Ep.176 The Albany UFO (Throwback)

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Tonight we meet Drew in South Carolina, and Drew will be sharing with us a couple of his UFO encounters, in particular an object that he witnessed in Albany, Georgia in 1996, of something that resembled a tuning fork with an array of lights.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
You'll be away five seventeen. Do you want to report
a UFO hanging in? We don't want to report every
thirty one. Do you wish to report a.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
UFO over hey, we want to one of.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Those areas thirty one.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
Do you wish to find a report of any kind
of it?

Speaker 2 (00:18):
I wouldn't know what kind of reports, clouds, time areas
thirty one me neither there were self.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
If it was anybody above us to pass us, Like thirty.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
Seconds ago, we were sending one top of golf negative, okay,
OFFI the UFO.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah it's murder two nine o'clock. Yes, I'll just passed over.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
I go. I don't know what it was, but it's
from at least to three thousand feet above us. See,
I passed out.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Over the thought of us. Ninety one one. You just
called both to be before they're after staying the airplanes
he is swear to God more calm in on an
unidentified object every liberty four call or calm on an

(01:08):
unidentified flying object.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share
their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had
an encounter, I would like to be on the show.
You can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com.

(01:48):
Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. Wherever in the
world you are listening from, I hope you're all doing well.
I'm Nick Hunter and this is the UFO Chronicles podcast.
Tonight we meet Drew in South Carolina, and Drew would
be sharing with us a couple of his UFO encounters,
in particular an objects that he witnessed in Albany, Georgia

(02:10):
in nineteen ninety six of something that resembled a tune in.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
Fork with an array of lights. Drew up next.

Speaker 4 (02:18):
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(02:41):
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Speaker 3 (02:43):
The show to continue running. Now on with the show,

(03:03):
Hello Drew, and welcome to the show.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Hey, how's it going? Nick?

Speaker 4 (03:07):
Thank you for joining us today and you're calling from
South Carolina. That's correct, Okay, Drew, You're can be sharing
some of your experiences with us. Would you like to
start the very beginning please?

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Sure? Sure, So to kind of lay the groundwork, there's
an experience that I've remembered my entire life so vividly
to where it's like I can close my eyes even
right now and I can still see this image. And
it's been with me since I was a young kid,
and it's influenced me and you know great ways. I mean,

(03:43):
my curiosity, you know, as far as technology, science, our existence,
what that might mean, philosophy, I mean, all the above
just went off the charts at a very young age
because well I can't say exclusively because of this, but
very much, much impacted by this event. And it's very simple.
I mean I was around the age well, I would

(04:06):
have been nine at this time. We were living in Albany, Georgia,
and I was awoken to a feeling that you know,
it's really hard to at that age. The best description
I could give it is it felt like a bunch
of ants were crawling all over me, you know, very

(04:28):
tingling feeling, which I now as an adult can recognize
to be static electricity. But yeah, I woke up and
me and my younger brother, we had a bedroom, and
we had our beds bunked for like step brother, so
we could have more room for activities. So I slept

(04:50):
on the top bunk and he slept on the bottom,
and our both beds were right up against a window.
So when I felt this feeling, I remember waking up
and kind of looking out of the window, and I
sent you a drawing of what I saw when I
looked out the window. But I saw what I could

(05:10):
best describe as a tuning fork shaped craft. Didn't seem
like it was landed. It seemed to be floating, but
not hovering or moving in any kind of erratic way,
almost perfectly still. But it had very unique lights all

(05:30):
over it. If you look at the drawing, some of
the set of lights I could best depict as being white,
but they weren't really white. A lot of the other
guests that you've had on when they describe it, I
totally get what they're saying, because the light seems to
be a very pure almost have a tinge of blue

(05:52):
hue to it. You know, often this similar type of
light in movies is depicted as being angelic in some sense,
but it also had a row of lights on it that,
you know, I best kind of depicted as being portholeish,
but maybe that's not what they were. They seemed to

(06:13):
cast their light in a way that was unlike anything
I had seen at the time, and the lights seemed
to be shifting in color. My brain at the time,
I was nine years old. This happened in nineteen ninety six.
At the time, likened it to the famous toy Simon says,
but the lights weren't, you know, on the Simon says, toy,

(06:36):
the lights are you know, red as always red. The
lights on the ship seemed to be able to change
whatever color the ship wanted them to be, and it
didn't seem to be changing in any noticeable pattern that
I could, you know, make out at that age. So
I'm in the bed, I lean up, I'm looking out
the blinds, and I see this and my memory kind

(06:59):
of goes out, and then it's the next day. You know,
it's crazy because I remember this so vividly, and it's
strange because I've always, you know, I've always had a
pretty good memory. This will kind of come into play later,
but you know, I feel like on the cartoon and
Family Guy, you know, still he makes jokes about discovering

