Ep.141 UFO's Over Peterborough (Throwback)

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Tonight's guest is Max, from Peterborough in the UK, sharing a series of events that happened to him and his family several years ago. Cylinder shaped UFO seen while walking in woods, red balls of light, shadow figures experienced in the house and several other strange encounters. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
You'll be away five seventeen. Do you want to report
a UFO hanging in? We don't want to report every
thirty one. Do you wish to report a.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
UFO over hey, we want to one.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Of those areas thirty one. Do you wish to find
a report of any kind of it? I wouldn't know
what kind of reports clouds.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
Time areas thirty one me neither there were self. If
it was anybody a U above us to pass us,
like thirty seconds ago, we were sending one top of
golf negative, okay of f the UFO. Yeah, it's murder
two nine o'clock.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yes, I'll passed over.

Speaker 4 (00:42):
God.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
I don't know what it was, but it's from at
least to three thousand feet above us.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
See, I passed out over the top of us.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
Ninety one one.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
You just called both to be be fours. They're after
staying the airplanes, he.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
S she to God.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Calm in on an unidentified object every liberty four call
or calm on an unidentified flying object.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
All Welcome to UFO Chronicles, a place where people share
their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had
an encounter, I would like to be on the show.
You can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com.

(01:48):
Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. Wherever in the
world you are joining us from, I hope you're all
doing okay. Tonight's guest is Max from Peterborough in the UK,
sharing his and his family's UFO encounters that began in
twenty fourteen. Max up next. If you enjoy listening to

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Speaker 1 (02:32):
Show to continue running.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
Now on with the show. Welcome to the show, Max,

(02:55):
Thank you thanks for having me. Nick call in from
Peterborough in the UK. Ye, your experience and your famili's
began in twenty fourteen. Would you like to begin there please?

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Sure? So. It was in September late September early October
of twenty fourteen. I wish i'd have kept a diary,
but I don't have the exact date, and it's been
some years now, but it all started one night when
my daughter and our next door neighbor's daughter, they were
good friends. They don't live here anymore, they've moved now,

(03:28):
but they were outside the front of the house one night,
about eleven o'clock and they had witnessed a bunch of
spheres of light balls of light in the sky, low
in the sky outside, making formations and patterns and then
shooting off at crazy speeds. So I was in bed

(03:52):
at sleep at the time, and my daughter didn't want
to wake me up and tell me, but I wish
she had because I would have loved to have seen those.
So she told me the next day, and I thought
that was cool. Okay, I wonder what that was. And
I really had no interest in the subject prior to
any of this happening, so I just thought cool, weird.

(04:14):
So it was either that night or the next night.
I was working really late into the night, and it
was about four o'clock in the morning when really tired,
I decided, you know, to wrap up, and I popped
outside to have a cigarette. Before I was going to
head up to bed to go to sleep, and as

(04:36):
I was sitting on a garden chair with my back
against the fence, my house is to my left, I'm
looking up at the beautiful, clear night sky. It was
one of those nights where there wasn't a cloud in
the sky. It was really cold. I remember that, and
I'm looking up thinking, how, you know, beautiful the stars are,

(04:57):
And just at that moment is when there was a
double flash of white light that really lit the sky up.
And the double flash of light was in quick succession.
It was a really kind of boom boom double flash
of light, and I immediately think lightning. But then I thought, well,
there's there's no clouds in the sky, there's no humidity

(05:20):
at all. It was just freezing cold, so how can
that be lightning? And just as I was thinking that,
there was another again, another double flash of white light.
So I've looked straight up above me and about it's
hard to guess, but maybe eighty one hundred feet up

(05:40):
there were these two balls of white light, side by side,
traveling from behind me to my front, forward facing and
they double flashed again, and of course I'm thinking straight
away what the hell are these but it must be
what my daughter saw. I don't know what they are.
They're not a thing that I can, you know, reasonably

(06:02):
think of what it could be. There's just as I'm confused,
and what the hell these things turn at and they
make a right angle turn to my left, which is
heading in a southerly direction, and they just break left
and shoot off so tremendously fast. They left like a

(06:22):
trace line, like a ghosting effect, just super fast. So
I've got up and ran through the house to the
front of the house in the direction they traveled, knowing
that you know, at that speed they're going to they're
going to be gone. But I ran out there looking
around in the in the sky hoping to see something more,
and there was nothing. I thought they'd gone. Now that

(06:45):
was super cool. I'll tell my daughter I'd seen what
they'd seen the night before. So so as I'm out there,
I know it was about ten past four, because I
know I looked at my time on my phone it
was about ten past four. And I hung around for
a good five to ten minutes before I gave up
hope and see anything more Sons house and closed the

(07:08):
front door, pulled up the handle turned, the key locked it,
and as I turn around to go upstairs to come
up to bed. This is where it's really difficult to
describe properly in words, but I was hit struck with
something that I've never experienced before or since. It can

(07:31):
only really be described as telepathy, telepathic instruction. It was
something that was clearly not coming from myself but entered
my mind, and my mind translated it into words, an
instantaneous kind of smack in the brain of don't close

(07:55):
the door, go outside and look up. And I was
in shock because I recognized it as being completely unique,
so shocking that I just turned around and did just that.
I opened the door, and I stepped outside and looked up.

(08:15):
And as I did that, from over the roof, directly
over the roof of the house, a huge golden colored
fiery plasma, y big as a bus easily object moved
out from over the roof over above me and stopped

(08:38):
absolutely silently. The thing easily thirty to forty feet across.
In what appeared because of the effects that I was seeing,
it appeared almost like a horizontal diamond shape. But the
reason I say diamond shape is because from the center
or emanating from the center. Were these shards of light

(09:02):
from the center vertically above and below it, so it
gave that impression of a diamond shape, even though now
I may possibly disk. So it was so absolutely beautiful
and shocking, to say the least, everything in this moment.
It all happened so fast, so to put it into words,

(09:22):
it was more than just the sight of this thing.
As I stepped out over the front door underneath it,
the air was extremely electrified, absolutely huge amount of static.
And I say that because all of the hair on
my body stood on end instantly, and that wasn't through.

