Ep.165 Niterói UFO's / A Friends Last Goodbye (Throwback)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You'll be away five seventeen.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Do you want to report a UFO hanging in?

Speaker 3 (00:05):
We don't want.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
To report every thirty one.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Do you wish to report a.

Speaker 4 (00:09):
UFO over hey, we want to one.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Of those areas thirty one.

Speaker 4 (00:15):
Do you wish to find a report of any kind
of it?

Speaker 3 (00:18):
I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds.

Speaker 4 (00:20):
Time areas thirty one me neither there were self. If
it was anybody a U above us to pass us,
Like thirty seconds ago, we were sending one top of
golf negative, okay, OFFI the UFO.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Yeah it's murder two nine o'clock. Yes, I'll just passed over,
I go.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
I don't know what it was, but it's from at
least to three thousand feet above us.

Speaker 4 (00:47):
See, I passed right over.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
The top of us.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Ninety one one.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
You just called both to be be four.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
They're after staying airplanes.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
He to god, calm in on an unidentified object every
Liberty four call or calm on an unidentified flying object.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
All Welcome to UFO Chronicles, a place where people share
their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had
an encounter, I would like to be on the show.
You can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com.

(01:48):
Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. Wherever in the
world you are listening from. How are you all doing?
I'm Nick Hunter and you're listening to the UFO Chronicles podcast.
Our first guest to say is Steve Hackett from the
UK and former guitarist of the British band Genesis, and
Steve has been kind enough to come on between tours

(02:09):
to share his UFO experience. While standing on e Taipoo
Beach in Kneuroi, Brazil, he witnessed, with several others a
strange configuration of red lights ascending into the sky. The
UFO case was also reported in the local newspaper, as
many others had reported seeing the objects along the edges
of Nieuroi. Then we head to Virginia in the United

(02:32):
States to speak with Katherine about her experiences, starting with
one from her college days when she received a late
night visit from a very recently past friend that left
her terrified. Then the following night, Catherine's friend came to
her in a dream. But before we hear from our guests,
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on with the show. Hello Steve, and a very warm

(03:48):
welcome to the show.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Hi there, nice to talk to you, Nick. It's great.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
It's great to have you with us. And you're calling
from the UK today.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
That's right, Yes, from the UK, from sunny Teddington in
the UK's actually it isn't sunny anymore. It's now sort
of pretty dark here.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
Yeah, I'm just on the other side of the country.
I'm just in Gloucestershire. Ah, yeah, okay, it's the same here. Okay, now, Steve,
your experience occurred in nineteen eighty four on a beach
in Rio di Jeniro, Brazil. Would you like to start
by letting listeners know a little bit about yourself and
what your experience, please, sir?

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah, sure, Now let me see my name Steve Hackett.
I played guitar with Genesis from the years nineteen seventy
one to seventy seven, and then I did a whole
bunch of solo things, which I'm still doing as well
as playing Genesis, stuff like keeping the Flame Alive for that. Now,
I think the experience you're referring to is seeing a UFO. Yeah, well,

(04:48):
I was with a bunch of people. Actually it was
Nita Roy on the other side of the water, on
the other side of the water, the town facing Rio,
on the other side of that really really long bridge.
It was nighttime and a bunch of people were all
facing the water and we were outside of a fishing

(05:09):
village and there was a configuration of lights and I said, oh,
is there a radio mast out there, because these lights
went up in sequence, and they said no, that there's
nothing out there, and yet everyone saw it. There may
have been maybe ten people who saw it at the
same time. So yes, that is an experience that we had,
and of course to say in an unidentified flying object

(05:32):
doesn't mean to say that we saw et and communication
and all of that. But no one really knows what
that was. To this day, no one actually knows what
it was. It was. It was two lights which were
in parallel, which were going up boom boom boom, boom
boom up and then disappeared. So unidentified flying craft, I mean,
the mind bottles. You know. People often say, well, yeah,

(05:55):
that's the US doing military experiments, and there's always the
chance of that, but there's was a chance it's something
extraterrestrial as well, depending on your mindset. Of course, I'm
not going to posit any theory about this. I'm just
saying this is something I saw which later, many years later,
became remarkable. In one of the papers in Nita Oi.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
How big would you say these objects that were lifting
out of the water were Steve.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Well, it's difficult to tell because when you were at
a distance, you don't know how large the thing is.
You know, you're peering into the blackness, so you're peering
into into something where there's there's nothing on the other side,
so you've got no way of quantifying how large that is.
It was very difficult to be able to be able
to say. I mean, it could have been half a

(06:44):
mile away, it could have been much much closer, so
we don't really know. All I can say was it
was absolutely silent, which was very strange because it looked
like maybe they could have been a siren that a
company or something. But it was absolutely silent.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
And there was several others that also witnessed that day.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah, I mean I could have been with between ten
and fifteen people, but there were a whole bunch of
us who saw it, and I said, oh, you know,
what was that? I said, you know, is there a
radio station out there or something? And they said, no,
there's nothing out there, so we don't know. It certainly
was taller than a ship, so you know, we'll never know.

