Ep.156 Blue-Eyed Entities / Dementor (Throwback)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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report a UFO over hey, we want to one of
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God.

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I don't know what it was, but it's from at
least to three thousand feet above us. See, I passed
right over the top of.

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US ninety one one.

Speaker 5 (00:51):
You just called both to me before.

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He I where to God?

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More calm on an unidentified object every liberty or call
or calm on an unidentified flying object.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share
their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had
an encounter, I would like to be on the show.
You can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com.

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Hello and welcome to the show. Everyone wherever in the
world you are listening from. I hope you're all doing okay.
I'm Nick Hunter and you're listening to the UFO Chronicles podcast.
Our first guest night is Anne from South Africa and
Anne has been experiencing abductions by entities since childhood when
they would call her outside in the middle of the night.

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Then we head to the States to hear from Tony
in Colorado about some paranormal experiences that took place on
his family's property in the early two thousands, a black
specter that he and his friends witnessed floating above a field,
waking up to a ghost of an elderly man lying
next to him, and other strange occurrences. But first, big

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on with the show. Hello, and welcome to the show.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
And hi thanks Nick.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
It's wonderful that you've managed to come on today and
you're calling from South Africa.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yes, I am indeed now and your.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
Experiences began in early childhood. Would you like to begin
there for us please?

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Yes, I think little thought it because I've had quite
a few experiences or encounters if you want to call
in that, but I think the most the very first experience,
what's the most vivid one for me as well? This
was back in ninety eight eighty nine and I was
at the age of about four years old. I remember
waking up one night and from voices so specifically calling

(04:11):
my name, and I would hear this voice over and
over again. And I mean at that age you don't
really think clear, not like an adult wood So I
ended up following the voice and the voices were outside.
I remember walking to the front door, and at that
stage I was too little and I couldn't reach the
handle to unlock the front door, and I grabbed one

(04:35):
of my parents' bar chairs. It was a very tall
plastic bar chair. I still remember it like it was yesterday,
and I pulled it closer in front of the door
and plumbered onto the chair and locked the door. I
can even remember exactly how the door handle looked like.
It was a round door handle. It had one of

(04:57):
those little buttons that you pressed in them basically, you know,
locked the door. So unlocked the door, climbed off the chair,
moved the chair a little bit forward to obviously opened
the door, and in front of me was standing too entities.
They were human looking entities. But something told me that

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if I mean, I knew there was something strange to it.
At that age, I obviously didn't know about you know,
UFOs or aliens or anything like that. It was the
last last thing actually on my mind, so I was
thinking about that at that age. I was actually thinking
I was seeing angels or something. But the two entities
there was a female entity and a male entity. They

(05:40):
were quite tall, much taller than the normal human. So
I do remember they were very tall, and they had
very long, blonde, beautiful, beautiful entities. I remember looking at
the female and thinking she very beautiful. But I obviously
was super afraid. I didn't know what was happening. I
knew even so I followed the voices to outside. I

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knew that it wasn't quite normal to open the door
and find them two entities in front of you in
the middle of the night, and so I was very
shaken up. And I remember I was just super scared
from inside out, and something just told me. It's almost
like the female entity looked into my eyes and she
just like almost caught my attention, and I couldn't look away.

(06:25):
She had blue, blue, blue eyes, both of them, by
the way, they had proper blue eyes. And then I
remember she was speaking to me, and she was saying
that don't be afraid, because she could feel that I
was afraid, or she could see you or at that point,
I don't know, but I remember she said to me,
don't be afraid, do not here to hurt you. And
the next moment I realized that as she was speaking

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to me, her mouth was not moving, so her lips
wereent sleaning, and I could hear her speak to me
in my head. Little that I know that's what telepathic
communication back then. And I got such a fright that
I ended up wasting my pants and I just remember
resting my pants and I turned around and I ran

(07:08):
to my bedroom. As I ran to my bedroom, I
was scared to get into the bed because I just
kept from thinking, Oh my gosh, my mom is going
to kill me. You know, I've wet my pants. I
can't get into the bed with red pants. So I
went up to the cabin. I walked up to the cupboard.
I grabbed a towel, throw it around my waist, got
into bed, and I threw the blankets over my face
and I just hid and I fell asleep again. And

(07:31):
the next morning, and this is what is confirmation to
me that it wasn't I haven't spoken to a lot
of people about this before, but I've spoken to some
of my clothes family and friends, and you know, some
of them always most of them end up saying, you know,
it was probably just a dream. But I know it
wasn't a dream because when I woke up that next morning,
the door was wide open, the chair was still in

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front of the door, and the towel was still wrapped
around my body. So that was the first encounter, and
after that I started experiencing different or also it's almost
like it started getting more intinct. So I had quite
a few other encounters. It was a little bit different
because initially it was two entities, and the encounters after

(08:17):
that ended up being groups of entities. Up until the
age of that thing, I would say they I had
the same similar experience where I would wake up at night,
always at night, and I would hear them call me again,
and I would follow the voices to outside. And the
only difference is that I started accounting for missing time,

(08:41):
so I would walk outside and I would see them,
and the next moment I would wake up in my bed.
So it's almost like I don't know if they've I
don't know if they've got technology to kind of make
you forget. That's the feeling I've always had because I
can remember certain things, but I can't remember everything. So yeah,
I had all these strange experiences where I was called

(09:03):
outside quite a few times, and then I had a
few experiences where one evening I woke up in what
I thought was a big, large, white, very white room,
and I just remember that I didn't have any clothes
on when I was probably about the age of I

(09:25):
would say, twelve eleven, twelve, round about there, and I
had INTERSI sitting around me looking at me and making
notes almost like they were, you know, almost like that
like I was a patient and they were a doctor.
And I just remember that I was very shy because
I didn't have any clothes on, and I just I
was freaking out because I had these people who were

(09:46):
entities or beings looking at me. And the next moment,
it's almost like that the room started fading away and
I woke up and I was in my own bed,
but I was still in the same cause where I
was sitting in almost like a fetal position, trying to
hide my body. So that was one of the later

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encounters I experienced after I never really spoke to my
parents about this in my early ages, in my early years,
childhood years, but when I was about thirteen or fourteen,
I started mentioning to them that, you know, something was wrong.
And after many years, when I had this conversation again
with my mom, she said to me that I between

(10:29):
the ages of about six seven, ag yes old, all
the way up to about eleven twelve. She would wake
up the next morning and step on me, and I
was sleeping next to the bed on the floor, and
when she would ask me, you know what was happening,
I would say, well, I was escaped to sleep in
my bedroom. And I don't know if it was it
was probably due to these experiences that I've had, although

(10:53):
I can't I can't confirm that I've ever felt like
my life was threatened while I was going through these experiences.
I did, however, not understand as a child what was
happening to me, and therefore it was a very scary feeling.
I do have one more experience which is very which
stands out for me, where I woke up one evening

(11:17):
in my bed. Again. I would have the same a
lot of the times these experiences as I grew older.
You know, I would have this paralyzed feeling where I
couldn't move my body, I couldn't shout, I couldn't scream,
but I was wide awake. Now I've done a lot
of research in my latest years about that, and I

(11:37):
know a lot of people are saying that it's a sleeparalysis.
My experience, and what I believe is that they're more
to sleep paralysis in what they are actually telling us,
because this was not just one encounter. There were many
encounters where I would feel that my body is paralyzed,
and then I would have then I would also know

(11:58):
that there are interitries around in as soon as I
become paralyzed, And this specific evening, I woke up and
I was floating, almost like I was being pulled up
into the sky or something, but I was floating above
my bed, halfway between my bed and the ceiling, and
I couldn't move and I couldn't get any words out,

(12:19):
and I just remember speaking to them in my head,
shouting and saying, please let me go this, you need
to let me go. I don't want to do this,
and at sick some time. But eventually I woke up.
Eventually I wouldn't say woke up because I was wide awake,
but I do remember breaking free from this paralyzed feeling

(12:41):
and being able to move my body and breaking free
from it. So yeah, I don't know. I don't know
what these experiences were, but basically, in short, that's what
I've been experiencing over and over again.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
That's wonderful land. The entity is that you saw very beginning,
the female and the male, the blonde hair and blue eyes.
Were they were the entinees that you saw in later times?
Were they always the same or were they were they different?

