Ep.160 Lake Huron UFO / Cowboy Ghost (Throwback)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You'll do away five seventeen. Do you want to report
a UFO.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
It?

Speaker 1 (00:05):
We don't want to report every thirty one. Do you
wish to report a UFO.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
Ob Hey, we want to one of those.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Data arias thirty one. Do you wish to find a
report of any kind of it?

Speaker 2 (00:18):
I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds, time.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
Areas thirty one me neither.

Speaker 4 (00:24):
There were seven one golf. If it was actually a
U above us to pass us, like thirty seconds ago,
we were sending one of golf negative, okay, off fi
the UFO.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, it's murder ten nine o'clock. Yes, I'll just passed over,
I go.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
I don't know what it was, but it's from at
least to three thousand feet above us.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
See, I passed right over the top of US ninety
one one.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Guy, you just called up to me before resort. They're
after staying the airplanes.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Can swear to God more calm in an unidentified object
every liberty or call or calm on an unidentified flying object.

Speaker 4 (01:15):
Welcome to UFO Chronicles, a place where people share their
experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had an encounter,
I would like to be on the show. You can
email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com. Hello everyone,

(01:49):
and welcome to the show. Wherever in the world you
are listening France, I hope you're all okay. Ash is
our first of two tonight from Ontario, Canada, and he
will be sharing his UFOE encounters. The first was a
black triangle witnessed on a camping trip near Lake Huran
in nineteen eighty nine, and his second was also by

(02:10):
a lake, but this time it was Lake Saint Clair
where Ash and a friend observed a glowing sphere in
nineteen ninety seven. And then we head down to the
States and hear from Cody in Nebraska and he will
be sharing a couple of ufhone encounters from the summer
of twenty twelve, one being of a cigar shaped object
on a clear, cloudless afternoon in Montana. Cody has also

(02:34):
some interesting paranormal experiences that we're going to be here
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on with the show, Hello, Ash, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Hi.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
How are you doing calling from Ontario, Canada. Yes, wonderful. Now, Ash,
you're going to be sharing a couple of your UFO experiences.
Would you like to start at the very beginning? Please?

Speaker 5 (03:33):
Ash, Yes, I can do that. The first time I
saw an object, it was nineteen eighty nine. At that time,
I was eight. We were on a camping trip like
here on most people in the area will be familiar
with Grand Band. Somewhere outside of there wasn't the Piinery.
There was another campground we were staying at. So late

(03:58):
in the night, I woke up abrupt, as I do sometimes,
just alert and awaken. I decided just to watch the
stars because that's what I like to do as a child.
And I was laying there and I saw I guess
it's hard to say this, but there were several things
that felt different at the time. I was actually watching

(04:21):
the stars at this time, so the insects outside stopped
making noise, and I felt on my body similar to
an electrical charge, like static electricity. My parents and my
brother were in the car at the time, but they
were sleeping. They seemed to be more I don't know

(04:46):
how to describe this, but they seemed to be more
unconscious than regular, if that makes sense. But they just
seemed to be more comatose. There was a hum similar
to a bass speaker standing close to an electrical transform
or something like that. That kind of white humming noise.

(05:07):
After which I saw a triangular object black. I couldn't
make out the color of it because there were no
lights on it. It was nighttime. I could see the
tree tops from the car where I was sleeping because
it was a hatchback, I could see through the back glass,
and this triangle slowly went over. The leading edge of

(05:28):
it had like an effect. I wrote it down as
a blue fire effect when I was a child, but
it looked more like an Aurora borealis kind of green
and blueish that rippled around it as it moved over,
and it just slowly went across the tree tops. It
was probably just above the tree tops. I can't estimate,

(05:51):
you know, how high it was. I don't know what
the size of the object was. It was much larger
than the car I was in because it blacked out
the sky as it went over, and it just continued on.
It didn't do anything other than that. But I could
never figure out what exactly it was. So that would

(06:11):
be the first time that I saw something. I wrote
it in a journal and looked at it later when
I was more of an adult. That was pretty much it.
The second time that I saw an object, I went
out to a location called Mitchell's Bay. It's on Lake

(06:32):
Saint Clair. I wasn't in the actual town. We were
outside of town. This was in nineteen ninety seven and
it was about two in the morning. We just got
off work, a friend and I. We went out into
it like it's farmers field. The road is basically not

(06:53):
even dirt road, it's grass with some tire tracks in it.
And we drove down it and we parked out near
the water because I used to smoke one when I
was younger, and we went out there had some cigarettes.
We were shooting flares into the lake because we were
bored and we just got off work, so we sat there.
I sat on the hood of his car with him,

(07:14):
and we just had a cigarette and we were talking.
So what happened was light. The first thing that happened.
It was like a light, and we didn't know where
it was coming from. I assumed it was a car
coming up behind us, but we were in a farmer's
field at the end of this road, so you know,
I didn't know. But my friend spotted something over the
lake and it was almost like it looked like a spotlight.

(07:36):
If I were to my armor would be about the
size of a little bigger than a quarter. And it
was on us, extremely bright to my right, like somebody's
headlights were on us. And I assumed right away that
it must be a helicopter or something. Because we were
shooting players into the lake. I figured somebody was coming

(07:56):
to look for it. But it had light on us
for a little bit then, and this was a longer process.
It was five or six minutes of this engagement. So
it was on us for a little bit and then
it rotated around and I could still see it because
it was black. It blocked out the sky. If you've

(08:20):
seen the sky at night, you can see near the
tree line and everything. There's kind of a blue haze
that goes up and I could see this black ball
in the sky and the light was still on, but
it was doing something over the water. I don't know
what it was doing, but it was kind of erradically.
The only way I can describe it as similar to

(08:40):
if you've ever seen the Lord of the Rings the
eye of Celron, where it's jumping around and it's looking
over the water. I don't know what it was doing.
And then it turned back around and I could see
the light side again, but it was not focused on us.
The light and it kind of jumped around abruptly over
the water, and we were at this time, my friend

(09:01):
and I were trying to figure out what this is
because it was very harsh movements. And then it returned
to its original position and shot up into the sky.
And if you've seen I guess a satellite or something
with a naked eye, or you know, say the International

(09:21):
Space Station, that little dot a light. It moved across
the sky too, I believe that would be south. It
moved south across the sky and just kind of took off,
So we didn't know what it was we joked around
about it for a little bit, and then shortly probably
three minutes after something like that, helicopters did actually come

(09:45):
to that area and you could hear the sound of them.
I'm assuming it came from I don't know. I'm not
sure because it's that area is on the US Canadian border.
But there were three helicopters that came afterwards over the lake,
and they seemed to be looking for something as well.
So the actual helicopter, if I would have judged the

(10:06):
size of it, if they were in the same position,
the actual object we saw was the same size and say,
you know, diameter as the helicopter from front to end.
And the helicopters had lights on them too, but they
were much much smaller and didn't have the impact. So
I'm not sure how far they were away from the
you know, the coast of the lake.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (10:27):
But again, this was weird oc currents again with a
friend of mine, and we discussed it for a little
bit afterwards. But you know, I talk to people about it,
or I tell people about it, but it's just some
kind of oddity that had happened, and I don't.

Speaker 4 (10:43):
Know, it was certainly is an audosy. I mean purely
just shooting off into the sky is a bit of
a bit of a marker there. I mean, I have
quite the area where I live. I have helicopters that
go around constantly searching for stolen cars whatever, and they
always have a pattern. Did this object that you saw
to have any kind of pattern it?

Speaker 5 (11:03):
It seemed to I don't know which because I'm looking
at it in kind of a two D way. Because
I'm looking at it, I didn't I wasn't able to
see it was jumping in a couple locations, But I
don't know if it was doing it in a three
dimensional pattern over the water, because it looked like it
was just going from one side to the other. But
I know if I was in it that physically, I

(11:25):
would be hurt when the object stopped, because it was
it was like if you take a laser pointer and
jump it, you know, to two places. You know, if
I was in it, it's I would be damaged by
the force of stopping abruptly like that.

Speaker 4 (11:40):
Yeah, And generally helicopters don't move so radically like that
for obvious, obvious reasons.

Speaker 5 (11:46):
No, And there was no thrust or anything associated with it.
When I went up, it just looked like the same
ball that just shot up into the sky. There was
no rocket or anything that you would associate with an
object that was and I a helicopter hovers, but not
so perfectly. If that makes sense, it does.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
Yeah, the only light you actually saw was actually from
the spotlight itself.

Speaker 5 (12:13):
I saw the light. The craft itself seemed to be illuminated.
But I did see the lights of the helicopters when
they came afterwards, but they were a lot smaller because
the whole object itself was illuminated. It just turned dark
when it spun around, but I don't know what it
was doing.

Speaker 4 (12:32):
Interesting what color.

Speaker 5 (12:34):
Was the was the light kind of maybe a pale yellow,
but it was more solid, like you know when metal
gets really hot.

Speaker 4 (12:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (12:46):
Yeah, it looked more like that than a light because
the light has kind of a flicker to it. This
looked like if I threw up because I've done this
when I was a kid, threw iron into a fire
and then you pull it out and it has a
luminosity to it. It it's muted in comparison to a
light bulb or something.

Speaker 4 (13:04):
I mean, if you want to get attention from anyone. Certainly,
shooting flares off into the lake, it's a good way
of doing it. So it could just been you know,
flying around and seeing these these strange lights hitting the
baller and wanted to have a look.

Speaker 5 (13:20):
That's what we assumed as well right away, was that
because of your shoot. But it was probably about a
two minute gap between, which would make sense if something
was coming. It's probably what a two minute gap between
the time that we were doing that. We had just
lit up a cigarette and sat there on the car,
but the light came on us, so we didn't notice
where it came from. It was just the light kind
of from the right, a little bit behind. That's why

(13:43):
I assumed it was headlights to begin with. It just
it behaved very erratically, so I can't reconcile that with
operating aircraft. That's the difficult difficulty for me, I guess.

Speaker 4 (13:55):
I mean, there was no beakers, no flashing beakers on there,
so you could probably dis gang the lanes or and
wasn't even drones in those days in any case.

Speaker 5 (14:04):
No running lights or anything, which is usually well for me.
If I ever look at an object, the first thing
I'm looking for is running lights and things like that,
like an aircraft or something or something to signify that it.
I don't know what. Like I said, I don't know
what it was. It just behaved oddly.

