Ep.157 A Visit To The Valleys / Don’t Be Afraid (Throwback)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You'll be away five seventeen. Do you want to report
a ufoging in?

Speaker 2 (00:05):
We don't want to report every thirty one?

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Do you wish to report a UFO over hey, we
want to one of those data.

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Areas thirty one.

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Do you wish to find a report of any kind
of it?

Speaker 3 (00:18):
I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Time areas thirty one?

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Me neither there. See if it was anybody above us
to pass us, Like thirty seconds ago, we were sending
one top of golf negative, okay, OFFI the UFO. Yeah,
it's murder two nine o'clock. Yes, I'll just passed over.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
God.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
I don't know what it was, but it's from at
least to three thousand feet above us. See, I passed
right over.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
The top of US.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Ninety one one.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
You just called both to be before they're after staying
the airplanes.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
He is swear to God more calm on an unidentified
object every liberty four call or calm on an unidentified
flying object.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share
their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had
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Hello and welcome to the show. Everybody. How are you all.
I'm Nick Hunter and you're listening to the UFO Chronicles podcast.
This episode, we stay within the United Kingdom. First, we
meet Gareth in South Wales and Gareth's strange encounter occurred
in the Welsh Valleys in nineteen eighty one when himself
and a couple of friends witnessed a bright, blinding light

(02:11):
and a figure upon a ridge. Then we head over
the Welsh border to Paul in Cambridgeshire, and Paul will
be sharing UFO encounters that began in nineteen seventy eight
when he witnessed a cigar shaped object and several other
sightings he experienced up until present day. Paul has also
had a few interesting paranormal events happen in his life,

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the show to continue running. Now on with the show, Hello, Garret,

(04:02):
welcome to this podcast.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Hi Nick, how are you?

Speaker 4 (04:05):
I'm great? Thank you, Thank you for coming on and
joining us this evening.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
No, it's a pleasure, pleasure to come and chat.

Speaker 4 (04:11):
And you're calling from South Wales in the United Kingdom.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah, that's correct, now, Gareth, you're going to.

Speaker 4 (04:16):
Be sharing an experience you had in the valleys at
the age of twelve. Would you like to start there
for us please?

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yeah? Sure, So, yeah, I was around twelve years old,
so I'm early fifties now. I think there was around
nineteen eighty one, so some time ago. And as you said,
it's in the South Wales Valleys area, which if people
don't know, is we'll see an industrial coal and steel
area as was a lot of that has sort of
gone away now, but a bit like sort of coal

(04:43):
and steel areas of Pennsylvania. I guess people know that
a bit more, but at this time so the industry
was still up and running and very heavily going and
jog free wise. As you said, valleys, it's a series
of steep valleys in this coal field with small towns
all in between the coal mines and the still works,
et cetera. So at that time I was brought up

(05:04):
in that area, and my grandparents lived lived in one
of these towns, so quite often i'd stay with them
and my father's younger brother, so my uncle, but he
was much older than me. He was around when I
was twelve. He's probably seventeen eighteen and his friend around
his age. We used to sort of hang around a bit,
and we'd go out and play and hang around, kick

(05:25):
up all around, but off the main sort of valley area,
if you like, you'd have some sort of small green valleys,
no industry. It's a little offshoots if you like. We
used to like to explore those and hang around the
woods and play as kids do. So this particular evening,
and I recall it was cold, a really cold and
clear night and starry night, I think sort of end

(05:46):
of November, early December. It was early evening time, probably
end now six seven, and we went for a walk
around and walk up through some woods, and just to
sort of so those listeners can sort of picture it,
we were on a steep hillside, walking parallel to the
ridge of the hill. So to our left was a
ridge about one hundred yards up and following along the

(06:10):
line of it, and below us, probably two three hundred
yards was the bottom of this little valley, and to
our right was a wooded area. To our left was
open hillside. So as we walked along parallel to the
wood to our right, the open hillside was running to
our left, and we could see the ridge of the hill,
and I can recall as we're walking along, all of

(06:30):
a sudden, to our left on the ridge line, there
was this intense, intense white and bluish light, and I
would say, as we're looking up, it just completely lit
up the ridge of the hill up above us, and
widthwise I would say size probably one hundred yards wide,
just this immense white light shining up from the ground

(06:53):
up into the sky well like a bluish tinge. And
we couldn't see where this emanated from, but it lit
the ridge which was obviously coming up sort of a
black line across it. We all just stopped and sort
of froze and looked at it a we call and
as we were looking I'm not sure how long this
was going for a few seconds. At this point there

(07:14):
was strange clankin sort of metallic noises, like an odd
whirring sound, just really odd noises, like I remember getting
quite scared and just transfix by it. And as I
looked up, all of a sudden, I could see sort
of dark figure appear on the ridge line. I would
describe this figure looking like a large built man I

(07:34):
would say six seven feet on guessing, sort of quite
a big sort of athletic build if you like. But
the outline against this intense light was difficult to describe,
almost like if he was wearing something. It wasn't like
an ordinary jacket of jeans being silhouetted. It looked like
quite sharp lines. And the best way I think I
chatted to you previously was to describe was if you

(07:56):
imagine somebody in sort of scuba gear or wet suit
with all the tank and all the bits and bobs,
just it looks clean cut as that. So as I
was looking up and we were just stood there, this
figure started to walk off the ridge, just down towards
a little bit, and in the center of it, of
the head of its its head, it was an intense
white beam coming out I guess, almost like if you

(08:19):
imagine a head torch as you get these days for
walking or outdoor stuff, but it was much more intense
and much bigger. So just this very bright, large white
light emmine it now, almost like a torch light. Again,
I can recall just being scared, stiff, and just transfixed
by it. Then I recall the hillside started to shake

(08:40):
and vibrate. This noise was still going and then to
the open area up ahead of us. We were all
sort of sheep fields, if you like, so a little
mountain farmers let sheep graves on there. And they were
all dry stone wall separate in the fields. And some
of the stone from these walls suddenly started to roll

(09:02):
down and be dislodged, I think for the dibration, and
that seemed to I think, spark us into some sort
of movement to the three of us just recalled, just
looked at each other and just ran and ran as
fast as we could down to the woods to our
right and kept running and kept running. We're probably about
fifteen to twenty minutes from where my grandparents lived where

(09:23):
Recall just ran and ran straight back to the house
and sort of flew it in through their back door,
skid stiff about what happened. I didn't look back after running.
I just kept going. Time wise, I guess perhaps the
incident was a few minutes long. And I say it
sort of forty years ago. Now it's a long time,
but it's been etched on my memory ever since. Really

(09:46):
no idea while I was looking at what I was seeing.
I've tried to sort of think it through logically about
what it isn't, And I guess there's no industry of
those industrial area. There's no industry at all in that
little valley or on top of the beyond it, beyond
the ridge, and there's no police, military, any sort of
activity that that goes on up there or did at

(10:08):
any time. So I've got no logical to l answer
as to why that would occur or what it was.
And thinking about anybody playing a hoax, I guess why
would they would they expect to be up there because
nobody used to really hang around the props, and that's
on occasion, so it'd be a bit of an elaborate
thing to do with the chances of seeing somebody with
pre remote. It was just a very strange accounts Nick.

(10:30):
And the apart from Club Standley, is the first time
I've really shared it. It's always been etched on my memory.
I say, it's a long time ago. And I guess
if I was being cynergal like somebody asked me. Now,
I think whether you were a kid, you know your
memories playing tricks, but it's fear as day in my mind,
and dosing dead really changed with that memory over all
this time, you.

Speaker 4 (10:48):
Know, completely etched in there.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah. Yeah, it's such a strange thing, and I can
almost envisige myself back there as I recall it to you.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
Now, when you got down to your grandparents' HOUSEE did
you tell them?

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Yeah? I did. It was also a sort of comical
scene at that point, because I remember coming flying to
the back door like I'd been running like one hundred
miles an hour, and they used to sit quite quietly
in their back room, you know, listening to the radio
quite so I flew in. I think they jumped out
with their skins, and I remember I was jabbering on
to the nineteen a dozen. I do recall sketching out

(11:20):
doing a drawing of what I saw what became about.
I never know it was but a childlike drawing, but
I remember trying to tell them and they were just
sort of, you know, just shrugged it off, and you know,
kids being kids or whatever. But it was such a
such an odd experience has always stuck with me.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
Do you remember raftly when it when it was in
nineteen eighty one.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
Yeah, I think I always remember. I think end of November,
early December, and I remember it was a really clear,
starry night and the moon was quite bright. I say
this because where we walked was there's no street lights.
Obviously we'd walked up this of remote valley from the
town and so I remember we used to do that
and we used to see be able to see because
it was you know, lit up with the moon enough

(11:59):
to sort of walk up a path. So it's a
bit of a dirt path if you like, before the
open ground until the woods tour right, there was a
parallel to the length of the valley.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
I mean during those nineteen nineteen eighty nineteen eighty one,
you know, there was a lot of stuff going on,
you know, you know we had Alan Godfrey up north,
he was in nineteen eighty and then he had Rendersham,
which is just a matter of weeks, yeah, weeks later.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
Yeah, it was that for the time.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
And you know, so it's of course South Wales, Wales
in general. You know, there's always been a hot spot
for UFO encounters.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yeah, and it's I definitely record it being that time,
and I know, just taking an interest in the topic.
You know, in more recent times it's been reported from
the area, you know, up until today really oh.

