Ep.164 UFO's Angels & Gods (Throwback)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You'll be away five seventeen.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Do you want to report a UFO hanging in?

Speaker 1 (00:05):
We don't want to report every thirty one.

Speaker 3 (00:08):
Do you wish to report a UFO over hey, we
want to one of those areas thirty one?

Speaker 4 (00:15):
Do you wish to find a report of any kind
of it? I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Time areas thirty one me neither there were self.

Speaker 4 (00:26):
If it was anybody uh above us to pass us,
Like thirty seconds ago, we.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Were sending one top of golf negative, okay, off the UFO.

Speaker 4 (00:37):
Yeah, it's murder ten nine o'clock.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yes, I'll just passed over.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
God.

Speaker 4 (00:43):
I don't know what it was, but it's from at
least to three thousand feet above us. See, I passed
right over the thought of us.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Ninety one one.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
You just called both to be before they're after staying
the airplanes he.

Speaker 4 (01:02):
To God.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
More calm on an unidentified object every Liberty four call
or calm on an Unidentified flying object.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
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(01:48):
Hello and welcome to the show everyone. How are you
all doing. I'm Nick Hunter and you're listening to the
UFO Chronicles podcast. Thank you for stopping by. This week,
our guest is Ali from Toronto, and Ali will be
sharing his close up UFO sighting that took place in
the deserts of Iran in nineteen ninety nine with his father.

(02:08):
This encounter led Ali to the making of a documentary
that presents a biblical view into the phenomena.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Ali up next.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
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(02:39):
appreciated and it helps the show to continue running. Now
on with the show, Hello Ali, and welcome to the podcast.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
He Nick.

Speaker 4 (03:02):
Thank you for having me and you're calling from Toronto, Canada. Yes, wonderful.
Now you're going to be sharing a UFO site you
had in the deserts of Iran in nineteen ninety nine. Yes,
would you like to begin there for it, please, sir.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Absolutely. It was the Christmas holidays and I had some
time sometime off two weeks to go visit my dad.
I had this compelling idea that I had to go
to Ran and tell him like I had a message
for him. And the message had to do with just

(03:37):
my personal views concerning the fulfillment of a prophecy from
the Bible, a template, a perfect template that existed kind
of in the Old Testament concerning Israel. And a lot
of people see that what's happening today in the Middle

(03:58):
East is in literal agreement with the prophecies, with the
prophetic painting that the prophets of Israel painted, you know
thousands of years ago that one day Israel in the
Middle East would undergo these trials and tribulations and it
would lead to this and that. And when you kind

(04:20):
of look at what's happening in the Middle East, it
really very nicely fits the architecture of this prophetic template,
and part of it is in the scroll of Ezekiel.
There's a prophecy of a war against Israel, and it
has a list of countries, a list of nations that
attack from the north and from the south, and in

(04:41):
the list of countries attacking from the north is Persia.
Iran is mentioned as one of the countries coming in.
The north is in fact what we would call the East.
So when you're standing, let's say in Jerusalem, and you
look east, you will go through the Arabian Desert, and
then that you go to Mesopotamia, which is Iraq, and
then you across these very high mountains and now you're

(05:03):
in the Iranian plateau. But in the days the prophets,
no one could cross the desert unless you had camels.
And that's what the Arabs. They survived all the way
into the seventh century because they had a monopoly over
the camels and it lived in the middle of the desert,
so no one could get to them, and so people

(05:24):
had to go into the fertile crescent north of Mesopotamia
and to Syria, you know, Turkey kind of down into
Israel through Lebanon and Syria Damascus. So these enemies come
from that direction. It involves you know, Syria, it involves Lebanon,
it involves Iran, and so this prophecy kind of captivated

(05:47):
me because of the events of the late twentieth century
that saw the coming of a theocracy to take you know,
a theocracy took over the government of Iran, and it
had popular support for decades. It had popular support. There
was a lot of people in the country that I

(06:08):
guess at some level shared the values of that theocracy,
and that theocracy kind of put a bull's eye on
what it calls Desionist entity, which is this idea that
they've created in their minds as to what Israel represents,
and they believe they're on a prophetic destiny as well
as a duty to destroy the state of Israel. And

(06:32):
so in nineteen ninety nine I was having this recurring
thought in my head that I had to go and
tell my dad about this and tell him that, you
know what, if this does happen, then according to this
book and these prophecies, God is with Israel, and these

(06:54):
countries will all be defeated, and this will be a
very important moment of human history. All kinds of of
you know, spiritual and upheavals will occur out of this
event and you can't agree with it. You can't do
anything about it, sure, but you shouldn't agree with it
in your heart and mind, in your conscience. You shouldn't suddenly,
you know, stand for it or be connected to it.

(07:15):
That was the idea. I had to go and tell
him that. And I was having this idea come to
me several times during the day and eventually caught my attention.
I thought, wow, this thought won't stop. It's kind of
a strange thought, but I guess, I guess I should
perhaps listen to it. So I had two weeks off,
and you know, I always enjoyed seeing him. My parents

(07:36):
were divorced when I was six years old, so we
had lived abroad and I would just go and see
him whenever I had a chance. And so I booked
a flight.

Speaker 4 (07:49):
And this was the whole.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
I don't know if you remember it. There was this
thing called the Y two K, and the idea was,
you know, as the calendar on the computer is the peces,
it's all going to go zero zero zero because of
the year two thousand and you know, will your will
your mortgage go through? And will your for me? Was
will my will my university debt payments go through, and

(08:12):
I was hoping secretly that no, and it would all
be lost, but that this was the Y two K year.
So I went there and when I got there, the
flight comes in around four am, between three to four am,
and by the time you get your luggage and you
go through everything, then you drive home, it can be
around six am. That's when you get home. And so

(08:35):
for me, of course it's time to go to bed,
you know, the the hour the time difference. For them,
of course, it's like time to get up. And so
we got home and my Dad's like, you sounded like
there's something you wanted to tell me. What is it?
And because you only have two weeks and you haven't
seen each other for a while, you do really start

(08:58):
conversations right away and you know, keep them going. I said,
well that you know, there's this It sound strange, but
there's this prophecy in this book and this is what
it says. And I told him, and also I said, look,
there's some people who who interpret this prophecy. They say
that the Russians are involved as well, because it says

(09:20):
the enemies come from the Great North, like not just
the North, but like the north of the north, so
so north you know of Turkey is Russia, and so
some people saw that Russia would be you know, one
of the leaders of this of this coalition of nations,
which are all Islamic nations today they are all Islamic nations.

(09:42):
And so he, you know, he was he was like,
thank you, well, thank you for bringing this my attention.
His wife was there as well with him, and she
was like, well, thank you, and it was very polite,
and you know, nothing came of it. And I thought, Okay,
did I make a mistake. Did I hear wrong?

Speaker 3 (09:59):
I was?

Speaker 1 (10:00):
I wow, I guess, I guess I must have misunderstood this,
this intuition. So I just went to my room and
you know, went to bed. And then that first day
in the evening, suddenly I'm standing in the middle of
the room and again I'm having this thought like did
I just come here for nothing? I mean, other than
see him, but you know, it was and suddenly they're

(10:21):
calling out for me. They're like, Ali, Ali, Ali, come
out here, come out here. And I'm like, what is it.
So I go to the living room and they're watching
the evening news and there is these two Russian officers
not don't know if they're generals, colonels. You know, they
have this kind of court on hats like military hats,

(10:42):
and and they he says, Oh, they've come to sign
a military pact with you, Ran, and it states that
they will help you Ran if Yourn finds itself in
a war, Russia will help it.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
This was kind of the beginning of this idea that
Russia was going to build a nuclear facility in Boucher
in the south of Iran, which is not complete, and
they wanted to protect their investment until it was paid off.
And so they created all kinds of military alliances with
your ed and provided you know, very powerful ground to

(11:21):
air missiles which you had to purchase. But it was
part of really protecting their investment. If they were going
to build this thing and they're going to get paid
for it, then no one you know, should come and
like vombit. That was the idea. So somehow, because I
had mentioned Russia and had mentioned this war with Israel

(11:41):
and this prophecy, I think that I think it may
perhaps maybe he had thought about it that day, but
somehow that moment, something thing made sense to him in
a strange way. In that spiritual way and that defies logic.
And he said, wow, this is interesting. Are you telling me,
I mean this book can tell the future. I said, well, yes,

(12:04):
I mean there are prophecies in this book. And he said, well,
that's good for business. I want to know what it says,
what is like the message? What is it that you
wanted to show me. I'll listen. I was like, really,
he said yes, I said okay, so I began to

(12:25):
I showed it to him. I showed him the scroll
of Ezekiel and the details of prophecy. And of course
if you're in the Middle East, then if you're in
Iran and you know, from a distance, maybe it doesn't
make sense, but there it makes immediate sense that there
could be a war with is Reel. But this would
be written twenty five hundred years ago, you know, long
before Islam even existed or Iran became an Islamic country.

(12:50):
Iran's history is very old, and Islam is a very
new part of Iran's story. But so many things had
to fall into place, and even the dispersion, you know,
of the Jewish people to all the nations, and that
we gathering and the Automan Empire was then you know, defeated,
and this land that was taken by the Romans was

(13:13):
then given was taken then from the Romans by the Muslims,
and through a succession of caliphates of Islamic empires, basically
into the handles of the Ottoman who then lose it
to the British because they ally with the Germans in
World War One, and General Allen b you know, walks
through the gates of Damascus, and that's the fall of

(13:34):
the Outtoman Empire and from the British Mandate to the
rise of Hertzel's secular Zionism and the idea that you know,
the Jews are persecuted and they need a national homeland
where they control the army. To the Christian Zionist movement
that begins in England with the idea that somehow God
has given the British an empire for what purpose, And

(13:57):
the idea is developed among some Christians that it's for
the purpose of returning this land to the Jews, because
the prophecies of the Bible require it and leading to
the Second Coming. And so all the convergence of all
of these things that finally led this nation back and
all the events that happened since the negative reaction that

(14:20):
the Islamic authorities had to it, and then the fact
that in Iran there was a revolution where Iran went
from being an ally of Israel to becoming its arch enemy,
and all of these things led to this moment in
time where this prophecy written twenty five hundred years ago
could actually occur on the stage of history. Well, I mean,

(14:43):
it's very compelling, and when you're in the Middle East,
it's all more compelling because you're living it. It's on
your news, it's on everyone's lips. And so to come
with this information and show this scroll, it's two very
long and detailed chapters where this war is described in
great detail. You know, it kind of captivates the imagination,

