Ep.163 El Pombéro / Jamestown UFO's (Throwback)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You'll be away five seventeen. Do you want to report
a UFO hanging in? We don't want to report every
thirty one. Do you wish to report a UFO over hey,
we want to one of those areas thirty one. Do
you wish to find a report of any kind of it?
I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds time areas

(00:22):
thirty one me neither there. See if it was anybody
uh above us to pass us, Like thirty seconds ago, we.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Were sending one top of golf negative, okay, OFFI the UFO.
Yeah it's murder two nine o'clock.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yes, I'll just passed over, I go. I don't know
what it was, but it's from at least to three
thousand feet above us. See, I passed right over the
top of us. Ninety one one.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
You just called both to be before.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
They're after staying the airplanes here to God. Calm on
an Unidentified object every Liberty four call or Calm on
an Unidentified flying object.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share
their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had
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(01:48):
Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. How are you
all doing. I'm Nick Hunter and you're listening to the
UFO Chronicles podcast. Sloan from Idaho will be starting a
SoftICE episode with an encounter from two thousand and four
of a Paraguayan cryptid called Pombero. At the time, Sloan
was serving as a missionary for the LDS Church in Paraguay.

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And then we visit Montana to hear about Joel's UFO
encounter back in the early nineteen eighties while he was
on a family camping trip by the James River in Virginia.
And Joel also has some paranormal experiences with an extra
housemate living in his attic space during his college years.
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(03:51):
and welcome.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
To the show.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
Nice to be here. Thank you very much for having me.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
It's great for you to come on today. And you're
calling from Idaho. Yes, sir, you've been sharing a few
experiences with us, starting with a CRYPTID siting in two
thousand and four. Yes, and then you're going to follow
with a UFO siting. Would you like to begin there
for us please?

Speaker 1 (04:11):
Yeah. So back in two thousand, between two thousand and
three and two thousand and five, I served a mission
for the LVS Church and I was called to serve
in Paraguay, the Assinsio Norte Mission, and so I got
down there in October of two thousand and three, and

(04:32):
in July of two thousand and four is kind of
when I had this weird cryptid encounter. So it was July,
which I'm in the Northern Hemisphere originally from and where
I'm at currently, and so a Paraguay is in the
southern Hemisphere. So since it was July, it was actually
the winter time there, and I remember it being really cold,

(04:52):
probably you know, between thirty and forty degrees fahrenheit, so
I needed to have a jacket on. I had a
puffy jacket. It was about nine o'clock at night, and
we were traveling home and our house that we lived in,
me and my missionary companion. I was about three blocks
straight in front of us down this dirt road. I'm

(05:14):
not sure if you know too much about Paraguay is
kind of in the Amazon jungle, and so the road
was all dirt, and then we were surrounded by just
trees everywhere, and about halfway down the block there was
one light post and it was on the right hand
side of the street, and so I kind of stopped
because I saw a person standing under the light post

(05:37):
and the person had very very dark skin, like darker
than most Paraguay and people that I had ran into,
very dark and kind of dirty hair, like matted together
hair that was not cut short. It was kind of
long and a little bit longer and unkempt, like it

(05:58):
wasn't down to the shoulders, but it was like over
the ears. And the weirdest part was, you know, it
was so cold, this person was just wearing what looked
to be really dirty, like small soccer shorts, like very
like short, and it could have been a wincloth, but
I just thought because of how high they were on

(06:19):
the like how much of this figure's thigh I could
see like that, I thought that they were soccer shorts
when I saw them, no shoes on, kind of kind
of dirty. Like I said, I was really cold. So
the fact that this person was just wearing like these
what I thought were soccer shorts, I was like, that's

(06:40):
really weird. It was it was out of place, it
was odd, and so I actually stopped where we were at,
and we were at kind of like a crossroad so
it was where the street that we were traveling down
that would go straight to our apartment or apartment or
our house would be on the left hand side. There
was a cross street that was those crossing there, and
I turned to my His name was Elder Velaskez, and

(07:03):
I was like, I have a bad feeling. I don't
think we should go down past that person. And I
said it in Spanish, I didn't say in English. Elder
of Alaskaz was from Chile, and he was like, I
feel the same way. We need to take a different
way home. And so I was like, well, if we
turn and go down a couple of blocks to the
right and then turn left and go like five or

(07:25):
six blocks down past where our house would be, and
then turn left again, we'd come up on the house,
so the house would be on the right hand side.
So it was kind of a very long long way around.
And he was like, yeah, let's do that, and so
we turned to take a right down the street. He
actually pulls out a little sling shot that he had.

(07:47):
There's a lot of like stray dogs or just wild
dogs that kind of live down there. There's street dogs,
and a lot of times they attack missionaries. So he
had a slingshot with like little metal pellets that he
would use to get them from attacking us. So he
pulled that out and as we turned and started walking
up in the trees, up and back into my left

(08:08):
over my left hand shoulder, we started hearing this like
very eerie whistling sound. And it wasn't like a normal whistle,
like a whistling of a tune. But it also wasn't
the wind whistling. It was kind of, I guess a
good way to put it is like a combination of
the boath. It was just kind of this weird, eerie whistling.
And the weirdest part was it stayed the same distance,

(08:31):
like it didn't matter how fast through slow, Like if
we slowed down to try and see if there was
anything up there, it kind of kept the same distance
up and over my left hand shoulder, So it was
like going in the trees on along the blocks that
we were walking along, and so it was really creepy,
very scary. We finally get to we take the route

(08:53):
that we'd kind of planned out. We get to the house.
The house has a locked gate, it has like a
dead bowl. So Velaska has tossed me the keys to
the dead bolt. I unlocked it. We can still hear
the whistling, and then I tossed him the dead bolt,
so he's going to lock the gate behind me. We
never entered the front door. We actually even put a
bookcase in front of it because we didn't want to

(09:15):
get robbed, so we always went around to the back.
So I ran up and ran around to the back
and unlocked the back door, and Velaska's came running around
the house, came running into the back door, and as
soon as we slammed the door shut and locked it,
the whistling stopped. So so that was the experience. It
was a Wednesday night, I remember because it happened two days.

(09:36):
So every week we'd go to this members of the church,
this family would have a barbecue and they'd invite the
missionaries and invite all the people in the neighborhood that
worked with them. They were pretty affluent in that area,
and so that was on Friday nights, and so on
that Friday night, we actually ended up going to this
barbecue and Alaska's like, hey, tell them what happened Wednesday,

(10:00):
And so I started telling this family kind of what
had happened, and how weird it was, and they start
freaking out. They start being like, oh my gosh, oh
my gosh, you saw palmmetto. And I was like, palmetto,
I don't know what that is. And so they ended
up getting me this book of Paraguay and myths and
legends and in that whatever. The daughter actually opened it

(10:23):
up for me and she's like, read this, and so
I started reading and it was he's kind of like
a bigfoot, like a cryptid type thing, like a legend
that they have that he helps protect birds from, like
kids that throw rocks at birds or use slingshots at birds.
He imitates the bird whistles, so if they like throw

(10:45):
rocks or shoot slingshots at him, he'll then attack them.
He is a dark skin figure. He's short, usually shown
as dirty. He drinks, supposely, if you want to appease him,
he drinks this this very strong alcoholic drink, maybe out
of sugarcane called kanya and smoked cigarettes. So a lot

(11:07):
of times you have to make him an offering of
kanya and cigarettes. So anyway, it was just kind of
interesting because I had this experience in not knowing anything
about the the myth or the legend of pom Veto,
and then all of a sudden, I have this experience
and then I find out about it two days later,
and it kind of was it was crazy. I was