Speaker 4 (12:42):
Yeah, ongoing, it is ongoing.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
It's just odd isn't it. It's never built. I can
see it now clear as day, this intense light in
this sort of figure. And you know, there's no rational
explanation if you like, as I said, there's no activity
up there. There's no industry in that bit. There's no
there's no army base or anything like that. It could
be doing anything in the night.

Speaker 4 (13:01):
I mean, like you said, you know, there no industry,
nobody working up there, so you can kind of just
scout like a you know, like a farmer up there
or anyone, you know, with his head lights beaming and
him coming out, so you can kind of scout all
things like that.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah, because one of the things he said about my grandparents,
they sort of said, because you get a lot those
of off road scrambler bikes, you know, kids, especially earlier
he's were big into the sort of Japanese bikes when
they know, and it was a big thing. And they said,
I was probably kids a motorbike that this wasn't that
you know, I know was und of a motorbike and
did them and you know you'd have the sort of
if she had a headlight sort of flashing around. But
this was immense and you know, also what what shook

(13:38):
us into running was actually the mountain shaking. I recall,
you know the dry stone walls sort of get those
sort of thin stones, sort of about eighteen inches long
and two inches thick. There's loads of those coming roll
in endble n down past us, and I seemed to
shake us. Wake up and he's running.

Speaker 4 (13:54):
Yeah, that would do it.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah, And there's people what is this lodging all of
those and creating a massive light and I was walking
around the massive head torture. Just none of it makes
any sense, you know, it doesn't.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
But then again, a lot of these encounters, they don't
make a whole lot of sense.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
No, no, but I certainly I can't think of any
rational reason and never have as to who would be
doing that sort of thing. And I said, hope, you
know I don't see it. It's a bit elaborate for
the chances of nobody seeing it.

Speaker 4 (14:17):
Yeah, it's a bit like the Bigfoot stories and stuff.
I mean a lot of these these encounters in the
middle of literally nowhere, when you know you're not the
chances of bumping into someone, I mean fair enough, if
it's on video, then chances are someone put the costume
on and then recorded it. Yeah, you know, but like
you said, you know, it's very remote where you are,
and the chances someone got there for a bit of
a joke and then being seen by someone, you know,

(14:40):
i'd check that straight out.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
Yeah, I agree, And then it would be pretty elaborate
just to even create that intensity of light because it
literally the whipla like one hundred yards at the top
of the ridge completely white pierced been like going up
into the sky. They're like blue tinged to it, and
it's really odd, sort of plicksome. So I didn't think
it was there any sort of diggers up then something,
but it wasn't. You know, there's nothing up there to
this day.

Speaker 4 (15:02):
Have you been up? When was the last time you
were kind of up the area?

Speaker 1 (15:05):
It's a long time now, so I live just down
towards Newport now, but my grandparents died sort of last
one down with fistinus on years ago, so I'm going
to go up occasionally, driver after drive up to the
area actually on that spot. It would be some time ago,
but you know, I'm pretty confident asn't changing a long time.

Speaker 4 (15:22):
You know, when you get a chance, if you can
draw us a sketch of what you saw. Yeah, obviously
you're probably a going to find you at the original drawing,
but you know just what you can from memory and yeah,
and if you could pinpoint it roughly where well hopefully
exactly where you know it actually saw it and.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
Where where you were, Yeah, I can. I could possible
watchever a picture from Google Maps. I know exactly where
it was.

Speaker 4 (15:47):
That's wonderful. I know we can kind of class as
an explained. But what what do you kind of think
it was?

Speaker 1 (15:53):
You know what I my get tells me. There's only
really two options for me. It's either some sort of
tary you know, secret military aircraft for some reason needed
to put down there and take bad off, or it
was you know, as we would say UFO. Because I've
got no other rational reason or tangible thing I can say.

(16:15):
I think it's that. So I know, I'm not well
sure I accounted it. If when from America where Okay,
it's going something like Nevada or something like that neck
of the woods because a remote road and something land
in front of him and he sees a couple of
people in old rolls sort of get out and around them,
then take off. I always thought when I heard that
one that that was sort of possibly similar. But what
I saw sort of the person coming over the ridge,

(16:37):
you know, it just looks strange. You though, I've been
in the military in the past, had no luck to
anything military I've been seeing myself.

Speaker 4 (16:44):
Yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah, that was the kora I thing
you're thinking of.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Right, yeah, that's right. Yeah, but even that was a
little boat. I think the guy that says going to
do was didn't sort of old rolls or some sort
of flight to type description. But this was just nowhere
near app What struck on me, It was like a build.
You know, I appreciate that I as a kid, but
I still think now it is a large build and
they're just the clean lines of it, of the filouette.
That makes sense. So if your I stood in there

(17:09):
on a cold night with a jacket and jeans on them,
you'd see that sort of silhouette with you. But this
was very uniform of regimented you see, right, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
I mean Wales is quite a popular tourist place for
yearso so may well be.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
Yeah, I really know, And I said, you know, and
I think when we chat an email is the episode
of the guy in the Bearing Mountains, a farmer in
the seventies. You know that that's been on TV as well,
isn't it. I think on one of the programs where
he sees that sort of intense light and the cops
of woods done on further across the valley, and that's
the way he describes that light is very similar to
I think rifle. That was a few years before I

(17:46):
was seventy four.

Speaker 4 (17:47):
Yeah, it was very it was very recent between that.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
Yeah, but that that description, so I know, I think
it was engineering one of those programs put put it on.
But that way he describes the intense white blue light
behind a tree, that's the sort of closest description to
like of, you know, to what I saw, or be
it just doing the I mean whales, But worldwide, there's
not a million miles away. It's probably one hundred miles north.

Speaker 4 (18:09):
So any listeners out there in the South Wales area
get in contact.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Yeah, it's an interesting it's interesting event, which as I said,
it's always stuck in my mind.

Speaker 4 (18:22):
It always will.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yeah, you're right, and it's nice to be able to
share it. Actually, and you know, listening to your show
that the events that people have witnessed or been part of.
You know, why would we all make this up to
what end?

Speaker 4 (18:35):
Yeah exactly. I mean I'm very lucky I get predominantly
good reviews for the show. The people that contact me
are just normal everyday people. People just want to share this,
you know, So there's no reason why you know, people
are going to like you can. Of course, you can
never say one hundred percent that someone's going to, you know,
contact you and there's completely made up story. You know,
there are people are very complex human beings in any case,

(18:56):
you know.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
But yeah, yeah, yeah, they might want a bit of
a tension seeking because a lot of shows about the
topic on at the moment or whatever.

Speaker 4 (19:02):
Yeah exactly, But generally, you know, I mean I'm pretty
confident that just about everyone I've had on but telling
the truth, and even if what the experience wasn't what
they think it is, you know, it's still it's still something.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
Yeah, I agree, that's wonderful. Gareff.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
It's a pleasure. No worries say that I said that
relived in my mind, so it's it's not just sort
of recounting again.

Speaker 4 (19:25):
I mean, yeah, I mean it's quite a while ago.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
Mind, Yeah it was forty years ago. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
Well, Gareff, I really appreciate you coming on and sharing
it all for our listen.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
Pleasure, no pleasure, that enjoyed it.

Speaker 4 (19:34):
Wonderful? All right, thanks Nick, you have you have a
great evening. Okay, and I'll tort you. I'll talk to
you soon, all right, Take care, Gareth.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
Yeah, cheer Nick.

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the podcast. He Nick, calling from Cambridgeshire in the UK
this morning. Yes, yeah, wonderful. Your first UFO experience occurred
in nineteen seventy eight.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
Yep, that's age fourteen, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (21:12):
Age fourteen, one foot Okay, would you like to start
there for us please, Paul.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah, sure, So, Yeah, I was.

Speaker 5 (21:17):
It was a Saturday, I f I remember correctly, because
I was at home, and I think I was at
home alone. I got I had four sisters and brothers
like so there was five of us plus Mum and dad,
seven us at home. But it was a Saturday, afternoon,
blue skies, warm day. I can't remember exactly what month
or day it was, but I know it was a
Saturday because I come downstairs and I was going to
watch the Pink Panther Show which was on aged quite

(21:41):
light then, so I came downstairs, put it Telly on.
There was nobody in that room. There might have been
one of my sisters upstairs, but there was nobody around.
So we had a sort of long living room which
has a dining room as you come in. Then there
was a room divider, and then there was a living
room with the TV in the corner. We had a
sofa across the back window that looked at over the
back garden and across over the fence trees, and I
was sort of sat there. I put the TV on

(22:03):
and was waiting for this show to come on. And
I looked out of the window. As say, it was
a clear blue sky and out above the trees. It
was must been quite low because this thing was quite big.
Was this all I can say is a craft. It
was silver, and the shape of it that I could
see was like a cigar shape. So when I say

(22:23):
cigar shape, it was rounded at both ends. It wasn't
cut off one end to smoke. It was a rounded
shape on both ends. But for somehow, some reason, that's
what I saw. But I know it was a disc shape,
so I think I was seeing it flat on the side.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
I don't know why. I know it was a disc shape,
but I just seemed to know that it was a disc.
But anyway, this ship was up there. It wasn't moving
at all.