(09:43):
It wasn't like, you know, hair on the back of
the neck standing up from being freaked out. And it
wasn't that. I mean, even the hairs on my toes,
you know. I specifically remember looking down at my left
arm because my headd on and so bad all over,
and I had this intense tingling running up and down

(10:04):
my spine, up over my scalp. It was literally just
an incredible amount of tingles and static and shock and
awe all at once. It was absolutely silent, pin drops silent.
I could hear myself breathe, and it felt completely intimate
so the overwhelming feeling was a mix of love. It

(10:27):
felt like it was being projected upon me. I felt
tears in my eyes with joy and love mixed with
the shock, but also an overwhelming feeling of being watched.
It was It felt as if whatever it did, you
know to me to tell me to come outside to
see it. It was as if that connection was never

(10:49):
broken for those moments, because it felt like I was
being like I was connected and being intimately observed, an
intimate connectedness with this thing watching me, observing me, knowing
everything that's going on in my mind. It felt like
it knew what I was thinking, but not just this
is not an after thought of it. I felt a

(11:11):
little bit like that. This was almost like a knowing.
I know that's subjective, but that's that's what happened. That's
how it felt. Certainly, so, this object, as big as
it was if I'd have held my hand up in
front of at arm's length, in front of my face,
this thing engulfed that easily way bigger it was. If

(11:32):
I had to guesstimate a height, if I'm in a
regular two story house, you know in England with not
very big houses, If you put one of these houses
on top of itself, so meter ridge, you know, I
don't know, eighty feet something like that, about five stories up,
four or five stories up with a roof on. And

(11:53):
you know, it was such a complex mix of emotions
and feelings, physical and emotional and shock an awe. But
this thing, the majesty of it was just mind blowing. Right.
So I stood there for a moment and my head
is a mouth hanging, jaw dropping, can't believe what I'm seeing,

(12:13):
what's happening. And then it suddenly dawns on me that
this amount of static, for a start, is this even safe?
Number two? I think, you know, my god, somebody else
has got to see this. I can't be the only
one to be left with this without being able to
prove it. All of these human traits of got somebody

(12:34):
else's got to see this. But it grab someone's attention,
I thought, should I? At one point, I thought, should
I scream and shout into the house, try and wake
people up? Should I scream and shout to the neighbors.
I looked around. There wasn't anybody, no lights on, no
sound of cars, just dead silence. I thought about run
running into the house, run up the stairs try and

(12:55):
wake up my girlfriend or my daughter. None of this
stuff felt appropriate, and again, just like the feeling of
love and man joy, it felt like it just felt
completely inappropriate to do that. It felt like this is
personal and I'm not supposed to do that. But it
was still at this moment, I did consider the phone

(13:18):
in my pocket, because if I'm not going to run
inside and wake people up, if I'm not going to shout,
or maybe if this is dangerous in some way, I
just don't know what I'm dealing with here. I then thought,
my phone is in my top left breast pocket of
my jacket that I was wearing. And just as I
thought about my phone to get video or photo, this
thing started to move left. And it instantly felt as

(13:42):
if I'd messed up, as if I'd broken the moment
by being making it a shallow moment of wanting to
take a picture on it. I know it's crazy, because
I regret to this day that I didn't. But this
thing started to move left, and I said no, no, no, no,
don't go. I didn't want this moment to end, and

(14:02):
so I started to walk under it and it started
to speed up. So I went from a walk to
a jog to running. It started to curve to the
right and started to go faster and faster and higher
and higher at the same time. So I've run down
the road, ran over to the right, I've ran into
a dead end, a terraced bunch of houses. I know

(14:22):
that it's going now, it's not stopping, it's not coming back.
So I stood back and just watched it as it
got higher and faster and further away up into the sky,
until it literally got so small and gone out of sight.
So I was absolutely I now know I was in complete.
I couldn't process it. It was so bizarre, so bizarre

(14:45):
and unbelievable even for me. And so I've come into
the house pacing around just in disbelief, wondering if I'd
gone completely mad, but I knew it was real. I
waited because I knew that my girlfriend was going to
get up for work. She was working as a carer
at the time. She had to be up super early anyway,

(15:07):
I know, five, five thirty six am or something like that.
Now I know that I looked at the time after
it all it was all gone, and it was what
twenty to five or something like that, so the whole
thing probably only lasted half hour from start to finish,
even though none of it seemed when I, you know,

(15:27):
run it back through everything that happened, it didn't seem
like a whole half hour, like not an awful lot
happened in that time. But yet you know, in terms
of the would drag out for half an hour, but
no missing time, nothing like that what I can account for.
So so I'm waiting for my girlfriend to come downstairs,
and I'm absolutely terrified that I don't know how to

(15:49):
explain it to her. Where to begin. I didn't have
the words for it, and I choked up, and I
was just a jumbled mess. When I tried to speak,
I was just sumbled mess. I was so strung out.
I was in tears. And I'm lucky and glad say
that she's a good, a good woman. And she could

(16:10):
see the mess I was in, and she gave me
a hug, and I you know, I saw a little
creep of her disbelief in her face, but she hugged
me regardless and said, look, it's okay, it's okay. I
believe you. And and so I stayed up. I couldn't sleep.
I remember laying in bed and like my whole world
had just changed, because suddenly it's as if magic is real.

(16:32):
It felt so angelic, alien, magical, so bizarre, it's so unique.
It's something which if you're that close to something like that,
if it interacts with you like that, there's no going back.
You've crossed the line. You never go back to your
life before. If you now know that these things are real,

(16:53):
whatever they are, and there's no denying it, there's no
more room for any skepticism. So what happened is, of
course I the next night, I stay awake. I'm not
going to go asleep now because I'm hoping that maybe
it will come back. I tried to convince my girlfriend
to stay awake. She said that if I if it

(17:17):
comes back, call her and she will come downstairs. But
she didn't because it came back at about the same time,
not over the house, not over this house. I was
pacing back and forward, back and forward, front door, back door,
looking around the sky, and I said, about twenty past four,

(17:37):
just before the crack of dawn. We're talking about those
twilight hours, just as the night turns in today, that
hint of blue comes. I was at the door, and
suddenly it appears over to my right, moving again from
north to south, but it's come into view and it

(17:58):
must have been a little bit lower at the same
high and I reckon that it was over the house
the first night, but it was about one hundred meters away,
maybe one hundred and fifty meters away, so it was moving,
gliding very low over people's rooftops. And I've watched this thing,
and I again the moment you see it, this thing

(18:18):
is so awesome that you're just gobsmacked. You're just you
can't take your eyes off it. You don't want to
miss a beat, not a second, because it's so beautiful.
And I wondered, should I recall or call her? And
I ended up trying to call my girlfriend to wake
her up frantically actually, and eventually she's answered, this thing's

(18:41):
done a left turn, as if on a right angle,
as if turning on a diamond, as they say. So
it's moved away, turned the left, and now it's heading
from my right cross to my left in front of me.
And I've called her. She's answered, and I'm saying, baby, Tia,
you've got to come down, You've got to come down. Now,

