Ep.152 Shelter Island Discs (Throwback)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You'll be away five seventeen. Do you want to report
a UFO.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
It.

Speaker 1 (00:05):
We don't want to report every thirty one. Do you
wish to report a.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
UFO olver, Hey, we want to one of.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Those areas thirty one. Do you wish to find a
report of any kind of it?

Speaker 2 (00:18):
I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds time.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
Areas thirty one me neither.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
There were seven one golf. If it was anybody above
us to pass us, like thirty seconds ago, we were
sending one top of golf negative, okay, OFFI the UFO. Yeah,
it's murder two nine o'clock. Yes, if you passed over,
I got I don't know what it was, but it's
from at least to three thousand feet above us. See,

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I passed right over the top of us.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
Ninety one one.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
You just called up to me.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Be fours.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
They're after staying the airplanes.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Here to God on an unidentified object every liberty or
call or calm on an unidentified flying object.

Speaker 5 (01:13):
A Welcome to UFO Chronicles, a place where people share
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and he will be sharing his experiences, beginning with the
paranormal where he would see kats and a lady in
his house when he was young, and then he would
witness a disc shaped object that would appear to be
following the car he was traveling in at nine years old,
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Now on with the show. Welcome Trent to the show.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Thank you very much, pleasure to be here. I'm honored
to be a part.

Speaker 5 (03:38):
Of that, and it's great to have you come on today.
And you're calling from Long Island, New York.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Correct, the east end of Long Island, Shelter Island.

Speaker 5 (03:47):
Shelter Island. Great stuff. Okay, Now, Trent, you come on
today to share some of your experiences with our listeners tonight.
Would you like to start the very beginning for us?

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Please? Absolutely? All right. So, when I was young, maybe
around eight or nine, I have a memory of my
stepfather telling me that when I was in my you know,
twos and threes, we lived in a small house in
sad Carboro, which isn't far from where Iland now. And
I was just learning my words two or three years old, right,

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and so I would always talk about the cats. I
would tell my mom and stepdad that I see the cats,
and that I see this old woman. I see the lady.
So that was something that I started saying when I
was really really young and I was just learning to speak,
and you know, we didn't own any cats, and there
was no you know, elderly woman living in our house.

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And when they told me this, I was so fascinated
by it. I just wanted to know more. I would say,
tell me more, and then what, and then what. But
that was as far as the story went, and you know,
to them, they thought that, you know, I was really
really young, and it could be my imagination or it
could be the idea that, you know, young children are
more perceptible to energies that we can't necessarily see we

(05:00):
grow older, so it kind of just, you know, went away.
Now I don't necessarily remember, you know, seeing those cats,
but I definitely remember my stepfather telling me about it
and how obsessed I was learning more about that story.
So that was the first part of you know, growing
up and having strange experiences. So as I grew older,

(05:21):
I always had this horrible fear of ETS. I do
not know what it was like some type of obsession
at the same time. So I was definitely afraid. I
was super drawn anything involving UFOs or ets or anything
like that. When I was young, maybe around ten or

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eleven years old, it would be commercials on TV for
you know, unsolved mysteries and sightings and encounters, and these
commercials would come on TV, you know, tonight at eight sighting.
So I would see those and I would say, hey, mom, Mom,
I really want to watch yes tonight, and she would say, okay, sure,
So I'd go on there with the rest of my

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day and then you know, eight o'clock would come around
and that show would come on, and my mother would
call me. She'd like, Trent, it's time that show you
wanted to watch is going to be on. I'd say, oh, great, man,
run over to the TV and I would sit on
the floor right in front of the television, and within
moments of just like the visuals of seeing you know objects,
you know, lights in the sky would just turn me

(06:26):
inside out. I would just buckle over and I would
start to just like shut down, and it happened every time,
and my mother would come over to the TV and
shut it off, and you know, to her, I asked
her about it, you know, growing up, and she just
thought it was just a little bit weird. She didn't
think it was anything, you know, too too crazy, you know,
But looking back at it now in retrospect, like that's

(06:47):
some serious take, some serious red flags. And I'm a
father now and I have a son as well, and
if that type of behavior, you know, was coming from him,
you know, then that would definitely be something that I
would like to speak with him about, you know, more so,
you know, growing up having this wild, you know obsession,
It's like basically one of the only things that I
was thinking about, you know, growing up, was you know,

(07:08):
ET's and UFOs. The first encounter I had, I was
with a friend and we were headed up to massive
People for his karate practice. Now I didn't take karate,
but I was going along with the friend of the family.
And I'm not going to say his name because I
didn't ask him permission, so I'll just refer to him
as my friend. We went up to massive People, which
is it's a few hours from where we live here

(07:30):
on the East End. At this time, I'm probably around
twelve eleven or twelve, and I don't remember much of
the karate class, but I remember the way back. His father, John,
drove a minivan. It was a four wind Star, I believe.
It's one of those big green minivans with the sliding
door on one side and in the seat so the

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whole family can fit in its me, my friend, his
brother who was a little bit diner than him, and
his baby sister who was in the car seat, and
his mom who was in the past you see, his
father who was driving, and me and my friend. We
were sitting in the back, the very very way far
back of the minigat, so we weren't facing forward, and
we were saying basically in the trump and its miniman
that were staring out the window, you know, watching the room,

(08:15):
watching the lines, you know, the yellow lines on the
road disappear off into the distance as we drove by.
Now it got dark and we're going pretty fast, you know,
down you know, a rather large highway. It was a
two lane highway east and west, two lanes on each side,
so it was a four lane highway and up in
the distance. Me and my friend were both noticed there

(08:36):
was this large, this large disc just right up there
in the sky. It was tremendous. It was was large
to me. It was probably the size of an eighteen
wheeler or a truck hauling a trailer. And I'd say
it was probably relatively close. We're talking like five hundred

(08:56):
and two one thousand feet up in the sky, and
it seemed to be spinning, and the lights on it
were orange and red and blinking blue. There was no
green lights, so it was like orange and red. It
was just really really strange. And as we saw we
hollered out to the you know, to his parents, and
they were, oh, my gosh, Oh my gosh, look look,
and sure enough, all of us we started you know,

(09:18):
you know, scanning the skies, you know, because they were
facing a different angle. His mom was facing forward in
the front seat and she kind of climbed into the
back a little bit to peer up, and then she
saw it too. So this was a multiple witness you
know sighting. As you know, we're experiencing this, the disc
seems to be you know, flying along and seemingly following

(09:42):
the van. It was relatively late at night, and there
were no other cars that I remember, you know, on
the highway. But I remember exactly how I was feeling
and what I was thinking when this was happening. So
me and my friend Rana, and we were just experiencing
this craft. It was spinning also slowly. It was spinning slowly,
and it was traveling with us down the highway. I

(10:05):
remembered feeling not too uneasy and I felt okay with it,
and I think because I had company, And I remember
reflecting on that moment and thinking, Wow, this is great.
I'm experiencing this anomaly and I'm not freaking out like
I always do when I watched it on TV. And
me and my friend are in the back and were

(10:25):
sort of just like pretending we're communicating with it and
pretending we're talking to it. This whole experience lasted quite
a while. This was probably fifteen to twenty minutes of
just on the road with this thing. It didn't seem
to get any lower or any higher. It just stayed
study and followed along with us as we went. And
we were, like I said, we were rolling around in.

Speaker 4 (10:44):
The back of the van, laughing and playing and pretending
that we were talking to it, and after a little
bit something happened and there was a shift, There was
a shift in our emotions.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
I guess where I did start to get a little afraid,
and I can tell that my friend also was, because
we stopped laughing and we stopped playing. We just started
watching it and then that old familiar fear just set
in again. I felt it in the pit of my chest.
I felt it in my stomach. I just wanted to cry.
It was almost unbearable. And I saw that Frankie with

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my friend, was experiencing the same type of thing. And
his father, you know, John was always like a happy,
go lucky type of guy. He was always funny and
really really goofy, you really really playful, and he had
some really really really corny, weird jokes. And he was
driving and he was trying to sort of I don't

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remember him. And I saw his face when I looked
into his rear view Maren, and I saw that he
was desperately trying to cheer us up and make us laugh,
even though he was afraid himself. Now, I don't know
if I was just reading too much into it. Again,
I was only eleven or twelve years old, but this

(12:00):
is just what I was receiving from this you know scenario.
And then after a little bit after that, I can
tell we were all afraid. His father, John was driving,
and he wasn't saying anything. His mom was in the
passenger seat try and attend to his baby sister, and
the car seat that was forward facing and the seat
right behind her. It was just very, very scary for

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the rest of the trip while this thing was behind us.
And then that's it. Just like it came, it was gone.
The rest of the ride home didn't seem too unusual.
I didn't experience any lost time or anything like that.
But some of the next parts that I remembered is
and we got back to far out east where we live,

(12:46):
where I live, and I got to my mother and
the first thing I told her it was we saw UFO.
We saw UFI. And then I turned to go look
at John, so he would say, yeah, yeah, we did,
and he would it hopes that he would, you know,
confirm that I wasn't just you know, being you know,
playful and making of stories. And he did. He was like, yeah,

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we saw something in the sky. We saw a disc
and there was lights and they were orange and red
and he told her the whole thing. And as he
was telling her, I was so like pleased. I was
like yes. I was like finally, like now I'm not
going to be you know, brushed off like it was,
you know, just my imagination or nothing. And you know,
to my horror, my mother and she was like, oh
that's nice. I went back inside. I was like, oh

(13:33):
my god, this is a tremendous experience and it's just
like God. And I thought about that experience for a
very very long time. After reaching out to you, Nick,
I reached out to my friend. And I haven't spoken
to him, probably around since, so this is let's say
twenty years. I haven't spoken to him, and I sent
him a message on Facebook. I don't have any social media.