Speaker 5 (22:44):
It was just sitting there, and I was sort of drawn,
really drawn to it and mesmerized by this looking at this,
and I could feel myself having to sort of pull myself.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Away when I've been looking.

Speaker 5 (22:52):
While I was looking at it, I had to really
sort of make an effort to sort of turn my
head away from this and stop looking at it. So
and I did manage to do that, and I look
back and I saw that the show was just getting
ready to start, and so I thought, I'll just look back,
thinking this thing will be gone, and it wasn't. It
was still there. And so again I was drawn to this.
So I can't believe that I looked at it for
this amount of time. But when I then tried to

(23:14):
look back at the TV that the show had finished,
that there was another show and I don't know what
it was, maybe the news or something, but it gone.
And this show was at least half an hour long,
and that was well gone, and I looked at the
clock and almost an hour had gone. Now I can't
remember looking at this thing for an hour or feeling
that I'd sat there just sort of, you know, in
a trance, looking at this thing.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
I don't know what happened. I was fourteen at the time.

Speaker 5 (23:37):
I didn't know what experiences was and lost time or
ready anything about the UFOs. I'd heard the word, obviously
UFO and about you know, spaceships and all that, but
I didn't really know anything about I didn't know what
a brave was or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
So for me, it was a bit curious.

Speaker 5 (23:50):
And I can remember walking through to the kitchen and
checking the clocks, so thought maybe the clock was wrong,
but the clock was the same in the kitchen, and
I always thought, like, that's really really strange, but just
moved on with it sort of thing. Didn't say anything
to anyone because I thought they'd all think I'm barking
mad at fourteen, and so just just sort of left
that as the experience it was. And then sort of

(24:10):
a couple of weeks later, I had gone to bed
and I woke up. I didn't share my room, I
have my own room, and I woke up and I
could not move. I was sleep powerless, whatever you call it.
I was glued to the bed, the only thing I
could move was my eyeballs and to the side of me.
As I looked to the side of me, I could
see this figure in the upstairs landing, just outside my bedroom.

(24:31):
The door was open, but I couldn't see who or
what it was. But I somehow realized it wasn't anybody
from the house. It wasn't my family sisters on my
mom and dad. So I was a bit nervous because
obviously I couldn't move and I could see this figure,
and I was wondering what was going on. And then
the next thing, I was at the top of the stairs.
I was out of bed and I was at the

(24:51):
top of these stairs and at the bottom of the
stairs was this figure. Now then, at fourteen, I had
no idea what this was.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
I was just really really scared. I was really frightened,
not you know, not knowing what this was.

Speaker 5 (25:03):
I know that it was a gray now because when
I saw a picture of a gray sometime later, I
realized it straight away took me to that memory.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
And this thing was at the bottom of the.

Speaker 5 (25:13):
Stairs and it was beckoning me to come downstairs, and
I thought it wanted me to jump, because I can
remember not saying anything but thinking I'm going to hurt myself.
I'm going to break my legs if I try and
jump down here. And this thing was saying to me,
don't worry, You're fine, You're safe, You're okay, don't be afraid.
And then I came downstairs, but I didn't walk. It
was like I was just floating down the stairs. And
I got to the bottom of the stairs and this gray,

(25:36):
this thing was right by the front door. And as
you got to the bottom of the stairs, on your
left was my was the living room dining room area.
I could hear the TV on, so my parents were
still up. I could hear the TV on, and I
could hear some talking. Whether it was my parents or
the TV, I'm not sure, but I could hear some
muffled voices because it was right down the other end
of the room, I could hear that clearly.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
And then I was outside of the house. I'd gone out.

Speaker 5 (25:59):
I don't remember doors opening. I got outside the house
and I can see the sky, and then from that moment,
I don't remember anything else after that. I woke up
the next morning and I was in bed. I was
I felt that up and I sort of, you know,
touched myself helped myself just you know, I'm all there
and all pieces and all was okay. I didn't feel ill.
I felt a bit tired, it disheveled, if you like.

(26:20):
But yeah, I don't really know what happened there.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
It wasn't a dream.

Speaker 5 (26:24):
I was wide awake, for sure, but it was that
was the one time I was I was quite squared
and quite quite nervous about it. And then after that
I started to notice that I had the almost like
a sixth sense I suppose an ability I could and
I'll go into this in more details in a minute,
but I had disability to sense things, especially with people.

(26:45):
So I could sense people that were not good. So
I would do the hairs would go on the back
of my neck, and sometimes I would get this message
in my head.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
Now I say message.

Speaker 5 (26:54):
It wasn't can't It was voices, but it was like
a message would come and say to me, you know this,
this is not good. You know, back away from these
people whatever. And I'll explain this say a little bit
more as I go along. But I could also sort
of sense when someone was pregnant. It was things like
that that was just more intuitive that I hadn't noticed before.
And this continued for a long time in my life,

(27:15):
certainly up and through into my twenties. At this time
I was fourteen, but this carried on through into my
twenties and thirties, and it has come back a little
bit over time. But as an example, I can tell
you when I was sort of fourteen fifteen, I had
a friend who had made friends with a couple of
lads who were twins, and they lived up in a
home just at the back of our house, about ten

(27:35):
minutes walk. And these guys, as soon as I met
them and their hairs on the back of my head,
the skin started to crawl, didn't I didn't like them,
and this message came in my head, just stay away,
don't don't go near these guys.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Stay away.

Speaker 5 (27:47):
And when we came away, I said to my mate,
I didn't have a good feeling about them. I don't
think they're right. And yeah, no, they're right, all right.
And anyway, cut long story short, a few couple of
months later they were gone and I didn't go and
hang around with them anymore. So they've gone, I think,
if I remember right, they stabbed somebody up in that
hostel and they'd gone to a borttle, but they did
something that was not good. I can't exactly remember what,

(28:09):
but they certainly hurt somebody up there. And he'd said
to me afterwards, yeah, they were a bit crazy. They
were a bit nutty, like you know, And so I thought,
all right, okay, so you know this this thing is
is definitely something to take notice of. And so I've
had smaller things happen with that, and then moving on
to sort of nineteen eighty one, I got a job
as an apprentice chef in London. So I moved up

(28:30):
to London, lived in the staff accommodation, and I trained
as a chef. I was at one of the big
four Staffi Star hotels in London, and so I was
probably it was eighty one. So I was off this
day in the morning. It was a weekend, and again
it was a sunny day, and I was getting ready
to go to work and have something to eat because
we could use cafeteria because we were in the staff accommodation,

(28:51):
and then start working the afternoon. I normally went home
for the weekend, but on this weekend they'd offered us
some overtime to earn a bit more money, so I
decided to stay, and I got ready and I went
to go out and leave us sit to me make
some off and to work and have something to eat.
And so I came out of the house. We lived
on a square. This was near High Park. It was
I can't remember the name of the address now, but

(29:13):
it was a square and it went in in a
U shape, so you came in, you could come in
evil way. You went round and you come out of
the square the other side back onto the main road,
and in the middle was a sort of garden which
was for the use of the people there, and there
was trees and that. It was all very sort of enclosed,
so it was quite private. So I came out and
started walking down the street, and straight away this message

(29:34):
came in my head.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
For me to stop stop walking. And I stopped walking,
and for.

Speaker 5 (29:39):
That strange and I looked around and I couldn't see anyone.
It's a nice day. It was very quiet behind me. Nothing,
couldn't see anybody through trees or bushes in the park,
couldn't see any sort of danger or anything like that.
And so I started walking again, and again this message
said stop walking, and I stopped again, looked around and
just at that point, so I was about to start

(30:01):
walking again, these two lads came up to the corner,
looked down the street, and then started coming down towards me.
And they looked, you know, they were probably in their
early twenties, you know, dressed for the day. Didn't look
anything unusual to them, just a couple of lads, and
they were chatting, hands in their pockets. They had jackets on,
and so I sort of look didn't feel anything at
that point, and then I took one or two steps

(30:22):
and this message came in my head. Run just run,
and it was almost like it was in capital legs.
It came in my head really powerful, and it was
like run, And I stopped walking again, and I looked
at these two guys, and I sort of caught one
of the eyes of these two guys. And as soon
as I caught that, the skin on my neck crawled
and hairs went up on the back of my head,
and I was like, what's going on here sort of thing,

(30:43):
and I thought, right, so I'll turn, So I turned
around and started walking back to the accommodation. Obviously, I
hadn't gone too far, so I just then took a
brief look over my shoulder, and both of these guys
were running four pelt towards me, and both of them
had these shoe huge hunting knives. I think you called
them bowie knives or something like that, but that had
his huge knives on them, and I was like, holy,

(31:07):
you know, what's going on?

Speaker 2 (31:08):
The air sort of thing.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
I just ran.