Speaker 4 (14:20):
And then completely shut off.

Speaker 5 (14:22):
Yeah, but I could we could still see it. Like
I said, it was something like if you were serving
say like the International Space Station going across the sky.
It's that very tiny light and you can see it
kind of like zip across the sky. But what it
was doing, who knows?

Speaker 4 (14:37):
Interesting And did you ever actually report this sit in?

Speaker 1 (14:41):
No.

Speaker 5 (14:42):
At the time, I had no idea anything about the
topic at all. I didn't know that there was anybody
who could report anything to I didn't really realize that
until I was around in my thirties when I was
going back to look at some of this stuff for
information due to the Internet.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
I mean, you're on this come up a few time?
Had that come up in past past encounters?

Speaker 5 (15:03):
Yeah, there was no information at that time. It was
ninety seven. I didn't even have a cell phone at
that time, and what we did have available to us was,
you know, archaic compared to what we have now.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
They were just bricks pretty much. I think roughly about
ninety seven is actually when I did get my first phone.

Speaker 5 (15:19):
Yeah, I think I got one of maybe two thousand
and two, but it was a flip phone and the
pictures were poor quality. I can't imagine getting a good
picture at night or video at night anyway, unless you
had the proper equipment to begin with.

Speaker 4 (15:30):
Okay, now the triangle object you saw the leading edge
when it had this blue green aurora like effect, was
only on the lead Was it completely on the lead's
edge or did it circulate the whole object?

Speaker 5 (15:45):
No, only on the front two surfaces of the actual triangle.
It seemed to be kind of I don't know how
to describe the back end of it, more like dissipating,
I guess right right, similar to a canoe going through
water with the ripples it kind of separates around the canoe,
but then at the end it you know.

Speaker 4 (16:06):
Heide wise, can you kind of gift any kind of
from above the car?

Speaker 5 (16:10):
Well, the trees, like a typical large pine tree, I'm
guessing are probably sixty feet maybe if I were to guess,
it would probably have been maybe ten or fifteen feet
Over that. It was really low and.

Speaker 4 (16:24):
A lot bigger than a lot bigger than the car,
so it completely passed over.

Speaker 5 (16:28):
See you are viewing it from I was viewing it
from the ground. I was basically in the back of
the car. I could see it through the weird window
because again it's a hatchback, so it's just a glass window.
It was an Akkadian, so those cars are the whole
back was kind of glass, so you could see out
really well.

Speaker 4 (16:46):
The object completely covered the glass, so you could all
you could see was basically this object.

Speaker 5 (16:51):
I could only see. I could only see the actual object.
I could see, like I said, I could see the
sky completely clear. I could see the tops of the trees.
But when the objet it passed over, it blocked out
the sky until it completely passed over.

Speaker 4 (17:04):
And you mentioned it gave off a kind of kind
of feeling for you. Yeah, just.

Speaker 5 (17:11):
I tried to describe this before, but I was close
to lightning with two of my friends when it struck
a phone box, and before the lightning strikes, you get
this feeling all over your body is static electricity, and
that staticky feeling is what I felt as it passed over.

Speaker 4 (17:29):
Yeah, I was in close proximity to a lightning struck
years and years ago, and that was the same static,
so completely surrounded by this static. It is like crackling
crackling around you. And my heart was just racing and
I felt energized for the whole week.

Speaker 5 (17:44):
And interesting how when it it doesn't sound like thunder,
it sounds like someone clapping their hands really loud when
you're close to it, like a snap.

Speaker 4 (17:53):
Right right, Yeah, it was. It was a close when
that was.

Speaker 5 (17:58):
I wouldn't want to actually get str that's for sure.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
That wouldn't be good. Like, you know, you can still
even after all these years, you can still report this,
whether it's to move on or the National Report and Center.
Probably move on and probably better for you if you're
in Canada. But you never know because other people look
at the records and see if anybody had the same
experience in the same area. And I know researchers use

(18:23):
these kind of these catalogs in any case.

Speaker 5 (18:25):
Well I did. I did for the second one, and
there were other people that observed the same type of
object over the lake in August of that year. But
I don't, like I said, I don't know exactly.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
What it was.

Speaker 5 (18:37):
It just seemed to be doing something, but who knows,
who knows?

Speaker 1 (18:43):
Really?

Speaker 5 (18:43):
Whatever they are who knows what they're doing?

Speaker 4 (18:46):
Who knows? And it was they were both in August
as well.

Speaker 5 (18:49):
Yeah, both in August, both near the lake as well,
the two different lakes. But well, I'm hoping that. Like
I said, the only reason that I actually got interested
in the subject is because I heard somebody speaking about
the some physiological effects, and I thought that it would
be beneficial if anybody maybe had experienced the same thing

(19:12):
to know that it does happen to other people.

Speaker 4 (19:15):
You know, then you know what we're saying before the show.
You know, these these little details, especially when it comes
to the effects, you know, that's always always a good
thing to hear.

Speaker 5 (19:26):
Yeah, I'd like to just know what they were, That's
all I would like to know. It's a object. Who
knows what that'll ever happen?

Speaker 3 (19:35):
Who knows?

Speaker 4 (19:35):
Yeah, you could be waiting a long time, Yeah exactly.
But the important thing is you know that you know
you had this experience, you know, because not everyone gets
to have an experience on this it's such as so
up close.

Speaker 5 (19:46):
Yeah for me, because like I said, I was very interested.
I still am science and technology. I've always followed my
whole life. To me, it was just interesting observing I guess,
you know, and catalog what I felt, especially when I
was younger, because I.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Did that a lot.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
You know, everything is important, you know, whether it's a
little experience of a couple of lights in the sky
or you've been missing for five days, it's all it's
allays important.

Speaker 5 (20:12):
Well, that's what, like I said, I heard somebody speaking
about the physiological effect of the vibration feeling, and that's
what actually kind of got me interested in looking into
the phenomenon itself, because I just didn't really know anybody,
you know, saw things that were similar. So I think

(20:35):
the best thing to do is for people to actually
share what they've observed and try to catalog as much
data about it as possible so we can kind of
figure it out. I hope, like I said, I hope
I got enough detail in there for people to at
least you know, like I said, I was just hoping
that if somebody else out there has seen same, similar
objects or something, maybe it, you know, they don't feel crazy,

(20:56):
because I think a lot of people have seen these
things and they you know, they question because I'm skeptical
of the things I've seen too. To be honest with me,
I don't know what it is, but I guess that
I'm open minded to it.

Speaker 4 (21:08):
So yeah, and it is important to question these things
because you obviously want to narrow it down, you know,
you want you want to say it's not this. You know,
you want to say it's not a plane, it's not
a helicopter, and whatever you're kind of left with, which
you don't have an explanation for me. That's you know,
that's really what you're trying to do.

Speaker 5 (21:25):
Yeah, that's why, like I said, I can't I can
say what I've seen, but I can't give any definitive
answer on what exactly it was, you know, just they
were odd to me experiences. Basically. I was actually happy though,
to see that the the United States is seeming to
take it a little bit more seriously now and actually

(21:47):
look into it.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
You know.

Speaker 5 (21:48):
That's interesting.

Speaker 4 (21:49):
It has helped, especially when the article started coming out
in the couple of years ago with an you know,
with the Navy pilots, and people started to accept it
a little bit more and in turn, you know, science
and journalists, scientists, you know, and not make such a
joke of it.

Speaker 5 (22:04):
That's why I always thought it was funny that science
is supposed to take us to the truth wherever that
truth may lead us to, or whatever that search may
lead us to. Right, But in certain areas they just know.
So I'm glad that that's somewhat changing, because there's a
few physicists and things that I respect a lot for

(22:25):
actually legitimately just wanting to look into it, you know,
whatever it turns out to be, you know. And I
also find it funny from the scientific point of view
that the act of creativity is you know, based on
incomplete data anyway. I mean, when even Darwinism he observed,

(22:45):
you know, some changes in the physiology of animals, he
didn't know anything about DNA or whatever. But then here
we are, right. So I just don't understand how I
don't know, even reading about you know, Peter Higgs, the Yeah,
I'm sure you're familiar with the Higgs boson, that's right.
I remember reading about how he was met with scorn

(23:05):
and ridicule from a lot of his colleagues because it
was outside of the status quo. Yet surprise, surprise, he
was right. So I just find it funny that for
a entire for an entire part of our society that
prides itself on creativity and thinking outside the box and
building our tomorrow that some of the topics are too
taboo for them to touch. I appreciate data, but I

(23:27):
think now that people are actually recording it and sharing
it a little more, it'll it'll help things, hopefully.

Speaker 4 (23:32):
Yeah, so you know, scientists are taking note. I don't.
I don't think we're on the verge of getting a
complete disclosure, you know, I don't really think that's going
to happen, regardless what people believe in a minute. I
think it's going to be a very very slow process.

Speaker 5 (23:48):
I think it's just nice to have like dialogue about it,
you know, and talking about it, looking into it.

Speaker 4 (23:55):
It's baby steps, that's what it is.

Speaker 5 (23:57):
Yeah, yeah, and hopefully I don't know. Like I said,
it's just it's nice to see the information being shared
with people a little bit more, being a little bit
more open about it because in the past, you know,
it wasn't as such, right, So I'm just glad the
conversation is happening.

Speaker 4 (24:15):
Well, okay, Ash, wonderful. I really appreciate you coming on
Stay and sharing that with our listeners.

Speaker 5 (24:20):
Have no problem, thanks very much. I appreciate that you're
getting the information out.

Speaker 4 (24:24):
Are you more than welcome? Thanks to that man. That's great,
all right, all right, thanks a lot. You enjoyed your
rest of the evening.

Speaker 5 (24:29):
Yeah you too, Thank you.

Speaker 4 (24:31):
Take care of yourself, Yeah you too.

