Ep.158 One Cold Dark Night (Throwback)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:01):
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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Speaker 3 (00:08):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Areas thirty one. Do you wish to find a report
of any kind of it?

Speaker 4 (00:18):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
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it was anybody above us to pass us, Like thirty
seconds ago, we were sending one top of golf negative, okay,
OFFI the UFO.

Speaker 5 (00:37):
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Speaker 6 (00:39):
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Speaker 5 (00:43):
I don't know what it was, but it's from at
least to three thousand feet above us.

Speaker 7 (00:47):
See, I passed out over the thought of us.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
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Speaker 8 (00:53):
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Speaker 6 (00:56):
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Speaker 7 (01:02):
To God more calm in on an unidentified object every
Liberty four call or calm on an unidentified flying object.

Speaker 5 (01:13):
A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share
their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had
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Hello and welcome to the show everyone wherever in the
world you are listening from. I hope you're all doing
good this week. I'm Nick Hunter, and you're listening to
the UFO Chronicles podcast and we have I have two
interesting witness accounts tonight, and the first comes from Rich
in Pennsylvania and his experiences of orbs of light in
the early two thousands, flying in an erratic motion and

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hovering above treetops. And then we hear from Alex in
Northampton in the UK about an incident that happened to
him on a cold night in nineteen ninety seven when
he was menaced by a bright light whilst driving. And
then Alex has a few paranormal experiences for things that
have been going on in his house. If you enjoy
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Speaker 1 (03:14):
Welcome to the podcast, Rich, Thank you, good to be here.

Speaker 5 (03:17):
Great having you on.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
Holding from Pennsylvania, correct, Bucks County, Pennsylvania, the Wales Town area.

Speaker 5 (03:23):
That's great. Okay, Now, Rich, you have a couple of
UFO experiences to share with us. Would you like to
start the very beginning please?

Speaker 6 (03:29):
Rich.

Speaker 4 (03:30):
Yes, My first experience that I ever had, i'd say
was about twenty one years ago in the summer, give
or take like a maybe a year. I think there
is definitely a year split between the two, so it's
either twenty one years ago and twenty or twenty two
years ago. In twenty one so I was around twenty

(03:51):
years old, nineteen years old, And I have always been
interested in UFOs, supernatural stuff, paranormal things, and you know,
ever since I was a kid, I'd collect books on like,
you know, the strange and unusual type things, you know,
mysteries and all that kind of stuff. And I had

(04:13):
at some point read that an area very close to
me in New Jersey was kind of a hot spot
for like paranormal activity as in orbs or seeing lights,
and from what I recall from a long time ago,
it was more on the on the lines of it
being a ghost like activity, not UFO type activity. But

(04:37):
I still kind of kept it in mind. And one
summer about twenty one years ago or so, a friend
and I went to an area that was spoken about
in this book, which would be along the river roung
along the Delaware River below Lambertville, and across the river
would in Pennsylvania would be New Hope. But we were

(04:57):
on the Lambertville side and I, you know, I said,
do you want to go? And you know, just go
look at the stars, go out into a dark area
and just watch the skies. And I fully expected just
to see meteors, you know, or just maybe a satellite
because it's a little bit darker there, not too much,
but you could still see a satellite if you really
had a keen eye. And it was clear out. So

(05:20):
we went to We were driving north up the river
on River Road ray Pulo, Lambertville. We turned right and
then pulled over on the side of the road where
it was nice and dark, and there was like a
small little field next to us, and we respectively sat
on both sides of my pickup truck in the back,

(05:41):
and I was sitting facing north and they were sitting
facing south, and you know, just looking up at the stars,
just enjoying, you know, a quiet night, just talking, shooting
the shit. And the tree line I think they were
kind of deciduous trees, but they might have been of trees.

(06:01):
They so they were about like sixty seventy eighty feet tall.
And I was just watching the silhouette of the trees
against the against the sky, and within my line of
sight an orb that looked like it wasn't an object.

(06:21):
It wasn't a solid object. It seemed like it was
made out of light, like just all the particles were
just light. There was no shiny surface, there was no
emanation or it wasn't emanating from anywhere. It was just
self illuminating. And it didn't illuminate the tops of the trees,
which was kind of weird. But it was probably about

(06:46):
ten to fifteen feet wide, and it just illuminated out
of nowhere at the top of the tree line, not
even high in the sky, not far from me at all.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
It illuminated out of.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
Nowhere and then went across the tree line about three
hundred four hundred feet and I watched it the whole way.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
It wasn't moving very fast at all, but it was.

Speaker 4 (07:11):
A very smooth transition from one area to the other.
Took only a couple seconds to move, and then it
just disappeared as abruptly as it came into existence, and
I just freaked out. I was like, did you see that?
Did you see that? Nope, up, We'll get out of here.

(07:33):
So jumped in the car, drove away real quick. And
that really stuck with me. And I haven't really told
many people about it, but it stuck with me, and
it totally. I've never been the you know, the skeptic
who was like, well when I see it, I'll believe it.
I've always been a believer, but it was still a
very scary moment to see that and then what it means,

(07:58):
you know, like not knowing what it is is that
was kind of a that was kind of like an
interesting thing, like is it self piloting?

Speaker 6 (08:06):
You know?

Speaker 4 (08:08):
I didn't think of it as there was an entity inside,
but like was this, you know, like some kind of
probe is like what are these? I have no idea,
but it's still scared, scared crap out of me. So
I had to get out of there. And then the
next year summertime as well, I had been doing some

(08:32):
seasonal work and there was like a seasonal employee with
me that I was getting to know, and it turns
out that they lived in that area or they live
in that area, and their parents were the caretakers of
really big est states literally less than probably about a

(08:53):
quarter to a half mile from where I had seen
the orb the year before, and I had told them
all about, you know, I saw orb there. Do you
see things? And they were like, yeah, we see things
all the time. Because their land had this little peak
where you can it was it was treeless and it
was a large open field and you can just sit

(09:13):
on that peak and watch the area all around, including
looking west towards Pennsylvania over the river. So we one
night we made the plan to go there and just sit,
sit out and look on a really nice night. And
this time I came prepared. I actually brought binoculars with

(09:35):
me this time, and we were.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Sitting looking at the sky again fully.

Speaker 4 (09:39):
Expecting to just see, you know, some shooting stars here
and there, and that's it. And I was looking over
at the Pennsylvania side less than a mile away, probably
three quarters of.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
A mile away.

Speaker 4 (09:52):
I saw this weird, shaky light start to come up
from behind the tree, and I could just see it,
you know, with my normal you know, with my normal eyesight.
But I still had the binoculars, thankfully, and I took
you know, I took a look at it, and it
looked like it was roughly, I guess, the size of

(10:14):
like a shed or like a like a compact car,
and it had one solid light in the middle with
four lights projecting from the corners as if it was
like north northwest northeast, like those corners, not not north
southeast west.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
And those lights kind of had this.

Speaker 4 (10:38):
Rainbowie glare effect, and I thought for a second that
maybe that might have been the binoculars that I had,
but that light emanating still had that effect when I
wasn't using the binoculars as well, So I kept a
watch on it. And back then, you know, I had
a phone with me that had like, you know, camera capabilities,

(10:59):
but they're nothing like they are now. So it just
looked like a speck of light, you know. Really, it
didn't even come up on my camera phone at all.
The thing that really got me about it was it
didn't move like how I expected something like a UFO
to move. It kind of had an insectile type movement.

(11:20):
It was very erratic and jerky. It didn't do it
very quick. It wasn't doing anything that was out of
the capability of like a human can do, but to
be dangling something I guess the size of a truck
that has a light in the middle and bounce it
around and float it. Probably it went above the tree line,

(11:40):
probably about sixty seventy eighty feet somewhere in there, and
it just hung in the air without any noise. You know,
there were no helicopter, it wasn't a plane. It was
just silent and it just hung in the air and
kind of vibrated around in just erratic oceans and it

(12:01):
just float. It just floated there, and it was lighting
things up. And I was thinking, like, is there somebody
on the other side here that could see this from below?
Like is there there has to be another witness over
there seeing this? And the area that I had been
looking at was kind of like definitely like a tree area,
like a wooded area, wasn't where homes are built, so

(12:23):
I was kind of like curious, like if somebody else
from the other side had to see this, because it
was really big and so bright, and it did its
weird kind of vibration movements all the way back down
behind the tree line again and then it was gone,
And that one didn't really scare me as much, but
I definitely thought it was unusual that the two times

(12:48):
that I went to go look for UFOs and to
go and you know, search them out on my own,
I was given the opportunity to see these things. And
you know, thinking about it all these years later, you know,
like it seems like a strange coincidence that I'd be
looking at the tree line at that exact moment when

(13:08):
the orb came into existence and moved across, and to
go out with somebody who told me that they see
them all the time, and then to get to see one.
I just thought it was very strange and the coincidences
are unusual there, And you know, I don't know if
there's some kind of intelligence that's behind it, or perhaps

(13:32):
I'm not sure if I believe in the CE five
thing that I think his name's Brear is doing, but
perhaps it was a primitive form of the CE five
where you know, you call onto it and you meditate
on it, and then there's some kind of psychic connection
between like maybe maybe I called it into to cite

(13:56):
or something. I'm I'm not really sure, but I thought
that was kind of kind of unusual that the two
times in the same location I was.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
I was given an experience that.