(07:21):
his inner voicers inner monologue early that I laughed so
hard when I saw that on the cartoon because I
feel like that's something that I've always kind of had.
I've always had this inner conversation going on in my
head at a very young age. I've always been competitive
out of an older brother who's six and a half
years older than me. So you know, when you have

(07:43):
that older brother, you're constantly chasing him and trying to
be his peer and trying to, you know, do the
things he's doing, and because of which, you know, I
can remember being you know, and there's pictures of me
being two or three, dressing up like I was going
to school because that's what I saw my older brother doing.
Adults when I was really young used to spell things

(08:05):
around me that they didn't want you kids to know,
and they used to really tick me off. So we
had these little mini records because my mom is a teacher,
and each record was for a different letter of the alphabet,
and it came like a little mini record player. And
when I was a young kid. I mean this is

(08:26):
before I even started kindergarten. I just started listening to
those records over and over, and I eventually, you know,
taught myself how to read. I started with my name
and how to you know, sound that out, and went
on and on and evolved to where I knew how
to read. Now. I couldn't read novels, but I could
read and understand spelling well enough that that trick that

(08:49):
adults used to use on me didn't work anymore. And
I never told anybody about it. So whenever I was
going to school, and I kind of segue into the
I may jump around. But it's interesting because when I
reflect back on these memories through life, I've kind of questioned,
you try to rationalize to yourself, like, what is it

(09:10):
that I really saw, because it's I can remember this
part so vividly and distinctly and specifically, but when you
try to remember what happened after that, there's a block.
You know, it's almost like a physical pain you feel
at a specific location in your brain. And it's that's
weird because that's a sensation that I don't normally run

(09:32):
into when trying to access any other memory I have
in my brain. In fact, to get back to this account,
I distinctly remember the following day after this. You know,
I don't remember what I did prior to this event
or what was going on, but I remember the next
day because you know, this was in my mind and
I was trying to rationalize it, and I had to

(09:54):
go to school, and you know, I was kind of
a loose that day because I was trying to rationalize it.
It wasn't terrifying or anything like that. I was just
trying to make sense of what i'd seen. Went to
after school care, and then went to baseball practice, and
I distinctly remember that because I was kind of out
of it and I was kind of one of the
more vocal people on the team. My dad actually coached

(10:16):
our team, and I distinctly remember on the ride home
from the YMCA field, I remember exactly where we are,
and it's so crazy. I actually went on Google Earth,
and I could when I went and looked at this
exact location. I mean, it looked exactly how it looks
in my memory. But I remember exactly where we were
driving on the way home when I kind of nonchalanently

(10:37):
mentioned it to my father and I asked him. I
was like, you know, have you ever seen something, you know,
in the sky that I don't know? It kind of
looked like I could. You know, nine years old, you
don't have that grade of descriptive vocabulary. But I watched
a lot of TV cartoons, so I likened the shape
of it to a tuning fork, you know. I'd seen

(10:59):
that on Looney Tune, and I said, it look like
a tuning fork, you know, from mooning Tunes or you
know how they have magnets on there, but it didn't
have the handle on it. I was like, you know,
or maybe the bottom rigging on like a helicopter, but
nothing on top of it. You know. I'm like, have
you ever seen anything like that with lights on it?
He's like, you know, my dad's like every other dad

(11:20):
in the nineties. He's you know, listens to the story.
He's driving jamming too, you know, he's big in the
jazz and Shah Day. We were probably listening to that,
and you know, he kind of listened to this story
and kind of strugged it off. Was like, no, no,
maybe you're dreaming or something, you know. And I kind
of took that answer and was like Okay, well he's
not worried about it. I'm not worried. I'm not afraid.

(11:43):
I don't I know, I wasn't dreaming. I've never had
a dream that vivid, you know. In fact, I'm not
really one to dream, you know. I've often tell people like,
I don't have dreams. I just go to sleep in
my mind rest and I wake up. So to have
a dream that vivid would be so out of character
and out of place. It just be strange to me

(12:03):
to be able to feel and touch and sense. Yeah.
So that account took place when I was a kid,
and throughout my childhood. You know, I was constantly trying
to investigate what could have made sense of it, and
I just sinkly remember when it happened because the way
my memory works, like I can remember how things make

(12:26):
me feel, you know, and that's what I feel. Like.
It's interesting about this is, even if you know some
parts of memory are being blocked, they weren't able to
overwrite how it made you feel that, you know what.
That sense seems to override whatever effect or technology they
may have to you know, you often hear people saying

(12:48):
about lost time or and whatnot, whatever effect that they're
able to produce that makes this happen, is not able
to totally block out the memory. And I think there's
something interesting about that. You know. The propulsion obviously is
going to be interesting to me. I remember, you know,

(13:09):
doing research and running across talks from Bob Lazarre. He
mentioned the you know gravity well and I said to myself, well,
that could work, because I you know, in my own thoughts,
even as a kid, I said, and I would always
argue with science teazers and talk to you know, they
always said, how could you traverse space? And even if
you moved it to speed of light, you'd be restricted.