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Speaker 4 (25:15):
Welcome to the show, Cody, I thank you, thank you
for coming on today. And you're calling for Nebraska. Yes,
that's wonderful. Now, Cody, you're going to be sharing some
paranormal and et encounters with us tonight. Would you like
to start a very beginning please, Cody.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
Well, though the first encounter I had, I wouldn't even
I don't even know if it was an encounter, and
it's I've actually heard this on your podcast recently and
it kind of blew me away. I was just talking
to my mom the other day. It's telling her I
was going to be on this podcast, and she reminded
me that when I was about seven or eight years old,
we were driving in Wyoming, that's where I grew up,

(25:52):
was Wyoming around Casper. We were driving to a place
called Thermopolis, which is Hot Springs, and it was middle
of the day and it was me and my mom
and my two older brothers who are all year older
than me, and we looked up and my mom said,
what is that in the sky? And it was a
giant fireball, like basically it looked like a meteor, but

(26:14):
it was as big as the moon. And it blew
my mind because I've always had this like weird fear
of the end of the world ever since I was little.
Like movies like Armageddon and stuff. I can't watch them.
They give me like really bad anxiety for no reason.
There's no reason for it. I just I've always felt
that way. So when I saw that in the sky,

(26:35):
I immediately thought the end of the world, like, there's
a giant comment it's going to hit the ground. But
it never moved in the sky. It stayed in that
one spot for forty minutes while we were driving because
I was glued on it. And my mom actually reminded
me of that the other day so that I would say,
I don't know if what that was, but it was
nothing I had ever seen nor my mom, and I've

(26:57):
never seen anything like it again. That was in my
first experience. My second was with a ghost. Now, I
come from a family. My mom's Native American. My family's
very supportive when it comes to ghosts and stuff like that.
They all believe very much so and all that stuff.
She was always very supportive, so she was one I

(27:18):
could always talk to. But I was in sixth grade
and I was staying at a buddy's house and he
just lived in a regular, old, regular house in our neighborhood,
good buddy of mine. We were downstairs in his basement,
and the way his basement was set up was the
kitchen was right above and then there was a stairwell
that came down at the back of his house downstairs,

(27:40):
and then it opened up into a big room and
it was basically like a pool table in the middle
of the room. And then he had a big flat
tube TV. At the time, it was the nineties on
the back wall, and we put a giant beanbag chair
right in front of the TV, so it was the
TV against the wall, the bean bag chair, and then

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the pool table. And at the back of the pool
table was the stairs that led upstairs, and the stairwell
was lit up by a light in the kitchen that
they had left on that night. And we were watching
movies of VHS, and when you watch VHS, when it's
played through, eventually the screen will just turn blue and
it will stay blue. So the whole room was lit

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up blue. And we had fallen asleep during the movie,
and I'd woken up at like two or three in
the morning. I have no idea, I just know it
was in the middle of the night. The screen was blue,
which meant the VHS had played out for a long time,
and I just I just woke right up. I had
this really weird, eerie feeling, and I peeked my head
up and looked behind me over the pool table, and

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there was a pure black cowboy standing like he looked
exactly like a there's an emblem for Wyoming that's like
a cowboy. And he's leaned up with his leg crossed
and his arms crossed it's like the wyoming kind of
emblem other than the guy riding the horse, but it

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looked exactly like that. He was leaned against the wall.
I could see jet he was jet black, but I
could see every detail of the outline of him. I
could see where his arms were acrossed. I could see
the wrinkles on the shirt on his elbow like. It
was so detailed. But the light coming down the stairs,

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it I would think it would like light him up,
so I could see maybe like his shirt color something,
nothing the blue light from the TV. He was just
pitch black, and it scared me. Scared the crap out
of me. At first, I thought it was his dad,
so I ducked down real quick, because you know, I
just didn't want his dad to think we were up
or I don't know, I I I was pretty scared.

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And I peeked up over the table a couple of
times after that just to see if it was still there.
And it never left. It stayed right there, never moved,
and eventually I fell asleep. I woke up the next
day and I asked his dad. Who was a little guy.
He's probably five foot two, a little man. He was
a wrestling coach. Really cool guy. I said, Hey, were

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you downstairs last night? Did you come check on us?
And he's no, why would I like that? No, I'm
not going to come check on you. And I told him,
I said, I saw this cowboy, and his dad was
not a cowboy, so I should have kind of put
that together. I said, I saw a cowboy standing downstairs
in the basement last night watching us, and his dad said, oh,

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that's weird. I've heard of a little girl in the house,
but never a cowboy, and that sent shivers up my spine.
I said, holy crap, like I had no idea his
house and I never stayed there again. That freaked me
out bad enough. I never stayed there again. That was
really eerie. It kind of gives me chills just talking
about it. I had another ghost experience in my house,

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the house we grew up in. My parents just moved
out of there last year, but I from third grade
all the way until I was out of high school.
My parents lived there and my middle brother had always
claimed it he'd see stuff in the house, but none
of us ever did. And my grandma lived in a
house directly behind us. It was like a little, tiny,
one bedroom house basically in our backyard, and my mom

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would always go and have coffee with her. And I
was taking a shower one day and I was in
the house by myself and I looked down and I
saw a little girl peeking her head in the shower,
and I absolutely just like white out fear. I froze
for a minute, and all I could think was I

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have to run. I have to run. I have to run.
So I whipped the shower curtain open. There's nobody there.
I don't have any sisters, I have two older brothers.
There's no girls around, No girls should be in the house.
I grabbed a towel and jetted button aked over to
my grandma's house when my mom was and I ran
in the house and I was like shaking and freaking out,
and my Grandma's like, what are you doing? You know,

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she's mad because I just busted into her house naked.
Basically I had a towel on. And my mom goes, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
what did you see? And I said, I saw a
little girl peek in on me in the shower, and
my mom started laughing and she goes, Yep, your brother's
seen a little girl, not in the bathroom, but he's
seen one in the house, and I was like, oh

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my gosh, which totally freaked me out. Only time I
ever seen it. And then as I got older, I
think I was in high school, me and my middle
brother believed in this stuff. But my oldest brother has
no belief and ghosts or anything like that. He's just
a guy who believes in that stuff. And I was

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I think I was just out of high school. I
came back to see my mom, and my mom believes
that she something attached itself to her and she brought
it back to the house because my brother had seen
something and I didn't know. And I was sitting on
her like a recliner chair, and next to the reclas
is the stairs that go downstairs. And I looked over

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and I saw an old lady coming up the stairs.
But she looked mad, like she had what I in
my brain when I see it, it's like a witch face,
like like a wicked witch like. She looked very upset
coming up the stairs, and I jumped, I jumped clean
out of that chair, and my mom started laughing and
she said, did you see the old lady? And I said, yeah,

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what was that, and she goes your oldest brother, who
doesn't believe in that stuff, also seeing her while he
was sitting there, and I was like, holy crap, it's
scared to crap out of me. My mom got a
kick out of it. But I'm not afraid of a lot.
But ghosts are definitely one of those that I would
just rather not have contact with at all. For paranormal stuff.

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I mean, I lived in a I would call it
a haunted apartment before I moved to Nebraska, but it wasn't.
It was just noises, you'd hear people come up the stairs.
There would be nobody there. Nothing ever moved, you know,
nothing was ever scary. It wasn't Poultergeist, but that was
I think that was about it for probably for my

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ghost experiences, super scary. Though I do not like ghosts.
I don't like anything that has to do with ghosts
or demons. That stuff scares the crap out of me.
But after I moved out in Wyoming, you got like
two options. You could either move to another state or
you go to the oil field. So I went to
the oil field probably about twenty twelve. I lived in Casper,

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but I worked in North Dakota and we would do
like twenty nine days on. I worked for a casing
inspection crew, so we would drive from rig to rig
and we'd clean and inspect their casing and then we'd
drive back. My first I would call it sighting of
a UFO. I don't It wasn't quite a UFO. It

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was just a light. But we had just finished it
was probably in twenty twelve. We had finished doing casing
and we're waiting on our boss to talk to the
company man on the rig and we're all standing around
and we're bull crapping and it's the middle of the
night and we are in nowhere, North Dakota, and it
but it's beautiful out clear clear skies. You can see

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every star in the sky. There's no light pollution. We
are in the middle of the prairie, absolutely gorgeous, and
I'm talking to a guy and we're looking up at
the stars, just kind of chit chatting, and we see
this this It looks like a star. It has the
same brightness of a star. Like it's not like a
spotlight or anything like that. It just but it's it's

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getting bigger and bigger and bigger, and we're like, what
is that. That is so weird, Like, look how big
it is?

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And it was.

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It started out the size of a star, so we
didn't notice it, but by the time we were like
really focusing on it, it was probably the size of
like an apple if you held it up. It was like,
look like it was right on top of us, and
there's a fifteen guys on our crew and we're like, dude,
look at that. And when we told him about it
and looked up, it was gone. It had just vanished

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out of the sky. There was no no, it wasn't
a plane. There was no noise, there was nothing. Me
and the guy are just like, holy crap, Like apparently
we're the only two that saw that, because everybody else
is like, I don't know what you're looking at. And
we're like, well, it was right there above us, like
directly above us. It was huge, and then it blinked out.
So we were like, oh man, that was crazy. Kind

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of hyped on that for a while, but of course
it's the oil field. We got over it. We couldn't
explain it, so we just figured out whatever it was,
probably something plane or something. We're in the middle of Nordak,
who knows I would say, I wouldn't even say. It
was a few months later. We would drive from North
Dakota we were staying and kill Deer, and then we

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would drive all the way back to Casper, which took
us about nine and a half hours. So we would
drive from North Dakota to keep from kill Deer all
the way to Miles City, Montana, which is about the
halfway point. We'd get gas, we'd get food and stuff,
and then we'd do the last four and a half
hours down to Casper. So in between Miles City and Wyoming,

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there's nothing there. It's literal open planes. Uh, there's not
even telephone wires. There's there's no power lines. There's nothing
on this road we took. I mean, it's just flat prairie.
You could see for miles and miles and I got
I'm driving a shuttle van and we probably I probably
got nine guys in there with me. And these guys

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are all you know, a lot of them are ex convicts.
Everybody's just kind of doing their own thing. It's a
long drive. Everybody's got headphones in. Some people are sleeping.
I'm driving. It is absolutely clear sky blue skies as
far as you can see there's not a single cloud.
We're driving probably an hour outside of Miles City, and

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I look over to my left out of my driver's
side window, and I see clear as day, one hundred
and fifty yards off the road, a cigar shaped tube
that is super bright like silver, like as clean silver
as I've ever seen. It looked like polished silver. And

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it's just floating above the ground, like fifty feet there.
I can see underneath it, I can see behind it,
and it's just it's like one hundred and fifty yards
off the road. And I'm confused for a second because
I'm looking, thinking like there's no power lines out here.
There's nothing out here, Like there's not a building out here.
There's not even animals out there. I mean, there's nothing
out there. And I tell the guy in my passenger seat,

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I said, what is that? And he's like, I don't know.
So I wake everybody up. I get everybody's attention in
the van, because I'm not going to be the only
one who sees this. And I'm yelling at Eric, get hey, everybody,
get up, get h get up. And I tell him
what is that? And they're all looking and they're like
I don't know. And then as we're all staring at it,
probably within like ten five ten seconds of everybody looking

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at it, like an old tube TV turns off where
it looks like the picture folds into itself, like boop,
that's what it did. It it was there, and then
all of a sudden, it just disappeared, and I lost it.
I went off the rails. I was like, did you
see that? Holy crap? Had you know? I'm losing my mind.

