Ep.175 It Just Hovered There / They Were 8 Foot Tall (Throwback)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:01):
Do you want to report a UFO hanging in? We
don't want to report every thirty one.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Do you wish to report a UFO over hey, we
want to one.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Of those areas thirty one? Do you wish to find
a report of any kind of it?

Speaker 1 (00:18):
I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
Time areas thirty one me neither there were self.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
If it was anybody above us to pass us, Like thirty.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Seconds ago, we were sending one top of golf negative, okay,
OFFI the UFO.

Speaker 4 (00:37):
Yeah, it's murder ten nine o'clock.

Speaker 5 (00:39):
Yes, I'll passed over.

Speaker 4 (00:42):
God.

Speaker 6 (00:43):
I don't know what it was, but it's from at
least to three thousand feet above us.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
See, I passed out over the top of US.

Speaker 5 (00:51):
Ninety one one.

Speaker 7 (00:53):
You just called both to be be four.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
They're after staying the airplanes?

Speaker 4 (01:00):
He I where to god? Calm in on an unidentified object?
Every liberty four call or calm on an unidentified flying object?

Speaker 3 (01:13):
A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share
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Speaker 7 (01:50):
Everyone wherever in the world you are listening from. I
hope you're all doing okay. My name is Nick Hunter
and you're listening to UFO Chronicles podcast. We will start
this episode with.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Xander in Canada sharing some of his UFO sitings over
the years. Then we head south to the state of
Arizona to speak with Michael Now. Michael was a missile
satellite systems engineer in the nineteen eighties and now he
runs the Sedona UFO Tour, amongst other things, and tonight
he will be sharing his interactions with free ets. But first,

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Speaker 8 (03:03):
Now on with the show.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
Hello Xander, and welcome to the show.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Thank you very much. Nick.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Great to be honest, thank you for coming on today.
And you're calling from Canada, so afternoon, yep.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Right in the heart of the Canadian prairies.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Lovely stuff. Now you have some UFO encounters that takes
us back to the late nineteen seventies and early eighties
in the United Kingdom. That's right, yes, would you like
to start the very beginning for our listeners, please absolutely.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
When I was a kid, my parents bought a house
in a village called Tollerton, although it's hardly a village anymore,
and this is in Nottingham shere, and the house that
we bought was reputed to be the highest house in Nottingham.
I don't know whether I believe that's true, but it
certainly did have a real good view out over the

(04:04):
whole city. And so like when we had the power
cuts back in the seventies, and give me the age
away now, I used to look out in the bedroom
window as all the lights would come up. It was
great fun. You're very exciting for you, your lad. But you know,
I used to spend a lot of time looking out
of this window, and I saw some very interesting things.
Now and then I remember this, Okay, this was one

(04:27):
night I looked out the window and so there's our
street just in front of the house. Then two rows
of houses, then a street, then houses, then fields, open
fields right farming, and out over the fields there were
two very bright lights, clearly shining down from in the sky.

(04:51):
Not a great altitude, not really high. This was to
the north of the village, by the way. Okay, honestly,
it looked like a cast headlin. And I remember talking
to me mum about it at the time, saying, Mommy,
WA's that? And she says, well, is it a tractor deer?
You know, like, well, tractors don't fly, and you know
they don't have huge bright lights like that, and you know,

(05:14):
so on and so forth. Couldn't have been an aircraft
of any sort, well, not as a fixed wing aircraft,
because they don't remained stationary, and it was there for
a good long time. Eventually, I just dismissed it and
you know, went about stuff. But these lights were astonishingly bright.
Never seen anything like it, Like two really great search

(05:36):
lights just fixed on the ground from an altitude of
I don't know, a couple of three thousand feet, mate.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
And they just remained completely stationary.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Yeah, And because it wasn't doing anything. When you're a kid,
you lose interest quickly. So I probably looked at it
for a couple of minutes tops and then and then
you know, had a conversation with me man, and let
it be well, very strange because there's no easy and
obvious explanation for you know, I'm very much the kind
of guy who likes to find the truth behind things,

(06:05):
and in this case, even today, I can't think of,
you know, what could have explained that.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
And very very bright.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
Yes, very bright, honestly, like two search lights, all like
a car's headlights with the full beam on. But it
just stayed there. And the other thing was there was
no noise. I might have noticed some sound. Also, these
two lights were fairly wide apart, like wider than a
car's headlights. I can't estimate the difference. And of course

(06:34):
memories get fuzzy over time. Especially mine, but they were
wider apart than an aircraft's would have been, or than
you know, even a very large road vehicle.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
Makes sense, makes sense. How old are you again?

Speaker 1 (06:48):
I can't give you an exact date, but we moved
into that house in nineteen seventy and we moved out
again in nineteen eighty, so somewhere between those, so I
would be between five and fifteen, more than likely to
the younger.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
End of that scale, right, right, Okay.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
Yes, this was intriguing. Only lasted seconds, but I remember
it so clearly. So to the northeast of the house,
and a little way away was an establishment called Saint
Hugh's College, and they're big grounds there with a lake
and you know all that bananas, And I remember looking
out of the self stained window and just seeing a

(07:28):
flaming blue object dropping from the sky there into what
would have been the college grounds. It only lasted the
second or two tops, but it was very very clear,
bright and blue, fire like some kind of pyrotechnic effect.
And I have absolutely no idea what that could have been.

(07:51):
I mean, meteors, right, they get very very hot, so
they glow white. So it wasn't a meteor. It was
it was something burning bright blue, drop me from the sky.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
Queerest thing ever, and you don't think it was a meteorite.
So it seemed it was a little bit different than
the usual falling meteorites.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
Yes, I've seen meteors, and it was it was nothing
like that. The other thing was it didn't it didn't
like wents down fast like a meteor does. Because a
meteor it's like when it's gone. Right, So this this
actually fell rather than what you call it, well, rather
than shooting down at astronomical speed, I see.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
Right, So it's like it's it was probably being slowed
down as it was coming through the atmosphere.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
Looking back, that's the impression I get. I'm not saying
it was definitely not a meteor, but bluefire. That's weird.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
Here's a weird one with met you as you know,
they they're different compounds, they can be different colors. But
who's to say? It could just may have been space chunk,
you know, space chunk.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
You know, in all these years, I've never thought of that.
Perhaps it was. Oh I feel such a silly sausage
now for not not thinking of that. It could have been,
couldn't it.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
I don't know, that's pretty unique. I mean, I wonder thought,
I wonderful a satellite because obviously in those days there
was a lot less satellites than there are now.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
Right, maybe rocket debris, I don't know, but again, just
a peculiar thing that has stayed in my memory, you know,
a vivid experience that clearly I wondered about enough as
a kid for it to remain there.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Kind of thing as you went. And if it was
space junk are a part of a part of a
rocket down, you know, that's pretty unique and you don't
get to see those too much unless you live in China.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
Well yeah, there certainly certainly wasn't anything that I remember
in the news. But then again, you know, being a
young lad like that, you don't take much notice of
the news, do you.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
That's true?