(13:30):
And I'd say, well, what if you know, we've been
able to observe certain things in space that could move
faster than light, the expansion of space itself. So you know,
even before I heard Bob Blazar, I said, what if
you could in a sense coat something in space itself
and use space as some sort of like a lubricant,
you know, to reduce whatever drag hindered you from going

(13:53):
beyond the speed of light. So when I heard his talk,
that definitely sparked something to me. But I always got
to feel and based on my own experience that whatever
I saw was more taught, you know, to electromagnetism. You know,
people often mentioned things making those sound. You know, I
feel like I distinctly remember or a sound of something

(14:14):
that sounded similar to like a power transformer. We had
a transformer outside our home, but you typically wouldn't be
able to hear that from our bedroom where we slept.
You know, I could hear that whenever we were staying
outside waiting on the bus. So but I remember the
sound and tone and vibration, you know, feeling more liking

(14:38):
to something like that, And I think that's why I
was always curious just about electricity in general. So you know,
that led me down a path of you know, investigating
a lot of scientific type things to try to rationalize us.
I watched and consumed all, you know, any movie that
talked about the subject. And the further I kind of

(15:01):
got away from this event the more I you know,
you kind of grow into adolescents in adulthood and you
kind of follow it away. And in my mind, memories
are kind of like you know, stored away in like
rooms of the big mansion, and this was like you know,
a side attic that you kind of stuff, some stuff
away that you don't think about, you know, all the

(15:22):
time per se. You know, you know, it's led you
on a path to where you're very curious about different subjects.
But this specific incident, I kind of, you know, more
and more tried to convince myself like, uh, well, I
don't know, I don't know about it. Well, as you know,
I got older and graduated high school, and you know,

(15:46):
segueing all the way up to two thousand and seven,
there there was another and this just came out of nowhere,
and I had one of my friends with me there
to witness it, which just gave me that extra confirmation like, okay,
I knew it, and we were you know, I went,
we were going downtown, and I went to the house
to pick them up because you know, they had parents

(16:08):
that were you know a little more or less strict,
and they in order for them to get out the house,
you know, they wanted to see that they were going
out with a friendly kind of trusted face. And we
you know, we ran track together, so I could kind
of go and vouch for him. So went picked them up,
were in the car and we're getting ready to get

(16:30):
on the highway and here in Columbia. It's Highway I twenty,
and we noticed this white light. I you know, I
kind of looked at it out of my peripheral and
noticed it a little bit earlier. But you know, when
I ride, and especially when we were getting ready to
go go out hang out downtown, you know, we're usually

(16:51):
listening to music. So I just kind of looked at it,
but was paying attention to the road and just making sure,
you know, we got downtown listening to the music. But
then we noticed, well I noticed that the light seemed
to be growing in size and the way it cast
it light just struck a nerve in me, a memory

(17:11):
in me that was so familiar. But in a sense
I had kind of like forgotten it or just kind
of you know, like I said, stashed it away in
another room and hadn't been in there in a while.
And the light, you know, it grew, it grew, and
next thing you know, it's about the size of you know,
if you were holding out a pee in front of you,

(17:33):
but a very bright, bluish white light. Well, as we're
coming on to the interstate, I go to utter and
I say, yo, what the heck? And before I could
finish my sentence. The light seemed to disperse something that
lit up the sky like the brightest camera flash you've

(17:55):
ever seen, maybe one or two of them actually, and
the light itself took off it what I could only
estimate near the speed of light. It didn't leave a
streak like you would see in Star Wars, you know,
when they jumped to light speed and it leaves a
light streak. You could still see a pinpoint taking off,

(18:16):
but the rate of speed would be similar to you know,
taking the cursor on your mouse, you know, on your
computer screen and just wiping it across the screen that fast,
but that being the entire scope of the horizon. And
when we saw it, I just said, yo, what was
My friend looks at me. It's like, I don't want

(18:37):
to talk about it. I looked, I'm like, what do
you mean? You know? I'm like, you know me, I'm
that UFO guy. A lot of my closest friends at
that point knew that if any of us was more
or less across the fence and believing in the existence
of UFOs and UFOs not necessarily meaning alien, I mean

