Ep.155 San Diego Skies / It's Just Them Again (Throwback)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You'll be away five seventeen. Do you want to report
a UFO hanging in?

Speaker 2 (00:05):
We don't want to report every thirty one. Do you
wish to report a.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
UFO over hey, we want to one of.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Those areas thirty one?

Speaker 3 (00:15):
Do you wish to find a report of any kind
of it?

Speaker 4 (00:18):
I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
Time areas thirty one me neither there were self. If
it was anythy uh above us to pass us?

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Like thirty seconds ago, we.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
Were sending one top of golf negative, okay, OFFI the UFO.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Yeah, it's murder two nine o'clock.

Speaker 4 (00:39):
Yes, I'll passed over.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
I go.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
I don't know what it was, but it's from at
least to three thousand feet above us.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
See, I passed right over the top of.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Us ninety one one.

Speaker 5 (00:51):
You just called both three or fours they're after staying
the airplanes.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
Henhere to God more calm on an unidentified object every
liberty four call or calm on an unidentified flying object.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share
their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had
an encounter, I would like to be on the show.
You can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com.

(01:48):
Hello and welcome to the show everyone, wherever in the
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(02:08):
We have two fine gentlemen sharing their encounters tonight. We
start off with Dalton in Florida, and both of Dalton's
sightings took place in San Diego in the mid to
late eighties. The first was a source of shaped crabs
that was witnessed for quite a while, and then a
couple of years later, Dalton observed several bright lights traveling

(02:28):
over a mountain range. Then we head over to North Ayrshire,
Scotland to speak with Ian about a number of strange
incidents that occurred in his childhood, involved in being's adopted
him late at night, lost time, bores of light, and
a couple of instants. While he was serving in the
Royal Navy in the nineteen seventies in the location of
the Bermuda Triangle. If you enjoy listening to the podcast

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Now on with the show. Hello, Dalton, and welcome to

(03:33):
the show.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Hello Nick, I'm glad to be here. I love your
podcast and it's.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
Great to have you on. And you're calling from Florida.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Today Fort Myers, to be exact, wonderful.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
Now, Dalton, you have come on to share your UFO experiences.
Would you like to start the very beginning for us? Please?

Speaker 4 (03:49):
Sir?

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Sure, I'll start right now, Nick, This took my first sighting.
I have had two pretty major sightings. October of nineteen
eighty six is where it all began for me. But
going back a little farther, a little backstory on myself
is that I used to work on fighter aircraft. I've
seen a lot of things that fly airplane wise, and

(04:12):
up until that point I was released from the service
in seventy five, I've never seen anything that in which
I encountered in nineteen eighty six. So the story starts
like this. I had an employee working for me and
she wanted to go for a motorcycle ride. I'm a
motorcycle enthusiast, so I agreed to pick her up on

(04:33):
a Friday night. It was probably around nine nine thirty
and we were going to go to a local club
in San Diego. And she lived in an area called
La Joya, which is right on the coast. So I
showed up on my nine thirty time limit and I
picked her up and we were proceeding out and going

(04:53):
east away from the water. We're going to a little
area called North Park and it's a residential area, lots
of different housings and clubs and whats whatever. And so
as we're riding out on the freeway going east, and
we had about maybe a thirty five minute ride, And
that particular evening was very very common that the cloud

(05:15):
cover was very very low and the sheer coming off
the water. Sometimes the whole entire city of San Diego
would have a blanket of clouds over it. And we're
riding out on the freeway GOE East, and we had
to merge onto another freeway called eight oh five, and
so we came up eight oh five and we went

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into an area where I got off the freeway and
came to a area called North Park and I came
to a stop sign. And when I came to the
stop sign to make a left, she was coming unglued
on the back of the bike. Look look and I'm
looking around for traffic or whatever. She goes, no, look up,

(05:56):
look up. So I look up into my there was
a hole in the cloud cover. It was like just
a hole with a giant sphere of orange sitting up
above the cloud cover. I could clearly see it because
there was no roof over the motorcycle. It was a
clear open sight and I didn't know what it was.

(06:20):
And if I put my hand out to the my
arm's length, it was as big as a volleyball. I mean,
it was quite large. So I pulled the bike across
the street and we both got off of it and
We stood there talking and looking at this thing, and
it wasn't making a noise, it wasn't making a movement,

(06:41):
there was nothing going on. It was just this big
orange ball sitting in the night sky. And meanwhile a
car would come through and go on, and it wasn't
like people are going look, look. It was kind of
this hidden because it was in that hole of the
cloud cover. So we went along. We were watching this
for a probably five five five to ten minutes, and

(07:02):
we're talking and we're going back and forth and what
is it? I don't know. I was going through the
process of elimination. Is it a helicopter, no blimp, no star,
no moon?

Speaker 1 (07:13):
No.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
And then an airplane took off out of the airport
called Lindberg Field, and I said, well, that's an airplane
right there, and what is that thing? So we continued
to watch it, and then as fast as you can
blink an eye, it was almost like a kaleidoscope closing
and opening. It shot straight up at a warp speed

(07:34):
that was just unbelievable, to a point where now it
was just a speck of white light in the night sky,
looking through the hole in the clouds, looking as far
as I could see I could still see a little
pin head of this white light. So thinking that it
was gone or whatever, thought it was over, we decided
to continue on our journey. So I went over and

(07:56):
I started getting the motorcycles started. In those days, there
was an old kickstarred hard. So I'm getting it ready
to start, and I said, I still see it.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
You see it?

Speaker 2 (08:04):
She goes, yeah, I see it, And just as I
got the motorcycle started, it came back to its original position,
just as big as it was before it left. And
I was like, what is that thing? So we turned
a bike off.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
I go over.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
We're standing there and we're watching this. Another five to
eight minutes goes by. We're still talking, nothing's changed, and
all of a sudden, it shuddered in a way that
was different. It just it moved for the first time
in a back and forth motion, and we both recognized it,
and we're talking about that, and then it slowly turned.

(08:43):
It was we were looking at it the forty five
well probably a sixty five degree angle. It was up,
but it was we were looking at the bottom of it,
and when it turned, it kind of it leaned over
a little bit to where you could tell that it
was a big bull shaped saucer shape. And what was
amazing about it is that the very bottom of it

(09:03):
was very orange, and as it got up towards the
leading edges of it, it got cooler. You could tell
the temperature was cooler because the color changed. It was
more of an amber. You couldn't see the top of it, obviously,
because it was up I don't know how far away
it was, but it was up there. But it was
very large, and it was rotating at a counterclockwise. There

(09:24):
was a little leading edge light that would go round
in this counterclock white circle. And now we're really coming
in glue. So we're still talking. I'm going, oh my gosh,
oh my gosh, I don't believe it. I don't believe it.
And she's saying the same thing. And then all of
a sudden, it started to It's hard to describe this

(09:45):
because it was shooting out like laser beams, and they
were shooting out all over the top of the craft
sides top. Some were longer than others, and it was
very erratic, and it's like a I can do it
with my voice. And we both were saying, God is
shooting out these beams of light of some type, and

(10:09):
then from three hundred and sixty degrees in every direction,
we started seeing these small white, star colored balls of light.
Today I would probably call them an orb but nineteen
eighty six I had no wording for them. And they
were coming in from every direction at very high speeds.

(10:31):
But as they got nearer the craft, they slowed down
just enough that went through that cloud cover. You could
see it illuminate the cloud cover, and they slowed down
to a much lesser speed. And what we noticed was
these laser beams that were shooting out were actually in
a sense of vacuuming these balls of light, so it

(10:53):
was sucking them into the main body of the craft.
And this went on for some time, and then we
noticed it was almost like it was recharging them. It
would release them out of the bottom where it was
very orange, and they would fall away very slowly, but
they were like stardust, and once they reached a certain

(11:13):
distance from the bottom of the craft, they would then
take off. And they were intelligent because they were having fun.
You could tell that they were circling each other and
going off in groups of three to ten, and this
kind of kind of kept going on for about ten minutes,
and then slowly the ball stopped coming the balls of light,

(11:34):
and then the craft just basically stopped shooting out of
slazer beams, and then everything got back into its original position,
and then it just shot straight up again so where
you could barely see this little light, and all of
a sudden it just kind of blinked out and it
was gone. And then the cloud cover. We stood there

(11:55):
for fifteen minutes just talking, just our jaws touching the ground,
and then and the cloud cover kind of all kind
of came back together where the hole was now gone completely.
And so in a sense we came to the conclusion
that the heat of the bottom of the craft just
burnt enough of that cloud away. So we happen to
be in the right position at the right time to

(12:16):
see that. So we went on with our journey, and
then lay I dropped her off later on that night,
and I had about a forty mile ride because I
lived more out in the desert, away from the beach,
and all the way out I couldn't help but think
to myself, I saw you. I saw you with my
own eyes. And of course the next day I wake

(12:37):
up and I call her I go, we did see that, right,
that we would do that periodically, just to remind each other.
But I forgot that. I left one thing out. I
did call the police department, and so the guy goes
police department. I said, yes, sir, I said, anybody report
a UFO sighting over North Park tonight about ten o'clock
And he goes, no, pal, no UFOs. Did you see something?