Speaker 2 (13:11):
So if I try and think about it next, the
only the only time I've got soon counters where I distinctive,
distinctively remember seeing entities. It was the first time where
I saw the entities with the blonde hair, and I
then in some sort of a dream states saw another
entity which was a very young boy, had blue eyes

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and the very large head. It was almost like if
you if you think about the gray alien species, that
was the form that his head was. When I mentioned
previously the group that came to visit me, I had
a distinct feeling that they were not the same entities
as the blonde head entities that I met. It had

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a very different feeling. It was a different encounter and
because of the preal it was never the same when
when I had the encounters with the blonde haired entities,
I was never paralyzed. So I don't I can't one
hundred percent answer you on that, but from my feeling
from what I feel with amy. There were two different
entities that I encountered.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
Between the encounters, they felt different as well.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
They felt completely different. And the strange thing is that
I think that they've got certain technology that either makes
you only like forget certain things like I've got these
unaccounted missing times, like I can remember certain things, and
if I try and, for instance, focus on remembering their faces,

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like for instance, with the groups that approaching, it's almost
like my my mind starts hurting, like there's a block,
like it's so difficult for me to try and break
through that. So I do believe that they have got
certain technologies where they where they do write your memories.
Why I I remember certain things.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
But yet it was two different, completely different species I
think that I've encountered because it was two different encounters.
The one was a lot more frightening, I would say
than the first one. So where they visited me in groups,
it was you know, I was I was scared. I
was definitely scared. I con say that I felt like
my life was in danger, but I was scared for

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some reason. You know, there was something that was hearing
me about it.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
And you're right, you know the more you try and
focus on things, specially their faces, it's like you get
a kind of brain fog as well. It's like a
technique that's used in hypnosis.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
I definitely think so it's not only that you know,
I can't break through, but I actually I get physical
headaches when I try and think about certain details. That's
the strangest thing.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
Ever, when you approached your parents, what do they say
about it? Do they believe you?

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Well, when I approached my parents at that time, I
still was of the opinion because remember this was years ago.
People weren't really talking about other world be beings. So
at that point I thought it was you know, maybe
ghosts or angels or something. I didn't know what it was.
But I did tell my parents about this, and they

(16:13):
the only thing they said is you having bad dreams.
That's bad dreams. That's basically what they said to me.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
Yeah, it's usually the response, yes.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
That's correct, Joe. I've had further conversations with my parents
about this. Now in my late sixties, I would say
where I started doing a lot of research to try
and find out what was happening, you know, because I
eventually started putting the puzzle pieces together. You know, what
happened to me wasn't a normal thing. And when I
started doing research, I obviously realized that there's other entities

(16:45):
are saying it and it's just not just a ghost
that's visiting me at Conby, because it wasn't a ghostly experience.
And years after that, I spoke to my parents about
it again and they're very calm about it.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Now.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
I wouldn't say they believe me, but I don't think
there's a lot of people out there that would unless
you've gone through these experiences yourself.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
And they never mentioned that maybe if they'd ever had
an experience similar to this.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
My mom did mention to me that she, as a
child was sleepwalking quite a lot, which always made me wonder,
But nothing other than that. Another thing that's always made
me wonder is that my grandmother's got own negative blood.
I don't know that's got anything to do with it.
I've read some of these stories. I don't know, but no,
nothing specific encounter wise that they've experienced.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
Do you ever recall seeing any lights or any or
anything like that, any bright lights.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
The first encounter that I had when I was outside,
there was definitely lights, so on the few entities that
were standing in front of me. There was a bright
light behind them. So those lights I saw, I haven't
specifically seen any other lights, but I have had an
encounter before where I've heard a very strange hovering sound

(17:58):
outside outside my way. Those that's happened before where I've
heard the hovering, hovering sounds before.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
You were awake during this.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Wide awake, wide awake, even with the paralysis. I can
tell you I was wide awake up with sometimes blind
bead and I mean I could. I remember looking at
the curtains. The wind was blowing and the curtains were moving,
and you know when when I feel that paralysis, feelings
come on and then I know, I know they they

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are just eventually, after so many encounters, started realizing what
was happening.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
Having suffered with sleep paralysis, and so I was young.
You know, the science science field, they tend to explain
it away of far too quickly. No, definitely, because there
is definitely a connection between you know, these these encounters,
these experiences that people have and sleep paralysis.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
They've got to be a connection, because Nick, I've had
I've had certain dreams as well, so just I would
I would feel the paralysis feeling, and I would actually
hear that, you know, movements, movements inside the house, like
something someone's there, or there's a few of them there,
so I knew, I knew there was something happening. And
then the next morning I would break up and I

(19:06):
would have like memories of dreams, which I believe is
not dreams because while you know, while with the paralysis,
s thoughts and then you've got memories, there's definitely got
to be a link to Scientifically, I think they are
aware of what's going on, but they will they will
not confirm to the public what really is going on.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
Yeah, you're not wrong. Do you recall when your last
experience was.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
My last experience was probably about I would say closer
to a year ago. So the experiences I've had in
my older years, it's very strange and it's very frustrating. Actually,
it's you know, I can remember the paralysis feeling, and
I can have certain small, vivid images, but it's like

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they've got some sort of mind control or mind why technology.
So I can't recall a lot, but I do know
that the experiences are continuing. It has happened, you know,
a couple of times that continuously, continuously happens, whether it
takes a couple of months out of each other or
sometimes it takes a year. A year would go post

(20:15):
and nothing would happen to me. Two years might go past,
but I'd always as get to a point where you know,
I would I would have that paralysis feeling again, and
I know that they be.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
And do you take notes when when something happens? Do
you jot it down on paper?

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yes, I've got some notes specifically also about my dreams.
It's given me a lot of answers, so I do
have a diary that I keep, especially on dreams as well.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
Yeah, it's always best to journal these these experiences, you know,
and they might find patterns and like you said, you
know little answers.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
Yes, yeah, no, definitely, And like I said, what feels
like a dream is not necessarily a dream. I believe
that they've also got technology where they can take you
in a split stick and you would maybe go into
another dimension or another universe. I'm not sure. But the
time is different, It's different than at easier, so you

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might be you might be gone for split second here,
but you might be experiencing a whole different timeline somewhere else,
which might be a lot longer.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
Yeah, the term dream is very loose, isn't it. It's
easier just to say to say this, you know, it's
like a dream, a dream like state.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah, yes, it definitely is. And that's why i'd say
it's I think there's a lot more people out there
that are probably thinking that they're just having certain dreams.
But I would say, if you are having strange dreams
over and over again, you should start doing some research
because I think there's a lot more to it than

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just being a dream.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
Yeah, you're absolutely right. How do you actually how do
you feel about your experiences over the years?