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Okay, So, as I said earlier, our house looked out
over the whole city, so there was a city of
Nottingham spread out before us. I looked out the window
and I seen this thing like a firework rocket ailing sparks,
but firework rockets just shoot off at roots feed right,

(10:06):
this was going quite slowly right over the sort of
the extreme of the city. As I could see and
sparks were trailing from the back of it, and I thought,
that is the queerest thing. So I very quickly and
with an unusual amount of presence of mind for a
young lab grabbed my dad's eight millimeter ciney camera, crank

(10:26):
the zoom, rolled the film on this object. It still
wasn't very big even with the zoom cranked, because the
zoom on them them eight millimeters cameras was never that impressive.
But you know, there it was, and I could see
it through the viewfinder and this and that and the other,
and off it went, you know, over the horizon kind
of thing. So I'm very excitedly, you know, got the

(10:47):
film out of the camera and sent it away for
processing to Kodak, and when it came back there's mirrole
of eight millimeter film. I'm super excited. The second half
of the role, so two minutes of it is completely black,
not a sausage on that. And I don't know did

(11:09):
I do something wrong or did someone not want me
to film that. It sounds a bit paranoid, maybe a
bit conspiracy theory is, but I've always wondered.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
I would have been getted Xander.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
Oh, I was I was so disappointed because as an
I thought, well, well, yeah, I filmed what is referred
to as a UFO, so who wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
Be excited as a shame never got that.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
Yeah, and I've always wondered. But again I remember it clearly.
It looked like a firework rocket trailing sparks, just moving
real slow, and it was traveling east to west, and
it was probably over the north of the city or
maybe further back. If it was further back, then it
must have been pretty huge whatever it was, but gosh,

(11:54):
quite a sight. It's hard to I suppose you get
this with a lot of people who come on the show,
that it's hard to express these things in words, And
in my case with this one, that's true.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
And meteor they're very very quick. I mean they're never
slow moving. And even a comet, you know, I viewed
quite good. A good example would be Hail Bob. But
you member the comet that was up in the sky
and I think it's ninety seven, ninety six, ninety seven
something like that.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Yes, I actually went up to foland and photographed it.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
Oh did you wonderful?

Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yeah, Whether skies are like really clear out on the
walls and stuff, and.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
It didn't move. You know, you could watch it night
after night and it wouldn't move right absolutely, But this,
you know, trading sparks moving slowly across the sky. That's
a strange one.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah, very peculiar. Obviously, no explanation of it in the
intervening forty plus years. Fifty plus years, but now I
have a long y is I don't know, But again
an experience that stayed with me. And the funny thing
is that, you know, I saw some queer things in
the sky when I was a kid, and my life
has been in those terms rather disappointingly. Running the mill subsequently. Okay, okay.

(13:02):
Bradgate Park, Leicestershire. It's a lovely park. Anybody who's been
there will tell you it's gorgeous. You know, grasslands for
and you see da sometimes there's a stream running through it,
so and so forth. Gorgeous. So my parents decided on
a day out and asked them if they could take
a young friend of mine along, so you know i'd
have some company. So I went to the park and

(13:22):
I remember that this was after the picnic lunch. Me
and my friend finished our picnic fairly quickly, so off
we dashed to you know, just do some exploring like
kids do. And up the hill there there's a folly.
It's called the Old John Folly. If you look it
up on YouTube or Google maps or something, there's loads
of stuff about it online. It's not quite some history

(13:45):
and it's you know a lot of people have checked
it out, been interested in it, and so and so forth.
Above the folly there was a circular object hovering. It
was I'm going to say twice as wide as the folly.
And in the middle of this circular object, it almost
looked like there was a hole through it because there

(14:05):
was a brighter area, but it was I mean, it
was a long way away up the hill, never but
this brighter area seemed the same color as the sky,
so it looked like something of the hole cut in it,
but it seemed also at the same time, it seemed solid.
And again I had Middad's movie camera with me, and

(14:29):
he turned to me and said, let's go get the camera,
and so we started running back to the car like Looney's.
And when we came back, of course, it was gone. Yeah,
a definite disc shaped object of some sort above the
Old John Folly, just hovering there. Now what is interesting

(14:51):
is later on, and this is a different occasion entire
but later on, another friend of mine went to the
folly and on the ground there he found a piece
of broken metal and he told me about it, and
I said, you're kidding, because I thought, oh, it's a
bit of me ufo, because this metal was intensely magnetic. Unfortunately,

(15:16):
and much to my great disappointment, another friend of mine
identified it as a broken piece of a speaker magnet.
What a shame. Not extraterrestrial in origin after all, But
the sighting itself remains as a mystery to me. Again,
something I've no explanation for.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
How high was it actually hovering above the folly.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
That's hard to say because I can't in my mind's eye,
I can't really sort of guestimate the height. But I'm
going to say at that distance and the elevation was
a couple of three, maybe four or five degrees above
the folly, if that makes sense. If you looked at
the folly from where we stand, where we were standing,

(15:59):
that would be the elevation. As to actual distance, I
don't know the height of the folly, so I couldn't
really tell.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
Interesting, Yeah, it's a shame that turned out to a
bit of speaker magnet.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
Yes, I know, a bit of extra stresser and metal
with Brittain's roswell.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
How about that? It would have been worth a fortune
and you would be hounded by the press.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
Yeah there's that too, isn't there? And you know I'm
kind of a private guy, so maybe that wouldn't have
been a good idea.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
You'd have the men in black knocking at your door.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
Oh my goodness, No, don't send them now, please. Yeah.
This involves the same friend that I was with in
Bradgate Park and his brother and two other brothers, one
of whom I'm still in touch with. Okay, we've been
out partying in as much as young lads do in
Nottingham when you're when you're not old enough to have

(16:46):
a drink, and you can't get away with it by
saying to the dorm and oh but I'm definitely eighteen,
you know what I mean. And so we're walking back
home and we decided to take a shortcut along a
disused railway track. The railway. The disused railway track is
now in use by the Nottingham Rapid Transit system. It's
been repurposed, so it's all still there. But as young lads,