(12:58):
I go, I saw something, but I'm not positive what
it was, but I know it wasn't from here. I
can guarantee you that. And he passed on a UFO
hotline number. It was probably Art Bells or somebody, but
anyway I called it, never got an answer. So from
that point on I became a star watcher. I just
I thought to myself, I love to see another one.
I love to see another one. And you can go

(13:20):
out for a lifetime looking for a UFO, never see one.
So two years goes by, and by that time I'm
married and I had an infant child, and my wife
worked for a restaurant. It was called the Tickled Trout.
It was a British pub and hotel circle San Diego,
and she worked nights a lot, so I was home
and I was caring for my child and I had

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a lot of downtime in the evening, so i'd pop
a beer, and I had a window that kind of
faced out to the east. And this is going into
the second siding. So we're two years down the road.
I have seen maybe what I thought of were a
couple of little small things that went by, but nothing
like this one. This one was. It took the cake
of all cakes from me. So in the evening I

(14:04):
would sit there and look out at the desert because
it was surrounded. I live in a little town called Lakeside,
and Lakeside is very small. It had a little rodeo arena,
and it was tiny, and it was kind of western,
and it was surrounded. It was like in a bowl,
and it was surrounded by very low mountains I would
say three thousand feet at the most, and they circled

(14:26):
kind of the whole area past that mountain range was
going in towards Phoenix, Arizona, Yuma. Just it was kind
of like a high desert area. And so I'd watched
that area night after night and never seen anything, never
seen anything, never seen anything. And then one night everything

(14:46):
was quiet. It was probably three three fifteen in the
morning am. My wife's asleep, everybody's quiet, and I had
to go to the restroom. So on my way out
of the restroom, I stopped by my little window just
to take a peak. And sure enough, I look about
probably ten miles to the east, and the darkest part
of the sky was.

Speaker 4 (15:06):
A low.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
I'm not sure how high they would be, but they
were high enough that they were I would say maybe
five thousand, ten thousand feet up. But they're way off,
ten miles off. And what I thought was what turned
into they was actually what I first saw was just
one big light. It almost looked like as right as
an airplane light. So I go, wow, I have never

(15:29):
seen that before. And so I'm sitt there. I go,
I'm going to give this a look. See, and I'm
watching this thing, and all of a sudden I realized
it wasn't one light. It was ten lights. And they
were perfectly behind each other. So I first saw them
when they came in from the east, they were perfectly
behind each other. But then they arked. They made an arc,

(15:50):
almost like a roller coaster. So you got their front
car coming down first, the second car to third car
to four kick and it was like an inverted sea,
so I could see all of them kind of in
an arch that would be reminiscent of a first big
dip on a roller coaster. And I was just beside myself.

(16:11):
So I sat there and I was just taking it
all in. When one of them, the first one, breaks
away from the pack and it starts descending. The rest
of them stayed in the exact position in that arc.
This town's completely asleep. There's no cars, there's nothing going on.

(16:32):
And I'm watching out of my window, and I had
a screen in the window, so I slid the spring
batch so I could get a better view, and I
watched this first craft just to send lower and lower
and lower, coming kind of towards me, but to my left,
and then it made a left turn. And when it
made a left turn, it never turned its lights off.

(16:54):
It was as bright as a It was like spotlights.
I couldn't make out the size of it, but I
knew it was smaller. I would almost equated to it
as big as a Mini Cooper. But it was flat
like a cigarette pack. It wasn't thick, it was kind
of narrowed, and as it came towards me, I could

(17:16):
see it get lower and lower and lower, and it
was illuminating the rooftops of people's homes. Now, what I
did notice was dogs. Every dog in that whole town
was barking, but nothing was moving outside of me looking
out the window. And then as I had my head
out the window, I noticed something that I didn't see before.
And over this little mountain range was a gigantic moon

(17:39):
colored sphere, kind of irridescent, but it was fairly large,
and it was sitting up I'm going to call that
the scalt. It kind of sat up there over the
little mountain range, and as this smaller craft came in
and it got over the rooftops, illuminated the rooftops. It
came all the way down to the and then it

(18:01):
nestled into a little creek area that was filled with
cattails and such. It got so low to the ground
I could see the ground illuminated from the lights. And
what it did is it dimmed the big lights all
the way down to where it was just a real yellow,
little lamp light. But I could tell it was hovering
because I could see the movement. It wasn't on the ground,
it was just above the ground. Now I'm just losing it,

(18:26):
And so I got an eye on that. I got
the rest of the train sitting out in the night sky,
I got the scout ship sitting over top of this
little mountain range. And then a car came through. Now
I'm watching all this take place. As the car came through,
the smaller craft on the hovering above the ground, it
dimmed its lights very dim dimmer than before, and it

(18:51):
actually nestled deeper back in the cattails in a hiding motion.
To my surprise, the scout ship was gone. It duck
down behind a little mountain range. So as the car
continued out of lakeside and went up and caught the freeway,
the scout ship slowly rose back up over just enough

(19:11):
to get over top of the mountain range, the smaller
craft still hovering, and I could see it. It lit
up a little bit more when the car went by.
And it happened over and over again for ten times.
The total amount of crafts were ten. Each one would
come down in the same pattern, get lowered lower, lower

(19:32):
over rooftops, except they didn't hide in the same area.
They hid in an area that would be five hundred
yards maybe big, but they were all hiding in little
places that they could nestle down deeper. And this went
on for a good fifteen to twenty minutes, and finally

(19:53):
the last one came down. And it came down the
same pattern, except when it came down over the rooftops,
it didn't nestle down into the creek banks and hiding
and the bushes and things like that. It came down
and nestled next to a gutter of a small church.
So it was hovering next to the gutter, and the
gutter was probably thirty feet off the ground. Like it

(20:15):
wasn't connected to the gutter. It just hovered next to
the gutter. And then it dimmed it's big lights down
down to a very yellow kind of dim light. And
so I'm thinking to myself, I'm the kind of person
I'm so interested in anything in life that's something like
that that I said, I'm going to get my clothes
on and I'm going to walk out there, and so

(20:39):
I got dressed. My apartment was a three tiered apartment
on certain rows, so we were the highest up in
the back. And so as I came out of my apartment,
I made it down to the sidewalk I got to
the sidewalk, I could see the scout ship still hovering
over the top of the mountain. What I didn't know
whether there was another scout ship identict to the big

(21:01):
one over the mountains behind my apartment. But I wasn't
looking back that way. I was always looking out to
the east. I couldn't see that other one. So there
were two scout ships. I call them scout ships because
that's the only thing I know i'd call them. So
I thought, Wow, if I get abducted, I'm ready. You know,
I'm just going to go for it. I'm going to
walk up there, and I'm going to focus on the

(21:21):
one by the gutter. I'm never going to take my
eyes off of it. So I fixed my eyes on
the one hovering by the gutter, and about eighth of
a mile up was a gazebo in a little park,
and I thought, if I can make it to the gazebo,
I'll plant there and just see what happens. So as
I started walking up the sidewalk, I knew that there
were nine other ones hiding back in the brush and

(21:44):
the cattails and the creeks and different things like that.
And as I got As I started walking up towards
the sidewalk, I could see them dimming down just a
little bit. They were kind of high. They knew I
was there. There was no doubt in my mind. And
finally I approached the one hanging by the gutter, and
there was a parking lot in front of the church,
and it was about fifty to sixty yards back in

(22:05):
the parking lot. And as I got closer to it,
I never took my eyes off of it. It started dimming.
Now I'm standing right in front of where it is
hanging by the gutter, and I can't see it at all.
It just dimmed down to where it was invisible. So
I kept my journey and I went up to the

