Ep.151 A Flash Of Light (Throwback)

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We are joined tonight by Justin from Southern California, sharing multiple experiences that started in the mid-80's. Justin would have regular visits from a little being in his bedroom when he was a child, flashes of light would be seen that came from an unknown origin that would leave the family confused as to why they would be in a different part of the house directly afterward.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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a UFO hanging in? We don't want to report every
thirty one. Do you wish to.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Report a UFO over hey, we want to one of.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Those areas thirty one. Do you wish to find a
report of any kind of it?

Speaker 2 (00:18):
I wouldn't know what kind of reports, clouds.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
Time areas thirty one me neither there were self.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
If it was anybody above us to pass us, Like thirty.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Seconds ago, we were sending one top of golf negative, okay,
off fi the UFO.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, it's murder two nine o'clock. Yes, I'll passed over.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
I got.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
I don't know what it was, but it's from at
least to three thousand feet above us.

Speaker 4 (00:47):
See, I passed right.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
Over the top of US.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Ninety one one. You just called up to me.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
The four they're after staying the airplanes. He is.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
To God on an unidentified object every Liberty four call
or calm on an unidentified flying object.

Speaker 5 (01:13):
A Welcome to UFO Chronicles, a place where people share
their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had
an encounter, I would like to be on the show.
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Speaker 3 (01:48):
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every last one of you. I appreciate you all for listening. Tonight,
we are joined by Justin in Southern California, sharing his
multiple experiences starting in the mid eighties with a visit
at night from a small being. Justin is up next.

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Speaker 4 (03:01):
Now on with the show, welcome to show.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Justin, Thanks nixing to be on, and it's.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
Great to have you join us today. Calling from a California.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
Sir, Southern California, far south as we can.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Get hot, hot, hot, absolutely crazy hot, crazy hot. Now, Justin,
you have some experiences to share our listener tonight, starting
in your childhood. Would you like to begin there for us?

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Please? Yeah, definitely. If I can just kind of preface
everything by saying, like I am very interested in the subject,
it terrifies me. I have been kind of exposed to
this stuff from an early age. My mom's very into it.
But you know, as it is something that I read about,
listen to podcasts about, I am just terrified of it

(04:01):
at any rate. I'm also a little bit of a skeptic.
So even the things that I say or believe that
I've seen and experiences that I had, I'm very skeptical
of myself. And you know, maybe the things that I
have seen or want to say that I've seen or

(04:21):
believe or whatever could be like influenced by the media
or you know, anything else at any rate, So starting
from the beginning to be mid eighties. Don't know exactly
what year, but I was or in eighty one, so
it'd be somewhere in the mid eighties. I'm from this area.
It's a big farming community, small town. We lived about

(04:45):
fifteen miles east of a town called Brawley and just
out in the middle of the country this just fields around,
not really anything else, and lived in this really old
kind of farm else kind of on in a field essentially.
And my memory, which is, like I said, one of

(05:09):
my earliest childhood memories, is of this small man. I
don't know if you call him a man, it was
a being. It would be in my room and I
remember it being in a suit. I don't know what
kind of suit. I don't want to say it was
like a spacesuit or you know, something like that. I mean,

(05:29):
in my mind, I see it as like almost like
a taxedo. I don't you know, that's just kind of
what I remember. But I remember it being in the
corner of my ceiling with a ceiling in the wall
meat and it was funny and I enjoyed when when
it would come. So when you know, it just made

(05:50):
me laugh, and I guess that's the memory that I
have of it. From what I remember it. It kind
of went on for a while that this thing would
come and it wasn't like a scary memory or anything
like that. It was just, you know. So late eighties,
we moved closer to town, same thing, still in the country,

(06:11):
and the house that we lived in there were windows
facing basically every direction, so you had my window in
my room was facing to the north, my mom and
dad's bedroom was facing to the east, our living room
was facing to the west. So one night I'm in
my room, I'm asleep, my mom's in her room asleep,

(06:35):
and my dad and my sister are out in the
living room and there's this just bright flash of light
in my room. Now, because we lived like in the
country and there's fields around, we regularly had crop dusters
that would fly, you know, over the house. So the

(06:58):
window in my room, I would get crop dusters and
you would see the lights coming towards the towards the
house and you would hear them fly over. So this
wasn't like that at all. There was no flyover there
was no noise, there was no gradual light coming towards
the room. It was just a huge flash light. And

(07:19):
then I was in the kitchen. No idea what happened
between then. But not only was I in the kitchen,
my parents were in the kitchen and my sister was
in the kitchen, and we're all kind of like, did
you guys see that light? And everybody was, yeah, what
the heck was the light? And nobody could really explain it.
I don't really remember being concerned about it, but it

(07:42):
was weird, but yeah, I mean I at the time,
I didn't really think about like lost time or anything
like that. How that happened. I don't want to say
it was a UFO or anything like that, but it
was definitely unexplained, something that I don't know how to

(08:05):
explain it. And my family doesn't know how to explain it.
And when I've asked them about it recently, they all
remember it, but it's not something that anybody has any
idea of like, oh, yeah, that happened, don't know what
it was, and they kind of don't want to talk
about it. So after that, life goes on as normal,
I guess, and we kind of skipped forward to so

(08:29):
twenty twelve. It was my dad's birthday in August. We
had just moved back to this area from the Pacific
Northwest and we were staying with family, and again it
was my dad's birthday. We had rented some movies from
Red Box and we had to turn them in. It
was a birthday party and I was running kind of late.