(15:04):
I guess. And so they wanted to know the foundations,
like how did the story get to this point? Basically,
So I told them the story from the beginning, I mean,
from the garden of Eden. I laid the foundations or
the birth of the nations, the birth of the various civilizations,
the empires, eventually the birth of Israel, the prophecies concerning

(15:26):
you know, the Messiah, and you know, the cosmic story
of the Bible, that humanity is cast as a character
of a much larger tale that occurs in the universe,
that you know, other beings are involved, that humanity is
born into a universe that already has a history, and
that these other characters that are in this creation of

(15:48):
which the universe is a part of, conscious beings with
a self with will, like us with free will, Their
actions and are actions together, you know, begin to form
human history, this view of reality. So you kind of
built the whole story up for them, and then all

(16:08):
the way to the New Testament. And when we had
to tackle the topic of angels, I said to them
just because this was an idea that someone had shared
with me, you know, in nineteen ninety six, nineteen ninety seven,
when I was a graduate student at UFD, I was
studying French literature, and so someone had shared this idea

(16:29):
with me that there may be a connection between the
modern day UFU phenomenon and the angels of the Bible.
And I had read, like you know, von Donakin, and
this whole idea of the chariots of the gods, and
that kind of thinking was in the back of my mind.
I hadn't really looked too deep into it. To be honest,

(16:51):
it was an interesting idea that there may be a
connection between this modern phenomenon of this, you know, the
supernatural reality of modern day upos and the angelic presence
in the Bible, because you know, I realized, oh wow, wow.
The passages in the Bible to talk about angels are
in fact very different from the way we imagine it
in our culture. Like when we think of angels, we

(17:14):
think of like the paintings of the Renaissance masters like
Michelangelo Raphaelo. You know, if you've been to the museums
of the Vatican where these paintings exist, they're birdlike men.
There are men with birdlike wings on their backs, or
there are tiny little boys like the chirps, tiny little

(17:35):
boys with tiny little wings. And that's how we kind
of see the angels. Even if you watch a movie
on Netflix, for instance, with that involves angels, you're going
to see them coming down flapping these birdlike wings. And
where do they come from? Well, the clouds, I mean,
isn't that where God is? That was the thinking of
the people in the Middle Ages. But in the scriptural

(17:59):
account it's very different. First of all, angels are in
the Bible. I mean, sometimes they appear as humans as men,
but other times they're very terrifying beings. There's bronze and
different alloys involved in their structure. And then there is
this whole concept of the chariots of the angels in

(18:20):
Hebrews called rechev, which translates as vehicle. Actually, if you
look it up in a dictionary in Hebrew, Biblical, Hebrew
English dictionary, it'll say it means vehicle something that you write.
The reason it was called chariot. What translated as chariots
is because until the twentieth century there was no other

(18:44):
vehicle but a chariot. So the translators thought, well, you know,
we'll just say chariot because that's that's what this is.
You know, what else could it be? But you know,
the idea that angels here. For instance, this is from
David's writings, who lived a thousand years before Christ. He says,

(19:05):
the charots of God are twice ten thousand, thousands upon thousands.
The Lord is among them. Sinai is now in the sanctuary.
So the idea is that the mountain of Sinai is
suddenly encompensated by the presence of God and his angels.
But this presence involves these vehicles him. It means literally

(19:29):
the chariots of God, but the word Elohim can also
mean angels, so it could also be the charoit of angels.
And then God himself has something that he writes the
presence of God in time and space. It's called the
mehr Kava, and it's also described in other passages and details.
As you know, God appears in that way. And so
these ideas that there may be a connection between these

(19:51):
things and the Ufoth nomenone had been put into my mind.
I'd never consider them deeply. I'd never investigated the Ufo
nomen on, all these things in the Bible. So when
I got to the whole kinds of angels, as I'm
taking them on this great journey through the literature of
the Bible and the story that weaves and how it
leads to the twentieth century, then I had to address

(20:14):
the angels. I said, well, angels, you know, angels in
the Bible. They you know how you know how there's
UFOs around you know, think of the angels. Perhaps perhaps
there's a connection. Perhaps this is the empirical evidence of
those passages of the angelic reality, and they're like, okay, fine,
them just kept going with the story. It wasn't an
important part of it. And then they were, in fact,

(20:36):
very touched by the story. They came to an epiphany,
they came to faith, they were baptized and all of that,
and then they decided that they wanted to go. My
dad decided, why don't we take a road trip and
go to Shiraz. Now we were talking all day basically,
like from eight in the morning until five to night.
We just have lunch. This idea of a road trip.

(21:01):
Why she as well, because that's where he's from. You know,
he was born there and his wife, a relative of his,
a cousin, you know, she was born there as well,
and they hadn't visited the town for many years, and
she was very happy to go and see her family,
and he was, you know, wanted to show me the town.
It's a historical town. That's where the great you know,

(21:24):
Persepolis of Cyrus is and the city of the Persians
and many other you know, historical sites. It was a
great capital twenty five hundred years ago and it never
ceased from being a city. So it's an old city
and so we decided to go in. Iranian highways are
very dangerous. Iran as one of the highest statistics of

(21:48):
highway accidents in the whole world. Basically, people don't Some
people don't follow the rules, but they have made up
their own understanding of the rules and they thrive according
they know what those rules are. They themselves know what
the rules are. Like. For instance, when one of the
first trips I ever took as an adult who ran,
we drove down the street where my dad was living

(22:11):
on and suddenly he turned left and I realized that
it was a one way street that he turned into
a major one way street. There was like three lanes
of traffic coming and I was like, what are you doing?
And the traffic just parted around him like water and
just around our car and went around us as he
just with confidence plowed forward and I was surprised. I

(22:32):
was like, oh, okay, that worked out. And he said
to me, look, this used to be a two way street,
but they came from seat hall and they made this
little portion at a one way street and it doesn't
make sense to any of us, so we don't respect it.
And they all knew about this. You had to kind
of be in the note. So basically, highways are dangerous.

(22:53):
Seat belts. I mean, no one wears the seat belts.
It's just a recent thing that people wear seat belts,
but they drive very fast. My dad said, no, what,
let's drive after midnight because there's far less traffic and
it'll be safe. And I said, okay. So we left.
Shiraz is an eleven hour drive from Tehran and it's

(23:14):
mostly in the desert. It's kind of like Arizona type desert.
It's not sand dunes. There is a sand dune desert
ran but this is not the one. Iran is made
of two deserts in the middle of it, and then
you know high mountains around it. It's a very high
it's a ten thousand foot plateau. It's kind of like
when you come from the Valley of Shinar, the valley

(23:36):
of Mesopotamia, where the cradle of human civilization is. You
immediately have these three four thousand meter twelve thousand foot
mountains to climb, and then when you climb down the
other side, you will be in the Iranian plateau, which
has a series of mountains at the top and mountains
coming down the side. In the middle, there is the
plateau and you're about ten thousand feet. You're high. I

(23:59):
don't know how higher you are, but you're high. You're
very high. And then if you keep going towards India,
you know, as you go east, you'll hit Pakistan and Afghanistan,
the mountain and rest regions of those countries and into India.
And from there you could keep going east and you'll
get to the Himalayas. But this whole ascent to the

(24:19):
Himalayas begins, you know, And so people feel that that's
in those mountains in Iran. Perhaps that's where they Noah's
are settled, because it says that they went east into
the valley of Shinar, Sumerian Valley where the civilization began
actually archaeologically speaking, and so they would have come from

(24:41):
Iran into that valley. And anthropologists say that the oldest
agricultural sites in the Fertile Crescent happened to be on
the highlands and not on the lowlands. They don't know why,
they can't explain it. But if the waters receded over time,
then the highlands would have been ulti before the lowlands,
and I have been on the top of these mountains

(25:03):
like you can get into these telecabins like that carry
you up. It's about a forty five minutes ride up
a twelve thousand foot mountain and when you get up there,
you're you're twelve thousand feet up. But it's like plains
and valleys, you can walk around. You could live there
for a long time. Some of the oldest cigaattes, like

(25:24):
for instance, on the oldest cigarette that we know of
is in one of those high lands in Iran. It's
over seven thousand years old. So again, you know, the
ones that are in the valley of shin are are
younger cigarettes. So it's kind of a narrative stands. So
you're kind of driving through this ancient land in this
desert place, and you have rocky stones around you. You

(25:47):
don't see a lot of light. There's just the odd
light of the coming you know, car whiziting by. You
know that's that's a There's no like street lights or anything.
It's just the stars. And once you're deep into the drive,
once you're past, you know, the city center, like Tehran
as a capital is estimated to have about twenty million

(26:08):
people living in it and the city is like an
ocean if you look from a balcony, you just see
city and as far as your eye can see. But
where that city ends, the desert begins. And the first
thing that they have built in the desert is a cemetery.
Everybody who lives in Tehran is buried in the same cemetery.

(26:28):
That cemetery has a mayor, it has streets with street lights.
It's like a little town basically, that's how big it
has become. But that is the beginning of the desert.
So they just keep extending the cemetery into the desert.
As you go north into the city, it becomes more
and more green, and when you get to the very
north of the city is the greenest part, and that's

(26:49):
where the wealthiest neighborhoods are. And from there, if you
keep driving north, you'll get to the Russian border and
the Caspian Sea, and that, of course is the greenest part.
But if you go south, you'll get to the end
of the city and you get to the desert. You
get to the cemetery, and when you pass the cemetery,
the highway begins and you keep going for about an

(27:10):
hour and a half and you get to the first
other important town, which is rom which is the seminary
where all the clerics who really ran, they graduate from
the great Seminaries of GM where they learn an interpretation
of Islam that they're now going to apply to foreign
policy and the understanding of the West and Israel and

(27:30):
all of that. That is where it's taught. And once
you get past the city of rom now there's really
it's just a no man's land. And in that portion
of drive, we were going to drive for about six
hours and rest in a town which was between the
capitol and Shiras. We were going to sleep there and

(27:52):
then get up the next morning and drive the second leg,
which is a much less traffic, you know, and because
there's that road only leads to Shira.