(22:25):
gazebo and I turned around and I just got down
on my knees and I just watched what was going on.
I could see the one by the gutter re illuminate.
They were all illuminated, and they were all kind of
just hovering, just in their positions, and when car would
come through, they would dim down and hide, and when
the car would go by, they would come back and
illuminate the original position. And then finally daylight started coming

(22:50):
and as daylight came on, they got dimmer by the
by six o'clock, six am, five point thirty six o'clock,
I couldn't see him anymore. Lighter it got outside, the
dimmer they got to the point where they were no
longer visible at all. So I thought, wow, Okay, I'm
gonna make my way back to my apartment, and I'm

(23:11):
trying to explain to my wife where I've been. So
I made my way back to the apartment, and I'm
just my head is full of wow, wow, wow wow.
And over across Route eight, which is the freeway, there's
a gigantic ravine and I look over and I see
the two Scout ships. They were across the freeway, probably

(23:33):
about a half a mile away, and one was falling
the other one, and they were floating I wouldn't say,
thirty feet above the ground. And their color changed from
that moon color. They were now they reminded me so
much of the bubble that the good Witch floated in
on the Wizard of Oz. Kind of fluidy, looking fairly large,

(23:54):
but really, you know, you just had to know what
you're looking at. And nobody the cars were going by
like nothing never happened, and I watched them just disappear
down the ravine. I went into my house, got a
cup of coffee and tried to tell my wife what
was going on, and she thought I was out of
my mind. But so basically, Nick, that's my story and

(24:15):
I'm sticking to it.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
Wonderful. Yeah, obviously the whole area now the Lake Fusal,
probably changed quite considerably in the last few years. So
I'll probably send you a little map to see if
you can maybe pinpoint where where this happened. So I'm
guess I'm looking them up now, and I'm guessing it's
kind of over from Lake Jennings.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah, it's called Lakeside and Lake Jennings was there. I
used to fish that lake and Route eight runs right
along up up the hill a little bit from it,
and yeah, it's probably changed a lot since nineteen eighty eight.
But you know, that eastern part of the country out

(24:56):
there was this kind of a man's anita. It was
horse country away Lakeside and then it gets up into
the Rancho Bernardo and Escondido, but it's out in that
fringe and.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
From that ravine, yeah, I can see, yeah, I'll see
the ravine and wonderful, interesting stuff.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
And that was pretty neat.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
So when you first saw it was actually an inverted sea.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
Yes, it was. If you can picture of standing in
front of a the first big dip on a roller coaster,
how they would come over the top and come down
and the arc happened because at first there was just
one light, but they were so in unison so closely
followed each other. I didn't know there were more than
the one until they went down into this. The first

(25:41):
one was lower than the back one, so it was
up a hill like that. It was kind of like
an inverted sea, it's all I can kind of describe
it like. And they just hovered in that position until
one by one, making sure the coast was clear, they
would come down and find their hiding spot and then
then down. It was just utterly amazing, and each of

(26:01):
the craft looked a dentical. They were all the same size.
They all were very well lit in the front. Never
could really make out the shape because the lights were blinding,
and when they dimmed down they were down on the
over end of the creek airs. I really could never
get a make on how big they were.

Speaker 4 (26:18):
They were.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
They weren't very big though they weren't very big. I
can tell you that right now. They were like a
mini Cooper if that. If that, but shape like a
cigar or a cigarette pack, kind of squary, longer than
than thickness, you know. And you know, from that point on,
I just you know, I just always kept my eyes up.

(26:39):
I'm still looking. I'm sixty seven years old, Nick, and
I'm still looking. And when you see one, you want
to see another one. It's a it's an addicting thing.
They're beautiful. I mean, it's really they're just out of
this world.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
Still watching the skies.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
I'm still watching the skies. I don't go I mean,
I walk my dog at night. I'm always looking up.
I'm always looking up because you'll never see anything unless
you look up. You have to look up.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
That is true.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
You ain't going to see nothing if you ain't looking.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
You got to pay attention to I mean, you know,
because sometimes these things, they they kind of hide themselves.
They kind of look like a star if you're not
paying attention, but usually a little lower in the sky,
maybe a little different color, you know, maybe a little movement.
You know, they're always in a little bit of movement.
That's what I've noticed about them, that little hover.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
And also you know, same as you at your very
first encounter, you know, you've you had cloud cover and
it makes you wonder, you know, when we have a
little bit of cloud cover, and especially here in the UK,
which is pretty much your time, when it comes to clouds,
you don't know what's flowing around up there right just
above the clouds.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
That thing just had the first sighting. It just was
close enough to the clouds that were opened that hole up.
I mean I would never have seen it had to
not created that little hole. And uh, you know, so
up above that holes where it sat and i'd see
up around it, it was all black sky from you know,
once you got past the UFO. Uh, it was pretty large,

(28:07):
that one. That one was pretty large, it really was.
And a silent not a sound. As a matter of fact,
when the train so to speak, came down to land
and I never heard a sound other than dogs barking.
Every dog in the neighborhood knew something was going on.
Dogs had that. They just have a sixth sense that
we don't have.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
I think, yeah, they know what's going on. Yeah, you know,
with your first sight and you said it had a
light that was going around, yes, say clockwise, going clockwise.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
Counterclockwise, hinder clockwise.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Okay, when it got it, when it got into that
certain position, it kind of you could you could it
leveled out, so to speak. You know, I couldn't see
the top because it was up above me, but it
was turning a very slow counterclockwise motion and hit a
little outside light on the edge of it. That's what
made me see the turning. I could tell that light
would go all the way around and come all the
way back around, browning again. Very slow. It wasn't like

(29:03):
spinning fast. It was very slow, very methodical. And then
when the when the when the blazer beings started shooting out,
that's when she and I just glue. We couldn't believe it.
It was amazing. It was a light show, and it
was really really neat, great experience. It made me realize,
you know, I'm a Christian man, Nick, and I always,

(29:24):
I always was taught, you know, that God made us
on his image, and for a long time I was
kind of just I was confused. And then I realized
one day that if God is the god of the universe,
he's their god too. And it made me not fear
them as much. I'm not afraid of them, you know,
I almost feel like I can't wait. I hope I'm
alive when they when they show themselves up close. I

(29:45):
really do.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
Yeah, I think regardless of what we hear in the future,
you know, it's I don't think there will be any fear.
They're probably not like us minds. They probably don't function
the same way mentally we do as U beings. But
they are going to be different yep. But then again,
the same as human beings. You know, you go good
and you go bad ones.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Oh yeah, yep. There's evil in the world and there's
good in the world, so you know it's hopefully the
good will win out at the end.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
That is true. Now, Dalton, you you know, you had
a lot of experience, you know, in the US Navy
working on the fighter aircraft and stuff.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
Have you ever seen anything like that while you were serving?
I mean anything that was more earthbound, more military.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Based, No, I mean I was. I worked in different
airports naval installations all over the from Puerto Rico to Hawaii, Florida, California,
and I spent many, many evenings out on a tractor
pulling airplanes around on airports and runways, and we watched
night Style a lot because we're waiting for our airplanes

(30:49):
to return to recover them, and and aircraft carriers floating
over to Hawaii on a USS kiddie hawk. I've never
seen anything a night sky that even resembled you know,
jet blast, and you know, it's this completely different thing
when you see an airplane. In nineteen eighty six, the

(31:10):
way this the first crab, flew away was just beyond belief.
How fast, I mean, as fast as you can blink
an eye it went from this to that. I was like, whoa.
And it came back the same way, and it was
just a really really beautiful thing to look at. When
you're looking at it. Though, when you're watching and it's
real time, you just you just your brain can't you

(31:32):
can't put your brain, you can't wrap around it. It's
just beyond you know, it's just beyond what you've come
accustomed to. You're trying to make sense of something that
you can't make sense of. That's the only way I
can describe it. But it was really a great experience.
I'm gLing that happened to me. I'm hoping it happens
to me again, I really do.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
It's something you'll never forget.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
That's right, it's burnt in your brain. I mean, Nick,
this happened in eighty six and eighty eight, and it's
like I just saw it, telling you that story all
over again. It's just been a you know, I thought
about it during the day. I thought, am I going
to tell my story to Nick? Would make sense? And
you know, you assure me that just be yourself, man,
and then, you know what, that's what I'm doing. I'm
just being me and uh, it's it's it's forever etched.