(11:28):
very religious at the time, so I kind of gave
it a religious conversation. I was like, oh, it's it's
you know, the devil testing the missionaries type thing. But
you know, looking back at it now, I've kind of
taken a step back from from religion and it now
kind of has more of a I see it through
different eyes that like, oh, that's actually like a crypto.
That's something that I can't explain that you know, I experienced,

(11:52):
and it's probably something that other paragoids of experience that
then spawned that legend.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
And you had never heard of this this beforehand.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
No, I didn't hear about it until, like I said,
that Friday afterwards, and then it was like, you know,
it kind of became an anecdote that I would share
with new missionaries that were coming into the mission, you know,
things like that. I don't generally share it, like you know,
with people at work or anything like that, because I
don't want people to think I'm crazy. But but again,

(12:21):
it was more of you know, the Lord will protect you.
You know, God will protect you if you are doing
what's right. We didn't get attacked by this this devil,
this demon, because you know, we followed those that feeling
that those promptings that we weren't you know, we're supposed
to go down that way, that sort of thing. So,
but yeah, I had never heard of it actually before

(12:42):
before that Friday night when the familiar Benegas the Banegas
family gave me that book of myth and legends.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Yeah, that's pretty interesting. Other than whistlin, did he make
any ever signs?

Speaker 4 (12:56):
No?

Speaker 1 (12:56):
So that's the other thing is I saw the person
and so I'm five foot nine, which by American standards
is not very tall. But the person, the figure that
I saw that was under the lamp post was probably
about five foot five foot one or two, like a
normal sized Paraguayan, right, Like, I didn't see them as

(13:17):
like they weren't overtly big. The depictions that I saw
of Pombetto after that, they have like it's really tiny, right,
Like they have them like three foot tall or something
like that, And that's that's not necessarily you know, I
didn't see a three foot tall figure. I did see
like a five foot tall what I just thought a
normal Paraguayan in really dirty short soccer shorts and not

(13:41):
wearing a shirt, not wearing shoes, and really dark dirty
skin and kind of dark matted hair.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
So yeah, it goes by. It's got a few different names.
It's also called translated over two hairy feet, Lord of
the Light and Master of the Sun. Widespread actually southern Brazil, Argentina.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
Yeah, it's interesting because it's a guantany. So I normally
learned to speak Spanish while I was down there else
and learned to speak Guantanie. So it's like a Guandanie
myth or legend, and Guadanie used to be spoke over
most of South America until the conquistadors came in and
it kind of got pushed back to where Guadani is
now only spoken in like southern Bolivia, like western Brazil,

(14:24):
and then like all of Paraguay and some northern Argentina,
or even like like areas that are basically surrounding Paraguay
is where they may still speak it, but they speak
it all of Paraguay. So schey day gud Shamboboa. Like
I justaid, I speak Guantanie and it makes me really
happy to speak Guantinye. So it was it was a

(14:45):
Guandanie myth or legend. So it doesn't surprise me that
it was like over more of South America.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
How long were you there for?

Speaker 1 (14:51):
I was there for two years. So I started in
the missionary training center August of two thousand and three,
and then I got down into country October of two
thousand and three. I was actually a missionary like out
in the field until January of two thousand and five,
and then from January till August of two thousand and five,

(15:12):
I was the financial secretary for the mission, So I
was in charge of, you know, paying all the missionaries rent,
making sure that you know, reimbursements for travel, different things
like that, make sure all the everything balanced, the budgets balance,
and all that stuff. So I was actually in the
mission field as a missionary from October of two thousand

(15:32):
and three until January of two thousand and five, and
then it's kind of more of a like a nine
to five job from January of two thousand and five
to August two thousand and five.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
So it was an interesting place.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
Yeah, Oh it's beautiful it's it's kind of like it's
so fertile. Birds will pooh on like power lines, and
because there's so much humidity moisture and the airplans will
start growing on those power lines. Like that's how crazy
fertile the forest.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
It's absolutely I looked on Wikipedia this little fella, and
it also says that he is said to capture particularly
ungrateful girls, yes, for to kiss him and later get
a little bit amorous.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Yeah. I did read that as well in the Myths
and Legends like book and later on in Wikipedia. But
they said, you know, young girls who have babies out
of wedlock, they used to claim were the children of Pombero,
And so I didn't have anything like that happened to me.

(16:34):
But yeah, that it's weird that there's like they attribute
some things to him. But the things to me that
that suck out was I saw that dark figure, shorter
than me, about five foot tall, dark skin, dark dirty,
what I thought socer shorts could have been a winecloth,
not wearing any sort of protection from the cold. The
eerie whistling that followed us all the way home, and

(16:57):
it sounded like it was coming from up in the trees,
it didn't sound like it was actually like it wasn't
following behind us. There was nobody on the streets with us.
It was it was cold out, so most most of
the Paraguayans were the only people out on the streets
were the LDS missionaries. They wasn't the uh, the Paraguayans
out because they were in keeping warm, right, So it
was just just me and Velaska.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
And it's ironic that your colleague had a sling shot
and this little fellow he he protects birds.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
Yeah, yeah, and that was just another weird like I said,
when I started reading through that myth and legend, goes, wow,
that would he have followed us if Alaska's hadn't pulled
out a slingshot? Anyway, Yeah, it was just one of
those another thing that we had the experience. And is
this experience similar to what other Paraguays have had over
the however many years they've had this this myth, third legend,

(17:45):
and that's what they attributed to. You know, I tried
to rationalize it, like, oh, was I just you know,
scared or different things like that, or is it actually acridted?
Do I believe in encryptids those sorts of things. I've
had those thoughts, and I was like, I don't know.
I mean, maybe this is just a phenomenon that happens
that they then attribute to to Pombo, but maybe it

(18:08):
is actually something that, you know, kind of like a
skin walker ranch. There's there's a weird thing that comes
to our reality and has those those weird interactions with
people that spawned that myth or that legend.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
It doesn't matter where in the world you go to.
You know, there's always these little stories and myths and legends,
and there's so many interesting ones. And I bet there's
a lot more down that way as well. And I
do have a lot of listeners actually in Paraguay. So
if you're listening now and you've an experience with a pombetomo,
get in touch. I'd like to hear more of encounters

(18:45):
with this little guy. Okay, Sloan, would you like to
move on to your UFO experience please?