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Nobody else is excited, and I'm like what. I'm like,
you guys act like you've seen something like that. I'm like, noney,
you ever seen nothing like that before? Like how is
that not blowing your guys' minds? And everybody was just like, eh,
like yeah, that was cool, I guess, and which kind
of took me back. But I've listened to the show enough.
I've heard actually that happens a lot, which at the

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time I knew nothing about UFOs. I was not into
that stuff. I had no I was like confused, like,
do you guys know what that was? And I'm an idiot,
but nobody knew what that was. I was the only
one who freaked who was freaking out about it. But
because of that, I I kind of really didn't say
anything because I felt kind of like an idiot, Like

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I was so excited and out of my mind about it,
but nobody else was. And I was kind of the
younger guy on the crew and all these some of
these guys were a lot older than me and had
been out there a long time, so you think that
they would see a lot. But I was pretty blown away.
I was like, man, that is that is absolutely crazy.
Oh I forgot uh. So there, I had an incident

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before any of this happened, and I feel like an
idiot for bringing it up. But I just talked to
my buddy, two of my buddies recently after I after
I set this uh interview up, I talked to two
of my buddies because I wanted to make sure I
wasn't like kind of hyping myself up about what happened.
So we were I was at a bar in Casper,

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and this is before the UFO stuff in the oil field,
but I was still working in the oil field and
I was hanging out with my buddies, and this couple
came up to me. As is a very small town,
like everybody knows everybody. I got friends that went to
all the schools. Everybody knows everybody. If you're our age,
we know you. That's just kind of the way it is.

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And I had these two people walk up to me
and they were my age. One of them was a
kind of a heftier looking Hispanic dude, and he was
with this beautiful brunette woman. And they look normal except
for they were wearing like nineteen seventies clothing, which I
thought was like really odd. It was like the first

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thing I noticed was like their bell bottom pants. I mean,
the guy looked like somebody straight off of that seventies show,
like he just the stuff he was wearing just did
not match at all with like that time. And they
started talking to me like randomly. I don't know who
these people are. I've never met him. None of my
friends knew who they were. I don't I never got

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their names. But they just started asking me questions about
like my belief systems. Don't even know how to explain it,
not like religion or anything, but just like my views
on the world, like my views on things. So I just,
you know, I was drinking. I started talking to him.
I'm a very chatty guy. I'm a very nice guy.
I can get along with anybody, and if you're nice

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to me, of course I'm gonna be nice to you.
You know, make two new friends. So we're chatting. As
far as I remember, they were super nice. They didn't
really talk a lot. They let me kind of go off,
and my buddies were like, Hey, we're gonna go back
to this other dude's house and we're gonna go into
his backyard and drink some beer. Like screw the bar,

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you know, it's too expensive. Let's get some cases and
let's go drink it at our buddy's house. And I'm like,
that's perfect. So I told these two people. I'm like,
you guys want to come with us? And they're like, yeah,
we'll go. And I was like, all right, cool, just
follow us. I jumped in with my buddies. I never
seen what they drove or what they were in. I
don't know. They followed us, apparently because they were at

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the house with us. So we're all in the backyard
and we're talking and it's just me and them. They
didn't talk to anybody else. They didn't talk to any
of my friends, nobody else. My friends didn't come talk
to us nothing, and we were talking and then all
of a sudden, they said, we're not from around here.
And in my mind, I thought, well, yeah, I can

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see that, like I can tell, for one, you're dressed
really weird, and no nobody knows you like I knew
you weren't from around here. And they said, no, we're
not from this planet. And immediately, because I was in
my young twenties full of pisson vinegar, I was just like, ah,
these people are weird, like they kind of that really
threw me off. My best friend, who had been best

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friends with since I was in third grade, was out
beyond the fence taking a leak on a tree. So
I was like, okay, well I'm going to go to
the bathroom real quick. And this is what I had
to ask my buddy about because I was like, I
want to remember. I want to see if I'm remembering
what happened right, and if you remember these people. And

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he confirmed this, and so I went over to him
because he's my best friend, so I can definitely tell
him this. And I walked over and I said, dude,
you know I'm taking a pee by him, and I
was like, dude, these guys just told me that they
weren't from this planet and he started laughing and he's like, yeah,
they did kind of seem weird, and I was like, yeah,
Well then I turned around and they were standing directly

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behind us, like and I had that like shame feeling.
We're like, you get caught talking crap on somebody and
they're standing right behind you, because that's exactly what happened.
And I was like, oh my gosh, it was like
it was like shame. And then immediately they were they
were They weren't upset, seemed at all. They were just like, Okay,
well we're gonna go, and I was like okay. And

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then I never really thought anything of it. I just
always thought, man, what a weird encounter until I saw
that UFO and then I got this like overwhelming feeling
of oh my gosh, I'm such an idiot, Like, ah,
I could have potentially had an interaction. Now I'm not
saying these people were they were very weird. I've never

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met him before, none of my friends ever met him.
If at all it was possible that they were something else.
I completely screwed it up with my ego and it
bummed me out. It bummed me out something fierce. But
so after all that, the UFO that I saw, the
cigar shaped one, that was the last thing I ever
had happened to me. That was, you know, probably like

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twenty fourteens or twenty, I don't know, somewhere in the
early twenty tens. And then I never thought about UFOs again.
And then the oil field died out. I moved to Nebraska,
married my wife. We lived in a nice little town that,
come to find out, is famous for a UFO abduction.

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And I guess in the sixties, a UFO landed or
hovered above a water tower here and they abducted the
sheriff of the town. And it wasn't like a bad abduction.
They abducted him. They like showed him around the ship
said you know, this is this is what we do this.
Look check out our ship. The guy was like, oh,

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this is awesome, and they're like, all right, man, thanks
for coming by. We'll see you later, dropped him back
down and they took off. So that's this little town
I live in is famous for this. And when I
found that out, it like kind of triggered all these
old memories of like, holy crap, I've had UFO experiences
like that's awesome. So coming from Casper in Wyoming, which

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there's nothing there. I mean, you can't even see a concerts,
there's nothing there. You got to go to Denver or
somewhere bigger. So I asked my wife, who'd lived here
for ten years already. I said, I said, is there
anything like UFO groups here? And she said, I think,
you know, look it up. I'm sure Omaha has something,
or Lincoln. So I looked it up and I found
Moufon and there's like an actual Mofon group that you

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can go to if you want, and you can sit
in on a meeting that's held out a college in Omaha.
And I was like, oh, that's awesome. So I got
ahold of him. They're like, yeah, come you know. So
that's what I did. I went by sat in on
one of their meetings and they were like, okay, we'll
tell us your thing. So I told them all you
know about these little incidences that happened. And I'm not

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saying all Moufun's bad, but the feeling I got from
these guys was they didn't care about anything unless it
was abduction. Unless you've been abducted. They didn't really care
about your story, Like that's all they wanted to hear
was because they kept saying, were you abducted? Can you
remember an abduct No, I don't think I was abducted. Well,
you know, unless you got proof, we really don't care.

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And it was like, ah, that sucks. But there was
one guy there. His name was Fred, real nice guy.
He was an abductee, and he would he told me,
you know, he pulled me off to the side of
the end. I think he could kind of tell that
I was a little bummed out about the response I got.
And he's like, dude, you should go home and meditate,
like practice. I never meditated before, nothing like that. He's like,

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you know, do this, you know, picture yourself out in
the universe whatever, meditate and then just ask for some connection,
you know, put it out there. So I was like,
all right, you know, might as well give it a try.
So this is like in twenty eighteen. Now. My wife
is a forensic entomologist. She's a professor at a college here.

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She is very much science, very much non religious, doesn't
really believe in any of that kind of stuff. I
think she believes a little bit in aliens because of
her she had some things happened to her when she
was a kid, but she's not she's more if I
can't see it or feel it, it's not really real.
So I didn't really have herd a bounce off of
when it comes to this kind of stuff. So I

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was just kind of winging it and my mom. I
would call her and ask her about stuff like that,
and she would just you know, eh, you know, you
just gotta, you know, do what they you know, try
to meditate or you know. My mom is what they
call it. She calls herself a dream walker, where she
feels like she can travel in her dreams. So when
it comes to dreams, I can talk to her, but
anything else she's just kind of she doesn't really know about.

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So I go home and I do for a couple
of nights and nothing happens, and I'm like, you know,
meditation was nice, Like I enjoyed it. I enjoyed calming
my body down. And then one night I had this.
It was a very short dream, but I was in
a white room, sitting cross legged from my wife, and

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I feel like we were wearing like these white like
hospital clothes. It looked like like pure white hospital looking
clothes and there was somebody saying something and I can't remember.
I have no idea what it was. It was like
kind of muffled like, and my wife reached out and
put her hand on my leg, and I climax like

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like I with just her reaching out and putting her
hand on my leg, and I was like, I woke
up immediately after that, like I felt the sensation and everything.
And I woke up immediately after that. And my wife
woke up at the same exact time. And I looked
over at her and I said, I just had to
weirdest dream and she said, yeah, I just had a
dream that a sex dream about you, but you came early.