(07:27):
There were no other lights available, so it was potentially
something on a massive scale.

Speaker 4 (07:33):
And when they were rising up, did you lose sight
as they rose to the sky? Did you completely lose sight?
Was there any like that?

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yeah? Well it was to my mind, it was sharply defined.
In other words, it may have gone one, two, three, four, five,
and then nothing boom boom boom, boom boomb, nothing and
it all seemed to move at the same speed. It's
not as if it got quicker as it went on,
so we don't really know.

Speaker 4 (07:58):
What That was very interesting. I mean, Brazil in itself
has always been a kind of hotbed for these these sightings,
right from the forties even up until present day.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
That's interesting, isn't it. Yes, that is interesting. Yeah, quite right.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (08:12):
I spoke to something a while ago and they were
saying how frequent people see him. He was saying that
if you ask someone, they will say, yeah, I've seen
a UFO or you know, or I've seen the darves
in two, So it's very very common in Brazil.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Yes, well, I don't know why that would be. It's
just something that I'm completely open about, to be honest,
But I have very little information, so I wouldn't posit
to say, yeah, this is definitely something alien identified flying
craft or an identity fly flying object describes it. The

(08:49):
rest is in the realm of conjecture.

Speaker 4 (08:51):
Of course, and on this show, and we never really
jumped conclusions. I mean, this show is just purely about
people's experiences. But yeah, that's interesting it And was this
your only UFO experience you've had, Steve.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yes, absolutely, that was the only time I've ever seen
anything like that. I've never seen anything like that before,
but I have actually seen a ghost as well, and
I was stone cold sober at the time. But there
we go. That's rather different, of course, But I'm not
making it up. What happened, Steve, Yeah, well that was
rather strange.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
I was.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
I was with some friends from another bank called mostly
Alter them and we were sitting in their kitchen and
we'd been at two haunted pubs, one of which guy
Fawkes was born in. And the interesting thing about that
is I saw a figure that moved very quickly outside

(09:45):
of their house and I said, oh, do neighbors, you know,
go go out there. I mean, it was something very strange.
It was a tall figure and it had some kind
of cap on that it was moving very quickly. It
wasn't moving at the speed of someone walking, and it
wasn't going at the speed of someone running, because if
you run then you bob up and down. But this
was absolutely smooth. So they didn't see it. I was there.

(10:10):
I was the only one who actually saw it. But
I couldn't tell you exactly what that was. But then
you know that's a unique personal experience. But I am
open to the idea of materializations and many other things,
and I don't believe that when you die, you die.

(10:32):
I've had too much evidence to support the country. And
the more you talk to people, the more you realize
that out of body experiences are extremely common. My wife's
mother had an out of body experience when she was
a child and she was being operated on, and at
that time she was having her tonsils removed, and she's

(10:55):
they removed one and she started to hemorrhage, and she
said she was able to look down her body from above,
and very very interesting. I've read so many books on
this subject, and so much of it often contains verifiable
evidence of things that happened when people were apparently flatlined.
They couldn't possibly have They couldn't possibly have had that

(11:18):
knowledge unless there was a difference between a local consciousness
and universal consciousness. So consciousness seems to reside outside the body,
and it's an extraordinarily interesting subject. Often I've talked to
people who've had out of body experiences, often a result

(11:39):
of life being threatened, And one guy that I met
said he'd had a motorcycle crash and he'd slid under
a truck that he wasn't able to avoid. But he
said he saw it all from a bird's eye view,
locking down on his body, that he was outside looking

(11:59):
in on them. And another guy that I trust greatly
on that subject was reading Keith Richard's book. I mean,
I've met a couple of rolling stones over the years.
I've never met Keith. But one thing I think that
whatever you think of Keith, he is absolutely honest. You know,
he can't be bothered with any bull You just know that.

(12:21):
And he said he'd been trying to have an out
of body experience for years, but he had a crash
and his car rolled over on a grass verge I believe.
And he said, again, you know he was outside of
his body looking down on this, so he's aware of it. Also,
the author C. S. Lewis described an out of body

(12:44):
experience when he was blown up by a shell in
the First World War. Nobody was using the term oobs.
No one was saying out of body experiences. He was
describing it as if it was the first time anyone
had had anything like this. But he was fully conscious
even though he was he was out, so it's a

(13:06):
hugely interesting subject.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
My mother when she gave birth to me, I was obviously,
I think I was a bit of a difficult baby.
After the birth, she didn't had to go back into
hospital and have surgery, and at one point they had
lost her and they were trying to bring her back,
so there was panic. There was panic in the surgery room,
and my mother would say that she was above her
body and there was like a cabinet and she could

(13:31):
see everything that was on top of the cabinet, so
she was obviously, you know, she was above herself. And
at one point one of the surgeons were panicking and
everyone was quite rushed, and one of the nervoses dropped
a tray of all the surgical instruments, which he then
rated her for obviously during during that time and was
saying that she doesn't remember anything else out of that,