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Speaker 1 (29:16):
So Isfahan is where we were going to rest is
a city about a three million, and Shiraz was a
city of one million. So in the first journey from
Tehran to Isfahan, past the city of Rome where the
seminary is, we're just driving now. There is really nobody
on the road other than the odd car and the
pit stops, which are essentially villages, and there's you know,

(29:39):
a restaurant open always twenty four to seven for people
to go to the washroom and eat, because these are
roads that people travel on, and these restaurants are called
travelers homes, that's what they're called, because they're just for travelers,
kind of like motels in the United States or here
in Canada as well. So we're driving, We're the only

(30:01):
car on the road, and I have my back to
the passenger door, and my dad's wife is driving. We
have an SUV and my dad is sitting in between
the two seats in the back seat, leaning over, and
I have my back to the passenger door, and I'm
talking to both of them as they're driving, and I'm

(30:23):
very engulfed in what I'm saying, and I'm I don't
know what I'm saying, that I'm describing something from this
great tale of the Bible that I'm telling them. I'm
telling them everything about the rise and fall of the
empires that are mentioned by both the Babylonians and the Romans,
and the Greeks and the Persians and the Assyrians and
the Egyptians, and of course the Jews themselves, and the

(30:44):
prophecies the guide human history through the ages, and how
it all ties into the you know, the meaning of
life and faith and the interconnection with God, and how
that portal opens and every day were there and I'm
just talking and talking and talking, and suddenly my dad's
wife points to the window behind me and she makes

(31:08):
these incoherent sounds like like that. And I'm so caught
up in what I'm saying that I don't really notice her.
I just keep talking. Then my dad looks over at
her and says, what's wrong, Nima? And I noticed that
he does that, and she just keeps doing that. So

(31:28):
he turns around to see what she's pointing to. And
next thing, you know, he is also doing the same.
And now they're both pointing out that window behind my
head and they're saying like that, And I'm like, what's
wrong with you guys? So I sit properly in my
seat to look out the window, and suddenly I see

(31:50):
this huge object. It's if it were a building, it
would be, you know, three four story high low rise,
half a city block. This thing is huge, and I
can see it's sphericle. It's round, and I can see structure.
I can see divisions. I think I can see windows,

(32:12):
but I certainly can see division, and all around it,
I see green lights, tons of little green lights, to
the point where it's pulsating green, just pulsating green. But
I can see it's because of all the green lights.
I mean, this is how close we are to this thing.
And it's slowly coming down, and I thought this is

(32:33):
a helicopter, but I'm like, no, this is not a helicopter.
And I'm just watching it, and eventually it's perpendicular to
the car as we're driving forward on the highway and
I look outside my window right at it, and what
I see is this large tube, this black tube, coming

(32:56):
out of the ground. It's like a giant cylinder and
it's the same color as the desert night. If you
weren't this close to it, you wouldn't have seen this
thing come out. That's the camouflage is that perfect. You
would have just seen the night. And this thing then
slowly comes down until it's right on top of it,
and then just like that, like in the blink of

(33:16):
an eye, it just goes into the ground. And she
then blurts out, this is a sign from God to
show us that all that Ali has been saying is true.
And she's like, did you see that? And my Dad's
like I did, I did, And I just sank quietly
into my seat. And here I am telling them about
this stuff and tell them about you know, the Bible

(33:38):
and angels and even mentioning possible if there might be
a connection with your host. Yet I am in a
complete state of shock, thinking what what what just happened?
And so I don't even remember, you know, what was
said at that moment. We we got we made it
to Isfahan, We booked a hotel room, we went to bed,

(34:01):
we woke up the next morning. I remember sitting at
the breakfast table thinking, isn't anyone to talk about this?
But you know, no, I don't understand why then. But
when I later got into the research, I understood that
actually this is common. It's too big of a reality,
and people don't know what to do with it. They
don't know how to fit it. They're just basically processing

(34:23):
it essentially. When I came back to Toronto, I decided
that I was I was going to really look into
this thing, you know, seriously this time. And there was
a website what was it called? I think it's called
the UFO Research Center. I just went on the internet.

(34:44):
Google was kind of young. We used to use Yahoo,
but then one day I guess we all started to
use Google and never went back to Yahoo. I guess,
I assume because it was better. That's always the lingering
question I have. Why is it that the very first
time I used Google, I never went back to YAW
And I realized that's experience instead of everyone else had,

(35:06):
I guess because it was better. But so I looked
it up just UFOs and I found this website and
the Intronet was a lot more young in nineteen ninety nine,
and it's this is the beginning of two thousand. Now
you know, the New year had occurred, so you know,
you just there was a few pages sometimes about different topics.

(35:27):
I mean, there are topics that now have millions of
search results that had none, and you would say, there's
no search results. So I looked up the UFOs and
this website came up, and I went on it and
it had a section where you could record your siting.
You describe what you saw. You then put the time

(35:48):
of the day and the place where it happened. And
that was really the first time I actually shared this
with anybody else. As I was walking in the streets
of Toronto, I realized, I see, there really is a stigma.
You can't talk about this. People do think you're kind
of weird, and this is a weird thing, because you know,
you think that you'd be suddenly coming out and telling

(36:10):
the whole world and everyone would be like, going, Wow,
it's incredible, right, But this is also, you know, twenty
two years ago. It still was in a different place
in the culture, but there was a stigma around it
which still exists. But this website gave me kind of
a chance. I realized I needed to share this with somebody,
and this was my first, you know, moment where I

(36:31):
actually shared it with someone by typing out what I'd seen.
And then I was eagerly reading everything else that other
people had written because I could believe it all. I
now could believe all those stories, and I realized, wow,
there's so many sightings where I live in Ontario and
different shapes, different times. I saw this here and these
are normal, regular day people just like me, and I

(36:53):
could now believe it. And what I was doing for
a living in those days, and when you study French
language and literature, it doesn't always take you to a livelihood.
But I was an avid martial artist and I had
opened the school where I was teaching kung fu, which
is a Chinese form of boxing, and I also taught

(37:13):
another one which is called tai chi, two different types
of Chinese boxing, but literally just let's just say it's
just Chinese martial arts. It's like saying that you're teaching
two different you know, stars of guitar. And so this
company had hired me to teach their staff three times
a week and they were This was like the dot
com era, where everything I had a dot com attached

(37:37):
to it was going to be really big. The Internet
was just you know, waking up, and this dot com
company they made fake movie trailers, movie trailers that for
movies that didn't exist. But they're very comical, very entertaining,
thirty second trailers, and the idea was that people would
buy these from them or commission them to make it,

(37:59):
and they would put it on their websites as a
way of attracting traffic. So people would say it was
like the only place in the world you could see
this trailer was go and change his website and you're
going to watch this very funny trailer. And that was
kind of So these corporations were hiring them to make
this and they're a successful company, but they also they
would get harassed sometimes they filmed all over the place

(38:22):
and I think that the leader of the company will
always wanted to study these things, and now he had
a budget, so he had hired me, and I was
going there three times a week to teach kung fu
in this company. And when I was there one day
after I'd finished teaching, we got to talk about the

(38:42):
world with one of the guys there, Nick, actually his
name was Nick too. And so what he said to me,
our only hope is the UFOs, and with all the
problems in the world, that's really our only hope. And
I said to him, well, no, Nick, you know the
UFO they're not all good. There's two sides to this story.

(39:03):
And he was like, really, tell me the story. So
I told him everything that I had dug up about
this phenomenon from this biblical lens, because you know, it's
the one that was the most compelling to me, and
I'll share why. And he listened to me, and I
think we spoke for over two hours. I think the

(39:24):
class ended, yeah, around eight, and we spoke till ten.
And then as I was leaving, he said to me, oh,
by the way, if you ever want to make a
documentary about this, let me know. I mean, this was
a video production company. I'll help you out. And so
I thought about it that week and the next Friday
I said to him, you know, I want to make
a documentary about this. And that's how the whole thing,

(39:45):
the journey of making this documentary started that people can
actually watch on my website now. It's Think Again Productions
dot com. And the documentary was called UFO's Angels and Gods.
And it's incredible how all these forces came together, people
writing music and editing and all kinds of things just

(40:07):
came together. A narrator appeared. It was interesting for me
to watch how all these forces came together. And the
documentary was made and it was supposed to go to
a film festival, the Toronto Film Festival. They looked at it.
They said the production quality wasn't immediately edited so quickly.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
You know.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
Eventually we edited a second time and really polished it,
and that's that's the one that people can watch now.
But I thought, well we didn't get into the festival.
What am I going to do now? Well, there's a
new website up. It's called Google Video, and you could
upload your video. YouTube was owned by three young guys
in their early twenties. It was an interesting website, but

(40:47):
no one really thought that it was going to make it.
Everyone thought Google Video, of course, was going to make it. Eventually,
Google bought YouTube and ditched their own, you know platform,
but Google Video. I uploaded on Google Video, thinking, I
guess that's where it's supposed to go. I was so
convinced that we're going to be in this festival and
that there was a guiding hand behind the making of

(41:10):
this documentary had a message that people needed to hear
and get them to think about it. So I upload
on Google Video and went home, and I came back
the next morning, and you know, it could only show
you how many people had seen it the next day.
You had to wait twenty four hours to see how
many people had watched it. I came back and I
turned it on, and I realized that five thousand people

(41:30):
had watched it, which was a lot. I know. This
was in two thousand and six. People thought the Internet
was going to be mainly for pictures and text like
words and audio audio podcasts actually were seen as something
that was really going to make it, because that is
something you could get through the Internet wire. But video

(41:51):
off no way. Video is just too much data video
is not going to make it. The Internet is way
too slow, and it's interesting how we cage our thinking.
And a lot of people still had dial up. Not
everyone had high speed. That's why, you know, you couldn't
really access video. So five thousand views was actually considered

(42:12):
a lot in one night for an audio visual piece.
And I saw the comments next to it, and I
was like, oh, that's interesting. So I looked up my email.
I opened up my email. I realized that tons of
people had emailed me. And the next day I came
and there was another five thousand view and it just
kept going, going and going. It went viral. People were

(42:37):
contacting me from all around the world, Taiwan, Italy, everywhere
in the United States. People were contacting me and saying
they wanted to translate the audio in their language and
release it in their country. One day, the phone rang
and I picked up the phone. I mean, this is
all happening like one that very fast, one thing after

(42:58):
the other. I picked up the and this guy he said, Hi,
I'm calling from Hollywood. I'm like okay. He said, I've
seen your documentary on line. I'm like okay. He said,
remove it immediately. We're going to send you a contract.
I want you to send us the music. I want
you to send us the pictures used, and we're gonna
make different versions. We're gonna make t shirts, We're gonna

(43:19):
make caps. We're going to have this in every store
all over the United States. I'm emailing the contract right now,
and you can change anything you want about it. I'm like, okay,
another day, I'm practicing my martial arts. I mean, I'm
in my martial arts studio. This is where I edited
this thing. I'm literally practicing forms and punches and kicks.
And the door opens and a Catholic priests and two
nuns walk in, and I'm like, hello, can I help you?