(17:09):
we used to use this railway track a lot because
you could get all the way into the city without
having to, you know, go on buses and this and
that and the other. It was a very handy thing
to have. And it was just across the road from
our school. So anyway, we were approaching the village in
which I lived, and let's see, the railway track, or
what was left of the railway track ended there because

(17:31):
the farmer had plowed the fields up, so there was
a big, huge pile of earth at the end of
the track and we just clambered up on it like
young lads do. And you know, as we stood there
just shooting the breeze and they were smoking their cigarettes
and what have you, we started to notice these lights
flying around over the village where I live, which was
called Ruddington, and the town where they live, which is

(17:54):
called Clifton. And these were unusually colored light It's not
your normal red and green like you get, you know,
portn style on an aircraft. And they were flying in
unusual patterns, moving together and moving apart again, like no
pilot in his right mind would ever do because it

(18:14):
just like you have to be red arrows or blue
angels to do that sort of stuff, right, you know,
the best of the best. But these things were flying.
They were coming in such close proximity to each other
that we thought we may have seen them join. Okay, Now,
one of the lads was in the RAF. He wasn't
like a pilot or anything, but his observation skills were good,

(18:37):
and he said that he saw this thing as three
egg shaped objects flying either connected or in a very
very close formation. Now I can't say I saw that,
you know, it would be an exaggeration, but there were
a lot of funny colored lights flying around, not fast.

(18:58):
They were just were geeing around at leisure. And we
stopped and we watched for maybe twenty minutes, and then
these lights flew away. I don't remember which direction they went,
and we all said, well, that was strange. And the
RAF chap, if memory serves, his name was Phil. He
offered to do a drawing of what he'd seen, but

(19:19):
nothing ever came of that, unfortunately, But that was quite
That was quite a big thing because these lights were
covering quite a large geographical area as they moved around.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
And were they moving around each other and lying about
all over the place. I mean, would these kind of
movements would have been bad if it had a pilot basically.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
Oh heck yeah, any pilot would have lost his job.
They appeared to be random movements. I can't say there
was certainly not any pattern that I noticed, but you know,
maybe there was and I just didn't notice. But they
were moving together and apart and flying around in wide
arcs over the two towns. And yeah, from where we were,

(20:06):
we had a really really good view of the sky,
so we could see that they were going quite a
long way. Now, there was an airfield in the vicinity,
and that was down near the other town in which
I used to live, Toleton, and it's still there. They
do like flying lessons and all sorts now for your
little piper Cubs and Cherokees and all those little planes.

(20:28):
But these weren't like private aircraft flying around. This was
quite clearly not any kind of organized flying lesson or something.
And it's the dead of night and there wasn't any
engine noise there anything like that. So how do you
explain that? I can't.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
And it was witnessed by all of you, as we
all three of you and yeah, it would have been
good to see a drawing that he would have done.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Oh, I know, but you know, when you're a young lads,
you've got other things to be getting on with, usually girlies, right,
so you know that's probably what happened.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
Yes, a good one. That's a good one. Egg shapes
and wonderful, I do know. And again get egg shape
had one from Wales not back in the eighties. Egg
shaped craft like object. Wonderful right. I actually took my
flying lessons in a chipmunk.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Well, you're a pilot. I'll respect, mate, absolute respect. I
wish i'd done it when I had the chance, when
I was younger.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
That's when. Yeah, that's when I did it, so I
would have my lessons in. It was a ref nuki,
I'd have my lessons. And because I started off in yeah,
training corps, that's where I began.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Interesting here, just south of Saskatoon, there's a place called
Corman Airpark, which is the only independent airport left in Canada,
and they will teach you to fly super cheap. Like
if you go to the main airport here, the Diefenbaker Airport,
it's rude money, of course, but if you go to Corman.

(21:50):
They'll teach you in an ultra light and you can
you can do it for a few thousand, which is amazing.
And you know what I discovered is when I had
the money a few years ago, my heart just wasn't
in it anymore.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
Oh that's a shame.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
Yeah, So I spent the money on music gear.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
Bad loss. But there is nothing like being in a plane,
usually if you're controlling it a small plane, not like
a passioner plane. That's not really the same. It's being
in a plane and being above those clouds looking down.
There was nothing like it.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
That's great. I'd love that. Yeah, I bet that's great.
I have flown a couple of times. I had a
Corman airpart used to do an open day and you
could book a flight and they would let you take
the controls for a minute or so, and so I've
done a little bit. But that really is the absolute
extent of my experience, well apart from a couple of
gliding lessons, which again I didn't keep up because it

(22:39):
was just too far away and too much money.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
Right, Zan, that's wonderful.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Good, I'm glad, and thank you so much for the opportunity.
I hope people find this interesting. They will, indeed, because
it is a subject that interests me. You can probably
tell when I was a kid. I was actually long
after all these things happen. In fact, this may have
triggered my interest. I became a member of a very
short lived thing called you Pick, which was the British
Unexplained Phenomena Investigation Club, right, and it didn't last very long.

(23:06):
It flourished and then died. But I did become a
member of it, and you know, so I got to
hear about a lot of this stuff. And also I
checked out new foists, the Nottingham UFO Investigation Society. They
were quite famous for a while because one of their members,
and his name was George Something. He's undoubtedly gone by now,
catalogued essentially what was a database without a computer, of

(23:30):
all the sightings that had ever been in Flying Saucer Review,
from beginning to end.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
Could God?

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Yeah, So we go down to the meetings. They had
a house in a place called the Meadows, and we'd
go there and this George would be sitting there. And
that's all you do all evening is go through the
magazine and take down the details. And I don't know,
whatever became of that because I you know, when I
started working at Packed nufois in because it you know,
just too many demands on me time. But it's a

(23:57):
subject in which I've always been interested, probably because of
these experiences I had when I were a young lad.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
Of course, of course. Yeah, and a lot of people
are the same, you know, a lot of people have
an interest in this. Not everyone has had experiences mine,
but you know, I created this show for people which
have never shared their experiences before. And I had a
lady on from Scotland and she's in her seventies now,
but she had never shared any experiences she's had the

(24:23):
fifty to fifty odd years, you know, some of these experiences, right,
So this is just really a place where people can
come on and share them, you know, without the whole
ridicual thing.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
And yeah, that's great.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
And it is listened to all over the world, which
is good. Just about every country where we listened to.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Well, it was the East Aglia UFO group, which I'm
a member of, not that I'm in Eastanglia by any
remote means, but a friend of mine is in the
group from friend from years ago, and he says, why
don't you try this out? So I joined the group
and then I saw your posts, so I thought, what
the heck.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Why not?