(18:58):
more than likely I would say that. But you know,
the things that I could firmly attest to is seeing
technology that farly exceeded anything that was known widely known
to man. Let's let's put it like that. And I'm
looking and I'm like, you don't want to talk about it,
but something in me told me is like, just let
it go, you know, leave it alone. So I don't

(19:20):
even you know, the crazy thing is, I don't remember
what else we did that night. All I could do
was think about what it is we saw. And to
this day, you know, I could call them up and
they still remember this. You know, they're a lot more
welcome to the subject now. In that moment, it was
kind of like, I think, just a shutdown. It was
a shock. We're both grew up very religious, but they,

(19:43):
you know, I think this kind of just shocked their
whole paradigm and it took them some time to be
able to see that. Like me, I mean, you know,
this isn't something that I think should change anybody's views
on whether or not there's a God or anything like that.
I mean, I took this as concrete evidence of an

(20:03):
existence of something well beyond the mundane, you know, well
beyond what we've been instructed to believe and that to
me was more evidence that there is some higher being
than there would be that there isn't. So perhaps this
may have been evidence of a higher being. I mean
that this sighting, you know, it was so because it

(20:26):
was that much more recent, and because I had the
experience as a kid, I felt like my mind retained
this image just so so vividly, and I, you know,
I was able to apply a more analytical mind and
brain to it. And I remember seeing the video of
the UFO over Jerusalem, and I believe that came out

(20:47):
maybe in twenty eleven, and I remember when I saw that.
I said that I sent the link directly my friend
and we both said, yep, that's exactly. I know when
you google it, people want to say, oh it, you know,
somebody wrote some le trying to insist that it's a hoax.
But I'm telling you that thing what we saw looked
exactly like that, and that, you know, it kind of

(21:07):
expanded my mind even more. And I said, you know,
what is the significance of this UFO going and parking
over the dome of the Rock in Jerusalem? You know
that to me, I don't know what the significance of
that was, But having seen something witten at something so
like that with my very own eyes, it was not

(21:28):
hard for me to believe that that was actually a
real sighting. And the multiple vantage points, you know, videos
that were regular surface of that, it just you know,
if it wasn't, then whoever whoever made the video had
to have seen something themselves. You know, I've looked at
movies over the years of my lifetime and I can

(21:48):
firmly look at some of them and say, you know,
that's strange that they these people got that so right
when they did. And you know, that brings up another point.
You know, what is that intentional? Is that just by coincidence?
What is the human imagination? I mean, do we really
know where are these ideas really coming from? Are we
just piecing them together? Or is it a function of

(22:11):
something all more greater? So those are two accounts that
I've actually witnessed, and in seeing that in two thousand
and seven, it seemingly just confirmed. You know, It's like,
I believe myself this entire time, but you have your doubts.
But when you see it again as like an adult,

(22:31):
you know, now you're an adult, you have a more analyzing,
a rational mind. You say to yourself, Yeah, I can
trust that memory that happened, that there's some significance to this.
I even thought it was interesting that I would see
this almost ten years or so from my previous sighting.
You know, I don't know if there's any significance to that,

(22:52):
but it seemed as though it was meant for us
to see it. Seemed as though I didn't make the
connection at the time, but didn't hear so many accounts
on your show. It seemed as though it decided to
take off the second that I was about to audibly
acknowledge it. It just seemed like there was a lot
of it didn't seem to be coincidence. I'm thankful for it.

(23:15):
To be honest with you, I'm glad I haven't had
any of these experiences, or maybe I haven't I can't remember.
But these experiences that folks have had to terrify them,
I mean, not to me. It's been absolutely fascinating to
you know, inquire and wonder, and you know, I listened
to other people's accounts, and you know, you try to

(23:35):
piece together the puzzle and try to make sense of what,
you know, what actually is a play, you know, having
witnessed it, and it isn't far from me to make
the leap it. Okay, perhaps we are being visited by entities,
intelligent entities that aren't human. I look at it, I
hear different things, you know. I sit and I wonder,
I say, you know, what interest could these entities have

(23:58):
and human being? The power I've been able to witness
the technology. I don't think that there's a resource on
planet Earth other than just the sure data that we produce,
you know, being interested in how we think and how
we react and how we rationalize. I don't know what

(24:18):
other thing our planet could have that they could be
interested in if they were truly extraterrestrial. Now, if they are,
you know how some people have proposed maybe a race
that you know, maybe enter Earth or hidden race here
on the planet. That's another story. Yeah, I feel like
they're probably higher in morality to be able to have