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And I was like, holy crap, like that blew me.
And then I told her my dream and I was like, well,
I was sitting Indian style in front of you. You
reached out and touched me, and I you know, She's
like she never really said anything about what her dream was.
It was just more like like we never really got
to it. But the fact that that happened to us
both in the same night, the same dream, after I

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had reached out, you know, mentally or whatever. Hell to
the universe. It just it kind of freaked me out
a little bit and I was like, holy crap, Like
it was exciting at the same time, it was very scary.
I have not done that again, although I really want to.
I want to like put it out there, but I'm
super I'm a little sketched out about, you know, something
dark coming because I don't really know how to protect

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myself when it comes to all that. I just, ugh,
it was just creepy. It was very scary. It was
pretty intense. Oh okay, So I wanted to talk about
this dream I had. This is a dream I had
before I was I'm pretty sure it's before any of
the alien stuff, while I was in the oil field.
But I was in the oil field and this dream,

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this was a dream that impacted me so deeply for
what I had to call my mom to ask her
because I was beside myself emotionally, like I've never had
anything like touch my heart or or like my soul
as much as a dream like this did. And it
was a super weird dream. And now where I'm at

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in life now, it kind of weirdly filled a bunch
of the blanks in But I'll tell you the dream.
So I had a dream. This is before I ever
had kids. I was living by myself or with my buddy.
I was in my early twenties, you know, I was
five years away from having my son. I wasn't even
with my wife yet. I had this dream that I

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was in. It was pitch blackout and there was a
cornfield in front of me, and we were on these
like rolling hills, and it was me and this little
blonde girl and I had her by the hand, and
in my mind, I knew that I had to protect her,
Like there was like this deep knowing that, like I

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have to protect this girl. And there was black shadows
all around us. And I'm running towards the cornfield and
there's two like torches, like tiki torches at the front
of this cornfield. So it's lighting up this little pathway
in between the cornfields. And I just know in my brain,

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if I get to that light, we're gonna be okay.
Like if I can get us to the light, we're
gonna be fine. But there was all these black shadows
that I could see all around us. And as we're
running through this cornfield, I see a body and it
has a gun. Next to it. So I picked the
gun up and as we're running, I'm just shooting into
the darkness at these figures and I don't know if

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I'm hit any of them or anything. And we get
to the light finally, and we're in between the cornfield.
There's like a pathway in between it, so we're in
between and I turn around and I look at this
little girl and I am completely full of rage because
I know who she is. And I said, who are you?

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And she said, I'm your daughter, and I said, I
know you're my daughter. Why don't I remember you? Because
in my brain I knew she was my daughter, but
she was like eight years old and I have zero
memory of her at all. And it angered me so
much that I didn't remember her at all, no memory
of her. And she got mad and said you don't

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remember me because you won't allow it. And then it ended,
and like it was, I woke up and I was
completely beside me. I was crying. I called my mom.
I'm like, what does this mean? And she's like, I
don't know. You know, I didn't. I hadn't. I don't
even have a girl in front of the time. I
was not planning on having kids anytime soon. It's still

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to this day, it still shook me and I you know,
I was living in Wyoming, where there's just flat prairies,
and then I moved to Nebraska where it's all cornfields.
I still I don't have a daughter, I have a son.
I don't know. I don't know what it all meant
to me. After I started getting more and more into this.

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I don't want to say it like a child, like
a like a star child or something, you know, something
like that, like I I have like an alien baby
or something. But it was the it's still it was
the most impactful dream I've ever had. I've never fe
the feeling I had. The reason why I was so
upset was because the feeling that I had for her

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was only the feeling that a parent has for their child,
like the love. What freaked me out the most was
I'd never felt any emotion like that, power wise, like
love wise, until I had my son, and then it
in my head like holy crap, like this, the amount
of fear and love all mixed into one is like

(55:08):
you can only know if you've had a child like that.
You're so afraid, but you love them so much. It's
like a combined fear love feeling. But it's so overwhelming
and happy. But it's I felt that with that little
girl in my dream, but I've never I never knew
what it was until I had my own son, and
then I felt it again and I'm like, oh, that's

(55:28):
what that was. But I don't know why that would
resonate in me in a dream with a little girl
I've never met, especially a little blonde girl. I'm I
have never met a little you know, I don't have kids,
She's not mine, so I don't know.

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Speaker 1 (56:57):
But that was a crazy impactful. I know a lot
of people there's like weirdness about dreams, but that's when
I can't shake. I don't know. I think that's all
I don't. I don't really have much else.

Speaker 4 (57:11):
Yeah, that is a strange one, and that is an
odd dream with your with your daughter.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
Oh yeah, Now I'm telling you, I've never and to
this day, I've never had a dream like that, and
I've never had one that impact. I've had into the
world dreams. Those are almost constant for me and I
don't know why, but that was that dream impacted me
so much. It was so weird because I didn't have kids,
I wasn't thinking about having kids, and then for that

(57:37):
to happen all I could think of, was like, does
this mean I'm gonna have a daughter or something? And
then I had my son, so I'm like, well that
doesn't make sense. I had a boy, not a girl,
and me and my wife are not having kids.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
Like that was it?

Speaker 4 (57:51):
One and done so And it's weird that she said
you don't remember or you don't want to remember.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
Yes, it was weird to me that I was so
angry at her it was her fault that I didn't
remember her, because that was what was going through my head,
like it's your fault that I can't remember you. Why
can't I remember you? And I was so mad at her.
And then she was like because you won't allow it.
And then I was like, well, what the heck does
that mean? And then I didn't say that out loud,
but in my mind that's what I was thinking, what

(58:18):
does that mean? And then I woke up. Oh my gosh,
that was a very impactful dream.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
Man.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
I Yeah, I don't know. I don't even know how
to explain it.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
It was weird.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
It's still a weird dream even though I even even
though I have a kid, it's still weird.

Speaker 4 (58:34):
When did you When did you have that one?

Speaker 1 (58:36):
Oh, it's probably like twenty twelve, twenty thirteen.

Speaker 4 (58:39):
Ish, and you've not had you know, I had anything
lie that since.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
No, never never had a dream of a girl, never
of a of a I've had dreams with my son,
but never of any any children like that. And that
one was so weird though, because it's to me it
has like a kind of a coincidence that after that
I moved to a state that is known for corn.
Nebraska is the corn state. So in that dream I

(59:05):
was going to a cornfield, and then I moved later
on to a state that is surrounded in cornfields. Everything
around us is corn. I don't know. It's almost like
I was foreseeing like this is where I needed to
go or something. I don't know. It was weird.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
Yeah, it's very odd. It is interesting though, it is odd.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
Yeah, and I would I would have never guessed to
move to Nebraska. This is not a state I want
to live in.

Speaker 4 (59:31):
Do you like corn?

Speaker 1 (59:32):
I hate corn. My allergies here are absolutely crippling, Like
every spring, fall and winter, I am a complete mess
of allergies.

Speaker 4 (59:44):
So the marginal is, if you have allergies, don't move
to the corn hust state.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Oh my gosh, don't move here. It is terrible and
the humidity is even worse.

Speaker 4 (59:55):
See I love corn.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
Oh, I can't stand. Yeah, that's Nebraska where I live.

Speaker 4 (01:00:01):
Our county is famous. I live in Gloucestershire and we're
famous for sausages, Gloucester Sausages, and we're famous for cheese
because we have this hill just down the.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
Road from me, and it's oh, you guys, do the
cheese run there?

Speaker 4 (01:00:14):
The cheese, the cheese rolling.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
Yeah. Yeah. I saw a documentary on that that looked
Oh man, I felt so bad for those people that
break their bones. I'm like, oh my gosh, and all
you get is a break of cheese.

Speaker 4 (01:00:28):
It's been going about well over one hundred to two
hundred years. I think I first went up there in
the eighties. Every year more and more people go. Thousands
of people go now from more around the world, but
used to go, and it used to be only really
people from the town. The cheese is pretty big. It's
a big old weel of cheese, all right, and it
flies down that hill. It's a serious incline to that hill.
I've been up and I've been down that hill. It's

(01:00:49):
called Cooper's Hill, but yeah, it's mental.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
Oh crap, man, I've seen that. They had like a
little documentary on it on that cheese hill, like a
girl who is a champion of it. I was like, man,
but she like broke her ankle.

Speaker 4 (01:01:02):
And yeah, collar bones on legs. Everything that's a wea'y
famous for and rugby.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
Geez man, we're not famous for anything other than corn.

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
Wasn't Children of Corn film?

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
There was?

Speaker 4 (01:01:14):
That? Was that Nebraska?

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
Yeah, it's gotta be Nebraska. Yeah, I don't know this
is I don't consider this my state at all. I'm
a Wyoming guy, Like I grew up there. I was
born in North Carolina, so I was born on the
East coast, and then I moved to Wyoming at a
year old. So that's that's my home. So I'm all
about mountains and hunting and fishing and that's where I
grew up. And then I moved to a state that's

(01:01:37):
completely flat with no mountains. Was like, man, what am
I thinking here?

Speaker 5 (01:01:42):
Now?

Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
This cylinder craft you saw you said it was about
one hundred and fifty foot off the road.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Yeah, like one hundred and fifty yards. Yeah, it's probably
floating because it was floating. It was stationary. It never
moved the best way. The size of it. I would say,
if you took like a fat sharpie and just held
it in front of you, like at arm's length. It
was that it was a big craft, like the size
of like a fat sharpie in your hand, and it

(01:02:10):
was like fifty feet off the ground. And it didn't
I couldn't see anything. It would just look like a
like like it just like a cigar tube. That's exactly
how I explained it. And this was before I ever
knew anything about alien space crafts. All I knew was saucers,
like you know, the classic saucer spacecraft. I had no
idea that cigar shaped ships were a thing. And then

(01:02:33):
when I saw that, you know, and then I learned it,
I'm like, holy crap, I've seen one of those, Like
this is amazing.

Speaker 5 (01:02:39):
And it was.

Speaker 4 (01:02:39):
It was.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
It was exactly. It was a cigar That's what it
looked like, just a cigar shape it was. It didn't
move nothing. Then it just it blipped out. It just
it like sucked into itself black hole in the middle
of it just whip gone, like it blinked out of
this dimension. I don't it completely blew my mind. I
was blown away, but nobody else was. It was like

(01:03:02):
they had seen something like that before, and it completely threw.