Speaker 5 (31:10):
I just ran, and I managed to get upstairs, you know,
get me keys in the door, and get on the
other side of the door before they got to the
bottom of the stairs. And I've never seen these guys
before in my life. I don't know who they were.
I think, I mean, from their intentions were going to
kill me. I think I'm pretty sure that, but yeah,
I've never seen them before. And close the door. Shouted

(31:31):
up to a couple of friends who were in and
they came running downstairs. What's going on? I was explained
to them as two guys out there were knives. They
are trying to stab me, kill me or whatever like
rite and one of my makes run up and got
a couple of golf clubs he had in his room
and a bit of bravado. But anyway, I said, look,
you know, we left it a couple of minutes. Then
we have sort of looked out the windows, couldn't see anyone.
We opened the doors and looked out and couldn't see

(31:53):
anyone anywhere. The street was empty. So my mate, he
had a cart, little fit one, and he said, come
to jump in the car and I'll just it was
only a five minute walk around the corner. He said,
I'll drop you around there and we'll see if we
can see them. But never saw them again. We went
around in the car and we had a little sort
of drive around the streets before we went straight to work,
and couldn't see anyone anywhere.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
These guys have gone very very bizarre. Mean, I've never.

Speaker 5 (32:14):
Forgot that to this day, and that sort of reaffirmed
to me. You know, these messages that were coming. I
can't tell you why I'm getting these messages and I'm
special or anything like that, but that definitely saved my
life that day, There's no doubt about that.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
For what reason, I can't tell you.

Speaker 5 (32:30):
I went to work, and I know for months afterwards,
I was whenever I was out, my eyes were scanning
the streets for these two faces because I won't forget them.
But I never never saw them, never happened again, never
came across them. I have no idea why or what.
I think maybe they were out just to hurt someone
and stumbled across me. But as I said, I can't

(32:50):
explain you know, how or why that worked and on
how those messages came. But it just saved my life
that day, There's no doubt about it. And then I mean,
I've had other experiences not so quite as dramatic as that,
thank god. But then there was another incident which moves
on to a nineteen eighty seven and I was working
as a chef again. I was at a different job
by this time, and this job worked a sort of

(33:12):
nine to five Monday to Friday, because I wanted a
bit more time for myself. Working in hotels, obviously it's
long hours, and I was working overtime, so we would
normally finish around four or five o'clock. But I won't
say company. This is a big company, and they sponsored
a lot of sporting events and some were televising that,
and they had the facilities to lay these on, so

(33:33):
we would get asked when these were on to do
overtime and work on these, and I was working on
one of these events that night and would normally finish
any time depends what I would What I would do
was me and a couple of other guys would all
the preparation, get it all ready, and then the chef
would send us home.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
He wouldn't keep us all there once that's starting sect fine.

Speaker 5 (33:51):
He would just keep some waiters there and himself and
maybe one other and they would then just distribute the
food out once the ceremony was over. And I got
the message in my head to say leave work.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
You need to leave work now and go home. And
I couldn't say why.

Speaker 5 (34:06):
I didn't have a feeling that anything was bad or
anything like that, like when the one story, I just
told you that at the beginning, I didn't think there
was anything bad.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
But this was very adamant.

Speaker 5 (34:16):
I needed to leave work now and go home, and
so it wasn't far off my finishing time, to be fair.
So I went to the chef and said, look, and
I nip off, I'm feeling tired. You know, everything's pretty
much done. And he looked at the watch and said,
no problem. So he let me go a little bit early,
I think fifteen minutes early.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Or something like that.

Speaker 5 (34:30):
So I got dressed, it, got changed, got on a tube,
took the tube, went to King's Cross where I lived.
I lived between King's Cross and Camden Town and would walk.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Up York Way.

Speaker 5 (34:38):
So I got off the tube and was halfway up
York Way, and then I start hearing all these blue
lights going and it was a lot.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
It just got louder and louder.

Speaker 5 (34:46):
Because obviously more and more vehicles were going to King's Cross,
and obviously this was the night of the fire at
King's Cross, where where a lot of people lost their
lives in the underground. And I didn't notice at the time.
Obviously I got home, I could still hear these blue
lights going around through the night. I had got home
at a shower, had a cup of tea, put a
telly on, and then of course it was all on
the news. It was breaking news. Now I can't say

(35:07):
for definite that that saved my life, but certainly it's
very strange that I got this message to go home
immediately and get out of there, and I sort of,
by sort of five minutes, I missed this incident. So
I have no other reason to think that that's what
it was, because I only get his messages when things
looks like I'm in danger with things. So that sort

(35:27):
of messages in the head has been There are two
sort of main instances that I can say have changed
maybe my life a bit, have certainly made me sit
up and think.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
And there's been smaller just other things.

Speaker 5 (35:40):
But I'll move on then to nineteen nineteen ninety two,
which was my next sort of sightings of a UFO
in Scotland.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
So I was living just outside Edinburgh.

Speaker 5 (35:50):
I've been up there a couple of years and I
was working as a chef there and I was out
gone to the cinema with three other people and it
was quite late. We've gone to quite a late showing,
so it's about seven eleven thirty. We'd had something tweet afterwards,
and we were on our way back along the main
bypass just outside Edinburgh, and the four of us on
this occasion, so I wasn't on my own, saw these
orbs in the sky sort of near the Pentland Hills,

(36:13):
so I would say they were above the Pentland Hills,
and there were several of them.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
I think, you know, probably seven or eight of these orbs,
and they.

Speaker 5 (36:19):
Would say dancing around in the sky, moving between each other,
and sort of doing figures of eight. They were quite large.
I mean they were supposed a bit bigger than a
tennis ball. They were silver, they were like a whitey silver.
They didn't come any bigger or closer to us. But
we spent a good We were there for quite a while.
I mean difficult sometimes to think time, but I would

(36:40):
say at least ten to fifteen minutes. We were all
in awe of seeing these orbs and seeing them and
watching them dance around in the sky to the point where,
you know, I was quite happy to stand and watch
them until they disappeared, but the others weren't.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
So.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
I mean, we had an elderly woman in there who
had been with a cern.

Speaker 5 (36:56):
She wanted to get home, and it was bloody cold
because of Scotland, it was in the wintertime, and so
we ended up just leaving. And I don't know why,
but I should have looked to see if there was
anything in the news, because I can't believe if we
saw them that nobody else did. It's quite possible that
other people saw them, but I can't explain what that was,
and I've seen similar sorts of I suppose UFOs or

(37:18):
unexplained lights orbs since then as well, but that was
the only one that I've had that I can say.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
It was witnessed.

Speaker 5 (37:26):
And after that I lived in a village just outside Edinburgh,
and there were several occasions where there was one occasion where.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
I woke up in my room.

Speaker 5 (37:36):
I thought it was headlights to a car, but the
road ran alongside my apartment rather than towards it, so
I never got headlights in the windows, but it wasn't.
My room was lit up really really bright white light.
I mean, I remember putting my hands over my eyes,
but it didn't seem to do anything. The lights seemed
to come through my fingers. And I don't remember anything
after that. But the next day I woke up and

(37:58):
I was curled up in fetal position in the bath
in the bathroom next to my bedroom, if I remember rightly,
I don't think I had any pajamas on or anything.
I wore t shirts and shorts to bed, but I
didn't have anything on, which was bizarre. I've never sleep
done sleepwalking. I've never had any experiences of that. And
you know, I've lived most of my life of other people,
have not often been on my own, and there's never

(38:19):
been any instances as a child or growing up, or
even through my marriage for twenty years with my wife
or any other partners I've lived with that I've ever sleepwalked.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
So that was bizarre.

Speaker 5 (38:28):
And that happened on two or three occasions where I
actually for some reason woke up in a different room,
not in the bedroom I went to.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
Bed, and can't explain it.

Speaker 5 (38:37):
It is possible that I was sleepwalking, but why I
would get into the bath and sleep and take the
clothes off, I don't know. But I've never done that
before and never since or anything like that. And that
was not long after I saw those orbs in Scotland,
so that was a little bit bizarre. So then sort
of moving on from there, we come to sort of
a period now sort of I suppose, you know, a

(38:58):
number of years later where I haven't really I've not
had any sort of UFO experiences for a long time
and got married and got three kids and not really
had anything since since since that period of time until
we come to what was last year in October, and
I got out most nights, I bought my dog, as
I said to you, and I came out and to

(39:19):
the east. I know, sort of the stars and constellations
and where they all should be. Just caught my eye
in the east. These two what I thought were stars
at first, and then I realized they were moving, and
they got a bit bigger and were certainly larger than
your normal star, but I couldn't see them.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
They weren't big enough to say.

Speaker 5 (39:38):
They were a craft or They looked like these orbs
again to me, but they were a bit smaller than
the ones I saw in Scotland. And again they were
dancing around, they were doing figure of eights and the
on this first occasion, the two of them then joined together,
so they collided if you like, with each other, or
came together and became one. It didn't get any bigger,

(39:58):
didn't get any brighter. It stayed a it was but
one when they went, there's one that was it. I
never saw two of them again. And then the one
that was there disappeared, just disappeared into the night.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
So that was bizarre.