(24:42):
such technology and not have destroyed, you know, destroyed themselves.
You know, when I look at this now, I know
people often always talk about propulsion. I'm curious as heck
how to help excuse it with my friends, But how
the heck do you navigate the cosmos and know where
you're going, you know, and make it back home. I
think that whatever technology allows them to do that, it

(25:02):
would be absolutely phenomenal. You know, you look at the
accounts of Roswell, and if you kind of take all
that as fact, you say to yourself, you know, I
would a raised with technology like that actually be brought
down unless it was intentional. You know, I don't know
that lightning would be enough to bring down a craft
that clearly displayed mastery of electromagnetism itself. You know, perhaps

(25:29):
in crashing that craft, it was completely intentional to seed
us with you know, technology to then you know, basically
giving us a puzzle to work on to kind of
unlock some feature in our own minds, you know. And
maybe the bodies that were recovered, you know, I've often
theorized in my own mind, maybe they don't even have

(25:50):
a fear of death, you know, maybe they can transfer
consciousness from body to body it will or you know,
you often hear about these things being referred to as
like androids. You know, maybe they don't have to go
across the universe. They can just upload themselves into this
once the ship makes it there, so they could stay
home and make it you know, with their families, or

(26:12):
I'd be curious along that line of thought, I'd be
curious to know what kind of culture they have, Do
they have art, do they have you know, what do
they do with their spare time? The way you know,
if you were to correlate it to ours and how
so much of our time and energy and effort is
is spent on entertainment. Do they have the same desire

(26:33):
to be entertained? You know, the questions just could go
on and on, but I think those are decent questions
to ask, and maybe good and responsible questions to ask
based on where we're at now. I think in twenty
twenty two, we've got to get beyond the bottleneck of
do these things exist? You know, there's so much, so

(26:55):
much footage out there available for anybody to look at
that I'm I'm of the belief that, you know, people
don't really necessarily need to be convinced as much as
they just need confirmation, you know. They some of the
more intricate details of people's accounts help bring a little
bit more focus to something that otherwise was you know,

(27:18):
had a lot of blur on it. Just being able
to have common data points and bounce how iteas off
of people. I think it's going to be what takes
us forward.

Speaker 5 (27:27):
You know, I don't think we need and I didn't
necessarily mean to get all this metaphysical, but as a species,
I don't think we need some nemesis in order to.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Ascend or want to evolve ourselves. You know, I think
maybe these interactions are meant to inspire us to you know,
go beyond the moon, and not only that literally, but
you know, take better care of the things that or

(28:00):
issues that are well within our grass. But you know,
we're just humanity hasn't been properly incentivized to want to
tackle you know, that's just my thought. You know, when
I look at I've always asked myself, you know, when
I look at these these beings and this technology, I said,

(28:21):
what what is the definition of power? You know, what
is real power? Once you get to this point is
in my mind, I've kind of reduced it down to
the ability to predict or influence the future. And you know,
if if you have real power, I don't think ah.

(28:47):
I think a lot of the evils that may exist
are from our own insecurities and perhaps in trying to
provide us with uh these this definition of power, you know,
better able for us to predict the events that may

(29:08):
occur on the future, and better equipped us to be
able to influence those futures. Maybe they're trying to help
get rid of some of those insecurities, to help, you know,
get us to the point where we could be more moral.

Speaker 6 (29:20):
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(29:47):
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Speaker 1 (30:44):
Well. Here's one interesting thing about that incident is for years,
since I first got the Internet, been looking online to
see if I can find any kind of reports about it,
and I didn't see anything. I didn't see anything, and
maybe six months to a year ago, I saw. You know,
there's a website I guess where they were able to

(31:06):
data mine and pull some of the move on reports off.
But I saw a guy who filed a report in
all being in Georgia on May the twenty six of
nineteen ninety six. In his account, he's ex military. I'll
send you over his report, man. But his account was
just so I want to say, gratifying. Maybe that's the

(31:27):
wrong word, but it was so reassuring when I read
his account, because from his perspective, it may have appeared
to be bar or cigar shaped, but the way he
you know, the craft I drew could have appeared that
way depending on what you know, your vantage point. But
the way he described the lights, and I believe even

(31:49):
the number of lights that he mentioned was to a t.
You know, he mentioned a whitish light on both ends
of the cigar, and he meant in the you know,
changing color lights pulsating changing randomly changing color lights in between,
and that was a feature you know that I kind

(32:09):
of kept to myself, you know, I told my brother
or you know that I never publicly publicized it or
made a report anywhere. So to see to read his
report and just get that confirmation because that's such a
specific detail, you know, just it really made me again

(32:31):
have that confidence and be able to say, you know,
maybe I do need to reach out to you or
somebody and make a report so somebody else might hear
something I'm saying and get the same confident. And here's
another interesting thought. I meant to mention this when I
was talking about the craft, but in the drawing, I
kind of draw the lights, those colored lights kind of