Speaker 4 (01:03:05):
Me off, completely blase about it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Well, and then the fact that there was like nine
of us and none of them thought that it was
insane like that, And I'm screaming, you never seen nothing
like that before? How are you guys not excited or
freaking out about this? And they were just like nah,
because I'm not the guy to let it go, like
oh yeah, million No. I was like, how how are
none of you guys freaking out like that?

Speaker 4 (01:03:30):
Was?

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
None of you ever seen nothing like that before. I've
never seen anything like that before. And they were just like, eh,
you know, eh, like not a big deal. And then
I to me, I just thought that that was just
very strange until I was listening to your podcast and
started finding out that happens a lot, like a lot
of people see that experienced people just about something incredibly

(01:03:55):
strange or you know, something nobody's ever seen before, Like ha,
I just in my brain I could not fathom how
they were not as excited as I was about it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:04):
Yeah, sure, the alien UFO apathy.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
Yeah, And I again, I had no idea that that
was even a thing. I literally just could not explain
it in my brain, like, how are you guys not
as excited as I am? That was the craziest thing
I've ever seen, And still to this day, I've never
seen anything like that. I mean, something just completely disappearing,
like blop blipped out in less than a second while

(01:04:29):
we're all looking at it. It's not like we looked
away and looked back and it was gone. We watched
it do it, We watched it disappear. That was to me,
that was what was the craziest part. Like if I
looked away and then looked back and it was gone,
I might have tried to think, Okay, maybe it was
you know something, maybe you know, I don't know, maybe
I was just imagining that or I don't know, But

(01:04:52):
the fact that we were all staring at it, all
of us, and then it just disappeared while we were
looking at it, and there was the we had another
company truck in front of us and they didn't see anything.
They didn't see it at all, but it was so
big and right off the road. It was like, how
do you not see that? It's right next to us?
Like I just glanced out of my window and there

(01:05:12):
it was, but they didn't see it, and they were
they were a car length ahead of me, and none
of them saw it. And there was five guys in
that truck in front of us.

Speaker 4 (01:05:22):
And it was in the afternoon, wasn't it? So what nice? Nice?

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
I think we leave at seven in the morning. It's
about four and a half hours to Miles City. And
like I said, we're we're probably forty five minutes to
an hour outside of Miles City. So it was the
dead middle of the new like afternoon, completely blue skies,
beautiful out. I mean, not not a cloud in the sky.
The wind wasn't blowing. It was middle of i'd say summer.

(01:05:50):
It was nice out. It was beautiful, Yeah, there was.
It was nothing and there's no power lines, there was
no there was nothing out there. It's just flat, that's
all there is. And then there it was. It was
just sitting there, just chilling by the by the road,
and nobody, nobody seemed to care. It just seemed like

(01:06:10):
I was the only one who was completely out of
my mind about it. And I mean I've I've talked
to my buddy that I worked with because I I
couldn't remember if he was on that trip with us
and I called him like a week ago and I
was like, do you remember that? And he's like no, man,
He's like, I only remember you telling me about it.
Like nobody else said anything about it. I was the

(01:06:32):
only one even after the fact that was like, oh
my gosh, you know we saw we saw UFO. Nobody
else said anything about it. Nobody cared.

Speaker 4 (01:06:41):
Do you see any features with the object?

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
No, it was like a very shiny silver that was
That was all I could tell. Like, it was absolutely
it was the perfect cigar shape. There was nothing on it,
no windows, no, nothing like that. And it was just
beautifully paula absolutely flawlessly polished.

Speaker 4 (01:07:03):
And he just blinked like a TV.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
Yeah, like an old tube TV, because I mean it
didn't like it was like it sucked into the middle
of it, like that's what it looked like. Everything disappeared
from the edges inward like it like an old tube
TV that turns off the picture. Just everything goes into
the middle of the screen like that's what it did.

Speaker 4 (01:07:23):
Yeah, that's pretty interesting. Now you and your family are
quite open with the paranormal, right.

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
Yeah, yeah, my mom my, dad's more old school Western
I don't think he believes in aliens per se, but
he definitely believes in ghosts. My dad's very tough, military,
very old school. I didn't I never really went to
him about ghosts because I never thought he would. I

(01:07:49):
didn't think he believed in it until I got older,
and then he told me a story about a house
that we all lived in when I was little, and
we lived in it. My grandma, the one who lived
behind us in that other ghost story, she's kind of
always lived with us, like around us. It's my mom's mom,
and she lived in this house with us, and I

(01:08:11):
don't remember this house ever being scary anything like that,
but her, my grandma, my mom, and my dad were
all having coffee at the table in the kitchen, and
my mom was walking to the front door, and then
my mom had one of these. Have you ever seen
a six wick candle? About nine inches around and about
a foot tall. They weighed like five pounds. They're huge candles,

(01:08:35):
my dad said, him and my grandma were sitting in
the in the kitchen drinking coffee, talking and my mom
got up to go to the front door. I think
she was leaving, and that candle was in the living
room and it flew off the table and hit my mom.
And my mom turned around and said, like that for one,
that's not funny, Like that's a big candle. Don't throw

(01:08:56):
it at me. And she said that my dad and
my grandma were ghost and they were like, we didn't
throw that at you. That came off the table next
to you. So my dad and then I was like, okay, okay, cool.
So my dad does believe in this stuff somewhat. But
my mom's always been very very you know, she believes
very much in the spirits, but she she grew up

(01:09:18):
Native American, so she's she has like weird connections to
the spirit world. My grandfather heard her dad is an impath.
I think he's. He claims that he can connect with
his dead brother and that he talks to his parents
still and he's eighty so he says he still claims, yeah,

(01:09:38):
I can, I can speak to him like they talk
to me. But he's very much Native American belief. Like
I don't even know because I don't I don't follow
that stuff, but yeah, that's my mom. When I started
telling my mom about the dreams that I have the
first thing she told me, is you have the gift too?
And I said a lot, what does that mean? And
she said her grandmother, Mammy, that's what she called her,

(01:10:02):
was an impath and she had foresight. And then my
mom is a dream walker and also has somewhat foresight,
so she can she like senses things that are bad
before they happen. My uncle, her brother, just died at
the end of this last year of COVID and my
mom had called him a couple of times just to

(01:10:24):
check on him, and one day she just woke up
and told my dad, we have to go to his
house now, and they were rushed over there and he
was almost dead. He was blue, his oxygen levels were
completely depleted, and she's like, I don't know why, but
when I woke up, I had this overwhelming feeling that
he was in trouble, and I mean he passed away

(01:10:46):
from it. But my mom just has like this weird sense.
She can sense these types of things, like it's very
strong in her. And she's always told me, like, you
you need to figure out how to how to control
it if you do have it, because it's it can
be useful. I guess I don't know. I've always kind
of been not skeptical, but just like ah, bland about
it because I don't know anybody who has any knowledge

(01:11:08):
in that stuff. So to me, it's I'm like, I
have no help. So I'm like, well, I'm just gonna
not think about it because I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:11:15):
It could be an interesting thing to explore, you know,
especially your heritage and all and h yeah, you know,
especially mum's a dream walker. I mean that's pretty cool.

Speaker 5 (01:11:23):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:11:24):
Anytime she wants to come on and share some of
those accounts, she is more than welcome.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
Yeah, and I don't even know what a dream walker
is all she tolds she and my dad has even said, yeah,
there's something. There's something going on with your mom is
that she says she can she can travel to different
planes when she's asleep, like not like airplanes, but she
she can travel other places when she's sleeping. She told
me that my grandpa also has the ability. She said

(01:11:50):
that they live an hour apart, and she said that
she had coffee with him in his kitchen while she
was sleeping, like she traveled to his house and drank
coffee with him. And then I was like, well, how
do you know that wasn't a dream. And she's like,
because I talked to your grandpa and he told me
that I was there drinking coffee with him. I was like, whoa,

(01:12:11):
Like that's I don't know, it's very bizarre. It's just
I'm more of my dad's son than my mom's, you know,
so I'm more old school kind of stubborn about it.
But again, my mom said that there was a girl,
a lady, who was supposed to teach her how to
like how to use it, but that lady died before

(01:12:32):
she ever got to teach my mom anything. So my
mom was just kind of left to her own to
figure it out. But she's like, I don't know enough
about it to help you, so get a book and
read about it. But I'm not even for sure that
I have any Like I'm not an impath. I cannot
communicate with anything beyond myself, thank God, because I think
I would die of fright. But foresight maybe there's I've

(01:12:54):
had a couple of experiences where I thought something and
then it happened moments later, and I'll was like, well
that's kind of weird, that's a little that's a little strange.
There was oh man, the weirdest one. And this was
even hard for me to believe. When it happened, I
was walking. I was a little kid. I was probably
ten years old, and I was walking through a field

(01:13:17):
going across the park to go see my buddy, and
a car was driving. And when you're a kid, you're
just thinking weird stuff. When you walk by yourself, you
just kind of always thinking of weird stuff. And I
saw a vehicle, like a truck, driving down the road
that I was about ready to come to, and all
I thought in my head was that car, somebody's gonna
pull a gun out point a gun at me from

(01:13:38):
that car. And when I looked up, there was a
kid with his arm leaned out the window with a
cap gun pointed at me, and it was my As
soon as I saw who it was, it was my buddy.
But it always kind of blew my mind a little
bit that I was like, I totally thought that that
was gonna happen right before it happened. And it was
like a cap gun, like it was just a little
cap gun. He was just saying, what's up. But I

(01:14:00):
when I saw the truck, there was no windows down,
it was just a truck. I didn't recognize it, and
I thought, oh, somebody's gonna pull a gun on me
in that truck. And when I looked up, my buddy
was leaned out the window with a cab gun pointed
at me. And I was just like, holy crap, that's weird.
And I told my mom about it, and that's you know,
that's when she started telling me like, oh, you might
have you might have something, you might have the gift
that's in our family. And I was like, oh, that's weird.

(01:14:22):
And I've dreamt I remember as being a kid, it
would be nothing, nothing great, nothing spectacular. I would dream
things and then they would happen, and it wasn't anything
bad or good. It was just certain things, like certain situations.
It would happen. And I would tell my mom in
the moment I dreamt about this, and she would say, no,

(01:14:43):
you have deja vu. No, And I tell her, no, no, no,
I remember the dream. I dreamt about this like this,
I've dreamt this before. This was that's not da dejah
VU's completely different feeling. It's like it's weird. It's like
reliving a memory. Yeah, It's like I don't even not
explain it, Like deja vu is like you're kind of
confused for a second, and you feel like you've been there.