(13:55):
I did have a Facebook at one point. If you
go to a Facebook with my name, it's still there,
but I just don't use it, you know what I mean.
I have the messenger, but I don't do the scrolling
posting and stuff like that. Anyway, I went on Facebook
and I looked him up. Sure enough, I found him.
I sent him a message, and I quickly, you know,
I didn't like rekindle our friendship, but I quickly just

(14:17):
loved myself, you know, introduced myself again and say, hey,
we were really good friends when we were younger. Do
you remember me type of thing. He was like, yeah, absolutely,
And then, you know, shortly after that, I wanted to
cut to the chase. I was like, so listen, check
it out. We went to you know, karate practice, we
saw you know, if I want to explain the whole
story to him, and he remembers karate, but he doesn't
remember any of the UFO experience at all, had no idea.

(14:39):
And when I was explaining it to him, I could
see that, you know, with what he was texting back
is that this was not really It wasn't something he
was tremendously interested in. It wasn't something that he wanted
to really talk about. It wasn't the meant nothing. And
that's just you know the difference between so many people.
It's either it's a big deal or it's not so much.

(15:02):
So that was the first experience that I ever had,
you know, with physically seeing a craft in my awake state.
You know, fast forward a little bit, as I grew
up still struggling with this crippling fear of ets and
UFOs and at the same time it's morbid obsession. We're

(15:23):
all I believe that we're all kind of notorious for
I guess things that we do here in my hometown
on Shelter Island, there's probably like a thousand of us.
You know, I've lived here. So it's a very very
small community. It's like eight miles by six miles wide
and length, so I can drive across the island get
anywhere but within five minutes. So it's a weirdly shaped island.

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So if I were to go to the beach and
then walk all the way around, and I would take
an hour. So I'm just letting you know how it's
a small town. It's a very insular community. Seventy percent
of the island is actually nature conservancy, so we're all
kind of height here in the in the woods where
I live on this island. And what I'm saying is that,
you know, we're notorious for certain things. So people know

(16:08):
me around here as that fitness guy because I'm a
personal trainer and I work at the gym when I
work at the school gym, and I do personal training,
and that's what people see when they see me. They
see or I'm also known as the jeep guy, the
only guy around here that drives this massive lifted jeep
gram Cherokee. So I'm either the jeep guy or the
fitness guy, and in my mind, I'm the et guy.

(16:32):
Nobody knows that. I'm kind of reluctant to share with,
you know, other people because and we've all heard it,
like from many of the gases you know that you have,
and for many of people around there's this stigma that
we have once we start talking about you know, UFOs
or ets, it's like it's almost like taboo in a way. So,
you know, growing up having this crippling obsession, you know,

(16:54):
in the sphere. The idea for me now is kind
of weird that saying, you know, are we in the universe?
You know that question, and it's just so boring to
me now because it's blatantly obvious that we are not
alone in the universe and that we have we're visited
constantly and we will be for you know, I believe

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until the end of our existence. I believe that we're
constantly in this you know, evolution, and we're constantly being visited. Anyway,
fast forward, you know a little bit and The next
experience that I had was I was with my girlfriend
and my son and it was Montauk Highway, which is
County Road thirty nine. It was a bright, beautiful sunny day.

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It was a Sunday, and it was about two years ago,
and it was in the summertime, so it was very,
very sunny. It was in the afternoon, probably around one
o'clock or two o'clock, and we were driving. We were
on the highway and my son was in the backseat
and my girlfriend at the time was in the passenger
seat and now driving her car. She had a brand
new black Chavy Cruise. The car was very new and

(18:03):
it still smelled like new car on the inside. It
was not a cloud in the sky. And we were
listening to music as we were driving. And at this point,
you know, the relationship with her and my life so far,
she knew my obsession with ets, and she didn't really
I don't know. She was kind of supportive, but kind

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did not She had this It's almost like she thought
it was unhealthy, I think, but she didn't. This isn't
her words, This is just me assuming and it's sort
of like she seemed that it was unhealthy that I
had this obsession, even though that I barely told her
half of what the obsession was like for me. So

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we're driving. We're on the highway, about relatively close maybe
like like five hundred feet up into the sky. There
is this black disc and it's rotating, but it's also
flip flopping, if you can sort of understand what I'm saying.
So the top is flipping over the front as well
as a spinance. It's maneuvering like really really really really wild,

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almost like it's out of control. It was large, it
was it was probably at the size of the car,
and it just popped right into my line of sight,
almost directly in front of us. And then I slammed
my chest up to the steering wheel so I could
get a good look at it because it was relatively close.

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And I quickly started to drive right underneath it, and
I said, holy shit, and I, you know, stuck my
head right up to the windshield to try to look
up because we were just passing under and my son
in the back it was like what And then my
girlfriend in the passenger seat she yelled, she says, holy shit.
And I didn't realize that when we were approaching this thing.

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We were also the middle of passing a large truck.
So when I put my head up to the windshield
and slammed my chest and then the steering wheel, I
started to merge into the other lane and I got really,
really uncomfortably close to this other truck. She's in the
passenger seat, so these big, monstrous wheels are just humming away,
like right in her face. And she was furious. She

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didn't see, you know, the UFO. She just saw me
being a weirdo once again, like throwing myself around looking
up in the sky. She didn't want to hear it.
I was like, did you see that? Did you see that?
Oh my god, Oh my god. I'm trying to look
into the room there. But I really have to focus
on the road, especially now that I almost touched this truck.
You know, we're doing you know seventy you know on
the highway, and you know, just touching a wheel from

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the semi I think would be an utter disaster, especially
with her brand new car. That put like a serious
like I don't know, there was like some weird energy,
you know. After that, I wasn't able to express my excitement.
I don't think for what I just saw. And my
son didn't see it because he was sitting in the
back and he was twelve, and he had his face
buried in his iPad of course, so he's not looking

(20:57):
at anything that's happening out out of the windows. And
I think about this. It was a very very short
slighting and I think about this, Oh my god, almost
every day. It's like it was just the craziest. It
was very very fast. It was so surreal, just the
motion in the way that this thing moves, where that
it was flipping and spinning at the same time. I
didn't see any lights on it. It didn't seem to

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be metallic or reflecting any of the sunlight. But it
was black and pretty well versed in where a drone
sounds like it looks like in the size of them.
So I, you know, you know, write that off. And
it wasn't a drone. It was definitely this large desk.
I was at the size of a car. It was
absolutely crazy. And you know, a little bit further down

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the road, you know, I was, like I said, I
was trying to see into the rearview there, and then
I wanted to look into the you know, look through
the back wind to see if I could see it again,
and I couldn't see anything. It just popped in and
then popped out. And that was the second sighting that
I ever had, which was again, that was something I
think about a lot. So one of the other things
that I want to talk about is an experience that

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started to happen to me right around that same time.
I shared with you Nick already that I've learned that
some of us in the spiritual community would call this
a spiritual awakening, but for me, it seemed more like
a nervous breakdown. I would like to share with you
and our listeners my experience. So, like I said before,

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I'm a personal trainer and I exercise every day, exercise
for an hour a day, every day, no matter what.
And at this moment, at this point in my life,
this was about three or four years ago, at this
part in my life, this chapter in my life, I
wasn't experiencing anything overly stressful than any other time in
my life, but it was definitely one of the strangest

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things that started to happen to me. I finished exercising
in my little crabit studio and then I went to
go walk into my apartment and shower up, just like
I always did. And then I was going to go
have dinner with my golf I'm sure it right down
the road from where island. As I walked into my apartment,
I started taking off my wet gym clothes, and in

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the middle of that, I forgot what I was doing,
and I started to put my gym clothes back on.
I put my gloves back on, and my pants and
my shorts and my shirt, and I stepped outside and
walked back across the lawn and went over to my
fitness studio. Again. I just didn't realize what it was,
that what I have done and what I was doing.
And I opened the door to my studio and I
looked inside, and to my horror, I saw the dumbbells,

(23:31):
the weights that I was using for the last movement
that I was executing, sitting there right there on the floor.
And all the memory came back. Hey, I just exercised.
Why did I get dressed again and come back out here?
And it occurred to me that I totally lost track
of time. I not only lost track of time, but
I lost like a sense of self in a weird way.
I lost I was just totally in question of everything

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else that whole day at this point, and then I
started to questioning the whole meeting, and then I started
to question years of my life. Was I who I
thought I was? I just didn't know myself. I didn't
know anything. And then I started to get very very confused,
and I got very very very scared. And I turned
around and I go to walk back inside my partner,