(32:15):
It will never never leave me, you know. And there
is there are people who think you're crazy, and you
know what, that's okay. They really have a right to
think that. I know what I saw, you know, and
no one can take that away from you. In my eyes,
didn't lie to me, you know, I know what I saw.
So but I'm happy to have shared this story and
I hope the people are interested in it because I'm

(32:37):
listening to everybody else's. I love their stories too. Keep
bringing them in, folks, Let's hear all of them.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
Keep them coming, keep them coming. That's wonderful. Darwin you
did great? Did I You're natural? No, I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
I'm a storyteller.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
Nick.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
When I go to bed at night, I'll get in
there and I'll turn you on first. I always go
right to you first. And if I if you've if
you're doing it now, you're doing throwback Thursdays or whatever,
I listen to those two, you know, uh, and then
uh if you don't have the in current, if you're
not on that day, I know it's Sunday nights. Usually
it seems like a new one pops up. I'll go
over to something else, like conflict radio or I just

(33:17):
I'm just I'm just totally interested. And I think it's
a really really interesting subject, you know. And like I said,
my wife could care less. That's kind of my own
little thing.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Yeah, your wife and my wife, it gets on pretty well.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Well.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
When you come to Florida, bringer Man, I love to
take you out to dinner.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
I really would, Nick, Yeah, like I said, if I'm
in the area, I would take you up on it.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
Just I mean Fort Myers, your brothers here. If nothing else,
I'll meet you at a pub someplace, just to clink
a call one together. I love your podcasts. I'm always
going to listen to them.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
I hope it never goes away good stuff.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Do you know, Nick, when you lead into when the
podcast first starts, and then he goes, we we got
four calls over Liberty, we got you know, and and
the cops are running around Liberty. I know right where
that's that. That's Liberty, Ohio. And uh, I remember that
happening up in Liberty. That's on your that's on your
introduction to the leading into you talking to your guests, Uh,

(34:10):
Liberty say. I lived in Cincinnati area for the last
twenty years before I moved to Fort Myers. I retired
up in Cincinnati, and I used to ride my bike
over to Liberty all the time. It's so when I
hear that, I always go, I know right where that's
at Liberty.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
In fact, the actual woman in the coll Center, I
know someone that was friends with her has actually never
guessed that actually knows her. So I be trying to
just reminded me about that. Means gets come on and.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
So yeah, I remember that whole episode happening.

Speaker 4 (34:39):
You know.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Hey, Nick, I'll tell you what, man, I love talking
to you. I could talk to you for.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
Days, man.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
I mean you're a really nice person. Man. I always
knew it, but you were. You're kind and you're calm,
and you're smart, and I appreciate you, man, I really do.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
You know.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
I get messages from a podcast asking me how to
be with people, and I say to him and goes, well,
don't try and be anything, just you know, just be
yourself because all this is all, this is natural, this
is just who I am, This is how I don't know,
I'm not even trying.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Well. I noticed very early on that when you have
a guest on and they're on the podcast, you kind
of disappear for a while and let them just tell
the story.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
And I like that.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
It's not a whole lot of interruption by the host,
you know. And I thought myself, as I was talking tonight,
I thought, I hope Nick doesn't think I'm over talking.
I just I'm just gonna tell it like.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
I know it. So it was my intention dealton is,
because I'd listened to radio shows another podcast, whether the
host will be constantly talking, usually about themselves or you know,
what they've been eating or gary bread or whatever, and
it would just not it would annoy me. The host
wouldn't let the guests tell what happened to him exactly.
This is purely why I do it this way. But

(35:47):
people get so much pleasure listening to the guest. You know,
they don't want to listen to host. And it's not
the Nick Hunder show. You know, if it wasn't it
maybe different. But it's the guest people want to listen to,
and that's what brings brings people listening every week.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
Well, you're my favorite, and you always have been. Man,
So I just h I loved when I first heard
your I mean I listened to every one of them, man,
every single one of them. I love the guy floating
over on the boat, you know, him and his buddy.
You know, that whole thing was incredible. Oh yes, so
many great, great podcasts that you put out are amazing.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
Yeah, that was Nair. I love that one, and I
really appreciate you for coming on sharing it all for
our listeners today.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Thank you, Nick, I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
That's my pleasure.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
I have a great holiday.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
Yeah, and you too.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
All right, thank you so much, sir, good night.

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(37:36):
So what you're waiting for? Wake up to the Strange? Hello, Ian,
and welcome to the show.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Good evening, Nate.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
It is great to have you on today, calling from
North Ayrshire, Scotland. Yes that's correct, now, Ian your experiences
take us back to nineteen fifty Would you like to
start there for us please aain.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
Yes, it was actually slightly after nineteen fifty. I was
born in nineteen fifty three in Glasgow and since my
early days of as far back as I can remember,
there have been a number of strange incidents that have
occurred during my life. And the first one I can

(38:23):
remembers whenever people start having memories was lying in bed
in a flat in Glasgow and seeing what I perceived
to be a number of faces staring into my room
from the window. But looking back on it now from

(38:47):
my perspectives is it could have been something similar to
whether you think we're living a three dimensional or two
dimensional or world, or whether there's actually sort of multi
universities existent at the same time. Now, these faces, I
did so of get frightened when I saw them, and

(39:09):
they happened quite a few times. No, from that time on,
I've had a number of strange currencies, mainly I suppose
feelings slightly as if there were abductions. The first one
I remember sort of clearly was being removed from where

(39:32):
I was in Glasgow, the bedroom in Glasgow, by a
group of small individuals. Perhaps at the time I saw
them as small, hoodied individuals, but in actual fact he
seemed to be in a woodland and another time and
another place, and they were taking me to a particular place.

(39:57):
Then I remember I was back in my bedroom and screaming,
and my mother come into the room, and I told
her what had occurred, and of course she thought I'd
been dreaming, and explained it a way that way. Another
group of individuals that I seemed to have experience of

(40:21):
were strangely enough, a group of ladies. And there were
strange ladies and me well, they described themselves and their
names as bitten ladies. And they had two or three
occasions when they sort of took me again to somewhere

(40:43):
which was not where I was, and again returning me
back while I was sort of still very frightened and screaming,
and again explained to my mother what had happened, and
again I'd been dreaming, which I hadn't been, because I
was quite conscious and knew exactly what happened. We had

(41:05):
to move from in the nineteen sixties to a place
not so far from where we lived in Kelsa Street,
which was in Yoka, to base called drum Chapel. One
particular evening, I've been in bed and I wasn't very

(41:25):
old at the time. I wast wanted to be about
nine years old, I should imagine. I think it was
about nineteen sixty true, and lying in bed, I found
myself surrounded by an extremely bright light. In fact, it
was almost blinding the light, and in my memory I

(41:48):
began to scream. I felt as if a period of
time had passed and I was now from wherever I've been,
back in my room, surrounded by this bright light again,
lots of screaming. The whole family burst into the bedroom.

(42:13):
I explained the situation again, I suppose not really explained
a way of dreaming, but imagination's probably the best way
that they would explain it. No, I think it was
fairly quite from that time on, Apart from the time
when I was living in a place called Potton in

(42:35):
our house, Eppstone House, which was an old bake house
back to but the eighteenth century. There was quite a
number of them strange incidents that happened in that particular house,
where rooms would change and furniture would change within that

(42:55):
and voices were heard, and not only me this time,
but actually one or two of my brothers and my
mother it had a strange experience or separate experiences in
that property. So when I went on when I left
school to work in a leather manufacturing job where I

(43:18):
was working in hitchin where there was a setting out machine.
No leather when it's sold in bolt, it's done by area,
and the machine I was working at the time was
called a setting out machine which had two rulers and
a healthily sheep blade at the back which actually spread

(43:38):
the hides and skins into a larger area. And on
one particular date, I was just quite happily working away
and putting the finished articles onto a horse ready for
the next process, when I saw a fall of light
emerge from a wall at the end of the tannery.

