that if this craft

(15:03):
is moving clockwise, but yet this light is straight onto
the water and it's made a circular shape on the water,
then something maybe at the back is stationary in order
for that light to stay where it is, Otherwise a
light would be turning clockwise and with the actual thing

(15:27):
that I'm seeing. And I could see then that the
water was kind of not boiling, but slightly seething, and
like a mist was coming off it. I can't say
whether it was vapor. I can't say whether it a
condensation or whatever it was, but I know it was
like a mist kind of vapor sort of thing. It

(15:50):
wasn't thick. I could still see through it. It wasn't thick,
and it was only a fine layer whatever it was.
And I were confused. I've never seen anything like it before.
What does a twelve year old child do? You know what,
I've never seen this. It didn't scare me at that

(16:10):
moment because I was such in awe and confusion. You know,
I've never seen anything like that before, you know, So
what am I supposed to feel? I then noticed my
peripheral view that my friend was stood on the left
hand side of me. I can use my peripheral view.

(16:33):
I don't know how, but I can focus on something
in front of me since that moment, but use my
peripheral view just as good as what I'm looking at
that's right in front of me, and she stood there,
same same place, but on the left hand side. It

(16:55):
was then that I turned and looked at her, and
she had this horrified, absolutely horrified look on a face.
It was a face, and I was just I was
just so lost in thought and everything, all these emotions
that haven't never had was just there. Everything was just there,

(17:20):
and and when I saw her face, it was that's
when the emotions triggered. I was scared. I was terrified.
I was traumatized. I was in awe with what was
going on. I didn't want to move because I just
wanted to know what this thing was. And then she's

(17:43):
got this face and but I'm not seeing how why
is she lit up? I didn't notice that at first.
I just it were a face that I saw, and
her eyes were bulging because she's traumatized. She's she's terrified,
and and I looked at her, and then then I
realized she's got this blue light on her, and this

(18:08):
light's just not reflecting off anything except her, and it's
not there's no light on the ground, there's nothing, there's
nothing above it, there's nothing behind her. And then I
looked down at myself and this blue had lit up me,
and I kind of raised my hand and the light

(18:29):
was on my hand, and I kind of looked at
my body and then I thought, oh, oh my god,
oh my god, and it may I have to run.
I have to run, I have to escape this. And
it were like as if the feeling that I had
was like as if I have had that moment of

(18:52):
feeling before from something I don't know what, I don't recall,
but I recognized that moment of fleeing and I grabbed her.
I spun round my right arm, grabbed her right arm,
and I literally dragged her. I said, effing run, effing run.

(19:18):
She never spoke a word, and we ran and I
literally dragged her up this alleywhere with the you know,
the wooden fence at each side. I don't know whether
that light was still on as while I were running.
I really don't because I didn't look back. Why would
I want to look back. And as we're running, I

(19:41):
could feel darkness coming in. And when you have this
darkness coming in, anyone that's fainted would know that moment
that you're going to faint. You get a blackness coming in.
It's like Sunday closing curtains until you've got a pin
point of light and then it just switches off and
you pass out. It's a bit like that, but you

(20:02):
don't get that feeling with it. It's just it's like
the curtain's coming. You go in and it feels like
I'm running in quicksand or syrup, and me running is
getting slower. Everything is slowed right down, right down, and
I feel like I'm sinking into the ground. I'm gone.

(20:25):
I am now at the bottom of my street. I'm walking.
I didn't stop the well, it wasn't like I'd stopped,
and I just walked. I was walking, and that is
all I remember. I'm walking round the corner up the
street and i could hear children, and I'm thinking, oh,

(20:50):
I'd forgotten what had just taken place. Instantly, it didn't exist.
Whatever happened to me did not exist in that moment
of time. My focus was on why, oh this is
having a part in these loads of kids on the street.
And I can you know, parents stood outside and people talking,

(21:14):
and as I'm walking up the street confronted by kids
on the bmxs, and and you know, I know there
would be this is the time when the BMX had
come out and all every kid you know had one,
you know, and and it's like they're there and I'm
looking at them, and they said, oh, she's here, Paula

(21:37):
is here, paul is here. And all I'm thinking is, oh,
I'm missing out on a party. But as I'm walking
up the street, I'm thinking, why is he a policeman
at mid door? This is at my grandma's house. This
is at the house I'm in. Now, why is he
a policeman stood at mid door? And as I'm getting

(21:59):
furthered up, these kids are starting to say, you're in trouble,
You're in trouble. It were then that party mode when
I'm going to go to prison. I'm going to prison.
That's my twelve year old mind that the police are

(22:19):
looking for me and the children are telling me I'm
in trouble. But I don't know what I've done. I
really do not know what I've done. I know that
I've gone to the woods. I know then when it's
just hit me again that I've seen something I shouldn't
have seen, But I still don't remember how I got home.

(22:42):
That moment is gone, It's gone, It'll be gone forever.
And I'm thinking, why is the police. Why am I
going to prison? And I started crying. I were really
really distraught, and I started crying. As I'm going up
the path, I've got children telling me I'm in serious trouble,

(23:03):
children telling me police have been looking for me all night.
And I'm walking up the path and I'm thinking, what
have I done? What have I done? Yeah, I'm going
to be in serious trouble for going the woods. I
was twelve year old, for God's sake, but I was
still home before nine o'clock. As I approached my grandma

(23:27):
who was blocking the doorway, and the policeman who was
called PC Milner, he'll be long deceased, and he was
to the left of the door. And as I'm approaching,
and all I wanted to do was running that house
because I didn't want them kids seeing me upset because

(23:48):
twelve year old kids aren't right nice, They don't have
that empathy, they don't have that you know, that thing
where I shouldn't be tormenting a like this, you know.
And all I wanted to do was get in the house.
But my grandma had blocked the doorway with the arm.
She was a big, burly woman, but she also blocked