Speaker 3 (24:55):
Xander. I really appreciate you coming on sharing that for our.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
Listeners, and thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 5 (24:59):
It's great.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
Okay, Okay, that's great. Then, like I said, keep in
contact all right and I will talk to you soon.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
That's great. It's been an absolute pleasure, mate, Thank you
so much.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
The pleasure has been Mindsander. All right, take care of yourself.
Cheers then, okay, thanks sir.

Speaker 5 (25:11):
Right.

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Speaker 3 (26:34):
Hello Michael, and welcome to the podcast.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Nick, Thanks very much.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
For inviting me today, Thank you for coming on to
share your experiences and calling from Arizona.

Speaker 6 (26:44):
Yeah, Arizona the home of a city that I used
to call hell because I melt at eighty degrees and
there's only about four days out of the year that
it's below eighty degrees in Phoenix, Arizona. So I moved
to Sedona, which of course is well known for out
of the box experiences. And I moved here not because

(27:09):
of that. I moved here because it wasn't one hundred
degrees all year long. So and I'm grateful. It's a
wonderful place. The red rocks, the energy, the vortexes, all
that stuff it's involved here is very attractive to me.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
It's really going on there. Okay, Michael, would you like
to let listeners know a little bit about yourself and
what you experienced, please, sir.

Speaker 6 (27:31):
Sure, I'm going to do a reader's digest of my
entire life. At the age of two, I was downloaded
all mathematics through analytical geometry while living in a playpen
in San Diego, California. Now I have his photographic memory
I was born with apparently some I didn't know where
it came from. But it was definitely given to me,

(27:51):
and my primary language was mathematics. My secondary language was English.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
The age of.

Speaker 6 (27:57):
Seven and a half, I know I was seven and
a half because you're seven and a half. That half
is important. When I was seven and a half, I
woke up from a dream one night in Glendale, California, in.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Nineteen sixty six.

Speaker 6 (28:09):
I woke up with basically two and a half billion
years of the Solar System's history in my head. From
this dream, I knew which planets were here, original which planets.
Venus is a rogue planet. It came in late. It
tipped Earth twenty three and a half degrees as it
came in and got captured by the Sun's gravitational Paul

(28:29):
Mars was a moon around Tmat. Tmat was destroted in
the Great War. The Great War had to do with
the biggest planet that had our life on it, which
was Tmat, which is now the asteroid belt. Saturn and
Uranus a swap positions from what they originally were. The
Draco brought the moon here to stabilize the Earth. All
this stuff I knew from a dream when I was
seven years old. So those two major chunks of information

(28:54):
or helped to my brain. I didn't know my entire life,
why me, where it came from, anything else until after
I retired from the nineteen eighties doing missile and satellite
systems for the United States government. I retired in nineteen
ninety and got recruited by a group of people called

(29:16):
the Inner Circle in Phoenix. And the Inner Circle they
loved uncovered government cover ups. So in nineteen ninety seven
on talk radio in Phoenix, I released information on chemtrails,
and it wasn't about two weeks later that CIA threatened

(29:36):
my family, threatened my wife and to tell me about
not to talk about that kind of stuff. I contacted
television and made t shirts and got web pages and
got as public as I could do about chemtrails and.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Some weird things.

Speaker 6 (29:54):
When we were in the Inner Circle, we were finding
We found Kincaid's Cave at the Grand Canyon. We found
Turret Mountain, which is a weather weapon north of Phoenix.
We found a variety of things that the government would
rather that we hadn't found. And weird things were happening
in our house, like a ball of light flew through
our bedroom one night, right through the closet wall, right
through the outside wall and off, and I flew out

(30:16):
of bed to chase it and couldn't catch it. Some
months later, a shadow being walked through our house. We
were out in the back third of our acre and
just happened to be looking up at the house, and
a being walked through, kind of like the shadow of Bigfoot,
kind of looking thing, you know, but walked through our
house and I ran immediately into the house to try

(30:36):
to find what it was, and there was nothing there
that I found. But then some months later it was
a July of two thousand and one. And in July
of two thousand and one, I was sound asleep in
my California King Water bed at three in the morning
with my lovely wife Karla next to me, and all
of a sudden, I'm waking up.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
Now.

Speaker 6 (30:55):
I was forty two years old in two thousand and one,
and I was not accustomed to waking up in the
middle of the night, never have been till I got older.
So I'm waking up, and as I'm waking up, in
that three seconds between unconsciousness and consciousness, I'm feeling like
I'm moving, like I had one too many tequilas, like

(31:17):
I had the spins a little bit like I was
moving without my causing it. And as I went through
that next second of waking up, I realized I am moving.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
I'm moving out of my bed.

Speaker 6 (31:30):
And that's when I heard my lovely wife Carla make
this distressing sound. And that sound was the sound of
her trying to say Michael. But she couldn't say Michael
because her tongue and lips and eyes and everything were
frozen numbed, and she couldn't move them. And I'm floating

(31:51):
out of the bed. So now I'm going down the
hall in that twelve foot hallway, they rotated me from
horizontal as I was in my bed, to vertical where
I'm standing on my feet, and they did that in
the hallway as they moved me down the hallway. Once
my feet touched the ground at the end of the hallway,
I realized that I had not been able to feel
my arms or legs until that moment. When my toes

(32:14):
touched the ground, All of a sudden, it's like those
nerves were turned on and I could feel and I
could balance myself, and I scanned the room for the
front door. I checked to see if the front door
first was closed, and locked from the inside, scanned in
front of me to my office which is behind Arcadia
doors where all my videos crunching and my animations and stuff.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
That I do.