Speaker 5 (40:09):
But then I came out the next day, not exactly
the same time, but a similar time. I normally walked
dog between seven and nine most nights, it would have
been between that sort of period of time, and they
were again exactly the same spot up to the east
and doing the same sort of thing. On this occasion
I watched them. They didn't come together as one. They

(40:30):
just danced around each other and were moving around.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
In the night sky.

Speaker 5 (40:34):
They were slightly bigger this time than the day before,
so I assumed they were a bit closer again. They
then both just disappeared off together and I didn't didn't
see them again then for a couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
So after those two.

Speaker 5 (40:48):
Instances, it was probably a week or two later, I
was coming back and I hadn't seen and you know,
like a lot of experiences, I'm iised to the sky.
As soon as I go out, I look up see
if it's clear sky, I see anything now, and so
I do do look for these things, I suppose, but
I haven't seen anything.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
I was coming home.

Speaker 5 (41:05):
We've done our walk and it was a pretty clear night.
There was no low cloud or anything like that. As
I approached the house. My house come in through the
what we called the gate side gate. We've got the
front door or side gate, and the side gate takes
you into the back door, or you can go down
the side of the house and into the garden. So
I would always come in from the side gate into

(41:26):
the house with a dog, and that was us done
with our walk. But on this night, and this is
the first time I've had a message in a long
time that I can remember. I got a message in
my head saying go to.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
The back garden, and I just walked straight there.

Speaker 5 (41:38):
I closed the gate, walked straight there with Maddie the dog,
and above my house, I mean, I was in shock.
Above the house was this huge craft. I mean it
was I couldn't see it all, but it was huge.
The front of it, or one end of it that
I could see, the rest of it seemed to be
cloaked because I couldn't see. As I moved into the garden,
I couldn't see anymore.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
It was like it was just in a cloud or
in it.

Speaker 5 (42:01):
I don't know where it was, but I have to
assume thinking about it, it was somehow cloaked, because I
think this was just for me to see above the house,
and it was almost like a yeah, Hi, we're here.
I don't get scared about these things the pats. I
was scared, but I was really shaken that this thing
was so close to the house. I mean, it was
literally just above the house. It was that close that
I shone my torch on it. I always carry a
torch at nighttime, and I shone my torch on it,

(42:23):
and I got no reflection from it. It seemed to
absorb the light. It stayed there for a number of seconds,
and I got different settings on my torch, so I
put it on strow light, and as soon as I
did that, it just moved up and disappeared. Now, you know,
when I walked into the front of the house to
come into the garden, there was nothing above the house.

(42:44):
It was just normal and listening was that biggie. You know,
I would have seen it coming in, So I really
don't understand that. But obviously they've got technology there that
they were cloaking it in some way. And so I
was totally shocked. I mean that shot that I went
in and spoke to my wife about it and said, look,
I've just seen this. She knew I'd seen these other
sort of unexplained UFOs on the previous week that were

(43:04):
dancing in the sky that I said, And so I
said to her, and should all your friends are back?

Speaker 2 (43:08):
I said, it looks like it.

Speaker 5 (43:09):
But then she could see that I was a bit
shaken up having seen this one right above the house,
and it sort of unnerved me a little bit. But
you know, okay, I mean, you know, I think you
don't know until you get it on the day. But
I think if one of these us stood in my
garden and said hi, I wouldn't run. I would want
to know, because for years I want to know, why
did I get these messages?

Speaker 3 (43:27):
What was it for? You know?

Speaker 2 (43:28):
But I have no idea.

Speaker 5 (43:29):
So anyway, I told my wife straight away. We didn't
say anything to the kids, and I hadn't told my
story to the children or to my wife, to be fair,
not this poor story. I'd spoke to him about seeing UFOs,
but I hadn't told them the complete picture of all
the other things that have gone on in my life,
and so I don't want to spook the kids. But
a couple of days later, two days after that, I
was upstairs, me and my wife, and we were talking

(43:50):
about it again, and my son came in the room.
He's eighteen years old. I just said to him, or
have you had You haven't had any strange things going
on or seen anything strange?

Speaker 2 (43:57):
And what have you? He said, Oh?

Speaker 5 (43:59):
He said, yeah, he's said, two nights ago, he said,
I thought CARTI was in my room. He said, somebody ran,
someone or something ran across my bedroom. He said, it
just disappeared, and I just thought and I went back
to sleep. He said, I just thought it was Kartier,
who's my youngest daughter.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
It wasn't her.

Speaker 5 (44:12):
She's sleeping that night, and she doesn't sleep walk, None
of the kids sleepwalk or anything like that, and it
wasn't her. That was a little bit unnerving because obviously,
you know, I know a lot of people on your
show have said where they've had experiences, their parents or
their their children also get experiences.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
So but I can't say anything bad has happened to me.
In some ways, I've had some good things that have
kept me alive. So I don't know what that was.
I can't say for sure. But so, yeah, that that
sort of unnerved me a little bit.

Speaker 5 (44:38):
So I then thought, right, okay, so they've sort of
shown their shown their face to me. They've they've come
above the house and shown this craft to me. I
can't say why, just to say.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Yeah, look we are here, you know, we are back
or whatever.

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Speaker 2 (45:32):
Nothing happened again.

Speaker 5 (45:33):
That was sort of November time, and then in December,
just before Christmas, I was at walking Maddie and we
were coming towards again the end of the walk and
looking across to the west, going west into the sky.
I then saw this craft. It was very very silver.
It wasn't very big. It wasn't as big as the
one that I saw when I was fourteen. It was
much smaller, so obviously much further away, very silver, and

(45:55):
it was moving very slowly, and it was sort of circling,
I suppose, just seemed to be staying in one place,
but just sort of moving in a small circle around.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
And then it stopped.

Speaker 5 (46:06):
And so I watched this and I was looking at
it and I was thinking, Okay, what's it going to do?
Is it going to come towards me, and it just shot.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
Off in the sky.

Speaker 5 (46:13):
And I've seen videos of these things going straight up
in the air on the blink of an eye, but
this one went off I don't know, sixty degrees, so
it went off at an angle into space. And when
it went, it went fast, but it went and left
this real solid silver line behind it, and it looked
absolutely beautiful. I've never seen I've seen shooting stars, it
wasn't nothing like that.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
This was amazing.

Speaker 5 (46:35):
And when it went and disappeared, I was standing there
and this euphoria came over me. I don't know where
it comes from. I just felt so euphoric, so lifted,
so light, and so happy as well.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
And I was like and I couldn't say wow. I
was thinking yourself a smatter with you? You know, why
is this come over you?

Speaker 5 (46:53):
And it went off into the sky. And that's the
last experience I've had since before Christmas. I'll go out
walking most nights so when I can my dog and
I haven't seen anything else since then. And that's that's
really the sort of story of my experiences with UFOs.

Speaker 4 (47:06):
When it comes to these intuition sixth sense that you've
you know obviously exhibit Yeah. Do you still have that now?
Like when you said you could tell when someone's pregnant, Yeah,
not so much.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
No.

Speaker 5 (47:18):
I mean, as I say, when I was younger, I
could definitely go in a room when I remember going
in a room one time and the partner I was
with at the time in the twelve twenties and saying, oh,
she's pregnant.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
And she didn't look pregnant, but I said, oh.

Speaker 5 (47:30):
She's but obviously had said hello to her, kissed her cheek,
and they were friends and that, and I come as
I stepped away, I was like, oh, you know, my
partner at the time a girlfriend at a time, said
she not said nothing.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
I don't think so it's okay.

Speaker 5 (47:42):
And then a couple of weeks later she she told
my partner I did she didn't know, he was just
part of said to her, did you know a couple
of weeks ago she went, now, I've just found out
this week, And she'd like, that's happened. You know, that
sort of thing has happened on several occasions, but that
was all in my twenties and thirties. I can't say
I've picked up on that. I've been in contact with
people that have made me think I don't want to

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know this person. They put their hairs up on the
back of my head. I know there's something wrong. So
I've stayed away or shied away from with that's somebody
who I've met through friends or a party or you know,
through work or whatever. I've come into contact with people,
and I can still get that feeling that definitely. I
can still if I get a sense that someone's not right,
that my hairs on the back of my head will

(48:24):
go up, I'll just stay away from them and say right.
And if it's somebody that's around my family, I'll just
say you stay away from them, just you know, live
in contact with them.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
And you know, my wife knows about that sort of thing.

Speaker 5 (48:33):
I just got bad and I have had it that
I've got up before we're doing something and this has come.
If it come in my head or I've had this
bad feeling that something's not right and I won't go,
I'll say to my wife, we're not going today, We'll
do it another day. And I've just not you know,
I have changed my plans just because of that. But
I can't say in the last sort of ten to
fifteen years I've had it. So since I've been marrying
that kids, I can't say I've had a lot, if

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any sort of main experiences or anything like that. It's
been nothing, really, which was a surprise when it started happening,
you know, this sort of last few months. Instead of
just being the one I expected just been one, I
had a series of them. But yeah, I mean, I
don't know how it works. And again, you know, I'm
sure a lot of people who have had this. You
asked the question when that incidant happened with those two

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guys with the knives. You know, I was asking myself,
why me, you know, why if someone's keeping me alive,
she will say, because that's what it looked like. If
they're not wanting me to be killed, for what purpose
is it? You know, I didn't I wasn't that great
at school.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
You know, I wouldn't know.