(24:10):
the doorway with her arm. So I was forced to
stand next to the policeman and my grandma in front
of her. And it was the policeman that said, where
have you been? Your grandma has been looking for you
for hours? And I'm like, and I'm thinking in my head,

(24:33):
but it's before nine o'clock, before nine o'clock. I know
it's before nine o'clock. And the confusion and everything about
it is like, I feel dizzy. I feel dizzy because
I'm so confused, and I'm like, what I mean? And same,

(24:55):
where have you been? Where have you been? I could
not tell her that I've been at Judy Woods. I
would get a right telling off. I didn't want to
be grounded for two weeks. But then in other words,
I wasn't lying either because where was that other part
gone that I don't remember? And eventually me none saw

(25:21):
that I was getting more distraught, and policemen said to me,
do you realize what time it is? Well? In my
mind it's not even nine o'clock yet, and I said no,
through these tears, it says, you've had yournnun worried, so
worried and upset. It's five to midnight. Well, at twelve

(25:49):
year old. It is through irrelevant at twelve year old?
But where have I been? Five to twelve? And just go?
My grandma drops her arm and I mean, I remember
coming straight through. I goes upstairs and I went into bed.

(26:09):
I put them sheets over my head in bed because
I did not want to come from my grandma and
for my grandma to say where have you been? Where
have you been? So I pretended to fall asleep. And
I must have fallen asleep because in the morning I

(26:31):
woke up and I really did not want to go
to the bathroom. I really did, but I had to.
And I thought, the slightest movement on those floorboards, my
grandmar will know that I'm up and she will say
to me, where were you last night? And I thought, well,

(26:52):
if I don't, if I do not go to that bathroom,
I'm going to have a say his accident. So eventually
I got up and I went to the bathroom, and
I thought, well, I'm going to have to go downstairs.
I have to do. And I come downstairs and I'm
waiting for it. I'm waiting for the bollocking, the biggest

(27:14):
bollocking of my life, which did not happen. It did
not happen. She said, you want a cup of tea,
as she normally would every morning, and I said yeah,
and I'm still waiting. I'm still waiting, and she's just
sat there, She's doing what she normally does, as she
did every morning. Not one word got said about it,

(27:39):
not one word. And I was so confused, and I'm thinking,
I'm sat there on the setting and I'm thinking, hang
on a minute, where were my friend when I were
walking up that straight Why want my friend women? I

(28:02):
don't get it. I don't get it. So I thought, right,
I'm gonna have to ring her up. I'm gonna after
meet up with her because we saw each other every day,
so I'm assuming this morning was a Saturday. I can't
say for sure, but I don't recall going to school,
and I certainly won't ring my friend before school. And

(28:25):
I rings my friend up. I said, oh, what you're doing?
But I had to act normal. I couldn't say where
have you been? You know, what happened last night? Because
my grandma would over here. I didn't want that, you know,
it might trigger a thought in her mind to say
where were you last night? So I had to put

(28:46):
this act on, like you know where I actually we
made up? Yeah? All right, then I guess I go
back upstairs. I get dressed. I'm still on tenter ruks,
and I'm thinking if I go back town them stairs me,
NaN's gonna remember and question her. No, I goes downstairs.
Nothing right now, I'm off out? All right then, yeah,

(29:10):
make sure you're back in What I were fully expecting.
I could see the kids on the street on the
bikes and running about with the skipping ropes, and I'm
fully expecting the kids to say, eh, what did police say? Yeah? Nothing? Nothing.
I walked past them, Are you Paula? Hi, Paula. That's

(29:34):
all I was getting. And I walked past them, crosses
over the street, goes to make my friend and we
met halfway and I says to her what time did
you get home last night? And I did not say
it in that way as to make it look like
something happened. I said to her, what time did you

(29:55):
get home last night? She said, we're about ten past nine.
I says, do you remember last thing about getting home?
And this is coming from my twelve year old It
was more of an adult thought than a twelve year
old thought, what time did you what twelve year old

(30:16):
asked that question, what time did you get home last night?
She said, we're at ten past nine? And I said,
do you remember about it? Where walk from walking from
the woods, which I know we did not do? From
walking where from that woods? What do you remember about

(30:38):
getting in the house? And she said, I just remember
being studying in front room and then going to bed.
I had a cup of coffee, stood in front room
and went to bed. I said, so you don't remember
walking in the house and she went no. I said,
we weren't at woods, didn't wear She went, oh, yeah,
went to woods. I said, do you remember after that?

(31:00):
She went, nah, No, just casual nah. And I'm like
what And to this day it's like I still cannot yet.
I can't. I cannot pull that blackness out hours And
you know, i'd say it with for three and a

(31:20):
half four hours missing time that I will never ever
get back. So shortly after, me and my friend used
to hang about together every day, every day, and this
went on for years. We were best friends. And shortly
after that incident, as friendship started dying out, and to

(31:44):
the point of I only saw a one s ablow moon,
and then not at all, and so I have nobody
to verify this. My grandma passed away. When in nineteen
ninety two the policeman passed away, they were old anywhere

(32:06):
in my eyes, in the twelve year old child's eyes,
he was old anyway, So I know that it'll be gone.
The children that were on the street moved away years
later or whatever. I don't know where my sister was.
She could have been at a friend. She was two
and a half year older than me anyway, so she

(32:27):
might have been staying out at friends. Me Mom, I
don't think to this day that she ever knew what
had gone on, because my grandma was actually quite soft
with me. I got away with a lot of stuff,
so she probably didn't tell me mom what I'd done,
because I'd lived from my mum's to my grandma's from

(32:49):
the age of five, and finally settled at my grandma's
because my mum worked full time. And so I have
nobody to bat my incident up. And no matter what
I said, I know my truth and it will stair
with me and haunt me for the rest of my life.