(13:53):
but they had brought her back and she woke up
in a hospital bed, yes, and when she came to
the doctor. The surgeon came in to see her, asking
how she was and explain the situation what happened, and
she turned to him and said, you shouldn't have told
off that nurse, and he said, how did you know that?
You weren't with us? So, yes, it's it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Well, yeah, but the question should have been, it's the
it's the wrong question. How could you have known that?
How could she possibly answer that? Because this is such
as it is a common phenomenon, and surgeons do study
this this stuff. But there's no point anyone saying how
could you How could you have known that? Because science

(14:38):
should be looking for answers rather than perhaps pointing the
finger accusingly at someone. In other words, you were sharing,
you were awake at the time. Obviously she wasn't. So
very interesting stuff, isn't it. Yeah, there was a case
that another one because I've read masses of these. It
was a doctor and I can't remember whether his patient

(15:00):
was the male or female, but the patient flat lined
and so there wasn't any point doing any any surgery
at that point. And there was there was a sandwich
that was brought in for the for the for the
person who was going to have the procedure, and he
or she hadn't had time to have it, and the
surgeon ate it, and of course when the patient woke up,

(15:27):
he or she said, you were at my sandwich it's
a similar It's a similar thing, isn't it. I've got
another story is that there's a guy who this guy
Attila Harzi, who's Hungarian, who amongst other things, runs about
called Jabe and I play with them usually once a
year we do something together, largely improvised stuff. And his

(15:50):
father was an artist. And at one point his father
was in Holland and he'd had a heart attack, and
while he was dead, clinically dead, he could hear the
surgeons talking and although he didn't speak any Dutch, he
could understand perfectly what they were saying. And he also

(16:15):
said that when he was resuscitated, when he woke up,
he said to one of the surgeons, and you stopped
outside the operating theater and you tied up your shoelace.
And so apparently all of the surgeons became hugely interested
in what this guy had to say, and he started

(16:37):
doing very different paintings of a much more spiritual nature
after he'd had this experience. So he survived it and
moved back to Hungary, and his son, of course, became
very very musical and a successful businessman. But it's interesting
that this stuff is really off the Wrecktor scale, isn't

(16:58):
it really. We don't know how to quantify this stuff.
We don't know how it works. But it seems as
if we think of consciousness as residing in the body,
the idea of local consciousness, but actually there can be
something which hasn't got a name. But you have to say,
there's a universal consciousness which we can experience. There's another

(17:23):
guy that's another interesting one. I met a cab driver.
I got in the center point in the middle of London.
I got into this cab and I said, will you
take me as far as Richmond, where I was living
at the time, And he said, yeah, I'll make it
my last trip of the day, Friday night, last thing,
last of the week. And I had an album under
my arm. And I said to this guy, yeah, thank

(17:44):
you for taking me to Richmond, he said, He said,
it's funny you've got a record day. He said, my
son brings me records and I'm able to tell him
what position they're going to occupy in the charts the
following week. And I thought, oh, oh, you know this
guy's making this. You know he's a right one. And
and I said, oh, well, I've made this record myself.

(18:05):
Can you tell me how it's going to do. And
he said, I don't think you're going to have the
level of success that you want with that particular album, sir,
But I'll tell you what happened to me and why
I think I've got this facility. He said, I was
in a I was in some kind of car crash,
and I was in a coma. Now I don't know
for how long he was in this coma, but he

(18:26):
said that when he regained consciousness, he met his father
on presumably what we call the other side, and he
came back with the ability to be able to see
into the future. And he told me about a whole
bunch of things that were going to happen to me,
all of which were true, and names of people, all

(18:47):
of which were true. And he couldn't have known who
I was. I was just a guy off the street.
I didn't enjoy any level particularly of fame at that time.
He couldn't have known who I was. And yet he
was able to name both of my two wives. I've
been married before, and I was on wife number two

(19:08):
at the time, And he said, have you got any
connections with Germany? And I said, yeah, I'm going to
Germany tomorrow, I'm going to go for a promotional visit.
Then he said there's going to be a death in
the family, not someone you expect. And when I returned
on the Monday, my grandfather had died. Now my grandfather

(19:30):
had seen the healthiest individual. You know, he was able
to sit down and drink a whole bottle of port
without flinching, I mean strawberry stuff. So it does beg
the question of what is the future? What is consciousness?
And again we're talking about you know, what are UFOs?

(19:51):
What are they? Where do they come from?

Speaker 4 (19:54):
I mean, if he's able to pull out things in
the future, you know, that would suggest it's it's all predetermined.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Wouldn't it would It would suggest that things are predetermined.
And what an extraordinary thing that is. I mean, I
know that I've had the occasional premonition myself, and my
wife tends to get them much more regularly than I do.
But we've both had a glimpse into the future in
different ways. And there is no logical explanation. We do

(20:27):
not have a science for this. You may say that
not everything is known by science, but the idea that
time is flexible may maybe may have some bearing on
all the questions that are thrown up by this. I mean,

(20:49):
there were there were people that I've spoken to said
that UFOs were actually of this earth, but perhaps from
a different time zone. And of course, hey, call me
an old hippie. I don't know. I think anything's possible. Frankly,
if the future already exists. If that is the case,
then that has to poo poop pretty much everything that

(21:11):
science is based on, all of the current theories are
not sufficiently broad in scope to be able to be
able to deal with this.