(43:41):
Thinking they're in the wrong place, and he says, well,
we've come here to see you. It comes you see me?
Why okay? And why did you Why do you want
to see me? Oh? We saw your documentary on line
so people could watch it for free. But if they
wanted to order a DVD version, I would send it
to them. So come in in the morning and there
are all these orders. I would, you know, put an envelope,

(44:04):
write their name on it, and go down to the
post office and mail it. And when I would get back.
There was just as many orders waiting for me.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
You know.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
I think that in two months, we sold four thousand
dollars US worth of DVDs in two months at twenty
dollars a pop. People were saying, you know, I'm buying
to send me three copies because I want to give
one to each one of my family members. It was

(44:33):
just incredible, and people were writing me emails and saying,
I made this book. I'm a best selling author, and
I was wondering if you and your team would like
to make a documentary on my book. And it was
hilarious because it was just me in an empty room
and my friend Mark, a friend of mine from high
school who had gone into film, who had helped me

(44:56):
edit this. I mean, we were working on this seven
eight hours a day for two months because we wanted
to make the film festival, and we're editing it twice.
We worked twenty four hours on it, and there was
no team, you know, but it really hit a nerve
and I thought, wow. So next thing, you know, we
are on the most popular items of Google Video. So

(45:18):
you go to Google Video, you logged in, there was
six icons that appeared on the front page, and this
was called the most popular. There was a documentary called Zeitgeist.
Everyone was watching. Another one was about the collapse of
the Twin Towers in New York. It was called money something.
It was these were you know this, We were one

(45:39):
of them. There was UFOs angels and gods, and their
computer picked the picture and the picture was the three
Magi or in the Bible. There's not three of them.
We don't know how many they are, but the magi
in the picture there was three pointing to a star.
That was an image you know, from the documentary. And
so we were now on the most popular page of
Google Video and it just kept going and going until

(46:01):
it reached two hundred and seventy thousand views. And that's
when I took it off because you know, everyone was like,
why don't you Why don't people pay to see this?
That was kind of one of the ideas as to
why we took it off in those days, which which
I wish I had never taken it off and I
had put it on YouTube because my goal was to
get people to think about this and what was it

(46:23):
that we said in this documentary that was groundbreaking and
compelling to people? What was the connections we had made
the ancient astronaut theorists like Vondonakin and the Charity of
the gods, and there was another one. It was one
of those several of them, but probably the two most
famous were Vondonikin and Zachariusitchen, but there was several others
as well. These guys were saying were presenting their thinking

(46:48):
in the Darwinian paradigm. They were saying, look, aliens existed,
exist in the universe. They evolved elsewhere the way we
evolved here, and they have visited our ancestors, and they're
also visited us today. And maybe it's the same ones,
maybe it's different, but many of the ancient nations talked
about them, they received technology from them, know how from them,

(47:09):
and there were ancient astronauts coming from elsewhere in modern
astronauts also visiting us. That was kind of you know,
the thinking of these people, the ancient astronaut theorists, because
this the modern u ful phenomenon had brought a huge
up people into the thinking of people that studied ancient
text from all around the world, like the Indian Vimana

(47:32):
was the term of the chariots of the Indian gods
and today in modern da Hindi, vimana is the term
used for aeroplane, and there's Indian scholars thinking along these lines.
Everyone was thinking along as the lions, So maybe is
there a connection is the same and these ancient astronaut
theorists had captured the thinking in the Urbinian paradigm. So
we came out and we said, no, wait, there's no

(47:54):
need to rethink the characters of Let's say in this
case the Bible, the angels are still the angels. God
is still God, Jesus still Jesus. You know, Satan, all
these characters, humanity, man, women, we're all these characters are
all exactly as the Bible imagines them. Now we know
that always from the beginning, the angels have used these

(48:18):
vehicles to ride in the time and space. There are
no aliens in the Darwinian sense, because nothing evolved anywhere.
This is you know, God created these conscious beings and
we don't want to imagine what other worlds may look
like until we go there. Perhaps it's the whole structure
of the creation is very different, but then the way

(48:41):
we're imagining it. So this is the physical manifestation of
the presence of God and angels in the universe, that
God and angels operate in this manner in the universe,
and these passages in the Bible speak of them. So
the Ufo phonom became like a key that brought all

(49:03):
of these passages out of the realm of mythology. You
could now hear and listen to these things and go wow.
So this could have happened. An angel came and rolled
the tomb of Jesus and sat on it. Okay, you
know like this. This guy was this kung fu student
once he was Jewish, you know, when they came to
a private kung fu class and he said to me,
I watched your documentary. I said, so you watched my

(49:23):
How did you know I had a documentary? He said,
I googled you and it came up and I said, okay,
well great. And then he proceeded to tell me that
he was a secular Jew. He didn't really believe in
the Old Testament and the Torah. He said, for the
first time, I thought to myself, if this is true,
then now I can see how the law was given

(49:45):
at Mount Sinai, and that God and his angels would
have been present there in the clothing that you are
presenting the story, it made it real to me. And
so this was kind of the idea that the UFO
phenomenon made these stories real that were in the Bible,
and the Bible in turn provided the solve the mystery

(50:05):
as to who they are, what they're doing, what's going on,
why is there such a mass ufo citing, and where
is it all going. So once you kind of rescue
your thinking from the age of Enlightenment and from the
hypothesis of Darwin, instead of extending all of that into
this mystery of the UFOs, you kind of look back

(50:28):
at history and you see that there is this group
of texts that is supposedly the sayings of the gods.
So you have, you know, the ancient books of Polytheism,
theves of Zoraster with the gods of Zoroasterianism, and the
main religion of ancient Persia. You have the Egyptian Book
of the Dead. In Mesopotamia, you have of course the

(50:48):
Great and uma Elish, the Scripture of Mesopotamia, the guided
human civilization for thousands of years really until the age
of Monotheism. You know, you have Tibetan Book the Day.
You have other codes of law handed down like the
Code of Hammurabi, which is handed on by the Sun
god Champs who's known as Apollo in the West, and

(51:11):
all the civilizations attribute their genesis to these codes that
are handed down. So whether it's Moses going up to
the mountain of Sinai and receiving the codes of civilization
of the Hebrew civilization, or whether it's Mohammad proclaiming that
he has heard the voice of Allah, and there appears
a text Quran, which becomes the foundation of the Islamic civilization,

(51:33):
which then proceeds to conquer the great and mighty Greek
and Persian empires and form what is today the Islamic world.
Other than the Greeks themselves, their heartland Athens and the
cities of Greece survive the onslaught of the armies of Muhammad,
but Constantinoples falls in fourteen fifty three and Persua falls

(51:55):
in the seventh century. So the Greek Rome becomes the
Musli world. And this is because Muhammad receives this code.
It's a very complex system. The Bible is extremely complex.
I mean, anybody who's read the Bible, which very few
people have in our culture, you'd realize very quickly that
a guy didn't write this like this is very complex.
The prophecies come true. The archaeology that even the system

(52:18):
of law governing the civilization is foundational to reality. That's
why we still use these laws in our legal system.
The Commonwealth draws from it, so does the canon law
of the Catholic Church that is kind of mixed with
Roman civil law to create so much of the laws
of the continent, which are still so much based on

(52:39):
a mixture of Roman law and Church law. So these writings,
these ideas shape human civilization. Coming from the gods into
the human world. It's like the codes of the matrix
are downloaded. And even the story of Jesus, you know,
this man comes from above and he speaks into the
human world. And the Roman Empire has changed forever. I mean,

(52:59):
the age of polytheism ends, and gradually, it takes a
few centuries, but with the teachings of Jesus is ushered
in the age of monotheism. Humanity, which had been polytheistic
for all of its history, suddenly becomes monotheistic because of
the teachings of this Jewish teacher who Jesus, who gets

(53:20):
he leaves the earth, but his disciples teach the Greeks
and Romans about this monotheism of Abraham, and that changes
the Roman empire. So once again a code is given
from above, a teaching and knowledge. So I realized that
these stories, now, with the Ufo phenomenon and the angels

(53:42):
coming and going in our time and in the past,
it kind of put a lot of flesh on the
bones of these stories for me. And so I decided
to say to think, Okay, well, what does the Bible
say about these about these angels. If this is the
empirical evidence of the angelic reality, then what is the
actual tale that we it all together? And so the
story is essentially that God seated the earth with life

(54:07):
and then seated the life with knowledge, and that's how
civilization developed, and that's why it developed so suddenly, and
that's why the Mesopotamian libraries like the Library of Nineveh
point to the fact that all knowledge came from the gods,
because that's what happened. This angelic revelation, you know, is
a very important part of the birth of civilization, and

(54:28):
that's why knowledge is so developed even the very beginning.
So the story is that humanity has a destiny, and
the cosmos. The earth is the incubation chamber, the birthplace
of the sons of God, of those who have a purpose.
Like when a flower is planted, its first a seed
and then it's a flower. An orange tree is a

(54:49):
seed and then it becomes an orange tree. Humanity is
a seed planted on this earth, cultivated for a purpose,
and when it blossoms and it's harvested, humans will have
a function in the future of the universe and even
the whole idea of the universe. The Hebrew word is shamim.
In the New Testament, the Greek word uranus seeks to

(55:11):
capture the Hebrew concept of shamaime. And what does chamai mean? Well,
there are three applications to it. English is a very
precise language. It has three times more words in French,
for instance, so it really tends to have an aproper
word for every thing. But in Hebrew, shamime talks about

(55:35):
where the birds fly the sky, and so often when
a translator has to translate that, and it does all
the birds fly in the shamaim In English, the translator
says to himself, Oh, well, that's what we in English
would call the sky, so he puts the sky. But
the shamim in Hebrew, in the context of the Bible stories,
also refers to the area outside of the Earth where

(55:57):
the Sun, the moon, and the stars exist. Now, that's
the universe. That's what we would call the universe. And
often it's translated as universe. Ironically in Jewish circles, in
English circles where people are uncomfortable with the idea of
adding this term universe, it's translated as heavens, and it's

(56:19):
translated and plural because the word shamaime in Hebrew itself
is plural. And the reason it's always plural the heavens
is because the Bible recognizes three heavens. The first heaven
is the sky, the second heaven is the universe, and
the third heaven is where God dwells the temple at

(56:40):
the heart of time and space, from where the government
of the universe operates with these beings in it, including
the edemic race, which is Us. And so the heavens
and the earth, and these are the host of the heavens,
and we the host of the Earth. And together we
have been in a great story, in a great tale
that began long ago and led us all the way