(19:01):
and she was far too tired, and I'm too tired.
I can't and I'm like, oh man, and I think
I came inside to grab her. I can't remember if
I ran into the bedroom or not, or if I
just watched it go up. That's a bit of a
It basically went up to the same part of the sky.
I can't remember if I ran upstairs first or not,

(19:22):
but it ended up going higher and higher, up to
the same point in the eastern sky. So the third
night is when I was absolutely going to make damn sure,
because I couldn't be left to be the only one
to see this by myself and forever wonder if I've
seen things, because obviously you go through all of this
disbelief yourself first. And so I made sure that she

(19:43):
would get up, go to bed earlier, get up earlier
so that she could be with me. And she did.
And so she was at that point as I'm pacing
back and forward, back and forward. And it was a
little bit later this time. I think it was like
half fourd twenty five to five am, and she she
was making coffee. Remember, she was stirring coffee in the kitchen.
I'm at the back garden and suddenly it appears, but

(20:06):
this time it's come again, moving from north to south,
but it came down in the opposite direction of the sky,
and I remember the sky was turning quite blue from
dark night, and it came down what formed eventually like
a V shape. So it came down from much higher
up and came right down low to about the same

(20:26):
height over the rooftops in the distance, about one hundred
and fifty meters away, maybe two hundred meters instantly, recognizable, instantly,
without fail, and it came to a complete stop, moved
down and stopped. So I've called her, she's run outside,
picked her up to see over the fence line, and
as we're staring at it for a good six to

(20:47):
ten seconds, it just sits there stationary and then zip
lines up, zip lines up in that V formation shape, down, stop,
and back up to in a sub east east and
southerly direction, and I think we ran out to the
front to watch it again. It goes up to the
same point in the sky a pie, you know, just

(21:08):
get smaller and smaller until it's just completely disappeared out
of sight in the distance distant sky. So I was
extremely relieved that she had seen it too, because you know,
her words were something like, wow, at the moment you
see it, it's it's beautiful. And I think I missed
a bit of a description off of this thing, because

(21:29):
it's really really important to know exactly what this thing
looked like. It it was like clearly a solid object,
but these shards of light shooting out from the top
and the bottom and from the sides somewhat but around
the edging, around the edges of it, it was like
a moving plasma. And it was so super bright that

(21:51):
it should have hurt my eyes, because that's what's strange
about it is that it was a tant amount of
looking directly at the sun, right but it didn't burn
my eyes. It was almost almost easy to look at,
even though logically you're thinking it shouldn't be and anything
that bright you would expect would just light up the

(22:13):
whole area. But I don't remember that being the case.
I have no recollection of being lit up, and so
what's the deal with that. I can't make it out.
So the edging of this the edging of this object
moving like plasma and almost like as if it was
setting the air on fire around the edging beyond the edging,

(22:38):
so as if plasma was setting the air on fire.
It was more golden tinged towards the edges and white
in the center, but yellowy golden with these shards of
light and moving plasma and almost flames flickering beyond the edging.
That's the best way I can describe it. And so,

(22:59):
like I say, these first three nights were amazing, life changing,
just completely changed everything for me. It was so beautiful
and so incredible, just wonderful, just absolutely wonderful. Ran the
whole telepathy thing to this day. It changed that in
it itself changes everything because when you realize that your mind,

(23:22):
your brain, your consciousness, however you want to put it,
is capable of receiving at least whether through for whatever,
through whatever, means that it's achieved. We're all capable of it.
Because it was instant knowledge, instant instruction. No need to
clumsily like I am trying to find words in a

(23:44):
language to describe things laboriously and slowly. This was instantaneous,
a packet of information. It's amazing. You never want to
do anything but any other way, I think language holds
us back in a way, because if we could do that,
then you know it would just be incredible for the

(24:04):
human race. Anyway, So those first three nights, I wish
that it had just stopped there, I really do, because
after that things began to get a little bit freaky
and scary at times. So there was a definite feeling
in the air after that. And so a few days later,

(24:27):
it was a very, very windy night. It was gale
force winds. Almost our fence was blown over on one
side at one point, it was that strong the wind
in October sometime, so I'm driving down the road at
the back of our house, and as I'm driving along
at night, I just happened to glance up to my
left and I noticed that there was a ball of

(24:52):
red light that was just in an odd position because
I know that there's nothing, no buildings or anything back
there where it was, and so I've noticed that just
as I hit the roundabout coming up to it, and
I knew that on the other side of the roundabout
was a little place I could stop the car off
the road, so I did that immediately. I took a

(25:12):
double take. I'm looking at this thing all the while
thinking what is that? Why is it there? Pulled up
and I'm keeping my eye on this thing, this ball
of red light. I get out of the car around
to the front of the bonnet to look at it,
realize that my coat, my jacket has my phone in

(25:33):
it on the passenger seat. So I come around the
other side and open that door, keeping my eye on
it the whole time, figuring out what am I seeing.
And I knew that there were high tension power lines
back there. It literally runs along a railway track and
nothing but really low buildings on the other side. This
thing was well above that, above the power lines, and

(25:56):
so I've reached into the open the car door, reached
in grabbed my phone. Just as I get my hands
on the phone whilst still looking at it, this thing
just blinks out. It just one minute's there and then
it just shuts down, like gone instantly. It's almost as
if whatever this thing was, it just doesn't or didn't
want to be filmed. It didn't want it, It just

(26:17):
just didn't want it to happen. So that was that
for the point in time. And I think quite a
while had gone past where I thought I'd seen some
balls of light messing around in the sky, and we're
not talking about highlight satellites. I know what satellites look like.

(26:38):
Nothing like that. We're talking about low down little balls
of light that would just slow down, speed up, change direction,
do U turns, just shoot off quite quite obviously not
normal stuff. At one point I ordered a night vision,
a very cheap night vision goggle thing to try to
record them. I caught one doing a U but I

(27:00):
was shaking, freezing cold in the garden that night, so
the image is terrible, but it's still clearly visible that
the thing does a U turn anyway, So I think
it was a matter of a couple of months had
gone past since the ball of red light over the
power lines, and one night me and my girlfriend were

(27:21):
in the back garden before bed. I think it was
around midnight, just before just after, around eleven to one am,
something like that, and we were just sitting in two
chairs next to each other, with our backs against the
house directly in front of us. At the far end
of the garden. We had wooden paneling which had huge
gaps in between so that you can see straight through

(27:43):
the gaps clearly. You can see what's on the other side.
If somebody was walking by, you'd be able to see it.
You see them clearly, see the trees through there. And
this is the first time it got nasty or negative
out of the blue. As we were sitting there talking,