(01:15:06):
In those incidences, it was I have dreamt this exact scenario.
I know what's happening, Like, this isn't a confusing moment.
I've dreamt. I dreamt this like the other night, this
this exact scenario. It's it's a way different feeling than
deja vu. But since I've gotten older, that doesn't really
happen to me much anymore. I don't know why, but
it just maybe my innocence depleted. But it doesn't really

(01:15:29):
happen much anymore. But I remember telling my mom that
a lot as a kid, like I've dreamt of I've
dreamt this before, like this moment we're in right now,
I've had a dream of it. And she's like, oh,
that's you know, that's strange. You know, you might have
the gift.

Speaker 4 (01:15:44):
I was like, okay, I don't know full sight, Yeah,
it sounds like it. It sounds like going on there.

Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
She told me, she's like, you know, because I was.
I haven't talked to her about this stuff in a
long time. So I called her after I talked, after
I'd emailed you, and I was like, Mom, I'm gonna
go on this show. I want to talk about this stuff,
but I don't want to sound like I'm crazy because
I actually don't know a lot about any of this stuff.
And I was like, you know, more a little bit
more than I do. And she's like, yeah, you know,

(01:16:11):
you might have to give to foresight and all this,
and I was like, okay, and she's like I told her,
I'm like, you know, I've always had horrifying dreams about
the end of the world always, and she's like, they're
all kind of natural disaster ishes and I was like,
so if I have foresight, I hope I don't because
I don't want that kind of stuff to come true
because it's always just terrifying in my dreams, and I

(01:16:32):
always die, Like it's not like I ever get away.
I always die at the end. I oh, I just
I had one the other night that was and they
always take place in Wyoming that I was driving in
Wyoming and there was a giant green sphere like cylinder
looking thing coming through the clouds and it was very

(01:16:54):
very bright green, which is to me this one was
not a natural disaster, but all the clouds were circling
around it almost like a tornado and then something shot
out of the end of it and everything went white
and I was like, holy crap. I woke up in
a sweat. I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa? That
was That one was intense. So I don't know that

(01:17:16):
was well. I told my buddy about that, my best
friend that I called to talk to him about the
other incident, and he's like, he said, he said what
he said? It was a green light? I said, yeah,
And where I had told him that the dream had
happened was around the mountain that we lived right at
the base of. And he said, a couple of years ago,

(01:17:36):
he went hunting with one of our other buddies and
he had driven back there and he had seen a
giant green light back in that area.

Speaker 3 (01:17:46):
And I was like whoa.

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
And he's like, I'm not saying they're connected. I'm just
saying that's really odd. I was like, well, I just
had this dream like a week ago, so I don't,
you know, I don't think there's any connection. But it
was just odd to him because he doesn't really believe
in this stuff. He's like, that's just really weird.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
He's like, I saw green light back there, like a
really bright one in the sky and he's like, I
can't explain it. I was like, Uh, that is weird.

Speaker 4 (01:18:07):
Try and have a better dreams. The thing we need
is end the world on a minute.

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
Yeah, they're usually about Yellowstone, and I think that was
basically growing up in Wyoming. There was always talk about
Yellowstone blowing right right, and it was always like, you know,
what's our survival raid and stuff. It was there a
lot of that happened when you're a kid in Wyoming.
Everybody talked about Yellowstone. So I think a lot of
the ones when I was a kid were that one

(01:18:36):
I had a The very first one I had was
unlike any dream I've ever had. And the older I get,
the weirder to me it becomes because I've never had
a dream like this, and it was about the end
of the world. I don't in my head, I think
a comet. It hit the planet. So where I lived,

(01:18:58):
we were running up the mountain, me and my buddy,
and all the ocean waves, like these gigantic thousand foot
waves had surrounded us from all sides three hundred and
sixty degrees and we're standing on the mountain and looking
all around us, and all the waves just stopped. All
just kind of sitting there, and then all of a sudden,

(01:19:20):
like our spirits left our bodies. It was like, I
can that's exactly what happened. Our spirits left our bodies.
Like we were blue and we just rose up and
I could see him and he could see me, but
we were just spirits and we were just rising into
the air. And then I woke up, and I thought
that was very weird. I never had a dream, and
that was when I was a little I was a

(01:19:40):
little kid when that happened. Yeah, that was a crazy dream.

Speaker 4 (01:19:44):
But yeah, that's it. Hopefully none of this will come true.

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
I don't know, man, that Spirit one was pretty cool. No,
the end of the world was, but that Spirit one.

Speaker 4 (01:19:54):
Was cool for sure, for sure. And I said, I
if this episode makes it to air, then we know
we've we've done okay for a few months at least.

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
Yeah. Yeah, no, I think we'll be fine.

Speaker 4 (01:20:05):
Yeah, we'll be fine.

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
No, no no alien takeovers, no nuclear holocaust. No, I've
never had dreams like that. It was basically Yellowstone and
some green thing that hit the earth.

Speaker 3 (01:20:16):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
Yeah, but whatever, it happened. You know, in every dream
it always ends like immediately, So I don't think anybody
will suffer.

Speaker 4 (01:20:26):
Yeah, that's the main thing. Let's just quickly go back
to the cowboy ghost. Yeah, you saw him in a
lot of detail, kind of shows with the image like
the Mobra man.

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
Yeah, yep. I wish that I could like show a
picture of this. There's there's a famous Wyoming my cowboy.
It's you know, Wyoming has its symbol. It's a it's
a Bronc rider. But there's another symbol that's a lot
like the Marlboro Man. Where's just a cowboy with his
arms crossed with his hat on. I think he's got
like a piece of hay in his mouth, and he's

(01:20:58):
got his arms crossed with one leg bent up over
the other, like leaning up against something. You know, that's
exactly what this guy looked like, exactly. There was no
there was I couldn't see through it. That's why I
thought it was his dad, because it was so solidly black.
All I could think of is this is a person.

(01:21:18):
But then as I started, you know, as I got
older and thought more about it, like the light from
the bottom of the stairs coming down where he was standing,
I should have been able to see him like something,
a color of a shirt, the color of his pants,
his boots, I should have been able to see some
sort of color to it. Because of the light. The
light was bright. I mean they left the kitchen light

(01:21:38):
on upstairs, and the blue light coming from the TV
coming the other way should have illuminated him in some
other way. At least his face never saw anything. He
was just jet black, completely black, and he never moved,
And man, I was so scared.

Speaker 4 (01:21:57):
That's cool, though, that's cool.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
And the buddy he has an older He has an
older sister and an older brother, and his older brother
is like twenty years older than us. So he was
already way moved out of the house. And his dad
told me the next day that it was his oldest
brother that had seen a little girl in the house.
So but to me, that shocked me. I mean, his
dad was the wrestling coach, like he was a he

(01:22:23):
was a no bullcrap guy, he was, but he was
very tiny, which I guess I just my my child's
brain never put together that if that was his dad,
it would have been a much smaller guy. He wouldn't
have been wearing cowboy clothes because his dad's not a cowboy.
He's always wore sweats and a T shirt, you know,
basically ready for wrestling practice type of guy.

Speaker 4 (01:22:45):
It was.

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
I don't know. It was very strange, but it was.
It shook me even more when his dad said, ah,
a little oh guy, that's weird. I never heard of
a cowboy, just a little girl. And I'm like, oh,
my goodness, your house is so hawned. I don't want
to stay here anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:23:02):
Could be that they've just never seen, you know, the
cowboy before. I.

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
Yeah, I don't. My buddy was sound asleep. I just
had woken up out of nowhere, like it hadn't. It
wasn't like anything had happened that woke me up. I
had just woken up, like being fresh out of sleep.
I was wide awake. I wasn't drowsy, I wasn't tired.
I was like when you when you catnap and you

(01:23:27):
wake up and you feel completely one percent after like
an hour. That's what it felt like like. I was
completely awake, and I felt like somebody was watching me.
So I peeked up over the table and there was
a guy, and I was like, holy crap, holy crap,
like almost crippling fear. But I was trying to tell
myself it was his dad checking on us. It's just
his dad checking on us. And then I kept looking

(01:23:49):
and he was still there. And then I'd peek over
again and he was still there. And I'm sure if
it was his dad, he would have said, dude, it's fine,
like you're okay, go to sleep, like you know, like
it would be clear to see a little kid do
that that he was scared. So if it was his dad,
I'm sure his dad would have relieved my fear and
been like, it's just me, you're you're okay.

Speaker 4 (01:24:08):
I was just jaking on you, you know, the same
as spurs going around as he walks away.

Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
I don't know, man, I never I never heard any noises.
I never heard anything. He never moved, He was stayed
in the same It was almost like a cardboard cutout,
you know, like that's what it seemed like that he
never moved an inch, never got closer further away, never
changed positions, just stood in that same spot like that.
No red eyes, no, nothing like that. It was just

(01:24:35):
a sheer, black, jet black figure.

Speaker 5 (01:24:38):
It was.

Speaker 1 (01:24:39):
It was. It was creepy.

Speaker 4 (01:24:42):
That's awesome, man, good stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
Yeah, man, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 4 (01:25:28):
A little off topic, not only have you been dabbling
in the paranormal, but you've been dabbling in podcasts, and
you've got You've got a little podcasts on the go,
right I do.

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:39):
It's just called two Drunk Bros. It has nothing to
do with aliens. It's just me and my buddy. We
just talk about everything and anything.

Speaker 4 (01:25:46):
Movies, video games, comics.

Speaker 1 (01:25:49):
Yes, a lot of them are about video games. Comics.
That was what we started for, was video games, comic books.
Start because we're huge, we're huge nerds, and then basically
it's kind of just dribbled into we just talk about everything.
Now live kids comic books where it's an absolutely hilarious podcast.
So we've been told we think we're funny, but other

(01:26:12):
people have told us that, yeah, you guys are pretty
good on there. So but it's just a little YouTube podcast.
They're really long episodes though, so if you're bored and
you ain't got a lot going on, you know, they're
easy to listen to. They're like two hours long.