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yeah. So this this one actually happened much more recently.
So this happened in last year in September. So what
happened was my wife and I had traveled from Pocatello, Idaho,
down to Salt Lake City, Utah because we had actually
had our youngest two children were products of in vitual fertilization,

(19:13):
and so the clinic that helped us bring our kids
and complete our family. I was having like what they
call it baby reunion, and that's where the doctor's going
to meet the kids that they've helped create in the
families that they've impacted. So we had that baby reunion,
and we were then driving home from the baby reunion

(19:33):
back up to Pocatello. So we were on the I fifteen.
We had actually just gotten north of salt Lake, and
north of salt Lake there's actually the Hill Air Force Base,
which is I want to say something like fifteen miles
north of salt Lake. I don't know exactly, but in
between salt Lake and the Hill Air Force Base there's
just these these rocks because it's in the rocky mountains, right,

(19:56):
So there's the Wahsatch Front that's like right right along
the fifteen, and on top of it, there was this
dome that looked kind of like an observatory, right, so
like for looking up the sky, but there was no
roads or anything to get up to that observatory. And
so my wife was driving. I was in the passenger seat,

(20:16):
my ten, almost eleven year old at the time he's
now eleven, was in the very back, and then my
two younger ones were in the middle, and so I
was looking up and I was talking to my wife,
is that an observatory? What is that thing? And she's like,
I don't know, that's really weird. It just kind of
seems out of place, right because you have this beautiful,
like rocky mountain range and then just this kind of

(20:40):
metallic looking white circular dome on top of a building.
And so as we're sitting there, I see this kind
of white disc object. We were traveling from south to north,
so we were heading north and it was like traveling
kind of similar to us. It was it was it started,

(21:00):
it was going faster than us, but I started seeing
it and the observatory, well, I call it an observatory
because at the time that's what I thought it was. Later,
when we got home, my wife looked it up and
it's actually one of the US's strategic radar installations that
basically can see I think, five hundred miles in any
direction from where it's at, and it uses magnetic pulses

(21:23):
to do its radar array. So as I was looking
up at the radar station. I saw this like white
disc and it was it looked like it was white
or it was like silver metallic reflecting the sunlight. The
sun was still up because it was September so and
it was about four point thirty in the afternoon, and

(21:44):
it started going. I was like joking around. I was, hey,
wouldn't that be funny if that was the UFO. And
because I listened to this podcast as well as other podcasts,
and my wife's like, what are you talking about? And
then I saw it go from like really bright, it
started dimming, and then all of a sudden got really
bright again, and so, holy crap, that might be a UFO.

(22:05):
And my wife's like, what are you talking about? And
she's trying to keep her eyes on the road and
she's going about sixty five miles an hour, but she
starts to look at She's like where what are you
talking about? And so I kind of described her. There was,
you know, most of it was dirt, but then there
was some rocky portions of the mountain. I was right
above that rocky portion, just south of the observatory. I

(22:28):
was like, do you see the little white dot? And
she's like, oh, my gosh, I see it. And then
right when she said that, it started to dim again,
and then it got really bright again, and it did
that a couple times while she had eyes on it,
and so she was like, holy crap, that is I
saw it. That's a UFO. So she kept her eyes

(22:48):
back on the road because she couldn't keep her eyes
on the thing. But I kept eyes on it, and
while I was watching it, it all of a sudden
went to the best way to describe it as like
star Trek when they jumped to light speed right where
it kind of they kind of stretch out in elong Gate.
It went from like a disc shaped to like a
straight line, and it was headed back south and then

(23:10):
I could snap my fingers and it just disappeared. Where
did it go? Like, it just disappeared, And then it
did the opposite, and the opposite was it was like
a straight line, and then all of a sudden it
shot back to where the straight line ended and it
was a disc again. And then I was like, it
just reappeared, and I was kind of freaking out. At

(23:30):
that point, my son was like where. He's like, where
is a dad? Where is the dad? My eleven year
old in the back, and at that point it started
actually circling kind of the domed part of the of
the radar tower. And I was like, you see that
that disc that's circling the dome part of the raidar
tower and was going It went in front of it,

(23:51):
just north of it, and then went behind it and
came back around, so it was like doing a circle
where it would be in front of it and then
behind it. And he's like, oh my gosh, I see it.
It just went behind it and I was like yeah,
he's like, and it just came out and I was like, yep,
that's that's what it is. So my son saw it
as well, and then he was kind of freaking. I
was like, oh my gosh, I saw a UFO. And
then the last thing I saw it was it actually

(24:13):
it was horizontal. The disc shape was horizontal, and then
it switched from horizontal to vertical, and then when it
went vertical, all of a sudden it did the stretch
thing that it had done before, but it shot straight
up and then disappeared, and that was it was. That
was actually very We were kind of in shock. My

(24:35):
wife was I thought, I was like, am I crazy?
And She's like, no, you're not crazy. I saw it too,
but you don't tell anybody you work with because they
well think you're crazy. Right, And so you know, again,
similar experiences you have, you then have that self do.
I was like, well, maybe I was just seeing things.
Maybe I was you know, crazy, But the fact that
my wife and my son saw it that gave me

(24:56):
more like, no, this is like a legitimate experience that
we had had, Like I said, at home. She looked
it up and it was actually this place called Francis
Peak and it's just south of Hill Air Force Bace
and it's a radar tower and it's one of the
strategics and it uses magnetic pulses. And I was just
thinking to myself, and I don't know if this is
the case, but if maybe the dimming and the you know,

(25:20):
going bright again was maybe the magnetic pulses bouncing off
of whatever it was, because I can't explain the dimming
and then the quick brightening of the object. So anyway,
that was just a thought that I had. After a
while I figured out what that radar array was. She
actually said, well, if we figure out what that thing is,
maybe it would help answer questions and then after she

(25:42):
looked up, she's like, well, that leaves me with more questions,
like what was it doing around our strategic you know radar.
That's a great question. I have no idea, so.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
May well have been inquisitive what that dome was. And yeah,
you're right, it could well have be picking up more
and lightly picking up the signal.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yeah, like I said, it was weird. I hadn't said
the weird thing is talking about it. It gets me
I get excited and stuff again because it was like,
so I've never seen anything like it. It didn't move
like a normal airplane. It didn't move like a bird.
It didn't like I said, I did, actually did take

(26:20):
out my phone and just start taking snapping pictures as
we were doing it. But then I went back through
the role and you could barely even see the radar
dome that was on there, even though in my eyes
I could actually see it really well. I could see
it from several miles away because I could see it
when it first was kind of ahead of us, and
then we saw the thing flying up to it, flying

(26:41):
around it, you know, doing all of that, and it
was instead of being out in front of the windscreen
where we first saw the dome by the time we
had seen the UFO out my passenger window, and that's
actually where my son saw it from the back seat.
So that was another thing because I was thinking, well,
maybe it was a reflection of something right in the car,

(27:03):
but that wouldn't explain it going in front of and
behind the dome. And also it wouldn't explain my son
seeing it from a completely different window, you know, where
he saw it in the backseat. So you know, again
you go through your mind trying to rationalize, like what
you saw, and I don't think there was anything that

(27:23):
I could explain it, you know, and I have no
idea what it was. I haven't seen anything move like
it before or since. And then you know the fact
that it was near a US Air Force base, A
Hill Air Force Base was just past that, and it
was at a US Air Force radar station. You know,

(27:45):
those things go to mind, well, could it be our
tech maybe, but it's not something that's not like a
normal plane that I've ever seen or anything like that.
So but yeah, it's something I the first time I've
ever seen anything like that, and it was it was witnessed.
If it was myself, I probably would have kept up
to myself, but since it was my wife and my
my ten year old son saw it, I would that

(28:08):
gave me more confidence that I wasn't crazy.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Going home and saying guess what I saw? And I'm like, yeah, okay,
at least you know if they all saw it as well.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Yeah, yeah, it's pretty Like I said, I it's it's
weird because I tell that story, and like I said,
I found myself getting just as excited or just as
I don't know, I don't know what to call it,
because it's not like excited, but it's also not like
I wasn't oh yeah, I get to see this. It
was more like what the heck is that? What is?
What is that? I've never seen anything like that? But

(28:37):
I wasn't really scared, but I was just holy crap.
I guess awestruck would be a good probably a better
descriptor just just awestruck by.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
It, and especially as you know it shot off at
lightning speed only too only to then return to saying
exactly the same place, yep.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
And like I said, it went south when it did that.
And the weirdest part was the stretch right like so
looked like it it stretched into a straight line. And again,
the only thing that I've ever seen that somewhat resembles
that is when Star Trek they jump into light speed, right,
they stretch, and then all of a sudden they disappears.
That's exactly what it looked like. That's the best way

(29:16):
to describe what it looks like.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
And when it came back, was it in exactly the
same position?