(08:52):
So the kids and their mom and I got in
the car. We got the Red Box movies and we
were driving into Raley to drop these the movies off,
and we're going on the freeway. I realized that I
had not actually grabbed the movies we were I was
just in such a rush that we took off. I
thought I had them, and I'm like, oh man, we

(09:13):
don't even have the movies. Let's turn around. So we
turned around and we were at a stop light and
I'm looking. We're kind of going east, so I'm looking
east and the moon is out, there's a few clouds.
There's a light and I don't I don't even really

(09:36):
know how to explain it. It was a light that
it almost looked like sparkles. This light was like it
was going left to right and then it would leave
a trail of light, like sparkles going you know, following
the light, and then the light would go away, and

(09:57):
then it would come, you know, from from left to again,
and it just kept doing that, and it was, you know,
We're sitting there like, what is that. And my kid's
mom was like, I think you know what that is.
That's really strange, but I think you know what it is.
And I'm like, I don't, but let me pull my
phone out and try to record this. So trying to

(10:20):
record it, and it's just what it would do. It
was it would rotate like that where the light would
go across and leave a trail, and then a few
seconds later it would be a little bit higher and
it would do the same thing. And eventually it got
so high it was behind a cloud and it kind
of illuminated the cloud. Now at the same time, I

(10:44):
looked north and there's another one and so I'm like,
oh my god, there's another one over there, and it's
doing the same thing. You know, We're sitting at this light.
I don't even know how long. I'm sure it was
green and then it probably went red again. We're out
in the middle of the country, so there's not a
lot of people around, but it was strange. My kids

(11:04):
saw it, their mom saw it. I got on the
phone with my mom and I'm like, go outside right
now because there's something weird out there. By the time
she got out, there was, you know, it was gone.
Both of them and I went and the video that
I took, I uploaded it on YouTube. It's still there,

(11:25):
I believe. I sent it to you. From the video,
you can't really see too much, but you can see,
you know, enough to you can kind of understand what
I'm what I'm talking about. I posted on YouTube and
there was multiple people that had responded and they're like,
oh my gosh, we saw this as well. There was
a person that was driving down the Interstate ten, which

(11:47):
the Interstate ten goes, you know, through Arizona and it
goes up to Palm Springs area and into LA and
there's a mountain range it's called the Chucklewalla Mountains, which
is the Interstates here kind of cuts right through there.
So that was to the north. So the object that
I saw in the north, it seemed like it was

(12:09):
over in that area. So in my mind, I'm like, Okay,
this this has got to be military stuff. There's a
big military presence. We have a navy base that's here
in this valley. There's bombing ranges, you know, in the
deserts that are surround here, as well as in the
Chikawalla Mountains. As a kid growing up in the country
that you know, you can see these mountains plainly. There

(12:31):
were constantly flares being dropped out there. Flares are usually
like an orange color and they fall in a you know,
in a way that you can tell it's a flare.
These things were moving left to right, so and people
have told me like, oh, you probably just saw flares.
If those were flares, I don't know how. I've never
seen a flare like that. I've never seen a flare disappear,

(12:53):
leave a weird sparkly trail, and then move up and
do the same thing. So you know that that was
that experience. Once it was gone, we're just like, all right, well,
let's go get the movies and take them back. You know,
Like I said, I uploaded it to YouTube. I tried
to enhance the video, and you know, it's just grainy pixels. Now.

(13:15):
After that, skip ahead to twenty eighteen. Probably it would
be about early September of twenty eighteen. We're living in
a town that's a bit south of Brawley called El Centro,
and you know, just living the life down here. My

(13:36):
kid's mom and my youngest daughter and I all shared
a bed and in the house that they live in
we live in there is a master bedroom is very
large window. There's a couple of windows in there that
are you know, you get a light in there during
the day, but at night, there's nothing going on in

(13:58):
the backyard, so it's not very bright in the room.
So usually my kid's mom would be up all night reading.
That the night that I'm talking about, I woke up
to a really bright flash light and it was just
like instantaneous bright light and then it was gone. It
was bright enough where it woke me up and I

(14:21):
get up. She's asleep. My daughter's asleep, And to me,
I mean, I don't know what time it was, but
it was weird for her to be asleep, because usually,
like I said, she would be up all night reading.
So I got up and started going around the house
trying to check things out. Went outside with a flashlight
looking like maybe a transformer blue on a power line

(14:45):
or something, or a power bowl couldn't see anything. So
I'm like, well, I'll just go back to bed. So
I'm laying there in bed. You know, my kid's mom
and my daughter were all there, and there's I don't
know how long it was, but there was another flashlight
and I'm like, what the heck? So I get up

(15:07):
and again I'm looking around there's nothing. Probably happened at
least three or four times, and every time I'm like, what,
you know, I would maybe just get to sleep, and
then it would happen again, and I can't explain it.
I have no idea. Maybe there was somebody in the
backyard trying to break in with a flashlight. I doubt that,

(15:27):
but these flash of light things kind of seemed to
be a a reoccurring thing and whatever is going on
with me? So the next morning I spoke with her
kid's mom. I spoke with her and I was like, man,
how did you not wake up? With that light? They

(15:49):
kept coming in the room and she was like, what
are you talking about? And I was I was like,
I was up and down all night long. This flash
of light kept coming to the room. You were done asleep,
And She's like, I haven't slept. I was up all
night reading and I'm like, you definitely weren't alake, and

(16:10):
she she like was like, well, actually you were asleep
the whole night long, and actually something really weird happened.
And I was like, I don't know what to tell you,
but you were asleep. Anyway, she told me that I
was asleep. She was reading, and then she got the
feeling that someone else was in the room. So she

(16:32):
would sleep with like a blanket or you know, she
would be reading with a blanket over her head with
a kindle, trying not to wake me up with the
light of the kindle, so she felt like there was
somebody in the room or something in the room. She
pulls the blanket off of her head and she looks,
and she she tells me that she saw a figure

(16:55):
at the edge of the bed. I can't remember exactly.
She said it was walking in and it stopped, but
it was at the end of the bed. It's dark
in the room, so all of our kids were asleep.
It wasn't a kid running through the room or walking
through the room, but she said it stopped looked at her,
and then she immediately put the blanket back over her

(17:17):
head like she was afraid or panicked, but I guess
not panicked enough to like wake me up. She just
wanted to like not see it. And you know, I
don't I don't remember exactly if she told me that
she stayed that way. I don't remember. She said. You know,
I went back a few minutes later and looked and
see if you know, it was still there. But you know,

(17:39):
she definitely said it was a figure. She said it
was like the description of a gray but that she
couldn't see it that well, but that it was in
the room. And you know what that all means. I
have no idea, but it's just weird to me that
it would be the same night that I'm seeing these
flash of lights, I'm seeing her asleep and she's seeing