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and I'm trying to, like, you know, cool myself off
a little bit, like tone down, like I'm getting really
worked up here. I take my clothes off again, and
I turned the shower on. I reach into the shower
and I turn it on, and you know, the water
is splashing against the wall in the shower, and I
definitely know that sound. And I'm looking forward to happening
into a shower after my workout. And then I go

(24:33):
into my bedroom for a second to get my other
clothes prepared for when I get out of the shower,
and again, to my horror, I see my post workout
shake cup. So every time after I exercise, I always
make sure I have my appropriate vitamins and protein. Right,
I already had my post workout shape in my bedroom

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and I put it down, and I didn't realize. So
now I'm getting really really scared. I have no idea,
like what time it is, where I am. I'm just
losing it. And I hop into the shower and I'm thinking,
you know what, like I felt like I was in
the wrong place or like the wrong time. It was
really weird. And I hop into the shower and I'm
thinking that the cold water or the warm water hot

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water is gonna sort of help ground me, to bring
me back to where as I was supposed to be,
because I would take a shower and then get dressed
and then go to my girlfriend's like I always do,
and stick to my schedule. Anyway, that wasn't happening. I
got into the shower and everything started to turn like black.
I sort of losing my vision. I put my hand
on my chest because I thought my heart was bursting
out of my chest. I couldn't feel my heart beat

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coming out of my chest, but my knees started to buckle.
I was so scared, and I was so confused. I
didn't know who I was or how I got there
or anywhere. I started to almost like collapse. So I
put my right hand out to the wall of the
shower to hold myself up on a little the little
bar in there, the whole towels or soap or something,
and you know, I turned a shower off and I

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stagger outside and I get on my phone. I'm dripping
my towel, you know, just draped around my shoulders, and
I called my girlfriend and I say. She picks up
and I say, hey, something is wrong. I don't know
what it is, and she hangs up. She hangs up,
and she can tell right away something was wrong. And
she got in her car and she came right over
the house. She drove right over. So I'm just like

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sitting there probably like a minute. And she lives very
very close, and she probably flew really fast down the road.
She burst in, and then I am standing in my
living room in my towel, and she looked on my
face was unlike anything she's ever seen, she said, I
looked so scared, like I just saw a ghost. I
was really happy to see her, but the feeling wasn't
going away. She grabbed me and you know, gave me

(26:42):
some clothes to put on, and I went back to
her ass and I sat on the couch, and you know,
she turned on her TV and she sat down next
to me and she wrote my arm. For four hours,
I couldn't do anything. I couldn't talk, I couldn't if
I closed my eyes, I would feel like I was spinning,
or like I was falling, or like I was gonna die.
When I was in that shower, and right before the

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shower and after, I felt like this is my last breath,
like I'm absolutely going to die right here, right now.
And I was so afraid. I didn't know what was
happening to you. So a little while later, you know,
it's time for bed, it's getting late. We both have work,
you know, very early in the morning, and she drives
me home. She asks him, I'm going to be okay.
I'm thinking, yeah, I'm going to be all right. I
didn't know if I was going to be a right.

(27:24):
I just said that. I mean, yeah, I was really tired,
but I was also wired. I didn't know what was happening.
I lay down into my bed. Every time I closed
my eyes, I felt myself spinning. I just felt like
I was just losing myself. It was the strangest thing
I've ever experienced anything like that in my entire life,
and then the next day I woke up and I
still had some of that feeling. So if I could rate,

(27:45):
you know, this unease or this confusion on a scale
of one to ten, I woke up with like, you know,
six or seven, and then you know, I got dressed
and I started going to work, and then I drove
over to the ferry because I was doing a client
off island, and as I approached the ferry, I started
to feel it again. I showed up to hyperventila and
I had to pull over and I couldn't get myself
together enough to just drive. I couldn't do anything. I

(28:06):
was just I was completely falling apart and I started,
I mean, there was tears running down my face. And
then again I felt like I was going to die.
I felt like, here I am, I'm going to have
some heart attack in my car, and the next thing
there's going to be police and ambulance is all around
my vehicle here on the side of the road. I'm
going to pull me out and I'm going to be
going to the hospital and I'm going to die, very
very very scary. So this experience happened to me for

(28:30):
days and days and days and days, and I didn't
know how to get rid of it. I didn't know
what it was. I didn't know what was happening. The
confusion that was setting in there was some of the
strangest other aspects of this whole scenario. Back then, I
had Facebook, and I would log into it and I
would see, you know, people on my feed, and I

(28:51):
can see my Messenger and my chats, and there were
a few people that I had conversations with and we
spoke with, you know, just about you know, different things,
whether it was you know, jeeps or fitness and stuff
like that. And when I went on to Messenger, all
those people that I had conversations with, they didn't have

(29:12):
conversations with them. I just thought that I did. It
was kind of kind of scary. I was imagining, I think,
communicating with these people that it was like once again
I was not in the accurate or the appropriate reality
or something. I know that I spoke with these people
about any mundane stuff and these messengers just weren't there.

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Speaker 1 (30:46):
Another experience that I had with this was exercising early
in the morning because my girlfriend, my son, and I
we're gonna head out and we're gonna go to a
trip and we're going to go on I don't know
if it was a vacation, but we're going to go
somewhere pretty far away and maybe up to year city
or something. It takes like a couple of hours to
get there. So we left early in the morning and
we hopped onto the ferry and the sun was coming up,
and we pulled into the neighboring town, which is called Greenpoint.

(31:08):
Right off the ferry, there's a deli called Sterlington's. And
we pulled into Sterlington's and I grabbed my son, you know,
I opened the door for him out of the back seat,
and I'm explaining to him the types of things they
have on the menu, because he's very, very picky, and
I know what he likes to eat. My girlfriend, I'll
explaining to her the things that I eat when I
go to Sterlington's, because she's never been there, explaining to

(31:29):
her that, you know, we can get this healthy food
and you know, homelet and grilled chicken and blah blah blah.
And then we walk up the steps and I hold
the door and then they walk in. And that's the
you know memory I have. I can smell the deli,
I can relive that moment again and again. And I
asked her about it a little while later, while I

(31:50):
was having these experiences of not knowing what it was,
and she's never been to Sterlington's. We never went anywhere
early in the morning. I never had to go to
my fitness studio exercise before the ferries opened, but I
know that we did. So I'm torn. And when I
would think about that, it would set me off and
I would have this freak out and I wouldn't know

(32:11):
what was happening. So fast forward a little while. I'm
dealing with this now for a few months, and I
was very reluctant to share it with people because here
I am this health guide, this fitness guide, and I
think what was happening to me? In my mind, my eyes,
it was a serious ailment. It was like, I'm not healthy,
I have a problem, I have a sickness, and I

(32:33):
was hoping that it was so I went to I
had blood work done, and I went to a series
of doctors that did cat scans and all types of
stuff to see what it was. And I was certain
that I had some type of like a neurological disorder.
It was scary, but at least it could have been treatable.
I went through the whole gamut trying to find out
what it was that was happening. Maybe I thought it

(32:53):
was possibly something with my diet. Maybe it was my
blow sugar it was spiking or falling. Maybe I was
hyper seeming, or maybe it was a precursor to diabetes.
I didn't know what it was, but I was definitely
going into some sort of shock. And I was definitely
having these breakdowns multiple times a day for weeks and
weeks and weeks and weeks, and each time this would happen,
I was certain that it was my last breath, and

(33:16):
it was very, very very scary. I wouldn't wish that
on anybody. So one of the times it was happening,
I was at work, and sure enough, that feeling started
setting in just out of nowhere. I just started to
get afraid, and I started to get confused. I was
driving home from visiting a client. The sun was setting
in the sky, and just like that, I wasn't sure
if I was going to meet a client or if

(33:36):
I was driving home. I didn't know what time it was.
I looked at the clock, and I didn't feel right.
I felt like time was not moving appropriate direction. And
I was so used to my entire life and I've
never experienced anything like this. The few people that I
did share this with, Like I said, I was reluctant
to share it with anybody. I found a lot of
comfort in just sharing what was happening to me, even

(33:57):
though I was a small amount of people. It was
like two people. I shared this one while it was happening,
and I went onto YouTube and I would look for
videos of similar things. And what I learned is that
what was happening it was called a panic attack. It
was like an anxiety type of disorder. And yeah, that
was kind of scary, but at the same time, I

(34:19):
wished that it was something I could treat because all
the information on panic attacks there was nothing you can
really do. So I was on YouTube. I was driving home.
I was confused, and there was this anxiety relief meditation
and I had never done any meditation before. I had
no idea what that was, or I knew what it was,
but I'd never done it, you know. So I pulled
over and I popped YouTube open, and I started listening

(34:43):
to what the meditation said, and I did all the stuff,
you know, sat there in my seat and I put
my hands in prayer and I closed my eyes and
I took ten deep breaths in through my nose and
out through my mouth, and I focused on what it
was that they were saying, and it was like a
ten minute long meditation. And when I woke up, that
was fine. The panic was gone, and I was just okay,

(35:04):
okay to drive, and I was like, wow, like that
really really helped. So fast forward a little bit, more
meditating every day. It's becoming my spiritual practice that I need,
that I have to do every day or else I
would have this freak out I thought. I felt like
I wasn't sure where I would have these panic attacks

(35:25):
or these anxiety attacks, but I was afraid to go
to places during my day where I started to feel
them before. So I would be afraid to go to
a certain aisle in the grocery store. I would be
afraid to go to the gym at a certain time
because that's where I almost felt it happening, maybe a
couple of days before, and I would fall into these routines.