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yes, it's and like I said, it was an opposite.
So it went from a straight line to where the
line ended, and then all of a sudden the rest
of it caught up, it seemed like, and then boom,
it was right there. It was the disc a git
and then when it took off vertical, it basically did
the same thing where it stretched and then boom, disappeared
vertically after circling the tower a couple of times.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
I don't know anything man made is able to move
like that. How many times did she circled the tower?

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Twice? Twice? While I had a while me and my
son had eyes on it. It went around it two times.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
And I wonder if they actually even picked it up themselves,
you know at the radar.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Yeah. The weird thing is that I actually then you know,
my wife was googling what that was that Francis Peak.
We also googled, like, had anybody else seen UFO sightings there?
And I found one on Reddit I think, and it
was back in twenty eleven and they had seen one
at Francis Peak and they said it was a white disc.
They sought it at about the same time and it

(30:20):
was a different time of the year, but they said
the sun was up, so the sun was still up
by the time when we saw it. But yeah, that
twenty eleven siding. I was like, that's that's what we
saw too. That's really interesting.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah, that is interesting if someone else has seen it,
and did you get a chance to report it?

Speaker 1 (30:34):
I didn't know where to report it. I didn't know.
I mean, I guess move on, but I didn't really
have pictures. Yeah, I haven't reported it anywhere officially.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Might yeah, it might be worth doing whenever you get
a chance. I know you're going to be busy moving soon. Yeah,
but even just a national UFO reporting center, it's always
worth it because you never know if someone else has
seen it, then they might be doing the same as
you did. Check in, you know, any sightings, so it
might also help them if someone else has seen it,
because that out of them be at at least free people.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Multiple data points or something. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Yeah, sure you should have tried to contact them, see
if they would have told you anything. They prob they
probably wouldn't if no, sorry, we didn't pick anything up.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah, that's the really intriguing part because it's a radar array, right,
so they would have had radar and it's Hill Air
Force Base. But I mean the Air Force has been
pretty pretty quiet on that front. But it would be
interesting to see because I can get the date it was.
I mean, I know the date it was September. It
was this Saturday, and it was like the eighteenth or

(31:37):
something like that of September. I just have to look
it up. But so I know the data, I know
the approximate time. I mean, it would be interesting if
somebody from the Air Force actually you know, could look
and see if they caught anything on their radar there
at that Francis Peak.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
Yeah, if it's directly outside of it. Yeah, but yeah,
they probably wouldn't. Probably would have that kind of information
in any case. Wonderful good stuff.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
I actually like yours because it's more people who've had experiences, right,
and so I don't. It's good for people who've had
who've seen things and experienced things that you know, when
I've been listening to your show, it's I'm not alone.
I'm not crazy, even though sometimes I feel that way
when I actually have my nine to five job. It's

(32:24):
nice knowing that there are same people out there who
have those nine to five jobs that actually still do
encounter these things and don't know how to, you know,
deal with them, don't know how to. Yeah, just like
having a place where they can go and share kind
of what they've experienced and knowing that there's others out there.
I think that's that's really helpful. So I appreciate what

(32:44):
you're doing.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Thanks man Man. And yeah, a lot of people out
there all share very similar experiences and obviously got a
unique one that you had done in South America.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
Yeah, but it's weird so that one, like I said,
it was a religious context, right, That's how I compartmentalized
it in my head. Right, it was religious. The demons,
the devil was trying to get me. But I follow
the spear and it wasn't until like I said, I
took a step back that I'm like, oh, no, that's
actually like a weird experience. I also, after my brother

(33:16):
Scott passed away, I actually had an out of body experience,
which was interesting because I listened to that audiobook Alien Interview,
which I'm pretty sure is fictionalized, but there's a part
of it where the alien that supposedly crashed in Area
fifty one like tells the nurse to get out of

(33:36):
her body and her consciousness kind of she was of
floating above herself and stuff like that. And it really
spoke to me because that's kind of what I had
experienced after my brother passed away, and it was that
It was very interesting because in my life I had
always put that in a religious context as well. Right,
I compartmentalized that as here's a spiritual thing, but it's

(33:59):
not until, like I said, I took a step back
and I'm like, no, that's actually more of like an
out of body experience. That's more of a something other
experiences have also experienced. So it's kind of interesting that, like,
it's usually not just one, it's usually multiple things. And
then how I had compartmentalized that due to my religious paradigm, Right, you.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Know, when you look at people all over the world,
in different religions and stuff have these these experiences, and
they do because I do have religious people on here.
It's not always evident, but so you make yourself wonder.
You know, if you're you're Catholic and you're having experiences
with say the Virgin Mary on the peak and you like,
then you can understand how religion personally would affect someone's encounter.

(34:41):
I mean, but yours. You know, you even though you
did think it was negative and probably the you know,
the devil, which you know, which you expect me. You know,
what you saw is what you saw. It wasn't master
rating as anything. If you see what I mean. Whereas
you know, whereas someone is having like an angelic experience,
it could well be aliens, you know, you don't know,

(35:02):
but because they're so legially ingrained, you know they're seeing angels.
Whereas what you saw seems to be exactly what you saw.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Yeah, it didn't seem to be anything. Like I said,
It didn't feel supernatural when I honestly, when I first
saw that, what I thought was a very dark skin,
dirty Paraguay, and I actually thought I was going to
get mugged like that was my first instinct, and that's
what I actually because I was mugged when I was
down there sometimes, you know, like that was my first instinct.

(35:32):
It wasn't like, oh, this is something supernatural, right. The
supernatural part, the weird eerie part was when the whistling
started up and above me over my left shoulder, that
then followed us. That's when it started to get weird.
But when I first saw the figure, I just thought, Oh,
that's somebody who looks like they're kind of ominous where

(35:53):
the lights. They were standing in the light where there
was like shadow casting on their face type thing, because
they were standing directly under a street light. And I
just thought, oh, that person's gonna mug us if we
walked down that way. That was That's that was what
I thought, right, So I didn't think, oh, this is
going to be supernatural. It wasn't. Ntil the other stuff
started happening, I was like, this is really freaky.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
When he started whistling, was there any particular tune to
the whistling?

Speaker 1 (36:17):
So that's the weird thing. It wasn't whistling a tune.
It was an eerie whistle and it wasn't like it
was it wasn't like the wind whistling, because the wind
whistles down there through like the trees, and I'd heard
that before. It was kind of it sounded like, what's
the best way to put it, I don't know what,
Maybe a bird, but a hurt bird, I guess would

(36:39):
be some way to put it. Like kind of an
eerie hurt bird, I guess would be probably a good
way to describe it.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
If he's trying to guide people in, you know, if
they're they're say, hunting birds, and he's there to protect
the birds, you would do a sound of an injured animal,
because then that's going to attract predator to all the persons,
isn't it. So it kind of makes sense that it
was kind of making that sound.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
Yeah, Like I like I said, it was eerie. It
didn't sound like they were whistling Dixie right. There wasn't
an actual like tune to it, and so yeah, yeah,
it was just an eerie, eerie whistle. I like it.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
It's an unique one. This is the first time I've
had had worthy. So yeah, good stuff, man.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
Thanks, Like I said, I think you're doing a great
service and giving people a platform to share their experiences
and then the listeners, it gives them that comfort that hey,
I'm not alone and I'm not crazy, right, So you're
doing great work. I appreciate it. So keep it up, Sloan.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
I really appreciate you coming on and sharing that for
our listeners today.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
You're absolutely welcome. It's been my pleasure. Appreciate you.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
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Speaker 4 (39:05):
Hello Nick from northwest Montana and Glacier National Park. I'm
glad to meet you in person and be a guest.
I'm very honored, thank you, and.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
You are more than welcome. It's great to have you
on today. You have a couple of encounters to share
with us. Would you like to start the very beginning please,
sir sure.