Speaker 6 (32:33):
We're doing what they do in the middle of the night.
No problems there, nothing unusual. And as I turned my
attention further to the left, where the wall ends in
the hallway and the kitchen opens up, I felt the
what I call the danger oog. That's when I feel
something in my gut that's probably I'm not ready for.
But I turned into the kitchen anyway, expecting to see

(32:56):
maybe four or five of those little three and a
half foot guys, because I was just floated down the
hall so I had to be something that was outside
of our rules of physics, and so therefore extra trustrial
in nature. And I wasn't surprised to have extra trustrials interface.
I mean, everything else had happened to us as we
were uncovering these cover up things. As I turned into

(33:17):
the kitchen I expected to see I was aiming my
gaze at about the top of the stove, because that's
how high I expected these beings to be, how tall,
And I looked and I saw the microwave clock said
three oh five, big blue numbers, three oh five. And
at that point I'm at the top of the stove,
over three and a half feet. I'm still seeing legs,

(33:41):
and I look upward on still more legs, and I'm
looking upward, and then there's the hip and the body,
and I'm looking upward and against the ceiling, which was
eight foot two in my kitchen. Just off the ceiling
was their heads. And so therese are three eight foot
very white, slightly blue individuals who had no hair. They

(34:03):
had bumps on their heads had the bumps were not
colliniar like a reptile. They were more like random whack
a mole had been played on their heads. Their cranial
area was slightly larger in proportion to the jaw than
mine is. They had about twenty five percent larger eyes

(34:25):
than mine. If I were scaled to eight feet tall,
their nose is about half the size of mine, and
their mouth was about half the size of mine, and
the mouth never moved. The jaw to neck line was
about like mine in proportion. If you scaled me to
eight feet, the head to the shoulders was about two
and a half headwidth to the shoulder. Their muscular shirt

(34:49):
was very nondescript. There wasn't a lot of there wasn't
a lot of delineation between like extensor and contractor muscles,
you know.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
It was like there was just smoothness.

Speaker 6 (35:02):
And I couldn't tell really whether clothing ended and their
skin began either. It was like there was no seam.
And yet I knew they were wearing clothing because the
sheen on their chest was slightly greater than the sheen
on the face. So now as I'm analyzing, and this
is all taking I don't know, maybe two seconds, and
as I'm scanning down their bodies, I noticed that they
had four fingers and a thumb, and their fingers were

(35:24):
about twice as long as mine are. I didn't get
down to the feet. There was nothing that indicated male
or female. But the one in the middle was I
perceived it as bigger. Whether it was energetically or whether
the face diameter was a little larger or what, I
can't I can't really tell to this day, but I

(35:45):
think that they the leader was in the middle and
was putting out more energy. I think that's what was happening.
But the three of them were all eight feet. So
now the question is, you know, why are they here?

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Are they here?

Speaker 6 (35:57):
My analysis went right to that I'm the sae or
of the universe, and that they're here to get information
out of my head that's classified.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Now.

Speaker 6 (36:05):
Obviously, any information that they have is they apparently transported
themselves through the wall of the house. They apparently would
not find anything in my head to be very advanced.
But at that moment, that's what entered my mind, and
so I put on what I call the bulldog defense.
I started throwing out data out of my mind so

(36:29):
that the hose was so full of data flowing out
there was no way they were going to get in.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Was my thinking.

Speaker 6 (36:35):
Was my logic on this Now, this is three in
the morning, split second logic. Well, you're meeting three ets,
so you have to cut me some slack a little
bit on having it all together. So I'm transmitting to
them telepathically because I know they don't speak English. This
isn't Star Trek. I'm transmitting to them, who are you?
Where you're from? And it was a really fast you know,

(36:56):
the speed of thought is a lot faster than the
speed of speech, and the speed of thought is even
faster than the speed of light. So I'm now transmitting
this phrase telepathically who are you from?

Speaker 2 (37:10):
And that's you know, who are you? Where you're from?
Really fast.

Speaker 6 (37:13):
Apparently these three ets found that annoying and they blanked
my mind. They blanked I could not think who are you?
I couldn't put three words together. It was I was
completely blanked in my mind. And then at the same
within the same moment of thinking, they popped a picture
into my head.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
And Nick, I don't know how.

Speaker 6 (37:35):
Familiar you are with nineteen sixties American television, but they
popped a picture in my head of June Cleaver, the
mother of the Leave It to Beaver Show, And she
always wore pearls, and she always wore a dress, even
when she's vacuuming the house.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
It was funny.

Speaker 6 (37:53):
That was the culture on TV at the time. So
this woman was placed the thought of this woman, the
picture of this woman was placed inside my head by
the ets telling me I'm a petulant child. Behave and
be quiet. So this admonishment by the ets to stop
being a pain in their neck, it hit me humorously

(38:15):
and for a split second, and I realized I'm being
distracted again.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
They're going to get into my head.

Speaker 6 (38:19):
So I looked back up to them, and I, in
slow motion telepathically communicated where are you from?

Speaker 2 (38:26):
Who are you? Where are you? And I didn't even
get the.

Speaker 6 (38:29):
From out, and the being that was on my right
there left made a peer in front of it, this
shield shaped display like it. It could have been a portal,
it could have been a hologram, it could have been
another placement in my mind, I am not sure, but

(38:52):
it looked real as heck to me, and it was
space in this shield shaped object that came up to
about their head, which is about my neck and I'm
six foot one. So the picture, the image in this
thing was at first just blank space, and then which

(39:12):
is not black, but was just dark space. And then
in that same second appeared the Southern Cross. So now
they're showing me the Southern Cross. And after I asked
who are you? Where you're from? So what is my
logical conclusion? These beings are from the Crux constellation. So

(39:35):
now this is all happening again. Within a second, I
look back up to ask which star, and I looked
into their eyes, which was a mistake, and into their
eyes they then captured my head and completed their mission,
which was to give me a bunch of information. They
weren't there to take anything from me. They locked their

(39:57):
eyes all created a baseline of a triump, and then
the apex of the triangle was right between my eyes,
basically in front of the pineal gland. So in this
triangle is now coming light fragments, light particles, light beams,
light bars, light sparks, light fireworks, colors of all kinds,

(40:21):
including amazing ends at magenta and purples, just amazing light.
And the lights are traveling into my head for what
felt like about a ninety minute Mescalin trip where you're
about six inches outside your body as you're experiencing everything.
Kind of what it felt like. But when it was done,

(40:42):
my head dropped down past the clock and it said, uh,
three seventeen.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
So I came into the room. It was three oh five.
My eyes saw the clock.

Speaker 6 (40:52):
At three seventeen it which meant that this was a
twelve minute and some second experience that felt like an
hour and a half. At the end, I realized how
to communicate with them, and I used Rebus puzzles as
my methodology. I'm a video producer, was a video producer
I see life at thirty frames a second. You can't

(41:13):
slip a frame by me in video and have me
not see that, you know what was there. So I
figured out that I could communicate with them using video
frame streaming Rebus puzzle methodology. So I'm communicating to them
like Dick and Jane, go up, up, up, and they

(41:39):
respond to me in one second with war in peace,
you know, nine hundred pages boom. So that was the
difference in the level of But but I did figure
out how to communicate, and so I asked a question.
And so my question was I have a question. And
then they responded with and I'm translating here of coma
is pictures, I'm translating to what was very clear, and

(42:00):
the translation to me was it better be a good question.
It's like they already admonished me with the June Cleaver
image and now they're insulting me by saying that my
question may not be worthy of their answer. And so
I responded, out of the scene, You're gonna love this.
Out of Monty Python in the Holy Grail, there's a
scene at the bridge where the troll says.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
What's your favorite Kala?