Speaker 4 (21:23):
I mean, that's the thing with science. It's forever, forever evolving,
forever learning, forever changing as well.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Right, yeah, I mean, and it seems to me that
science and spirituality are really the quest for the same thing.
If religion and spirituality are the same thing, if it's
the quest for truth, then there are merely different rituals
that are being applied by science and by those who

(21:53):
are believers in should we say, life before and after death.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
It's also really reassuring to know that, you know, when
we're finished with the adventures of our life, now that
you know there's going to be something else after well,
I realized.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
It's a reassurance. And there are many people who say
when you're dead, you're dead, But empiric experience has to
be the only thing. So you have to have had
the experience yourself to know, or else you're talking complete,
complete nonsense. I tell you, it's a very interesting guy

(22:29):
who I'd read several books by it and met him
very briefly. It was it was the comedian Michael Benteen,
whose father was an aeronautics expert and they were also
involved in psychic phenomena and mediumship and all sorts of stuff.
And he, Michael Bentein, wrote a very interesting book called

(22:54):
The Door Marked Summer, and it had all sorts of
extraordinary stuff on it, including his ability. At one point
when he was part of ground crew during the war,
when various pilots were taking off, he knew which ones
weren't going to come back from their bombing missions because
he would see their faces turned to a skull. And

(23:17):
I know this sounds like something out of the omen,
but it was absolutely true, and so much so that
after the war, when his own son was going to
go up in a glider, he saw his son's face
turned to a skull and begged him not to go up.
He said, please, don't do this. I've seen what happened

(23:37):
if you do. And he said, all right, you know,
son agreed not to. But then a friend told him
it was rubbish, told him into doing it, and sure
enough they both died. So there are more things in
between heaven and earth, isn't it, Shakespeare says, than a

(23:57):
dread of in your philosophy, Horatio believe that's the quote.

Speaker 4 (24:01):
That's right. It's all fascinating now, yes it is. Yeah,
that's wonderful, Steve great. I'd like to thank you for
coming on to I know how busy you are, and
you're also in between tours as well. When do you
re begin.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
A couple of weeks time. We'll be touring Europe first
of all, then we're in the States, and then we're
supposed to be doing Japan, Australia and New Zealand. It's
basically a world tour. If everything comes off, it'll keep
me busy for about six months, so I shall be
in service for a while. But I do rather love it,
so it's important for me to be able to do it.

(24:37):
It's something I yes, I do it for myself, but
I also do it for other people. It's it's good
medicine for people. It re enerogizes, it heals. I think
that's the subtext of music.

Speaker 4 (24:50):
It's not every day that we get to have rock
and roll royalty on the show.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Well, I'm glad you've enjoyed talking. I certainly have, and
I just make a not it's for a living. I
don't think of myself as any kind of royalty at all.

Speaker 4 (25:03):
But well, you, sir, you're in. I believe you're in
the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
So you know, come on, Yeah, I seem to have
ended up there. Despite my best efforts to avoid avoid
that and my best efforts to avoid doing things which
overtly commercial, it seems I've ended up. I've ended up
there along with the other guys in Genesis. So interesting

(25:28):
that America supports that, and it's I think it's a
very good institution, whereas I think in the UK we're
a little bit slow to celebrate our own and but
on another level, you know, it's English audiences are wonderful
and they've been hugely supportive. It's when it comes down
to perhaps, you know, celebrating our own it's America that

(25:50):
has the radio station that plays nothing but Beatle records,
and I think, you know, we're we're a little bit
slow to realize what we've got that's that's homegrown. So
the Americans seem to be better organized than us. They
turned our inventions into industry, it seems. Working person witness
Henry Ford, wonderful.

Speaker 4 (26:12):
Well, good luck with the tour. Is there still is
the still tickets available?

Speaker 2 (26:16):
There are their tickets available for the for the tours.
Some things have solved out and there are other things
that haven't. You know, but this it's going to be
a long time that I'll be on the road, so
we expect it to go this way.

Speaker 4 (26:28):
And and what's the name of your website?

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Okay, well it's Hackettsongs dot com.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
Hackettsongs dot com. Wonderful. I'll put a link down below.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yeah, Hackett Songs all one word there.

Speaker 4 (26:40):
Wonderful And if anyone wants to go along and check
out Steve great, Steve, I really appreciate you coming on
sharing that for our listeners.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Thank you so much. It's been lovely talking to your.

Speaker 4 (26:49):
Neck best to look. Thank you for taking time out. Steve,
all the best you take care of yourself. All right,
you too, Thank you, Steve, Bye bye.

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Speaker 4 (28:20):
Hello, Catherine, welcome to the podcast.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
Thank you so much. I love your podcast. Thank you
for having me.

Speaker 4 (28:28):
You're more than welcome. That's always good to hear. And
you're call in from Virginia.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
I am right outside Richmond, right side Richmond.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
Wonderful. Okay, Catherine, you have some paranormal experiences to share
with our listeners. Would you like to stand at the
very beginning? Please?