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Speaker 4 (33:53):
What about some of your experiences that you've had after that?

Speaker 1 (33:56):
After that, well, I have had experiences before that when
I was four year old and six.

Speaker 4 (34:02):
Well, as you remember about being four four.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
Year old is when it first started, went to nursery
and in the mornings. My sister would be at school
all day, like I said, so she'd before five, six,
seven and a half, so she were at school full time,
whereas I was after its at nursery and I lived

(34:25):
with Mimumdn which is on the same street as I
am now. As what happened when I was twelve now,
but it was the other side of the street. I
know that during this time when this thing happened, needs
to come on from school. Sometimes when we would buy
a fish for my dinner, my mum were terrified the cat,

(34:47):
so we'd have to running out of this fish. So
anywhere I goes in the house and I'd get changed
in like a pretty dress or whatever. Because the lady
at the top of the street used to do rock
and roll dancing or salsa dancing or whatever. I didn't
have a clue what the dancing were. All I were
interested in with these big dresses that had loads of

(35:09):
layers that to me looked more at a princess. And
she used to give me these dresses. But obviously these
dresses had to be tied, not at the top where
the you know, the straps were. Anyway, I put these
dresses on, and I go playing the back garden. I'll
be on my own and the midding tops where you

(35:30):
know where the old toilets used to be outside, and
we had a slab of stone on the top, and
he used to climb clamber up onto the wall onto
this slab of stone, and I'd get a piasted stone.
And I'd been trying to write me name and drawing
little pictures, little flowers and stuff like that. And I

(35:54):
remember always seeing before this incident happened, I remember ours
seeing well, looked like a blackbird. It looked like a
blackbird now, but it was just a bird at for everything.
Every bird was just a bird to me. It didn't
have a name. It was just a bird. At four
year old, you know, like looking at a car, every

(36:16):
car was just a car. It didn't have a name,
a model. It was just a car. So I remember
seeing this bird on this roof oppers it was just
there out the time, and I just sit and carry
on with what I were doing. And I'm a great
animal lover, so I were attracted to whatever it. Well,
you know, I'm a collector of cats, some crazy cat lady.

(36:39):
So and I'm sitting this midting I'm trying a little
thing and then this bird flies down to me and
sits next to me. I don't mean sits on his
bomb obviously, you know it's next to me. It's black,
and it's got like an orange e ready beat, and

(36:59):
it's starts talking as what we call telepathy now, which
to me at four year old, is normal. And it's talking.
I mean, it's asking me questions and he's saying do
you like your family? This is all telepathic. Well to
me at four year old, this is just normal to
me because I can do it. I didn't think it

(37:20):
were anything different. I thought everybody could do that, until
I realized years later they couldn't. So and it's talking
to me. He's asking me these questions. Do you like
your family? Did you like your dinner? The basic, the
simple questions that for you all can understand. Do you
like school? There's probably other questions in there. I know

(37:42):
the what, but I can't remember what they are. And
I either answer verbally, telepathically, or a mixture of both,
and then it would fly off. It wouldn't answer back.
It just wanted those answers, It were happy with those answers,
and it would fly off back onto the road. This
went on for weeks. It could have been months, but

(38:05):
as a four year old, every day is just a day.
Weeks months don't exist. A day is a day, and
that's it. I don't recall it coming every day of
visit may although I could have been in the house.
It could have rained that day that it didn't come.
I don't know, but it had come down again when

(38:27):
it did come, and I'd have made bouncy dresses on again.
I'd be drawing on wall and it was the same
routine that I'd do because it was my thing. Perhaps
now and again, I'd take one of my little dolls
on wall, women or a little teddy bear. It'd come
down again, and I know it'd ask the same things
in different format, a bit like interrogation, what we'd call

(38:50):
interrogation now, but on a four year old level. So
it'd ask the same questions again, do you like your family?
Do you like going to school? What have you had
for your dinner? And I'd answer it telepathically or verbally
or a mixture of boat. Now, my mum's picked up
on this. She's in the house. The back door is open.

(39:11):
She's picked up on me talking as someone, and she's thinking,
oh she talking automatic thought, bloody ellm child's on that wall.
She might get taken or is she talking to a neighbor.
She's had to come to the door and she says, Paula,
you're talking her And she says the bird on midding

(39:32):
top And I said bird, and I've named it. Now
I found out it was my mum that told me
that I had named it. Inca, Well, I don't even know.
I don't even remember this. I don't even know where
I got the word from, name from anything about that,

(39:54):
I don't remember it, but I'll get back to that.
So the final time it come down, this bird, it
traumatized me because it sat there and it said it
didn't say out for the longest time. It only could
have been minutes, but to me, it was a long time,

(40:16):
and it just sat there like it was just watching me.
It said, would move if I put my hand down
to draw a little thing on the on the top
on the wall thing. It'd watched what me Ander was doing,
and then it'd look up at me and it's like,
wasn't what it was now looking at it, It wasn't

(40:40):
what it was. Maybe it was something else that disguised
itself as a bird. It come down and it sat
there watching everything I did. It then said I've got
to go and I won't be back, and I burst
out crying, I won't be back, but I will be

(41:01):
back when you're older. It didn't quite say it in
them words, but I know that it said that. I
would traumatize for days, and I remember going in and
crying and my mom and a bird's gone and it's
not coming back. Whether I'd said them words like that,
but I know I said it, and my mom was

(41:22):
trying to console me. And eventually I got over it.
I got over this bird. The memory I didn't get
over it's still raw in my mind, but the bird
I got over. So let's go forward to twenty twelve.
I've kept this. I didn't know that my mom knew that.