Speaker 5 (49:28):
I did school, and I enjoyed school, but I wasn't
very academic. I wanted to be a chef, and I
knew that for a while, and you know, I pursued
that career and worked hard and did really well.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
You know, I've worked with the royal family.

Speaker 5 (49:40):
I've worked with a lot of stars and met a
lot of people. I've had a great life from it.
As I said to you, I've worked abroad and traveled,
and you know, I've had a pretty good life and
quite in some ways unusual in some of the places
that I've been and worked, and I've enjoyed every minute it.
I've always tried to look for jobs when I've decided
I want to move for something that's completely different to
what I'm doing. I'll still be a chef, but a
different sort of environment. The jobs are saying that the

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environment doesn't need to be so I didn't never really
once I became a head chef and an executive chef,
I never wanted to really move from one hotel to
another because the jobs are exactly the same, environment, slightly different,
but pretty much same. So you know, I moved, as
I said, I moved abroad to get some experience. I
worked in Russia, worked in France, worked in Middle East
and in Asia, so to get those experiences and sort of,

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you know, take take myself out of a comfort zone
as well. So and in those times I had, I
can't think that anything sort of jumps out like some
of those sort of main stories do.

Speaker 4 (50:34):
I mean, of course you should always go where your
gut feeling. I'm a firm belief in that. But to me,
this is, this is a little bit more than that.
You know, because those messages intuition that you had, you know,
it got you out of quite a serious scrape.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
It just twice there.

Speaker 5 (50:48):
It got me out of a serious situation. And I say,
you have to ask yourself for what purpose? I mean,
I haven't done anything in my life that I haven't
invented something that's been great for the world. And I
haven't you know, saved anybody. I know, maybe it's to
come who knows that. There must be a reason for it.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
You know, there's got to be some sort of reason
behind it, But I don't know what it is.

Speaker 4 (51:07):
Well, whether it you know, it directly came from you,
or it came from an outside source.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
Yeah, I mean, I don't think it came from me.

Speaker 5 (51:13):
I don't think those messages it was like I suppose
to epathy more than anything. It wasn't a conversation. I
wasn't talking to them. These messages were coming from into
my head from somewhere. They weren't coming from within me.
This was coming from some external source of this message
is being put into my head do this and do
it now sort of thing, you're in danger. It wasn't
coming from me. I'm hundred percent certain on that.

Speaker 4 (51:35):
And it was like in capital letters when when I
didn't move.

Speaker 5 (51:38):
I mean it wasn't always, but on that instance when
I when it said stop and I started and I
kept going, and when it was like, right, this is dangerous,
that it was like almost it's sort of banged into
my head sort of thing. I mean, it's difficult to
describe it. I mean, I would say it was like
it was shouting, but it wasn't a voice, if you
know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
It was like you know, when someone's angry, they writing
capital letters as if they're shouting. I stuff.

Speaker 5 (51:59):
Manager would send it in capital letters when he was
angry about something, and you say, oh, you always shouting
on the computer.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
It was a bit like that. It's sort of came
in big letters, you know. Run. But yeah, very yeah,
very very strange. I don't know. I can't can't sort
of you know, quantify it.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
Really.

Speaker 4 (52:14):
I wonder if if anything actually happened, you know, that
that night or anyone else that I don't know.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
I mean in London.

Speaker 5 (52:21):
I mean, I say I was, I was what sixteen
seventeen at the time. I didn't think to sort of
look or you know, look at the news or see
I didn't think like that. Went to work and busy,
and then you know, as I say, I kept kept
looking around at the streets after that because I thought
maybe these people had spotted me and were picking on
me for a reason, you know, maybe anything around a corner.
And I don't know, like you know, I just couldn't

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couldn't quantify it. But I certainly kept an eye out
for them in you know, in the in two weeks
as it were. But say, nothing nothing ever happened like
that again, thank god, you know, to me. I mean
I've been I've been in scrapes and that, and nothing's
happened to stop me being in them. But you know,
I've not been hurt. I mean, I've been in a
couple of minor car accidents and say nothing that was

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life threatening or not been in any real sort of
would say life threatening situations where I haven't had those
messages and I've gone into a life threatening situation, nothing
like that.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
You know, It's all My life's been pretty boring really.

Speaker 4 (53:16):
Well, I wouldn't say that you've been to Mongolia as well?

Speaker 5 (53:21):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, as I say, I went abroad
and through various people who I've worked with. One of
my old bosses went out there and then he asked
me to come and join him when we worked on
Golden Copper mine in Mongolia. By this time, i'd sort
of moved away from the kitchen when I was in
the Middle East. I moved from the kitchen into operations
and then never looked back from that either, and sort
of become an operations manager and a regional manager. And

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then in Mongolia, I managed all the operations in the country,
but the main one was in the Gobi.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
Desert and there, you know, you've got huge guys.

Speaker 5 (53:50):
It's a bit like some of your friends from America
that talk about star gazing and they've got these big
open skies.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
So that was what Mongolia was like. Never saw anything.

Speaker 5 (53:58):
I mean, I would sit out there and look at
the stars and think, oh, you know, we're going to
see something that's such a huge expanse and that, but
see shooting stars and what have you.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
But nothing else now see anything there.

Speaker 5 (54:08):
But yeah, I've traveled around and not had any any
experiences when I was abroad, nothing like that.

Speaker 4 (54:13):
Yeah, you've had an interest in life, you know.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (54:15):
I've always said, you know, traveling is the best thing
you can do.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
Definitely. Anyway, I gave my kids to bug both.

Speaker 5 (54:22):
You know, they're going to Uni a two eldest and
they want to work abroad and do the same thing.
It gave them a real bug for it, So it's good.
I think it expands the mind and expands tolerance and
all those sort of things, you know, learning new cultures
and meeting different people, and you know, that's what life's about.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Life's about experiences.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
For me.

Speaker 5 (54:36):
It's not about possessions or that sort of thing. It's
about making experiences.

Speaker 4 (54:41):
Yeah, that's exactly wonderful. Okay, Just going back to your
experience in nineteen seventy eight, All right, yeah, so you
saw this disc object.

Speaker 5 (54:51):
Yeah, yeah, it looked like well from my from my vision,
it was a cigar shape. But I think I was
seeing it straight on because it never moved while I
was looking.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Never moved.

Speaker 5 (55:02):
But for some reason, I don't know why, I can
see also a disc in my head. I don't know
why that is, because I didn't see it like that.
I see it saw it when I visually looked at
it as a cigar shape, and it was quite big,
solid silver. It looked like one piece of metal because
it was quite low. As I say, it was quite large.
It was a blue sky and no clouds. It was
a very clear visibility and yeah, very silver, and just

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it looked like one that I couldn't see any sort
of lines or rivets or marks on there to say
that have been put together. It looked like one piece
of metal, no wings, no exteriors, no jet flumes or
anything like that. It was like someone had it on
a piece of string hanging there and it just wasn't moving.

Speaker 4 (55:45):
I mean, obviously it was a long time ago, and yeah,
I mean I was I was barely one year year
old then. But when you're watching the Pink Panther Show,
which is which is a good, good show. I used
to enjoy. I used to enjoy that you looked at it,
you looked at the TV. Yeah, and the show was
just starting, The show was just starting.

Speaker 5 (56:02):
Yeah, it was just And I can remember having to
pull myself away from looking at this thing. I remember
thinking I need to stop looking at this and I
pulled my head away and turned to the TV and
the show was just starting, and so the credits were
coming up, and I was like, right, and I suddenly thought, right, let's.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Look back at it.

Speaker 5 (56:18):
But I expected it to be gone, to be honest
with you, alfot, I'll look back, and I probably just
imagined it. And I looked back and it was still there.
It hadn't moved, It had not moved, and then it
seemed to me to be just again a couple of
minutes and I was thinking, right, I've got to stop
looking at this thing. And I turned my head back
and the Pink Panther Show was not on anymore. I

(56:38):
can't remember what was on, but I think I remember
looking at that and thinking, oh, you know, did I
turn the telly overall?

Speaker 2 (56:45):
And I looked it was on.

Speaker 5 (56:46):
I mean it was just no remote controls end, but
it was on the right channel that I can't remember
what was on now, but it wasn't the Pink Panther Show.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
I think it was. It might have been the news
or something was on, and I was like, oh, And
I looked.

Speaker 5 (56:55):
At the clock and I said, I think about an
hour upon sort of maybe maybe maybe a little bit
less than that, but I think the show was half
an hour long for sure at that time, so it
was definitely more than half an hour, but I don't
think it was any more than an hour. And I
looked at the clock and I was like, and I thought,
of the clock must have stopped, or there's.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
Something wrong here.

Speaker 5 (57:13):
And I did feel that something was wrong, and I say,
I then turned it turtly off and went out into
the kitchen to check the clock there, and the clock
there was the same time, and I was like, oh,
I you know, as I say, I was fourteen, I'd
never experience anything like that.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
And I was like, that's bizarre.