Speaker 6 (42:26):
And so I pulled that scene out of the money
Python theme and transmitted it to them. You know when
they after they told me it better be an important question,
and they responded with we want you to know that
we really appreciate your sense of humor. Now, they did
not smile, they did not laugh, they did not show
any facial expression, but they communicated to me they wanted

(42:49):
me to know that they really appreciate my sense of humor.
So then I asked the real question I wanted to ask,
which was why laboratory Earth? And I got this huge
download that included a bunch of the information I had
in the dream when I was seven, and it was
exactly the same information. And so that's when I realized

(43:09):
at that moment that these beings are the ones that
gave me the math when I was two, and gave
me the dream when I was seven. Indeed, they've been
around my whole life, and what they did for me
was in this download of information, this gift of information
that they gave me.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
I now go around, as you probably.

Speaker 6 (43:30):
Know, you know, in Laflin or Vegas or La or whatever,
and I answer, I answer any question on any topic
that doesn't have to do with a personal human's history
other than mine, and doesn't have to do with language
because they don't do language. They do everything by visual
telestream directly into your head. So at this point I

(43:52):
was not sure what my mission was, but I knew
this happened, and it put pieces together from my life
that hadn't been put together before, and so I figured
my mission must now be to get this information that
they gave me about you know, mankind, the history of mankind,
the future of mankind's potential, all that kind of stuff

(44:13):
out to people. So, being a musician, I wrote songs
and albums. I have a band called Tarranomally a couple
of songs which have been received really well in England,
including a new American anthem.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
I thought that that was going to be enough.

Speaker 6 (44:27):
You know, look, I'm using my art, I'm writing music,
I'm doing websites. But I kept getting this like nudget,
it's not enough, that's not enough. So I wrote a
book that had information, it's called Wake Up and Do Something.
Still not enough, not enough, you know, doing the tours
talking to people that that was good, but again still
not enough. So that's why I've now had to create

(44:48):
my own TV channel in order to put more and
more of this information out there so people can get
to it in a real easy manner.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
So basically, your brain is filled with all this knowledge.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
You know, And that's the thing.

Speaker 6 (45:01):
I can't be sure of that, but I know that
I have the addressing scheme to get the answer, because
when somebody asks me a question on a topic of
which I have no research or background on, out comes
this answer and I say, well, you know, I don't know,
but that's the answer that came out.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Look that up.

Speaker 6 (45:20):
Research that it sounds logical to me, and then I'll
research it and find out sure as heck that you know,
that's really what's going on. It's uncannily accurate, I'd say
somewhere around ninety three ninety five percent. And I don't
know that the answers are all in my head. Maybe
it's just the addressing scheme, so when the question comes in,
I can pull it from the akashak record or something.

(45:41):
Don't I don't know exactly the process of how it
comes in, but I do.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Know that it comes in.

Speaker 6 (45:46):
You know a lot of people ask you know, all
my tours every night, a lot of people ask things like, well,
how if you're a face to face contact ee with
with extraterrestrials. And you claim that you are a spiritual person,
and how do you how do you square ET's with God?

Speaker 2 (46:02):
Right?

Speaker 6 (46:03):
And I usually respond with a very close, quiet, one
eyebrow raised face and say, so you believe in a
limited God, then, because my God's unlimited, easily create ETAs.
That usually has them thinking and as that's really good.
People want to know you know how to manifest their lives.

(46:25):
That's a question, how do you manifest? How do you
manifest your reality? Which is I wrote a song track
two on my wake Up album. It's called Breaking Day.
It's all about manifesting reality. And I say, well, you know,
you don't have to invent the method if the method
has already been written, and it's in the Book of Thomas.
So if you want to know how to manifest, all
you got to do is find the Book of Thomas

(46:47):
that Constantine was so rude to pull out of the
library the Bible, and you'll find that it's a two
step process. It's simple, but it's not easy. You have
to practice, but it is simple. You want to know
how to manifest, you picture the final frame of what
it is that you're trying to achieve that final that

(47:08):
final frame of the video that you're trying to achieve.
When you've reached it and you know it and you've
gotten there, and you see the detail in that frame,
the nth detail, you can zoom in and see every
fly on the wall, every fingernail in a person's hand,
you can see, you zoom it, you see all that detail,
and you feel the joy in your heart as if

(47:30):
it's already happened. And that nick is how you step
into the reality that you want to manifest.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
So if someone was to ask you something like if
the universe was born at the Big Bang, what existed
before that?

Speaker 6 (47:48):
Yeah, I happen to know. I was given that in
my dream when I was seven and a half. I
was given the instance that the vibration happened. There was
no Big Bang, there was the void, and the void
I'm going to I'm going to parallel into a tray

(48:09):
of damp sand.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (48:12):
So the verse, which you call universe, there's many of them.
That's why I don't call it universe, It's just our verse.
Our verse was like, for this metaphor, was like a
tray of wet, damp sand, okay, and.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
It just sits there.

Speaker 6 (48:28):
Then the creator, the master of this verse, caused a
vibration to happen, created frequency, and that you can liken
to putting a speaker underneath that tray of wet sand
and putting on a frequency. Now, all of a sudden,

(48:50):
that tray of damp sand starts forming circles and patterns
and arcs and things. Right, that wasn't there before. That's
a derivative of the sand and the vibration. And that
is what matter is in the verse, is a derivative
of the energy and the vibration.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
So before the creator did the creator vibration thing.

Speaker 6 (49:16):
There was only the void. There was only the tray
of sand. Now how long was the tray of sand there?
That's the good question, continuing the metaphor, like this verse
versus by the way our spheres and so this verse,
before this verse, what was there? Well, there was void,
and there may have been a different verse. That different
verse may have popped or collapsed or whatever. And now

(49:38):
it's time to make a new verse. And so a
creator makes a new verse. That new verse is a
tray of sand, and then they creates the vibration and
that creates the images in the sand, which creates all matter,
all cohesiveness of anything, all electromagnetic cohesiveness was done because
of the vibration.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
Before that there was none. Does that answer your question? Nick?