(28:05):
we both felt it at the exact same time as
if a cloud had fell over us, just dropped on us. Instantly,
everything went silent. The feeling of being watched, the claustrophobic
feeling of dread of something really bad fell over us
at once same time, and we stopped talking. She looked

(28:29):
at me, I looked at her, and she knew something
was not good happening. And just as this began to
freak us out, because at this point the hair on
the back of my neck really did stand up from
this feeling, we had very loud, over emphasized loud, unnaturally

(28:52):
loud footsteps boom from both the left and the right
side of the fence. Everything silent, these booms, boom, boom,
footsteps left right, approaching the gaps in the fence. The
footsteps continued. They got so close to where we should
be able to see clearly whatever is making these really loud,

(29:17):
booming footsteps that she got so scared, my girlfriend, she
got up some sorry, baby, I can't She ran indoors,
scared out of her wits, and I've got to admit
I froze solid in place on that chair. And I
got angry because it was almost, you know, trying to
test my resolve, and I'm not going to run away.

(29:41):
I'm going to get angry, and so I gritted my teeth,
yelling come on, and these footsteps came into be visible.
Now there's gaps in the fence. They're right there in
front of me, and there's nothing there. There was absolutely
nothing there, and yet something's making these huge, booming footsteps.

(30:01):
I sat there, just staring, scared the yelp. Nothing happened,
nothing was visible. The feeling lifted as quick as it dropped.
I stood there, I walked over. I looked over the fence.
No footsteps, no sounds had run away. The regular noises
came back, you know, just the background noises of things,

(30:24):
and there's nothing there. Later, we've both said to each other,
why on earth didn't we look up or look around?
You know? But I wish I could go back and
relived those moments, knowing what I know now. So that
wasn't nice at all, But in hindsight, it felt like

(30:45):
a test. It felt like a test, testing me out,
testing us out, see what we'd do. I don't know
how else to understand that moment.

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So then what happened is a few months went past,
couple of months went past. It was my baby, Blake
at the time, was born, spent five weeks in intensive care,
and he was born seventeenth from March twenty fifteen, So
we're talking about some months had gone past since October,
September October all the way through to the follow year.

(32:00):
And my son, who was then fourteen, my oldest son,
had come and moved in with us. He had only
been here for a couple of days, and I used
to take walks over the back of behind our home.
We have a road over the back of that we
have fields which are pretty isolated and it continues out

(32:22):
for quite some way towards Stamford and so on. Quite
nice to take walks in and there's some woods, so
I used to go out there a lot to take
walks and so on all the time. So this particular
day was about one o'clock in the afternoon and I
said to my then fourteen year old son Corbyn, why
don't we take a walk, we have a chat catch up,

(32:43):
you know. So we've gone over to the back, gone
inwards and like I did all the time, we you know,
we go off the road. He walk down across the
field and just as I was about to walk into
the woodline consider this daylight, suddenly that feeling that I'd

(33:05):
only felt before in the garden that I just described,
a sudden feeling of unnatural, like completely overwhelming feeling of
dread and being observed, that close claustrophobic feeling of being watched.
It feels so different to anything you've ever experienced in

(33:26):
normal life, and it's just completely bizarre. It just fell
on me out of the blue. I hadn't said anything
for those three or four five seconds, I'm thinking, you know,
what the hell is going on. I'm looking into the
woodline and seeing if there's something in there. I couldn't

(33:48):
see anything. And I think it was my son that
said at first that do you feel that? Because he
felt it too, I said, do you feel it too?
I remember him saying he doesn't like it. And as
we were stood there and I'm trying to figure out
where the danger is coming from, because I was expecting
something bad to happen. The way it feels, that feeling

(34:11):
of being watched had a direction, as if it was
boring A hole in the back of my head suddenly
had a direction, as if I was being watched from
up to my right. So I suddenly turned my head
looking up to where it's coming from. It was up
in the sky, and just as I turned my head,

(34:34):
there was a I caught the tail end of what
looked like something that almost absorbed light. It was so black,
almost blacker than black object in the sky. Cylinder shape
darted behind the only puffy white cloud in the sky.
And it was a really cold day that day, big

(34:57):
blue sky, no clouds except this one. It was almost
like a cartoon esque, the way that this big, puffy,
perfect cloud was just one sitting there in the gusty wind,
but not really moving, and this thing darted behind it.
So I'm staring up at this cloud thinking, you know,
what did I just see? And I'm waiting for it

(35:19):
to come out the other side, thinking plane, aeroplane, jumbo, jet, fighter,
hot air balloon, everything you can possibly tick off as well.
Why is it not coming out the other side? Did
I just see what? I know? I just saw what
was Then I've said to him, did you just see that? Corbyn?

(35:40):
He said, yeah, I saw it. Yeah, And I said
what did you see? And I'm still keeping my eyes
on that cloud? He said it was like a can,
like a cylinder, a black or a dark cylinder, cylindrical object.
I remember saying we need to get out of here.

(36:03):
It felt dangerous. It felt really dangerous that we need
to go as quick as we can. I remember grabbing
him to move out of there. I don't specifically remember
the walk back. What happened next was the next day.
I was alone in the house. I know it was morning,

(36:26):
around eleven am. My little baby Blake was asleep on
the sofa, busy, maybe on my phone or something while
he slept, and he stirred and started to cry as
I stood up to pick him up off the sofa.
I picked him up, and out of my right eye
the corner of my eye I noticed movement which drew

(36:49):
my attention. I turned my head and in between in
the doorway itself between our kitchen and the living room
I was in, it was a three dimensional shadow figure,
semi translucent, dark figure of a small person. I could
clearly see head, shoulders, torso I didn't look. I didn't

(37:14):
get enough attention onto the lower part. But this thing
was just over halfway up the doorframe, about the size
of a id, say now a six year old child.
It was moving kind of back and forward, leaning back
and forward between the doorway, and I jumped out of
my skin because this thing was not a shadow on
the wall. This thing was a three dimensional shadow standing

(37:38):
there in the doorway. And as I my heart literally
skipped a beat. It surprised me so much. I jumped
and it zoomed across the room. It didn't run in
the way that you'd expect a person to run. I
didn't see any bobbing up and down. It was extremely smooth,

(37:58):
and it seemed to glide across the room quite fast,
like say I jumped out of my skin, crossed my
chest like what the hell? And it doesn't make any
sense to me, But I literally kind of brushed it off.
I just didn't want to think about it because it
felt like we were being almost inundated with what you