Speaker 4 (39:24):
I'll throw one extra in that I didn't include in
my email to you. It was less significant than the
main story that I'll talk about. But I did have
one sighting in Montana. I've been here about seven years,
and I was in the hot tub with my then
girlfriend in the backyard and it was about one, maybe

(39:45):
even two o'clock in the morning, very quiet, clear night,
clear skies, and we lived about seven six seven miles
from the main airport, Glacier International Airport, so we're used
to the flight paths and seeing lights, you know, at
most hours of the day and night. But we noticed

(40:09):
when we were sitting in the hot tub, just off
to our south. I was facing directly south, my girlfriend
was facing east and looking south, and two bright lights
appeared and I thought, for a few seconds, I thought
this must be an airplane turning. It had more of

(40:31):
a glow than an airplane and looked a lot brighter
than airplane lights. But I thought, well, maybe it's reflecting
off the clouds or some mist in the air that
we can't see. It was probably two miles away, I
would guess. But the lights just stayed there, and I
was staring at it, and I said to my girlfriend,

(40:52):
I said, do you see this? And she said yeah,
And so we looked and I thought, well, maybe it
was a refracted stars or still wasn't sure. And then
the already bright lights became very very bright. So they
pulsed like they were juicing up some electrical energy or

(41:12):
photons or whatever, and pulse very brightly and then streaked
off at a speed that's not comprehensible. I mean, certainly,
nothing that I've ever seen in the air has gone
that fast. So that was an interesting little sighting. But

(41:33):
prior to that, the only other experience I had was
it was either nineteen eighty or nineteen eighty one, so
best I can recall, I was about twelve, maybe thirteen
years old, and I was camping with my father and
my brother in Williamsburg, Virginia. We would camp there almost

(41:56):
every summer. There was an amusement park in Williamsburg, Bush Gardens.
It's still there, So we would go there for a
couple days and camp for a few nights. So we
were staying actually in Jamestown, which is just one town over,
one of the very first settlements in America actually, and
so we were staying on the James River in a campground,

(42:17):
and earlier in the afternoon they had a dock and
a river there and you could jump in and swim,
and you know how the docks have sort of these
loose pieces of wood, And like an idiot, because I
was twelve, I was like shuffling along with my feet like,
so I wasn't lifting up my feet and I was
just kind of walking without lifting my foot. Well, that's

(42:40):
not a good idea on a dock and I wound
up with like almost a one inch piece of wood
stuck about an inch or two into the bottom of
my foot, which was quite painful. So my father tried
to get it out, and I was screaming and yelling,
and you know, it was really in there, pretty deep.
So he said, okay, we're going to go to the

(43:00):
hospital and they'll pull it out. And they did what
my dad was trying to do. They just laid me
down in the bed and said, okay, clinch your fists,
hold onto this, bite this, and we're gonna we're gonna
yank this out, which they did. So they dressed my wound,
patched me up, sent me back to the campground, but
didn't give me any kind of medicine or painkillers or anything.

(43:21):
So we, you know, had our dinner and our campfire
and all that that evening, and then my brother and
my father, you know, when you camp, once it gets dark,
usually just go to bed. You just sort of get
tired naturally. So all three of us, after we'd had
dinner and a little bit of a fire, we went
into our tent, which was like a four man tent,
and my brother and my father fell asleep pretty quickly.

(43:45):
And everybody in my family has allergies and we all
we all snore, so my brother has asthma. And it
was hot and it was humid, and they were being
very loud, and I just couldn't get to sleep between
the noise they were making and you know, the discomfort
with my wound that I had incurred earlier in the day.

(44:07):
So I decided to just go out into the van
and just sit in the van. It was overlooking the
river there and the other campsites, and it was sort
of patchy trees and somebody you could look up through
the through the pine trees and you could see the
stars and it was very pretty. So I thought, well,
I'll just I'll just sit out here till I'm tired enough,
or maybe I'll just fall asleep in the in the

(44:29):
captain's chair in the front of the van. And I
really wasn't out there very long, I'd say maybe five
or ten minutes, and I looked out across the river
and I could see a yellow light almost exactly like
the color of you know, the midday sun, that color yellow,
and it looked very pretty small, because it was probably

(44:52):
one hundred and fifty to two hundred yards away, so
a little further than like a football field away for
me on the other side of the river. But it
was zipping around through the trees, and it looked like
it was kind of dodging the trees and just sort
of zooming around and heading kind of further away from me.
But then I noticed there was a second one just

(45:14):
off to my left that was quite a bit closer,
probably seventy five yards away or so. And this one
I could get a better look at, and it was
a perfectly contained yellow orb probably two feet in diameter,
maybe a little bit bigger, maybe two and a half feet.
And I'm thinking, what the heck is this thing, you know,

(45:36):
And it was hot and humid and muggy, and I thought, well,
maybe this is swamp gas, because you know, the only
thing i'd really heard about UFOs was you know, that
crazy people saw them and they were just mistaken for
other things, and a real common one was swamp gas.
And I thought, well, okay, maybe this is this is
swamp gas. But it was moving very quickly, and it

(45:59):
was moving towards me once I noticed it, so it
came closer and closer within this like five second period,
where I was trying to figure out what I was
looking at, and I thought, this thing's coming right at me.
It has headed my way as it sort of dodged
the trees and zipped zipped along the shoreline of the river.

(46:19):
So I quickly the only thing I could think to
do was to roll up my window because I thought, well,
I don't want it coming in the van with me.
So I rolled up my window and it continued to
come at me. This is all over just a few seconds,
and it zipped right in front of me, about three
feet away from the van, right in front of me,

(46:42):
right at eye level. So I got a really it
was moving fast, but I still got a really good
look at it. And like I said, it was a
perfectly round luminous orbit. Didn't look like there was anything
inside it. It did not look it didn't seem to glow,
so the light seemed to be contained within itself, so
it wasn't lighting up the surrounding trees or the road

(47:05):
or the path or anything. And it zipped off to
my right, right in front of me, and continued to
dodge the trees and went off to my right where
I had lost it. I couldn't see it went so
far into the woods that I couldn't see it anymore.
Then I noticed a third orb that could have been

(47:25):
the first one I saw, because it was in the
same area. That was a couple hundred yards away, and
I noticed, now, okay, now there's three of them going
so two in the distance and the one off to
my right that disappeared. So there, I know that there's
at least three of these things zipping around, and I'm
just trying to make sense of it. I'm like, I'm

(47:46):
trying to come up with a good explanation and I can't.
I know there's a naval base about thirty miles south
where we're staying, but I don't think the Navy had
this kind of stuff in nineteen eighty, much less two
thousand two, So, you know, I sort of resolved myself
to think, well, this is a true UFO. I don't

(48:07):
know what this is. And I looked up into the stars,
up through the trees, and I noticed a giant yellow
orb and it was like the size of the sun
and much licensed orbs that went right in front of me.
It didn't seem to glow at all. It didn't light
up the night or anything. It was impossible to tell

(48:28):
how far away it was, but it was probably at
least a couple miles away. But it was I didn't
see it come in. It was just there when I
looked up, and so I'm staring at this thing, going, well,
what is this? Maybe this has something to do with
what I saw. And then four orbs that were must

(48:50):
have been the ones that were zipping around by the
river one, two, three, four they go straight up in
the air. I see them leave the campground area and
they go right up to the to the larger orb
in the sky, and it like it just kind of
absorbed them. It wasn't like they were docking or anything.
It just they just went into it. And I thought, okay,
this is this is something here. And so I'm just

(49:13):
staring at the big orb after it absorbed the other four,
and it did not take off. It did not you know,
go up or sideways. It just blinked off and that
was that was it. It was gone. And to this day,
I still don't know what that was. But you know,

(49:33):
I mean it seemed like it was probe. That's the
impression that I got. It was like scientists that were
checking out, you know, the flora and the fauna or
whatever via these these devices or these orbs so and
I had not had any other you know, prior to that.