(18:02):
something completely different. Don't know how to explain that. So
after that, we, you know, things.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Happen in life.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
We started going through splitting up and it would have
been early October, you know, that kind of thing happened.
I started sleeping on the couch out in the living room.
You know, it's obviously a really stressful time for everybody,
the kids, her, So you know, things are unraveling and
Halloween is quickly approaching. So we're doing the whole Halloween

(18:33):
thing and you know, still trying to keep everything together
even though you know all the stuff is going on.
So we go out or treating with the kids that night.
After we got back night, my son and I were
staying in the living room and you know, the girls
and their mom they were asleep in another room. So
my son and I were laying I was laying on
the couch and he was laying well, he was watching

(18:55):
TV or something, and then he's kind of laying next
to me on the floor and after you know, he
had gone to sleep turned the TV off. I'm laying
there and I keep hearing someone in the kitchen or
something in the kitchen and it's rattling opening drawers and
like rattling utensils and same thing. I get up and

(19:17):
I'm going in there and I don't see anything, and
lay back down and the same thing happens. I'm hearing
just rattling around. So I'm like, well, maybe it's a cat.
I have no idea. I can't I can't see, you know,
anything going on in here. So I finally fall asleep
and I have a dream that essentially I'm laying in

(19:40):
the living room. My son's next to me. It was
very vivid, like you know, what was going on, and
the flash of light happens comes through the living room.
The whole place is just illuminated, and there are three silhouettes.
I could not see their faces, but it there were

(20:00):
silhouettes that were thin. They're what I would consider like
a gray. So there's there's these three beings that are
in my living room and my son's right there, and
I'm furious. I don't know why they're in my house.
I'm just getting really angry. They're kind of just standing there.

(20:20):
The light is just coming through the windows, and so
I start yelling at them. I want to know why
they're here. And they're wanting me to go with them.
I don't remember them speaking anything, and I know that's
just a very like stereotypical thing, you know. They talk
to me, and speaking to me is telepathy. I can
hear it though, And they're wanting me to leave. They're

(20:43):
wanting me to go with them, and I'm just furious,
and so I'm yelling at them to get out of
the house. I have the memory that I have of
it is that it's not someone that I don't know,
so it's but it's definitely pissing me off because my
kids are there and I don't want them around my kids. Eventually,
I'm angry enough I get up and I grab one

(21:07):
of them by the shoulders and I'm shaking it and
I'm just I'm so mad and I'm screaming at it
to get out of my house. And then I wake
up sweating, freaked out. What the hell was the stream?
Check on my son? He's fine. I go and check
on everybody else. Everybody's fine, and have a hard time
sleeping the rest of that night. So I get up

(21:27):
and I go to work when I when I come
back from work, I go and take a shower. My
kids are. My kids are there, so I'm walking through
their through the bedroom and I'm not wearing a shirt.
It just got out of the shower. And they're like,
what is that on your back? I can't see my back.
I have no idea what's on there. So they take
a picture of it and there's this thought pattern on

(21:52):
my back. It reminds, well, it wasn't raised. It was
just a bunch of small dots in a pattern. It
kind of like. It reminded me of like a hickey,
like someone would give you a hickey and it's like,
you know, the blood coming to the surface, but it
wasn't raised super weird. So they took a picture of it,

(22:13):
and I'm like, that is really strange. I don't know
what that's from. I don't remember sleeping on anything weird
that would have given some imprint on my back. And
so their mom was like, man, that's so strange. She
pulled me aside and was like, man, our son told
told me about this dream that he had last night,

(22:34):
and now you've got this weird thing in your back.
At this point, I hadn't told anybody about the dream
that I had had. I remember it, but it was
just very strange. And she knows that this is a
subject that I am both fascinated with and like totally
afraid of. So she comes to me and she's like, Oh,

(22:55):
this is so weird. Sebastian our Son had a dream
last night that you guys were in the living room
and this flashlight came through the windows and there were
three snakes that were in the living room and that
you were screaming at them to get out of the house,

(23:17):
and eventually you got up and grabbed one and started
shaking it, and I'm like, at this point, she's telling
me this, and I am freaked out. I don't I
hadn't told anybody about this. She would have no way
of coming up with this story to try to scare
me or something. So I'm completely freaked out. I tell

(23:39):
her and she's like, do not say anything to our son, Sebastian.
Don't say anything. So he as well, is completely like
terrified of the subject. We like to go out to
the desert to tear this you know, open land that
you can go out and camp. We'll go out making

(24:00):
campfire or something. And he hates going out there. He
does not like going out there. He doesn't want to
see the sky. If I try to watch a movie
with you know, UFOs or you know, anything of that subject,
he just doesn't want anything to do with it. And
I totally get it, because that's how it was when
I was a kid. Didn't want anything to do with it.

(24:20):
My parents they were all about firing the sky and
communion and you know, close encounters and all this stuff.
And I found a copy of Cherriots of the Gods
at my mom's or at my grandma's house that was
my mom's, so I know that she's been into this
stuff for a while. So it's just kind of a
weird thing. Not only that, but my father was also

(24:44):
I don't know the extent of what experience he had,
but he told us that he had seen something in
the seventies. He was he saw something in the sky
kind of just darting around and then it took off.
You know, like I said, this was the seventies, this
is at night. I'm assuming he had been drinking and

(25:04):
partying or whatever. He was out in the country actually
not maybe a mile down from where we lived. Well
we saw the flash of light in the nineties, but yeah,
he saw this light flashing around in the sky. He
would tell us about this all the time, and I mean,
I didn't want to hear any of it. So after that,

(25:26):
the thing that happened on Halloween and hearing about the dream,
and I told I told my kid's mom about the
dream that I had had, and you know, we were
just kind of like, this is really strange. And maybe
a couple of weeks after that, I had moved out
out of this house and moved in with my family

(25:46):
in Brawley. You know, nothing else had kind of happened
for a while a couple of weeks, you know, months
weeks to buy our kids were kind of going between
my house and and their mom's house. It definitely happened,
maybe like twice where I had the same dream in

(26:07):
my area in my room at my house in Braly
with my family, where these beings were in my room
or wanting me to leave. My kids were there, so
of course I was angry, but I don't remember being
angry enough to go up and shake one of them
or anything like that. It was not as frightening, I