Speaker 4 (14:07):
I already fully believed in something out there, whether it
be extra tresh nuts and bolts or probes, but to
actually get to see it both times, you know, it
was just it definitely like it gave me what I
needed to fully reconcile like it. Yes, there are nsts

(14:30):
out there that are beyond us, and you know, they
have us under the microscope instead of us putting.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
Them under it.

Speaker 4 (14:37):
And I had a I've had a few smaller experiences,
not as crazy at my current home in the past
two years. If you'd like me to to mention those,
the ones, the one I actually didn't witness myself because
I was looking the wrong direction.

Speaker 6 (14:59):
Would you like me to.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
To talk about those?

Speaker 5 (15:01):
Yeah, She'll go ahead, right.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
So, during the during the during the lockdowns, the pandemic
of when it when it hit in March.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
I guess home, I guess it's almost two years ago now.

Speaker 4 (15:13):
We were I had built a fire pit, so we
spent most of our nights during the summer and the
fall just out with you know, with a fire pit
and just looking up at the sky. And I will admit,
we are below a where the planes fly north and
south from Philadelphia to New York and d C up

(15:34):
to up to New York and all that kind of stuff.
So I'm familiar with seeing the flights, and I'm familiar
with the planes that go over, and I'm familiar with
the local We have a we have a small local
airport that just has prop planes. They don't fly very
high and they're very loud, so to to kind of,
you know, if if we're going to be staring at

(15:55):
the sky and we have all this interference, you know,
I decided to download the those apps that are I
downloaded the flight Tracker app so I can identify planes
that are flying and they're in active on on like
active time on the actual app. You can actually you know,
see the type of plane it is, the height it's

(16:16):
flying at, and so on and so forth. And they
normally go north to south, south, north and then I
also picked up the satellite tracker app mostly because I
wanted to see if I can catch sight of the ISS.
At some point we one night we were I guess
this was about eight o'clock, eight thirty ish probably, we were.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
Just watching the sky.

Speaker 4 (16:38):
We were watching I guess, uh, south southwest type direction,
and this light probably about sixty thousand feet was moving
across the sky from west to east and it was
a solid light, wasn't blinking. And I motioned to my

(17:01):
partner and I said, do you see that? And she
was like absolutely, and then about a second later, it
actually lit up. It got extremely bright, moved across the
sky about like five six degrees or so, and then
it dimmed down again and then flew across the sky
a little bit further another like ten to fifteen degrees,

(17:23):
and then disappeared. That was kind of that was that
was really interesting too. That's the one where I'd say, like,
I'm not sure it could it could.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Have been a satellite.

Speaker 4 (17:36):
But that one was really really interesting because she and
I both got the witness it together. But there was
another night that I had a couple friends over with
my partner and I was watching watching the south and
they were all sitting facing the other way, and my
partner said, what's that and my buddy goes, planes don't

(17:58):
move like that, and I was like, what do you?
I started dancing around, like what are you talking about?

Speaker 6 (18:02):
Where is it?

Speaker 4 (18:03):
They were like, yeah, no, no, that things don't move
like that. That's crazy, and I was like, what happened?
Will happened? And the way they described it was it
was kind of like a I guess, just a neutral light,
like a white light, and it moved in a zigzag
almost pattern at speeds that shouldn't be done by human

(18:27):
like humans, like it was making ninety degree turns, essentially,
and it went across the entire sky, zigzagging back and forth.
And by the time I got oriented to look, it
was already behind the tree and it was already out
of sight. And that one I wish I did get
to see. That had to be really great for them

(18:48):
to actually witness that one. But other than that, I
really don't have too many experiences. I don't have any
paranormal experiences or anything like that.

Speaker 5 (19:02):
Good Rich, Now you're two scions, which happened twenty one
years ago, and there they were both in the same
Genuar area. Yes, and it's interesting that you know you
friended Sin. It's a it's a regular occurrence right there.

Speaker 4 (19:14):
Yeah, you know, I thought, you know, like, sure it is,
because even back then I had interest in the you know,
outer space and UFOs and all that kind of stuff,
not even necessarily extra extraterrestrials. I'm not even really sure
if that's what it is, right, but I was thinking, sure,
I know more than her, So when we get there,

(19:37):
I'll be like, no, that's a satellite, dear, or whatever,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
But she was right, and she absolutely delivered.

Speaker 4 (19:45):
It was it was incredible, like like I couldn't believe it.

Speaker 5 (19:50):
And have you visited the area recently?

Speaker 1 (19:53):
No, no, I have no.

Speaker 4 (19:54):
I have no real reason to go out there. It's
not too far. But you know that that's when I
was younger, and I had free time to go do
stuff like that and be able to just kind of
go sit in a field other than my backyard kind
of thing.

Speaker 5 (20:07):
But saying that, you know, plenty of fiends can be
seen in your backyard. I mean, as long as people
remember that that there are a lot of satellites up there.
You know, we have endless amounts of bodies of satellites
flying around, and but a lot of them they just
fly in one direction at one casual speed.

Speaker 6 (20:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (20:26):
But when they stop moving around changing directions zigzaging, which
you know you can see, you know, seeing them out here,
it's satellites just don't do that.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
Yeah, exactly so, And that's why I picked up.

Speaker 4 (20:38):
Those two apps in the first place, just to be
able to rule out what these things can be like
if we if we really do feel like we saw something.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
You know, here here goes two at least.

Speaker 4 (20:51):
Semi reliable apps to be able to take out planes
as a thing and then.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Satellites as a thing.

Speaker 6 (20:57):
You know.

Speaker 4 (20:58):
Granted there are secret saddles, lights and all that, you know,
but that's why you got to use like what you said,
they satellites don't do zigzag motions at speeds that are unbelievable,
that's right.

Speaker 5 (21:11):
I mean, I use that twenty four hour radar app
and it's really it's really good. You can see a
light in the distance and it just looks old, and
then you check the app and then yep, it's a
it's a plane, it's a helicopter in a distance, you know,
And it's it's a great app to use. Actually you
can even actually go back two weeks as well, which
is a never good time. And then and all this
kind of sparked your interest.

Speaker 4 (21:31):
Well you know it, it's it's always been something I'm
interested in. It's just like if you if you get
interested in space in general, and then you hear things
like words like infinity, you know, like there's an infinite universe.
You know, it's just it's so impossible to wrap your
mind around it that like it just it's it just

(21:53):
seems to just draw me towards it. And to think that,
you know, we're the only conscious thing in that universe
is kind of ridiculous. And at a very young age,
I definitely thought that and believe that. And you know,
even if it's just even if it's even it's just
like a natural phenomenon that we aren't that.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
We don't have the.

Speaker 4 (22:19):
You know, we're we're able to see a small cone
of light, right, We're able to see ROYGBIV and with
technology we can see X ray. We can see all
these other you know whatever, but we might not. We
just might not have the capability or the correct tools
or body parts to be able to sense what's really

(22:41):
going on around us, because there's so many more levels
that we're unaware of. Maybe it's just a natural phenomenon
throughout the entire universe. And even that ORB could be
just you know, a spark that's flying through our universe
that happens everywhere all the time, and I just happened
to see one and that's it. You know, they could

(23:03):
be you know, I don't know, on a interdimensional you know,
when everybody says that, it starts to get a little wooy.
But you know, they could be interdimensional beings. They could
be living on another dimension. And when we're seeing these orbs,
we're just seeing the shadow from the other dimensions, just
like how the third dimension casts a shadow onto the second.

(23:25):
We might just be seeing that what we can see
from from their interference or the movement through the universe
and our solar system. And you know, they could just
be as plentiful as insects here but throughout the universe.
You know, you never know. So I've always been interested
in it, and you know, I try not to. I

(23:48):
haven't really told those stories. I might have told like
two or three people, but like you know, I'm more
than willing to talk about this with anybody because I
am a believer and always have been. You know that
you can't answer everything, and this seems plausible, especially with.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
All the evidence that's coming out or all the videos.