(49:55):
I didn't know if I believed in UFOs or didn't
believe in UFOs, or believed in aliens or I don't know.
I didn't really think about it. I mean I had seen, like,
I think a couple of years before that, Close Encounters
had come out, so that was like my first exposure
to anything like that. And you know, science, I did
read science fiction books and stuff, but I didn't really
have an opinion on that. And anybody that sort of

(50:18):
brought up UFOs sort of was just made fun of.
And you know, it was just this drunk country bumpkin
down a lonely road and he was by himself, and
they're just they're just made up stories. Whenever there was
a news program or you know, a segment on the
news about a sighting, you know, they always played like
the mysterious music and they talked about little green men.

(50:40):
So it was in nineteen eighty if you told your
UFO story to most people, you just got made fun of.
And that's exactly and I don't blame my father and
my brother for this. But you know, once I felt
safe and this event was over, of course I get
out of the van and run into the tent and
I wake wake up my dad, wake up brother. I say,

(51:01):
I saw UFO, I saw ufhone. I described the whole thing,
and they just they just started laughing at me. And yeah,
my father even said, oh, that was you know, that
was swamp gas. And he was born in like the
late forties or mid mid forties, so you know, he
grew up hearing that excuse as well. So that's the

(51:21):
first thing that came to his mind as well. It
must be swamp gas. But with the invention of the
Internet and lots of videos and stuff like that. Once
once the internet was up and running, I said, I'm
gonna really check out what swamp gas is. And you know,
I found some videos and this was this was definitely
not swamp gas. I don't know what it was, but

(51:42):
I can tell you for sure it was not swamp gas.
So so that's my that's my UFO story.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
Yeah, I mean that's what used to happen. You know,
these experiences were passed off as swamp gas.

Speaker 4 (51:55):
Yeah, I mean I can't imagine that. Whatever I say
a was anything, but it had to be one of
two things. Had to be technology from another civilization that
does not live on this planet, or technology from a
civilization that lives on this planet that we don't know
anything about. It's just one of those two things. Because

(52:17):
just the way everything moved, the way the orbs moved,
it was very obvious that it was intelligent and that
it was, you know, not running into the trees, it
was zipping around them, you know, and then to accelerate
into the sky at that at that rate of speed
and disappear into this larger orb. I mean, that's not

(52:37):
something we have, or China has, or Russia has. I
guess we can't know that for sure. There's plenty of
black programs and a lot of times, you know, we
find out about these things after the fact. But this
is nineteen eighty. There's no way, there's just no way
we were that advanced at this point.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Yeah, in these orbs, they always seem to get reported
around and bodies of water and large wooded areas, and yeah,
I mean some graph doesn't zip and zip out of
trees and n up opens to the sky. So that's
an interesting one. So you're right, it could well be
like an expedition maybe looking around evaluating the place.

Speaker 4 (53:15):
Yeah, I mean, that's the impression I got, you know,
I thought of I thought, just as we were talking about,
I kind of thought of, like, you know, Et the
extra trestrial when he comes, you know, he wants to
collect all the plants and you know, see what the
see what life on another planet is life? And you know,
I have no way of proving any of this, but
that's just the that's just what my intuition told me was.

(53:37):
That's what I was. That's what I was seeing. I
was seeing some kind of expedition to explore what, you know,
this abundant life on this planet is like. And another
just feeling I get from all this is that I
think that the Earth, while there are you know, trillions
of stars and billions of galaxies, I think that the

(53:59):
Earth is maybe not entirely unique, but it is probably
rare to have this much diversity of life on a planet.
You know. I think there's life everywhere and it can develop,
you know, in many different ways, but I think that
we're a little bit special. And maybe that's what part

(54:19):
of this this interest, you know, from these scientists from
wherever you know lies. I don't know, that's just a
just a feeling.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
I have agree with you there. Now some of humans,
do you know, human beings, They go around and take
samples and stuff, and I'm sure we are relatively special.
Earth is a I wouldn't say Earth is a success story,
but as far as life goes, i'd imagine, you know, yeah,
we are probably quite special in universe.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
Yeah, I don't. I think Earth is a success story,
but humanity is another story, a bit of a disaster.
I think we're going through some really tough stuff here
coming up. I think kind of for the beginning of
the dandemic, I cut story of the feeling that there
really is a shift going on. And I mean we

(55:07):
can relate this to UFOs too, because like I was
telling my story, how everybody used to make fun of you. Well,
now the government says this is real. We don't know
what it is. It's not our technology, you know. So
we're getting into a safer space to talk about these things,
which is probably what prompted me to send you an
email in the first place. You know, not that I

(55:29):
fear the ridicule, I don't care. I know what I saw,
but I wouldn't really tell the story, you know, unless
somebody asked about it. I wouldn't. I wouldn't volunteer the
information over the past few decades until recently. And I'm like, well,
let's just I wrote it down when I was a
little kid and just kept it to make sure that
I remembered everything right, And forty years later that's what happened.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
Yeah, absolutely right. You know, a lot of people are
well coming out because of the way the government have said.
You know, these things are real and we don't know
what they are. I'm not entirely sure there being one
hundred percent truthful, but it's it's it is a start,
and it is a little of stepping stones, but it
is you know, it is a move in the right direction.

Speaker 4 (56:11):
Yeah, I think we know. I think we know now
exactly what they want us to know, and that there
certainly is more to this story. And you know, the
government likes to put everything into compartments on a need
to know basis, So I think if you strung all
the information together, we'd have a whole much bigger picture
of what's going on. But I think some people know

(56:33):
some things and some other people know some other things,
and I think it's going to unravel, and I hope,
I hope in our lifetime. You know, I've often thought,
what's the first thing I'm gonna ask, you know, when
I die to the beings of light or wherever we go,
And the first thing I'm gonna the first thing I
want to know about is JOFO is like, what what
the heck is this?

Speaker 1 (56:51):
You know?

Speaker 4 (56:52):
So I'd rather find out in the flesh, right sure?

Speaker 1 (56:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (56:56):
In advance?

Speaker 4 (56:57):
Yeah.

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Speaker 2 (57:40):
What's one for, Joe? Do you want to move on
to your paranormal encounterplease?