(57:02):
to this twenty first century, and the Book of Books
has recorded this history for all of us to know
and read. Yet the Bible was the property of the Jews,
eventually was the property of churches, and was written in
a language foreign to the vernacular, in Latin. Eventually the
printing press, the Protestant Reformation come the twentieth century. It

(57:24):
is only now, perhaps it has taken so long for
it to reach really the everyday person, you and I.
And yet and there has to be the interest because
not only is it not an easy book to read
and understand, you need a guide, but also there's because
it's a spiritual document. We it's not an easy thing
to do. You just don't think, oh, tonight, I'm going

(57:46):
to go home and pick up the Bible. You know,
it's just not the first thing comes to your mind.
So you really have to be moved by the Holy Spirit,
as they say. So it's a knowledge that's there staring
at us, but unknown. And so in this this lack
of light, we make up our own story of what
all this could be. We assign our own thinking to

(58:08):
the phenomenon and fathom it in the likeness of our
own mind. But it actually is something outside of our thinking.
It already has a story, it's just someone has to
tell it to reveal it to us. So in the Bible,
angels don't flap bird like wings. There are vehicles mentioned.
They come and go in this way. And we who

(58:29):
live in the time where the Wright brothers discovered the
secret of flight and showed us how one can operate
in the first heaven And then of course with Sputnik,
which is the satellite that was released into space by
the Russians. It was the first It began the space
age in nineteen fifty seven. It began the space age,

(58:50):
and it was really the first moment where we entered
the second heavens. And so at that point, you know,
everything changed. So we look back at these ancient texts,
you know, and we suddenly could now see that things
could come and go. And like when Noah's Ark, you know,
Noah creates this arc big, it's huge, It has these

(59:10):
dimension mentioned in the Bible. And people would read this
and say, well, it's not possible. This must be just
a story, because no one has built about this ship
this big until the nineteenth century. Rolls over and the
modern day ocean liners, and now we built these ocean liners,
and now people will look back and they said, wow,
so you can build a ship this big. And it

(59:31):
became real. The same thing when the modern UFOL phenomenon came.
It suddenly made all of this real, that words in
the Bible of these beings coming and going. But instead
of taking the perspective that, oh, these are the ancient aliens,
now we know the Bibles are revealed by a bunch
of aliens. No, what if this is the way the

(59:52):
angels who are exactly what the Texas have always operated.

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Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
So Earth becomes part of much larger stories. The Earth
is the incubation chamber of the immortal sons of God
who have a role to play in the Temple of
the heart of time and space, governing the creation, judging it,
bringing God's instructions to it. This is why we are
the image bearers of God. But there is these other

(01:00:57):
beings and one of them has an ambition that collided
with the destiny of men, and so as part of
this saga that is happening in time and space, you know,
he decided to take us out. And that story really
began our exile. You know, as Adam walked into the
larger world and there was you know, the natural man,

(01:01:20):
the hunter gatherers and all of these, you know, the
guys that lived down there. But he walks into all
of this world and you know, he's the first of
the ones who is going to usher in civilization, and
that's why civilization is relatively new. And he know, he
begins to husbandry and agriculture, you know, the two tasks

(01:01:43):
of Cain and Abel. These two things emerge, like taking
care of animals, of domesticated animals and farming. These two
things emerge exactly from where the Bible says these guys lived,
and the first cities of the world suddenly come to
life and religion and the connection with these beings. So
how does the whole thing then unfold. Well, these beings,

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the ones that have rebelled against against God, there's one
third of them, and they decide that they're going to,
you know, take advantage of the image bearers of God
who have these very special genes. What happens is that
these guys decide to take advantage of our genetic system

(01:02:29):
and they want us to bear their image, and so
they create hybrids. I mean, this is what the Bible says.
And this was very interesting because when I looked into
the modern the UFOL nomenon, I realized that what was
at the heart of the UFO p nomenon was the abduction,
the story of alien abductions, and what was the heart
of alien abductions was the creation of hybrids. And suddenly

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all the stories of ancient hybrids now again, you know,
the pattern continued. Now I could look at these ancient
stories and go, these were literal, right, these were literal.
They happened now and it happened back then. And so
looking at these stories that the sons of God and

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the daughters of men had given birth to the Nephelim,
and then I realized that these stories are recorded by
the Greeks. They're called the Titans. They're recorded by the
Assyrians and by the Mesopotamians. You know, there was their fathers,
the Anonaki and their children, the demi gods was a
common term given to these guys like you look at,

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for instance, the reg Veda in Hinduism, the most ancient
of all the texts of Hinduism is called the reg Veda.
It's the Vedic text. There's four of them, and modern
day Hindus they follow the teachings of the Baghava Ghita,
which is the teachings of Krishna, Lord Krishna, which the

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Bible calls these lords the bal The Balimi know there.
So basically the Regveda, the ancient Vedic text, is the
story the worship of Indra. And who is Indra. Well,
Indra's a demigod, he's half man, you know, child of
a human and child of a god. But these giants
of all the Nephelim. You know. I was in Persepolis,

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the capital of ancient Persia, with my dad, who was
an architect, and he said to me, you know, these
pillars would be difficult for us to erect even today,
with the cranes and all that stuff we have, And
I said, oh, really, and he said yes. And there
was a villager there with his family. I turned around
to him, and I think, to be honest, half mockingly,

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I said to him, sir, how do you think these
things were built? Not expecting an answer, And suddenly he
let go of his daughter and he straightened his back,
and I realized he took my question very seriously. He
was going to provide me with a serious answer. He said, well,
we have ancient Kuniform writings, and in these writings it
speaks of giants who were their champions, and these giants

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helped build, taught them how to build this. So the champions,
and who are giants? And like Goliath, you know who
was this champion? And so all of these ancient tales
of the hybrids now came to life for me. I
was reading the page of the Bible and going, wow,
so this has been going on for thousands of years,

(01:05:25):
But why are their hybrids today? And why have there
been hybrids in the past. Well, apparently this is the
three things. I mean, there's many things the fallen angels
gave to the nations, because the way the Bible divides
the world is Apparently after this great civilization that existed
of the fallen Angels and their hybrid offsprings, it led

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eventually to the flood. The flood was there to destroy it.
That was the purpose of the flood. It cleansed the
earth of this and after the flood there was an
attempt to reclaim this empire by Nimrod, who was presented
as the first world leader. And there God comes and
divides the family and in their minds are altered and

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they now speak in different languages. And at that point
it's the birth of the nations. You know, there are
seventy nations that are mentioned at the foundation of all
the nations. And as you follow these nations, that's why
the story is so compelling. It will take you right
into the main civilizations of humanity. In fact, many of
the places of the Middle East continue to be called

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by the name of the Sons of Noah to this day.
And so God then gives the nations into the hands
of these beings of the fallen Angels, which is a
term of in the Bible. It's a term of Christian culture.
In the Bible, there are called the gods of the nations,
and they're also called the sons of God. God gives
the nations into their hands, and he chooses one family,

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one clan for himself, Jacob, and Jacob's name will be
altered to is and the Bible will then refer to
him from then on, sometimes as Jacob and sometimes Israel,
and God will then operate through Israel on behalf of
you know, the human race. God says to Abraham that
in him all the families of the earth will be blessed.

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But the other clans are given into the hands of
these beings, who then, like God, communicate the architecture of temples,
and we have so many writings like the great you
know temple that Gudea, the king of Lagash, builds, where
he receives the architecture of the temples, And that's really
origins of mathematics, because a lot of these temples, the

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math used to build them was very complex, and so
they receive laws the nations, the laws of how to
govern themselves. That you know, all the scriptures come from
the gods, and these polytheistic pantheons are the fallen angels.
That's how the Bible sees them. So now I'm following
the story of humanity through the lens of this contact
with the world of God and angels. And I'm realizing

(01:07:57):
that the Bible speaks of the universe and speaks of
these beings, and our culture somehow has come to see
the angels as something very different from the UFO reality.
They are birdlike beings. They come out of the paintings
of Renaissance masters. At us, we maybe see them coming from,
you know, other dimensions, like magical beings that wave their

(01:08:19):
fingers around and things happen. Oh, in the UFOs, we
see them through the lens of Darwin's thinking, and so
we really see these two things very separate, and kind
of the wall of separation collapsed in my consciousness and
I realized, Ah, this story has the story of the
Bible has always included these beings, which are not aliens
but angels, and the angels operate according to the laws

(01:08:41):
of the creation. They know more about science, and they
know more about architecture, and they know more about how
to travel through the galaxies. This is the kind of
beings They have always been in the Biblical text and
in other ancient texts that relate to the Bible, like
the Book of Enoch that are very much respects, you know,
by the Jewish scholars and by early Christians who drew

(01:09:04):
so much from from Judaism. And as I'm reading this,
my entire opinion of angels is changing and realizing. Wow.
So when the nations are given into the hand of
these beings, the fallen angels and God, then you know,
speaks his laws and his prophecies and his vision for
humanity through the prophets of Israel, and eventually comes into

(01:09:26):
the earth as one of us, because man was made
in the image of God, whatever that exactly means. Where
the God is, you know, has genes where God has
entered time and space, and we are made from the
genes of God. You know, the idea that the breath
of life is breathed into the nostrils and activates the
consciousness of humanity and all of our energy systems that

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the Eastern religions are so keen and deciphering and playing
around with. But apparently this is to be a temple
for the spirit of God himself. And so as this
whole goss I guess is preached into the nations, it
breaks the yoke of these beings over the nations and
reconnects people into fellowship with the Living God, and humanity

(01:10:10):
transcends from the age of polytheism back to the monotheism
of its origins. If this is true, that you know,
we came with the understanding of who God was to
start with. And this whole story then spreads into the
nations until the time where there's going to be a
climactic battle, a great finale where God will return, it

(01:10:31):
says in the Bible with his chariots. That's what it says,
like in Isaiah sixty six, verse fifteen, that God will
come with his chariots, which again, as I said, it
means vehicles, something that carries you, something that you ride.
And so suddenly, you know, the Bible talks about the
return of the Jewish people to this covenant land as
the first foundational sign of what ushers in the period

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of history which leads the Second Coming. And it is
in nineteen forty seven that the UFO phenomenon begins with
the sighting of Kenneth Arnold over the Cascade Mountains in
Washington State. And so at the same time where this
nation is born again on the stage of history, it
is prophesied suddenly these beings appear in the skies, and