Speaker 2 (21:58):
Nika struggled to when I initially started figuring out what
was happening to the Alstra, I struggled to cope with it,
I would say, because I didn't really I was scared,
you know, and I was trying to accept what was happening.
And I think the worst thing of all was that
I couldn't speak to anyone anybody about it.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
You know.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Every time I tried, people would just say, you know,
laugh it out and say, no, man, yeah, there's no
such thing as aliens. There's no such thing as having
different experiences in dream schedule, in other dimensions. You know,
they wouldn't believe it. But you know, in my late thirties,
I started realizing, you need to make peace with this.

(22:40):
I've done a lot of research after that and I
realized what was going on, and I would say, from
the dire, I said myself, I'm not going to be
scared of it any longer. That was the same day
I started making peace with it as well. I don't
believe we will ever have all the answers if we
If we would, then I don't think they would be

(23:02):
wiping our memories. I think there's a reason they wiping
our memories. They don't want us to have all the answers.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
And that's probably the best way of actually dealing with
this type of thing, because at the end of the
day is it is trauma based, and you know, if
you just brush it under the carpet, it's always still
going to be there and it's still going to affect you.
But yeah, I mean you've kind of tackled it head
on and that's probably helped quite considerably.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yeah. No, it definitely does different and you know, just
for being on the show also helps just to get
it out of my system and actually talk about it.
So it definitely does help.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
You need to deal with it absolutely.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
And the good thing is, you know someone out there
is listening to hear you now, and you know they're
going to be confident to then speak about their own experiences.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
Yes, I do have to believe that, Nick, And what
I've seen is, you know, there's so many platforms and
so many things on social media that's being sincered these days,
you know, or just so I believe there's a lot
of people that you know, it's not as easy to
just find people with the same experiences, but shows like
these actually makes it possible. If you have gone through

(24:11):
these experiences, and I know there's a lot of people
obviously listening as well that's gone through these experiences, you
know it's real, but it's almost like they you know,
even if I look at the movies that they make,
it's almost like they're trying to find a way to
laugh it out, to make people feel like they should
be ashamed to talk about this because it doesn't really exist,

(24:32):
but does exist, and people should be talking about this more.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
The good thing is, I mean there is a lot
of information coming out officially, you know, which is even
though it's kind of baby steps, you know, it is
something and it's getting people interested in something which they
probably would have considered it more fringe fringe science.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
But in the beginning, Yes, now there's a lot of
people that's actually waking up at the moment, I think
the world is definitely going to get to a point
where this information is going to be the closed and
they're not going to have a they're not gonna be
able to to just hide it from the public. It's
going to get to a point where they're going to
have to confirm that's what's going on.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
I mean, I'm I'm always very suspicious of any information
which comes out officially, I must admit, because I'm always
of the belief that they only tell you stuff that
they want you to know. So you've you've always got
you've always got to take any information that comes out,
you know, with a pinch of salt, because you really
don't know what their intentions are, especially these days where
you don't where information is power and they you know,

(25:30):
so much as fear based these days.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Unfortunately, no, unfortunately, it is definitely that's wonderful.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
That was nice and easy wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
It was much better than active I was at but Street.
But now now I'm so glad that I've done this.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
I hear that all the time. I don't I don't
get I don't get people on here just to kind
of punch holes in their experiences or anything like that.
You know, it's not this, this shows us not about
that whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
No, is a lot more so many people that's having
these experiences, and I believe it somehow. It's easkne that
hopefully one day we can find out.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
You know.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
I always say that the more people would share these,
you know, their experiences, then you can just maybe just
find a little bit extra piece of the puzzle, you know,
and put it together. But yeah, but people are right there,
and they're right there in their thousands, and I think
that's just the ones that remember. There's plenty of people
which just simply don't remember, whether they want to.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Or not allowed to.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Yes, yes, that's true.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
Did you or any members of your family ever experience
any psychic abilities?

Speaker 2 (26:29):
Well, it's a difficult one to say. I mean, if
you talk about psychic experience, I mean I specifically know
that I've always had a very strong six thing like
I would. I would look at the phone, for instance,
and I would know that it's going to start ringing,
and it starts ringing, so I know that I've got there.
My mom, there is something a bit strange because she

(26:50):
told me she, you know, she would be able to
I wouldn't say control the dreams, but she had realis
with a strange dream type of experiences as well. Never
really mentioned any you know, encounters with other beings. But no,
I don't know. I don't know if any of the
other family members that's had any you know, psychic abilities

(27:11):
or strange experiences.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
What about your children?

Speaker 2 (27:14):
My children, I haven't really had much time talking to
them about this before. I did once play a game
with my daughter. I thought, just for the joke of it,
let me try it, And we played a game where
I saw the unities what color I'm thinking about? And
it was a bit strange that she got a rights
probably about two or three times in a row. That

(27:35):
was the one time, you know. But I think other
than that, I.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
Mean, my mother and door have a very strong bond
in any.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Case, so yes, we definitely do. We've got a very
strong bond. And I remember thinking about how strange it
was because to me it was just you know, jokingly
playing a game. And I don't know if it's just
about coincidence, but she she guessed the color is right
that I was thinking about every single time, which was
a bit strange to me. But suppose we'll never know
what that means.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
I think you could definitely class that as being psychic abilities.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah, I have definitely wondered about it before.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
Interesting. Interesting. I get a lot of a lot of
females on there and their children. They exhibit certain qualities
sometimes in my behavior might be a little bit different
than maybe their other children and stuff.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
Yeah, I think that's definitely a way that you can
pick up I know that those my kids have got.
I would actually say more my daughter. My son is
going through a teenage you know stage at the moment,
so I don't think he's interested in anything else successful
playstationing game, but my daughter is. She seems to be

(28:38):
showing quite a lot of interest for you know, spiritual
other world lead up of interest, you know, especially if
we're watching movies as well. You know, she's always picking
the strange ones. So maybe maybe there is something there,
Maybe there is a connection.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
Yeah, I believe, so very open minded.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
I've got one picture, Nick that I think I can add.
I've got a picture that I, you know, woke up
one morning also again remembering these specific, vivid memories of
things that were happening, and I had some marks on
my own so it's almost like three dots close to
each other. But I, you know, obviously I don't know

(29:20):
where I got those marks from. And I actually took
a picture of it that day. So I've got that
picture that I can give you.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
Oh wonderful. Yeah, Brandy on my last episode, she had
the same same thing and she had pictures of them
all the marks herself and her child and her husband had, So, yeah,
that would be great. And people like to listen to
the show and then maybe compared to what, you know,
the effects that they're getting as well. So it's always
it is always good for reference Goody.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
To share that. Yeah, thanks Nick, I really appreciate it,
and I.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
Really appreciate you coming on today and sharing that for
our listeners.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
Thanks a lot for having me on.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
That's great. You take care, okay, and I'll talk to
you soon. And you enjoyed the rest of what's left
of the evening.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Thanks thanks to you keep Wroud.

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Speaker 1 (31:21):
Hi Nick, Thanks for having great to have you.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
On today calling from Colorado. Yes, excellent. You have some
paranormal experiences to share with us tonight. Would you like
to start the very beginning please?

Speaker 1 (31:33):
Yeah, I would say my family has a history with
paranormal and just the strangeness we They have property, farm
property about fifteen miles away from the city. So do
you have context here? Basically a bunch of farm fields

(31:56):
in a valley in the desert in the western al
right away from town, so no light pollution, a lot
of wild animals, basically next to the forest. When I
was I guess it started when I was a kid.
I would always talk about when I was four years old.