Speaker 4 (57:44):
Sure? So. About eight years later after my UFO incident,
I was in I was in college. I went to
West Virginia University in Morgantown, West Virginia, and I stayed
in the dorms of the first year, and then the
second year I rented a house with two mates that
I knew from from school. So we had a big

(58:06):
yellow house facing a bridge right across the river, and
there was an apartment in the bottom where two other
guys stayed that we didn't really know. And then we
rented the second floor, which had three bedrooms and a
bathroom in a kitchen, and then it also had an attic,
which was smaller than the rest of the house. It

(58:27):
was like a sloped roof, you know, kind of small,
one big room up there with a utility closet in there.
So one of my roommates was a drummer. He kept
his drum kit up there, and we had a couch
and an old black and white TV.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
I'm that old.

Speaker 4 (58:43):
And so we moved in and about a week into
living there, we would notice that we'd hear these footsteps
above us, which sounded like they were coming from the attic,
and they weren't very loud, but they distinctly sounded like footsteps,
you know. So we would hear it, and we would
go up there and we wouldn't see anything. We didn't

(59:05):
hear anything else. When we went up there, and we'd
go back down, and we repeated this for a couple
of weeks, and then we kind of thought, well, maybe
it's an old house, probably one hundred year old house,
and maybe the guys that live on the bottom floor,
you know, are walking around at two three in the morning.
It was always two three in the morning. When we
hear the footsteps. We thought, well, maybe these guys are

(59:26):
walking around down there. It's an old house, and it's
like triggering the floorboards. You know, there's some kind of
vibration or connection there where it's making it sound like
when they're walking downstairs, that sound like they're walking in
the attic. So we kind of thought, okay, we're going
to roll with that and just not worry about it.
But as the weeks went on, the encounters grew louder

(59:48):
and louder and louder, and by a couple months in
it sounded like someone wearing combat boots was stomping as
hard as they could around the attic, and at this
point we stopped going up to check because at this
point all three of us were pretty convinced that, you know,

(01:00:08):
something was up there, and we didn't know who or
what it was, and we were not interested in finding
out really, so we sort of kind of got used
to that too, you know, this stomping around, and we'd
make jokes about, oh, our ghost is walking around again,
he'll go to bed soon, and then it would stop,

(01:00:29):
and that was it. So one night, around three in
the morning, when we make David and I were in
the kitchen. We had a little table in there and
we'd like to play chess. So we were playing playing
chess and we heard the stomping and we were making
jokes about it, Haha, the ghost is out again. But
then we started to hear the sounds of Steve, my

(01:00:50):
other roommate's drum set. So it sounded like someone's taking
a finger and like flicking it on the snare drum,
and then it would like tap the sims bowl and
we're like, what the hell now he's now he's playing
the drums, huh, and the stomping continue. We just sort
of froze our game of chest and we just were

(01:01:12):
listening and stomping, stomping, and the staircase that came down
from the attic ended in an archway that was right
next to the kitchen archway, so We couldn't see the
bottom of the stairs from where we were sitting, but
it was right next to us. It was literally a

(01:01:34):
few feet away. So this thing is stomping around up there,
and all of a sudden, we just here bump up
straight down the steps, very clear that that's what we heard.
It wasn't the steps downstairs, it was it was right there.
And yeah, I wish I had a picture of our

(01:01:56):
faces when that happened, because we were truly, truly terrified,
and we you know, I said, I said to David,
I said, I'm not I'm not going out there, and
He's like, well, I'm not going out there. I'm like, well,
I guess we'll just sit here. So we sat there
for a long time. I mean it seemed like a
long time. It was probably twenty minutes or so. And
we didn't hear anything else the rest of that night,

(01:02:18):
you know. So round about three thirty four o'clock in
the morning, we wandered off the bed and went to sleep.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
And that was it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:26):
And that only happened once. The only he, I say, he,
but I don't know what it was. Well i'll tell
you why, I say he, because the story doesn't quite
end there. So I don't know how much later this happened,
but maybe maybe a month or two later. I was
alone in the house and the only TV we had

(01:02:50):
was was up in the attic. And you know, this
thing had never harmed us or threatened us, or you know,
talk to us or whatever, so you know, I was
not too afraid to just be up in the attic
by myself. It was in the back of my mind,
but I'm like, I'm going to live my life. I
don't know what this thing is, but I'm just gonna
go on here. So I was watching TV and I

(01:03:11):
got really sleepy, and we had like a mattress below
the couch on the floor there, and I thought, I'm
just gonna I'm just gonna go I'm just gonna fall
asleep up here. I'm too lazy to get up and
go to bed. And so I lay down, and uh,
I closed my eyes, and I was definitely awake. I've
gone over this again and again, but I was definitely

(01:03:32):
not asleep or dreaming or anything like that. Like it was.
It was a fluid moment from laying down, closing my
eyes and then getting this intense cold feeling the whole
room and I could feel it coming from my right side.
I could feel this coldness just kind of enveled me.
And remember this is an attic, and it was warm
up there, even if it was cold outside, the attic

(01:03:55):
was always the warmest part of the house, you know,
and it was it was a warm night anyway, So
the coldness was just not explainable. There wasn't anything in
the room or you know, equipment, right and you know
there's nothing. We didn't have an air conditioner up there.
It just got very cold, and it was almost it
felt like a void would be would be the way

(01:04:17):
I would describe the emotion that came with the coldness.
It was a sadness, you know, like something is missing,
you know, like an incomplete feeling of some sort. And
I got pretty creeped out. I mean I got goosebumps.
I'm on my arm. I'm getting goosebumps now talking about it.

(01:04:39):
But I just sort of froze there and laid there
for a second, and in my right ear, very distinctly,
I heard a man's voice say Peter. That's the only
word he said. He said Peter, and I didn't know
if he thought I was Peter. He was talking about Peter.
I don't know who Peter was or is, but that

(01:05:00):
set me off. I was like, all right, and I
leapt up and I took off. I was in pajama
pants and I was barefoot, and I ran straight down
the steps, right out the side door and ran up
the street to my to my girlfriend's house and stayed
there the rest of the night. But other than that,
just the stomping continued after that, and to this day

(01:05:23):
don't still don't have, you know, any kind of explanation
for that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
Yeah, that kount is very relatable. I think a lot
of people in the same situation alone in an attic
and something can speak since your ear, I think a
lot of people will be gone.

Speaker 4 (01:05:38):
Yeah, it was kind of like classic horror movie or something,
you know. And yeah, I'll never forget I'll never forget that.
And I, you know, I've not had any other experiences
like that since then. So it's been you know, it's
been decades since, you know, And at this point, I'm

(01:05:58):
getting older and I care less about everything. I don't
know how to explain that, but I am welcoming it now,
Like I'm like, okay, show me a gray, an alien,
a UFO ghost. I don't care. I want to know
what this is. But you know, despite my welcoming attitude
towards it, you know, I'm in my fifties now and
that was That was in my early twenties, and I

(01:06:19):
haven't had any experiences since then.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
Maybe you want to get yourself on a ghost hunt
or something. Yeah, maybe get that adrenaline going.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:06:28):
Well, that's about it. I do have one other little
added piece if you want me to throw this in.
And this is something I have never told anybody. It's
just so bizarre that in my own mind I tried
to justify it as a hallucination or a dream or whatever.
But I've gone over it hundreds of times in my head,

(01:06:49):
and it really did happen, and it was at the
same house. This is post my post ghost experience. I
was coming home. It was about twilight when I was
coming home from class and walking across the bridge that
went over this river and house was right there, and

(01:07:10):
I noticed, right at the curve in the road in
front of her house there was a cat that had
been hit by a car and it was clearly dead,
but it was still in the road. And it just
made me feel bad. And so I thought, well, I'm
gonna I'm gonna at least get it off the road,
you know, so someone doesn't run over it again. So
I ran up to the attic and there was a