(41:43):
I thought for all those years that I'd imagine this,
so I never mentioned it to my mom, even though
she was witnessed to it. But did I imagine it?
Did I imagine it? No? I didn't, because it's still
raw in my mind up to fifty year old with
I am now. So around twenty twelve, Sasha Christie meets

(42:05):
my mom. Sasha's come to my home and my mum
come over the road, and I'm thinking, oh, no, my
mom's here because I've never ever ever told her about
my experiences ever, even though she has seen spirits, that
never mentioned these bloody things that I've seen all my life,

(42:31):
you know, and whether it be alien spirit or UFO,
I didn't want her to know that. It's embarrassing. I
won't be believed. And and I'll look back and wish
that I could have that one day with my grandma
because I know that my grandma was like me, which

(42:52):
comes into another account, So I'll go back to twenty twelve.
Sasha is here, my Mum's here, and I'm thinking, thinking,
trying to you know, I don't thinking, Please Sasha, don't
mention paranormal in front of my mom, you know, otherwise
you're gonna come out with my experiences, you know. And

(43:12):
it was me mom that actually said to Sasha, not
to me, to Sasha and then saying it to me after.
Oh you remember that parlor, And I'm like, really sat there,
really embarrassed, and I'm thinking, you're not supposed to know this.

(43:33):
How do you know this? They are that bird that
you used to talk to want me in top, that
used to fly off every time I come at door.
Do you remember she said she looked at Sasha and
said to Sasha, yeah, she used to call it inca.
That was the first time ever that I knew that

(43:55):
I had called it inca. And I was so shocked,
and I'm like, well, I don't even think I spoke
because I were in that much shock. And Sasha CHRISTI
to this day can verify that moment in time and
we've looked Sasha then immediately looked in away and I

(44:18):
never did that. I never researched that connection between Inca
and this bird that I was seeing. She's got on
a wit straight away. There's a type of blackbird and
it's called Inca was eye shocked and taken her back.
So the end of that first encounter I ever had

(44:40):
a very strange Yeah, I think that was the build
up to it, the very start, and it come down
as a bird, a subtle thing. I liked birds. I
liked all animals as a subtle thing that was small
and that wasn't terrifying. And to start me off this
roller course, Yeah, that's what I believe.

Speaker 4 (45:03):
Now, Yeah, your elardiest memories at four. Then you had
this UFO experience with the missing time at twelve years old.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
Yes, the first experience of what you call a gray
at six year old.

Speaker 4 (45:17):
And what memories do you have of that?

Speaker 5 (45:18):
Six years old?

Speaker 1 (45:19):
We had a dog. I lived with my mom or
where I know, I was living with my grandma, but
living with meen mom. Like I said in the previous
it was like transferring. I was sometimes women mom, sometimes
women Grant until I eventually lived here. That time I
were at my mom's and we had a dog, a

(45:42):
golden Labra dog called candy. I don't know where my
sister was again, because we didn't with me and my
sister never got on, never got on, sort of opposites.
You know, I like flowers, you know what I mean,
she didn't like. I like certain music she didn't like.
How can you get on with the person? We have

(46:03):
no absolutely no thing together that you can enjoy. So
we're probably in separate rooms. While she might have been
staying at my grandma's over here, I don't know where
she was. So I still don't get on with her
this day. So anyway I'm playing about. It was dark,
could have been octoberish again. It was dark. I mean,

(46:27):
Mum was in the kitchen, and she's always had this
thing about sitting in the kitchen when the washers on.
I don't know why, but it's like an O. C.
D thing. And she sat there on this little stool
and she's always she's always done it up until days
she got Paula with cancer. She always watched the washer

(46:48):
go around with the coffee and the cigarettes in hand.
So I'm in the front room and I'm missing about
with dog. Now. Something I said to this dog undead.
I had never done it before, and I don't know
why I did it. I really don't know why I

(47:09):
did it. But I said to the dog, Candy, there's
a pig at the window, which is unusual when you
look back at it. Why would there be a pig
at window? So I said to her, Oh, come on,
come on, look out window. Never never had that thing.
It was just this moment. There's a pig at window.
So the curtains are slightly open, not not with the

(47:33):
like a two foulk gap. The are open, but they
won't wide open. You know. There were enough for me
to stand then the dog to jump up, and it
was dark outside, and the main light was on, you know,
the ceiling light was on. You couldn't see outside because

(47:53):
of the reflection on the window bouncing back from the light.
So when you just sat there, I looked, it's just
complete blackness. Unless she went up to window. Then you
could see house light, you know, house window lights and stuff.
And I'm busy playing with dog, calling it, and I
now stood at the wall, leaning on the wall at

(48:16):
the side of the window. I'm saying, come on, Candy,
there's a pig at window. There's a picket window. And
she comes running in from the kitchin, so it's a
game to her as much as it's a game to me.
And I knew she was enjoying it, so I kind
of carried on. But my mum was getting a bit
annoyed with it, and she said, Paul, will you stop it,

(48:37):
Stop winding dog up? You know, but one I knew,
I knew that Candy were enjoying it. And she'd come
bounding in with a big pause and put her feet
at a front paws, jump up, put a front paws
on the window cell and look out at window and
then realized, oh, there's not there, and put a pause,

(48:59):
back down floor and run backing. And my mom so
she was waiting for me to call her again because
she had that giddy tail going and everything. So I
call her again, Candy, come on, there's a pig at
window and I'm still leaning against the wall. Did it
about three or four times, my mum shouting at me, Paul,
and knock it off now, But I think it won't