Speaker 5 (24:07):
Rather, that's right, and they will be more, Yes, absolutely,
you know, and so many people have these science experiences
and they just just don't tell people.

Speaker 4 (24:17):
Yeah, you know, I've been holding on to it for
twenty you know, over twenty years. Now, this is the opportunity,
twenty years later, I've been given to then tell my story.
You know, it took twenty years for a respected podcast
to form and start compiling people's experiences, and they're comfortable

(24:39):
telling them, you know, and at least it's getting out
there instead of just being a crackpot or the weird
guy at work.

Speaker 5 (24:47):
Exactly. I guess on before and it's been fifty sixty
odd years with the first people they have told.

Speaker 4 (24:54):
Yeah, that's incredible, but you know that says a lot.
You know, it's a community and it's not bound by
anything other than this belief and experiences we've had. You know,
it's pretty cool.

Speaker 5 (25:06):
Exactly. I really appreciate you coming on sharing that for
our listeners.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
Rich all right, thank you very much.

Speaker 5 (25:10):
Okay, rich you take care of yourself, all right, and
enjoy what time left you have.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Of all right, thanks, take careage, take care of now.

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Speaker 6 (26:32):
Welcome to the show, Alex, Hi, Nick, thank you.

Speaker 5 (26:35):
It is great to have you come on today and
you're calling from Northampton in the UK.

Speaker 6 (26:40):
H I am indeed, Yeah, excellent stuff.

Speaker 5 (26:42):
Okay, your first experience is going to take us back
to the nineties, the good old days. Would you like
to begin there for us b's.

Speaker 6 (26:49):
Alex Yeah, sure, okay.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
So this goes back to I think it was about
October nine in nineteen ninety seven. I think I must
have been around nineteen or twenty at the time, and
the story starts basically on a car journey.

Speaker 6 (27:07):
At that time, I was living in Milton Keynes in
buckingham shere in.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
The UK, and I just started seeing a girl, you know,
youthful love and all of that. I started seeing a
girl in Northampton. Northampton.

Speaker 6 (27:19):
For listeners that don't know, it's probably around kind of
fifteen sixteen miles north of Milton Keynes.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
So it was about eight o'clock at night, and they're
going to say it was I know it was October
because it was a really cold night. It was October
November because it's really really cold and I know this
because at the time I was driving the nineteen sixties
VW Bug and any of your listeners know that have
those cars. The heating is not the best, they're slow,

(27:48):
they're old, and they're ratley, and it's sort of set
off on this journey up to Northampton from Milton Keynes,
and I didn't go the main route is to go
up the m one go the motorway. Got a car
like that that's not very reliable or safe. You kind
of stick to the backway or the back roads, and
there's a couple of roads that you can take. There's
one that goes through a lot of lovely little villages,

(28:11):
and there's one that kind of goes on the A five,
which is a dual carriageway, and that goes via a little.

Speaker 6 (28:16):
Town called Toaster. So that was the way I chose
that night.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
I went up on the A five to Toaster, and then
from Toaster there's the A forty three, which is a
dual carriage ey road that goes all the way into
Northampton pretty much.

Speaker 6 (28:30):
So that's what I did.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
So i'd gone past Toaster, I was driving down the
A forty three, now the A forty three between Toaster
and Northampton is quite a long stretch of road.

Speaker 6 (28:44):
It's a dual carriageway. It's quite rural. There's no street lights,
you know.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
It's one of those ones where you put your full
beam on and cuts through kind of little wooded areas
and what have you. And a few miles from Toaster
as a stretch that cuts through a little wooded area
near a village called Holcot. And I know it's called
Hulkok because since since this happened, I've kind of checked
it out on the maps and everything kind of like, ah,

(29:12):
that's that would.

Speaker 6 (29:13):
Be where roundabout where it would have been.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
So driving down this road, coldest car in the world,
scraping my breath off the windscreen, you know kind of thing.
Gritters were sort of passing you on the way. And
then I got to this stretch and and and.

Speaker 6 (29:33):
This is what I remember from the experience, from from
the event. It was really really still.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
You know, there was no there was no reason to
not pass cars at eight o'clock at night on what
is the main road.

Speaker 6 (29:44):
But I just just remember it not passing anything.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
I didn't see any lights, I did, there was nothing
else around but me on the road. And I went
past a bit of a curve, a gentle curve in
the dual carriageway, and in my rear view mirror, the.

Speaker 6 (30:01):
Attention caught me of a really bright light. It wasn't
in the sky. It was at road level, you know,
it was at road level.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
And it was a single light. It wasn't headlights, there
wasn't dual headlights of what I assume was a car.

Speaker 6 (30:17):
Didn't think anything of.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
It, looked at the rear view mirror, probably glanced back
at the speedo or the steering wheel a split second
a second, looked back in the rearview mirror and it
was behind me.

Speaker 6 (30:32):
Now, whatever this was, it must.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
Have cleared a good i don't know, eight hundred yards
in a split second.

Speaker 6 (30:41):
It was right there.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
And obviously, you know, I assumed it was just an
idiot on a motorbike. And I say an idiot, because
why would someone go that fast, especially on a cold, frosty,
icy night, and effectively kind of come right up behind you.
So I didn't think too much of it in that second.

(31:08):
But what I suddenly noticed is that the light that
was behind me, you know when cars have like they
put their full beam on on especially in the dark road,
and it kind of illuminates everything.

Speaker 6 (31:20):
You know.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
This was full beam plus ten. You know, the light
that was shining from off my it felt like off
my back bumper. It was so close, just kind of
lit up the whole of the inside of the car,
my hands on the steering wheel.

Speaker 6 (31:36):
I remember I could see my hairs on the back
of my hands. You know, it was that bright.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
And I obviously thought, well, I'm on a dual bit
of roads. He can get past me.

Speaker 6 (31:47):
He can overtake me. But he didn't. It stayed there.
It stayed there as a light. It stayed there.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
What I thought at the time maybe on full beam,
absolutely bright light.

Speaker 6 (31:58):
And then.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
And this is where the strangeness kind of kicks in
the light. I could feel warmth from it.

Speaker 6 (32:08):
Now, you know, you don't feel warmth off a headlight.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
You don't feel warmth off a light. And I could
feel it on the back of my head. And I
could feel this warmth and the light. And I should
have described this light.

Speaker 6 (32:22):
Really the light was almost tinged blue.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
Now some cars back then you don't see it as
much now maybe, but I remember maybe about fifteen years ago,
police cars used to have really really blue headlights.

Speaker 6 (32:40):
It was like that.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
It was a really really blue light, almost like electricity
where it's white but you get that kind of.

Speaker 6 (32:47):
Hue of blue around it. So of course this light
it was white, it was bright, it was blue, and
it was warm, and I thought, that's not that's not
a bike. And then I felt really anxious, you know,
I felt really frightened by it.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
So the natural reaction was I flowed the accelerator, you know,
pretty useless in that car, you know, it kind of
it kind of went from sort of limps from fifty
miles an hour to about fifty two. You know, it's
sort of trying to get trying to get away from
this thing. And the faster I went, the more it

(33:30):
absolutely just didn't go away.

Speaker 6 (33:32):
There wasn't even there wasn't even like a lag. As
I went a bit faster, it was just still there.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
So I then thought, and this must have been what
seconds of thinking process here, I thought, well, I'll ease
off the accelerator. If I slowed down, it will go
around me.

Speaker 6 (33:53):
But it didn't. I slowed down.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
It maintained its presence, I guess behind me, and then
within a second or two it that was it it
went just didn't exist anymore. The light just went the car.
The inside of the car returned, pitched black, vanished. I

(34:17):
guess my initial reaction was stupid sod was you know,
he's come off his bike, you know, That's what I thought,
because we hadn't passed.

Speaker 6 (34:26):
There was no turnings on this little bit of this
little bit of road.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
And even if there was a turning and someone was
pulling off, you'd have you'd have seen them break and
drop back, wouldn't you that? You know that that distance
would have sort of receded.

Speaker 6 (34:42):
But there wasn't that at all. The light was there
and then it wasn't there.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
So my reaction then was he must have come off
his bike, that that must have happened.