(44:02):
It seemed to be floating around that particular area where
I was working, and it seemed to be although whether
you would believe it was alive or not, it would
be hard to say. It seemed to be have some
it was either in control of itself as something was
control over it, because it seemed to be looking or
searching for something, and it did this for I suppose

(44:26):
between five and ten minutes and then returned to the
wall and the area of the war that originated from.
And then this disappeared back into the wall. Now, the
next incident happened in about nineteen seventy three. I lived
at that time in Potton, which is in Bedfordshire, and

(44:48):
I've been seeing in the evening with a friend. Listened
to music we were listening to, so I recall the
Beatles and it was Sargant Pepper's Lonely Heart Hubs Band.
After that record had finished, this time for me to
go home. Now, as I left, the news was just
starting at that time. It started at nine o'clock, and

(45:11):
so I knew what time it was I left. I
left at nine o'clock that particular evening, and as I left,
I lit up a cigarette. Now the time to cover
the distance from his place to Mines was about ten minutes,
and as I said, I was just letting up a
cigarette and was walking back Horner. I was walking down,

(45:32):
I rode or a street called the King Street, and
still smoking a cigarette, I looked around and there's a
place called the Church Causeway which led from King Street
up to Saint Mary's Church, and it was dark and
which tells you what time of year it was. And
as I walked past the church causeway, there were two

(45:56):
people ages I would say young, which would be I
spoke between mid twenties and thirty. One was a meal
one was a female, and they were looking at me
and smiling, and at that time I just looked and
thought it strange, but carried on walking and they were

(46:18):
given small laughter. And as I passed the co op
which was in King Street, I stubbed at my cigarette
and walked to the markets. Because I could see probably
about thirty yards before me on maybe forty hours. I
looked up at the clock and the clock said quarter
past twelve, which was caught past midnight. So this, I

(46:43):
suppose you could see. It left me feeling strange, and
what's happened here, you know, because it takes ten minutes
of smaller cigarette, not three and a half hours or whatever.
So I got home and I tried to explained my
father what happened, and of course he wasn't prepared to
believe this, but anyway, that's actually what happened. Now then

(47:05):
moving on, but the same friend, and this was a
little while later. We were in my backyard and it
was a night now I can't remember which lunar landing
it was, but it was the night of a lunar landing,
and we looked up at the moon just start of curiosity.

(47:26):
As we looked up at the moon, if he and
I saw what looked like one or two crafts come
from behind them, and we we did watch it for
quite a while. We went out and we sort of
kept looking up. We could see this craft or whatever
it was. We're still flying in the vicinity of the moon.

(47:47):
And after a short well maybe an hour or so,
it returned not to where the moon had been, but
not where the moon was, so it actually moved from
the back of the moon from where it was to
the back of the moon. Again. It's no new location
or the location it was in when this these one

(48:11):
or two craft, I think mate, I think it was
more than one craft that returned to its position. Then
later on around at nineteen seventy six, I was out
for the day visiting place called Wimpole Hall. I believe
it's in Cambridgehire, it's not that way anyway, and they've

(48:32):
got a folly, and wild Star was up on his folly.
It seemed to be a sort of like upper ridge.
It's not on the top of the ridge. On the
way up to the top of the ridge, I looked
across to an adjacent field and saw I think it
was three balls of light. Well, they were moving across

(48:52):
the top of the crops. And to say that they
were moving would be more active, you said, it would
seem to be like dancing in that field. And as
I've said to one or two people I've explained to
before that a strange feeling or attitude comes over me

(49:14):
at least when I see these uppose things, is that
you feel as if there was nothing, there's nothing unusual
in it. Only it's only them again, you know, it's
a case like there were little things misbehaving when any
That's the feeling that I experienced. Now we move on

(49:34):
probably to when I was in the Royal Navy, and
this is a number of incidents happened quite close together.
In about nineteen seventy eight, we were in the area
of the Bermuda Triangle, had been for about three months.
On this particular night, I or we that were on

(49:55):
the radar, I think it was a surface table at
the time, picked up a contact on the radar that
had been there for a while. We also had held
on a planned position indicator in the center and it
was definitely there held on radar, but there was nothing

(50:15):
on visual. And this contact remained with us for quite
a while, for quite a few days actually, and this
seemed to disturb most of us, especially the offices which
the thing is under. I think like that contact there
that can't be described or explained under these circumstances can

(50:39):
be a bit disconcerted from military military forces. During that
period of time, I was keeping myself very fit by
doing a lot of training on the upper deck and
just before I went on duty, well, while I was
doing the training, I saw what seemed like a wall

(51:04):
of fog. Now it wasn't like normal fog that drifts
in this sort of even in drifting edges. This was
like a straight wall. It was almost like a solid
straight wall. And it differently, It was not like a
normal sea fog or a hare or anything like that.

(51:24):
It was a very tall, high straight wall. Later on,
when I was on duty in the oak room as
a as a radar platter, we were in when we
would have been in that wall, because we were heading
straight for it, we were surrounded by this is in
the actual oproom itself by an over overpowering putrid smell

(51:46):
described only what could be like rotten meat, very very
very pungent rotten smell. And again during that incident, it's
a separate incident, but it sort of fits in with
the previous two incidents, one of the officers that were
on duty in the or room had to be removed
from the room well basically because he'd become unhinged. He

(52:12):
he wanted to He thought he could get rid of
it by wafting it away and using I suppose air
spray and things like that, which was really ridiculous. He'd
actually the good chap had actually lost it. So he
was removed from the vicinity the room. Once again. This

(52:37):
was on the same I suppose tour. I say too
much about it, but because we have to be careful
what we say when you're in the our forces. Once again,
later on, this was I think maybe a week later.
I was on the fog lookout and I saw further
out to see a number of what were colored balls,

(53:00):
and they seemed to be accompanied by the sound of bells.
But there wouldn't have been any bells out there because
we were too far from shore. Well, we were right
in the middle of the Permuda triangle, so what you
can make of that is sort of anyone's business. Later on,
when when I had left the Navy, this is nineteen
eighty one again back in portand this time we were

(53:22):
living in Burry Hill in a council host. I was
walking down to my local for a relaxing drink, shall
we say, And whilst walking down the hill about eighty
feet up eighty feet in the air so well, quite

(53:44):
a bit ahead of me, I saw what was an
enormous large ball of what seemed like a fiery orange,
very bright ball that flew over my head. I say,
it's still a bit eighty feet and it was roaring
like it was, and it went over my head and

(54:08):
went behind me towards I suppose it be wrestling Worth,
which would be from I suppose west, Yes, it would
be from west to east. When it was going straight
above my head inwards wrestling Worth anyway, again, that that
feeling of oh, it's just them again, and not this
feeling of any panic or surprise. It was a kind

(54:31):
of like as it gets closer to you, a kind
of strange feeling is apparent. Anyway to me, and it's
just like that they're at it again. Yeah, it's just
them again. So and once they're gone, you just like
shake your head and just carry on. So I'll just

(54:54):
carry it on to my location pub. This is at
nineteen seventy six. Be about nineteen seventy six, I was
driving a lorry for the local authority, initially the central
purchasing department and then on to the I suppose you

(55:17):
call it the stores education kind of departments merged. But
on this particular night, I dropped off my shotgun for
want of a better word. The young lad was with
us while I was doing the driving. He'd be with
us to assist us and moving stuff on and off

(55:37):
florries into one place and another. And I dropped him off.
And I was driving back from Bedford Oughton because I
think we had to start early the next day. Driving back.
I was driving back and I had feeling of someone
sitting beside me. It was a fill of there was

(55:58):
somebody there and we were having a conversation, and I
was talking to this person whoever it was certainly no
one I knew or even thought was there, and was
talking to them. And then all of a sudden, the
person I was talking to just wasn't there anymore. I

(56:19):
won't say that they dissolved into missed or whatever, but
they just weren't there.

Speaker 4 (56:26):
No.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
Then this again random at the same time, a small
lamp was there in my neck. I remember it was
on the right hand side. Yes, it was the right
hand side. And it was there for a while, and
I mean not knowing what it was or heard about anything.

(56:48):
I was in sort of really in everything cancer or
anything like that at the time, but it kind of
like just disappeared all of a sudden, and it was
there for quite a while and then gone again. Nothing
very much happened for about two thousand and nine, and
prior to that time. Just before that time, I was

(57:09):
working as a custody officer in an immigration removal center
and my mother became very ill and had two consecutive
boats of chest infection, so series that died to sort
of giving my job to come up to Millport, which

(57:30):
is in Airshire of airshirejs an island just about a
mile off shore where I'm actually currently residing. One night
I was living when I lived in Glasgow Street in Millport,
I was out in the back garden with the cat
and the dog, and I looked up to the sky.

(57:51):
It was dark, and the sky was fairly dark. With
the usual sky were stars and things, and as I
looked into the sky, not expecting to see anything, there
was nothing. Further from her mind when I saw three
shield shaped objects. The only thing I explained really is

(58:12):
that if you've ever looked at the things in Star
Trek where they attack, when they talk to somebody, it's
a sort of logo that the logo they were similar
to that. There was three of them, and of course
being up the sides there were they were quite small,
but they sort of came out of the darkness as
if they'd just flown through a dark sheet, and they

(58:37):
flew along for a while and then disappeared or merged
again with the darkness. It was like they've gone through
into the darkness and disappeared. That was that. Well, there
are a number of other things that have occurred, but
how long ONCET my lists go on, So Nick, I
think that's as much as I can I get from memory.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
Ian.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
You did great, Yes, thank you, Nick, wonderful.