(38:22):
can only pigeonhole as paranormal, you know stuff. It was
getting scary, and it felt it felt intrusive. It felt
completely out of my control, and to be honest, it
was unnerving me and confusing me, like what the hell
was going on. What happened is the next day because

(38:42):
my son was out that night, it stayed out. He
was getting totally freaked out. I mean, after the walk
we had near the winds that day, he wanted to
stay up and want to be here. I was upstairs
because I hadn't spoken to him yet. I hadn't talked
to him or told him about that thing in the
living room. I know. I told my told her everything.
So he comes running up the stairs saying, Dad, scared

(39:06):
out of his wits, saying I was just doing my
hair in the living room. We had a mirror in
there that faced the reflection. If you're stood in front
of that mirror would look towards where that thing was
the doorway to the kitchen and living room. He said,
I was just doing my hair in the mirror, and
this dark shadow thing just ran across the room right
behind me. So it was another one of those moments

(39:30):
of Okay, it's not me, it's not just me. I
haven't just imagined this. I haven't even told him about it,
and he's just seen the exact same thing in our house. Later,
he had experiences in this house of doors opening and closing.
He had a friend in this room that I'm talking
to from right now. He told me really really upset.

(39:51):
One night he wanted to stay out. He told me
he didn't want to be in this house because it's haunted.
He said that him and his friend were in this room,
the handle of the door was moving up and down,
and they sat there scared out of their wits as
the door came open fully by itself. No one else
was in the house, and they went out to his
and all throughout this period of time, it put a

(40:13):
lot of pressure on this relationship with my son because
he was scared to come home. He didn't want to
come home. He was really freaked out, and I didn't
pay enough attention to the things he was telling me,
because I was just trying to live in denial. I guess,
even while all of this was happening, you still try
and just ignore it and get on with things because

(40:33):
it's just too much. So that's kind of I had
a sleep paralysis moment. But I said to you earlier, Nick,
I'd never had one before or since, and it happened
during that whole time period. I think it was just
a couple of days after the shadow figure in the house.
I understand that I was really stressed, so it could

(40:55):
be dismissed clearly. Obviously, could be dismissed as understress. But
I fell asleep on the sofa one night, not meaning
to with the lights on fully, and I woke up
in an absolute panic, in that feeling of dread again,
with a very clear knowledge that something was or some things,

(41:18):
because it felt like more than one just staring at
me from my left side, and I was too scared
to move my head left to look, and so I
called for help and forced myself to ignore it and
go back to sleep. So that was the last of
the main occurrences until two more things, which happened a

(41:41):
long time later. The first was in twenty seventeen when
I was at work at eleven in the morning. I
was at a power station, a different job, change of
job for me, and as I was at the power station,
there was a big boring rig drilling into the ground.
As I was sitting there, metallic sphere, dark metallic object

(42:03):
to a ball just started to approach at a very
far distance, and it came right over in front of
me again, not very high up at all. There's still
a good one hundred hundred meters ahead of me, maybe
fifty meters up, and just stopped and hung there. So
I started recording it on my phone, trying to make

(42:26):
out again. You go through, well, it's not a drone.
It's obviously a sphere. It's not a ball because the
wind is there, and it's just stationary. It's just moved
all the way in a single direction towards me and stopped.
So I'm again you go through all disbelief. You just
don't want to believe it. But this time, at least
I've got my phone on it recording it. So it
starts to move left and stops, moves left and stops.

(42:49):
The thing's silent at that point I was called over
to work. I had to get out and work, and
the kind of people I was with, I didn't want
to draw attention to it, you know, pregnant types, or
just dismiss it and ridicule, so I just kept it
to myself and I managed to record two other clips
of it as it moved, changed the location in the

(43:10):
low in the sky, and then eventually went off over
the tree line. And that was that until another year
almost had gone past. And this is the last thing
that ever happened for us personally. In some ways, I'm
glad to say that, but in other ways, in other regards,
I'm not, because i'd I need answers and I haven't

(43:32):
got any. Anyway. The last thing that happened is I
was driving down the A forty seven motorway. There's no
slip roads, just grass verges, and as I was traveling along,
window open, I just happened to notice what I thought
was a plane or helicopter or something. I saw the
lights over to my right across a large field. I

(43:55):
saw the light coming down and then reering off off
the ground too low to be safe. I just thought instantly,
my mind just thought plane was going to crash or something,
and as I doubled took and staring at it, I
realized that it wasn't. There were no flashing lights. It
was just three balls of amber light orange lights, which

(44:19):
were heading what appeared to be directly my way. As
I'm traveling at fifty six miles an hour towards Peter
past Thorny. If anyone's familiar, there's only two stopping places,
and there was nowhere for me to pull over. It's
a seventy mile an hour road, so it wouldn't have
been safe just to stop. So I'm driving along, thinking, really,

(44:40):
this thing's coming at me, And as it gets closer
and closer, I can see it's not a plane. Chinese
lanterns don't move at fifty miles an hour. These things
are maintaining are very very low heights, and they're coming
straight for me. They get close enough for me to
see that they're just three balls of light with nothing
connecting them, small amount of space, maybe maybe a meter

(45:03):
in between, each ball of light horizontal by the way,
traveling horizontally, and they come directly as I thought they would,
directly over the vehicle I was driving in so close
that if I stood on top of the car. I
could have touched them about the size of beach balls,
and they just went silently over my head, over the

(45:24):
bushes to my left. And I really wanted to get
that on camera, but I'm driving, I'm driving. I've got
nowhere to pull over. And by the time it all happened,
probably start to finish no more than fifty sixty seconds.
And that's it. That's it, that encompasses everything that happened
twenty eighteen. That was I believe it was twenty eighteen.

(45:46):
I'm vague on the month. That's the last thing that happened.
You know, there's quite a lot to it. I got
to say sometimes I just wish that it was just
if you know, somebody said to me recently that I
spoke to about this. They said, to me, look, just
a bit of advice, mate, He said, if you ever
tell anyone else about what happened to you guys, he said,

(46:08):
what you should do is just tell them the bit
that where your girlfriend saw it too. Don't tell them
all the other weird stuff because people think you're nuts.
Thank you, Adrian. If you ever hear this, you know
who you are. But the truth is the truth. And
I can't not tell everything that happened because it's all relevant.
But like we'd said earlier, come the reason why I

(46:31):
wanted to share this is to help other people, because
it can be a really lonely place to be to
not have anyone to talk to about it. But if
even even if I can't help myself, which it does,
it does help me by talking about it. That's a
huge service that you're providing for people. But it also
helps others who are going through the same to know