Speaker 6 (34:54):
So I stopped, I pulled over, I stopped, put my hazards.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
On, got out of the car, sort of trotted down
down the road a little bit, called out but as
I said, it was still there was. There was no
sound at all. There was no bike wheel spinning, there
was no moaning. There was just there was nothing. There
was nothing there, nothing there at all. I got back

(35:18):
in the car. I was pretty pretty out by it,
and carried on to where I was going carried on
to my girlfriend's house in Northampton, which took me probably
about another fifteen ten or fifteen minutes to get there.

Speaker 6 (35:31):
Got in, got to.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
My girlfriend's house, and you'd been there about ten or
fifteen minutes. I started to and I told her what happened.
I said, the weirdest thing has happened to me. I
was sort of talking about it, and then as we
were talking, I started to get really really bad headaches.
And I'm someone that doesn't get headaches at all, but
this was, you know, a searingly bad headache that I

(35:56):
started to feel, you know, like those four alarmed kind
of hangovers, that kind of it feels like you're behind
your eyes, you know, kind of bad headaches, and started
to feel quite sick. We'd kind of convinced ourselves about
the story that yeah, it was just a thing. We
couldn't explain it, and that was that. And I say,
we were at the staying overage yet, so I sort

(36:20):
of said, look, you know, I'm not feeling well at all.

Speaker 6 (36:22):
I'm going to take myself back.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
So drove back home pretty much just went to bed
to paracetamol.

Speaker 6 (36:30):
You know, I'll sleep this off in the morning. I
woke up that night about three or four am, I guess.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
I mean, I didn't look at the clock, but you know,
you can tell when it's you've been asleep for it
for a while.

Speaker 6 (36:45):
And I was the coughing woke me up. I woke
up coughing, and I was laying in my bed laying
on my back, which I don't think I do. I mean,
maybe if you ask my wife, and she prodded me,
I'm snoring, maybe maybe I do. There my that.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
But I woke up coughing, laying on my back, and
the weirdest part was my arms were crossed across my chest.
And the only way I can describe it is like
Dracula sleeps in the coffin with the arms and the
hands kind of on the shoulder, cross crossed against the chest.
And blood was pouring up and I was pouring down
the back of my throat, and that that's what was

(37:23):
making me cough.

Speaker 6 (37:26):
I was completely without covers on my bed.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
My duvet was was piled in the corner of my room.

Speaker 6 (37:34):
And you know, it was just so so strange.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
And I remember my windows were kind of half the
blinds or whatever were half kind of closed and my
windows were full of condensation, just dripping with kind of condensation.
I didn't feel hard, I didn't have a fever, I
didn't feel I was coming down with something. I just
woke up coughing up coffin blood, nose bleeding, with no
covers on, and sleeping like Dracula. Was fine, I guess.

(38:03):
But for a week after that, you know, I had.

Speaker 6 (38:05):
Regular nose bleeds, regular nausea, regular headaches. And then after
about four or five days, maybe a week, it.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
Just suddenly stopped, you know, as if nothing happened, and
I didn't think anything else about it.

Speaker 6 (38:22):
It was you got on with your life. I mean
I was, what nineteen twenty years old.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
You don't think about things like that, you know, just
got on with things. Then fast forward to about two
thousand and two. I was working and I had a
job in the evening.

Speaker 6 (38:42):
I was working one evening.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
And some colleagues were talking about strange lights in the sky,
you know, one of those kind of things that these
people are kind of just chatting about all, you know,
sea lights in the sky and a bit of a
throwaway conversation, and I chimed in and sort of said, ah,
now you come to think of it, I had a
bit of a weird thing once with a weird light

(39:04):
and started to tell this story and probably the first
time I've kind of really spoken.

Speaker 6 (39:09):
To anybody about it.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
And then another colleague, and again it was an older lady,
kind of someone that knew the local area, kind of
was kind of very involved in the local area, and
she just kind of just threw it in there really
kind of matter of factly said, oh, you were probably
just scanned.

Speaker 6 (39:31):
And the course, sorry, what hold on? What did you say?
What are you talking about?

Speaker 3 (39:37):
And she kind of went on to sort of expound
what she said, and she sort of expressed a view that, oh,
in that area, she knows that the fair few people
have seen lights and she said, oh, they whatever, it
was just scanned you and didn't find what they were
looking for and let you get on with things. And

(40:02):
that was really my first kind of connection with what
I saw might have been.

Speaker 6 (40:10):
Strange or UFO. You know, I wasn't.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
I was never a fan of X files, you know,
that't mind Star Trek, but you know, that was not
that was not my bag. And and she said that, yes,
you know, she's heard that cars are scanned. People regularly
see around that part of England, you know, lights and
things things like that, which I have to say I've
never been able to verify since then. You know, I

(40:36):
have googled lights around the A forty three, UFO sightings,
the A forty three and the nineties, you know when
that happened. I've never read anything. So if there is
anybody out there that that can corroborate what this lady
said and they know otherwise, then yeah, I'd be really

(40:56):
interested to know. So they go, I mean, you know,
did I have a lucky escape from something scanned? You know,
fish taken out the pond and then kind of popped back.

Speaker 6 (41:09):
Who knows.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
I've always been very skeptical since that happened. I've had
a loose interest that has increased, you know, hence Nick
me kind of listening to your podcast in the first place.

Speaker 6 (41:25):
And it was only really kind of listening to.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
Your podcast that sort of prompted me to kind of
get in touch. Because of all the stories that you've
had from people, lights and things like that, I think
maybe I should maybe this, Maybe there was some credence
in what I experienced.

Speaker 6 (41:46):
So yeah, so that's that's that's the first story. That's
the first part.

Speaker 5 (41:50):
Interesting stuff, Alex. I bet you wish you kept that
VW L.

Speaker 6 (41:54):
I do, but I've since bought other ones.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
It's I'm surprised it actually got anywhere because I think
not long after that it felt its mot because you
could pretty much fall through the bottom of the floor.
So yeah, it's long it's long since deceased.

Speaker 6 (42:13):
Sadly that car.

Speaker 5 (42:14):
Yeah, my first car was a Talbot Sunbeam.

Speaker 6 (42:17):
Oh nice. Yeah, that was old as well.

Speaker 5 (42:20):
Yeah, I mean I was nineteen eighty three. That was
That was a year in a car that was It
was a late night as I had that, probably about
the same time you had your VW and the suspension.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Went Mim was the nineteen sixty nine Volkswagen Beat. I'd
always wanted one and it was my first car. I
was desperate to have it. And as you know, if
you have owned old cars, they give you a life
of pain for every day of pleasure.

Speaker 5 (42:46):
It was the choke every winter.

Speaker 6 (42:49):
Mine was just no heating.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
I mean, that's what was really funny about sort of recounting.
I think you know these things that sort of stay
in your head because you know, the car was really cold,
the night was really cold, you know, and maybe it's
that kind of experiential thing that you know, it's more sensations,
isn't it.

Speaker 6 (43:08):
You know, it was dark, it was cold, the car
was cold.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
The car didn't go very well, and certainly when I
flawed it, it was kind of like rattling.

Speaker 6 (43:18):
Apart trying to get every bit of life.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
And of course, you know when you drive a beat
or you've got your engine in the back and it's
just all of this like.

Speaker 4 (43:26):
Clank clank, clank, clank clank, tank clank, clank, clank, clank, clank,
clank clang.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
From the back, and that probably maybe in some ways
heightened the experience of seeing this astronomically. And I can't
I can't downplay how bright this light was. You know,
it's not it wasn't full beam. You know when you're

(43:50):
in a car and you can flicker a little switch
on your mirror these days, can't you, and it kind
of dims the beam. There was nothing dim in this,
you know, it was it was light as day and
it was kind of so bright that you know, I've
tried to think before doing doing this conversation with you.

(44:10):
I tried to kind of reflect back and we're talking
like twenty odd years ago. And but I tried to
reflect back and you know, if I could put a
size on it, what would I say it would have been?

Speaker 6 (44:19):
And I can't. You know, as I said, I saw
it once and in the rear view.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
Mirror eight hundred yards away around the bend, it looked
like a headlight. Split second later it consumed pretty much
the entire back window of the car in the rear
view mirror. Yeah, just just just the oddest thing, really
was the oddest thing.

Speaker 5 (44:45):
The interesting thing is the heat that you felt.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
Yeah, and it was and that was the trigger I
think for me thinking and for me feeling quite scared
and quite anxious. It's because I shouldn't feel heat a light,
you know, you.

Speaker 6 (45:02):
Don't do it.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
It's it's it's it's something that you don't feel. But
there was there was definite warmth from the back of it.
And you know, if this would have been in July,
maybe you didn't feel it. But that the fact of
the matter is, you know, it was so frosty and
so cold that, especially in that.