(35:46):
I would fall into this pattern that I had to follow.
This is It was just totally sick, and I wasn't
sharing this with anybody, but I was trapped in this
like fear of that if I stepped outside of my
pattern or my schedule that I would die, So the
meditations that I would do would really really help a lot.
One particular day, I recognized that I've been panic attack

(36:08):
free or anxiety free for months, and I didn't even
recognize it. I felt so good, and I felt like
it was behind me, but I still continued to meditate.
I was sitting on the grass and I was doing
my daily meditation. You know, I was laying down in
the sun, and I was taking my breath, and I
had my eyes closed, and I was seeing all the
appropriate stuff. And then I opened my eyes. Everything kind

(36:28):
of changed. As I grew. I knew that plants and
trees were alive, but I never felt it like they
were alive. When I opened my eyes that day, after
that meditation, I could feel the trees. I can feel
all of nature all around me. Even though I was
outside alone on the grass, I felt like I was

(36:49):
surrounded by people. So if you're sitting in your room
or you're sitting somewhere at your house and you have
your back to the door and somebody comes in and
they don't say anything, and they stepped very very softly,
and they're totally silent, you can still feel their energy.
You can pick up on that energy signature that they
have well to me. When I opened my eyes after
that meditation, all the trees were the same. They felt

(37:11):
like people. Some were happy, some were sad. Some were
very very very powerful and very very very strong. And
I thought, Oh my god, am I having a panic attack.
At that moment, a bee flew right in front of
my face and it was hopping from dandelion to dandelion,
And in that moment, I felt so connected to that bee.

(37:33):
I was another expression of that bee. I felt like
we had the same mind and I was just sharing
this reality with that bee. A couple of birds flew over.
Oh that was crazy. I looked at the birds, and
then suddenly I felt like I was. The birds flying
through the trees were right in front of me. At

(37:53):
this moment, a big gust of wind came by and
it blew all the blades of grass like a wave,
and they started right behind me. I could see them
in my peripheral and they shot out across the big
grassy lawn that I was sitting on. At that moment,
I realized everything was like the lawn. Every blade of

(38:13):
grass is you know, seemingly separate, but at the same
time connected on such an intimate level. I started to
have tears come down my eyes, and that was for me,
I think, the breaking point of the spiritual awakening, you
know that I was happening. I did some research and
I tried to find out, you know, why, what was

(38:35):
this that was happening to me. You know, I'm really
coming to the understanding from what I totally believe is that,
you know, we're all on the spiritual path. You know,
we're all having this human experience, and we're all destined
for some type of evolution. And I think that more
and more people are going to be waking up to
the idea that this illusion of separation is simply that

(38:58):
it's just an illusion of separation and we're all very,
very connected.

Speaker 8 (39:01):
Meditation has been like a daily practice, you know, of mine,
and I was continuing doing it each day. I felt
like I really needed to because without it, I wouldn't feel,
you know, as grounded, almost like I was gonna float
away or something. So I distinctly remember one particular scenario
where I'm staring out the window from my little living

(39:22):
room in the apartment that I rented, and across the
yard was the forest or a little patch of woods,
and you know, so I'm staring out and I see
this little pile of leaves and some rocks underneath this tree.
And from the angle that I was staring at, it
looked to me exactly like an alien face. So it

(39:43):
looked like a gray right, and I knew it was,
you know, leaves, but I was kind of fixated on it.
I was like, oh, that's interesting. It like made the
shape of the you know, two large eyes and a
tiny little nose and a little mouth, and that like
a little familiar feeling, you know, was there of ooh,
you know, grays, I'm afraid type of thing. And I'm
staring at it, and I put my face up closer

(40:05):
to the window and I'm just you know, peering out
at this you know, formation of leaves and rocks.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
And then.

Speaker 8 (40:14):
As I look further, it moves. And what happened here
is it wasn't leaves and rocks.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
It was a cat. It was the neighbor's cat sitting
underneath this tree. And I was actually staring at the
back of this cat. And right when that happened, this
idea came or this like notion or this It almost
felt like a memory where when I was a young kid,

(40:40):
I kept on talking about seeing the cats, and I
realized in that moment it wasn't.

Speaker 8 (40:46):
Cats that I was seeing. I believe that I was
being visited by ets as a very very young child.
And that was just the way that my my brain
or my mind could interpret what it was that I
was seeing, because you know, we're never taught about having
that type of experience, so it was totally no pun

(41:08):
intended alien to me. And that's just the representation that
I got, and that's how I made sense of it.
So that's what I kept on telling my stepdad and
my mom that I was seeing cats.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
So that was kind of a big.

Speaker 8 (41:19):
Thing for me to have that realization and what I
thought of that, Like, I had this feeling in my
chest like it was the strongest, most powerful like thing,
like it was absolute truth, totally amazing, and to put
it into perspective, you know, I'm just you know, sitting
in my living or standing in my living room, you know,
passing by, and then all of a sudden, I had
this realization and it's like in that brief moment, you know,

(41:41):
time stopped and it was like wow, like what is this,
you know, life that we're living in and the things
that happened to us and the sense that we make
of it. So, you know, moving forward a little bit more,
meditation is still, you know, a big part of my life.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
And another experience that I had.

Speaker 8 (42:02):
I was outside and I was doing my daily meditation
where I would focus on my breath and it was
actually a transcendental meditation, is what I was focusing on
at this moment, back.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
To a point where I could literally feel like my
consciousness was almost like separating from my body, where I
would lose sense of self and sense of time. The
deeper and deeper I got into this meditative state, so

(42:36):
as I'm lying down, I was able to get to
a point where it felt like I would lose the
feeling in my feet and then my legs, and then
my hips and my torso and all that was left
was just my head and it would feel like my
feet would start to sink down. So imagine laying down,

(43:01):
you know, in a lying down position, you know, horizontal
to the ground, and then your feet starts swinging down
into the ground all the way down until you're at
an angle and then in a standing position, so my
head is still on the same spot on the grass,
but it felt like I was standing. And when that

(43:23):
started to happen, at first, it would sort of, you know,
scare me a little bit, and I would come out
of my meditation and I would be brought back to
I guess, pop back to reality.

Speaker 8 (43:34):
But after a little bit of doing this a couple
of times, I wanted to see how far I can go,
and I learned to not you know, be afraid of it,
but just to be a little excited about it and see,
you know what happens here. So I'm outside, I'm doing
this meditation, I'm doing my breath, and I'm starting to
lose sense of everything, and I'm really getting deep into
the meditation. And then my feet feel like they're starting

(43:55):
to sink. And then all of a sudden, I can't
recall if it was like, you know, it feels like
a memory, it feels like a dream, it feels like
a day dream. It feels like so many things compiled
into one, but the experience was so real. So what
happens is I open my eyes and I'm in a

(44:15):
sitting position and I'm sort of hunched over, and right
in front of my face, someone is holding what looks
to be like some type of iPad, and I'm staring
at it, and I'm talking, and I'm talking to someone
who is sitting at my left, And what I get
out of it is I'm speaking to a young girl.
And in this moment while I'm speaking, I think to myself,

(44:38):
how honored I am to be able to be in
this position where I'm speaking to somebody about what is
happening in this moment. And it must be because I
experience this all the time, and now I am like
a veteran to this experience, and now I'm guiding someone else.

(44:59):
So what's happened here is as I look at what
seems to be this iPad in front of me, I
can see that there's a hand, an arm holding this iPad.
And as I look up, it's this It's a gray
but very tall and tan, and it's holding this iPad
for me to see. And what's on it. It looks

(45:20):
like blueprints to what seemed to be like a house
or a ridge structure of a roof. And what I'm
explaining to this young girl is how her and I
were transported through the roof and onto this craft where
we are now, and I'm explaining to her that there's

(45:41):
nothing to be afraid of, and it's simply that we
matched the vibration of the roof and floor joists and
the rafters and we floated right through them.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
And now we're here. And as I'm saying this, you know,
I look, you know, up, and I see this this
alien gray who is tan, and the fear part is
kind of gone. And I'm really really excited, and I
have a lot and I really feel like this is
an honorable experience, you know, to be had. And I

(46:15):
felt like it was an experience that I'm used to.
It's familiar, and I've been in the presence of this gray.
The feeling I get is that it was a male.
It had like a male presence, and I wanted to
ask what its name was because I felt like it
was a part. I felt like it was something I've

(46:36):
experienced many times in the past, except now. The only
difference is that I'm talking to another person. I hate
this girl, And.