Speaker 5 (57:30):
I sat there and just stared at that thing for
nearly an hour. I can't believe I would do that,
But I don't remember an hour ago. And it felt
to me as if when I pulled my head away,
it had just been a couple of minutes staring at
this thing.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
But I don't remember anything. I just know that I've
gone past and I'd.

Speaker 5 (57:47):
Never It's only sort of later, as you start to
get Internet and start to see these things and start
to learn that, oh, you know, people.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Have missing time, and you know you watch movies like
fire in the.

Speaker 5 (57:57):
Sky and then you know, stuff like that when people
have gone you know, longer time than that, and I'm thinking, oh,
bloody hell. Then I had the obviously the memory of
what happened when I was in bed.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
Bizarre.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Yeah, I can't explain it.

Speaker 4 (58:07):
It may have been the Banana Splits that was on
that was that was about that kind of time.

Speaker 5 (58:12):
Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, I mean it was definitely the
afternoon time. It was definitely sort of i'd say maybe
five o'clock time something like that. Yeah, yeah, I think
it was round about that sort of time in the afternoon.
It was sort of late afternoon time. Definitely, the Pink
Panther was on. I'm sure it was on in the evening,
but I could be getting confused that it was a
long time ago.

Speaker 4 (58:32):
And after you you know, you turned to the TV
and you realize the show had finished. Did you recourd
seeing the object after that?

Speaker 3 (58:41):
No?

Speaker 2 (58:42):
No, no, no, I don't.

Speaker 5 (58:44):
I just took my head of what well, pulled my
head away and when I come back that was it
and it wasn't there, And no it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
It wasn't there. Definitely not. It had gone. And yeah, yeah,
I just I can't explain it.

Speaker 5 (58:57):
I mean at fourteen and in seventy eight, you know,
there wasn't didn't have the internet, so you didn't have
all that information of what's going on in the world.
And you know, I've never heard of anybody having an experience,
certainly not you know around this area, you know, or
anyone who brought that subject up, as only as I've
got a little bit older, and you're you know, you
get a parties and someone brings a subject up and

(59:18):
said our experiences and anybody oh yeah sort of one.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
And you know, people there, the.

Speaker 5 (59:22):
People that have seen it and had experience tend to
o right, you know, and you're telling me a story,
the others laughing, not interested sort of thing like you know,
as I'm sure everybody's experience. So I certainly, you know,
with the other stuff, I haven't told anyone about that
because I didn't want people thinking that it was crazy.
And I'm think, you know, as you get older, care
less about it. And certainly you know, having listened to
various podcasts and I've listened to yours and the experiences

(59:45):
of people, I think that makes you feel okay, Yeah, well,
you know there's other people who have gone through even
bigger things I think than what I've done. I mean,
you know, and strangers what I've experienced, and people that
have memories of you know, are going and being being
taken and what have your so.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Good or bad. I haven't had that so probably good
into so many experiences. But yeah, that that sort of helps.

Speaker 5 (01:00:06):
And certainly say I listened to your podcast, and I
listened to a couple of other ones as well, and
some very very interesting stories there. And I think, you know,
as other listeners and people who have been on your show,
I said, it's helped them.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
To sort of put their story out there. That's all
it's for for me really is to share this story.

Speaker 5 (01:00:24):
As I said, I shared it with my wife, the
whole story before I came on here, so a couple
of weeks ago, and she took it in her stride
and was okay about it. I didn't mention it all
to the kids, but we've certainly told by my wife,
and if the kids want to listen to it, they
can listen.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
To the story if they want. But yeah, I haven't
shared it now of my family know, I mean, you know,
my mom or my sisters or anything like that.

Speaker 5 (01:00:43):
I've never spoken to them about it, but yeah, I
just wanted to share it here with like minded people.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Really there's no judgment.

Speaker 4 (01:00:49):
Is that, there's no judgment. It's you know, it's just
about sharing. That's that's as simple as it exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:00:54):
Yeah, and obviously on my shows and I look on it.
I've done a little bit of research, but nothing. I
don't not obsessed with it or anything like that, just
to see, as I said to you, I've been ill
over the last few years and just sort of looked
to see if there was any connections with them, and
I know with cancer there is, but this thisess I've got,
I wasn't sure with emmy, I've got I stuffle with
you know, whether that was a connected with anyone, But

(01:01:15):
it'd be interesting to see if.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
There is, but I haven't.

Speaker 5 (01:01:18):
I've saw one paper on it whereby this person had
a group of experiences and a number of them were
diagnosed with the same honest. So but that's the only
thing I've said. I can't say there's anything much on
the internet about it. But it was just trying to
put connections together and see if I can make one
and one or two and three add up to ten.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
It's not happening.

Speaker 4 (01:01:38):
Yeah, this is we were you know, we were talking
about before the show about emmy chronic fatigua. Yeah, I can't.
I can't quite remember. The term of E is quite
quite long.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
Isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
Yeah, that's why they call it emmy.

Speaker 4 (01:01:49):
Yeah, that's why. That's what it's abbreviated. But yeah, if
if there's any listeners out there which I've had experiences
and do suffer me e, just shoot us an email,
do you know, just kind of idea and see if
there is some kind of connection.

Speaker 5 (01:02:01):
Yeah, because that means when I was diagnosed with it,
it wasn't It's not something they can actually diagnose.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
They have to rule everything else out before they can
diagnose it. And there's no cure. So I don't take
I don't really take medicine for that or anything like that.
You just I've just got to manage my lifestyle, so
I don't work, as I says to you, full time.

Speaker 5 (01:02:19):
I do other things now. And but yeah, it's I
was just curious. It could be nothing, can just be
a coincidence.

Speaker 4 (01:02:26):
Now, I believe you have one more story of the paranormal.
So let's head back to Scotland.

Speaker 5 (01:02:31):
Yeah, so when I worked in Scotland, I'll sort of
leave names out of it. But I work for this hotel,
really good hotel up in Edinburgh, and part of my
job was that I would go four times a year
up to this castle which was owned by American oil tycoons.
And what they would do was they would come over
for a week. They would invite guests. You know, I

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suppose people associate with your company, but they would have
people that I knew, some MPs and senators and they
fly in on private jets.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
And now there's a lot of money involved.

Speaker 5 (01:03:03):
And they had this huge castle, beautiful castle up in Scotland,
and I would go up.

Speaker 7 (01:03:06):
There with so I was an assistant in the kitchen,
there'd be a butler, and there would be some housekeeping
and they would then double up and do waitressing and
that in the evenings, and so there would be about
anywhare between fifteen and twenty gets there.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
They would come.

Speaker 5 (01:03:20):
I would provide them with breakfast, lunch, afternoon tea and dinner.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
So quite a lot to do through the day. So
it was a full on experience.

Speaker 5 (01:03:27):
I'd do the whole week and then go I'm and
have four days off and sleep and rest from it.
And I say, we'd do this sort of four times
a year. So this wasn't part of my contract, but
it was part of what the hotel had been doing
it for a long time, and the previous chefs had
done it, and the wife always demanded it. It was
the executive, the head chef that came and did it
that she wouldn't accept anybody else, So, you know, I
had to do this role.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
So the first time I went back there and it
was a lovely castle. On the back of the castle,
they had put an.

Speaker 5 (01:03:53):
Extension which was in keeping to a degree with the castle,
and that extension had a brand new kitchen. It had
a delivery storage area, fridges and you know, all the
things you needed to sort of do all this sort
of level of cooking. And so it was a pretty
good job. We got paid pretty well for it, got
extra money for it and that. And so the first
time I went up there, we did the job, and

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they had a housekeeper there and when we first arrived,
we were shown a little bit of the castle, so
you know, all the sort of main areas downstairs where
we would be serving food or anything like that. But
they showed us so many other areas, and then in
one of the wings we had our rooms, and we
had lovely rooms, just you know, same as to agree
with what the guests has and so well. The boys
all lived in one end and the girls had another

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area at the other end.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
I had the own room, very.

Speaker 5 (01:04:40):
Nice, and so I was chatting with the housekeeper one day,
and you know, the stories come out that you know year,
this place is haunted.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
You know, it was a very whole castle. Story was
that Rob Roy had been in prison there at one point.
I don't know whether that was true or not, but
that was a story people used to like to tell.
But they've gone through several housekeepers. This one had been
there a couple of years and she wasn't fazed. Obviously
this castle, this castle, like a lot of castles, have
a ghost.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:05:04):
Stories were that they've been seen by the housekeepers, and
some of them had left because they were too scared.
But this lady had said she'd seen the ghost, but
she wasn't bothered by it, and so we were like, okay,
no problem. So another back door to this to the kitchen.
It came out of the kitchen, you went down a
little hallway.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
To the left, we had our lounge, which was for
the staff where we could have a coffee.

Speaker 5 (01:05:23):
There was a TV in there, and there was a
toilet and bathroom shower in there, and then you go
past that and there was the door that took you
out into this what I would say loading bay area
where we got out of delivery, stored all that goods,
had out fridges and all that. And so obviously to
heat the castle was quite expensive. So most of the
doors would always close, and this particular door was very
heavy door, and it was mounted so that when you

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opened it, you let it go, it would firmly close
shut every single time. I'm coming back one day with
my hands full and the door opens and it opens
two or three inches. I heard the click, didn't see
any didn't see the handle or anything move, but I
heard the click and the door just opened a couple
of inches for me, and I was like, oh yeah.