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the Lord said it would be like the days of
Noah when he was asked about the end of the
age and the days of Noah the days of the hybrids.
And suddenly these beings appear and they start to create
hybrids nepheline, like in the days of Noah. And so
I found it compelling that could it be that. So
when it says that there'll be some the seed of

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the Serpent, you know there'll be a character, a hybrid
of Lucifer himself who will be the final world leader,
that they'll be like this idea of a final empire
comes into being with the leader, and it says that
he makes fire come from the sky and performs lying sign,
and wonders, could it be that he makes a UFO connection,
and then he casts the coming of God and his

(01:11:55):
angels in the clothing of this UFO phenomenon. And as
you know, what, what if Jesus was an alien these
and he was the one that gave you religion to
give you, I'm going to give you something better. I'm
going to solve the environmental problems of the earth, and
I'm going to give you all kinds of knowledge and
the freedom to be what you want, and we're going
to create this, you know race. So the story of

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humanity suddenly transcends into the galactic and the story of
the Bible itself becomes retold in the image of Darwin's thinking,
where the angels who presented themselves as gods to our
ancestors now present themselves as modern day gods or our
savior alien friends to us. And that really is the

(01:12:38):
narrative of the heart of the modern u fol phenomenon.
Early on, we start to see this narrative that our
saviors are here even though we don't know. But the
research shows that it's very clandestine and nefarious, that it's
about abductions, about the creation of hybrids. It's against people's
wills actually, even though there are some that really like it,
but they now call themselves the contactees. But the ones

(01:13:01):
that see it more as an abduction, they're not very
happy with what's happening to them. And so then the
idea crossed my mind that I should tell people about
this if it's true, that they wouldn't be deceived, because
you know, this is essentially the fallen angels taking a
last stand, putting on the throne of the Earth, their
own chosen hybrid. And then this is what the prophecies

(01:13:23):
of the Bible literally talk about. And the story of
David and Goliath becomes then a type a precursor of
the great battle between the final Goliath, the one who's
a hybrid of Satan himself and the son of King David,
who is, of course, you know, Yeshua, or as we
say in Greek, Jesus. And so the angels armies are

(01:13:44):
on their way at the moment in history where these
things take shape on the Earth and the story of
Armageddon and the final battle that transitions humanity like the
birth pangs have begun. But what transitions us from this
age of history into the next age of history, the
Messianic Kingdom, will actually this great battle will unfold in

(01:14:08):
the clothing that we're seeing it now, the clothing of UFOs.
It's like the UFOs are over our heads. Where is
this all headed to? Well, it's headed to the battle
of Armageddon. And now we are the first generation to
be able to see it and appreciate it for the
way it has always been. This has always been the
true nature of the world of angels and God who's

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beyond all of these things, has chosen to interact with
his creation and to enter into the story that is
unfolding in the time space continuum. And so the Biblical
story explain the gods of the ancient world, their hybrid
offsprings provided a timeline for the history of Israel and
Empire that led us to the twenty first century and

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explain the modern day phenomenon and where it could be going.
Neither did the thinking of Wondonikin, nor you know, the
Yunian psychology, or the account of individuals and their theories.
No research that I find out there that could put
all the pieces of the puzzles up, of the puzzle

(01:15:16):
of the UFO's angels and gods together. Only the Biblical
narrative accounted for all the elements that made up reality,
and the archaeology added up the cities were real, the
prophecies worked out. If people were to study them, they
would see they do. And so now I could think
to myself, perhaps this really is the true explanation of
the Ufo phenomenon. It is the war of angels, and

(01:15:40):
we are right now headed to its climax, where you know,
the host of the heavens and the one that commands
them will enter the stage of history, and these guys
and they're chosen officers, will rise. And so the industrial revolution,
the advent of modern technology. Knowledge is given to humanity

(01:16:03):
to prepare it, you know, for the battle of battles,
spoken virtually by all the prophets of the Bible. In fact,
I think there's a collective agreement that the main topic
of the entire Bible is the Second Coming, is the
establishment of the dividic Kingdom on Earth. That is the
chief topic of the Bible. People think of the chief
topic of the Bible as the Gospel. Actually, no, there's

(01:16:26):
more versus, far more versus dedicated to the story of
the transition of this age of Empire into the Messianic
Kingdom than any other thing. The Gospel is just a
ticket into it for those who wish to receive a
new body and be part of the kingdom and be mortaled.

(01:16:47):
But so the story of the Bible can be very
real to me because of the Ufo phenomenon, and the
sighting in Iran was really the impetus that propelled me
to look deeper into it and led to the making
of document that We're in viral and I've been talking
about it ever since, so this is kind of my story.

Speaker 4 (01:17:06):
Absolutely fascinating to our listeners. If you want to take
a watch of Valley's documentary UFO, Angels and Gods, I'll
put the link to YouTube in the show notes below,
and also a link to your website Think Again Productions
dot com. Yes, wonderful, so they can certainly check it out.
Me personally not coming from a religious background, but I

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do find it absolutely fascinating. When a lot of people
look at the Bible, I feel they look at it
as being a parable, you know, as parables, stories and
knowledge to set out and live your life. But when
you look at it together with the UFO phenomena and
the parallels between them both, that the Bible then becomes
a written window into the past.

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
Yes, it's the cosmic tale. It's definitely full of parables
and stories to guide people in their daily lives. But
these parables and stories are apparently the laws of the Kingdom.
This is how this is how God's operating manual functions.
There's also teachings about how one internally connects to God
through one's consciousness and spirit, and that has to do

(01:18:11):
with the removal of sin, which is what bars man's
way to the Inner Temple, and only the blood you
know of Christ can remove that. And then the spirit
awakens a man, a person's consciousness, and that inner communion
occurs with God. But there's also another dimension to the
Biblical narrative, and that is what I call the cosmic tale.

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And the cosmic tale is this magnificently large landscape that encompasses,
you know, the UFOs, the host of the heavens, humanity
in all the nations, and people who are believers and
non believers, and then the good angels and the vantaged angels, everybody,
and it's just this is the story in which we

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find ourselves in. And that is that aspect of the
Bible is what I realized was relevant for deciphering the
mystery of UFOs, and empirical evidence of the Ufo phenomenon
brought those passages to life, and then those passages in
turn decoded what was really going on and who these

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beings were and how they had related to us throughout
history and where we found ourselves in this story and
where we were headed to. So that I thought, well,
this story needs to be told people can decide for
themselves whether it's true or not. But it's a big
discovery and it has to be shared. And then when
I put it up and it just went viral and exploded,
I realized, Okay, I'm not the only person who thinks

(01:19:38):
this is a compelling perspective. Others obviously are also intrigued
by it. So I think it's you know, humans think
about the meaning of life and the origins and what's
going on where we're going. So I hope that people
can watch it and let me know what you think.
You know, don't hesitate to email me, And thank you
Nick for allowing me to just sit back here and

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tell my story. That was very, very fulfilling and kind
of you. Thank you very much. I hope that people
enjoyed it.

Speaker 4 (01:20:11):
Absolutely not a problem. It is true that the Old
Testament Biblical depictions of angels are truly terrifying. You know,
they have their eyes and wings right.

Speaker 1 (01:20:23):
Old Testament depictions of angels. They are terrifying. They are
very glorious beings, and people quiver in their presence and
lose consciousness. And as I said, there's alloys metals always described,
but there are also angels that look like humans. You know,
Abraham is visited by God and two angels and they

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eat with them. Now is this a clothing they put on?
Is do they always look like this? I don't know.
It's beyonnest the narrative, but I see that if humanity
is made in the image of you know, God and angels,
because it's the creation story in a way is told
in the plural first, and then it's told in the singular,

(01:21:04):
like it says, you know, we made man in our image.
And people in the Christian and the European circles think
of this as a trinity, but usually it was always
seen as God and his angels. And so if it's
true that the hunter gatherers were made in the image
of the various you know, angels at the heart of

(01:21:26):
God's you know, ruling council, and then Adam was made
in the image of God himself, then perhaps these beings
do look like us, and we look like them. So
that's another manifestation of angels. They look human. And even
the alien abductions. I have a lot of drawings that
people can say on my website by abductees, and there

(01:21:47):
are there's just one being, you know, he has a
very long forehead and black eyes. Everyone describes him, and
I have drawings of him. Some people call him the
lizardy and the others call him the insectioid. But and
you actually sit down and say, well, describe it to me,
it's always the same guy. And he too has two
legs and two arms and walks around. So this shape

(01:22:10):
that we have, I think also encompasses a fundamental architecture
of how things were shaped as far as conscious beings
are concerned. So that's also another That's why when I
see the alloys, when I see the passages that present
these metallic these beings with metals, I wonder, is that
a suit or is it that there's different types of

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angels and some of these guys were made of metal.
I don't know, And there's a lot of mystery. There's
more mystery than there is answers. So I think we
have to stay open minded and have humility. But definitely,
the angels are real, and the Bible's tale speaks of
real things, or at least it proclaims it pretends to.
So we should look for the evidence outside our window.

(01:22:56):
And when I look at the UFO phenomenon and it
sounds and heels a lot like the story of the
Chariots of the Bible, and it brings brings it to life.

Speaker 4 (01:23:05):
You could look at it as if the fiction of
the Angels. They you know, you talk about alloys and metals,
so you could really say it's the more of a vehicle.

Speaker 1 (01:23:13):
I'm saying it's possible. You're right, you know, he said,
like robots, I'm just trying to find one so people
can understand, you know, what we're talking about. Yes, it
could be. It could be vehicles, like for instance, in
the story of Ezekiel, where he's by the river the
bar which is kind of a tributary of the Euphrates River,

(01:23:35):
and there's a camp there. The Babylonians have taken slaves
of the Jews and they've put on the camps, and
there he sees this thing come, and he says, he
sees a cloud unfolding on itself and has this color
of amber, and suddenly out of the cloud he sees
this metal come. And you know, Steven Spielberg captured Ezekiel's

(01:23:56):
vision in his movie Close Encounters the Third where there's
a boy and he's watching near a farmhouse and you
see this kind of this, this vapor appears, and this
amber color, and so there the angels wants to it
becomes clear what he's seeing. What he's seeing is these

(01:24:16):
beings that have metallic feet that come down into the ground.
He says, as I looked, behold, a stormy wind came
out of the north, and a great cloud with brightness
around it, and fire flashing forth continually. And in the
midst of the fire, as it were, gleaming metal. And
from the midst of it came the likeness of four

(01:24:39):
living creatures. So he first describes these living creatures, and
it says their legs were straight, and the soul of
their feet were like the soul of calf's foot, and
they sparkled like burnished bronze. They have wings, but their
wings are not like bird like wings. In this case,
they're giant wings that they lift up when they move,
and they place by their sides when they stand still,

(01:25:01):
and the wings when they are when they rise, they
make the sound of rushing waters and the sound of
the multitude. And then above their heads, so next to
them is a wheel. Each next to each one of
these living creatures is a wheel within a wheel. So
it's like imagine one wheel, like a like a giant wheel.