(26:29):
would say, as the experience that I had here on Halloween.
So I've since our kids don't go. They're getting older
and so they don't, you know, they don't have their
own space and everything. At my house. We're all sleeping
in one room, so you know, when I'm there, I'm
usually by myself. And I've had a few other strange

(26:50):
dreams where these things are in my room and trying
to take me. I had one where they were I
say they You know, I never can't see in a
conscious way that I've ever like communicated. It's always in
a dream and it's not you know, something like I'm awake.
I'm totally awake, and I'm seeing these things. When we

(27:11):
saw the flash light here in our house in El Centro,
and my kid's mom was, you know, asleep, and I'm
walking around anyway, I didn't see anything. I just saw lights.
I didn't you know, make contact with anything in any
kind of like being awake type fashion. She's the one
that saw this stuff. So the only thing that I

(27:33):
can say is in my dreams, in these dreams that
I have, which are very vivid and real, I see
these things. But yeah, there was one that I had
where I was kind of being lifted and like they
were trying to move me out of the room, and
the room's pretty small. They were trying to remove me
out of the room but kept bumping me into stuff,

(27:55):
but they weren't actually touching me. But I remember being
lifted and just kind of hitting walls and not being
able to exit the room. That's probably the last time
I had any kind of dream or you know, experience
like that, and I think that was probably six seven
months ago. Now, the last kind of part of this

(28:16):
maybe a month ago, could have been a little bit longer.
I was actually I was talking to my mom about
this podcast and that you know, she should listen to
it because she's interested in the subject. And I was
explaining that I was, you know, possibly send you guys
an email so that I could maybe be on the show.
And I was kind of recounting to her all the

(28:38):
different things that had happened, and I mentioned to her
the memory that I had had of the little person
that would come into my room when I was a kid,
and she's like, that's not how it went at all,
and I'm I'm like, well, that's the memory that I have,
so I don't really you know, what do you remember
me talking to about out And she said, this is

(29:02):
what she told me. That the light would come through
the window and they saw it, all of them saw
it out in the house. And this is the the
house that we were in the eighties, so we were
way further out in the middle of nowhere. That they
would all see the light that would come in the house,
but it would just be really quick and then that

(29:22):
was it. But that I would see the beings or
whatever there was more than one, and that I would
talk to them and that was it. I mean, she
didn't say anything about a funny little man in a suit,
but that it was there was beings in the light
that would come into my room that I would see
and talk to. When she told me that the memory

(29:46):
that I had of, you know, the little man in
the suit that was gone. I totally remember what she
was telling me, and I and it just all came back.
I like broke down. I was we were sitting there
eating dinner and talking about this, and I'm crying, like shaking.
I mean, this is a memory that I had suppressed,

(30:08):
and it scared the crap out of me.

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Speaker 1 (31:27):
After that? I mean, like I said, that was just
a few months ago, and I nothing else has happened.
But that's pretty much the extent of you know, when
I have on my story and my experiences. Again, I
take everything that I that I say, I think you
can all probably be explained. I hate to jump to
the conclusion that it's aliens or anything extraterrestrial, but I

(31:52):
can't explain any of it, you know, Like I said,
I believe I included a picture of the dot pattern
and the email that I and show in the video.
That's all I have, and my my word and my
memories and whatever.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
So interesting stuff.

Speaker 5 (32:07):
Man.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Yeah, thanks, Yeah, It's definitely not something that I go
around telling a lot of people. I don't think a
lot of people take this kind of stuff seriously. But
now it's on a national stage, so why not or
international stage. It's not just national, so why not?

Speaker 3 (32:23):
You know, you're amongst friends and everyone that listens to
this show. You know they're they're very like minded. You know,
they just want to listen and learn and more likely
relate to their own experiences.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
I could definitely say that I've heard some stuff on
the show that has been relatable, and you know that,
I think that was one of the things that really
like pushed me to contact you to tell you. You know,
the things that I've experienced is just hearing other people
saying the basic the same stuff. And you know, I'm
not crazy. I'm a pretty samee person and other people

(32:56):
are having the same thing. Now, Like I said before,
is it are we seeing this stuff because we've seen
it in movies? I don't know. I don't think so.
I can dream about some stuff, but I mean this
is I usually it's nothing super realistic, never dreaming about
being in my own house with my son laying next
to me, like so, I don't know. It's very strange,

(33:16):
and it's for a person that is, like I said,
terrified of the subject. It's hard to try to think that, hey,
maybe this did happen, but I've got no way to
prove it otherwise or disprove it.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
Let's go back to the nineteen eightes. So you you
remembered it as just a little bing in the very
corner between the wall and the ceiling.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
Correct. Yeah, it's very strange, I mean from what I remember,
and like I said, it's like in a tuxedo or
in a suit. That's the memory that I have, and
I remember it being funny. So maybe my brain changed
the memory that my mom has of the situation so
that way I can cope with it better. I don't know,
but it's definitely one of my earliest childhood memories. I

(34:00):
probably was I don't know, maybe six five six years old.
I was born in eighty one, so eighty five eighty six. Yeah,
I probably would have been around that age. Is it
normal for kids to remember stuff at that age? I
have no idea, but that's my probably my earliest childhood memory.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
And you wasn't scared, you know, you found it funny
that what you were seeing.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Yeah, I remember it being funny. I remember it being
an enjoyable thing when it would come it would be
in my room. I remember it being fond of it,
like I was glad that it was there. It's actually
kind of funny because there was a book that I read.
I was probably in I don't know, seventh grade. A
teacher recommended a Clive Barker book called The Thief of

(34:42):
Always and in that book there's a little guy in
a suit that comes into this kid's room and takes
him away to this you know house that stills ears
from him or something like that. I haven't read it
in a long time, but when I read that, I
remember being like, oh, huh, that's strange. But yeah, it's

(35:03):
never It was never something that I was afraid of
and being exposed to all this stuff as a child.
I remember my mom and dad watching fire in the sky.
I don't even know if it was fire in the sky,
it was something, but it was alien stuff and I
was having none of it. Could have been like unsolved mysteries,
and I would hide behind the couch. It was just