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So I walked through, and I was like a strange,
and so I went into the kitchen. I said, that's bazarre.
I just walked up there and I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
you're seeing ghost, you know, just sort of laughed it off,
and I thought nothing of it. It didn't happen again
for a day or two, and then towards the end
of the visit it happened again. So I came and
on this occasion again my hands were fallowed a couple

(01:06:25):
of boxes in my hand, got to the door. I
heard it click straight away and the door opened a
couple of inches. And you couldn't do that without actually
physically doing it because of the weight of this door
and the way it set, it automatically closed behind you
so that it was obviously you didn't want all the
air and colds get out, and so on this occasion
I said thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
I just went thank you like that.

Speaker 5 (01:06:46):
After that, it opened every time whenever I come to
that door with my hands full, that door opened each
time for me.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Didn't do it for anybody else.

Speaker 5 (01:06:55):
One of the guys who I was with at the
castle one time. It didn't seem to want to do
it when there was people around, but it did on
one occasion. On occasion when David, who was my assistant,
I said to him come out, and he came out
with me, and he was carrying stuff as well, and
I got to the door and door clicked and opened,
and he was freaked out. He didn't want to stay
there anymore. He's don't want to go home sort of thing.

(01:07:17):
I said, I don't worry. You know, you never a
ghost killing anyone.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
What's the matter with you?

Speaker 5 (01:07:20):
So so I don't know what it is, but anyway,
I said, just say thank you, and you know, he
seems to be it seems to be happy with that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
So I then when it happened, going back to sort.

Speaker 5 (01:07:28):
Of first time it happened, I spoke to the housekeeper
at the time and said to her, look, you know
this happened and can't really explain it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
I don't know why.

Speaker 5 (01:07:36):
That's interesting that has happened before, people have said that.
She said, come on, I want to take you and
show you something. So she took me up to one
of the bedrooms. I can't remember what number of the
bedroom was. They all had numbers for the guests. So
she took me into this bedroom and she said, what
do you see? So the bed was all made and
I sort of looked around the room and I looked
at the bed and I said, well, looks like someone's
been laying on that bed. She said, yeah, it does,
doesn't it, she said, And we can't get rid of it.

(01:07:58):
She said, we've changed the changed the mattress, changed everything.
But when you leave them, when you make the bed
and leave the room and come back, she said, someone's
laying on that bed. It looks as if someone's laying
on bed. So she did it for me there and
then she demonstrated she made the bed, smoothed it all out,
no wrinkles left. It really nice, she said, come out
of the room. We came out of the room. We
sat talking for four or five minutes, and then she

(01:08:19):
come and let's go back in. Went back in and
the bed was exactly the same that like someone had
just laying on it and got off. Very bizarre and
happens every time all the time. She said, I don't know,
they don't know what the history. Why would do that?
Or they didn't have like some people say, oh, yeah,
this person died in here, and so it's the ghost
of this old man or this old lady. They didn't
really have a story for it. They said, there's a

(01:08:41):
lot of history with it, but they couldn't say what
was real history. You know, how things go and the
stories get mixed up and sort of you know, exaggerated.
I suppose over time, but there was something definitely, there
was a vibe going on in that castle that was
not normal, I would say.

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Speaker 5 (01:09:36):
So then this continued to happen with the door open
and I was staying there. So on this particular night,
I went to bed. It was a long day, so
I was up at sort of six in the morning
to get the breakfast radio. By the time we'd done dinner,
then we would have something to eat and we'd have
a trink, watch a bit of Telly.

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
I'll go to bed.

Speaker 5 (01:09:52):
I'll get to beared about eleven twelve, you know, back
up against six o'clock next morning. So it's pretty tired.
So I've gone to bed to stay as normal and
then was woken in the night time and it was
definitely sort of middle of the night, two three o'clock
and I woke up because my bedside table was shaking.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
It was rattling, and I woke up and looked at it.

Speaker 5 (01:10:11):
I was I opened my eyes and it was right
in front of me, and I could see everything sort
of rattling around, and the lamp that was on there
sort of rattled along and fell off the table, and
I was like, I thought someone was playing a joke.
So I looked looked down to the floor to the
bed and see if someone had sneaked in, and you know,
I was under the bed with their hands on the legs,
you know, shaking it because that's what I thought it was.
And there was nothing. There was nobody in the roum.
There was nothing there. And then it suddenly stopped, and

(01:10:34):
I thought, okay, so I just you know, I just
turned over and went back to sleep.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
Nothing.

Speaker 5 (01:10:38):
So then my alarm went off at six and I
woke up and I put the light on and I
had two huge sort of walnut or oak, I'm not sure,
but there were two big solid chests of drawers and
a big wardrobe in this room wardrobe doors were open,
and every drawer in those chattoo chests were open to

(01:10:59):
you know, another in the meter and they would have
fallen out, and every single drawer on those things were
all pulled out to this sort of minute spot of
not falling.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
It was bizarre, and I was like, okay, what's that about?

Speaker 5 (01:11:11):
So I don't know what it was about, but you know,
it freaked me out a little bit, and I went
and checked in with the other staff there, said anything
wrong with your rooms?

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
Did you hear anything last night? Note No one heard
a thing. Nothing.

Speaker 5 (01:11:21):
I was like, okay, right, okay, So whether this was
just saying hello or I don't know, but and that's it.
Really that continued. I worked there for what four or
five years and went up there. You know, on all
the occasions there, I never felt any bad presence or
any evil presence. It all seemed to be sort of
good humor. Always say it, thank you and the door
open for me?

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
Was it?

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
Really? Yeah, that's a story.

Speaker 4 (01:11:43):
Interesting. I mean, we've got we've got a helpful spirit,
we got a lazy spirit.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
It may have been two different spirits. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:11:52):
It could have been the same way. It could have
been a different Maybe they were just having a bit
of fun with us, but yeah, it was. It was
very very interesting. And I have to say the lad
who had shown this too, he didn't come back.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
I had another guy come up. He was too nervous.
He didn't like it.

Speaker 5 (01:12:04):
He wasn't in the ghost and you know, so yeah, yeah,
we changed a couple of staff over those sort of
four or five years I was there, but but.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
So, yeah, it was very interesting interesting that yeah. Yeah,
And I mean I would get there.

Speaker 5 (01:12:16):
As soon as I would say thank you, and if
I was the first first time when I was arrived
for that that year, if you like that season and
I was thank you, how you're doing sort of thing,
talk to it like, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
I never got an answer back, but you know, I
just thought it was a bit of fun. Really.

Speaker 8 (01:12:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:12:30):
I lived in an old coach house in Warwickshire and
we had very similar thing there and we'd thank yeah.
You know, so you know you live, you live in
the same place, so why wouldn't you know.

Speaker 5 (01:12:43):
Yeah, you know, don't be hostile being welcoming, you know,
I like to hear people's lot real life experiences.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
Okay, if you don't want to believe them. That's up
to people. But I think you know, most people that
come on your show are pretty genuine like me. Can't
explain what it is, but you know, I've had an
experience of some sort.

Speaker 1 (01:12:59):
You know what it is?

Speaker 5 (01:13:00):
Who knows, but definitely, you know when you see how
many people who had these experiences, I mean, there's a
bit like that report they put out. You know, if
you get ten thousand and one percent of them, you
can't explain. There's still a lot of unexplained UFOs, if
you know what I mean. It's still they can't all
be you know, they can't all be explained, and they
can't all be just you know, made up. There's got
to be something there, you know, because it's worldwide now,

(01:13:21):
isn't it, And it tends to be hotspots. What's interesting is,
because I was thinking about this the other day that
you know, where I am not right next to a base,
but around here is a lot of American bases, you know,
especially in the seventies eighties with the nuclear and all that.
So I wouldn't be surprised if there was more activity
in areas like that because it seems to be you know,
connected to UFOs is these these bases that have got

(01:13:43):
military storage and military weapons and what have you. That
definitely seems to be a sort of common denominator there
with that sort of thing where there's a high sort
of sightings.

Speaker 4 (01:13:54):
Well, Paul, I really appreciate you coming on sharing that
for our listeners today.

Speaker 5 (01:13:57):
No problem, And if anything else happens, I'll just I'll
drop your note, you know, if there's anything else comes up.
I don't know, Yeah, I sort of think I got
a feeling that one that shot across the sky and
gave us that feeling of euphoria.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
Was it was it maybe a goodbye or that they're
away maybe for a time. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:14:13):
But you just don't know, do you so? But if
I have anythink, I'll let you know. I'll drop your line.

Speaker 4 (01:14:17):
That's wonderful, Paul. All right, you enjoyed. You enjoyed the
rest of the day. Okay, mate, all right, take take
care you cheers, cheers, Paul. That is all for this week.
Keep updated and connected with the show on Twitter, Facebook,
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Gareth and Paul for sharing tonight, and thank you all
for listening. I will be back next week. Till then,
stay safe and keep watching the skies. Goodbye,

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