(49:21):
because I were winding dog up. I think she was
sick of hearing me saying repeating the same words over
and over again. So the final time was I've called
the dog Candy there's a pig up window, and I'm
sniggering because I know that I'm winding my mum up now,
not the dog, and I'm sniggering at myself. The pause,

(49:45):
she comes bounding in, paused straight up at window, and
something at that moment changed. Candy was such a soft dog.
She never barked, she never crowled, she was so placid.
I'm right next to her but leaning on the wall,
and she's I'm kind of giggy because she's got to

(50:07):
pause up. Something that that moment changed, and she had
this low, quiet growl, and I'm like, WHOA, what was
she making that noise? For I didn't realize she we
was growling. You know, I'm six years old. I didn't
know she were growling at someone out window. I didn't
even know what really the noise was because I've never

(50:31):
heard of, probably heard a dog growl before, So like,
what's this thing noise that she's making? Why? She then
slowly pulled away and her muzzle away from the glass
of the window, very slowly, and dropped down onto the ground,

(50:52):
never taking her look from that window, and she started
walking backwards really really slow, and she's still got this low,
quiet growl going on. She gets to the center of
the room and spins round. I have never seen anything

(51:13):
move as quick as that. And she's spun round that
fast and legged it into that kitchen like fast, like
something were chasing her. Everything kind of went silent, just
like it did in the woods, that silent, strange atmosphere.

(51:36):
Bearing in mind, when I'm in that room, I can
hear that going that or when it's spun you know,
I could head the television, but this silence. The tell
is still on, but there's no noise from anywhere. Nothing,

(51:57):
And I thought, what was she looking out of that window?
And I kind of comes away from the wall. I
kind of puts my face up to glass, and all
I'm seeing now is like if one of the windows,
you know, houses opposite has got the lights on, I

(52:20):
could I could see it. I could see the lights,
but anything closer than that I couldn't see because of
the reflection of the big light on the window. So
I had then to cut my hands around my face
in order to block the light out. I've cut my

(52:43):
hands around my face, got light out, and pressed my
hands right up to the glass. It's then now my
eyes are adjusting to that darkness that right in front,
right in front and me just outside the window. Someone
is blocking the view of looking straight across. And what

(53:08):
I saw was the most strangest thing that six year
old could say was these two big I can say
is almond shaped eyes now, but I couldn't put a
word into it. Then these big black eyes staring right

(53:30):
back at me. It didn't scare me because I didn't
know what the hell it was, but it made me jump.
So I've gone oh, like this and made that probably
a slight scream or you know, because I've just jumped.
You know, it's something jumps out on you. You jump,
and so it's like, oh, because I want expecting that,

(53:54):
even if it were a person stood behind that, it's
just surprised me. I've jumped. So I've kind of gone back,
you know, away from the window sill, and even though
my eyes are still adjusted so I can still see
what's happening out there, and what has happened is at

(54:16):
the moment, I haven't taken my eyes away from it.
While I've jumped. My eyes are still focused on this
thing that was staring right back at me. But as
I'm going back, it is going back so it's like
as if I've made that jump, I've shocked it by jumping,

(54:37):
and it's had the same impact on each other. Whether
it did that, I don't know, or whether it was
just copying my mannerism, you know what I mean. I
don't know, but I know what a bloody saw and
it wasn't human. So as I looking at it, I

(54:59):
kind of took it a lot little bit of a
stead I didn't want to go too close to glass,
but I'm a few inches away. I didn't want nose
to nose contact like I had before, but I were
a few inches away and I saw it. It was
going backwards, so it would it still got them dense

(55:20):
black eyes that are on me, that are looking directly
at me. Just as I'm looking directly at it, and
as it's going backwards, it's kind of making a slow
motion running motion. There's a wall about two feet away
from the window that I'm looking out of, and the

(55:44):
wall is about two feet igh two and half feet
eye and it's making this slow running motion, but it
never actually touched the wall to go over, But it
also looked like it was gliding at the same time.

(56:06):
It was just so bizarre it's so bizarre. I just
couldn't figure out how anyone or anything could make that
kind of movement. So as it's kind of landing, still
facing me, the entire body now is facing me, so

(56:28):
I could see then because of the wall is blocking
the bottom half of it, I can now say, just
below its knees, I'm now seeing a blue what looked
like a dark blue what we'd call a tight fitted
like a suit. Now at six year old, I can't

(56:51):
put a name of that. It's just a blue thing
that it's wearing, you know, and what looks like blue,
and this thing has got it's a rounded neck tight
fit in anyway, so it stops at what we call
the wrists. But at that six year old, I have

(57:12):
no idea what it is. But it's bloody blue, and
it's different to the rest of it, you know. It's
then I notice I'm kind of looking at it up
and down as it's looking at me, and it's then
I noticed the hands, Well is it a hand, I
don't know, but it's got these bloody long fingers and

(57:33):
the color of it is definitely gray. Same with the head,
and I just cannot say any kind of nose and
I'm like, what is this little thing? There is this
little thing that we call the mouth. What's that? I've

(57:54):
never seen a creature like it before? And it's got
his big head. Suddenly it turns. It's so fast the
way it turns, just outside after all that slow motion
it did, all of a sudden it went into an

(58:14):
ultra fast speed just to turn to face up the street.
Is this But because it hasn't done anything physically to me,
I am not traumatized. It's just made me jump. I'm surprised.
I'm in awe and I can't take my eyes off it.

(58:35):
Is this thing escape from zoo? What is it? But
as it's making now emotion like it's going to start running,
it's going to start running, I know it is. And
but as it's starting to run, it kind of leans
right over. The aid is still on level, looking at me.