(46:55):
things that some people out there right now somewhere could
be listening to this that are going through a very
similar thing. They may have seen shadow beings after an
interaction the shadow figures in their house. Poulter got what
we would classes poltgeist activity in their home after having
a close encounter with the UFO. I never knew that
these things were connected. I never knew that people quite

(47:16):
commonly have that experience until recently, and I know it's
helped me speaking to certain people that have had similar experiences,
and so I just wanted to do my part, get
it off my chest for that selfish reason, but also
to help other people that need need to know that
they're not alone in what they're going through.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
You know, I think the biggest frustrating thing with all
this is then simply just not knowing.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
Yeah, because you have to somehow try to live with
the most life changing experience, certainly that I've ever had,
and no answers, just questions more questions. And it's, as
they say, it's a layer cake of problems here, because

(48:05):
not only do you have to live with all of
these questions with no answers, but also you have to
deal with if you ever talk about it, you could
be ridiculed and dismissed, laughed at, even discerned, and I've
certainly experienced that as well. So it's a real troublesome subject.
And then also you have to deal with people that

(48:29):
think they have all the answers, which are mostly just
opinions and biases. Then you have the people who just
so cynical even if it happened to them, they either
would have a complete mental breakdown, which I can see
how that can happen to people, because it is too
much to take. I tell you what, I'm really lucky,

(48:51):
and I count myself lucky that I had my son
with me that day. I'm sorry for him of course,
but for me to have not gone through that alone,
and to have my daughter and our neighbors see it,
and then my girlfriend with me for two to see
the original object in the sky and then what happened
in the garden. So I'm really lucky, and I really

(49:13):
feel sorry for people, you know, saying sorry for them
is not the right way to put it, I really understand,
and I wish all the courage in the world to
the people that have gone through something like this by themselves.
God helped them, because you feel like you're going to
lose your mind because it's so earth shattering, the bizarre

(49:38):
and unbelievable, and yet there it is, it's happening. How
do you cope with that? You can see how people
would actually lose the plot. So I'm glad I had
people around me I could trust and that were with
me through it, you know exactly.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
And it is hard enough dealing with something something relatively
normal on your own, let it own something a subject
like this.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Exactly, and then deal with with that on your own.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
It's just difficult. And there is a lot of people
like there, you know, a lot of my guests on
the show, which you know, I've said before that they
haven't shared their accounts decades. You know, they've kept it
to themselves for forty fifty odd years. You know, imagine
how difficult, you know, that would be.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
I mean, we we touched on it earlier, didn't we.
I think I grew up in the eighties, I think,
and so did you. I think the world was a
different place back then in terms of help for trauma.
You you just got on with it. You just didn't
talk about it. You put it to the back of
your mind, and you just tried to move forward. What
I've realized lately, by sharing it and talking about it

(50:42):
as much as I have only recently after several years,
is the trauma has to come out. It has to
come out some way, and it does help, but you
have to do it repeatedly, over and over until it
becomes the emotions lesson, until it's bearable and not so

(51:03):
it doesn't you don't relive the trauma anymore. The first
couple of times or a few times that I tried
to talk about it, I still get the tingles, the goosebumps,
I'd still shake and get emotional. But I'm finding that
much easier to deal with now that I'm talking about
it a lot more, and I do feel like I
have a job to do in sharing it because Nick,

(51:26):
imagine if every single person that has gone through similar experiences,
Imagine if everybody just openly publicized it so that we
got the true numbers. Because most people, as you say,
will never talk about it. If you go through something
like any of that on your own, I can see
why nobody would ever want to talk about it. And

(51:49):
then you have the people who have gone through it
and they just tell family, close, trusted once. But in
terms of how many people publicly have the the courage
or the or dassy, whatever way you want to put
it to just get it out there, regardless of what
people think. We're just scratching the surface, you know, typically Iceberg.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
Yeah, exactly, there are there are millions of people?

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Are there millions? You know?

Speaker 3 (52:17):
For every for every thousand people that contact me, there's
another thousand, exactly.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
You know, I spoke to there was a guy on
Twitter uap theory if no one's checked it out, I
had to look at a website that was created. I
believe the guy has put together the most incredible theory
of how these objects, assuming that they are physical real
world jet sexual terrestrial. His hypothesis is to do with

(52:45):
the propulsion systems and the observable characteristics. And I had
a quick chat with him about what it was like
to be stood under one of these things, and that
was that was really good. Now if everybody talked about
their experiences, like with the conversation I had with him,
I was able to tell him while I was under
it by so many meters and the static was a incredible,

(53:09):
incredible amounts of static electricity. And he adjusted his thinking
because of that. He thought that the field really extends
a lot further than he had previously postulated. So if
everybody were to speak up and have no fear of
what you know, the ridicule factors, just speak up, even
if they do it anonymously, do it anonymously, share your information.

(53:30):
And what it will do is it will help people
to piece together the similarities and start to even if
we still can't say one hundred percent what these things are,
at least we can say, well, people have you know,
ninety percent of people that have an interaction with these
things experience X or Y or z, And we slowly

(53:52):
but surely, we can start to build up a database
of you know, similarities, and I think that's really important.
Like I said, I'd only just recently found out that
seeing shadow figures running around your house that it wasn't
just us. I was told that other people have seen
shadow figures after an interaction with these uap ufros, So

(54:13):
that was news to me. And again because I knew
then that somebody else had, it really made me feel
a relief to know other people who have experienced the
same thing. So if I didn't know that how many
other people are seeing these things and not knowing that
it's not.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
Just then it is quite common where people would have
these these encounters and at the same time having activity
in the house. You know, there is an unusual connection exactly.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
There's so many I don't you know. Obviously I have
no answers. I don't know what it is, but I
do think it's important to try and stay as neutral
as possible because we simply don't have any absolute, finite answers.
I can only say what I experienced and what we experienced,
what we saw, what we felt, and trying to be
as objective as possible. I'd say, in hindsight, looking back

(55:02):
on everything that happened, it did the stuff I say
was scary? Really I need This is one of my
biggest questions nick why those feelings and if those feelings
are being projected on someone, such as when I was
underneath the object the first night, I felt an overwhelming

(55:23):
feeling of love and joy. It was bizarre because it
had no place in that moment to be coming from
me for what purpose. It felt unnatural, like a projection
of feeling. So I have a question of why to
what ends to why? But similarly, the feeling of dread
and fear observation, as if someone's watching you and it's bad.

(55:47):
The question I have is where is that coming from?
Why would they project that onto me or people? And
if they're not, then therefore it must be coming from
within us, like an ear warning system, you know, naturally
inherent within the human brain neanderthal who knows, kind of

(56:07):
the old caveman brain warning system. But then my brother
suggested that but I had to say no, no, no.
When I stood there about to go into the woods,
that feeling came out of nowhere. I was not aware
of any danger present, So why would I suddenly feel
that feeling when there's nothing visibly there that I'm aware of.