(01:25:22):
He says that the rim is so large that it's dreadful.
That's the word he uses. And then within that wheel
another wheel laced into it. So if the wheel wants
to turn forward and go north south, it can. If
it immediately wants to go east west, it can as well.
It's it's two wheels, you know, interlaced together in that way.

(01:25:45):
And the color of the wheels is actually crystal. That's
the term that is used here. The ancient Jewish commentators
say that it's crystal here. It's called burrel in our English.
And so these living creatures, he says that, you know,
they stand each next to these wheels, and above their heads,

(01:26:06):
right on top of their heads is an expanse that
he also describes as crystal. And on this expanse he
sees the throne and one like the son of Men,
and above him the sign of the rainbow, which was
one of the signs of God, because when God made
a covenant with Noah that he would never destroy the
world by water again, the rainbow became the sign of

(01:26:27):
that covenant. So he says, I realized this is God
and he bows down, and he says that the spirit
of these four living creatures that was in the man
who was in the throne, like he would command them,
and they would go in any direction he wanted them
to go. And then the spirit of the wheels that
turned in every direction was in the living creatures. So
the command came from the one that was on the

(01:26:49):
throne to these beings. These beings would then activate the wheels,
and this whole structure would move and carry the one
that sat on the throne. This is, for instance, one
great vision of what is called the mehrkava, which is
the word used later in the Scroll of Isaiah, or

(01:27:10):
the scroll of Isaiah is older than Sequel, but it
says that God will come with his chariots, and the
same word is used, merkava. He will come with his
chariots to render judgment. So the word that is used
for the chariots of the angelshev means vehicle, but by extension,

(01:27:30):
it also means cavalry, because when you look at like
ancient armies, you know, there was the soldiers, but then
there was the charioteers, and that was a cavalry. You know, cavalry.
Eventually became mechanized, speaking of mechanized cavalry. The word in
modern day Hebrew for the tanks. The main tank of
Israel's army is mehrikava. And the word for train, you know,

(01:27:54):
the oldest train that they built in Israel from Jaffa
off the Midtrain coast to Jerusalem. I think it was
at the end of the nineteenth century. They wanted to
use Hebrew. Hebrew was a language was coming back to life.
But they realized they don't have a word for train,
because trains are new things. So they went to look

(01:28:14):
into the Bible to see if they could dig up
a word that you know, could give them the train,
and they settled on this word the chariots, and they
made it plural because each one of these wagons, you know,
were connected to other wagons to create it to train.
So it became rick vat, which is the plural of
rekv a vehicle of chariot, the ones that's used not

(01:28:37):
only for the Pharaoh but also for the angels. So
that word is different from the one that's used for
the vehicle that carries God, that God rides upon. But
the description, you know, is very involves alloys and energy,
like there's so much energy involved in this imagery, it says,

(01:28:59):
each creature two wings to cover their bodies, and each
went straightforward wherever the spirit would go. They went without
turning as they went. As for the likeness of the
living creatures, their appearance was like burning coals of fire,
like the appearance of torches moving to and fro among
the living creatures. And the fire was bright, and out

(01:29:19):
of the fire went forth lightning, and the living creatures
darted to and fro, like the appearance of a flash
of lightning. This is what Ezekiel is seeing twenty five
hundred years ago by the river Labar, And as he's
kind of watching it and describing it in the very
last verse, as the whole thing come becomes clear. Suddenly,

(01:29:40):
out of this cloud that was unfolding within itself like
a storm, he says, and out of it comes this
metal and this amber color. Eventually, once the whole thing settles,
he sees, you know, the presence of God. And that's
when he bows. Such was the appearance of the likeness
of the glory of the Lord. And when when I
saw it, I fell on my face, and I heard

(01:30:03):
the voice of one speaking, and he said unto me,
son of Man, stand on your feet, and I will
speak with you. As he spoke to me, the spirit
entered into me and set me on my feet, and
I heard him speaking to me, and he said to me,
son of Man, I send you to the people of Israel.
Two nations of rebels who have rebelled against me. They

(01:30:25):
and their fathers. And it goes on and not they
are in exile, right they're They're not in Israel, They're
not in the language the land of the Milk and honey.
They're in exile. And this is the story of why
are they in exile? And how can they be redeemed
and returned and all of that. So the story of
humanities is like when you take a piece of clay

(01:30:46):
and you have to carve it, or you have a garden,
you plant the seat and you have to cultivated. Humanity
in this story is being cultivated for its ultimate destiny.
But we are conscious beings. So God at some point
begins to shape us by the words he speaks to us,
by the way he invites us into things, and how
we respond to it. We are shaped by those things

(01:31:07):
for our ultimate destiny. And there are many other passages
that you know will present angels and in ways that
you know. People don't to expect creatures that are covered
with different metals. Their their faces are shiningly lights. That's
one one manifestation. And then then they're humans, like the

(01:31:29):
one that sits on the tomb of Jesus after he
removes it, it saysn't In the New Testament writings, it
says some have entertained angels unawares and be hospitable because
some have entertained angels unawares, so they walk among us.
And I realized that come and go in these in
these ships, and the fallen angels also are here. I

(01:31:50):
think the one that I saw go into the earth
in the deserts of Iran was a base of the
fallen angels. There's bases in the ground. One of the
first and most prolific and important UFO researchers was the
astronomer from Paris, Jacques Valet. He actually had a cameo
role in that movie Close Encounter to their Kind. He

(01:32:10):
went to the Amazon, he writes in one of his books,
because there were so many sightings there. And he went
to the Amazon, and he said, you know that he
took the plane. Then he took a car for about
twelve hours. Then he got into a boat, into a
little ship, into a canoe in the rivers of the Amazon,
and finally he came to this very secluded village that

(01:32:31):
was having a large amount of UFO sightings, and he
talked to them. They showed him where the UFOs were
coming from, and they were coming from under the water.
They were coming out of the water. So again this
idea that they come out from the ground. So the
bad guys are here, you know, in the earth, in

(01:32:54):
the belly of the earth, and the good guys are
on their way. But there are also good guys here,
and so they do look human. They walk among us,
and we see that aspect of angels, you know, they
visit humanity and they look human. And as I said,
there's usually in Christian thinking the ideas that they take
that shape for our purposes. But perhaps that is the

(01:33:16):
shape they've always had, and we are of the world
of God and angels, and that's why we are in
such a crazy, large cosmic, you know.

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Speaker 4 (01:34:09):
Often wondered that how would they have perceived, say that
the NASA space shot of the eighties in say fifteen hundreds.

Speaker 1 (01:34:18):
Right exactly, you know, they would have seen it as magic.
I think it was Arthur Clark who said that is
science that sufficiently advanced will appear as magic, you know,
like the story of Elijah, a prophet in the Book
of Kings going up. It says that Elijah was taken
up by horses of fire and chariots of fire, and

(01:34:39):
then he was taken up in a whirlwind, So horses
of fire and charity of fire or another guy prophet Elijah.
He then is surrounded by these enemies and his students
is very afraid, and he prais to God, and he says,
open his eyes so that he can see the ones
that are with us are more numerous than the enemies.
And then when God opens the eyes of this young man,

(01:35:00):
it says that he sees the chariots of fire, as
opposed to the chariots of the Assyrians that are outside
of the city gates waiting for them. Reveesh, that's the
Hebrew and chariots of fire. When what are these guys
trying to describe? I think that, as you said, they
they were seeing things they couldn't explain. Even today, people
will say, oh, it was like Minto's, or it was

(01:35:22):
like a ping pong table, or a hamburger or a
hotdog or a cigar? Have you seen those cigar shaped
UFOs just here during this lockdown that we just we
just we just came out of lockdown. I was walking
in the street and I saw a friend that I
hadn't seen for a long time, and the well are
you up to? And I said, well, I'm you know,

(01:35:43):
my life has changed. I'm writing a book. And he said,
what are you writing a book about? I said, I'm
writing a book about UFOs? And he said, oh, you know,
I had a sighting. And people tell me that all
the time. The moment I tell them about that. I
researched these things. They immediately people that are just you know,
gym owners. This guy, he organizes concerts. And he said,
I was on a plane flying from Toronto to Paris

(01:36:06):
and I looked out the window and there was this
long cigar shaped object and it had windows and I
could see people in the windows, and I looked at it,
and suddenly he just went and he just went up
and disappeared. And then I said, I turned around to
the stewardess and I said, did you see that? And

(01:36:26):
she just smiled and said, would you like another drink?
Like she was making fun of me. And here he
tells me the story. But that's what people say. It
looked like a cigar. It looked like a basketball, and
so people say, oh, it look like a fiery chariot
of horses of fire and charity, fire and even the
prophecies of the Bible to talk about future wars, I think,
talk about these things, but in a language that was

(01:36:51):
suitable for the times. What did they see thory of
the angels that come to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah? It
says that they, you know, they rained fire from the
sky and brimstone. And people think, oh, well, the only
way these things could have happened. Was if God or
angels use the power of their mind to affect the
natural world. But if these beings are using these things,

(01:37:14):
it's a funny thing. You know. People say, oh, Jesus
was actually God himself, and it's like, Okay, Well, did
he not, you know, sit on the back of a donkey.
Did he not sit on the boats of fishermen and
preach his sermons? Well, what if he's also in the heavens,
you know, includes the universe in the midst of his
angels with and their chariots and their vehicles. Well, and

(01:37:39):
he may return with them with a multitude of these beings,
so they could also harness things like laser. I mean,
look all the things we do, we like split the atom,
and we decipher human DNA, and we if this is
really the three levels of the heavens, the sky, the universe,
and the throne room of God, then we have already

(01:37:59):
gone on into the first heavens with the aeroplane, in
the second heavens with these rockets. So how is it
that we can do all of these things? Why is
it that we can discover these great and deep mysteries?
Einstein said, The most incomprehensible thing about the universe is
that we can comprehend it. How is it that we

(01:38:20):
can comprehend it? Well, if we are in fact the
children of God and angels, then we would do the
things that they do. The idea that the world of
angels also is a world that understands how to? I mean,
what is technology? I think that for me, the a
tree is a technology. It creates oxygen. The donkey is
a technology. The boat, the fishermen's boat is Obviously, technology

(01:38:43):
is nothing more than the organizing of God's creation according
to a pattern of knowledge. And the deeper that knowledge,
the greater what you can do with it. So, yes,
we organize, We reorganize the structure of reality as our
knowledge increases. Of all the things you can do with it. Well,
So these guys who are older than us and have

(01:39:05):
been here longer, and who have a mined for it,
they have been doing this as well, and God has
allowed it. He's taught it. So when he says to
these angels, go and destroy sodomy Gomura, I think that
they used what we would call technology. You know, we
use swords, and we use spears and plowshares, and these
guys use things as well, and now we use of

(01:39:27):
course nuclear bombs and lasers. So I think the world
of God and angels is we are an extension of it.
So there are overlaps. We have vehicles because they have vehicles,
We create, you know, genetic science, because they understand genes.
That's what we see about the story of the creation
of these ancient giants, and so the things we do.