Speaker 3 (59:04):
You had quite a lot of experiences there over the years.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
Yeah, there are some more nick. But as I say,
the going over the years, it's hard to get them
into chronological order and getting them right. That's why i'd
difficulty with that one at nineteen seventy five, and the
Laurry that I realized after that was after I left
the Navy.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
It's difficult, and I mean trying to remember dates and stuff.
And it's not that you were keeping record over the years,
was it?

Speaker 1 (59:31):
No? I wasn't.

Speaker 4 (59:32):
No.

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Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
Let's go back to the experiences that you had when
you were younger. Yeah, you talk about the hooded figures?

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
Yeah, is there any.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
Details that you actually remember about them? In particular?

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
The things I remember is the size and what appears. Know,
when I was young, I thought they looked a bit
like monks, but then again, you've got you haven't very
much to relate to when you're younger. But no, I
suppose they could have been wearing any number of garb.
They just at that time seemed to be wearing hoods.

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I suppose you were wearing hoods, and I suppose sort
of kind of loose fitting clothes. So, and they seem
to be kind of like a bit hard to tell.
There's been a monk and something of this military, you know,
it's their whole gate ap seemed to be very similar. So,
and I seem to remember the place that we were
in was that kind of like very green and very woody,

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So I'm not too sure of it was some alternative
place we've been to or some alternative time where I
was awake, and I remember we were kind of like
they were marshaling me somewhere, you know what I mean?
They were They were They were small. They would say
they were. I wouldn't say midget because they didn't have
that the midget sort of appearance of physique. They were

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just small, normal normal sheep, just small.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
And do you have any recollection of actually seeing their faces?

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
Their faces they could have been dark. Yes, i'd say
they were. They were quite dark, but that might have
been because of the what I thought were hoods. You
know that they were just small dark. They were arting
me along through this sort of like for want of
where you probably selt wooded glade. But I mean, that's

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kind of hard to say, really, But the that's about
as much as I can remember about it, except that
I was awake, and I think I was resisting quite
a bit. I didn't really want to be going.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
And you recall having experiences with them on several occasions.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
I only seem to remember if there were more than
one occasion. There were, There were very few. The most
occasions I had were the things regarding the bitten ladies.
There was quite a few occasions with them.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
Bitten ladies in particular, how are they treating you?

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
Kind of like, not very respectful, I was say, in
a slightly abusive way of manner on nature. But I
was very young at the time. I was probably well
I was under seven, definitely under seven. I suppose I
could have been round about five. They probably about five
at the time.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
Of course, it's it's difficult to try and remember details,
especially that age. There were many of them, more than
one of these ladies.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Yeah, there was I would say round about between seven
and ten of them.

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
And they actually called themselves the bitt and Ladies.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
Yeah, that's where I got That's where I got the
name from. And when I mentioned it, when I got
back away from what I considered them and back here
as it was, that was the name I used to
describe them.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
I don't know why, but it sounds as soon as
you mentioned it it rang a bell, But I don't know,
I don't remember why. U usual the environment that they
took you to, was it the same as where the
monks had you when they were interacting?

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
No, no, no, it was different.

Speaker 4 (01:03:44):
It was.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
It was more bright. It was a brighter place. I
wouldn't I say what the countryside of what the the
background was like, but they were there. It was a
very well kind of bright place. And they were I
would say, t't think they look like they were kind
of like finish and dark bodied. Yeah, they're kind of

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like Yeah, there were. They were very I don't know,
I'm not going to say witch light, but they were
just not very pleasant, if you know what I mean.
And their clothing, the clothing was kind of of let's
see you know, I might say raggedy, but that that

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might be inaccurate. I'll say there it was loose, loose clothing.
Closers aren't get to thinking back loose clothing and their interactions.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
Was it predominantly in the sixties, was, I mean it
was different times, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
It was. It was. It all happened around about that time. Yeah,
I would say that there was. Certainly it didn't go
beyond the sixties. So no, it was while I was
living in Kelso Street, which was in which is in Glasgow.
It's in yorka part of Glasgow, and by that time,

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but after that I moved up to Drum Chapel, which
is where I had that incident in the bedroom where
I was surrounded by pure white light.

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
Yeah, that's another interesting one. I'd like to say that
your experience is unique, but it's they're actually quite common.
You know, a lot of my guests I'm going to
talk about very similar things.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
As as far as I know, Nick, I mean, you know,
it tends to be certain people, not saying that everybody
gets it, but there's enough people who've experienced the same thing.
And although what I said later on, my brothers and
mother had experienced something. We lived at Epperstone House and

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Portner's Bull Street in Portland. I have had the most
exposure to this kind of phenomenon, shall we say, I
mean there was one. There was one night when my
mother God rested her. She was lying in bed one
night and she saw this very large individual standing in

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the doorway to her room and she was totally paralyzed.
She could not move. I don't think anything very much
happened to She couldn't scream or move or whatever. Now
I wouldn't even be sure where that person was in
there for her. Ben perhaps might have been looking for me.
That's just me adding a little bit of a story too,

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but that's what happened to her. There was another occasion
in that same house when I was lying in bed,
sharing the bedroom with my four brothers because it was
a very large room. My younger brother well, he let
out of screaming, and my brothers were saying, what you're
screaming at? And he said he'd seen me sit up

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in bed, but in actual fact, my body was lying
on the bed, but he saw me sit up of
my body as at were.

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
You know, so you haven't been just the only one
to experience things has been multiple various different members of
the family.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
Yeah, but only on a very on, very short occasion.
I mean, I've got another brother who totally poo poose it,
And I wouldn't say he's in denial. He just want
accept that these phenomenons happened. But you know, my mother
who's dead now, experienced that situation with the large person

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in the doorway coming in from the hall, and my
brother Bill that was only as I'm aware of experience
that he had. He may have had more. I think
he said he heard something about hearing voices. One. I
hear voices quite a bit. I'm not I don't hear
voices something. It's a kind of I've got this strange

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feeling that there are visitations between one of the multi
alternative universes that actually do cross over. Certain I suppose frequencies,
but that's just my feeling, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
I Mean I do cover a lot of experiences on
the show, various from from UFOs and the paranormal, even
some cryptis, bigfoots of that kind of thing. The reason
why is because I do believe, you know, there is
a lot of connections in between the different types of experiences.

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
Yeah, with me. I'm the realms of fantasy here, but
I've got feelings sometimes certain ideas and thought processes and
that actually come to me from somewhere else, and that's
involving physics, understanding, philosophies, and i can feel that they

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come and give me some kind of understanding, which I've
never even been educated, because although I've had that many
jobs everything apart from science and brain surgery, seems to
have had every sort of job under the under the sun,
and I've really only had an education which wasn't that

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brilliant because when I was at secondary school, even since
my early age is not not until no I suffered
from dyslexia. So academic study was something that was always
a struggle to me. So I've always had to try
and I suppose get education from experience rather than from books.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
And you know, you're the first person I've spoke to
that I've actually been within the Bermuda triangle as well.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
Yeah, I've spent at least three months in there. It
was it was a very strange place. You might watch
about it on a television and wonder whether it's true
or whether it isn't, and can that really be the
case with these things happen. Well, from my it is

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a very bizarre place. Effects, compassies, effects, just everything. I mean,
you can't really describe. It's like a it's like another
world really, and I mean I don't know. Only you
go further down to Sarah guesso see, and there's another

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peculiar place.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
I remember having a book by Charles Blitz many many
years ago, in his book of about the Bermuda Triangle,
hearing about these walls of fog.

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
Yeah, that was that was weird.

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
Were they the same? Were they just normal fog color?

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
Yeah, it was like a normal gray color. But if
you can see, I don't know. I mean, I've got
next to me a filing cabinet. It's a nice smooth
wooden filing cabinet. And the wall with this loop, I
mean never felt it remind up against it. But loop,
it's flat as a wall. I mean it's almost it's

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almost as if there was something pushing against it, keeping it,
you know, because mists and fog moves and they're sort
of like not regular shape, like a low clod really,
And but this was a sheer wall and it was
as flat and as smooth as any war you could

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imagine really and and it went up so high, well,
it were up so high I couldn't see the sky
that there's my point coming and I mean so not
so high, and it was it was just well, it
was stationary, as I explained, explained to my brother, because
he writes poetry as well, but he sits down and

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creates and sort of shapes that manages it. And whereas
my poem tend to come just out of nowhere. It's
like automatic writing, you know. It seems to come from
from something otherways, coming from within me or something I'm watching.
I'll just worts something, whether it's something in the outside,
something that's happened, or or whether it's something on the television.