Speaker 8 (46:43):
Right as I think to ask this question, I'm shot
back into my body and all of a sudden, I'm
outside on the grass again in this meditation, and I'm like,
I'm like sweating and I'm shaking, and I'm like, what
is going on here? And the last thing that I
remember right when I opened my eyes is this voice.
It sounded a little bit like my voice, but a
little bit different, and of course it was coming from
you know, within my own you know mind here, and

(47:04):
it just said the word Guardian, and I thought, wow,
is that this being's name Guardian. That was one of
the most intense experiences that I think I've ever had.
And I don't really talked about it too much to
many people, mostly because of that, you know, that stigma
that we have about ET contact or.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
Even you know, seeing UFOs.

Speaker 8 (47:27):
I mean, I think that the stigma is still there,
even though it's lightening up quite a bit. So after
you know, having this experience and doing meditation, I was,
you know, hungry for that again.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
I wanted to do it more and more. And I
felt this like connection between me and this this being Guardian.
And to tell you the truth, it was kind of
wild because the fear aspect wasn't there now. I mean,
I mean just before that, like maybe weeks before, you know,
at this point, kind of forgot how old I was
at this point, maybe I'm like thirty four or something
watching TV and I'm learning about actual project and it's

(48:01):
like a YouTube video. It's late at night and I'm
sitting on my bed and in the video they show
a picture of an alien gray and just the picture
of it made me kind of freak out again, just
like when I was younger and I would want to
watch those videos, uh, those sightings and stuff like that
where it's like, all of a sudden, I couldn't breathe
and I started reaching for the remote and I started

(48:23):
freaking out. I was like, oh my god, Oh my god,
Oh my god, get it away, get it away, get
it away. And then you know, the scene changed the
YouTube show and then the feeling kind of went away.
It was like lifted. And after, you know, watching that,
what I was left with was like, wow, Like why
am I having? This? Is like such an impactful thing.
Like here I am. I'm like, you know, a grown
man in the comfort of my own house watching this

(48:46):
video and the mirror image of an et just like
sends my body into shock. It's like the craziest And
I know that there's other people that might be able
to relate to you know, similar stuff. So after this,
you know, in a meditation and speak.

Speaker 8 (49:00):
With Guardian, the idea that I wasn't afraid anymore was
was was huge for me. Continuing with meditation and you know,
learning about astral projection and all of this stuff and
lucid dreaming like big topics of interest for me, I
wanted to ask more and more questions, and as I did,
I was able to kind of get you know, some

(49:20):
like answers from this this being I guess and like
the form of like my own thoughts.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
So it wasn't really like I'm being told what to do.
Now I'll share with you some of the things that
I would ask now.

Speaker 8 (49:31):
Forgive me if I sound like too preachy, you know,
but I mean I'm not trying to tell anybody, you know,
how things are, what to believe or whatnot. This is
just my experience when I would speak with Guardian in
this meditative state, which I was able to get into
more and more frequently and easier as time progressed. You know,
we all have these questions, you know, about ourselves, you know,

(49:53):
who are we and where do we come from? And
what is our purpose and stuff like that, and we
often ask these questions, but then we don't really investigate.
These are some things that I wanted to ask, you know,
a guardian and he has this like sense of humor
almost now. I don't know if that's because it's also
a representation of my own, you know, consciousness, or that's
how he is. I have no idea, but so I'm

(50:15):
in meditation again and I'm in this presence, I feel
his presence, I don't see him this time, and I
ask where are we from? You know, thinking like are
humans from some distant star? And where brought to Earth?
And he simply said, in this funny way, he just
says Earth.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
You know, where are we from? Earth?

Speaker 8 (50:36):
Like no, duh, And it's like, huh, that's pretty interesting.
I wanted to ask him what the purpose was for existence,
like why are we here on Earth? And what he
said was that there are many different reasons or many
different purposes for someone to be here.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
As there are people. He said that each person has
a unique path or unique purpose, so there's many different purposes. However,
there's a common theme that a lot of us share
in our human experience is that it's just self exploration
and discovery to merely see what it's like to be

(51:16):
in this physical reality.

Speaker 8 (51:17):
I also wanted to ask him, you know, why are ets.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
So scary to me?

Speaker 8 (51:23):
Why are abduction sequences so frightening for so many people?

Speaker 1 (51:28):
And he said that, you know, humans aren't really afraid
of ets. He said, I'm not afraid of aliens. I'm
afraid of myself. I didn't know what he meant, but
what he said was, I'm afraid of losing control. He said,
the idea of a gray coming into your bedroom at
night when you're you know, sleeping, and taking you out

(51:50):
of your house and bringing you through the roof or
out of sliding glass window onto a craft. You're powerless,
You're vulnerable, and that is what we're actually afraid of.
And it's because he said that us humans, we as humans,
we are extraordinarily powerful, but we forget that we are.

(52:11):
And it's the idea that what we're afraid of is
losing the control. I then asked him about alien abductions
and he told me that, you know, humanity is evolving,
is constantly growing, constantly shifting, and so is the consciousness
of the planet. We are reaching higher elevated states, you know,

(52:33):
of consciousness. And he said that ets are the same
everything in the universe, and all the universes are evolving.
So he told me that alien abductions don't really happen
any more like they used to, and I thought that
was kind of neat. He said, around what.

Speaker 8 (52:50):
We would call, you know, the eighties, the nineteen eighties
is when they started to shift and subside from you know,
taking people out of their houses and stuff, and what
they were essential doing, as he said, they were sort
of monitoring, monitoring human frequency through their emotions and just
seeing what we were like and how we would react,
you know, to their presence. He said that there's all

(53:12):
these different types of reasons why ET's are interested in humans.
But he said, but they have evolved as well, and
now that they simply don't have to go into people's
houses and take them through the roof anymore, they can
essentially do their business and do what they need to
do without the restrictions of what we would call time.
So they can come into our space and do what

(53:34):
they need to do. And instead of you know, maybe
you've heard of like alien implants or strange scars and
stuff like that, like that is kind of a thing
of the past as well, where what they would do
now is simply manipulate or tweak, you know, the DNA
in an individual, and this can be done seamlessly and
integrated into a millionth of a nanosecond, and for them

(53:56):
it could.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
Be as much time as they need.

Speaker 8 (53:58):
But time for them as it passes in time for
us as it passes is completely different now. So the
alien abduction experience has changed so much. Where people are visited,
people are having these encounters, but at literally last.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
The smallest moment, and we wouldn't really remember it.

Speaker 8 (54:14):
I asked him about sleep paralysis and why that was
so scary.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
What he said to me is that when we.

Speaker 8 (54:22):
Incarnate into our human body, we are separated from spirit,
our spiritual self, our full core self. He said that
our belongings and our memories, and our jobs and our
clothes and all the things that we think that are us,
they're not. They're just small fractions of us here in
this physical reality. And the totality of us is this

(54:45):
much larger entity or this much larger aspect of consciousness.
And he said that in order to flow and navigate
through a third dimensional reality, we need to have this
illusion of contenuity, like one moment moving on to the next,
to the next, to the next, to the next. He said,
outside of our physical reality, in our spirit form, time

(55:08):
does not really exist.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
But what does is our experience of time. He said.

Speaker 8 (55:12):
How this happens is we're shifting through billions of parallel
realities a second, and that's how we get the illusion
of time. So think of a flip book. The flip
book exists as a whole. All the parts are already there,
all the pages are already there, but as you flip
through the page, quicker and quicker and quicker, or flip
through the pages, the images on the pages seem to

(55:34):
move and they give motion. That is essentially how we
describe what time would be like. So when we're sleeping,
we are not all in our physical form. There's a
larger aspect of us that is in spiritual form, shifting
through these billions of multiple realities a second. And when
we come back into physical reality, we have to make

(55:56):
sure that we're going into the right reality. So the
idea of paralysis being stuck to the bed, you know,
our eyes are open and where we can barely breathe,
we try to make a noise.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
We're freaking out because we have no control.

Speaker 8 (56:07):
Sometimes we have this presence of another being inside the
bedroom or something like that, and I've had this experience twice.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
It was insanely scary.

Speaker 8 (56:16):
What he told me was that you don't have to
be afraid of it, and think of it more along
the lines of like a seat belt. He said, think
of it as when you're waking up, you're reintegrating back
into the reality that you need to be in. So
sleep paralysis is actually a good thing. Now, enjoy it
and let it happen. Sort of think of the idea
of being secured and strapped in and just know and

(56:38):
have faith that you're going to end up in the
right place.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
Now. When he told me this, I have experienced sleep
paralysis one more time, and by having the idea of
not fighting it, it was able to come and go
really quickly, and it was a seamless easy event, and
I was very grateful to have it and have that outlook.
So maybe for some others that are experiencing sleep maybe
if you hear this, maybe that's something you can try

(57:02):
to remember. It's not anything to really be afraid of,
and you don't necessarily have to fight it, but be
grateful for it. As you can see the stuff that
I was interested in at this time. It was really
leading me down to a path of like spirituality, ILike
chat forums and I had Facebook at this time, and
there's this big spiritual community and the hot topic was
the law of attraction.