(56:30):
It stopped me in my tracks. Same within the garden,
it fell like a ton of bricks on us, real fast.
Within a couple of seconds. You're stopped with that feeling,
and there's nothing visible, So therefore can it be coming
from within us? It's not like a mountain, lion or
a bear, is something eye to eye with a predator.

(56:53):
This is something that just falls on you from out
of nowhere, seemingly, So therefore is it being projected upon us?
If so, why is it a test? Is it to
find out how we're going to react? I ask myself
the feeling of love? Was that possibly, and this is
all just speculation, was that possibly to stop me from

(57:15):
running away or shouting out? Why did I feel so
powerfully that to grab my phone or grab someone else's
attention would be wrong and inappropriate? Don't do that? And
then it moved off as soon as I considered my phone.
So I can see why if you take in everything
that people say historically as well that there appears to be,

(57:37):
including Jack Vlaie's theories. Big respect to him. I've read
his books since, and I agree it appears to be
some sort of control manipulation, possibly even deception. Who knows.
I'm not saying they're bad. I'm just saying that it
can be easily taken as devorius. But then if they

(57:59):
wanted to hurt me, they would have so yeah, so
much to say, so much to say, so many questions.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
There are animals out there which use ultrasonic sound, you know,
they vocalize frequencies we simply can't hear. So of course
it's possible that certain energies can be released and control
our emotions.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
I've heard that, actually yeah, I mean, without wanting to
take it off topic too much, but it's in the
last few months. I randomly one night started to listen
to a podcast turned out to be Sasquatch Chronicles, and
what grabbed my attention was listening to one of the
hunters spoke of something which sounded like an identical feeling

(58:42):
that we felt, and I tried to describe that out
of the blue. After twenty thirty years in the forest
and the woods, suddenly, you know, felt this feeling of
being watched and the silence fell, and then this thing appears.
I'm trying to make sense of why there would be
that that similarity. Now, trying to make sense of any

(59:03):
of it. It's so frustrating. So I'm left with the
feeling of wanting them to come back just so that
I can try to get a chance to ask some
questions or have some answers. But at the same time,
I just have to be concerned. I am concerned because
if they decide to do, they can do whatever they want.

(59:24):
There's no control, You have no control over it. It
will mess with your mind because it's so crazy and
bizarre and unbelievable that it's hard to cope with. But
I have to bear in mind that I have a
small child in the house, and it's like I said earlier,
and they can stopped me going for walks in those woods.
If I'm going to go by by myself, it's fine.

(59:47):
I don't care what happens to me, that's fine. But
I just worry about my little boy because if God forbid,
if anything happened to him and I wasn't able to
stop it. And like say, I can't remember coming out
of those fields from that woods that day with my son,
my teenage son, So who knows, but it's fascinating.

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Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
Wasn't there also a report very local to you, relatively
recently about a local guy seeing of light.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Yeah, so what happened is found. I had my daughter,
I think it was about a year year and a
half ago, maybe a bit more. I forget now it's
been a while. I had my daughter send me a
screenshot of a local man who had been walking his
dog about one o'clock in the morning and had put
a message up with a photograph had taken up on

(01:01:23):
Facebook Facebook group. She said, sorry, you have to speak
to him because he's just seen what we saw. And
this photograph had taken of two balls of white light
and the message was really cynical, but he had said,
can anybody give me a sensible or reasonable explanation for
what these things are? I was walking my dog at

(01:01:46):
one am at Breton Park and these balls of white
light were dancing around over the field. A third one
joined them and then they shot straight up. So I
don't use face, so I immediately asked her to pass
him my phone number and ask him to give me
a call. I didn't want to give any information. I

(01:02:08):
just wanted him to give me a call, but he
never did. And then secondly, what happened just a few
months back, I'd spoken with basically contacted Moufon, told them
what had happened over those years, and I had a
call from the director of Moufon for the UK at
Jack Turnbull and it was a very interesting conversation. I

(01:02:32):
got really emotional about it. But eventually what ended up
from that phone call was I found an actual Moufon
entry from I believe twenty eighteen, if I remember rightly,
of a local man again just up the road, the
road that we're on behind us, Breton Way at Thorpewood Roundabout,

(01:02:54):
which is Breton Way, joins the A four to seven motorway.
It's just up the road there. Somebody on their dash
can was heading up the slip road to join the
A forty seven from Breton Way and they recorded two
pairs of balls of white light traveling from this side
of Breton where we are over the motorway over the

(01:03:14):
hospital in the sky quite low, the pair of balls
of white light. That's exactly what I saw over me
that flashed that night. So there's been one dash cam video,
one photograph, and my sketches. That's the biggest regret of
all I wish in hindsight, if I could do it
all again, I would have just pulled my phone out

(01:03:37):
straight away shouted, called people down. But you know that
would have probably been the end of that if it's
shot straight up, and maybe I've got a blurred photograph.
It's been a journey, let's put it our way. It's
been emotional, and yeah, I appreciate. I appreciate what you do. Nick.
I've got to say you've done a great job because
you're giving people, you know, way to shadow which helps others,

(01:03:59):
therapy and a as well, letting people get this off
their chest. And it's a really valuable service and an
excellent thing that you do, so thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
It is definitely helping. You know, you're on here tonight
and there's someone out there listening now get in contact.
You know, they've had experience is very similar to yours.
Because of you, You've then allowed someone else to have
the courage and speak up about.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
It exactly exactly, And like you said, it's only when
somebody talks about it, you'll suddenly have other people in
the room pop up and for the first time fill
the courage to speak up themselves for their experiences because
they're similar. So that's why being able to talk and
share experiences, Man, it helps so much. And I think

(01:04:42):
I've listened to all of your episodes because I'm just
absolutely soaking in other people's experiences now too, because I
understand what they're going through. And that's why I wanted
to give this to you to be able to help
others again.

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
You know, I really appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
Max.