(35:24):
so terrifying to me. But again, the little guy in
the ceiling not so much. I thought he was pretty funny.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
And when you mentioned it to your mother and then
she told you you know kind of what she remembers.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
Yeah, I mean that was that was really tough to hear,
especially since as soon as she said that, yeah, that's
what it was, I remember that. Yep, that memory that
I had was not that was not accurate. And the
thing that really, I've never physically just been shaken when
she told me that, I've never just instantly started crying

(35:58):
and I mean she like came over and was like,
are you okay, because I was just it terrified me absolutely,
And just to know that whatever my brain did was
that memory and just to disguise it with you know,
this little man in a suit. I knew that that's
not what happened. It was what she had told me
because I remember that if my dreams are reality, it's

(36:22):
happened multiple times where these things have come, and I mean,
god knows they could have come more times. I just
don't remember it. But it's just too many, too many
experiences of having these lights and having these weird dreams
of the same thing. Yeah, it's too much of a
coincidence for me to think like, oh, it's just you know,

(36:42):
it's just you being stupid, just your brain, don't worry
about it.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
And it all seems to start off with a flash
of light outside the window.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Right flooding the room. Brightest day in the room for her,
For my mom, you know, it was quick, it was instant.
I actually spoke with her recently about it, and she's like,
you know, it was just it was quick. And I
was like, well, did you look at the time, did
you you know, because I know that that kind of
thing is associated with like missing time, And she's like, no,
you know, I wasn't really worried about that. You know,

(37:11):
it's a huge flash of light and now soon we're
in the middle of the country where there's you know,
nothing around. You know, you go outside and you look,
but there's there's nothing around, so you just take it us.
I don't know what happened, but she's one to jump
to oh it was ufo, it was you know, she's
very very into that. I mean, she's the one that's

(37:33):
watching ancient aliens all the time. And I mean she
told us, my sister and I, you know, when we
were kids, that if there's a god, it's an alien
and she would buy us books and all this stuff
about it, and we just kind of like, ah, you
know whatever. But for her, as well, and she's the
one that's constantly outside looking at the sky trying to

(37:54):
see something, and she never really has aside from and
I think this was the the Elon Musk's, you know,
the space link thing that's been flying around for a while.
She said this was probably like two months ago that
she was out in the backyard at night, kind of
just looking up in the sky and she saw lights

(38:17):
that were kind of in a row, but she said
there was like a mass around it, so she saw
darkness around these lights, but then it was just kind
of moving and then it had gone across the across
the sky so quick. And I'm like, ah, that was
probably this, you know, spacelink or SpaceX, I don't know
exactly what it's called. That's probably what you saw, and

(38:40):
you know, she's like, ah, you know, I don't know,
I don't know. She's also told me just a few
days ago about another incident that my dad had. But
it was in the middle of the day and he
he was a farmer and he drove around all over
the place constantly checking on face fields and stuff like that,

(39:01):
and kind of out north of where we lived. He
was driving down the road and in the middle of
the day, he saw a silver object that just kind
of streaked across the sky, but it was really low
and pretty close to where he was. I mean, he
saw it. He pulled over, and he was looking around
to try to see what was that. I mean, it

(39:22):
could have been anything. It could have been a bug
that he just saw, you know, thought it was something silver.
I have no idea, but that's just my brain trying
to rationalize everything to think, you know, don't jump to
the fantastic, even though I want to try not to
not to do that, and just try to think logically,
like there's got to be an explanation. I think, I

(39:44):
you know, in a philosophy class that I took in college,
you know, extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence, and you know,
the only kind of evidence. I have a video that's
on YouTube and a picture of some dots on my back.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
That's all I've got, which I will on the website
that's going to a company this episode so people can
go and check them out. Certainly interesting and any interest
in Mars.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
I believe that the marks, those marks happened another time
after that. I could not find the picture of the
second time, so I didn't even talk about it because
it's like I remember that time and I have the
photographic evidence of the marks. The other time I don't
have it, so I don't even want to talk about
that time. I mean, it wasn't anything like I don't

(40:30):
remember having any kind of dream or anything weird happening.
It was months later, and you know, it's the same
thing like, oh, hey, you got weird marks on your back.
I don't know. If they're taking me, then they're doing
some with my back. I have no idea whatever they're doing.
If they're doing something, if I'm being visited, if it's
a familial thing where they've done stuff, or they had

(40:52):
contact with my dad and myself and my son, nothing's
being I mean, we're not heard.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
You know, there is nothing wrong. We've being skeptical bad.
You've always got to be that way. You can never
really jump to conclusions, even though sometimes you want to.
You of course jump to certain certain answers, but you
know you physically can do that. And it's like UFOs,
you know, I mean, anything really can be a UFO
if you're badly, if you're not very good at identifying things.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
Right, and as a layman like I don't know. This
is a huge military area, so I don't know what
the health of military is flying around. You know, I
have no idea. Everything can probably be explained.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
But once you get past the natural phenomenon, and then
you get past the things which we're seeing that man
made normal but from different angles. You know, there's different
weather conditions and all that kind of things, and you
can it's easy to misidentify things that anyone can kind
of do it right. But you know, there's a lot
of things out there flying around evidently, which which I
won't say, don't belong in us, guys that that are

(41:49):
not natural and not man made.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
I mean, yeah, I would agree with you. I mean,
there's there's so much out there. I mean, we know
more about space than we know about our own ocean,
you know, or at least I've until that. But it
would be ridiculous to think, you know, there's not something
out there. There's not more to the you know, what
we can see. I don't know if I mentioned this
or not, but the object that we saw I may

(42:14):
have mentioned this in the email, the object that we
saw that was rotating leading that weird trail. After I
had posted the video on YouTube and people were commenting
on another person. I may have already said this, but
another person messaged me on YouTube and was like, hey,
I got a video of the same thing the same

(42:34):
night and it was not in the Interstate ten. Their video,
if somebody can find it, I cannot find it, And
it was on August thirty, first of twenty twelve and
the Chuckawalla Mountains on Interstate ten. Their video was like, yes,
that's what I saw. My video was pretty far away
and I had, you know, a weird angle on the camera.