Speaker 3 (50:00):
It does kind of. Do you think that there are
others which they have done a similar thing to what
have input its information into people's craniums?

Speaker 6 (50:10):
Well, the mission, as I understand it, which consisted not
of just three ets, but many different beings, many different
kinds of beings, and many different locations. Their information to
me was between two thousand and two thousand and two. Okay,
so two thousand, two thousand and one, two thousand and two,

(50:30):
So it's a three year period between two thousand and
two thousand and two. And this was in July two
thousand and one.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Mind you. They they indicated to me in past tense
that they had contacted okay, one million humans, roughly one
million humans in round numbers, and given them information.

Speaker 6 (50:51):
Now, this was the middle of two thousand and one,
and they're telling me that back in two thousand and two, right,
So these beings are nonlinear in their existence on time,
that's my translation of that. So between two thousand and
two thousand two, they contacted a million people. It gave
them information. Now did they give them all exactly the
same information as me? I have no idea. Didn't get

(51:13):
that part of the information, And because it involves personal
human histories, I can't get the answer.

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Speaker 2 (52:34):
Here's the thing. Are you familiar with Drake's equation?

Speaker 5 (52:37):
Sure?

Speaker 3 (52:38):
Yeah, yeah, I am.

Speaker 6 (52:39):
Okay, So I did a parody of Drake's equation called
Michael's equation, And Michael's equation goes like this. So you've
got a million people. For argument, we'll just say they've
got a million people that were contacted. Now, a one
out of ten people is not going to blow that
off as a dream, as a as a vision, as

(53:02):
a bad acid trip or whatever.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
You know, one out of ten is not going to
blow it off.

Speaker 6 (53:07):
People they blow up. They see things at the corner
of their eye. They blow it off. It's a sprite
as an actual thing could be, you know, an energy being,
could be whatever. But they blow it off. Now it
can't be. It can't exist because it doesn't fit, you know,
the great school of paradigm. So now of a million people,
only one out of ten are going to treat it
as serious. Now we're down to one hundred thousand. Now,
language skills, Nick, as you may know are not taught

(53:29):
very well being able to take this visual information and
the stream of information and convert it into cogent messaging
to reach people from seven years old to seventy years old.
You know that there's just not a lot of people
that have that language skill. In fact, I'm going to
say one out of ten from most of what I
read on Facebook and Twitter. So now we're down to

(53:53):
ten thousand people. Then one out of ten people is
not afraid of public speaking. The biggest fear of adults
is public speaking. So now we're down to one thousand
out of that million that our potentials going out and
giving the message. But the problem is only one out
of ten of those people has the connections, resources, assets,

(54:16):
or playing out hutzpah to go and be seen on
television and big stages and big conferences around the country
and the planet. So what we now have is one
hundred people who got the information, who have the ability
to communicate to masses, and that's not enough for the
other seven and a half billion people to get the information.

(54:39):
So I'm trying to ramp up every every way, every method,
every every vibration that I can to get this information
to people that there's two main pieces of information that
I communicate that they communicated to me, that I'm supposed
to communicate to others. Two main pieces of information fides

(55:00):
the questions that anyone may ask. Okay, and that's this
number two. There's no such thing as a benevolent species.
There's no such thing as a malevolent species, all right,
No such things benevolent species, No such things malevolent species.
Not all draco want to eat you, Not all pleadians

(55:21):
are here to help you. We need to approach all
life in that way. I mean, from ets and people
down to snakes and dogs and horses. I mean there's
those with really friendly dispositions and there's those with really aggressive,
mean dispositions.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
And it doesn't matter what species it is.

Speaker 6 (55:42):
So you need to know that you judge a being
based on what it does, not on where it's from
or what it looks like.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (55:51):
That leads us to the number one piece of information,
the most important piece of information that they gave me
to give everybody, and that is basically the reason for
a living hell. Why we're here. Okay, So we are here.
This is really complicated, and I'm going to do it
in four words. Nick we're here to do for others. Okay,

(56:16):
So we are here to raise the benefit and consciousness
of people, animals, rocks, trees, the ether, the consciousness itself,
depending on what levels you're tied in at.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
We are here to raise.

Speaker 6 (56:36):
That overall balance of good versus evil, and by helping,
just in the act of helping people selflessly, it raises
the balance in our favor. So we don't have to
actually go out there, all of us and grab a

(56:56):
sword and take off the heads of the bad guys.
Some of us do have to do that, but that's
not for all of us. For all of us, however,
is the raising of the conscious level of good over evil.
We have to call it out, we have to admonish it,
we have to not support it. We have to help

(57:18):
others eliminate their fears. You know, fear is the great
stopper of all mankind, and knowledge defeats fear. If you
have knowledge of every corner of your room and under
your bed, in your closet, and everything else, you can't
be afraid of the boogeyman because the boogyman can't be
in your room because you've already got the knowledge that

(57:39):
the room is completely clear of the boogeyman. That's how
you teach kids not to be afraid of the boogeyman.
By the way, show them every corner of the room.
You turn to light off, turn a light on, you
turn to light off, you turn a light on. There's
no difference, it's the same. There's nothing in the room.
And then they learn through knowledge that there's no reason
to fear.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
I mean when it comes to fear. I mean there's
a lot of people today which use thear to perpetulate
their control.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Oh. Sure.

Speaker 6 (58:07):
The two plays that the Deep state has I allegory
to basketball. You know basketball, there's two plays that you
can teach an eight year old team, and if they
execute those two plays really well, they will go undefeated.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
And that is give and go and pick and roll.

Speaker 6 (58:24):
If you can give and go and you can pick
and roll with efficiency on your eight year old basketball team,
your kids will be champions. Here's the thing. The Deep
State has two plays that they've used against the people forever,
and the reason they use them is because the people
still fall for it. Those two plays are divide and
conquer and problem reaction solution. So as long as they

(58:49):
can get the Republicans against the democrats, the labor against
the lords, the whites against the blacks, the men against
the women, the gays against the straits, the I mean,
as long as they can divide you, then you're fighting
each other. And they're not spending any weaponry at all. Right,
that makes you both easily more easily controllable because you're

(59:12):
not paying attention to what the real people, the real
bad guys are doing. Right, And they've done this over
and over, Nick, you know they've they've done this since uh,
you know, since the CIA started. They've done this with
MK twelve. They've done this with you know, all this stuff,
all these projects for decades. And so why change a

(59:32):
plan if it.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
Still works, people still fool for it.