(32:20):
I would tell my mom about the Pleadians and the Venetians,
and I was four years old saying this that I
had a friend and I would go on a ship
and we would go on an adventure. However, I guess
my sister would always tell me that it scared her.
Would tell my mom. She would always she said that

(32:42):
they would scare her because they were always looking in
the window. I don't recall that much, but I do
remember saying those things as a kid. I was kind
of an odd kid. I would I felt like I
was pretty smart for my age. But I never heard
of a four year old talking about Venetians or Leadians,

(33:08):
or where I would even hear those words. I don't
remember the details of those incidents, but I guess my
mom told me. I would talk about it all the time.
It's just something I could recall from memory. It's one
of those things I think about now. It's just like,
did I make it up as a whimsy of a kid,

(33:28):
or is it just something that happened. Why would I
talk about that? That was the earliest moments that I
could recall that odd occurrences. Me and my sister always
shared a room, and she would talk about them. Bring
in the window why. I would tell her that I

(33:50):
would go on these trips to the moon and that
I always had a good time. When I got old.
Can recall this. To have imaginary friend named Michael, and
I would talk about my imaginary friend Michael all the time.
I was hanging out with Michael. We went on Michael's
ship and past this house, and I told when I

(34:12):
was a kid, I told my mom that, hey, that's
where Michael lived. That's where Michael lives. So I would
say it all the time and finally got to the
point where let get ridiculous, so she contacted She stopped
by the house and contacted the people, and he swears
he knew a person named Michael, but Michael died about
ten years ago. Which was really odd because I can't

(34:36):
recall a face or a person. But it was something
I just talked about all the time as a kid,
something repeated almost daily. It's just one of those things
you try to think about, but it sounds so crazy
to think about that. It's almost like you're you want
to tell yourself that it was just a dream, but

(34:59):
there's so many occurrences that everybody telling you what you
said that kind of hard to believe yourself. Almost. That
was about five to six. I would always talk about
that in between then. I can't recall too many incidents
like it wasn't It wasn't just a series of events.

(35:21):
It was just every few years something odd would happen.
So being out here away from the city and being
in the wild, I've heard and seen many animals. The
next odd thing that I can recall as kids, me
and my friends were outside camping besides the river area.

(35:47):
It was we just started a campfire, and my friend
we heard a strange rustling in the bushes, so we
just run in the tent real quick, thought we heard
an animal, and my friend just just his eyes are
completely wide open. He's just staring at me. He's like,
did you hear that? Hear what? It heard? Like a purring,

(36:11):
almost chattery like speaker sound like someone on a walkie talkie,
but also kind of like a like a cougar or
a mountain lion purring. So that was that was all.
We just kind of sit there and like, oh, I

(36:33):
didn't hear anything, What did you hear? What made that sound?
As we're discussing what we possibly heard, what happened before
we go out of the tent, we hear a branch
snap and a giant branch. You hear this cracking, and
you hear it fall. I go out there the next

(36:55):
day to see what happened. And the branch was so
so large that could easily crush my car. Couldn't even
wrap my hands around it, and you could tell from
how it broke. Whatever it was was so heavy that
the weight broke the branch. It wasn't a natural falling

(37:18):
off or breakage, which was really strange. And it kind
of goes with all my family talking about just weird
things being out here, but they never got into detail
as far as seeing things. I haven't seen a physical thing,
just hearing things in the bushes and stuff like that.

(37:41):
About years later, when I was I want to say,
between eight to ten years old, I was sleeping in
my bed. I used to have a mattress on the
floor right by the window, and I would just wake
up naturally on the weekends, and the light would come

(38:01):
in and wake me up. I remember opening my eyes
one morning on a Saturday morning, and I just felt
like there was someone either staring at me or just
so I felt a presence. I didn't feel alone. I

(38:21):
just I think it was early morning. I can't even
I don't even know what time. I just opened my
eyes and there's a four foot gap to my left,
from me to the mattress to the wall and the
window right above it. I look over and I see

(38:42):
the image of an old man laying with his hands
crossed his chest, just staring up with his eyes closed.
The weird part is, the more I try to think
about the face there, it was featureless, as if the

(39:05):
old man had no features of like, no eyebrows, no
discerning It was like a human with no hair, which
was odd because it seemed like he was wearing white.
And the more I try to think about how his
face appeared, there was like a bright white light around

(39:29):
around his head, as if it was as if I
was staring at a spotlight and he was in front
of it. So the more I think about how his
face looked, the more obscure it became. And all that
doesn't make sense. But it was odd because like I

(39:50):
could feel there was a weight on the mattress as well,
but it wasn't enough to compress the mattress, but it
was enough to feel like someone was laying next to me.
And I just remember the whole time I could not move,
I could only look around with my eyes. I no

(40:15):
matter how hard I tried, I could make no sound.
I tried to scream for my brother in the next room,
and I couldn't even produce sound. I don't know if
that's just because I was just waking up in that moment,
but I remember it really frightening me. I just felt awful.

(40:38):
I really scared the hell out of me. I just
clinched my eyes as tight as I could, and it
seemed like an entire minute went by before I felt
like it was gone. And I clinched my eyes super tight,

(40:58):
And I remember this because I did it so much
it hurt. I wanted to make sure it wasn't a dream.
I bit my own lip and I squeezed my eyes
shut as hard as I could to make sure I
wasn't just just woke up early seeing something. But I
just remember the whole time. It was like sleep paralysis.

(41:21):
I know, I heard you talk about that before on
your show. Was it like you felt like your body
was locked, as if you couldn't move at all.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
I couldn't move anything. The anything I could move was
my eyeballs.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Yeah, you so you could look around, and.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
Yeah, I could look around, but my body there was
no function whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Yeah. I could only move my eyelids in my eyeballs.
Which It's such a strange thing because it happened a
few months after my grandpa passed away. So I want
to assume that it was my grandpa because it had
You know, he's an old balding man and he always

(42:04):
wore a white shirt to bed. But I think I
just associated that with him because that's just what I figured.
But the more I even today, the more I try
to think about it, I can just seems like the
light around its head gets brighter. It's like the more

(42:24):
I try to remember it, the fuzzier it becomes. That
was a pretty big event as a kid, and it
was pretty you know. I mean I used to say
all those things, but at that age, I was at
the point where I just didn't really believe much. I
you know, I knew I found out Santa wasn't real
and all that, so it was kind of a doubter

(42:46):
for a long time. There was years after that incident
where nothing occurred. One night, I me and my cousins
and my friends, we would just on summer nights, we
just all get together and meet it my mom's house,
us up the road. We just plan what we're going
to do that night, go out and get into trouble.
We were. They came over to see what meet up

(43:09):
with us, and we were planning on what we're going
to do at my mom's house. I remember it was
a full moon, summer night, not a cloud in the sky,
and if if there was clouds, I mean you could
see them, you know, see their white and gray. But
we were discussing where we were going to go or
what we were going to do, and I remember us

(43:31):
talking about, Hey, I want to do something, Hey, we
should do something scary. We should go see let's go
in the woods or something. Let's, you know, see something
like an old bandoned house. And as we're talking, I
look up, and I'm looking I see the full moon
and it looks like there's a black torn bedsheet just

(43:57):
floating around in the in the a at first, and
I kind of just stop and stare at it because
I didn't think I didn't say anything. I didn't think
I was I thought I was the only one that
was seeing it. I didn't want to say anything. All
I remember is it was just there when I looked up,

(44:18):
but it was it was like a mix between a
shredded pirate flag or it kind of looked like those
dementors from Harry Potter. Have you seen the Harry Potter movies.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
I sure do.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
And I had a guest on I think it was
on the Halloween episode, Catherine, and she saw what she
thought very similar to the dement.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
Because I've han't even heard anyone that's seen this as well.
But yeah, It looked very shredded. It looked like someone
purposely took the scissors and tried to make either a
really just a Halloween decoration, or cutting up a sheet.