(01:07:32):
little utility closet in there, and there was like rags
and paint and stuff like that. I thought, well, I'm
gonna grab an old, old rag out of the closet
up here. And when I did, that same cold thing
happened again, and it was warm, and when I opened
that closet it was freezing cold. So it made me
think the guy that was kind of his hangout, that's

(01:07:54):
sort of where he started from. But nonetheless, I just
grabbed a rag, closed door, got out of there again,
and I went out to the road and I picked
up the cat with the rag, and I you know,
put him off to the side of the road, on
the side of the sidewalk there, and it was almost dark,
sort of getting dark, but not quite all the way dark.
And there I was standing on this corner that looked

(01:08:16):
down the ravine that went down to the river, and
it probably dropped off like three or four hundred feet,
and I noticed a glow, you know, in the brush
there that was very unnatural looking. So I walked closer
so I could look down the ravine, and I saw
a full bodied apparition of a woman, and I mean

(01:08:39):
it was like right out of a ghost story or
you know, a movie, floating in the air, big smile
on her face, definitely luminous, sort of had on like
flowing robes that almost looked like tattered rags. And she
laughed at me, and she just floated down into the

(01:09:01):
ravine where I couldn't I could have no longer seen her.
So that was my only other experience. But that was
just shortly after the ghost in the attic there.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
What happens to cat, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:09:13):
It was gone the next day, you know. I don't
know if animal control came along and picked it up,
or their owner found it or whatever. But it was
not there the next day, because that's the first thing
I did. You know, Well, in college, you stay up
till three or four in the morning. This is by
noon the next day. It was gone by the time
i'd gotten up, So I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
That's really strange that she laughed at you.

Speaker 4 (01:09:34):
Yeah, well, you know, I mean if she had any
sense of what I was feeling, which I kind of
got the impression she did. I was like, what the
hell am I looking at here? This is a full
blown apparition. This isn't this isn't footsteps in the attic
or you know, a creaking door. This is a full bodied,

(01:09:56):
large person glowing and floating above you know, above the
shrubs down to the river, you know. And so and
she just turned her head and laughed. I don't remember
if I heard the laugh or I just saw the laugh,
and not not quite sure on that, but you know,

(01:10:18):
she sort of threw her head back after she looked
at me, and you know, almost like in a cackle
and as if to say, hah, you saw me, you
caught me.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
That is very strange. You know, you had the cat,
and then you went to the cupboard to retrieve the rags,
and then you felt Peter in the closet and then
you come out and then see this lady butter Ravine.

Speaker 4 (01:10:40):
Yeah, and the death of the cat. It just it
did seem interrelated in a way that I couldn't really
put together even.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
To this day.

Speaker 4 (01:10:48):
I'm not quite sure. But it's almost like, you know,
you're sort of looking through the veil at all the
things we can't see normally. I don't know. That's just
a feeling that I had.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
Then could be right, could be right? What color was
the cat?

Speaker 4 (01:11:03):
It was white and and had like brown spots.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
Okay, so not black? Then it was not a black cat.

Speaker 4 (01:11:12):
Yeah, I'm ready for another one.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
I'll let you know.

Speaker 4 (01:11:14):
It's been forty years, but I'm willing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
You know, I do get a lot of people on
here which have experiences, and sometimes it's because they have
welcomed it, you know, they have welcomed the experience. They're
not always so happy after it happens, mind, because it
kind of gets them off God, but it does, you know,
it does happen. You know, people put these these thoughts
into the ether and things happen.

Speaker 4 (01:11:37):
Yeah. I think we do create our own reality. I mean,
I think we're proving that with you know, new sciences now,
with consciousness and quantum mechanics and all that. So I'll
continue to do that and my you know, as I
as I age, I think my mind is actually becoming
more open. So I actually expect something else to happen

(01:11:57):
like this. But I don't know when or where what,
but hey, maybe it'll be in England. I'm coming to
England next year. I'm gonna walk from I'm gonna walk
from Kingsbridge, you know, way down south there, h and
walk from Kingsbridge up to through the whole country and
to Berwick upon Tweed.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
Okay, okay, that's wow. You do enough charity?

Speaker 4 (01:12:22):
Not sure yet, I'm it was. It was an inspiration
from a book I read by an English author, Rachel Joyce,
about a man who goes on a kind of an
accidental pilgrimage. And it was my favorite novel that I uh,
that I've ever read, and it was actually her first novel,
which is amazing. So I kind of want to recreate

(01:12:46):
what this character Harold did in the book and sort
of go town to town and sort of follow in
in Harold's footsteps and uh and see what happens. Probably
take a couple of months. It's about five hundred and
thirty miles something like that, but yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
You'd love it. You know, you're going to go through
some great, great towns.

Speaker 4 (01:13:06):
Yeah, I'm gonna go through Stroud and Exeter and where
was Shakespeare from? He was from st Yes, yep, through
there and then you know it kind of gets more
remote than the like last third of the track there
as you go up. I think it's called Wooler.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
Right, okay, way up there, And did you say Stroud?

Speaker 4 (01:13:29):
Yes, I'm going right through Stroud in Gloucestershire. Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
Yeah, I'm actually not far from now. I'm mutually in Gloucester.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
I lived in Stride many many years, go back in
the nineties.

Speaker 4 (01:13:39):
Oh wow, Well, maybe I'll stop and see you Nick.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
Maybe you should. Yeah, let us know when when you're passing. Yeah,
and I'll meet you along the route.

Speaker 4 (01:13:48):
Yeah. Really looking forward to it. I hope to do
it or a year from now if I can raise
enough funds. But I'm kind of looking for sponsors and
you know, tie it into a charity. And I've actually
gotten hold of the author of the book and she
knows about what I'm doing. And you know, they're filming
a movie of the book right now as we speak,

(01:14:10):
and so she kind of trying to tie my walk
in with that and we'll see what happens.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
Yeah, that's wonderful idea.

Speaker 4 (01:14:16):
Yeah, I don't know if I'll make it. I'm gonna try,
but I'm fifty I'll be fifty five by then. But
but I live near Glacier Park. I do a lot
of hiking, so I'm used to lots of day hikes,
but that's more like, you know, eight to twelve miles,
not five hundreds.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
So wonderful, Joel. I really appreciate you coming on today
and sharing that for listeners.

Speaker 4 (01:14:38):
I really love your show, Nick, And the best part
of it is it's just honest and clean and there's
no X files music playing. It's just people talking. And
you know, I became obsessed with UFOs after my you know,
when I was a kid. After that, and I've seen
it all, I've read it all, and there's so much
sensationalism around it, and you really dial that back. There's

(01:15:02):
only like a couple researchers that I feel follow into.
I think Richard Dolan is another researcher that really does
a good job of just keeping a level head and
not sensatializing everything. And you do much the same kind
of work. So I really appreciate it, and I think
it's important.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
It is important to do it that way, and you're
absolutely right, that's exactly what happens.

Speaker 4 (01:15:24):
Your show does not have an agenda, and that's that's
the best part about it. It's just here's here's what happened.
That's it. Well, keep up the good work, Nick, I
really appreciate it. And uh, you know, I promote your
show on my own Facebook page. I have a pretty
big following, and you know, I just like to see
it continue to grow.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
No problem, great storking'sh man. All right, Okay, thank you,
joll That is all for this week. Keep updated and
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if you have an encounter you'd like to share on
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