(59:01):
It's not till its side out as it would be.
You know, when when a human bends over, you turn
your head, your head is on its side. With this thing,
it bent over, the head was still straight up and
it was looking at me. It then run, but it

(59:22):
was the way it frigging run. It was gliding but
making that run in motion again, just as it did
over the wall. It ran, it looked at me. Basically,
it was as if it could turn its head to
its face to the back, you know, as if it

(59:43):
could turn it all the way around. And it continued
to look at me as it run in this weird
sort of way and up past me neighbors until I
could no longer further sea beyond the window the corner
right to the end of the window. I've kind of

(01:00:03):
followed the window as far as the window could take
me to see where it were going. But because I
could only get near the end of my neighbor's house,
and then my vision stopped because obviously the windows not
wide enough, I can't tell you them which way it went.
Did it go down the back alleyway where I used

(01:00:24):
to sit with my bird, or did it go straight up?
Then this shock hit me. I had to shut them curtains.
I got scared. I were terrified. I were petrified. I
closed these curtains. It was then my mum said, what
you're doing, what you're doing in there, leave them curtains alone.

(01:00:45):
Everything kind of switched on. The noise came back, Everything
just carried on as normal as if this thing just
never happened. And that's all I can say about that,
because I can't figure out what else it could be.
But then as I got older, I realized, when I've

(01:01:08):
seen this figure in a book, I shout the book,
kind of burst out crying because I knew then that
this thing somebody else had actually seen it. You know,
this was like maybe what in mid twenties, when I
realized that that's kept that so quiet for that long,

(01:01:31):
you know, and that sad bit.

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Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
How are you doing? You right?

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
Fine, just get a bit motional over it. I know
it sounds bizarre now, somebody out there has had this
and is still going through it to this day and
it continues.

Speaker 4 (01:02:30):
How long was it before you started having these experiences
in in twenties?

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
Thirteen year old, I had a tube insertion with the
grays in my back and that was it was horrible.
It was, it was just horrible. I was sat on.
I think it was a craft because it was nothing
that I knew of at thirteen year old that looked
like anything that I'd ever seen here on earth, you know,

(01:02:58):
And do you want me to tell you only if
you want it right? I was thirteen year old thirteen,
I could have been fourteen. I know it was shortly
after the Jodi Woods incident where the craft was and
I'm with my friend and you know what I mean.
I know it was shortly after that, so I could
have been thirteen fourteen, I know, I want fifteen. So anyway,

(01:03:23):
I've gone to bed and I don't remember falling asleep.
I remember getting in bed, but I just don't remember
falling asleep. Now, whether I don't remember it might be
because it's irrelevant. But then all the remember is I'm sad.
I'm sad. What looks I can't figure it out whether

(01:03:44):
it looks metal I'm trying to look at it now.
I'm trying to look at side of me to work
out whether it looks metal but white metal, but then
it looks plastic at the same time. I can't figure
it out. Because I were a very skinny child, I
could fit another person next to me and perhaps two

(01:04:07):
behind me on what looks like one solid kind of
a bench. I can't see it being a table because
if it were a table, it'd be wider and it'd
be longer. So maybe this thing that I'm sat on
also is made for the size of adult, so that's

(01:04:32):
all I can think it is. And then I'm in
my night dress. I'm in my blue night dress and
it's got little flowers on it. It's a turquoise blue
night dress, and I love that night dress. And I'm
in it and it's got little flowers on and nothing

(01:04:54):
around me because it's in darkness. It's like as if
this light coming onto me, and I don't know where
this light is coming from. I can't lift my head
to see where it's coming from. I'm so weak and
my body just has no strength at all. Literally, my

(01:05:16):
head is resting practically on my chin is resting practically
on my chest because I have no strength to lift
my head up and it's down. But yet I can
see with my eyes. I can fully move my eyes,
but because my head's down, I can't move my eyes

(01:05:39):
any further than maybe two feet in front of me.
I can move outside. But this blackness at the side
of each side, and I can see that this light
is in kind of a circular but this summer in
front of me, and I don't know what it is.
I just do not know what this thing is. It's there.

(01:06:01):
I know it's there because it's blocking this circular light.
Is it in the circular light with me? I don't know,
but it's there. And then I can feel something in
my lower back. I didn't know what the word were it.
Then I'm thirteen fourteen, and what I can say now

(01:06:25):
it's my coxis because when I've pointed it out to people,
oh yeah, you're coxicks. But then that age, I didn't know.
I just called it bottoming me back above me boom,
you know, and I feel come forward. When when people
describe being stabbed, the don't actually feel they feel summer pushing,

(01:06:52):
but the don't actually feel that moment of it actually
going in but the field that pushing on the skin
because the blade is so fine, and that's what I
can I'm feeling. Do you get what I mean? It's
that I know when they said that, I know that's

(01:07:12):
what I felt. But then I'm also now feeling something
is inside May. Is whatever it is now that it
is fully inside May and the organs are touching it.
I can feel the organs are touching it. I don't

(01:07:34):
know what organs they are, but it's touching. It's the touching.
It could have been my kidneys could I don't know,
but the touching it now and again it's moving, so
I want to know. I want to know. It's starting
to ache a bit now it's not it's not painful.