(45:01):
I remember it flapping as if there was wind, but
it wasn't a windy night. And the thing about it
that really set me off just staring at it, just
I couldn't stop staring at it. It was fascinating. It
was so black that even you couldn't even see the
light reflecting off the edges of it. I mean, even

(45:24):
in front of the full moon. It had no soft glows.
It was the blackest thing I've ever seen. It was
blacker than the night. It was blacker than you know,
the silhouettes of the trees and the hills in the background.
You've heard a vanta black that produced material.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
Yeah, the blackest black.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
Yes, that's what That's what it reminded me of. Because
you could tell it was a hooded figure. It was
really hard to tell, but it looked as if it
had a cloak. It was looking down in two large
opening hands or claws, and it was just scanning the

(46:06):
field underneath. It was just looking back and forth slowly,
and I was staring at it, and I didn't say
anything for a while. Then all of a sudden and
everyone just like, what is that? What the hell ever?
Just starts freaking out pointing at it. It was so
relieved because I'm glad I'm not the only one that
initially saw it. We weren't scared. We were more more bewildered.

(46:30):
It was like seeing a wild animal you never seen before.
It was you know, you just get that curiosity. We
were really excited. I mean, we ran down the street
to get One of my friends had an old video
camera that was from the nineties, and that's the only

(46:51):
thing we could think of. Ran to his house to
get outside and try to record it all along. It
would keep at the same pace as us while we
were walking down the street. It was just floating above
the trees. At the same time, it was still just
doing its head turn back and forth. It seemed to

(47:15):
either hover. It reminded me of a jellyfish, you know
how they kind of float and their features just hang
and drag behind them. It was very jelly smoke like,
very viscous. It was still black, but it reminded me

(47:36):
of like those CGI videos of smoke and CGI effects
of smokes and liquids, and I just remember seeing the
very thin parts of it that would seem to change,
and even then you couldn't see through the very thin strands.
It made no sound. It didn't seem like there was

(47:58):
even any sound at all. Have you heard of the
os effect. Yeah, yeah, that's pretty much what it was.
There were no crickets, there were no chirping, there's no animals,
there's no wind. It just it felt like we were
in a hangar at large empty room. It was just

(48:20):
very flat. The sound was just flat. When we would talk,
no sound seemed to really carry. And I just remember
thinking about that so much, because this was the early
two thousands. And if I've heard, you know, it could
possibly be a drone. People were playing a prank, you know,
put some I've seen those, you know, where they put

(48:41):
the skeleton or a grim reaper on a drone and
they fly by and scare people. But I just remember
it just it was so quiet. It was it's never
been that quiet out here. I mean, you can hear
the highway. It's just this, you know, this open field
with no no nothing to block the sound. There's no

(49:02):
cities or buildings. It was just the oddest thing, because
it it seemed like it was looking for something. And
we went to record it and with the old camera,
you couldn't make out any feature. It was too black.
It was just the night sky, and it just floated
over this ridge and on this ridge it's a plateau.

(49:24):
It goes for miles of desert and there's just nothing
up there, and it just slowly floated away. And I
remember it going as it As it seemed to disappear
from view, the sound got louder, like the sound filled.
It's like popping your ears in a tunnel or like

(49:45):
a like you're driving on up a mountain or something.
I just remember my all the sound rushing back.

Speaker 3 (49:53):
That's a strange one. Yeah, I mean you can definitely
rule like I mean, you could definitely rule like drones
in any case, absolute specially it's in those days, maybe
ten years ago maybe, and obviously not a scarecrow or
anything like that.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
I think about this one daily because the other I
saw it with four other people, and three of them
are very religious. They're good friends, but they're you know,
they're very religious, and you know, they don't talk about UFOs.
They don't believe in ghosts. And even for them to

(50:29):
be alarmed and considering it. This is the craziest thing,
because it was fascinating. I've never seen or heard anything
that has ever wow. I mean, I don't explain it.
It's like you knew it was alive, like you could
feel like it was alive. But it was just it

(50:49):
was so interesting. I just couldn't take my eyes off
it the whole time. I mean, I have never seen
or heard anything or even heard anything about that before.

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Speaker 3 (51:42):
What kind of size would you have said?

Speaker 1 (51:44):
Said? It was, Oh, it was large. It either seemed
to have a really wide open cloak, or it's just
its whole mass which seemed to change costly. I would
say it was the size of a small car, size
of a bed, yeah, like a small sedan. If it
was a man, I mean, if it was a hooded man,

(52:06):
it was large. I mean it would have been at
least eight or nine feet tall. I want to say
it was like eight feet long at least. I mean,
it was hard to tell the movements.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
It wasn't a rattic no.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Very very angelic, very floaty, very jellyfish, elegant, very smooth,
just kind of drifted. It didn't even like it didn't
seem like it was doing anything to It didn't seem
like wind or anything was affecting it. It was just
going by. It was just like something floating in the

(52:43):
water and just gently floating by. But the whole time,
its body was constantly you know, morphing into smoke, and
it was just constantly shifting. I really can't explain it.
It I want to say pulsating. It just reminded me
of a jellyfish, sluggish creature. It was very viscous, if

(53:07):
I were to describe it.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
That's very strange. You and your friends did say you
wanted to go out and get scared.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
Yes, that's so. I've had a theory on this. I've
heard of Tulpa's and I don't know. I don't know
if I believe in. I mean, I don't know what
to believe in, but I don't know. I didn't think
people that didn't believe. I mean, how much thought power
would you have to put into something like that.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
It's quite possible that, you know. I mean a lot
of people go out searching for stuff.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Yeah, that's exactly what we were doing, and that's when
we saw it.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
Really really wanted to get scared and you saw something.
Then there's other people which go out to graveyards and
and nothing, nothing happens.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Yeah, that one really sticks with me, I mean more
than seeing the ghost, because it's this just flies the
laws of physics. I know ghosts and UFO is Maney
as well, but I mean that just that's reality breaking.
How does it get so silent and reflect no light
at all? I mean it literally looked like black hole

(54:08):
or something.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
There's a lot of crazy stuff out there. Yeah, you know,
if there's such things as ghosts and UFOs, you know
there's there's going to be ever stuff in between. Yeah,
all kinds of people have seen so many unusual things, so.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
That one I would probably pair closest to is an
elemental just from what I've read and heard. I mean,
that's the closest thing that I could pin it to
because I've seen, you know, I've seen the gin or
the black elementals. I've heard stories about that. But yeah,
it just seems like being far from the city with

(54:45):
no light pollution and just being in the wild things
out here, I've seen and heard things. It just doesn't
make any sense. And I do know that there is
a National Guard Army National Guard base that's on the
base of this mountain in this desert area, a few

(55:05):
miles away from this area, but in between here and
the next city, there's a base like hidden over by
the mountain, and I've seen I've seen jets flying around
with spotlights which I've never seen before. I've seen there.
I've seen government drones that are really advanced, about the

(55:28):
size of cars. You could see him testing them out here.
As far as seeing lights and stuff in my backyard,
I have no light pollution, and I have the mountain there,
and constantly you'll see just tiny lights that zigzag, you know,
nothing too spectacular. But I mean, obviously satellites and planes

(55:50):
don't fly in a z formation. One time, me and
a friend were much older. We were helping my friend
back to her car out here. We were getting in
the passenger seat, and we were walking through the field
and a bright blue flash, like a lightning flash, lights

(56:13):
up the whole area briefly and you look up and
you just see it looked like a comment, just with
like a tail. It was bluish bright green, and it
was it was either it was kind of roundish, but
it was more discus, but you could see it breaking
the atmosphere. But it reminded me of the rory of Borealis,