Speaker 6 (45:20):
Car, any heat was a bonus, you know what I mean.
But I didn't I didn't want that heat.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
You know that that was that was something that was
highly unusual, highly strange, and made me frightened. And I think,
you know, I didn't come over this sort of wave
of of sort of fear. I think it was more
a split second fear because it was something that wasn't normal,
you know, and when something's not normal, you kind of

(45:46):
try and go, Okay, well, I'm now a bit unperturbed.
I'm scared. I'm this shouldn't be happening. This is not
this is not what, this is not what I expected
to happen. I think that on the unexpected isn't it's
not what I expected to feel from at the time,
I just assumed it was a maniac on a high
powered motorbike. But the fact it blinked out and I

(46:10):
would snap my fingers when I do that. You know,
it didn't fade away, It didn't slow down, it didn't
veer to the right or the left. It was just
there and then it was gone. It disappeared into another realm.
It just that was it. It wasn't there anymore. Yeah,
that was that added to my fear.

Speaker 6 (46:30):
But I still pulled over.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
Just no, I still pulled over because you know, that
split second and we're talking this must have been You
reflect back, don't you in with memory, and you kind
of think, oh, that must have been all probably five minutes.

Speaker 6 (46:44):
It wouldn't have been. It would have been.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
A matter of four or five seconds probably, you know,
you kind of think, well, maybe it was thirty seconds.
It can't have been. It can't have been any more
than a few seconds all in all. But you know,
at that time, to make sense of it, I genuinely
thought that it must have been a bike that had
an accident.

Speaker 6 (47:04):
What else would you think?

Speaker 3 (47:05):
You know, now, if that happened to me, I'd be straight.
I'd probably be straight on the on the phone to
you and sort of say, hey, this has happened again.
But no, you know, back then in the nineties, and
the other thing important thing to say as well. And
I've just sort of thought about this. You know, this
was nineteen ninety seven. I didn't have a mobile phone.
You know, it's you pull over there. There was there

(47:28):
was no calling the police. There was no texting my
girlfriend and saying, you know, getting her on FaceTime and
saying I've had the weirdest thing. You know, you just
kind of you got on with it. You got back
in the car and you got on with it, and
so yeah, so I think, you know, that's that was
something that sticks out as well. You know, you I
felt very very vulnerable and very alone on that as

(47:51):
I said, very very empty road.

Speaker 5 (47:53):
And that's been quite scary. And you know, you cannot
you cannot escape the fact that whatever you did encounter,
it had an effect on you. You know, you felt
the heat, followed by the headaches, the nawsiar the nose bleeds.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
Well, I mean, and this is the thing as a
healthy skeptic nick you know, were the nose bleeds the
headaches connected, you know, you could say no, I think
the fact that it happened within about fifteen maybe half
an hour, fifteen minutes, half an hour.

Speaker 6 (48:26):
After what I had.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
Yeah, maybe I was just I stressed myself out too much,
I don't know, but going home and then just having
the you know, the amount of blood that was pouring
out my nose and the headaches that I had for
a week afterwards. But no other symptoms, you know, no
flu like symptoms, no sore throat, nothing like that. It
was just just a headache and those bleeds.

Speaker 6 (48:52):
You know.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
And then of course, as I said, you know, you
can sign that to you put it in a box,
and you put it back on the shelf, and you
get on with your life. And I said it was
only years later that I.

Speaker 6 (49:05):
Told that story in a group of people in kind
of kind of oh yeah, I've got a funny story.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
And then somebody kind of sort of slammed you back
down to earth and sort of said, oh yeah, yeah,
oh yeah, I can quite quite honestly believe that, And
that's what happens.

Speaker 6 (49:19):
Why so, yeah, strange.

Speaker 5 (49:23):
I don't really ever really like to put words in
pures and maryes. But there wasn't There doesn't seem to
be any time difference.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
No, And I think no, and I have kind of
thought of that, you know, sort of missing time. I
guess we're talking about not at all. And this is
why I was really conscious to say, you know, within
about ten minutes, I was at my destination. You know,
I wasn't I wasn't late for saying, you know, oh,
I'm going to set off at I don't know, quarter
past seven.

Speaker 6 (49:49):
I'll be I'll be with you at eight kind of thing.
I was there. I was there when I said I
was going to be there. There was no kind of like,
where have you been, you've been ages or did you
break down? Nothing like that. I was.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
I was there exactly when I said I was going
to be there. So you know, when you hear stories
like that, you know, and some people will say, you know, well,
I started there and then the next time I kind
of looked, I was about half a mile down the
road or no, nothing, nothing like that. If it was,
I'd have been meets down the road. This all happened
really quickly, and there was there was nothing that would

(50:23):
have suggested that I was missing for any period of
that time at all. In some ways, I wish I
kind of was, because it would kind of make more
sense of the maybe the story I'm telling.

Speaker 6 (50:33):
But no, it was. It was there, it was, then
it went, it went.

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Speaker 5 (51:19):
But just you know, just the sheer fact that you
did come in contact. You know, you're you're close enough
to feel the heat. So this is maybe your you know,
your your body's reaction to you know, whatever whatever energy
source you kind of come in contact with.

Speaker 6 (51:34):
Yeah, I mean, and I think you know, in in
hindsight now and doing the kind of I'm not I'm not.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
A UFO researcher, but by any means at all, I
take a healthy interest. I like, I like to listen
to people's experiences because I think everyone's got credence in
their experiences in the same.

Speaker 6 (51:55):
Way I have. But whatever, whatever that light was the heat,
and I do believe the heat and the sheer power
of it left a physical touch.

Speaker 8 (52:08):
You know.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
It wasn't something I saw from a distance. This was
something that was right behind me and was hot. It
was it was warm, There was there was energy.

Speaker 6 (52:21):
Yeah, there was a sense of there was a sense of.

Speaker 3 (52:24):
Presence there, you know in many ways, you know, kind
of close encounter thing. You know, there was an interaction.
It interacted with me in the sense of heat and
light that I didn't ask for, that I didn't expect
and quite frankly that I've never seen again, and I'm
not too bothered if I don't see it again.

Speaker 6 (52:45):
To be perfectly honest with.

Speaker 5 (52:46):
You, interesting, have you ever discovered any ailments or anything
later in life, not necessarily directly after it happened?

Speaker 6 (52:54):
No, nothing, nothing that I could ever put my finger on.
As I said, you know, you know I haven't had
like an itchy finger and then sort of expelled an
implant or anything like that. You know, I am a
fairly regular, run of the mill sort of person without
any without many elments. In fact, I don't very rarely

(53:14):
get ill at all.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
So no, it's it doesn't seem to have had any
lasting effects. Although maybe my second stories might suggest that
there's an affinity to high strangeness, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (53:33):
I'm the same mind. Never touch wood, and it never
get sick.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
No, as friends said, like, you know, you know, did
you did you? Did they care to remove the probe
when they put you back in the car. You know
that that kind of thing? Yeah, yeah, that sort of thing.
The only the only thing I did do is is
and again not not to be minuted, I took part
in a research project once about remote viewing with one
hundred subjects, and I was the only one that managed

(53:58):
to remote view.

Speaker 6 (54:00):
What was in the what was in the thing. So
I don't know. Maybe I've got a bit of.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
A an uncanny knack for something that is strange. But no,
nothing that's certain, nothing that's affected my life in a
positive way. I mean, bloody hell.

Speaker 6 (54:18):
You know you kind of.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
Think, oh, it's it's a magical experience.

Speaker 6 (54:22):
It wasn't. It was just an experience.

Speaker 5 (54:24):
And did you carry on dinner, remove you in or
was it just like I went off?

Speaker 6 (54:27):
No, I didn't.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
I responded to, uh, I don't know if it's a
PhD student that it was a while ago sort of
looking for subjects, and I thought, oh, yeah, it'll be
a bit of a bit of a hoot, you know,
I'm kind of interested in that.

Speaker 6 (54:38):
And yeah, it's I managed to what it was.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
There was an experiment they went through the original kind
of I don't know if it was MK Ultra or
something sort of CIA experiments. Stick you in a chair
and put headphones and white noise and ping pong balls
on your eyes and ask you to kind of describe
what you see in your in your mind mind, and
then they would have this thing where it was kind

(55:04):
of like a They put their computer on Google Earth
and they said, okay, I've done a random Google Earth
picture and I'm looking at it, and I want you
to tell me effectively, you know, what you might be
manifesting in your mind or whatever. And there were several
different things. One of them was can you describe any shapes?