(42:56):
There was a stop light, so it wasn't you know,
I don't think it was the best video of something
like that, but the video they had that's what I saw,
and it was just the weird sparkle. It looked like magic.
I don't I don't even know how to like, if
you've got a sparkler, like like you know, Fourth of
July sparkler firework and it's lit and you're just kind

(43:19):
of streaking it back and forth and it and it
would just leave like a trail. That's the only thing
that I could say that that that's what it looked like.
But I mean, if somebody can find that video, you know,
more power to you. Hope you like it. I've tried
looking for it again and I can't find it. But
you know, there's so many videos on YouTube of sightings

(43:40):
and UFO related stuff very deep in there, I guess.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
Yeah, so I'll put on the website as well and
then people can have a look and then, you know,
maybe maybe get an answer for that one. But yeah,
I mean, you are very you're very close to the mountains,
and you know there is certain some things that go
on off in the mountains that they like to play
around with. So you know, you never know what, Yeah,
never know what you're seeing.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
The military is all over the place out there, so
it is said the flares and all this kind of
stuff that was going on all the time out there,
So could that have been what it is? Maybe I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
But but then again, you know, you know, you're not
too far away from Arizona, You're not too far from
Travis Walton and fire in the sky and all that
that kind of area.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
I will tell you, being a person that like my
dad in the nineties, gave me a copy of Comunion,
so I read it. I'm interested in the subject. I've
seen firing the Sky movie terrifies the craft out of me.
I watched it recently and I'm like, it's okay, it's
an okay movie. The parts that you know he's in
the craft and and you know, being abducted and everything
is still really super scary to me. But I think

(44:49):
it was two thousand and six, my kids, mom and
I we took a trip to Arizona. She has some
family that lived in Pine Top, which is really close
to Snowflake. So of course I'm like, oh, we gotta
go to Snowflake. And I was really disappointed because it
looks nothing like it looks in that movie. There's nothing
about Snowflake in that area that looked even remotely close.

(45:11):
And I know, you know, it's just a movie, but
it was kind of disappointing. Yeah, it's that's another thing
too that I mean, we have animals in this house,
and you know there's they have two cats, they have
two dogs. The animals have never I mean I know
that I've heard stuff are like, oh the animals will start,
you know, freaking out if there's stuff around, or that

(45:32):
they're sensitive to that kind of thing. I mean, I
don't remember anything with the cats or the dogs that
were here, not that that has anything to do with anything,
but I've always been told that animals are more sensitive
to this kind of stuff or something. Who knows.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
I've heard accounts from experiences where they've you know, they've
got two dogs, say, and one dog will be wanting
to know what's going on and be scared to be panicked.
He'd be restless, and then the other dog wouldn't care.
He just goes sleep in a corner. So I don't
know if animals can be kind of apathetic to certain situations.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
So, yeah, you never know. They can't tell us, that's
the thing.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
No, they can't. That's the That is the downside. Going
back to the back in the nineties when you had
to flash of light in the house and you're all
then in the kitchen, you're in the bedroom. Where were
the other members of the family.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
My dad and my sister were in the living room,
so the living room would have been facing west, and
I don't know what they were doing. They probably watching
TV or something, but the windows in the room huge,
two giant windows in the living room facing west, and
my mom was in her bedroom, master bedroom, which would

(46:45):
have been on the east side of the house. So
if there was, if it was a crop duster, there
would be no way that my dad and sister and
my mom would have seen the same thing the same light.
Absolutely no way unless there was crop dusters flying all
over the place. But again, we would have heard something

(47:07):
and it wouldn't That wouldn't account for how we all
just ended up in the kitchen and I don't remember
anything between seeing that light and being in the kitchen.
That was it. It was strange how calm we were
about it, and my sister, I don't think she really
likes talking about it, and I don't think really any
of us liked talking about but we all acknowledged that

(47:29):
it happened, and it was just this, you know, a
flooding light in the room maybe two seconds and then
we're in the kitchen. And it's nice to have other
people that remember the same thing that I do. It
makes it makes it seem a little bit more credible
in my eyes. But it's not like I, hey, you guys, remember, Yeah,
we remember that happened. That was definitely thing that is

(47:53):
unexplainable to all of us. My sister is not one
that cares about the subject at all. I would say
she's definitely more skeptical about that kind of stuff or
just doesn't care. But for her to acknowledge that that
that happened as well, it's kind of like, Okay, maybe
it did happen.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
Did they have any recollection that they were ultimately in
the in the kitchen? But then again, it's it's a
long time ago, so it's difficult to remember where was
I when you know, when something, when something happened.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
Yeah, I mean they from what I recall, they do
remember that as well. Like I said, I spoke with
my mom about this not too long ago. She remembers
it as well. She remembers being in the kitchen. My
dad has Alzheimer's. He's you know, he's laying in a bed.
He doesn't he doesn't even walk. So it's not like
I can ask him anything like that. My sister and

(48:42):
I'm sure if I asked her about it, she would
just be like, I don't know, it wasn't a big deal.
On next subject, But my mom and I are definitely
like the ones that are more interested in the subject,
and she she definitely remembered the situation. It's interesting too,
Like with my kids mind, she's had her own experience,
and this is predating me. And that's you know, like

(49:06):
I said, that's her story to tell. I don't know
if she never tell it, but I mean, it wasn't
anything anything near, you know, anything that I've experienced. But
I mean, she obviously had an experienced here when when
I was living here. But it's odd to me how calm.
You know. She's talked to me about it a few
times about seeing the thing in the in the bedroom

(49:28):
and what it you know, what she thought it looked
like what she saw me, I'm like, oh, no, nope,
I don't I don't want to see anything like that.
I don't want to see any person or weird being,
you know, walking in the room and full on seeing
it and then just I'm going to put the covers
over my head and hope it goes away. I probably
would have been screaming and turning the lights on. And

(49:51):
but I mean she's very calm about it. Nothing that
any of us has, like I said, any of us
has seen as ever hurt anybody. I'm not. I'm afraid
of this subject. But if you know, knowing that, hey,
this thing was in your house, yeah, it's like, dang,
I don't you know, what can I do about it?
Maybe it was a trick of the trick of the

(50:11):
mind or something. I don't know, but it's interesting, you know,
especially how calm she is about it or how like, Yeah,
it was there and it was weird, and I covered
my face. I didn't want to see it. But like
I said, she's had her own experiences in San Diego,
and you know, I know all those videos that were
released not too long ago, with all the the weird