(56:37):
just the blue and green, and it briefly flashed by,
and I remember looking at my friend and just asking him, like, yo,
is that a comment? And there was no news, No
one out there reported seeing it. It wasn't reported it
on the Astronomy Report anything like that. There's been lots

(56:59):
of random meteorites and comments that you just it's strange
that I feel like that's something that would be mentioned
or I guess if it's just so common people don't
talk about it, would a comment or meteorite be newsworthy
or is.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
That just it depends with the media, right, I mean,
if it's picked up on say like a dash cam
or a weather video or something it's been reported, then maybe,
but if you're quite remote, you know, you are relatively
remote on you. Yeah, I did see a meteorite the
other about a month ago now, and it was bright
white and blue, beautiful. It was very quick. But again

(57:37):
I didn't hear I'm quite heavily populated area, and I
didn't hear anything on the news about that.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
Right. Yeah, it's just hard to because these stories aren't constant.
But it just seems like being out here, away from
the whole city and being in a valley, you just
hear and see strange things out here. I mean I
tell friends people all the time, I see lights that

(58:03):
zigzag and that's all it is. I mean, there's nothing
more to it. It's as close as I got. But
it's like it's it just doesn't it's not news to
me or I don't care because I feel like it's
never gonna be more than that answer. I just see
things that don't do what planes do.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
Don't do what planes do, don't do what satellites do.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
Our technology can't do it. That's all I know. I
don't have a picture for you know, I don't I
don't have the answers, and everyone's so quick to deny
it because there's just no it's not in their lap,
there's no proof that's just sitting right in front of them.
It's just amazes me that there's hundreds and thousands of

(58:44):
videos and stories of people talking about this, but it's
always thrown under the rug, or it's dismissed as hearsay
or you know.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
I mean, I've seen those zig zaggers and they've got
a line path and they direction. You know, nothing does
that's man made as nothing does that? Which is anything celestial?
You know, anything travel in the distance. They don't do that.
You know, what you're seeing is something anonymous.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
You know.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
It's very strange, you know, and you're very fortunate where
you live. You know, you've got great clean air. You
gotta surrounded by countryside.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
Yeah. No, no light pollution at all, No light pollution.
I can see the milky Way, that's how that's how
much there's no light pollution. It's great. It gets a
little gets a little scary sometimes because I try to
think about I've read John Keel, I've listened to those podcasts,
and I do believe that if you try looking for it,

(59:42):
it will find you. You know, the more you try
to dive into it. I feel like the more things
happen to you like that, does that make sense, Like,
the more you're trying to discover it, just odd things happen. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
Absolutely, I call it the power normal bubble. Yeah, when
you kind of get involved in this stuff, strange things,
strange things happen. You know, you have strange meetings with people,
you have synchronicities and coincidences and.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Oh that's another thing I wanted to discuss. Yeah, just
trying to talk to you on this podcast. I'm not
gonna lie. I just before calling you, I had all
kinds of issues come up, which is which is odd
because today, you know, earlier today I was ready to
go home and everything was good. But synchronicities, I had

(01:00:34):
a few that really really just and it doesn't happen always.
It seems like the more I think about it, the
more I notice. But I've just been so busy lately
that I haven't really noticed. But I noticed it's always
with the radio or it's with TV that it's related to.

(01:00:57):
So one night I was just watching YouTube. When I
watched these streamers, I just have it on the background.
They were playing some kind of pictionary game where you
have to draw and guess it and guess the word
or something like that. And I remember I just had
in the back I wasn't paying attention, and my cat

(01:01:19):
brings out. My cat found a baby mouse fetus, which
was pretty alarming. I've never seen that. Just drops it
off right by my feet and it's still alive. And
I just looked down like, oh my gosh. And I
look up with the TV. At the same time that

(01:01:39):
my cat dropped that off. They were playing this game
and they had this weird picture and it said stomach
mouse and it was a picture of a little baby
mouse in a stomach. That really freaked me out. I mean, yeah,
that really, I mean that made me jump a little bit.

(01:02:02):
I was like looking around. Yeah, just thinking about it
right now is just kind of gives me the hebgbis.
I It was just so odd, such an odd thing.
And that's been that's kind of been happening on and off.
I mean not lately. I've just been so busy keeping
myself busy at work and things like that. But another

(01:02:22):
time at my job, I remember working on this thing
and it had a little metal bracket that was like
an L shape, and I remember losing it on this
part and I couldn't find it. I was just thinking
about it all day, like I wonder where that went.
And I come home and I have a pellet stove
and it has a little wood chips. They just go

(01:02:44):
down and you just close the lid and it just
kind of automatic. I remember the pellet stove turned off
and it seemed like something was jammed inside. So I
had to take out all the pellets and I removed
the thing and it was an L shaped bracket exactly

(01:03:04):
the same size and shape as the one at my job.
It was part of the fireplace. It was a piece
from the handle on the lid, but it was the
same shape.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
Usual.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
Yeah, I keep having There's a lot of the days
I'll hear the same song on the radio play is
when I go to work as when I leave. And
it doesn't matter what time of day, like I'll work
nine hours on what gate hours. It just odd times
it's always the same song. And I don't know if
that's just a radio station thing and it's just things

(01:03:38):
like that. It's just really weird of something I'm doing
and there'll be a song about it. Or it's something
I see on TVs related to what I'm doing. You've
seen the how YouTube they just start having ads and
videos that are related to something you were discussing with someone. Yeah,

(01:03:58):
I know, I know it's some of that, but it's
to the point where like it almost seems it's a game.
They know that I know, and they know everything that
I'm doing.

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
Yeah, I've been I've been there.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
I had a guest on several months ago and he
was he was a photographer and he would do photoshoots
with famous people and stuff, and we were talking about
I think I think it was after the show, we
were actually talking about this. So I was talking to
him on Skype like we're doing now, and we were
talking about he had done some work with Sting. You

(01:04:31):
know that the artist Sting.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
Yeah, And the very next.

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
Day, all I had on Facebook was Police albums Sting albums,
And they're not connected that. The computer on on now
was not connected to where my Facebook was on the phone.
It's very strange.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
Wow, it just makes me wonder how it seems like
everything somehow is related. I just always have this feeling
that I don't know, it's it's almost like we're connected
somehow through our action. Does that make sense?

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
I do know what you're saying. You know, all these
all these weird coincidence that you experience, and you know
it's the same for a lot of people, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
Yeah, I'm not sure about It's just funny how being
an American, being the United States, just our history, We've
we conquer things, you know, this is what the Americans
do everything everywhere they've ever been, you know, like Iraq, Afghanistan,
they've took over in some way. And it just doesn't

(01:05:29):
seem like the American thing to just go up on
the Moon and just put a flag up there, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
Oh see you saying that you think there's more up there?

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
Yes, because the odds of the Moon and the fact
that no matter what point of the Earth, you can
never see the other side of it. It's just always
been something I've thought about. It's just I mean, any
other planet and other other moon we can see. We
can see Venus, we can see Jupiter, we can see Pluto,
but we can't even and see the other side of

(01:06:01):
the Moon. Yeah, it's very clear.

Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
It's very convenient how everything is timed, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
Yeah, convenient for sure, that's the word I would definitely use.
That's just odd. Odd that we just went up there
and now we're not going back, and then all of
a sudden we were talking about building the Moon base,
aka the mission to Mars, and then starts the Space
Force at the same time.