(55:25):
And that was quite similar to what they saw, and
then the other one was, you know, can you smell anything?
You know, if you were to describe it, would it
be hot, cold, damp?

Speaker 6 (55:35):
Dry?

Speaker 3 (55:36):
Sort of listened to these things, and then they said, okay,
were a bit of paper, I'd like you to draw
what you think you can describe in your mind. And yes,
I drew this thing and it was it was like
it was like an alpine sort of scene, some fir
trees and a fence.

Speaker 6 (55:52):
And then the person that was doing it went sort
of like, oh right, I'm going to show.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
You the picture, and show me the picture is put
the bit of paper that I drew up against it.

Speaker 6 (56:00):
It was pretty much identical. And I said, does that
happened a lot? It was like a new new You're
the first one, and you're you're subjects ninety eight. I
was like, oh, okay, well that's what kind of keep
the picture?

Speaker 5 (56:13):
Did you reach out to them?

Speaker 3 (56:15):
They just put a call out for kind of willing,
daft volunteers. I think that because I had you know,
I had a friend of colleague that kind of did
it as well.

Speaker 6 (56:25):
So we sort of thought, oh, yeah, that sounds interesting.
So that was it. Yeah, that was that was another
funny story. But so no, I don't know, as I said,
you know, I don't I don't ever want to be
put under. I don't ever want to be hypnotized.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
I don't every want to poke and delve into those
kind of realms because say, ignorance is bliss, you know,
it's I'll just chalk this one down to a strange
experience from twenty twenty odd years ago.

Speaker 5 (56:51):
Interesting, Okay, great stuff. Okay, do you want to move
on to your next one?

Speaker 6 (56:54):
Is Alex next one? So my.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
Next story, nothing to do with with lights and cars
and roads at all, is a moved house recently. I
say moved house recently was about a year ago. Now,
I think everything in Lockdown and Pandemic is a bit
time is a bit amorphous, isn't it.

Speaker 6 (57:16):
You know? So it feels like yesterday, but it wasn't.
It was about a.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
Year ago, and moved into a nice house not far
up the road from where I lived before, a bit
of suburbia. Nothing remarkable about the house tool And within
a couple of days in the new house, I had
two sort of strange things that happened to me. Firstly,
was my first ever and thankfully i've had none since,

(57:41):
about of sleep paralysis, which you know i'd honestly never
want again.

Speaker 6 (57:48):
You read about it, you.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
Hear about it, and I know friends that have sort
of said, yeah, oh yeah, it's horrible when that happens.

Speaker 6 (57:52):
I was cose it happens to you, that's never happened
to me before I was really frightened. I had that,
And within.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
Maybe the next day or maybe it was the day
that I had this sleep paralysis, it coincided with me
seeing black shapes out of the corner of my eye
peripheral vision in my eye, like fleetingly.

Speaker 6 (58:14):
You know, if you if you sent something there.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
And then you move your eyes to look at it
without moving your head, you know they're gone. And so
I saw these black shapes chalked it down sort of,
you know, tiredness or whatever, you know, a bit odd.
And then by a day or so later, my wife,
who is not you know, who doesn't have who has

(58:37):
never had an experience of any kind of strange kind
at all, whatever, completely unprompted by me, sort of said,
have you you evern noticed sort of black things? And
I said, what black shapes in the corner of your eyes?
Be goes yes, I said, yep, I have yesterday, and

(58:57):
she had too, and it was like, ah, we've seen this.

Speaker 6 (59:01):
We've seen the same thing. And you know, that was
about a year ago. You know.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
Since then we now both sort of see them independently,
kind of on a regular basis. Nothing that makes us frightened.
Nothing you know, you can pick up on sort of energies.
I guess that we don't know.

Speaker 6 (59:22):
We don't think there's any energies here. You know.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
My dog doesn't kind of go mad and sort of well,
I'll come onto that, but generally speaking, doesn't go mad
and see them or anything like that. But we've both
seen these black shapes out of the corner of our
eye fleetingly. Let's split second you look in the direction
that they're not there.

Speaker 6 (59:43):
And I then.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
Recalled that this wasn't the first time I've seen those
black shapes. I'm going to get it's like a time
travel story.

Speaker 6 (59:51):
This isn't it.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
I'm going to go back to about two thousand and five,
and again it was recently after I've moved house.

Speaker 6 (59:57):
I don't know if that's connected to moving house.

Speaker 3 (59:59):
I have no idea, but about two thousand and five
I moved into a house, an old Victorian house, so
Victorian house where you've got the kitchen at the back.
You know, you've got like the front room. It's a terrace.
You know, you've got the front room, and you've got
like a dining room area. Then you've got the kitchen
at the back, and you usually got a backyard with
a window in that dining room area. They're fairly generic

(01:00:20):
in the UK in terms of a Victorian terraced house.

Speaker 6 (01:00:25):
And just moved into this new.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
House with my then partner full of boxes full of
bin bags, hadn't really unpacked yet, and I was there
sort of sitting at a computer, and the computer was
positioned so that to the left of me would have
been the kitchen and to the right of me would
have been a window looking out into the backyard, and

(01:00:46):
out the corner of my eye, I saw what I
thought would have been like a bag, a plastic bag,
blowing around in the wind, kind of just being whipped
up and sort of moving around. And I thought, in
that split second, oh, it's a bin bag because of
all the you know, refuse bags we've been unpacking stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:01:07):
It's in the yard. Only my brain was confused. It
wasn't in the yard. It was in the kitchen.

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
So I could kind of if that make this is
really difficult to be really difficult for me to explain.
My mind was saying, there's a bin bag blowing out
of the right the right side of my eye in
the window, but it wasn't. It was the left and
it was in the kitchen. But of course it couldn't
been blown around the kitchen because bin bags don't blow around.

Speaker 6 (01:01:28):
In the kitchen.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
And again I kind of looked and it was not there,
and so I dismissed it.

Speaker 6 (01:01:35):
I mentioned it probably at the time to my partner
and forgot about it. A couple of months later.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
It was Christmas and we parted ways, and on Christmas
Eve she had family in a different part of the UK,
so she went to see them for Christmas Day, I
went down to see my family, lock the house up,
turned off the lights, et cetera. I came back on
the Boxing day and all the lights were on in
the house, so I let myself in, thinking that she'd

(01:02:04):
returned before me.

Speaker 6 (01:02:06):
There was no one there. I thought I should probably
popped out to the shop or something. So I gather
a ring.

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
She's like, no, I'm still I'm still in my folks. Okay, God,
all the lights are on. Long story short. There was
no breaking, nothing stolen, nothing to report the police, just
the house had all the lights on. Put it down
to dodgy electrics. It was a rental house. It was
an old house.

Speaker 6 (01:02:28):
That was that. But a year later we were woke
and kind of really abruptly about middle of the night,
three o'clock, two o'clock, three o'clock. Don't know why we
sensed or we both sort of noticed that there was
a glow. There was lights on downstairs.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
You know, we never left lights on anyway, and sort
of heard something and again, you know, obviously and this
will be a bit of a motif, I think, you know,
it sort of like pushed out of bed to go
and see what was going on.

Speaker 6 (01:02:58):
I don't know what. I don't know why girlfriends and
have to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
So, you know, mister Hardman, I think we did have
a hammer under the bed, so I pick this hammer
up vigilante in kind of vigilante in pants, you know,
kind of going downstairs, sort of like going who are you?
There was no one there, but all of the lights
were on downstairs, so.

Speaker 6 (01:03:19):
Was the radio.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
And the best bit was that there was a light
in the living room that if anyone's ever rented a
house and you have to fill out an itinery when
you when you first like get the keys, and it
says every scuff, every dent, every mark, everything that doesn't work,
so they don't bill you for it when you move
out and kind of collar you for paying money. And

(01:03:42):
they said that this central light in the middle of
the living room didn't work. It was on bright as day,
absolutely bright as day. Every every every light was on
bright as day downstairs, and the radio was on.

Speaker 6 (01:03:56):
So we moved out of there fairly soon after.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
Yeah, not necessarily be of because of dodgy electrics or
bad lights. I think we just decided to buy a
house because the mortgage rates were kind of good. But
that was another that was another sort of like little
episode of strangers, and that's what I remembered connected with
that house, seeing black, shadowy shapes out of the corner
of my eye.