(01:07:56):
It's not painful, but it's more of a dull It's
more a dull ache than anything else. But I still
want to know what it is. So I lift my
hand up, but I've no strength. I have no strength.
The resting. I've got my hands, my palms resting on

(01:08:17):
my knees. In reality, I've never sit in that position.
Why would I sit in that position? I don't. So
I've got my hands on my knees. I men easier
together and my right hand, I'm going to pull this
thing out, see what it is that's behind me, And

(01:08:39):
with all my mind and strength, I cannot get my
hand to lift off my knee. And eventually I do it.
I'm struggling by now because of all this thought and
all this energy, and it's draining me so much. I'm struggling, practically,

(01:09:00):
gasping for air. It's like I'm running for my life.
But I'm just sat down trying again some energy to
get me and drowned me back. And eventually my hand
comes off, and I'm slowly taking every mortal movement of

(01:09:21):
my hand and arm and back drains me that much more.
And eventually it feels such a long time. It might
have only took seconds, it might have took hours, I
don't know, but it felt like such a long time
forget my knee of that to me back. It's then

(01:09:44):
I feel something sticky, something warm, and something cold, and
I'm moving my fingers about. I'm moving them about. That
one that hard to do. For some reason, moving my

(01:10:05):
fingers about wasn't hard to do. It was the moving
from me knee to me back that was the hardest thing.
And so I can feel cold, I can feel wet,
I can feel sticky, I can feel warm, and now
I'm feeling something bone and long. And I realized then,

(01:10:29):
and I think I know that I know their fingers.
I know the fingers, and I know it well. I
wasn't frightened. I was just confused, but with having no energy,
it's short term confusion. It's a mellow confusion. And I realized,

(01:10:53):
and my fingers are now firing to my brain that
this that I'm feeling that's cold, it's a tube. The
bony thing that I'm feeling fingers, and the sticky warm
thing is blood. So this thing, and I know it's

(01:11:17):
to the left of me, at the back of me,
because while my chin's down, I can still slightly see
over me my shoulder. If you make that movement yourself,
you can still see there. But they stood behind me,
so I'm only seeing movement of whatever it is. Next minute,

(01:11:39):
I feel something take the top of my arm gently,
really gently. I don't even think they've grabbed me, and
I don't think they've grabbed me. And because I don't known,
i'd have felt it round my thumb, i'd have felt
it round my little finger and it's like they touch
the top of my arm and gently brought me right

(01:12:04):
arm forward and placed it back on my knee. I'm
then able to look at what they says. This thing
it's on top of my hand with my hand up
on my knee as not. It's different. It's definitely different.

(01:12:25):
It's got long fingers. I can't tell you whether there's
three or four. I can't say that. I can't. I can't.
It's not gray, it's a brownie color, and it's and
the fingers are really wrinkled. But it's still not registering.

(01:12:47):
I know that they're different, I know what they look like.
That's it, so I'm not traumatized at that moment. Whatever
it does, it puts its hand back and continue who
was messing about at the base of my spine. I
can feel unmoving. I can feel this thing moving inside

(01:13:09):
me again, like touching the organs is such a weird feeling.
And I'm going to get this thing. I want to
know where it is. I want to know what this
thing is. And with all my strength, I'm building it
up again, building it up, building it up, and my
will powers getting stronger. I need to know and I

(01:13:32):
lift now both hands, which took me to the point
of gasping for air because my hands are taking all
that energy, and they eventually get my hands round the back,
both of my hands around back of me. I'm now

(01:13:52):
feeling these boney, long things again and I'm fine. So
it's like I'm fighting with myself with your own energy,
but I'm also fighting with the whatsever behind me, what
they're doing to me. And I remember having my hand

(01:14:13):
on this bony thing which I knew was the same
as what that were on my knee, holding my hand down,
placing it back down and right and grabbed this thing
which I can now say was the shape of a tube.

(01:14:34):
Now you've got a bear in mind that your fingers
actually magnify, magnify things. You can pick some up. Your
fingers actually magnify it. But when you look at it,
it's small, but it does that because it can get
the feel of whatever it's got in its hands in

(01:14:56):
your hands. Then I'm trying to pull the thing out.
It's there in my back. I want it out. I
want it out, and something, some kind of emotion takes
over me where I feel I have got to get
this out, and I'm pulling and pulling, and whatever it

(01:15:16):
is is pushing and pushing. So as I'm trying to
pull it out, whatever it is is trying to push
it in. And next minute this I recognize this feeling again.
It's got my hands. It's resting its hands on top
of mine, and it's bringing them forward again again, but

(01:15:37):
this time it's two hands on my two hands. Now
the hands are now crossed over, so it's put my
left arm on my right knee and my right arm
on my left knee, so my wrists are now crossed
over and these hands on top of each hand. What

(01:16:00):
I'm looking at I've clicked. I was just absolutely traumatized
with what I'm looking at. The wrist, the arm, the fingers.
I still can't tell you whether these three or our
fingers that there. They're a brown knie color. Again. The mottled,
the rinklay, really wrinklay, not deep rinks, lots of little

(01:16:25):
wrinkly things, not deep at all, just little wrinkles everywhere
what we call the palm of a zand don't look
like it as a palm. It's like as if the
fingers and then these it kind of just goes up
and then to kind of a wrist if we can
call it a wrist, and these long arms. But I

(01:16:48):
can't tell you if these arms are covered with anything.
I can't tell you what color. I'm just focusing on
the hands, but and the wrist. But the arms, I
know that there. I can see him the skinner, but
they've got to be the same color as the hands.
Unless the covered I don't know. I can't. It's fuzzy.