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
Yeah, there's there's a lot of things going in motion
at the minute. Yeah, some things I think are going
to be good. Some things, like I think it's conn
be bad. But we definitely are being kind of herded
in a particular direction, you know. Yeah, there's there's no,
there's no it's not a coincidence that all these things
are coming out and happening together.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
No. I was just talking to my friend about like,
I don't know why no one believes me. You you
can look it up on your phone. No one can
see the other side of the moon. It's not you know,
just think about that. We can see everything else, but
we've never seen the other side of the mood. That
doesn't that's not interesting to you. And then as soon
as I mentioned that, I saw that article about the
monolith up there. It's just odd.

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
I know, someone did ask me the other day about it.
What I reckon it was, and I did say, well,
you know, when the astronauts went there in set I
think seventy one seventy two, Glenn actually paid golf up there,
and I did say, maybe it's his golf cut.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
Oh yeah, you think about that. I did see it
also an article before that one with the Chinese rover.
Might want to look this up as well. But I mean,
I don't know. It could just be some kind of chemical,
but I guess they found some kind of substance or
a gel like substance on the far side of the Moon.

(01:07:41):
Just odd.

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
I mean, whatever we're being told, I know it's only
going to be about ten percent of what.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
Was actually Absolutely the thing is and I think that
I believe Terry Lovelace one hundred percent. I think there
is something a base up there, and the fact I
just don't think people can handle the truth. I mean,
if you found out people are just living there, they

(01:08:10):
just live, they don't have to work, and they can
just travel to planet the planet just discovering things, you
as a human species would be upset that you don't
have the same thing that they do.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
Yeah, I'll be I'll be annoyed. I wondn't be surprised.
I'll be more annoyed.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Yeah, why can't we go to your planet? Why can't
we go in your ship? Exactly? And people would be
upset about that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:30):
Yeah, I do kind of think that the information that's
all coming out at the minute is being drip fed,
and I think they're going to go with the kind
of defense approach. So over the many, many decades, there's
always been a there's always been a fear, and that's
kind of what yeah, keeps the keeps the train going
is pure fear, whether it was a NATZ is always

(01:08:50):
communism and then terrorism, So there's always a fear. So
it's very possible that they could use these UFOs, these
objects are being seen and that they have no control
over as being a negative thing. That's the direction which
I'm kind of thinking they're going to go down if
they do say they are a danger, and it's very possible.
You know, there's going to be the same as anything.
It's going to be good and it's going to be bad.

(01:09:12):
But I do but you know, I do think that
if they did want to cause us any harm, then
they would have done it before.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
Absolutely. I've heard stories where there's the mantis type species
where they think they're you know, evil of some sort.

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
There's yeah, there's a couple of chains of thought when
it comes to that. A lot of the the cases
which I've been kind of evolved in it, they've always
been kind of positive.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
And it's always about love and peace.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
Sometimes yeah, sometimes I just I just.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
Really relate to Terry because I know he talks about
seeing them as monkeys in his head as a kid,
and as a kid, I thought they were just a
bunch of little friends, which was odd to me. And
I think this is my theory. I think people, if
not everyone, was abducted at some point. I don't know

(01:10:05):
why or what the purpose is, but we're just I
feel like we're just being watched. We're like a space
We're like a space reality show, you know, because humans
are interesting. I think I feel like humans just are
interesting to watch. And I started to think too, we

(01:10:26):
became such a consumer planet. We went from like hunters
and gatherers to making stuff we don't even really need,
like with technology, just like oh I'm going to buy
the new thing. You don't absolutely have to have it
to live. But I almost have this theory as if
Earth is just we're like a factory planet. We make

(01:10:49):
the goods for just people to have things, just unique things.
And we've never used to be like that as a society.
We used to be more culturally arming based society, and
we went from that to just making stuff. You know,
I work out a place, I make stuff to sell
to someone else who makes stuff that I buy somewhere else.

(01:11:11):
I just really thought about that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
Yeah, it's like we've lost our dependency, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
Yeah, it's like we're I don't want to say the
word slaves, but it's like almost that's what humans are.
That's our purpose. We just make stuff. We're just builders.
It's what we do. Everyone's trying to find this huge
meaning in life. I think that's it. That is our
purpose as a spiritual level. No, but overall, yes.

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
I've always hated the idea of being born and just
working for the rest of your life and that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
Yeah, me too, And I think that's the problem is
as people, we know we used to be. You just
farm for a few hours that day and that was
your life, right. It may be a hard life, but
it was all you just doing what you needed to do,
not excessively working, you know, for hours and on end.

(01:12:06):
We just did what we had to do to survive.
We didn't go above and beyond. There's no overtime, you know,
that wasn't a thing. I just like, even since childhood,
at school, they train you to be in a line,
they train you to take commands and orders, you know,
and I was in the military. That's the thing too.
But it just if you look at like the nineteen

(01:12:27):
hundreds compared to today, like they just grew up as
kids and they just did their thing. But now we
have to go you have to be in school so
many years that you go straight to work, and it
just seems like it's more and more now to the
point where it's just people of some have come so
accustomed to it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:43):
I always feel as well that that everything we're kind
of told is a lie. You know, things about absolutely
the history, and you know, they do always say it's
it's the victors that write the history. Yeah, it seems
like a big, big library of information, and most of
it is missing, most of the most of the.

Speaker 1 (01:12:59):
Books, like the Library of Alexandria, you know what was
in there exactly. It's just strange how it just makes
me wonder, like people are so prone to be religious,
but if you mentioned UFOs just in public, people think,
you know, you're a bit nutty. But it's been drilled

(01:13:21):
into our heads that if you even mention it, you
think they're weirdo. Even as kids, you'd pick on the
kid that would say that. And like it's been programmed
from birth that people are just shunned and for talking
about this stuff. But if you say religion or anything,
no one even you know, thinks about it. It's just, oh, yeah,

(01:13:44):
there's a god. Just when it comes to religion, just
the stories in the Bible, you can relate anything to well,
I mean, geez, I mean an alien that could have
been an alien that you're talking about. If you hear
the accurate description of angels in the Bible, it's horrifying.

Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
It's yeah, they are they are strange. They're all eyes,
fourteen eyes.

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
Yeah, it's like a wheeling machine of fire. It's not yeah,
it's not something you would it's like has one hundred dogheads.

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
It's they are very angelic.

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
No, not at all. And I think that people just
associate what we know. I mean, if you look at
old pictures of hippopotamus before it was recorded in books.
It looks like a dragon or something. It just makes
you wonder, you know. We were so like, oh, that's
crazy talk. Oh I've never heard of that, and then
you see it, You're like, Oh, that's the real thing.

(01:14:38):
And it's that simple for people. It's just a Oh,
I have to see it for myself.

Speaker 3 (01:14:42):
It's a strange world we live in.

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
Yeah. I almost wonder if this is like a test
to see if you can figure it out yourself. Each
person has to figure it out for themselves, and then
you can either be lift out of this existence or
just live your life. And then something comes after, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
And then I look around at people and how they
behave and things they go on about and act and stuff,
and I think we've we've got no hope. We've got
no hope whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
No. I mean, I don't think anyone on this planet,
no matter how good they think they are, I don't
think there are truly good human beings. We just that's
what we do, you know, Like if we go to
the woods and chop trees down, I mean humans are
destructive species. Yeah, that's just what we do. And no

(01:15:38):
matter what that's just you know, that's a human behavior.
I think that's the thing is just well, we're never
going to get the answer because there's always gonna be
those people. And the few people that have seen or
heard things, they were optimistic enough to let it happened.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
Yeah, I think it's Yeah, I think it's important to
open yourself up to these experiences.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
I think that's the thing is people they get scared
because they don't understand it. And yeah, I was scared
during those events, but now that I think about it,
to me, it's fascinating.

Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
Yeah, things can get very frightened, especially if you don't
spend more so, if you don't understand something or what
you're seeing. But yeah, I agree with you know, this
fascinating and it's it's exciting to know that there's things
out there that are different, you know, abnormal than what
you know, what we live day by day.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
Yeah. I just I wish more people talked about it
like you did, and had people talk about it, because
the thing about humans is why would people be so
specific about the things they saw? You know, it's if
I were to embellish something, I feel like I would

(01:16:58):
try to, you know, make a really cool story.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
But yeah, but it's just not the just not the way,
you know. I mean, I've I know people which have
embellished stories and made stuff up and have been caught
out later on. You know, I'm not talking about the
guests on the show. I've had guessed on the show,
which which is, like you said, very specific details.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
Yeah, it's like why humans have really good memories, you
know well. And the thing is too is though no
matter how hard you think about it, you want an answer.
You're never satisfied because there is no answer to this stuff.
At least you'll never get it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:31):
I mean, there's there's definitely answers out there, but I
do think the searching is the is the fun. But yes, yeah,
especially if the answer that you you eventually do get
is not the answer that you want to hear.

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
And I think that's mostly the case is Oh I oh,
if you have aliens are real, then show me this. Like,
I'm not going to tell you something you want to hear.
It's not You're never gonna Oh, well, maybe the government's
controlling us and there's aliens. Oh that's not true. Oh
you just say that because it's doesn't sound like a
good thing. That's not what you wanted to hear. But

(01:18:04):
that's just what it is. I don't that's what I think.

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
My favorite one is, well, you know, if his alien's
out there, why don't they just land on the White House?

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
Law? And you know they're not in the White House,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:18:15):
I think if they were going to pick a place,
it's sure as hell wouldn't be the White House.

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
Yeah. Absolutely, they'll shoot at you. They'll shoot at you
if you got your ship. Just you hear any stories
of old UFOs and anything. The Travis Walton they all
tried to grab a weapon. That was the first reaction
of every single person grab a shotgun. I mean, oh,
why don't they want to talk to us? I wonder,

(01:18:40):
I wonder why.

Speaker 3 (01:18:43):
In the second episode, I did I did this this
lady and she was telling me this this story with
her father who said he would have these experiences, and
he was the same. He went for a shotgun. They
apparently shot you was shot at them. So and he's
not the first one. You know, I've had several guests
which been involved in those in a sort of certain behavior.

(01:19:03):
And I did speak to a guy up in Canada. No,
he wasn't a guest on the show. I just just
speak to him, and he's a biker, and he would
say he would him and his mates, and you know,
they would go out at night and they'd see these
lights flying around and they'd be shooting at him, drinking
beer and shooting at them.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
Geez. It's and that's exactly why it's it's never going
to happen. It's just my theory is I think that
it happened as kids because that's when we're the most
innocent as humans. Maybe yet we were abducted as kids
because you're not going to hurt anyone. You don't know

(01:19:40):
what's good or evil at four years old. No, no, no,
you don't.

Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
And it's it's really common, really common among my guests
that something happens in their you know, in their childhood.
And I guarantee it just about every one of them.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
Yeah, it's always very young age. The thing is, I've
never been hypnotized or anything, but I don't know if
I have enough evidence or memories to even do that.
I don't even know if that's possible because I can't
remember saying all those things. I'm thirty two now, you know,

(01:20:14):
those years ago. I just don't know how that worked again.

Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
It's very pacific. Those those terms are very pacific. That's
not something you wouldn't hear on the television. You know,
You've you kind of got to have to kind of
dabble in this subject to really get those particular words.

Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
You know. I've always had this feeling like I kind
of got dropped off. It's a weird feeling, but I
feel like I'm left out, Like I'm almost upset that
I'm like, why, why do you stop? If I was
doing that as a kid, why did it stop?

Speaker 3 (01:20:48):
Or maybe it didn't stop.

Speaker 1 (01:20:49):
Yeah, that's another thing I don't know.

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Speaker 3 (01:21:34):
Because I get approached by people which just say they
will have an experience in their twenties or thirties, and
then they say, that's it, that's what happened, right, But
then certain things would come up. They start talking about
the parent, what its parents would talk about and stuff.
So you have it, you have then you have like
more than one family member which you've had these experiences.
So it's quite often the case that this individual has

(01:21:55):
probably had experiences through the whole life, but.

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
Most lately is just those secret of these. It's just strange.
You know, there's times in the past where I've had
deja vu, and that's just the weirdest thing, because it's
like deja Voo's normal for most people. And I've heard
I've read that it's if you have a monotonous day,
kind of do the same thing every day, that's when

(01:22:19):
it starts to happen. You know, it's kind of predictable
at that point. But when I used to get it,
I get just very sick. I don't know if you've
had similar experiences, but just dejah vu, I just want
to throw up. Yeah, and they've always been very accurate.
I mean. The strangest one. I had an ex girlfriend.

(01:22:40):
I knew we were fighting, things were bad, and I
had a dream that I was looking, I knew the
pastor to her phone. I mean, that should have been
a bad sign, but I I in the dream, I
knew the pastor of your phone. I opened it and
I saw that she was talking to someone else. And
I wake up that morning and I use that same password.

(01:23:01):
It was the password that exactly happened. But then again,
it's it's one of those things, you know, maybe I'm
just it's in my head, just being with it all
the time. You're doing the same thing every day. But
I've never felt empathic. I've just always felt different in

(01:23:22):
some way. And I could just be from the experiences
I've had, but I don't know. I've I've always felt different.
I've always been the odd one. I hope that wasn't
too crazy. I really didn't know how to where to start.

Speaker 3 (01:23:36):
But did you ever talk to your friends about that?
By what you saw.

Speaker 1 (01:23:40):
I still have a friend that's a really good friend
and we still talk about it, and he's still religious.
And one of the friends that was religious, he believes
he really thought in the Bible they're talking about the
Angel of Death with the lamb's blood on the door.
I didn't really think that, but that was pretty interesting.

(01:24:03):
Point of view, it was very grim, reaper like though.
Definitely it just reminded me of the Dementor or the Disturbed.
The band there, they're like logo dude, Yeah, I know, yeah,
a shadow dude or whatever it is.

Speaker 3 (01:24:23):
So if there's any listeners out there which have seen
something very similar to what Tony has experienced, get in contact.

Speaker 1 (01:24:30):
Yes, absolutely, what episode and you said there was a
woman who's seen something similar.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
Yes, that was Catherine. That was on the Halloween episode.
So that was one hundred and thirty six through six. Okay,
you had the Halloween special.

Speaker 1 (01:24:48):
I will listen to that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:50):
Yeah, that's Catherine. I'm not sure. I think I've got
four or five on that. On that episode, it was
just something that flew over flew over the car. It
was very it was very very brief.

Speaker 1 (01:25:00):
But that's great.

Speaker 3 (01:25:00):
Yeah, that's the first thing she said, Demntor.

Speaker 1 (01:25:04):
Well, that's the first thing I've heard of anyone say
anything even closely related.

Speaker 3 (01:25:10):
I mean, one thing always happens on this show, though.
When I have an episode about particular subjects or something
that's happened to the guest, and any similarities that people have,
they will then reach out there some emails. So that's
exactly what happened to me. Okay, Time and time again,
I'll put an episode out and I'll get a hundred
emails about, you know, about particular subject. But it just

(01:25:31):
go to show how common he's experience actually are. Thanks
for coming on, man, it's been great talking to you, Tony.

Speaker 1 (01:25:35):
All right, it has been great.

Speaker 3 (01:25:37):
Take care of yourself, all right, all right, you too, Okay,
cheers Tony.

Speaker 1 (01:25:40):
Goodbye.

Speaker 3 (01:25:41):
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(01:26:03):
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