Speaker 6 (59:34):
Yeah, Now, let's hope that people learned enough. And it's
so recent I was uncovering, Uh my wife and I
were diving deep diving and uncovering all this stuff back
in the nineties. Transformation of America and Thanks for the
Memories are two books. They go deep into the MK
ultra programming of sex, slavery and all that kind of stuff. So,

(59:56):
you know, I've been covering this stuff for a long
time and trying to get information out for a lot time,
and I'm glad that now there's more and more avenues
for this information to be able to be delivered to
the public. The more that they squeeze, it's like right
out of Star Wars, you know, the more they squeeze,
the tighter they squeeze, the more slip through their fingers.

Speaker 7 (01:00:14):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:00:15):
Yeah, And you and I are you know, it's like
I said, you know, real people with cameras are becoming
the only truth on TV.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
We're the media is us exactly when you certainly can't
trust junk it comes off TV these days. Not so
I mean to be honest, I haven't watched the TV
in about maybe twenty years.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Yeah, yeah, it's been about it.

Speaker 6 (01:00:32):
It's been about ten since I've had commercial channels, right,
But I got to have the Internet connection obviously to
do what I do and for you to do what
you do. But you know, I watched Star Trek because
I know I know what's on there, you know or something,
But I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
I definitely don't.

Speaker 6 (01:00:50):
I don't watch these new shows that are all twisted
in their in their purpose and as one of the
things that you know on my TV channel on truth
on TV I've got Andy Griffith shows. I've got Flash
Gordon from the nineteen fifties, right, you know, I've got
I've got some good old it's all god family, country
centric with a no content that would be embarrassing to

(01:01:14):
your grandma or your grandchild.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Gotcha kind of my method?

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
Yeah, I mean, like in the UK, the stuff we
have on these days is just is I call it
chewing gum for the eyes. Ye, pure.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Yeah, in other words, completely useless, completely useless.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
You also run some UFO tools in Sedona. Do you
want to tell our listeners a little bit about that?

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Where did you hear a rumor like that? Yeah? Actually
it's true.

Speaker 5 (01:01:36):
Nick.

Speaker 6 (01:01:36):
I ended up with the motivation of getting reality into
people's heads about the space program, and I figure the
best way to do that is to show them part
of our thirty five trillion dollar space program. So I
have Arizona UFO Tours and I am the Sedona UFO

(01:01:58):
Tour guide. But Arizona UFO tours dot Com is where
you want to go, and and what I have is
I have these thirty five hundred dollars military night vision
goggles that are illegal to send out of the country
because they're too classified. And everybody, every adult on my tour,
gets their own goggle. You don't have to share like

(01:02:19):
the other guys in town. So everybody it's their own goggle.
At sundown, we meet and everybody follows. Have you seen
my truck? Next Spacebourbon one?

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
I have?

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
I have yourtool? Is a world famous, isn't a trip?

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:02:34):
So everybody follows me up to my airport location. Because
the airport is the highest point in Sedona. It's on
top of a bluff. They cut off the top of
a bluff and put a runway. I started flying in
there in nineteen eighty one, and the spot up there
is beautiful. It's perfect for looking all the way around

(01:02:54):
high high sky, low sky. It's all visible and in
about an hour. Well, in twenty eighteen, when I started
doing this, in the hour and fifteen minutes or so
that we have goggle use, we were seeing about oh,
twelve to fifteen spacecraft and satellites and airplanes. Now, I
refas nick, in just four years, traffic is quadrupled and more.

(01:03:20):
We're seeing fifty to sixty ships a night now and
the satellites and the airplanes, so we have huge traffic
going on, and it's because we are at war and
we're in the middle of it, and we get to
see with this night vision a lot of this of
the nine hundred ships that are flying in the Inner

(01:03:40):
Solar System and in orbit protecting Earth right now from
this from the scourge.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
We call the cabal.

Speaker 6 (01:03:46):
So you can go up to our Arizona UFO tours
dot com and click on make a reservation and put
in the date you'll be in town. And I don't
take money ahead of time. I wait until it's time
to actually leave, because I don't think anybody should wait
for a refund in case they kept the heck out
of us and we can't go that night. It's a
lot of fun. We have all ages, families. I have
two levels of tour. You can read all about it

(01:04:07):
on the site. It's it's always a good fun and
lots of good information exchanged.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
And the tools a very regular are they.

Speaker 6 (01:04:15):
For the week every night that it's clear I'm running
a tour, So about twenty seven nights a month average
it looks like I'm running a tour, and it can
be anywhere from two to twenty people.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
You never know, so it would certainly suggest booking ahead.

Speaker 6 (01:04:30):
Yeah, especially if you want to get a personal tour.
That's where your party has me exclusively for you. It's
a little more money, a little more comfort. You know,
I can come to your location you want to book
it at least two weeks out on that on a
nightly tour. Usually if you get your your reservation in
like two nights ahead of time, I could squeeze you in.

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
That's great. So if people are looking for something different
to do this year, then certainly get yourself to Arizona
ufotours dot com. Perfect I'm ever in the area, I
will certainly come along.

Speaker 6 (01:05:02):
Now Michael, Oh, well, if you're ever in the area,
of course, all you got to do is just let
me know and I'll just squeeze you in on a tour.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
On me come That would be great. Yeah, Media, I
could do that, And if you have a a companion
with you, you can bring her as well, and I.

Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
Will certainly bring the wife.

Speaker 6 (01:05:18):
You guys, I look forward to meeting you at one
or more of these events.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
It's a good time. It's fun. I like to have fun.
I love kids.

Speaker 6 (01:05:24):
Kids are great on the tour because they ask questions
you have no idea what's going to be coming out
of their mouths?

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
That is true.

Speaker 6 (01:05:30):
Yeah, and it's super super fun and all the kids
get a toy on my tour and stuff, so it's
a good time. I love I love exchanging information with people.
I'm glad to have been able to meet you on
this call.

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
Neck Michael, I really appreciate you coming on sharing that
for our listeners.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
Bless you till next time.

Speaker 3 (01:05:48):
Yeah, take care, Mike, I told you soon. By That
is all for this week. I'm afraid keep updated and
connected with the show on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram. And
if you have an encounter that you'd like to share
on the podcast, you can email me at UFO Chronicles
at gmail dot com, or you can reach out to
me via the contact page on my website at UFO

(01:06:09):
Chronicles podcast dot com. A big thank you to Xander
and Michael for sharing tonight, and thank you all for listening.
I will be back next week. Till then, stay safe
and keep watching us guies. Goodbye,

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