Speaker 3 (01:04:59):
When you go back and listen to some of the episodes,
you can hear it in people's voices.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
You can hear the emotion. Yeah exactly. I'm good on them.
So the more they talk about it, the more it
will help. I've discovered that myself recently. So just keep
being brave, keep being courageous, keep telling tell people it's
going to hurt. When people don't believe you, but it
will help you personally and it will help others. Be
kind to strangers, you know, be the best you can be,

(01:05:24):
especially to strangers. Because the thing which I haven't really
shared openly is just near the end of the whole
series of events, Nick is, I was having some very
intense feelings of needing to do something extremely selfless, selfless
act of kindness. I don't know if it was just

(01:05:45):
the effect that everything had on me, but it didn't
feel again, it felt a little bit projected onto me.
And I know that sounds nuts along with the rest
of it, but I was waking up for a period
of maybe two weeks, three weeks where I was feeling
even said to my girlfriend at the time, for some reason,
I feel like at any time, any moment, I'm going

(01:06:06):
to need to do something to help someone a stranger
may mean going to be hurt in the process, and
it didn't make sense to me while I felt why
did I feel that so strongly? And every day I
woke up feeling like today could be the day I'm
going to need to do something to help a stranger.
I started taking food to a local homeless shelter here
in Peterboro, you know, handing out food to homeless people

(01:06:29):
in peb City Center, doing whatever I could to help. Yes,
look after loved ones, friends, family, treat everybody as kind
as you can. Turn the other cheek. You know, you
don't have to be violent. If someone's violent, back, find
another way. You know, in the face of adversity, just
be the best you can be. Prove yourself you're worth.
That's how I felt I had to behave So I

(01:06:50):
think that the whole experience, when someone has these extremely
touching experiences, you can see how it can feel spirit
all or the impact it has on your life can
be almost religious to an extent. It can really change
you because you know that there's something much deeper than
just this physical face value world around us. There's more

(01:07:12):
than that. It's not this more than materialism. I was
obviously became completely obsessed with trying to find something online websites,
material photographs, videos of what was over me, and I
looked for days and days and days, I know it
was many days. And one day, one day, after seeing

(01:07:36):
all this shit, I suddenly a video popped up on
a playlist on random on YouTube of something that I
knew nothing about. Until that day and it Man, it
was one of those moments I sat up and jumped
off the sofa, coltannder down. I was like, there it is.
That's exactly what was over me because about it. It

(01:07:58):
happened in January in twenty eleven, over of all places,
the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, and it was discounted as
a hoax. But that it's deep, Nick, It's really deep,
because that object is exactly what was over this house
and over this area. I don't know why, but it

(01:08:20):
is the same fiery golden edges protruding shards of light
from the center in the middle vertically up and down
plasma effect super bright, and the way that it behaves
is identical. It comes down as in a ball that
had been hanging up there in the sky, recorded by

(01:08:41):
several people across the sea at one o'clock in the morning.
It comes down and somehow it seems to change into
this golden object. It moves slowly along, glides along, and
then it does exactly what drew my attention to it
in the first night. It double flashed in quick succession

(01:09:03):
super bright light double flashed, and then it shot straight up,
leaving a trail behind it like a ghost effect as
it just shot up. Thirdly, as it shot back up,
there were balls of red light making formations before they
kind of disappeared. And the thing is, that's exactly what

(01:09:24):
was here doing all those three things, the red ball
of light, the double flashes of light, the white balls
of light, the golden object. Everything about it was exactly
the same. So I was in shock all over again,
like here it is. I found it, and then I
saw where it was, and I thought, what That's one
of the reasons why Jack Turnbull move on really affected

(01:09:44):
me because I'd found the object, but it was in
a place that makes would make it sound even more
crazy if you can get that way, and to make
it deeper. The people that filmed that object that night,
there were two friends up on the temp upon Hill
Olive Garden and both recorded their phones separately at the
same time. Then you had a guy on the rooftop

(01:10:06):
of a hotel in the south of the sea, completely
unassociated with those guys, recorded it as well from a
different angle. Then you had a bunch of teenagers, Israeli
teenagers that recorded it on their phone camcorder actually, and
then separately, and there's here's the real Partickler. The weather

(01:10:27):
station is Raeli weather station camera that was streaming the
images over the internet, like some of them do, was confiscated.
Those frames are missing. The ones after that exact time,
an exact direction that it was looking over is whited out.
So later all the hoax versions started to appear online

(01:10:49):
and they've clearly been put up as hoaxed videos. They're
clearly CGI, they're clearly hoaxed. And the worst thing is
that one of the men that originally filmed it uploaded
some fake, clearly fake bullshit and then disappeared offline. Ever
since twenty thirteen, No can't see or hear from him,

(01:11:11):
just gone. So it's to me that stinks of a
cover up, stinks of it because I know that those
original videos are what was over here. It was identical
in every way, and so to me, there's no question
that it's the same. But I can't convince anyone of
that because I have spoken to a couple of people

(01:11:31):
and they instantaneously they say, but that was dismissed as
a hoax. Everyone knows it was a hoax, but it
wasn't a hoax. There are CGI hoax videos that even
now are still turning up online of that event, clearly
hoaxed videos to discredit the reality of it being a
real event. So that's why when Jack Turnbull was talking
to me, you know what he said as well, he said,

(01:11:52):
do you know what was in the temple on that
in Jerusalem? And I had actually been looking into it
just recently and shocked. But they say that the light
of God or all hungover the Solomon's Temple or the
tabernacle that housed the ark of the Covenant. It goes
on and on, but basically Islam, Judaism, Christianity, it all

(01:12:16):
stems from that location. And yet it doesn't stem just
from there. But that's such a sacred site for all
of the religions there. And so to me, if I
was going to place if I was going to place
a bet on this, whatever these things are, they are
clearly influencing, trying to influence the human race to be

(01:12:36):
better to one another, to improve themselves, maybe even to
admire them or think of them as angelic, because then
in a way that's preparing you know, millennia in the future.
Who knows, but I think they're clearly trying to influence
humans through what we would class as religious experiences and

(01:12:57):
angelic interactions are probably same thing. That's that's as close
as I get to a kind of broad assumption on
what could be possibly going on.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
Yeah, and I'm inclined to agree with you and you know,
in some respects, Yeah, it makes sure. It certainly makes
you wonder exactly. Thank you for coming on today, all right.
Really appreciate you coming on and sharing this for our listeners.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
Thanks man, I really appreciate you having me on. Thanks
Nick for listening as well. Really appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
Yeah, take care of yourself all right, and keeping contact.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
It's all the best. Good bye, all right, take care
that buddy.

Speaker 3 (01:13:30):
That is all for this week. Keep updated and connected
with this show on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram. And if
you have an encounter that you'd like to share on
the podcast, you can email me at UFO Chronicles at
gmail dot com or reach out to me via the
contact page on my website at UFO Chronicles podcast dot com.

(01:13:50):
A big thank you to Max for sharing tonight, and
thank you all for listening. I will be back next week.
Till then, stay safe and keep watching the skies.

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
Goodbye,