(32:54):
in a projecting pattern. When I drew it like that,
that's just how I remembered it in my mind and memory,
the lights having a weird effect. But I never put
two and two together until more recently. I actually have,
you know, one of the more advanced HD laser projectors.
I have a hunch, but I feel like that technology

(33:16):
may be derived from something that, you know, if they
happen to be able to reverse engineer or any of
these craft from something like that only craft. It really
got me wondering and saying, like, perhaps these lights aren't
meant as marker lights, or you know, perhaps it's intrinsic
to the propulsion itself, or perhaps you know their cat

(33:39):
those lights the way they change color. Maybe that's you know,
providing image projection or cloaking feature. So you know, just
that's I thought I had. Maybe I wanted to put
it out there, maybe somebody else will, so you know,
maybe maybe that is what's going on with us, because
the lights, you know, as a kid, it's just you know,
it's just changing. I just figured maybe they just wanted

(34:02):
their ships to look cool, like we might want, you know,
stuff to look cool. But going back and just reassessing
the image and the effect that it had, yeah, I
really think it may be something intrinsic to how the
craft operates. And I know on one of your other shows,
I think the title was They're out There, a gentleman

(34:23):
mentioned seeing a craft very similar to what I described.
I think he kind of described it as that Millennium
falcon with extended forks on it. His description was very similar,
and he mentioned I didn't draw it on the image,
but he mentioned the Hayes kind of surrounding the craft,
which is another kind of distinct feature that I remember seeing.

(34:43):
And I remember that the way that the lights kind
of reacted on the haze just seemed to produce colors
that you know, I couldn't even you know, you don't
really have words to describe, and I've heard a lot
of guests say that as well. And as I grew
in age, you know, I've never been to Alaska, but
when I see videos of their warld borealities, I feel

(35:06):
like that's very similar. That effect was very similar to
the haze that I saw on the ship, which you know,
I researched what causes the world borealis and it's, you know,
the electromagnetic feel of the earth. So, you know, I
think there's something to that, especially when you know, when
I hear people have stories and they mentioned distinct details

(35:30):
like that, to me, it's very telling that that you know,
they definitely saw what it is that they saw. You know,
I mentioned in the email too. I kind of forgot
about this too, but I mentioned that the gifted program
that I was a member of, And the reason I
did is because in my mind, where I stored these memories,
these childhood memories of the UFO siding, I also had

(35:52):
these memories of going to this program, which was a
gifted program. To join the program, you know, you had
to take a ten or something some sort of centers
to us. The school elementary school that I ended up
going to as a child was a Magnet school for
math and science. So I believe I had the test
to get in that, and they took the scores from

(36:13):
that and I became eligible for this gifted program. You know,
I distinctly remember going, I remember getting picked up once
a week, but I can't my memories about what we did.
There are only feelings, and I distinctly remember feeling for
the first time in my life sentence. I don't mean
to sound egotistical or anything like that by any means,

(36:35):
but you know, up to that point, school was just
a place to go hang out with friends. It wasn't
that challenging to me, but those were the first place
I ever felt somewhat intellectually technologically overwhelmed. I mean, I
distinctly remember them giving us some sort of basic circuit.
It has some sort of complications in it or something,

(36:55):
but we were supposed to solve how to get the
circuit to work, and reason we know it, A light
bulb would come on, you know, as a kid, I
was like, all right, you know, all right, let's let's
get at it. Kind of had us in groups, and
I just remember having this eerie feeling there just always
being observed and always being I don't know, just overwhelmed
with the subject matter of the day. Well, you know

(37:18):
when I told when I was talking to my mom
about some of these stories and whatnot, you know, before
I bring up the UFO stuff to her, I kind
of mentioned the skipted program and she's like, you know,
I don't remember that. Maybe you just dreamed that or something.
And I'm like, you know, I'm in fending. I'm like,
I don't dream, don't dream stuff up. What are you
talking about? So I went off and I had to

(37:39):
go look. You know, I told myself, I need to
go look this up because I know this happened. And
my younger brother he remembered it, and I remember, you know,
distinct conversations with my parents about it because my mom,
being an educator, she was so proud because I had
quote unquote tested in the ninety ninth percentile, and you know,
she was kind of bragging about that, and I didn't
even know what a percent how it was at that age,

(38:01):
but you know, it's kind of cool. I remember it
making my mom proud, so that memory was kind of
burned in my own image. So I go and I
do some research and I was actually able to look
the program up online, and when I was reading through it,
I was, you know, there it was. It said, in
order to get in it kindergarten, you have, you know,
students have to test in the ninety ninth percentile and