Speaker 6 (01:04:21):
So I guess this moves on to kind of the
nearly the present day, and something's happened since. And in fact,
i'll continue the story of the black shapes. We a
few weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
Before Christmas just gone. So Christmas twenty twenty one. As
a lot of people, I was working from home. I
was working in the living room at my laptop, tapping away,
and from where I was sat was the hallway. Now,
the hallway in my current house is generally speaking, where
we see, or we've both reported. My wife and I

(01:04:57):
reported these black shapes and saw them. And as I'm
looking at my screen again your peripheral vision. If you're
looking at the screen, you can see around you can't.
You can see behind the screen kind of thing, you can,
you can see them. And I saw two of these
black figures in the hallway at about two o'clock in
the afternoon in front of me.

Speaker 6 (01:05:18):
Again, look up, they're gone.

Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
Only this time my dog, who is barks at the postman,
doesn't bark at any high strangeness saw them as well,
because she suddenly got up, ran to just where they
were and just started barking their head off, which I
thought was great because you know, so it's almost like
I'm not going mad.

Speaker 6 (01:05:39):
The wife's seen them, tick, the dog seeing them double tick, brilliant.
You know, it's a thing. I was straight on the
phone to my wife like.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
You never guess what the black shapes are back, and
then the dog's seen them. So that was again just
sort of before Christmas. And then last week, as I
think it was last week, my wife wiped me up
in the middle of night and said.

Speaker 6 (01:06:03):
I think there's someone downstairs, which is which you don't
want to hear. You know. That's that's again.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
It's it's kind of a repeat of that thing from
years ago. It's like as someone downstairs is say yeah, yeah,
I heard I.

Speaker 6 (01:06:15):
Heard movement, and and I.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
Stuck my head round the door and I think I
saw someone moving around at the bottom of the stairs downstairs. Okay, great,
So again pushed out of bed, vigilante in pants, prodded,
prodded down the stairs. But unlike horror films, I turned
the lights on, so light on, light on, there was
nothing downstairs at all.

Speaker 6 (01:06:38):
She was convinced.

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
She said, I'm telling you, I saw something downstairs and
it wasn't the dog because the dog was sleeping in
our bed, our bedroom. And yeah, she was convinced. She
was convinced she saw something. So I think to cap
off this little part of the story of high strangeness,
there's there's definitely a thing I remember once we were

(01:06:59):
in the summer one, you know, sort of late last
night at the bottom of the garden. We kind of
both saw something move in the house that was like
this black shape. So again a bit like a light
behind you in the car. If anyone out there can
shed any light on what black shapes might be, yeah,
do pipe up and let me know, because it's something

(01:07:21):
that is sporadic, but it is definitely something that we
are seeing. So yeah, that's kind of my second story.

Speaker 6 (01:07:33):
And I go on to my third and sort of
final thing. And again this is relatively recent.

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
I think this would have been about September twenty twenty one.
End of September twenty twenty one.

Speaker 6 (01:07:45):
My family, my.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
Wife, kid, we went out with some neighbors just to
a local restaurant and we were walking back home and
we sort of said our goodbyes at their driveway and
they were going up their drive back home. We were
going to continue another few paces back to ours. And
for whatever reason, I don't know why, I'm and I

(01:08:07):
never look up. I just looked up at looked up
at the sky, and I noticed a pinprick of light
like a star white light. It wasn't flashing like a plane,
just a single pin prick white light, but it was
it was moving.

Speaker 6 (01:08:24):
It kind of erratically. It was. It was moving sort
of slowly downwards, and then it would go up to
the side, and then it would kind of go across
to the other side. Then it would move down again,
and then it would move back up.

Speaker 8 (01:08:39):
And I was like, this is great.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
This is too good to be true. And I've got witnesses.
Nudge my wife, I said, look, look can you see that?
And she was like, oh, yeah, that's weird, isn't it.
You know, it wasn't it wasn't a Chinese lantern, you know,
it was too high up. And then I thought, right,
I'll have some more witnesses, said oh, come and.

Speaker 6 (01:08:56):
Have a look at this. Can you see that? And
it's like oh yeah, And you know, for a good
few seconds we kind of sort of stood sort of
and kind of watched this this white light just sort
of maneuvering about, no noise, nothing like that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
And I was like, right, tell you what, it's now
twenty twenty one. I've got iPhones. Now I'll take a video.
No wonder, no one captures anything like this on videos,
because you know, an iPhone in the dark trying to
record something, you know, that's up in the sky when
you you know, and you've only got your hand to
kind of support. It was just rubbish and it was

(01:09:35):
it was such a disappointment. But yeah, so and after
a few seconds of us watching it, it just it
didn't blink out. It just sort of faded faded away,
just just disappeared, just just went and and that's it.

Speaker 6 (01:09:53):
That's my story, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (01:09:56):
Good job, Alex. You know the black shadow those are interesting,
you know, so you had these experiences with the shadows
in this old Victorian house, which obviously has a whole
heap of history in any case.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
Yeah, and you know, if if there's something I sent me,
I send me believe in. And I think you'd be
mad not to think that there's other life or out
there or interdimensional you know, other realms. You know, it's
it's now becoming kind of commonplace to sort of chalk
that up as like, yeah, probably, you know, I've never

(01:10:29):
been a big believer in ghosts or paranormal you know,
polter geist or anything like that. It just doesn't It's
not something I'm interested in. It's not something I give
any credence to.

Speaker 6 (01:10:37):
Really.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
I keep skeptically open minded as any as I think
you should be. You know, show an iPhone to a
caveman and they're going to think it's wizards and magic,
isn't it.

Speaker 6 (01:10:47):
So you know, we don't know. But I think I
think that the strangest creepiest thing for me is that
this is something that i'd i'd seen before in and
don't get me. You know.

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
One thing I have to sort of point out is that, yes,
I saw it back about two thousand and five in
one location. You know, I've moved house into a different house,
another Victorian house. Didn't see anything at all like that,
Nothing at all was in that house for five years,
I think around that time. No black shape, no shadowy
shapes at the corner of my eye, know nothing.

Speaker 6 (01:11:22):
I then moved into another.

Speaker 3 (01:11:23):
Victorian house for about three years, no black shape, no nothing.
Then moved into another house that was a newer house,
no nothing.

Speaker 6 (01:11:34):
So when it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
Happens again, it was then it was kind of like
old in a minute. I've seen this before, but not regularly,
you know, not for not for many many years. And
I think for me it was that And as I said,
it was only because you know, I didn't say that
I'd seen these shape, but it was my wife that
sort of said I've I've seen something as well that

(01:11:58):
you then kind of again and it's kind of instructive,
you know what I Meanly, it kind of gives you
a bit of credence that in what you're seeing or
not seeing, but certainly experiencing. So yeah, I think, yeah,
this is not this is not a phenomena that has

(01:12:20):
followed me.

Speaker 6 (01:12:20):
Through my life. It's it's sporadic if nothing else.

Speaker 5 (01:12:25):
Yeah, it does. It does sound separate. And houses in
the UK, you know, they're very old, you know, and
they do have quite a lot of life that have
passed through them over the years. So yeah, it could
well be, you know, I mean, to be honest, I
mean the vision of Alex coming down the stairs carrying
a hammer and a pair of pants. You know, that
should be enough to scare anything off.

Speaker 6 (01:12:46):
I guess absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
I mean, you know, welcome to Earth, or certainly it
certainly welcome to Welcome to suburbia.

Speaker 6 (01:12:52):
But yeah, no, it's fair. I mean, I have to say,
the house that I mean at the moment is not
that old.

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
So and the house that I'm currently in. We're seeing
the we've seen we've been so, we've been in about
a year. We've seen them kind of sporadically, but since
the last couple of months, I think we've seen them.

Speaker 6 (01:13:11):
We've both seen it. Whatever it is, a fair a
fair bit.

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Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
So who knows who knows what that is? Who knows
what Black Shadowy shapes are. It's definitely I would say
it's definitely something that I can't rationally explain away.

Speaker 6 (01:14:14):
But you know, I've obviously listened to your podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
I've seen other people describe shapes, black shadows, things like that.
You know, maybe it's a maybe it's a medical maybe
it's an eye complaint, maybe it's a shared you know,
maybe it's a sh shared insanity.

Speaker 6 (01:14:29):
Who knows, but it's.

Speaker 3 (01:14:31):
It's it's it's the strange thing that is now we're
now seeing.

Speaker 6 (01:14:37):
And actually I have to say, we're now kind of expecting.
But I'll tell you one thing. You know, no, not frightening,
No no sense of dread, no sense of kind of
foreboding with it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
You know, there's the calmness. It's absolutely fine.

Speaker 6 (01:15:00):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
You know, I'm quite happy to get up in the
middle of the night, in the pitch black without you know,
thinking something terrible is going to happen.