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Yeah. So, when I was in college in two thousand
and seven, it was in August evening and I had
gone to bed. I don't drink, so I'm not a partier.
It's not like I was a college girl who came
in late one night and my experience was from doing
some extracurricular activities. I got in bed and I turned

(29:07):
onto my left side, and I felt someone get into
the bed with me and give me a hug, spoon me.
And when I turned around, there was no one in
the bed. At first, I thought it was my sister
who had come in, or maybe my boyfriend. But naturally,
I was just terrified, and I curled up into the

(29:31):
corner of my bed, because what do you do. You
can't call the police department in that kind of situation.
You're just scared. You're just terrified. And it happened, I'll say,
for the point of this podcast, at like ten pm.
I don't remember the exact time. It was around like
ten pm. And the next morning when I woke up,

(29:54):
my mother had driven to my house to let me
know that a best friend of mine had passed away
the night before that night, around the same time that
I had that feeling in the bed, and so I
was I knew exactly right when my mom had said

(30:15):
she passed. It was like a knowing. I was like,
that's what that was. That's what that feeling was. I
just knew. And then that night, after my mom had
told me I had a crazy experience. I might vet
again and I tell people it was a dream, but

(30:38):
it was so different than any dream I've ever had.
I saw her and we were on this beach, but
it was so different. The water was like diamonds, and
I could feel the warmth of the sun on my skin,

(30:59):
and I felt I didn't feel asleep. I felt awake,
which is why I tried to explain people and I
tell about this experience, I can say it's a dream,
but it did not feel like a dream. I was
experiencing it and we didn't talk at all, but it
felt like we were on this beach forever. There was

(31:19):
like no time, and we were in the water and
swimming and it was just this feeling of peace. And
then at the end of it, all of a sudden,
I just remember all of her face and she was crying,

(31:39):
but she was talking to me, not through moving her mouth.
It was like telepathically talking to me, and she was
just showing me expressions through her face and she was saying,
you need to tell everybody that this is where I am,
and that I'm okay, and I'm trying to take on

(32:01):
everyone's pain, and it seems me to see you all
in pain, so you need to go and tell everyone
I'm okay. And I woke up from that totally change. Next.
I woke up, first of all, hysterical crying because I
had never experienced anything like that before in my life,

(32:23):
and I just it was like this sense of knowing
that there's something more to life than what we know.
I didn't grow up super spiritual or anything. We were
the type of family that you know, went to church
on Christmas in Easter and that was about it. And
it was like, after that experience, it was like, oh,

(32:46):
everything is so much bigger than I thought. And it
was like this huge epiphany that there's something that happens
after we're here, and you know, I don't know what
it is, but I know that I touched it. I
touched upon it in some way, and it was just
the wildest feeling experience, emotion, the emotion part of it,

(33:12):
the feelings I had in all of it. It was incredible.
I had no sadness after her death because I had
this profound experience that let me know everything's okay. And yeah,
it was just a crazy experience.

Speaker 4 (33:31):
I mean, you know, friends and loved ones I do
did come to us in dreams, and I think it's
an easier way for them.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
Yeah, I agree, I do agree, and I've talked to
other people about it because, like I said, it just
felt so real. I was like, I don't know what
this is. But since then it's been like a mission
of mine to try to figure out what the tech
was that because it was just so real. And I
think there is something to that, something about the dreams

(34:00):
and being able to communicate, and also.

Speaker 4 (34:02):
The setting actually on the beach as well. I mean,
in my view of the beaches is paradise.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (34:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
The craziest part of that nick was the sun. I
tell my husband whenever we talked about it, like I
felt the sun. I could feel it. It was so
warm on my skin. And another thing too, in the water.
It like the water didn't have the temperature. It kind
of just fell like nothing and smooth it it was.

(34:34):
It was such a crazy experience. It was like the
perfect temperature. Everything was perfect. There's like not worth in
our language to describe a lot of it, the color,
all of it.

Speaker 4 (34:46):
You felt the warmth from the sun.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
Yeah. Yeah, that was the wildest part because I can
still remember how it felt today. That and the way
the water looked like diamonds, Like when you would pick
up the water, it didn't look like what it looked
like here. It was so sparkly and it lived through
your fingers. There's no way for me to even really

(35:11):
try to describe it with our words, but it was
it was beautiful.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
You were very close to your friend, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
We we were really close growing up, and then we
had gone to college, so I hadn't actually really spoken
to her that much, you know, around that time, but
we we spent a lot of time together when young.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
It's really common, actually, you know, I hear a lot
about these dreams where where it's a loved one or
a friend as well, which has passed over and then
came back and visited, you know, in the dream. And
something one I had the other day was the woman
didn't even know her friend had passed away until she
had this dream, and then she looked into her and

(35:55):
sure enough it had passed away.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
Yeah, I did. Didn't know that she had passed away.
I had this suspense. I mean, when I was laying
in the bed, the bed creaked, it creaked. I thought
my sister, because my sister lived with me at the time,
and I thought she had come in and gotten in
bed with me. It was I had no doubt in
my mind, you know, Oh, my sister's come in and
tell me about her night. She would do that. But

(36:19):
when I turned around and there was no one there,
I was terrified. I just curled up into the back
of my bed, pulled all my blankets over me, and
just didn't know what to do. I did not know
what to do. And then the next morning, when my
mom told me that I just knew what had happened.