(38:24):
you know some sort of you know, basic kind of
academic test, and then there's another test that you had too.
And then on top of that, parents had to submit
a nomination for him. And it's had some basic questions
on it, and you know, the questions on it I
found to be very interesting. Now I'll sing you a

(38:45):
copy of this. I don't know that I wanted to
put these people on the class like that, but I'll
sing you official copy of this so you could read
through it yourself. But it just felt interesting to me
when I read this parent nomination forum and I was
reading over the program, that my mom would file these
memories in the same drawer, if that makes sense. Alongside

(39:06):
the UFO incident. At the time, I never connected going
to this to having anything to do with UFOs or anything.
You know. I was just happy to get out of
class once a week and you know, they come pick
us up from school and it was a really nice van.
I remember, you know, the van was white, had work

(39:28):
in ac which was something you know, normal after school
programs had vans that didn't work, so that you know,
it was a new van, and there weren't many kids
on it. But you know, we'd go to this place
and we'd be presented with stuff. A lot of my
memories around this place are similar. You know, it's like
that same headache that I mentioned earlier when trying to

(39:51):
remember aspects of the UFO incident. But I distinctly remember
the way I felt and I went to this place
where you know, I was in this program for three years,
but I always felt like a cold atmosphere. They're a
very sterile atmosphere, almost like you're in a hospital. You know.
My mind like likens it to the images of eleven

(40:12):
and stranger things. You know, it's like not as creepy.
You know, we weren't in nightgowns or anything like that,
but we were in rooms and they would you know,
come in with weird stuff for us to solve that
seemed to be very advanced to be introduced, you know,
it to having it. Kindergartens do this. But when you

(40:33):
go to this website even today. I mean, that seems
to be the mission state of what they're trying to do.
If you go to the overview of it, that's one
incident or one activity that I can vividly remember. A
lot of those memories. Do feel the same type block
that I have about some of the memory some of
the aspects of the UFO incident, Which maybe that's why

(40:56):
my brain filed these two memories together. I don't know,
but as an adult reading through this questionnaire looking at
the goals of the program, you know it says, you know,
the long range goals of the program are self actualization
for the gifted student and the development of a sense

(41:16):
of responsibility to self, school and society. That's pretty deep
to me to have kindergarteners doing. I'm not saying it
was a bad thing. In fact, I honestly look at
it and feel like they may have been absolutely successful,
because I mean, I was only in the program for
three years. But I do tend to think about or
feel a sense of responsibility towards society and wanting to

(41:40):
make the world a better place and wanting to find
solutions to the problems that we face. So maybe a
program worked but I will say, I mean, you know,
reading through some of those questions, I find it very
interesting because all my life, even watching, you know, in entertainment,
I've always you know, a certain storyline and have always

(42:02):
resonated with me, you know, and you know, to have
this experience myself that you know, even my mom can't
really recall, which is strange. But to have this experience
and the file it, you know, have these two events
take place in such close proximity of each other. Yeah,
I think it's more than probably a coincidence. And when

(42:24):
I heard your guests on they called me, oh, and
he said, you know, all his life, he's always thought,
you know, he's like a ninja or something. I laugh
when I heard it, but only because it was so true.
I mean, I've never thought that I was better than
anybody or anything like that. But I've always felt like
I've had these you know, reflexes, or my mind will

(42:45):
analyze things in a way. I mean to correlate it
to video games, you know, I've always excelled at video games.
I've always been a handout. Coordination has always been a
tool that I've been able to rely on in many
different environments and to see that question on this questionnaires,

(43:06):
like you're asking, you know, part of their requirements to
get in this are well, I don't want to say requirements,
but part of what they're interested in is to know
if your child has good hand eye coordination or seeks
to dominate others, whatever that means. You know, it's interesting.
The questionnaire seems very off. It seems off the beaten
path from what I'm used to and have experienced since.

(43:29):
You know, maybe it's a coincidence, maybe it's not. But
that UFO incident happened a year after I left this program.
And the reason I left the program is because my
younger brother. The school I went to, you know, everybody
had to test to get in for some reason. You know,
I guess my younger brother didn't test quite high enough
to get in, which is crazy to me. I mean,

(43:50):
the kid's super smart and has graduated from very distinguished
university since then, but he didn't test it. You know,
my younger brother has always been my number one partner
in crime, and I wanted, you know, I wanted to
go to school with him, so I asked my mom
to get us into school where we can go to
one together. I ended up changing schools and changing districts,

(44:13):
and I left this program. So who knows, maybe my
mind knew, maybe there is some link, and maybe it
was just them coming to check up on me to
see if I've made any progress. I don't know, but
it was definitely the two things definitely happened. I definitely
went to this and was able to show my mom
and you know, she's like, oh, yeah, I don't know

(44:33):
why I couldn't remember that my dad remembered it. Brothers.
And also this event that happened when I was a kid.
I mean, it truly happened. Luckily, I told my younger
brother about it, and you know, a few other my friends,
and then through life I told other people. So I've
been able to always kind of peer review my own story.