Speaker 8 (57:22):
That movie The Secret came out, and you know, manifesting
your destiny or manifesting abundance was this like hot topic
for so many people in the spiritual community.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
So of course, you know, here I go, I'm gonna
do my meditation. I'm gonna ask Guardian and see what
he has.

Speaker 8 (57:35):
To say about that. So I ask, I do the
whole thing, the whole meditation thing. And then I experienced
feeling his presence and I learned to ask, you know,
what is the law of attraction? And he said, the
idea of the law of attraction isn't quite what we're being told.
He said, you don't necessarily attract things to you. He
said that everything already exists, and it's a matter of

(57:59):
matching the vibration of that thing that you want to experience,
whether it's you know, abundance or a scenario or going
to a place or acquiring some physical thing. And the
way to do that is with your emotions. So he said,
if you can emotionally attach or emotionally experience what that

(58:20):
would feel like, the universe and physical reality outside of
that will reflect that exact thing back to you. So
he said, it's not about wishing for the winning lottery
ticket or wishing for a bunch of money, or wishing
somebody that you care about gets better if they're sick.
It's sort of about transmitting that vibration and being grateful
for those types of things in advance, which would essentially

(58:45):
broadcast consciousness state that you want to experience. So it's again,
the law of attraction isn't about bringing things to you.
It's about matching the frequency of the things that are
already there, that already exists. When he said about multiple
billions of timeline and alternate realities, think of everything that
you can think of, everything that you can imagine, already
exists somewhere, some way, somehow, and it's a matter of

(59:09):
you experiencing it depending on what you're focused on. So
the reason why we experience this life, our jobs, and
our vehicles, and our families and our friends and all
the stuff, is because we are so focused on that
physical aspect of it. We can't perceive the other realities
that are happening around. So it's until we make the
shift within our mind, is one will make, is one

(59:29):
will experience the so called shift.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
In our immediate reality.

Speaker 8 (59:34):
I asked him why the Grays look like the way
that they do, and are the other types of you know,
beings now, of course, being interested in the UFO topic
and the alien topic and stuff, I'm, you know, kind
of aware, you know that we have different ideas of
you know, mantis beings or insect like beings, or the Grays,

(59:56):
the tall Whites, the Nordics. There's amphibious types of beings.
There's the the Leyrian type of beings who represent felines.
He said that a lot of different civilizations use this body,
or use this avatar, the Gray, to navigate through our
throw dimensional reality because it's the most versatile. And he

(01:00:20):
said a lot of beings, what their actual representation would
be would actually be like a ball of light. He
said that is essentially his true form. But he said
that's how he exists, primarily as a ball of light.
So I thought that was kind of interesting. I wanted
to ask him about, you know again, about the fear
of having you know, ET contact and why it impacted

(01:00:43):
me so much. And of course, like I said before,
like I don't ever remember having an ET experience fully awake,
like all these experiences of speaking with him.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
Speaking with Guardian was like in a meditative state. So
I asked, I was like, is there some type of significance,
like have I really been abducted? You know?

Speaker 8 (01:01:01):
Were Grays visiting me as a young child and I
thought that they were cats? And he funny ly said,
the fact that you asked that, what do you think?
I was like, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
So at that time when he said that, I started
to laugh, and that woke me up and threw me
out of the meditation and I came, you know too,
I was back in my body and I was like
smiling so much it like hurt, it hurt my face.
It was like so funny, you know.

Speaker 8 (01:01:26):
So again, you know, I asked him about emotions and like,
do other beings have emotions? I think, you know, we
learn about the Grays, you know, abducting people back in
the eighties, and they're emotionally unavailable. You know, they don't
experience fear. And he said that certain civilizations do, and
certain civilizations don't as much. You know, everything is kind

(01:01:47):
of different. He told me that the reason why we
humans have these emotions is that before we incarnated into Earth,
we're onto Earth, we have these emotions that are built
in so we can use them to navigate through the
third dimensional Earth experience. Now, I was like, what the
heck is he talking about? And what he said is that,
you know, when something happens to us and we are

(01:02:10):
upset or happy or sad, those external things don't necessarily
cause us to feel that way.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
He said, all the feelings and emotions we have, we
already contain. We just use external experiences to validate the
beliefs and the emotions that we already have. And that
was pretty wild.

Speaker 8 (01:02:29):
So what I really got out of that was, you know,
about taking responsibility for our own emotions and really understanding
that we are the ones who essentially can control how
we feel. And even if we feel like we don't
control how we feel, that's just not the truth. We're
controlling that as well. He said, when we're triggered, you know,

(01:02:49):
when something really bothers us, it's because something we believe
already inside of ourselves, and we're using that outside thing
as an excuse to ring up that emotion because it's
something that needs to be looked at.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
Now, to backtrack again a little bit, we have this
built in place for the self discovery and exploration, which
goes back to the question I asked him about what
is the purpose of life?

Speaker 8 (01:03:14):
What's our purpose for being here? By really looking at
our emotions and taking responsibility for emotions and learning from
them and not shutting them out is how we grow,
you know, spiritually and mentally and you know physically as well.
Those experiences, you know, kind of changed a lot for me.
And again, like I don't tell many people about this stuff,

(01:03:35):
I'm still very very excited about it. I mean, I'm
listening to so many different podcasts, especially yours, Nick. I mean,
this one is absolutely fantastic, Like I said before, but
my son actually expressed a little bit of an interest
to it as well, and that was kind of surprising,
and he reminded me a lot of me. He told
me a story that happened to him a little bit ago,

(01:03:55):
and I was so interested in it, almost more than
he was.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
Wanted him to tell me more, tell me more.

Speaker 8 (01:04:00):
But he said that he woke up from sleep and
it was late, late at night, and he wanted to
go to the kitchen and get a glass of milk.
And when he was telling me this, he could see
that he was kind of distraught, like he was really nervous.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
Now.

Speaker 8 (01:04:14):
He had no idea about any of my et contact
or seeing ufils him, and I don't discuss anything like that,
just because I didn't think he would be interested and
I didn't want to freak him out. So he told
me that he was walking to the kitchen to get
a glass of milk, and the window at the sink
overlooking the yard. As he passed by, he turned his
head and saw out the window this glowing ball.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
He said it was white and also orange, is how
he described it.

Speaker 8 (01:04:41):
He said it was really crazy to him because it
seemed like it was glowing, but it wasn't illuminating anything
around it. So what really stood out to him And
he said he got a really strange feeling about it.
So he was walking over to the kitchen and he
got so freaked out by this thing. He went to
the fridge and then he opened the fridge and then
when he turned just had to look back at the
window again. This orange, whitish ball had moved closer to

(01:05:04):
the window, and he quickly, you know, shut the fridge,
walked quickly back across the kitchen and went back to bed,
is what he told me. And I was like prying
and like pushing. I was like, what would happened next?
Tell me more? You know, what else did this ball do?
Did it get closer to the window, did it come
insaw it?

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
How did you feel? And he was like, he told
me what he did, and then he just shut down.
He wouldn't speak of it anymore. So I'm curreus.

Speaker 8 (01:05:26):
And it reminded me so much of when I was
a little kid and I was asking, you know, my
stepdad to tell me more about the cats, and now
I was asking my mom to tell me more about
her experience of the turnpike. I feel like what you do, Nick,
is such a great thing because it really gets people
to express and talk about their stuff, their experience. And
since we spoke last, I have been sort of interested
in becoming an investigator mofon investigator.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
There's a lot of requirements for that.

Speaker 8 (01:05:52):
So far, one of a couple of the things that
I'm learning is about navigation patterns for flights around my area.
On the east end of Flo Island and how a
lot of the airports and flight patterns are structured.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
To become well aware of how things are like that.

Speaker 8 (01:06:07):
Soil sampling is another aspect that I need to is
another requirement that I need is a couple of different things,
and from you know what I gather from listening to
a lot of other investigators from moufon.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
There's two types of people. There are the nuts and
bolts people and then there are the consciousness people. Now
I say, I would say that I would subscribe to
the latter, you know, after my experiences, you know, with
the meditation and guardian and relieving myself of these you know,
anxiety things. The idea that you know, et contact.

Speaker 8 (01:06:39):
Is a part of our lives, of so many people's lives,
whether we remember it or not, you know, is so
clear to me. And honestly, this is this might sound
kind of weird, but the question are we alone in
the universe is so boring to me, Like I think
that we are so beyond that question. But one of
the things that I would like to close with, I
know we're kind of going over our time in regard

(01:07:01):
to the consciousness aspect of it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
Is you know, when it comes to ets and extraterrestrial life.

Speaker 8 (01:07:08):
We often look to the sky when we look to
the stars, and we get our telescopes and we investigate
the planets and constellations. But I think there's a larger
part of it, and I think instead of looking into
the sky, we look into ourselves.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
We look into our.

Speaker 8 (01:07:22):
Hearts, and that's where a lot of the answers are already.
Just like Guardian told me, you know about our emotions,
everything is within us already and we contain it all.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
So I guess, you know.

Speaker 8 (01:07:35):
With closing, thanks again for letting me, you know, share
this experience and for you know, any of our listeners.
If there's any message that you can gather from what
I've said, I think the idea of fear. You don't
really have to be afraid of anything.