Speaker 4 (36:38):
Then it kind of all made sense.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Yeah mm hm. And then I've had two other things
that have been kind of weird happened. Can I tell
you about them?

Speaker 4 (36:48):
Yeah, be my guest.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Okay, So my mother, she passed away in twenty thirteen
from colon cancer. And she had a twin brother who
coincidentally pad around the same time, but for something totally different,
and his name was Stephen. And fast forward a few
years to August two thousand and seven, I think it

(37:12):
was twenty seventeen. My sister is having her first child.
So we're saying, like four years after the passing of
my mom and her brother, my sister is in the
hospital and she gave birth to a beautiful baby girl.
I went to go visit, and I was at the

(37:33):
foot of my sister's bed holding the baby so my
sister could get some sleep. She had kind of a
rough child's birth and had get a sea section, and
so she was really tired. And so I'm rocking the
baby at the end of the bed. My sister's asleep,
laying in the hospital bed. I kid you not, Nick.

(37:56):
My sister sat up in the weirdest way, the weirdest way,
almost like flat back, sat up and was like, someone said,
Stephen met the baby. Someone needs to show Stephen the baby.
And I like looked at my sister really weird, because

(38:17):
I was why is she talking about Steven? Like this
is because we didn't we weren't close with him, we
didn't even really know him. I'm like, this is really weird.
And when I made the weird face looking at her
and made eye contact with her, all of a sudden,
she freaked out and she looked at me really confused,
and then within a split second it was like something

(38:39):
left my sister's body, and my sister's body went like
limp and she laid back down into the hospital bed.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
It was.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
The weirdest thing I've ever seen. And when my sister
woke up, I told her about it, Ali, did you
know what you were saying? Were you having a dream?

Speaker 2 (38:58):
She?

Speaker 1 (38:58):
I have no idea what you're talking about, and please
don't ever talk to me about that again. It totally
freaked her out. To this day, she will not talk
about it. Who knows what it was, maybe because you
know everything she went through and she wasn't on any
crazy drugs at the time, and in the hospital bet
or anything. She didn't like to take any of the

(39:18):
medicine that they gave her, any of the heavy drugs.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
But she.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
She still freaked out about that. It breaks me out.
I we thought it was that some way my mom,
like in the excitement of my sister having the baby,
you know, her soul coming through, And because the way
she looked at me after it happened, it was this
weird how does she see me kind of look? It

(39:46):
was the most wild experience.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
Next Wow, you know a birth family members are going
to want to be there and they're going to want
to be there, especially if they've you know, already moved on.
They want to be around. So you know, it wouldn't
surprise me, you know, and especially as she mentioned Stephen, right,
I you know I would probably go, you know, I'll
de definitely go with that.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
Yeah. And the way she sat up in the bed,
it was the weirdest it was. It sounds like a
crazy person. I promise you, I think I'm not crazy.
But she sat up in the bed, not human. It
was like this weird flat back, sat up weird, and

(40:30):
then was using her arms a lot. Oh my gosh,
Steven seven, someone needs to choke Stephen the baby. And
I just looked at her so weird because she just
had that Sergeant. I mean, she couldn't even move around
like that. She wasn't so much pain, you know, so
when she's dam I'm like, this is the weirdest thing ever.
And then just her face looking at me that I

(40:51):
saw her, and we both looked at each other in
like horror, and then we're gonna split second. Her body
just was limp.

Speaker 4 (40:58):
I mean yeah, I mean she's just had a sea section,
so really, the last thing she's going to want to
be doing is sitting up in any case, right, right,
it was filed. If she had been relatively medicated, then
you could kind of understand, you know, people get delirious
and stuff. But as she kindly fullgowed anything like that, right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
She was taking like heavy doses of ivy profen. Both
of me and my sister, we do not do well
with any heavy duty drugs, get sick from them, so
we tried to in any case possible, you know, try
to avoid heavy duty drugs. So I know she was
not taking any kind of stantial amount of anything, very

(41:46):
anything that would be mind altering for her.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
Well, what the soldier says, basically, she just grinned and
bare it all. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
So during the actual course, during the sea section, everything
they did, you know, gave her whatever they needed to get.
But this was the following day. This wasn't the day
of the surgery. This was the next day when we
had come to visit. So I would think that would
be funny enough time for you know, whatever they had
given her during the sea section. I mean even the

(42:15):
C section, you're awake during that, you know, she.