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It just tends to and very rarely, if ever alter it,
you know, because some people will say, well, either do
this and I'll do that. And this seems to just
like flow without any those prior management.

Speaker 3 (01:12:20):
You know what it feels like outside influence.

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
Yeah, it does. It feels as if there's it's coming from,
it's come from somewhere else. And although it's something I'm
well have seen or something it's almost like, I mean,
I have some very strange ideas you won't do another interview.
But I've got ideas in my head are really bizarre,
and I think that we are in kind of like

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walking around and meet suits and but like radios and
programs on the television and act there's you know, there's
sort of the influence that come through us as people
might be considered the spirits and that are actually coming
into our beings from elsewhere. Another wad putting it is
you may have heard this theory before, but it's one

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that I picked up even before I heard the theory,
because one I heard the theory, I thought, yeah, that's
what I think. It's a case of time and people
seeing things on it. It's a bit like remember the
old radio at a Norborne. You turned it and you
can sometimes get two stations happening at the same time.
One would merge with the other, you know, and you

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get a bit coming through from another station, you know,
the long way meets a short wave and all that
sort of thing. And well, I think that sometimes happens
our existence here, and I think there's sometimes we are.
Everything's on a frequency. Everything in the universe, as far
as I'm concerned, as a frequency. The reason that they've
got a solidness to it is because they exist and

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vibrating different frequencies, and one can't go through the other
because of the from frequency. You could alter the frequency
of one, you could actually blend it with the other,
or even put it through. My theories can go a
lot deeper than that. I mean it would it would
certainly take a good long time for you to listen

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to my weird, bizarre carea hunting thoughts.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
You know, many people have said, you know, they always
felt their ideas, their inventions, you know, their equations all
came from from somewhere else. Like Einstein used to say
the same thing, Tesla. Yeah he was, he was in
belief for the same.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
Yeah, I've heard that, but havn't heard those things. These
are things that I that I had well established in
my own thought patterns, and it was nice for me
to think, well, it's not just me, you know, because
you start to think that maybe maybe you're weird, or
maybe there's something strange and bizarre. But you when you

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start to realize that, you know, there are other you know,
sort of people with similar experiences, you start thinking, well,
maybe there's something in it, or maybe you're not as
mad as you thought. You were, I mean theories about
time travel and seeing. There was also one particular thing
which I never mentioned during the speaking was one time

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when I was walking from where I was important to
Sandy because I had some friends that were four miles away,
and I used to walk there sometimes for a night.
In one particular evening, I am being lifted up into
the sky and then all of a sudden, I don't
know what the time difference was between this being lifted
up into the sky and then returning back down again.

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I don't know how long that period was, but it
was a feeling, a feeling, sensation that happened one particular
night whilst walking to Sandy. It was a nice starry night.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
As I recall you said, when you would see these objects,
there was there was a kind of an acceptance already
where you know, it's just it's just them again.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
Yeah, yeah, it is just just them again. And there's
also a feel, and I've had for many years, there's
some kind of transference or part transference between me and
someone else from somewhere else. It's almost like part of
me is just here for a little while, sharing a
particular existence. That's how it feels like or similar people

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out there to meself, I don't feel so stay isolated.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
In isolated and an actually fact where I.

Speaker 1 (01:16:32):
Live Mick has been reported and has been in the
main press. It's actually a sort of like a UFO highway.
There's been ever so much we call it UFOs or
whatever they call the modern name for it. But you know,
identify find objects have been seen a lot around here,

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and there's quite a lot toing and throne apparently.

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
But yeah, you're right, you know there there are hot
spots all over over the UK. In Wales, you know,
you got South Wales, and the same up in Scotland.

Speaker 1 (01:17:03):
It's true, there's there are more people out there that
have seen things the balls of like I've saw. I
was talking to someone in the British Leading Club in
Millport being ex service I used to frequent it known
again and I met a chap in there who has
idea of these balls of likes they're more to do

(01:17:25):
with ghosts and spirits. Well who might as here they
are or they aren't, but he's he's eldestly experienced them
as well, and I think he's part of a group
to do with I suppose ghosts were want of a
better word.

Speaker 3 (01:17:40):
You know, you've got some part of people which are
involved with UFOs. They're very nuts and bolts, you know,
it's basically there as they're a solid form. So they
kind of discount these orbs side of things, the whole
consciousness and all that kind of stuff, and you, to
be honest, you can't. You know, you cannot dismiss. You
have to kind of look at as a whole. You
can't just pick and choose what you think is credible.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
That's right, I could. I couldn't agree more, but I'll
say what I was going to say was, there is definitely,
in my experience a lot out there that is going on.
I can't rightly say what it is, whether my ideas
or my imagined ideas, but there are experiences I've had

(01:18:22):
which are, as far as I'm concerned, real. But to
explain what they are is so diverse, because I think
we have we only experience a little bit of the
universities or the existence that we're hearing, or explain it
in that way. But I think there's there's far more

(01:18:44):
outside range of understanding and physical and psychological experience. There's
just so many things that we experience unexplainable, that there has.

Speaker 3 (01:18:59):
To be more and we know, yeah, for sure, And
it's kind of in a way it's exciting also, you know, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
Also exciting and frightening at times. It is.

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
Yeah, I don't know what would be more frightening knowing
we're alone or knowing we're not alone.

Speaker 1 (01:19:14):
I was putt it this way in my belief, because
belief is not knowing. I mean, knowing is evidence understanding
of what's happening. But in my belief, from what I've experienced,
they're far more variable in this existence that we can
be aware of or understand. And I think probably it's

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nice to go out there and look for and look
for the answers. And when we'll ever know these answers,
I don't know, but it's it's not an excuse for
not looking.

Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
I agree with you. I mean, when I was growing
up in the in the early eighties, you know, seeing
all the Spielberg movies and then thinking just you know,
probably won't be very long. We'll find out, you know,
we find out the truth, and but you know that
time gets longer and longer.

Speaker 1 (01:19:59):
Yes, yeah, you see, you see glimpses sometimes sometimes on
the media and on films and people who write, well,
see the people who are creators that people who are
right things. It's almost as if you look at me
and think, well, somebody knows something. You never thought about something,

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or you might have questioned something else, and well that
makes sense, you know, and some people do have I
don't know what's understanding or a gateway into the some
which she has been until no unexplainable. And that's basically
what it is, that until no, we see things that
we can't explain, but it doesn't stop them being there,

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and the fact that they are there begs an explanation.
I'm convinced. And I said to my brother, who's denying
of the whole thing, about me seeing these things and
I believe I've been abducted. But he won't have it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:57):
You know, there's a good chance that if you were
than he probably was. So you probably want to say
that to.

Speaker 1 (01:21:02):
Him, Well, I have. I have sort of like said
similar things to him. But whether he's that this denial
denial picks the nature or the form of running away
from it, or just you know, to some people, you know,
they got no no, because it's still so far out
of there. A bit like Jonathan Clees, you know, when

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he was acting up and fault it has something occurred
and because of the way his mind was constructed, he
just couldn't accept although it was there and it was obviously,
he just couldn't accept it. But that kind of complete
denial of something which is staring you right in the face,

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but you can't accept its reality because for to do
so would mean that everything that you knew or thought
you knew or had been put the thing would bring
your whole idea and your whole world crashing around you.
We should probably lead to some kind of mental breakthough.