Speaker 4 (01:26:24):
I'm gonna I'm gonna check it out. So if anyone
else wants to visit your you're only on YouTube, right, yeah,
only on YouTube?

Speaker 1 (01:26:31):
Okay, two drop not for the easily offended either. There
we my buddy and me have a a darker than
than most sense of humor.

Speaker 4 (01:26:42):
So cute. So you've been warned view discretion advice.

Speaker 1 (01:26:46):
Yes, you've been warned. Yeah, yeah, they're not for the
easily offended. Well, hey man, I absolutely appreciate you. I
love your show, dude, it's the best. I've listened to
a lot of UFO podcasts. After I listened to all yours,
I was like, I gotta fight something else to fill
the gap. There's nobody does it like you. It's it's
You're You've spoiled me for months now, and now now

(01:27:07):
that i've caught up. I'm like, dang it, nobody else
is as good as Nick. You just you've blown up.
You're just saying, yeah, well you you make this very easy.
That's I'm I'm sure a lot of people are like
pretty hesitant because they get nervous, but man, you just
roll in and make it super easy for people. Well,
i mean, not everybody comes from people who understand them either.

(01:27:31):
Maybe they're afraid of Oh if somebody hears this, you know,
I'm gonna get like ostracized from this group of people,
which I'm I'm super open about everything. I I I'm
one of those people who just don't care. Like my
mom and dad are pretty cool people. I've always had
a pretty good group and my friends are all They
know that I'm not going to make crap like that up.

(01:27:51):
So they're like, oh man, that's crazy, Like wish we
could have saw it, but yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:27:57):
So yeah, it's good that you're surrounded by people like that. Yeah,
not everyone has that, you know. I mean to be honest,
you know, I've had I've had people from NASA on here.
I've had scientists, I've had doctors, have had firefighters, truckers,
you name, it, and a lot of time we don't
say what their job is or even sometimes the name.
That's why we have to keep it. Sometimes keep the name.
But it's just everyday people, you know. So not everyone
is very articulate. Some people find it difficult to open up,

(01:28:21):
but I wanted to make it as easy as possible
for everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:28:24):
And yeah, and do you know, every episode of release,
I get more people contact me. I heard so and
so on what I've just heard Cody on and this
happened to me, and you know, so that's how it does.
It's snowballs.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
That's that's why I wanted to contact you, because I
heard so many stories that were like mine that in
my brain, I'm like, holy crap, that's totally like I
I've seen that, you know, I've felt that. That's crazy.
I've the dream thing. I never even put together that
it might have anything to do with this kind of
stuff until I listen to your podcast and I heard
all these people talking about their dreams, and I'm like, man,

(01:28:56):
like I've always had weird dreams, like my mom tells me, I'm,
you know, got some sort of thing going on, Like
maybe I should say something about it. Maybe somebody else
could connect with it. And then I heard a girl
you had on that said that she has always had
end of the world dreams, and I was like, holy crap,
Like me and that girl. I can't remember what episode
that was, but me and that girl had so much

(01:29:17):
in common just listening to her. I was like, holy crap,
Like this girl, I think she's She was the one
who said that she had an interaction about she was
one of five, and I was like, oh, I know
nothing about that, but she was talking about how she's
always had reoccurring into the world dreams, and I was like, man,
I've never talked to anybody else who's had those, Like

(01:29:38):
I keep them to myself because I just figure it's
just my brain.

Speaker 4 (01:29:41):
Yeah, I've had a few on but yeah, it's so
many reoccurring themes I have on this show.

Speaker 1 (01:29:46):
Now, Man, they got to mean something. Man, it's not coincidence,
you know, yeah, exactly. That's kind of what opened my eyes.
I'm like, well, other people have the exact same things
going on that I did. This cannot be a coincidence. Like,
even if they were all making it up, how does
everybody make up the same stuff? It just doesn't make
sense to me. So I'm like, eh, there's something to it.

Speaker 4 (01:30:05):
There's books I've read years ago, and there's people I
met that I've had experiences that haven't shared them all right,
and there's there's similarities in that that I'm hearing again
and again and again. And because these similarities are so subtle,
it's not a factor. So if someone's gonna lie, they're
going to pull certain things out and they're not going
to think about adding all these other fees. So it's

(01:30:25):
quite complicated. But yeah, a lot of these little similarities
do pop up now and again.

Speaker 1 (01:30:30):
Yeah, just just purely because you've had way more conversations
with people. I just want to ask you this because
my wife, again she's like a doctor full on, does
not believe in anything that she cannot see, touch or explain.
She told me, and this blew me away because she's
never told me anything like this. This was after the

(01:30:52):
dream thing, because I was like, I you know, I
was like, man, this is the UFO stuff. She's like, ah,
you know, ah. She told me that we she was
a little girl, she woke up in her bed and
there was what she all she can describe him as
is the Grinch. Sitting with his feet on her bed,
like he was sitting in a chair with his feet

(01:31:14):
cross legged on her bed. And she calls him the
Grinch because when he smiled, he had like a hundred
teeth and they were all jagged like the Grinch, Like
they were all overlapping each other, and there was just
like an enormous amount of teeth in his mouth. But
she said he sat there on her like, with his
feet on her bed for like an hour, and he
just smiled at her. And I was like, what like that.

(01:31:38):
I'd never heard anything like that. I've listened to her
podias every time I listen to people's stories. I listened
for something kind of like that. I've never heard any
other story like that. And she said she was so
scared she couldn't even scream. She was just frozen. Well,
but she said, she said he looked like the Grinch.

Speaker 4 (01:31:53):
I've had quite a lot of strange creatures and things
turn up in children's bedrooms, you know, especially when they
were younger. So get your wife to record it. We
put it on and then we'll see what else we get.

Speaker 1 (01:32:04):
Yeah, because I've never heard anybody else explain, like describe
anything quite like that. That was And she's only ever
told me that once. And I tried to talk to
her about it, and she's like, dang, you know, yeah,
she doesn't want to talk to me about it. But
I'm like, man, that is like that's crazy, like that
is a that's scary as hell, that's super scary.

Speaker 4 (01:32:22):
And she led there for an hour while he was
on the end of the bed, right.

Speaker 1 (01:32:25):
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. She just laid there staring at it,
she said. She said she was absolutely her dad was
a US marshal, so like you know, her dad was
her protector. And she said she was so scared she
couldn't do anything, like and it didn't move. She said
it just smiled at her and she could see all
of its teeth and it was just like not sharp teeth,
just like the Grinch, like all of all the teeth

(01:32:46):
overlapping each other, and there was just hundreds of them,
hundreds of teeth in its mouth.

Speaker 4 (01:32:49):
Yeah, that's pretty us insane.

Speaker 1 (01:32:51):
Yeah, that's pretty scary. Oh man, man, I want my
wife to get on here. My wife has had incredible
We had a black cat that just died last year.
Her name with Circe. My wife had her for like
nineteen years and my wife only allows black animals in
our house because she had a dream when she was
in college that she was attacked by a dog with

(01:33:11):
red eyes, and when she woke up, there was a dog,
a black dog, outside of her window. She had a
basement room and there was a basement window. There was
a dog outside of her window growling, and her cat, Circe,
who just died last year, attacked that dog. And my
wife said it was like a vampire dream, like a

(01:33:33):
vampire had turned into this black dog and was trying
to attack her, and her cat, Circe, had saved her
from it. And so my wife is like a full
on believer in that kind of stuff. She's like, we
can only have black animals, black cats. We have two
black cats right now, since Circe died. I have a
black lab and I have a pit bull who's white,
which my wife is not a fan of, but he's

(01:33:54):
mine and I moved I moved here with him. So
but yeah, she's she's a huge believer in that kind
of stuff, just not aliens, which I think is odd.

Speaker 4 (01:34:04):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:34:05):
Yeah, oh dude, the craziest. So my wife's mom, they're
very close. They're like best friends. The craziest thing about
this with this is the craziest part of the story.
Holy crap. My wife ran upstairs to her mom's bedroom.
That my wife was in college, she was staying with
her mom while she was in college. She ran upstairs
to her mom's bedroom where her mom was sleeping and

(01:34:26):
started telling She's telling her mom, mom, wake up, wake up.
I got there's something that happened. And her mom woke
up and said, was it a black dog? And she's
like yeah, And she's like, I know, I just dreamt
about it. Like what how could you not? How could
you not believe in what I'm telling you when all
this crazy stuff has happened to you. It doesn't make
sense to me.

Speaker 4 (01:34:45):
Yeah, I have a word of I need to yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:34:48):
To tell her. Man, now that I'm thinking about all this,
she told me all this stuff years ago, and I've
never thought twice about it. But man, now that I'm
thinking about it all man, she's got better stories than
I do. Man, maybe I should talk to her mom.
Her mom was telling me that her my my wife,
and her mom think that they saw were wolves, but
they were Native American people.

Speaker 4 (01:35:05):
So like the skin walker.

Speaker 1 (01:35:06):
Yeah, but there was they were eating something in the
middle of the road in the middle of the night.
And my wife said that these were like huge, big
wolves like they'd never seen and there eate wolves in
Nebraska and this was in Nebraska. And then they drove
around it and kept driving and then in the middle
of the road ahead of them and pitch black. I mean,

(01:35:28):
this is like one of the darkest places in the country.
Pitch Black. There was a group of Native American dudes
walking like one hundred yards in front of them.

Speaker 4 (01:35:38):
All right, Okay, brother Cody, I really appreciate you coming
on and sharing your experiences with.

Speaker 1 (01:35:44):
I appreciate you too, buddy. All right, buddy, Well it
was a pleasure and I thank you so much. I
look forward to listening to moret of your podcasts.

Speaker 4 (01:35:51):
Yeah, keep in touch, Cody, and I'll talk to you soon.

Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
All right, all right, buddy, thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:35:55):
Okay, take care yep bye. That is all for this week.
Keep up dated and connected with the show on Twitter, Facebook,
and Instagram. And if you have an encounter you'd like
to share on the podcast, you can email me at
UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com or reach out to
me via the contact page on my website at UFO

(01:36:16):
Chronicles podcast dot com. A big thank you to Ash
and Cody for sharing tonight, and thank you all for listening.
I will be back next week. Till then, stay safe
and keep watching the skies. Goodbye to

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