Speaker 4 (42:18):
Was with it, So I don't know, it's nice looking
back at it and thinking, you know, I think, you know,
my family wore after my mother and my uncle were there.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
Oh yeah, it's cool. It was just another one of
those moments to make you think there's something else. I
don't know if anybody really knows what it is or
you know, how it all works, but I think a
lot of us have these experiences that make us think

(42:50):
there's something else and it's bigger than us and we
can't figure it out right now, but it is out there.
And I think when we're in times of peace and
life times quiet, that's when it happens. Like it happened
when I was falling asleep, you know, trying to go
to bed or at that moment with my sister. She's
a sleeping and I was, you know, trying to stay
quiet so that she could have her peace. And it's

(43:14):
like in these moments when you can calm your mind
that I feel like it happened. Because we're all so
busy with our days of trying to get this done
and trying to get that done, that I think sometimes
we miss signs.

Speaker 4 (43:27):
Yeah we do, we definitely do. Yeah, we're too busy
with the hustling bustle of daily life family and your
kids and work and stuff that we do miss miss
a lot. These little times they do happen, And yeah,
nobody really knows the answers, especially not on this side.
On the other side, I'm sure they sure they do.
I've said it before. You know, we will all come
back and visit our family and friends, I know, like

(43:48):
I said, I know, I will mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Yeah. And that was that experience is just proof to me, like, Okay,
this this is of all times for something like that
kind of energetic thing can happen. It would be in
that moment, you know, but my mom's two daughters get
to experience the baby that she didn't get to meet,
you know, And here was me needing the baby for

(44:10):
the first time. It was my sister's first child of
all time. For her energy to come through and want
to be there, it would have been that moment.

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Speaker 1 (45:37):
Okay? So, the third thing that has happened to me
This was just recently. This was like a month ago.
My husband was away in New York on a business trip.
And sometimes when he's away, I'll stay up till, like
really late painting. I love to paint. So I was

(45:59):
up to like night this night, and it was eleven
o'clock and I felt this sensation in the room or
something is in the room with me. It's like that
feeling that someone is watching you. And but it wasn't
even a step further than that. It was. I could
sense it was pacing behind me, walking back and forth.

(46:21):
So not only did I sense it, this is never happening,
because I think we've all fell someone watching us or
know that sensation, this went beyond that. I could sense
it was pasting back and forth. I could sense it
it left the room and came back in. At one point,
I had gone down into the kitchen to get some water,

(46:44):
and when I was drinking the water in a kitchen,
I could tell I could sense whatever this energy or
whatever it was here, it who knows, was in the
dining room. And then I came back upstairs. Could tell
it followed me upstairs. And I'm thinking, while this has
all happened, I'm just losing it. I'm like, I am

(47:07):
losing it. My husband is away, I'm breathing about all
these paint views while painting. Something's going on here. I'm
just missing my husband and I'm scared and with him
not home, And that's what I talked it up to.
But then the next morning when I woke up, my
son came into my bedroom and was, Mommy, Mommy, I

(47:30):
need to tell you about what happened last night. And
I was like, what he's like, mom somebody was humming
in our bedroom all night, and I thought it was Bubby,
that's what he calls his big brother, And he was like,
but I checked on him and he was sleeping. And
then not only that, Mommy, I just felt like someone

(47:51):
was watching me all night. Someone was in the room
watching me. And when I get shows telling you this
right now, I was so scared. I don't know how
what do you say to your child? Oh my gosh,
I'm terrified too. Oh baby, it's okay. You know, it

(48:12):
was a late night last night. But I just I
didn't want to dismiss what he said, because at one
point he even asked, Mommy, do you think it was
a spirit? And I did say, yeah, you know, it
could be, you know, because I don't want to be
one of the parents of like, oh, it's not that.
If you have that feeling, then you know, I feel
like we should be open to it. But I also

(48:34):
didn't want him to be scared. So it was the
dance of yeah, maybe it could be what. You're safe
and you're good and you're okay, and it was so
late night and all of that, but another just kind
of terrifying situation. I mean, you're not really used to
things like that.

Speaker 4 (48:54):
Happening and in the househooing. Now, you've never had anything
like that happened before.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
No, no, never, And I've lived here for six years.
It was just one night. It was just this strange feeling.
And my husband really hasn't traveled much since we've moved here.
And I was talking to my neighbor about it, and
she's like, maybe that's something to do with your husband
not being there or something. I'm like, I don't know,

(49:22):
I have no idea. I have no idea what it was,
what caused it, But whatever it was, it was something.
Because the chances of me having that feeling that night,
and I've never had that feeling like that before my
whole life, and then for my son to wake up
and come into my room and tell me the same thing,

(49:45):
it's just too that's not coincidence. It was obviously something.
We just we don't know what it is yet, you know.

Speaker 4 (49:53):
I mean, like you said, you know, if it was
just you that experience too. You're right, you know, you
may could have choked it up to be in paint
fume fair enough, right, but you know if you're child
to then experience it, you know, and say the next day,
then you know, there you go.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
Maybe right right, It was just so what the feeling though,
Nick in the room and on painting, And it's not
like I'm doing house painting. I'm doing like a little
table top acrylic painting. The chances of it being paint
views so small, but yeah, it was just it was

(50:28):
it was very very strange and for my son to
My son was in a totally different room, but he
said he said that he heard humming and he said
it was all night.