(01:39:52):
The way that the European Church inherited from the Roman
world a concept of the world of God angels and
passed it down to those the Puritans and the ones
that came here to build the original settlements, this has
remained in the consciousness of the Church to this day,

(01:40:14):
this ancient way of seeing things that, as you said,
you know, they didn't have this understanding of you know,
what is this that's come to take the children of
Israel out of Egypt? Why is it described as a pillar?
And what is this light that the magi follow that
appears and then disappears, and then appears and then stops

(01:40:35):
and stands still on top of a location? Is it
a star where they using the charts of astronomy, which
I'm not saying it is not possible. They very well
could have been. But what if they actually followed an
angel and this angel is a bright light in the sky,
not because the stars are angels, but because these these
vehicles are bright, shining lights. And so people didn't in

(01:40:56):
the Church didn't understand it in this light because they
had inherited a traditional way of understanding these stories. And
then the ancient astronaut theorists they came and they put
a slant on it, and they said, oh, well, it's
just aliens, like ancient astronauts. There's a whole show on
History Channel. Well what if, No, no, this is not

(01:41:16):
ancient astronauts. The characters of the Bible are the characters
that the Bible assigns, you know, meaning to them. They
are really these characters are the angels God and all that.
By the way, the word angels is really not a
complete term, because in Christian tradition we just call these
beings angels angelus, which means messengers, like they bring messages.

(01:41:37):
But in the Bible they're actually called the sons of
God Bene Elohim, and so are we. And they then
adopt a role in history where they present themselves as
the gods of the nations, like in the story of
the pastor Over, God says, I've come tonight and I'm
going to you know, judge the gods of Egypt, Elohim

(01:41:59):
ham It's And so this idea of these beings being
behind the nations and then giving knowledge to the nations,
the giving the scepter of rulership to kings, of creating
temples and religions, and initiating humanity. I mean, when I
look at where did human knowledge come from? From this

(01:42:20):
thinking that I've discovered, there are four sources of knowledge,
and only four. The one source is God. God spoke
knowledge into the human world, and these ideas that God
spoke are incredibly influential in our world. Then there is
the knowledge that the fallen angels spoke into the world,
which is the text of the Polytheistic religions, and that

(01:42:43):
knowledge was all the ancient world knew until this montheistic
faith who came into it. And then the third source
of knowledge is man himself. Man is a thinking being.
Man reasons and thinks and creates novel ideas. And then
the fourth body of knowledge that exists is the braiding

(01:43:03):
together of these three sources of knowledge and the knowledge
that has come from God, the knowledge that has come
from the fallen angels, the gods of the ancient world,
and from Man himself. These three bodies of knowledge then
braid together to create a fourth body of knowledge, which
is the one that is the most common in the

(01:43:23):
metropolis of the modern world, where we are born in
a rich history of a mishmash of these ideas. And
then we kind of, with our emotions and our life experiences,
essentially gravitate and adapt a few and that becomes our thinking.
So these beings, yes, they are called angels in the

(01:43:44):
Old Testament malak, which means you know, someone who walks
over and delivers a message to you, the malachim and
the plural, and in the New Testament angelus. But that
really kind of narrows the scope of how these beings,
the relationship that these beings have with us. They're not
just about messengers. They were the houses of rulership, bodies

(01:44:05):
of knowledge, entire bodies of knowledge, sciences, technologies, architecture, mathematics, religion,
so much has passed down to the human world, and
of course their presence among us, their sons who became
kings over the nations, of Man. I mean, Goliath has
one famous character throughout there. But look at Gilgamesh, who

(01:44:28):
was the king of Uruk, and the line of Heracles,
out of which came so many of the kings of Greece.
The sons of these various beings who have different shapes,
different names. You know, they're the same guy, but they
take different names in different civilizations. But the sons of Zeus,
they're highly influential. Like Western civilization goes back to the

(01:44:49):
island of Crete. Archaeologists say that the oldest remnants of
what is considered Western civilization began in Crete, and Creede's
history goes ba back to King Minos, so Zeus, you know,
who brings Europa to this island and has a hybrid

(01:45:10):
offspring with her, and that is Minos, the first king
of Greece. And so these guys are part of the
story of humanity in many many ways. The relationship that
we've had with them and the knowledge we have received
from God and these angels has been the engine of history.
And of course our reaction to all this information and
how we have then with our free will, defined it

(01:45:33):
on the stage of history. And it's this rich story
that leads us to the modern day UFO phenomenon. And
I think it's in the context of this history that
the phenomenon should be understood instead of us assigning meaning
to it just out of the blue.

Speaker 4 (01:45:48):
A lot of stuff you covered, because I was saying
about all the parallels between Norse mythology and Egyptians, the
biblical stories, you know, the epic of Gilgamesh and Nowher
and flood story and all that. So there's all these
connections where you're right, it is the same characters, but
in all different parts of the world and all different religions.

Speaker 1 (01:46:07):
Yes, And so the idea is that the if the
Bible is the actual words of the God of Gods,
then it gives us the definite perspective, the definitive perspective
of how we are to understand these things. So the
fallen angels they set up shop among the nations, they created,
they had children, They passed knowledge down and religion. You know,

(01:46:29):
they corrupted humanity's thinking and perverted it. They also taught technology.
They made themselves the objects of worship, and that's the
origins of vital worship. And they also selected the houses
of rulership. And this is how the empires formed and
and then you know, comes the story of God out

(01:46:50):
of Israel, and so that becomes, you know, the God
provides a definite perspective as to what's really going on
and who these beings are and how they fit in
the history.

Speaker 4 (01:47:01):
Whenever you hear about fallen angels, people naturally jump to
Lucifer and Satan and you know, obviously go down that road.
But in fact, Lucifer was the light bearer, the bringer
of light and shut you know, knowledge surely, right.

Speaker 1 (01:47:15):
So that's the perspective that some secret societies that worship him,
like the Masons, they give that perspective that he was
the light bearer, that he brought knowledge, and that the
Hebrew God was the evil one. That's what Nimrod's claim
was this avenger of forefathers who were killed in this
flood and the beings they worshiped, and let's gather together

(01:47:36):
against God. And that becomes the perspective that competes with
the you know, the propagation of Christianity, which tries to
push to the supremacy of the Hebrew God. But these
other organizations, but the Masons are probably the most famous
one in the West. They say no Satan was in
fact the one that came to give knowledge to humanity.
I mean, he gave the tree of knowledge and said here,

(01:47:58):
eat from it. But God, and so that is the
bad one who wants to stop us. And this is
kind of I think the thing. It leads to the
battle at the end of the age, where again the
same argument is made. I am here to give you
all kinds of stuff, and this guy wants to prevent it.
I don't think God's intention was ever to hold anything
back from us knowledge of any kind. It was more
about timing. There was a time and a process that

(01:48:21):
made us ready for that knowledge. Satan was more like,
had his own agenda as to why he was, you know,
fast forwarding us into the initiation into this knowledge. So
I don't think God is over here to hold us back.
And he is one angel among many, but he's definitely

(01:48:41):
the one that is cast as as the leader of
this rebellion. And it says that one third of the
angels have been dragged down by his tail. So you know,
he's described as a dragon, and people who do like
psychedelics and stuff they say that they see dragons. So
perhaps I don't know, maybe he is one, or maybe
it's just the symbol of a mighty being, but he

(01:49:05):
casts one third of these beings down with him, and
then you know, some of them are active before the
flood and they create the hybrids and they're arrested. Others
are active after flood. They receive rulership over the nations,
and they're here still with us, and they're the UFOs
that come and go and Satan himself he's still very
much the prince of this world he's called. So yeah,

(01:49:28):
I mean's he's a character and a cast of characters,
but doesn't mean that he's a good guy because he
gives us knowledge though, But I guess it's all comes
down to the perspective from you know that you choose.
I think the relationship with God is something that people
personally have to look for and make their peace with

(01:49:50):
with God. And God is the one that leads us
into the understanding of scripture and all the mysteries, you know.
But we have to disassociate ourselves from Christian tradition in
a way and reconnect to the source, and then we
can see Christian tradition in the light of the source.

Speaker 4 (01:50:07):
That is wonderful, all absolutely fascinating, Ali wonderful. Thank you
to our lists. If you'd like to check out Ali's documentary,
it's called UFOs, Angels and Gods. I will put a
link down below in the show notes and check it out. Also,
you have a website as well, Ali.

Speaker 1 (01:50:24):
Yes, Think Again Productions dot com. Think Again Productions dot com.
People can see the documentary there. You can always leave
a donation if you're moved to my YouTube pagees many
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But sign up for the newsletter on the website. Scroll
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and I'm writing a book, so keep an eye out

(01:50:46):
for that. It'll kind of bring all of these things
together that we've been talking about. Thank you very much.
It's a pleasure speaking with you, Nick. I've I learned
just even talking to you in the way you listen,
the way you engage is so wonderful and I see
why you know your podcasts are so popular. You really are,

(01:51:07):
you know, gifted for this and I learned how to
listen better just by interacting with you. Thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:51:13):
You more than welcome. Ali. I really appreciate you coming
on sharing that for our listeners.

Speaker 1 (01:51:18):
Thank you very much. I have a great evening.

Speaker 4 (01:51:20):
Bye bye, by bye. You take care of yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:51:22):
Ali.

Speaker 4 (01:51:23):
That is all for this week. Keep updated and connected
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(01:51:43):
big thank you to Ali for sharing tonight, and thank
you all for listening. I will be back next week.
Till then, stay safe and keep watching US Skies. Goodbye,

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