Speaker 6 (01:15:08):
It's it's not a thing, but it, as I said,
it is a thing.

Speaker 3 (01:15:12):
So and I guess you know, for me, I sort
of tacked it onto my email to you first and
foremost it was it was the light, the incident, the
frightening incident, really happened twenty odd years ago, and I thought, oh,
I know, I'll just tacked these ones in as well
for free, for good measure, a little bit of bonus, yeah,

(01:15:34):
bonus content, but absolutely yeah, and again as as a
as a skeptic, it's something that you know, I quite
like explained, but I'm I'm not rushing to investigate it.
You know, I'm certainly not rushing to sort of dig
out a Ouija board or anything daft like that and
get spirit boxes and set motion cameras. Can't afford them

(01:15:58):
for a start, but you know, or do anything like that.
But it's as I said, it's it's it's just it's
a thing.

Speaker 5 (01:16:06):
And you know, and if you can live in the
house no problems, and as you know, they're not keeping
you up at night, then you know there's no bother.

Speaker 6 (01:16:12):
Absolutely, you come and visit. I mean, if you'd like
to chip in with the gas bill, whatever you are,
you know, please leave your details and on the back
of a postcard and stick it to the fridge.

Speaker 3 (01:16:22):
You know, if you've got energy to kind of wander
around my house and cloak yourself, then I'm sure that
had come income in useful for other things.

Speaker 6 (01:16:31):
Around the house. So yeah, we'll we'll see, we'll see
with that one, jury's out.

Speaker 5 (01:16:35):
I don't mind the odd light being turned on, the
odd lamp, you know, but just don't turn all the
lights on the house when I go to bed.

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
No, it's especially with the energy prices these days. You
know that smart meter is I'm going to know. You
know that smart meter's going to record something overnight. So yeah,
if you, if you, if you could refrain from doing
that and just peacefully coexist, that's absolutely fine. Of course,
you know, if if you start upbreaking things and I
will have to start charging them, but but no, for

(01:17:03):
the time being, it's fine.

Speaker 5 (01:17:05):
That's wonderful, Alex. Fascinating, absolutely fascinating.

Speaker 6 (01:17:08):
Good well, I hope.

Speaker 3 (01:17:09):
So, I mean, you know, it's funny when you start,
when you start talking monologuing about these kind of stories
and everything, you kind of think, am I just one
of those sort of rambling kind of old men that
sort of sit at the bar with a pub, you know,
and kind of recount stories, fantastical stories. But yeah, the
details are they're.

Speaker 6 (01:17:30):
Good six quis it's bitvid.

Speaker 3 (01:17:32):
I mean, you know, and I think that's the thing
with the you know, the important counter in that car
on that day back in the in the late nineties.
It was It's something that was just so odd and
so experiential that it sticks with you.

Speaker 6 (01:17:49):
You know, I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:17:50):
I don't wake up in every morning and think, oh,
you know that thing that happened twenty years ago. You know,
it's not it's not left this indelible mark. That's that's
kind of seen me obsess about it or regale stories
about it at the.

Speaker 6 (01:18:04):
Drop of a hat.

Speaker 8 (01:18:05):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:18:07):
But as I said, you know, some of the experiences
that have that I've heard people have on your on
your podcast, it's kind of like, yeah, if that's worthy,
if if somebody else has ever been followed by a
by a big, bright, warm light in a car, maybe
it will prompt them to to kind of drop your
line and get in touch and share their share their
story with you.

Speaker 5 (01:18:26):
Absolutely, And you know, I definitely think that the big
poll for the show is is people have these experiences
you know, yours and the nights you know, and you
know you have you have an account, and you have
a story kind of around that time. You know, which
I think, which which I enjoyed listening anyway? You know,
I would everyday people average Joe's you know, everyone has lives.
I like the way it's all kind of interwoven.

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
But what what's what I think probably, you know, the
final thing that'd be really interesting is, as I said,
you know, I kind of googled. I was listening to
one of your podcasts recently and you were talking about
like UFOs made with Colorado.

Speaker 6 (01:19:01):
I don't know if there's like a hotbed.

Speaker 3 (01:19:03):
There's certain places you know, around the world that are
kind of renowned for it, you know, around.

Speaker 6 (01:19:07):
In Yorkshire, like the Tomoden area and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
You know, obviously that's kind of famous story attached to it,
but there's often things seen kind of high strangeness, and
you know, I'd be really interested is where I encountered
what I encountered, or actually what encountered me.

Speaker 6 (01:19:22):
I guess there is that a thing, you know, is
there that lady said that it was.

Speaker 3 (01:19:28):
I've never been able to find any stories or anything
corroborating it on the net, so it's yeah, it'd be
interesting to eventually find out if other people had had
similar experiences around the area or not.

Speaker 5 (01:19:42):
So if you're out there listening and you live in
the area and you're familiar with what Alex was referring to,
then definitely get in touch.

Speaker 6 (01:19:48):
Yeah, absolutely, I'll be I'd be fascinated.

Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
Thank you so much, Thanks for so much for giving
giving time out of your evening to do this as well.

Speaker 6 (01:19:56):
Not quite as frightening as I thought it would be, is.

Speaker 5 (01:20:00):
Not, And so some people I can take. It can
take months for me to get them on the show.

Speaker 6 (01:20:06):
They do want to. I guess they do want it,
otherwise they wouldn't have written in exactly. So I suppose.

Speaker 3 (01:20:09):
I suppose it is a case of sharing that story.
But I think, you know, tapping something on the keyboard
and pressing send is one thing, but actually having to
articulate it verbally is something different in them.

Speaker 5 (01:20:22):
Yeah, it's not easy, and I understand that, but sometimes
it's the it's purely the best way to get people
to to you know, to to recount it, to speak,
because if if I was to jump in literally after
the first five minutes, that's it. That account then is
going to change. Not so much change, but you're not
going to get the details.

Speaker 3 (01:20:40):
That's absolutely right, Because I was, I was I was saying,
as I said to my wife, I said, you know,
when you when you listen to them back and yeah,
obviously there's you'll you'll edit the arms and the ars
and the pace and everything, but you know, they are
they are kind of monologues in a sense.

Speaker 6 (01:20:56):
And and that's a really good point.

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
You make, the fact that you don't go in there
and say, okay, so hold on a minute, so when
you saw that thing, did you what were you feeling?

Speaker 6 (01:21:05):
What did you do? Because then it breaks the narrative,
doesn't it.

Speaker 5 (01:21:09):
It drives me at the wall whenever shows do that
own name names, but there are shows that do that,
and so I didn't want the show to be about me.
It was just it's purely about the guests, and I'm
kind of glad to keep it that way as well.

Speaker 3 (01:21:20):
Yeah, I think I think you're doing a good job
with that, Nick. I think it's as I've used the
term refreshing before.

Speaker 6 (01:21:25):
I think it. You know, there's a lot of paranormal
UFO podcasts and you dump them off pretty quickly.

Speaker 3 (01:21:33):
But yeah, I think it's it's good to hear that
the flavors, the different flavors of people that you have
on the different accents, different narratives, different locations.

Speaker 6 (01:21:44):
What an interesting job you've.

Speaker 5 (01:21:45):
Got it is. Yeah, I'm very very I'm very lucky,
you know, because I can just sit back and just
hear these accounts, you know, and yeah, can be happy.
And I'm I'm really glad I kind of started it,
and I'm glad people get something out of it as well.
That's the main the emails I get people saying, oh,
I love the show. I do this, me and my
husband listening on a Sunday and all that kind of stuff,
and yeah, it's nice. That's the rewarding bit for me.

Speaker 6 (01:22:08):
Great, it's great, and it's global as well. You know
what small village we live in. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:22:13):
Absolutely, Okay, Alex, I really appreciate you coming on sharing
it all for our listeners tonight.

Speaker 6 (01:22:17):
Thank you, thanks for thanks for having me on, and
good luck, good continued, good luck with the show. It's
a great podcast.

Speaker 5 (01:22:23):
It was a pleasure. Thank you.

Speaker 6 (01:22:25):
Cheers. Nick.

Speaker 5 (01:22:26):
That is all for this week. Keep updated and connected
with your show on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram. And if
you have an encounter you would like to share on
the podcast, you can email me at UFO Chronicles at
gmail dot com or reach out to me via the
contact page on my website at UFO Chronicles podcast dot com.

(01:22:46):
A big thank you to Rich and Alex for sharing tonight,
and thank you all for listening. I will be back
next week. Till then, stay safe and keep watching the skies. Goodbye,

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