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Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
When I grew up, there were so many, like I
started saying in the beginning, there were so many, so
many flags that were there to indicate somebody was going
through this type of experience. And I had my share
of art as well. I had a notebook that I
would just draw and doodle. And I wasn't really interested

(01:08:53):
in school, but our doodle during class and our draw
grace just I just try the heads. I'll just try
alien heads on pages and pages and pages and pages.
And I came across one of these notebooks years and
years later, after high school, when I finished, I opened
it up and I was like, this is insane. Like
it didn't seem like insane at the time. It was
just the only It's like, what else am I going

(01:09:13):
to draw? I don't know, it's all I'm interested in whatever,
you know. But if I were to, you know, see
my son, if he had a notebook that was cover
to cover in grays, come on, that's like, it thought,
that's something that needs to be talked about, something I
think that could be very important. I guess I really
think that's front of it that I would like to

(01:09:34):
convey and say, it's just the idea that if we're
having experiences with whether it's panic attacks or anxiety, or
we're having these bouts with sleep paralysis, you know there
really isn't the only thing to really be afraid of
is ourselves or only thing really to be or I

(01:09:57):
guess there's really nothing to be afraid of. It's just
how we look, how we view it. It's it's our perspective,
and we just we give certain things definitions something to
be afraid of or not, and that's completely in our control.
And I think, you know, my experiences with ETS is
just living closer and closer to the understanding that you know,
everything is really more or less our choice, or more

(01:10:20):
or less our perspective, and we can choose our perspective.
And it's one of the things that I always say,
when we change our mind, you know, we change our life.
Sort of like the idea of the optimist and the pessimist.
You know, the glass is that the halfway mark, and
one person sees it half full and one person sees
it half empty, but they're seeing the same exact thing.

(01:10:40):
They feel so completely different about it. And the reason
why they feel different about it is because of what
they believe. One is totally trusting and believing in lack,
like there's not enough, and the other is totally trusting
and believing like there is abundance. But that glass has

(01:11:01):
no built in definition. We give definition to everything. So again,
what I would canday is we're experiencing something really challenging
or tough in our lives, we need to look at
our definitions and how we express those challenging situations. It's
something that we can learn from. Is it something that

(01:11:24):
I don't prefer? That can be very much leading me
closer to something that I do prefer. And I think
that you know the understandings that I'm able to come
to now, Like I totally believe that ets are to blame,
and I think that it's a part. It's been a
part of my life, whether I remember it or not,
and I believe that ET experiences are a part of

(01:11:44):
many many people's lives, whether they experience or not. It's
not really a matter if we're alone in the universe
or not. It's a matter of are you in touch
with yourself or not? And just by saying that, and
just by having the self awareness, like if I didn't
go through those experiences with those panic attacks or this
anxiety disorder, and I wouldn't be where I am today.

(01:12:09):
Good job, man, cool Well, thank you so much for listening. Again.
I'm really glad that you're able to put this together
for people to express themselves and their experiences and hopes
that others can hear it and learn and integrate, you know,
the information.

Speaker 5 (01:12:23):
That's why it's all about it because of course, you know,
you can't just talk to people about this kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
Yeah, absolutely, And like there's a lot of times where
it's like I feel like I would love to I
would love to just express to somebody like what I
go through and what I think about, you know, but
I refrained from it because the people and I can
tell just by picking up on subtle energy, like being
a fitness instructor and personal trainer, and like tapping in
this to what someone is feeling at the moment is

(01:12:51):
like picking up on social cues, well, picking up on
certain body language and facial expressions and movements and stuff
like that. If I even start talking about paranormal or
et contact, the energy just shifts and it's like there's
a little alert that goes off for me. It's like, Okay,
this isn't what I need to be talking about with
this person right now, And it's like every single person. Yeah,

(01:13:11):
so I'm really glad they're able to come on to
the show and express that to you.

Speaker 5 (01:13:15):
It is a shame, you know, you can't directly talk
to people about that kind of thing. Some you can
some people, but generally you need to pick up on
the fact that you know there's something that they may
be interested in, or they might have started to share themselves.
But generally, you know, it's a different It is difficult
to approach people. I know I've experienced in the past
many times, right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
Yeah, so for example, like the radical change and radical
shift that you know, I experienced, the many hats that
you know, we wear during our daily life. You know,
some of us have many many different jobs, and many
different types of friends, and different personalities and the personalities
in our lives, and the sort of change as we
go through, you know, our daily life. And if someone

(01:13:54):
were to hear what I just said to you tonight,
you know, is usually what I'm talking about is doing
push ups in the living, you know, So it's very
very different, and I think that I'm just glad that
I'm able to speak about it and hopefully, you know,
there's a listener who can hear, you know, what I'm
saying and possibly might be going through a similar thing
and then come to the understanding that it's not something
that they need to be afraid of. I think from

(01:14:15):
my story, fear was a huge, huge part of it
was a huge motivator for me to start this spiritual path.
Like I said before, the idea of you know, spiritual awakening,
to me represents more or less like a breakdown of
everything I thought to be true in reality. And there's
something I've heard some of your guests say and it

(01:14:35):
rings true for me, the sentence I thought I was
losing my mind. Yeah, And that was something that was very,
very very scary to me. So if there's anybody else
that's experiencing that, and it's like, you're not losing your mind,
You're evolving, you're changing each day, you know, we are.

Speaker 5 (01:14:53):
You know, when I receive emails, it is very common
that people would put that in the subject title. Ye
you're going to think I'm crazy?

Speaker 1 (01:15:01):
Yeah, Yeah, it's like this, Like I said before, you know,
it's a stigma that we have where we're so accustomed
to harboring these built in labels that when we speak
about this stuff or how these types of experiences, then
we take on that same label as being a kook.
One of the things that I learned, and I'm not
sure if I was really clear with when I shared

(01:15:22):
it a little bit more, is the dynamics of how
we're experiencing continuity of change. And what I meant by
that was to say was when it came to sleep paralysis,
what was related to me was the idea that we
are shifting through billions and billions of parallel realities a moment.

(01:15:46):
So for our viewers, like if I'm just saying that, like,
I don't know if you're able to like grasp what
I'm saying. So picture of this. Let's say you're picturing me.
You're filming me with a camcorder walking towards you across
the street. But I'm taking tiny, tiny, little and I'm
walking very very very slowly. I'm barely moving, but I'm
walking towards you. And let's say you filmed me doing

(01:16:06):
this for eight hours. All the people behind me would
be walking at their regular pace, and cars would be
going by the street and I would just be slowly
walking towards you. So now you have that footage, and
if you speed it up, I start to walk a
little bit quicker, and the people behind me that were
walking start to speed up a little bit faster and faster,
And now I speed it up all the way. So
now I'm walking at a normal speed. All the people

(01:16:30):
behind me disappeared. All the cars that were driving back
and forth disappeared, kind of like when you turn on
a fan with fan blades and it's going very very quickly,
you can barely make out the fan blades anymore. You know,
they're still spinning. They're still there. They didn't disappear, you know,
but they're still there. And what was told to me
is that there are many may things happening in our

(01:16:51):
physical reality just like that. And some other people have
been talking about and they send this to guests that
you've had. They talk about frequency, and for or just
like to say, you know, for our listeners, the idea
of frequency is everything is energy, whether it's the phone,
it's your phone or your computer that you're listening to

(01:17:12):
this from, or your car, or the trees or the
air you're breathing, or your house, or your thoughts. They're
all energy, and they're vibrating at a different frequency. So
think of the vibration as the moving fan blades that
I just talked about before, spinning faster and faster and faster.
You can barely see them anymore. When I was having

(01:17:33):
this experience talking to this large, tall gray who said
his name was Guardian, what I was explaining to that
young girl to my lap was how we were able
to float through her roof because we matched the frequency
of the roof and we passed right through it. And
I was explaining to her that our bodies and all

(01:17:54):
the cells in them are the same energy as the
cells that make up the trees and the air and
the oceans and the sky and our thoughts, and the
illusion of separation is just an illusion. And the idea
of passing through billions of parallel realities is try to
picture you have a large coffee table, and you take

(01:18:15):
a photograph of this moment, and then a photograph of
this moment and this moment and this moment. Right, So
let's say you have infinite photographs, or let's just say
let's put a cap on it, because that's how we think.
So you have a billion photographs and you lay them
all out side by side, covering this massive now coffee table.
Each photograph, each second is an alternate reality, alternate dimension.

(01:18:40):
One of the things that people say, you know, the
idea of an alternate dimension, We think that's a place
that you go between here and the stars. But a
dimension is really a state of consciousness. So each of
those photographs that you just put on your imaginary table there,
each one of them is an alternate dimension from moment

(01:19:00):
to moment to moment to moment to moment. And our soul,
our core self, our core indestructible self, is focused on
one dimension at a moment, and then the next, and
the next and the next. So we are shifting through
these multiple parallel dimensions billions of times a second. And

(01:19:21):
what I was saying about sleep paralysis is that when
we're in a dream state, we have to make sure
that we're coming back to the appropriate reality. So sometimes
we might be locked into this like a roller coaster,
because if you weren't strapped in, you might be flung
out and shot over to some other reality where it
didn't make sense, and then you go totally insane. I

(01:19:44):
just want some of the things that was I would
like to convey to make it sort of simpler for
some people to maybe integrate the information that I was
trying to get, you know, convey you know here tonight.
I think sometimes I'm like a little nervous. I'm not
on very many podcasts and stuff, so I just want
to really do my best to articulate the best way

(01:20:06):
that I can and sort of present like a visual
you know, diagram, because you know, we hear people say
certain things that we don't quite understand, but we not
our head and they go, yeah, okay, okay, So I
hope that kind of helps.