Speaker 3 (01:22:09):
The good thing now is these days, you know, you
can kind of bring up the whole you know, the
publicity that's coming out now with the US Navy and
everything which is in the news and which is going
through Congress and all that. So it's not just fantasy anymore,
you know, it's not just on the TV. It's going places,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
Yeah, I mean my earlier experiences the happened and very
few people watch around with cameras, never mind mobile phones
on them, and there were very few people then had
even sort of like video recorders in that. So I
think now there's probably more things coming to light no

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than there was in the parcel, though I have seen
one or two things that have annoyed me on the
Internet where the actual things that are actually being posted
are so obviously the fake that it almost like rubbish
is the whole subject now, whether that's people trying to
get some kind of qud or so, whether it's some

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people trying to sort of pooh pooh the whole subject
and take this seriousness away our maxed military raw Navy.
When these things were happening in the Berguida triangle, especially
the bit where the contact was being followed on radar,

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but there was nothing on visual because everyone was up
on the bridge trying to locate this thing. Visually, there
was nothing, but it was definitely there, and we were
were supposed to talk about it. I would never talk
about anything which would do in danger Britain's security in

(01:23:52):
any way alsoever shape or form. But I'm quite sure
that I am going to talk about this incident because
it happened and it was there. We were there for
particular reason, but this this contact was there and it
was there for days. I can't remember how many days
it was there for, but it was there for days

(01:24:14):
because I would. I would come back on watch and
it was still there, and we say, is it still there?
Is it still there? It was still there, and there
was a lot of nervous people, especially the ones that
have scrambled egg on the rats and coats, you know,
the officers. There's staff that they hate and there's been
something there that they can't explain or describe.

Speaker 3 (01:24:37):
Was it ever concerning for yourself or your other crewmates
the genuine location where you were.

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
I would say that as far as I was concerned,
there was obviously a love of concern as to what
it is it. But I think my old riding concern
was I suppose curiosity or what could it be? I
think a lot of my shipmates, especially in the UK room,
because they would they would be they were the ones

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that were experiencing this object. No, we were. We weren't
supposed to talk about it and blah blah blah. But
as far as I'm concerned, I've talked about it enough
in the past, and they've talked about it because it
was there and it happened, and I wasn't all in
one that sort of everyone who was in New York
room sort all the officers knew it was there.

Speaker 3 (01:25:27):
And you know, I think when it comes to military individuals,
you know, and as long as they don't speak about
what they were doing on the tour. I mean obviously
the Bermuda triang which is a very wide area, you know,
and you're not talking about ship and stuff, you know.
But they didn't make you signing if I didn't say
to you, you can't talk about it. Sign here.

Speaker 4 (01:25:45):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:25:45):
No, people were just called verbally not to talk about it.
It was I suppose really there wasn't really very much
they could do about it, to be honest. I mean,
the thing is, I left the Navy back at nineteen
seventy nine. It was a long time ago, and I
suppose these things have been normal since then. It's certainly

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been happening. Must a lot of people have seen them.
And well, of course I've always been the sort of
person who can only go with what I've experienced and
what I suppose not to be true. I mean, I
don't see any point in me making up all these
things that have happened. What's the point they happened? And

(01:26:31):
I suppose really on occasions have been slightly disturbing, not
so much the ones with the stage, and I don't
know why that is. Other things. What we can consider
is UFOs are things that fly around up in the
sky and we don't know what there is. They've been
one or two. Other incidents have been a little bit
more disturbing, like that incident were lost for three hours?

(01:26:54):
I mean that was that was bizarre, And you know,
it's a bit hard to think, well, this years of
my life is gone. Where have they're gone? And what
happened while I was gone? And all their stuff? And
sometimes I'll bump into complete strangers and they'll talk to
me as if they know me, and I'll talk to
them while I'm talking to them is if I know them,

(01:27:16):
like they're all friends and haven't seen them for a while,
and then all of a sudden, when they're gone, the
whole thing just there's nothing there. It's not like what
just happened? You know, who was that? But while you
were actually meeting them, it's like they'd come up to
you for some kind of situation report, you know, what
have you got to tell us? And and what's that?

(01:27:36):
And then all of a sudden they're gone. And so
see the great connection between who they were and the
complete strangers. You've never met them before.

Speaker 3 (01:27:46):
Their unusual encounters, aren't they you know when you were
when you were talking about the missing time loss, Yeah,
asked those two and they smiled at you.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
Yeah. There there was a man and a woman and
who was standing at the entrance to the church causeway.
They looked over at me. They were smiling, and I
sort of heard the sort of laughing. And it wasn't
such a big ha hardfore, you know, and all the
rest of it. It was kind of like it's like
they knew something I didn't know. That's the sort of

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you know what I laughed. I know something you don't know,
that kind of laughter.

Speaker 3 (01:28:20):
And then three hours later you finally returned to your destination.

Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
Well, I don't remember going away. I just walked from
what the church causeway, walked up to where the court
was stopped at the cigarette on the ground, carried on walking,
looked up at the clock and it was quught past twelve.
It wasn't that if I felt that I'd been lifted
on that occasion from one place, lost time, and all

(01:28:44):
of a sudden it was back again. It was like
it was a stream of consciousness and time. It continued,
but for some reason, it continued outside the reality of
what we would consider is this universe. So this time
continuum thats the right word. Yeah, you get the space

(01:29:07):
time continuum. And it's like somehow there'd been a bend
in the river. You know, the river had been in
one way, I'd left the bank, the river of time
had gone round that way, and I joined it further
further along the river, There'd be like a bend somewhere,
and I stepped off the bank and picked up the
river again further on. So the stream of time further on.

(01:29:29):
That's not the only way I can explain it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:31):
Yeah, So I had a guest on a while ago
in America, now, when he was in college. He was
visiting his girlfriend and it had been snowing, so he
was just leaving her apartment, and he said he had
called as soon as he gets back. Now this journey,
he said it would take him thirty minutes, but it
was snowing, and he left, and he doesn't remember he
remembers leaving, but the next thing he remembers, he remembers

(01:29:53):
being home. All right. So then he called his girlfriend
to say, I've just arrived home, and she said, what
are you talking about you only left five minutes ago,
so a journey which should have taken him on a
normal day thirty minutes, but it was snow and so
it would have taken him a lot longer. He was
there in five minutes. Very strange.

Speaker 1 (01:30:12):
I mean some people, or most people, not some people,
most people, I think, believe that time is a constant.
In my experience, it isn't as I say, each individual,
as I see individuals as they're on time, I don't
actually see time as a moving thing or outside. The

(01:30:33):
time exists as far as I'm aware in my experience,
it's the only thing that exists is now. And we've
all got our own separate nails. I know from one
person maybe close to me, and we're existing and now,
But when we move out of each other's space of time,
that it then changes and you pick up a piece

(01:30:54):
of time somewhere else. It's like time exists now and
it's all around. The always existed and it always will exist.
But that always has and always will and always will
be in the future is just one anyway. It's a
it's a kind of explain to someone just recently, like
if you look into what we see the perceive as

(01:31:16):
the future. We think we're looking at the future, but
we're not. We can see if we have little bits
in between where we are and where we're looking, and
light hitting one particular thing. You can perceive a lot
of things at the same time something further away brain
experience them at the same time. But an actual fact,

(01:31:38):
the things that we're seeing in the immediate future and
the future further away and further away. What we're actually
doing is seeing the past now, but we think it's
the future because you're moving towards it now. If you're
moving from where you are now as a stationary person
towards the future, what you're actually doing, if you believe

(01:31:58):
in that the stream of time, the existence and time,
you're actually walking. As you think into the future, you're
actually walking into the past because you're looking at something
that you've already seen and you're walking towards that past.
And very often if you think you're leaving the past
behind you, an actual fact, it's it's it's hard to explain.

(01:32:20):
In the short period of time that we got here,
the intricacies and the complexities are one trying to describe.
We think time is a constant, it's not moving from
one place to another at constant speed, because time isn't constant,
it changes, it can move. Time moves around from one

(01:32:41):
place to another. Of that same when I was walking
on King Street, that stream of time, if it was
a river, it's gone on a bend. And I picked
up that stream further on, although that was in the future,
but that future could be seen as not a real future.
So what happened to that past before I got to
that particular part of the bank of the river? Again?

Speaker 3 (01:33:02):
Yeah, that's an interesting way of looking at it. One
thing I do know for sure is that the older
I get, the music gets worse. Terrible, wonderful. Wellie, and
I really appreciate you for coming on sharing that for
our listeners today.

Speaker 1 (01:33:15):
Well, thank you, Nicko. It's nice to chat to you.
Thank you very much, No problem. You take care of
yourself all right, Yan and yourself. I'm a good evening
and you Bye bye, bye bye.

Speaker 3 (01:33:26):
That is all for this episode. Keep updated and connected
with this show on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram. And if
you have an encounter you would like to share on
the podcast, you can email me at UFO Chronicles at
gmail dot com, or you can reach out to me
via the contact page on my website, UFO Chronicles podcast
dot com. A big thank you to Dalton and Ian

(01:33:47):
for sharing tonight, and as always, thank you all for listening.
I will be back next week. Till then, stay safe
and keep watching us guys. Goodbye to

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