(01:17:11):
That bit is fuzzy, and I'm now fighting with all
my strength. I've got to get away from this. I've
got to get away from it. Boom, I'm awake. I
sit up booth. I'm in bed, and I sit up
straight away, and my grandma is at the bed. It's
right outside of me. Because here I live in a

(01:17:34):
one bedroom mouse so I've got my single bed and
my grandma's bed double bed at the side of me.
There's a space so we can get up to walk
the bathroom, you know, whatever we're doing. And as I
sat up, it's like, I say, I felt like I've
gone booth, landed on the bed. I've sprung up and

(01:17:55):
I'm wide awake, and I say to me Anne that
something didn't feel I but I'd forgotten what I've just
taken place. And I said to me, noam, I'm off
to toilet. It's a natural thing when you get up
in the morning. I'm off to toilet. So as I
get this out of bed and i'm walking, my grandma said,

(01:18:16):
I think you better go at toilet. I don't think
she'd heard what I'd originally said, because she was a
bit deaf. I think you better go at toilet. You've
come on your period, all right. I know that when
I started my period at twelve, and I know the
pain that I got days before I started cramps, everything

(01:18:42):
back ache, the lot. So when I stood up and
she said that, and I felt it, don't feel like
I'm on a period. As I'm walking on, you've got
blood all the way up in night dress. I'm a
bit embarrassed. It's my grandma, you know. I didn't want
my grandma, you know that in your old seeing me
like that. So it goes to the bathroom. Does what

(01:19:07):
I have to do? Absolutely no blood whatsoever. That yeah,
I could feel sticky where I mean night he had been.
It's sticky as if it's dry the dry now, you know,
like blood would dry out. And I thought, well, it's
forgetting that what I've just gone through. What is it

(01:19:30):
a come on the period? Now, we had this cabinet
in bathroom. It were a plastic, hideous thing and you
could put these tooth brushes and cup and you know,
and it had a glass. It had a mirror that
you opened up. And we had a little stool so
that when I brushed my teeth when I was younger,
the stool were forever there. Even when my grandma passed,

(01:19:52):
it was just there. So when I were younger, I
had stand up buffets so I could see to brush
my teeth. So I thought, well, as I twisted my
night dress around and I could see this blood on
my night dress, I knew it want me period, that's
for sure. So I stood on this buffet. I thought, right,
I love look in the mirror. I love looking the mirror.

(01:20:15):
I lifted my night dress up. And what I saw
at this moment, as I'm looking over my shoulder in
a mirror, when my night dress kind of hanging over
my shoulders. Bottom of my night dress, I saw what
looked like three scratches separate all same distance from the

(01:20:36):
top of my neck going down to the all the
way down the center of my bottom of my back,
so all the way down my back, these three scratches.
I have no nails at all, and used to bite them,
so I had to grow. And so I knew it

(01:20:57):
wasn't me, It wasn't a cat, it wasn't any of that.
It was just so not normal. So around these three
scratches down my back, it looked like they will add
like little when scabs start to form, so they're like
partially partially brown, but that's dry and blood in it.

(01:21:22):
And then but there wasn't there looked more like a
few days old rather than a few hours old. I
then kind of stood on my tiptoes. I thought, well,
where the end? Where is the end of these scratches.
So I kind of pushed the buffet a little bit

(01:21:42):
further out and stood on my tiptoes so I could
get a clearer angle and a wider vision through the mirror.
It's then that I noticed this blood around this thing
that was in back last night. Boom, everything just come
back to me. Everything just come back to me. At

(01:22:06):
that moment, I felt did it? I felt sick, I
felt weak. All the memory of what happened this time
when I'm feeling this. I get my finger and I'm
going like that on the ole. It is a whole.
I don't know how deep this whole on because I
was that horrified. The weed probably of the index finger.

(01:22:31):
It might have been slightly smaller, but it won't as
small as my small finger. This hole, and I don't
know how far it went in because it were a
quick feel around edge and my fingertips slightly went in
and that were it. I freaked out. I couldn't show
me emotion when I went out of pulled my night

(01:22:52):
dress on down and if I we were going to bedroom,
go get changed, you know, I'll get me clothes, go
back in the bathroom. Whatever. I could not show my
grandma what had happened, what I felt, what were going through.
But I just had to pretend to be normal. How
do you pretend to be normal when something like that's

(01:23:13):
just happened. It's there, it's in my head, it's raw,
it's raw of this day at fifty year old. And
as I went in that bedroom to get me clothes
to go back into the bathroom, all my grandma said
was did you come on your period? Then I went yeah, yeah,

(01:23:36):
she so you know, you're going to get started out
them sort of words. Yeah, I'm going to bathroom now
you know it was them sort it with that conversation,
but yeah, it was that. And I sat downstairs all
that day, just dinner days. I could not shake what

(01:23:56):
had just gone on. I just couldn't shake it off
at all all day to the point where it probably
didn't that feeling probably didn't wear off for a fair
few days. And then you know, I got out playing
with my friends and distractions, and we've got friends that

(01:24:17):
we can play out where, you know, can play ide
and seek, play ball, skipping, whatever we want to do,
because if we didn't have them distractions at thirteen year
old for what I just went through. So that's all
I can say about that. These things have knowledge and
meaning and they're all connected. It's like a trying to

(01:24:40):
put a jigsaw together, but you can never find that
end piece.

Speaker 4 (01:24:44):
You know, everyone's account is a different piece of a jigsaw. Yeah,
anyone listening out there, what would you suggest that I've
had similar experiences like this.

Speaker 1 (01:24:54):
Got to learn to put it in a box. It's
took me a long while to segregate normal life with
that the other life where these things are involved, and
you've got to learn to segregate and put it somewhere.
It will open on it so now and again and
release and you will get upset. That's human. It's human

(01:25:15):
farm of getting things out his system, but is also
finding a way to put a lid on that box
so you can bring it out when you want to
without feeling traumatized by your memories. That's it.

Speaker 5 (01:25:30):
I really appreciate you coming on today paul and sharing
that for our listeners.

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:25:35):
That is all over today. Keep updated and connected with
me on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram. And if you have
an encounter that you would like to share on the podcast,
you can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot
com or head on over to my website at UFO
Chronicles podcast dot com and hit me up via the
contact page. There a very special thank you to Paula

(01:25:57):
for sharing for us, and thank you for listening. I
will be back next Sunday. Till then, stay safe and
keep watching the skies.

Speaker 2 (01:26:05):
Goodbye,

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