Speaker 7 (01:20:19):
That's perfect, Trent.

Speaker 5 (01:20:22):
You know, it is sometimes different to relay exactly what's
really going on with you to other people. You know,
we can kind of float it around in our heads,
no problem, but trying to relay it it's a different story,
especially when it turned into words.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
Yeah yeah yeah. And you know, how do we even
discuss stuff like that, Like there really aren't any you know,
we don't learn about this stuff in school. The information
you know, that we share with one another sometimes just
goes right over our heads and it takes a while
for us to really integrate. So I don't know. Again,
I just want to do my best and try to
be thorough with what I'm trying to explain. But again too,

(01:20:57):
like if I were to talk to someone like, I'd say,
you know a young guy who's interested in you know,
burning fat and gaining muscle, and he the relationships I
have with the people that I train, you know, we
become friends, you know, to become the friends on a
personal level, Like I know about them, you know, marriages
and their kids, and their jobs, and their thoughts and
their worries and their doubts and their fears. But for

(01:21:18):
some strange reason, I do not know anybody who would
be open to discussing the idea of shifting through billions
of parallel realities or the idea of going into a
deep meditation and having a conversation with the gray. Wow.

Speaker 5 (01:21:32):
You know plenty out there, there is trust is plenty
of there, and you never know you might meet someone
else in Shelter Island now that they know you is
the jeep guy.

Speaker 1 (01:21:43):
Yeah, the fitness guy. The jeep is fitness guy. But
to me again, to me, I'm the the et guy
or the spiritual guy. I don't know. I think as
much as like I said before, like I'm dedicated to
my fitness program and everything that I eat is you know, catalog,
and it's very very important to me. But my spiritual
is also very very important, you know. And one of
the other things that I was reluctant to share, I

(01:22:05):
didn't want to get too preachy. Once I had those
experiences with these you know, panic attacks or whatever you
would want to call them, I came to understand and
I came to believe that what was happening to me
it was ultimately a download. And I know that people
have said that here on the podcast. I know other
people have heard that. But what was happening, I believe
is that I was evolving in a way and it

(01:22:26):
was uncomfortable and it broke down the walls that made
up what I considered to be reality, and it was very,
very scary. But I believe that I had to go
through whatever it was that I was going through something
that I would be where I am now so I
can get to where I am going. The idea of
you know, spiritual practice and stuff, and how everything has changed,

(01:22:48):
you know, as my vibration changed as more and more
meditation than I did. It was almost like my I
don't want to say that I want to hire frequency
because you know, I just believe, like I feel like
I'm I've been getting lighter when I was doing these
meditations each day. I got to the point where I
felt so light, where I felt like I was just
going to float away. And that's the only way I

(01:23:09):
can really describe that feeling. And I know by just
hearing it, it's kind of like, well, what does he mean?
And it's difficult for me to really say what it
is that I mean. But more and more things were
drawing me to lighter, like food, for example, after a
little bit, I couldn't eat animals anymoore. So and I'm

(01:23:31):
not saying this is for everybody, like I'm not trying
to like preach, you know, everyone should be vegan like
me or something like that. Like now I write nutrition
guides for people that eat meat. It's no problem for me.
My son needs meat. That's nothing to do with me.
But what does have to do with me is that
I don't vibe with it any longer. I got really

(01:23:53):
emotional when I started to eat meat, so I stopped
eating chicken, and I stopped eating fish, and I sed
to commit to a one hundred percent vegan diet. And
I think by doing that, I was just adding to
the idea of becoming lighter. The meditations that I would do,
I would have to switch and gear over to a
more grounding meditation. So I got wrapped up in the

(01:24:13):
idea of doing root chopper activation meditations and stuff like that,
and then like really not really understanding what was happening.
Was what I was doing is I was becoming a
strict Kundalini yoga That really helped the evolution where I
was going, I suppose, And it was like an Inverton.
I didn't know that this is what I was doing.
It was until, you know, a little while after someone

(01:24:36):
let me know. They were like, you know, what you
do was Kundalini yoga and I could be dangerous and
they didn't know, they didn't know what they meant by dangerous.
But you know, back then, you know, I had Facebook,
and I reached out to somebody who was this young
girl and she was a monk and she lived in
India and she had Facebook. She had a little computer,

(01:24:56):
shared a phone with her, and I reached out to
her and she said that when I explained to her
what was happening with panic attacks and everything, she said
that it was the beginning of a Kundalini awakening and
then I needed to receive shokipap which was like an
energetic transmission to ground that person back into this reality.
And when she said that to me, I was like,
oh my god, I definitely need that. I didn't know

(01:25:20):
exactly what it was that was happening. I truly believe
that that's definitely something that would that that was helping. So,
you know, the meditation from Kundalini awakening to receiving shoktipot
to my obsession with ETS and the idea that everything
is connected, This like spiraling tornado of experiences, you know,

(01:25:41):
just really led me to my belief, which again too,
you know, my belief is really just an opinion, and
opinions changed. I mean I could have a totally different opinion,
you know, next month. I mean, I could eat meat tomorrow.
I don't know. But the idea that ETS and the
experiences that we have with them, they're not much different

(01:26:01):
than us. We just believe that they are because we're
not taught about it.

Speaker 5 (01:26:05):
When was the last time you had an interaction with
one of the guardians.

Speaker 1 (01:26:09):
Oh, last summer. It was hot. It was very very
hot out. It was last summer. I was sitting on
the deck, I was taking my lunch break, and it
was right around a time where I discovered your podcast.
I explained to you before that I've listened to every
one of your podcasts, Yes, every single one of them,
and I just started listening last summer. When I really
focus on something and I want to get to the

(01:26:30):
bottom of it, you know. Being a personal trainer, I
go to new people's houses. I have a lot of
time to travel and drive and listen to what I
choose to. And when I was sitting on the deck,
I was actually listening to your podcast, and I decided, okay,
I have another you know, thirty minutes of.

Speaker 9 (01:26:48):
My lunch break, I'm going to do a meditation, and
I whipped out my earbuds and I went to YouTube
and I put on some frequency tones that I like
to listen to, and I do meditate, and sure enough,
I'll take in deep breaths and then I start to
feel that all familiar feeling.

Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
And that was the last experience that I had. Now
I don't know if I can do it on command
where I can have the experience with Guardian. But that
was the last time that it.

Speaker 5 (01:27:15):
Happened, and you still still regularly practicing.

Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
Yeah, So meditation, the spiritual practice is just another thing
that I do each day, and it really no matter what.
And what I mean by that is, we have so
many things that we need to do in our lives,
and we have these certain lists that we put those
things on. We have the things that we want to do,
we have the things that we should do right, and
then we have the list of things that we must
When we don't do the things that we want to do,

(01:27:42):
it's not a big deal. On the list of things
that we should do, it's almost the same. It sucks
we should have done this, we should have done that,
but we'll do it next time. But when we but
when it comes to that must list, there's no if
sands or buds about it, like that particular thing is
getting done. And what I'm talking about is, you know,
the responsibilities we have each day and we have our

(01:28:02):
you know, we have our jobs, and we have our kids,
and we have this, and we have that how we're
going to get the rent paid or the mortgage, you
know how we're going to get lunch for our kids
and all these things. And we don't know how we're
going to do some of these things. I mean, especially
with this past couple of year and the way the
workforce has been going and a lot of financial a
lot of finances people is up in the air. So
we don't know how we're going to get these things done,

(01:28:24):
but we do them. We don't know how we're going
to pay them, but we get it done. But we
do it. Now. For me, I put my exercise on
the must list. I don't know how I'm going to
fit an hour of working out into my busy, busy schedule,
but you know what I must. I must do it.
Same with meditation. It's not something I need to do
or want to do. It's something that I just must do. Wonderful.

Speaker 5 (01:28:47):
Okay, really appreciate you coming on staying sharing that for
our listeners, Trent.

Speaker 1 (01:28:51):
I very much appreciate you're letting me join and be
a part of it. I'll catch it. I hope you
enjoy the rest of your night, and thanks again.

Speaker 5 (01:28:58):
That's great trend, great tool me share right, keep in
contact and you enjoyed the rest of your day.

Speaker 1 (01:29:03):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:29:04):
That is all for this week. Keep updated and connected
with the show on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram. And if
you have an encounter you'd like to share on the podcast,
you can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot
com or reach out to me via the contact page
on my website at UFO Chronicles podcast dot com. A
big thank you to Trent for sharing tonight, and thank

(01:29:26):
you all for listening. I will be back next week.
Till then, stay safe and keep watching the skies. Goodbye,

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