Speaker 4 (50:39):
He didn't say if it was mad or female humming.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
He did he said it was male. Yeah, he knew
it was a male. Now I kind of sense that
when I was doing the painting, like I felt like
it was a masculine type energy. So when he said
that too, this is just too coincidentut like to not
be something.

Speaker 4 (51:03):
And it was so recent as well, only last month.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
Yeah, And when I told my husband, I think I
freaked him out a little bit too, because at first,
when I started off my story, he was kind of like, okay, SEC's,
you know, stared on that home. So I think he was,
you know, just the gig. I'm just a nervous wifey alone,
you know. But then when I told him about what

(51:27):
happened with my son, that's when he was kind of like, no,
that's weird, that's that's that's weird. But I felt when
he was when the the energy was in the room,
I felt I could just reach my hand out and
touch it. It was that tangible in the air. I
just felt I could The feeling of it was just
so strong.

Speaker 4 (51:47):
Maybe it could have something to do with your painting. Then,
do you have like a studio? Do you do you
work in that studio?

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Yeah, I have like a little art room, okay.

Speaker 4 (51:56):
And what is what kind of art you do? What
is it you you you paint?

Speaker 1 (52:00):
I do like colorful abstracts, okay.

Speaker 4 (52:02):
And it will be working on anything new or anything
like that.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
I was, so, I've even thought, so I buy vintage
art frames. So I'll buy all our frames and take
the paintings out of them and put new paintings in them.
And I even thought, I wonder if it's something connected
to this particular art piece of because it's never happened

(52:26):
in my house before, so maybe it was just something
associated with the particular piece of art I was undoing.
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (52:35):
You know, they do say that certain objects can be
can have certain energies as well, you know, so they
can be imprinted with people that have passed on. So maybe, yeah,
you just picked up, you know, an item and it
had a previous owner maybe and they maybe they didn't
like what the change you've made to the picture.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
Frame, right right, That's what I was thinking, But who knows.
Who knows. There's just another experience just so weird, And
I think people do have these things, but they very
easily chalk it up to like, well, what I was doing, Oh,
it's my husband. He's not home and I'm missing him
and I'm scared.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
You know.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
I think people do that all the time to try
to feel more comfortable because if they know what it is, Oh,
it's just me being scared. Now I'm comfortable, but I'm
kind of okay with the uncomfortable. You know, it's scary
when it's happening. But I just think we don't know
everything that's going on here, and there's down to be

(53:38):
tons of things, you know, we've got to learn and
are just never We're never gonna know. So I'm kind
of open to just listening to what people talk about
and have experienced because maybe it's true, maybe it's just
something we haven't figured out yet, or just being open,

(53:58):
I think is a good thing.

Speaker 4 (54:00):
Absolutely, Yeah, it's better to be open to WoT things
that this. Yeah, No, I agree.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
It's interesting when you when that one spirit was with
me in the art room, it was it wasn't a
great feeling. Because my neighbor asked me the same thing.
She's a very spiritual woman. That's why I talked to
her about it. She's like, how did you feel? And well,
I didn't feel great. I felt very uncomfortable and that.
And so when you brought that up, I was kind
of like, oh, because I had that feeling in my stomach.

(54:28):
And it's just that I knew where it was when
I was in the kitchen. I knew nick that it
was in the dining room and it was watching me.
I knew it was, and I knew when it would
go out of the art room, I knew when it
would come back, and it was handible.

Speaker 4 (54:42):
In the air, and have you still got that picture
frame now or have you sold it on?

Speaker 1 (54:47):
No, I sold it. I sold it, so it must
have it must have been something with that. That's the
only thing I can think of.

Speaker 4 (54:56):
Yeah, it's good. There's a good chance that nothing happened.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
Again, Yeah, very weird. It literally made me think twice
maybe we should stop doing our work. Just keep painting
for me, but not selling my artwork in these springs
because I'm like, I don't want that in the house
I have. I feel like my house is pretty good
energy then it's very light, and so when I have
that in here, oh, I don't like the feeling of

(55:22):
it at all. And obviously my kids are perceptive to
it too.

Speaker 4 (55:25):
It could Yeah, it could just be a one off.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Yeah, I hope, So, I hope.

Speaker 4 (55:31):
So that's wonderful.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
Okay, thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
Nick.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
It was such a pleasure talking to you. It's always
so nice talking to somebody else who isn't afraid to
talk about this or be open about it, because this
is gonna be hard to find people who are open
to talk about it. So I'm just grateful for all
you're doing.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Hi.

Speaker 4 (55:49):
You more than welcome, Catherine. I really appreciate you coming
on and share and those experiences while listenersh my pleasure.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Thank you so much, have a wonderful day.

Speaker 4 (55:56):
Next you take care of yourself.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
Okay bye, okay bye.

Speaker 4 (56:00):
That's all for this week. Keep updated and connected with
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had an encounter you'd like to share on the podcast,
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on my website at UFO Chronicles podcast dot com. A
big thank you to Steve and Catherine for sharing tonight,

(56:22):
and thank you all for listening. I will be back
next week. Till then, stay safe and keep watching us guys.
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