(50:33):
objects that they have. The Navy was tracking and everything
out kind of west of San Diego and everything. I mean,
what she saw would have been kind of in the
same area out you know, west of San Diego Ocean.
But that's I wasn't there, so I can't sit and
say I'm only heard what she's told me about what

(50:53):
she saw, and it scared her enough to go home
to her grandma's house and sleep with their glass. You know,
I think that's kind of I don't want to say
that's typical of anybody to see something in the sky
floating around, But I know myself, I would be outside
trying to find it again, and then you know, crying
inside because were terrified.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
You know, the experience that you had with her where
you know, you were walking around, walking around outside having
a look for you know, what this light was, and
you remember her being asleep, and then the next day
when you discussed it, she was up one night reading
had this experience with this this disfigure in the room,
and she remembers you being asleep. So basically you both

(51:35):
remember each other being asleep and you know when you're
both active. Yeah, that's an unusual one.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
Yeah. The only thing that makes sense in my mind
is that these things didn't happen at the same time.
Maybe you know, I don't know exactly what time it
was when she saw this thing in the room. I
was asleep and I was awakened by that light. I
remember her being asleep. Maybe she saw that figure and
that happened to me seeing the flashing lights in the room.

(52:03):
Could be maybe what I saw happened before. But you know,
that wouldn't account for me seeing her asleep. And I
mean I remember her telling you that she didn't she
didn't get me sleep. She had a small business and
was sewing a lot, and so she would basically stay
up all night sewing, and you know, when when I
would go to work. That's when she would try to

(52:24):
get some sleep, and the kids would go to school
or they were actually homeschool, so they would do stuff
and she would be there. But we had like kind
of opposite schedules, so regularly she would be up at night,
either sewing or reading or something like that, and I
would just try to get some rest. But I mean,
maybe it happened at the same time. You know, I've
heard things were being controlled mentally being controlled and you know,

(52:46):
put in the sleep state. So it's very strange. The
fact that we both saw something strange in the same
night puts makes me think a little bit more that,
you know what, I don't think this is something that
I just made up. This isn't when I saw those lights,
it wasn't a dream. I don't remember being in a dream.

(53:07):
It was like I was up, I was outside, I
was looking around, I had a flashlight, I mean, checking
out the house. It was in a dream state. I
don't sleep walk. She definitely, I don't. She's never had
a situation like that where she's you know, hallucinating or
anything seeing things in the room. You know, what happened,
and that's all. We both kind of collaborated on. Yeah,

(53:29):
you know that that was the same night as well
as the thing with my son, Like, I mean, it
was the same the same night. We had the same
kind of dream.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
Where you were seeing beings and he was seeing snakes.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
Correct. Yeah, it was on the same night, and I
hadn't told anybody about it. It was horrifying enough for
me where it woke me up and I was just
in a full sweat, just terrified, and then you know,
I had to get up and check everything, make sure
everybody's okay. But just to hear that, having me not

(54:01):
told anyone and having my kids see this weird thing
on my back, and I'm like, huh. I wasn't at
that point saying oh, these things are connected. But you know,
after she had told me because she thought it was
weird seeing the thing on my back, and then she
told me like, oh, you know or something had this
dream last night whoa like I had basically the same

(54:24):
dream and they yeah, saw snakes, I saw beings. Couldn't
see what they were. It was too much light in
the room. It was just silhouettes. And again they were
they were wanting me to go with them. They're very
persistent wanting me to leave. And like I said, it
wasn't like they were saying it. It was it was
the feeling that I got, Like I don't remember hearing words.

(54:45):
It was the feeling like they were there. I needed
to leave with them. They wanted me to leave with them,
and I was just so mad. I did not want
them to be around my kids. That's what I remember
in the dream. That was like the most the significant
thing that I got from that dream is that I
was so mad that they were in my house with them,

(55:05):
because I don't remember previous to that experience, aside from
when my mom told me about, you know, the stuff
that happened in the eighties. When she said that, it
was like, this is the same stuff. This is the
same thing that's going on. As soon as she told
me that memory, or what she remembers me telling her,
it was like, you know, there was light, there was
things in the room. They were talking to me. This

(55:26):
is what it was, like the same thing. Is this
some weird thing that I've got going into my brain?
I don't know that, you know, I'm seeing lights and
people in my house or in my room. I you know,
at that point, I had not seen anything like that.
I don't have weird dreams about stuff, but never anything
like that where it's like woking me up where I've
just been terrified somebody's in my house. And like I said,

(55:48):
I when these things in that dream when I was
in the living room with my son, it felt familiar.
I don't know if I said that, but it just
felt familiar. I felt like, I don't want to say
that I knew it, but it just felt familiar. And
so hearing that from my mom that you know, this
little person that I saw that was completely a different memory,
or that I hadn't asked it or whatever, it brought

(56:09):
a lot back. And I think that's why when she
told me that, I kind of broke down. It was
just like, oh, this isn't just a one time deal
or you know, this just didn't start in like twenty eighteen.
This this has been a while.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
That things being familiar to you and that you know
you're angry at the fact they're visiting. I mean that
kind of just shows that something, you know, something has
been going on. But like you said, you know, if
if there was any danger, then it would have happened
by now. I think that the whole fear side of it,
and the anger as well. Is the loss of control

(56:42):
is the fact that you can't control the situation.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
Correct, Absolutely, I think I one hundred percent think if
it is actually happening, that's what it is. I don't
like not being in control of whatever situation that I'm in,
and maybe that stems from that. I definitely like to
have control of the situation in any any form, but
maybe having that, you know deep inside me where I

(57:07):
I've regularly been in a situation where I'm not in
control and there is nothing i can do about what's
going on. Maybe that's why that's in me. Yeah, And
plus it's just that being a father and having you know,
maybe these things that I've seen before in my past
being there with my kids and just no, I don't
want this to be around my kids. But you know, again,

(57:30):
nobody's been harmed. We're fine. I've had some marks on
my back. I mean, there's been worse things that I've
had done to me exactly right.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
You know, how old is your son now?

Speaker 1 (57:39):
He is going to be fourteen in a few weeks.
I think now at this point, he's not as visibly
afraid of the subject that man when he was younger,
he just wouldn't have any of it, did not like
it at all. And again, that's how I remember being
at that age. So I can go out and look

(58:00):
at stuff now and just you know, try to see things,
but deep down.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
And you know, he's at the kind of age now
where he may even approach you about it, you know,
he said, oh, Dad, you know I remember this. No,
I remember this dream, you know, or he may just
remember nothing right.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
And then that's actually when I picked him up from
school today and we were driving over, I'm like, oh,
you know, I have to get I have to get
to the house to do the podcast. And then he's like, well,
what are you going to talk about? And you know,
I've told him all this stuff before, you know, I
was telling him, you know, you don't like to dream
he had and he's like, I don't remember that. I
don't remember it anymore. And I was like, well, your
mom remembers you saying it. And this was I don't

(58:35):
know what two years ago, three years ago. So maybe
he's just blocked it out. Maybe he's just decided it's
not something that I want to hang on to. But
I don't think it would be something that his mom
would make up, especially since she told it before I
had even said anything about what I had seen. And

(58:55):
it's it's not something I made up, not not a
dream that I would even want to repeat. Until she
said that and told me about it, I'm like, oh, yeah,
I had the same dream. Interesting I as well. And
this is really cliche, but like, I have a thing
with owls. I have. I have a tattoo of a

(59:16):
now I have so many different I have paintings of owls.
I'm a huge Twin Peaks fan, so I you know,
the owls are not what they seem and all that
kind of stuff. So I don't know if being into
that kind of stuff has influenced my you know, obsession
with owls, or if it stems from all the other

(59:36):
stuff that I have going on. And I know, you know,
people mask these things with different animals or creatures or whatever,
like my son seeing snakes. He hates snakes, so maybe
that's what his brain recognized these things as snakes and
that's why he saw that. Maybe I saw them as owls.

(59:59):
I just saw them as figures in the house.

Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
Have you had any experience with with owls in particular?

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
Really say so I mean in the country living growing up,
there's we have a lot of owls that are the
kind of burrow in the size of the canals that
are out by fields, So you know, you would you
would definitely see owls or hear them. I've had a
few like fly bis where you only have those giant

(01:00:26):
white owls or whatever. You're just driving in the country
and then you know, you get pretty close, but I
just you know, kind of buzz over your car or whatever.
I think I listened to an episode recently where Guy
was talking about owls. You know, there was like an
owl on a street that he saw and it caused
him to kind of slow down, and there was some
other occurrences that he had with owls. But then again,

(01:00:47):
I don't know if that's from popular culture and that
that's why I recognize that and then I'm obsessed with it,
or it's just something that is something my brain recognizes.
These things. I've never done like a huge amount of
research into the owl thing. I know, like surface level stuff.
But you know, I've never really been able to explain

(01:01:08):
just the obsession, but so much that my kids know
that I'm that I'm into owls, So like my daughter
painted a I think it was her Father's Day. I'm
a huge Twin Peaks fan, so and we've we've made
the trip to Washington State and you know, I had
to visit all the locations and shooting locations and everything cool.

(01:01:28):
I think it was for Father's Day. She painted a
picture for me Agent Dale Cooper with an owl face,
and she's she's done some other ones of like owls.
I mean, they know, they know that I really like
owls and stuff, so they'll they'll always throw that kind
of stuff at me, which is fun. But I don't
know why I like them so much, or that it's

(01:01:49):
something that I've collected so much owl stuff, little statues
or paintings, and I think they're thing too. Is the
face of an OL's Obviously it's going to remind me
of a gray or that cover of Communion, you know
that that was I remember the exact place I was
when my dad bought that book and I saw that
cover and it scared the shit out of me. I

(01:02:12):
was terrified of that and I hated that cover. And
I know he had a hardback version which I have,
and I you know, if he was reading it out
of like take the cover off of that book, and
I was in we were in San Diego at my
cousin's house, and he bought that somewhere and it was
just like, get the cover off of that book. I

(01:02:33):
don't want to see that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
So a lot of people have had that reaction over
the years. It's just the way it was drawn. Yeah,
very real, you know. It's not the usual pictures that
you see, definitely not. It's just something about that particular image.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
It's just like a color. It's it's weird how those
these things like that, like it can be a collective Oh,
that strange. It's such a collective thing. I think so
many people have the same kind of experience, especially the
light thing. I hear that so much, and it's just
in it can't be something that I've made up, you know,
or just some response to movies or media or books

(01:03:11):
or something like that, you know, but just having other
people have the same kind of experiences.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
I think it's a case of people having these experiences
all over the world. And I just think that when
people express themselves, you know, which they do. They people
turn to writing books, people turn to doing artwork, making movies,
you know, and this is how things are expressed, you know,
and some and some works of art, you know, whatever
it might be, it might always not always be apparent
of what the actual main content of you know, their

(01:03:39):
emotions and the subject are trying to trying to relay.
But you can usually trace things back, and a lot
of people which have had these experiences and had some
form of communication have usually found themselves going down a
particular path that they wouldn't have normally done, and it's
usually like a transformation of them over time. So it's
been it's been beneficiary in a lot of ways, whether

(01:04:00):
it's spiritually mentally good stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
Okay, it's been a pleasure talking to you, and they're
cool to talk to you instead of just listening to.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
Well, it's good to speak to someone about this kind
of stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
You know. Most people that I know, aside from my
mom and my kid's mom, they're just kind of shrug
it off. Oh you know, I've told some friends about
things and they're just kind of like, okay, whatever, whatever.
There's an explanation for a lot of skeptical people in
my life. No one aside from those two people my

(01:04:34):
mom and my kid's mom, that really are are you know,
willing to be like, oh man, it looks like you
probably have something going on with you. Let that out
and like other people know in yourself. You know what
I've experienced, and I'm thankful for you giving me that
platform to come out there and say that stuff so.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
Well, Justin, I really appreciate you coming on and sharing
that for all listeners.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
Awesome, thank you, I appreciate it right. Thank you so much.
It's been pleasure.

Speaker 3 (01:04:59):
No worries, mate. You take care of yourself and I'll
talk to you soon you as well. Okay, bye, Justin.
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(01:05:20):
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