(44:54):
You know, I can go to these folks and say,
you know, do you remember the way I recounted you know,
the story to you, And sometimes, you know, they're able
to provide information that I might not have, you know,
recalled as well. Sometimes things stick out in their head
as being you know, specifically unique and interesting that I otherwise,
you know, I might be more focused on some other

(45:15):
aspects of the story. So it's definitely been a benefit
or plus talking about it to good friends and family,
And I often wonder, I mean, maybe that'd be another
benefit to finally get in some true disclosure to this matter. Yeah,
I've often been curious if maybe some of the things
that you know, the mental illness and afflictions that people

(45:38):
deal with, could be the result of not being able
to rationalize their own truth in a sense, you know,
maybe some of these events occur and because it's not
the event itself, but it's the backlash or a passion
or the counter program and the experience from society that
they end up convincing themselves that they're or when they're not.

(46:01):
So I definitely think there's a huge plus to what
you're doing. Get some fresh material out there, get some
fresh thoughts on the matter, and you know, I'm whatever
the truth is, I'm interested to know it. You know, whatever,
it can't hurt us anymore than what we already are.
I mean, we're here, we're alive, we're able to talk
about it. So I don't think you know, they always

(46:22):
talk about the report where they say society would just
crumble if this would be main public. I don't buy that.
I think society may actually benefit from such knowledge because
humanity is a whole gain and perspective and realize that
some of the things we argue and fight over and
think are just really important. Not to disrespect anybody's belief,

(46:45):
but they're not that important. I've often joked and told
people I was like, I don't think if you believe
in God, I don't think he really is that concerned
with some of the things we choose to squabble over
around the nature of you know, his existence, or I
don't know. I mean, I'm no preacher. I don't want
to try to lead anybody down any particular path, but

(47:05):
I do think that society would definitely benefit from the
knowledge because the knowledge is the truth, and the truth
would give us a better put us in a better
position to be able to forecast and influence our own future.
So I'm hoping that this is dropping a much larger
bucket of information occurring over time, and hopefully it'll resonate

(47:29):
on someone else and maybe they have similar experiences and
they have more to add to these accounts. Whenever you
have experiences like this, I feel like your whole life,
you're trying to fill in the gaps I've always tried
to be able to at least pencil in a line
from what I consciously remember and can recall versus me

(47:50):
trying to fill in the gaps and make sense of
it to myself. So you know, I'll hold on to
those things, and you know, continue to listen and see
if any of those things are confirmed from fellow fellow witnesses,
fellow observers.

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Speaker 3 (49:14):
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Speaker 4 (49:25):
Okay, take us back to nineteen ninety six when you
saw this this object. Now you saw it from a window,
is that right?

Speaker 1 (49:32):
Yep? So I was looking If you look at the
drawing and provide it, that's essentially my mind's a best
perspective of me looking out the window. I didn't take
the time drawing the blinds. You know, we had those
kind of blinds, but they always left them cracked open
because you know, I've always been at night oul and
the best way for me to go to sleep sometimes

(49:53):
would be just kind of looking up at the Georgia
Skuy and you know, falling asleep. So, you know, I
was laying in bed and I remember feeling you know,
at the time, I said, it felt like ants are
crawling on me. And you know, that's one of those
things you kind of wake up and you're like, you know,
you're kind of brushing your arms like it's something crawling

(50:14):
on me. But instantly I was mesmerized by what I
saw through the bonds, you know, out the window, and
I kind of, you know, used my finger to peek
through and remember looking out and seeing this craft. And
then you know, after some time. It's hard to say
because the image is so firmly kind of burned in

(50:35):
my mind like a photograph that you know, it's like
a still image. You can how long does it last?
Just it could last for atturning, you know, as long
as I could have been looking at it for ten seconds,
I could have been looking at for an hour. It's
hard for me to say, but I do feel like
because my mind feels, you know, I felt like I
did at some point see the craft in motion because

(50:58):
I feel like the fork section would have been the
front of the craft. So maybe I'm not sure how
long I was looking at it, but I feel like
I did see it at some point in the sky
leaving going fork first.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
Okay, I know how far was it off the ground.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
I don't feel like it touched the ground because I
could see grass. You know, It's kind of hard to
tell because I used colors to kind of simulate the
mood and that that that image I drew of looking
out the window at night. But there's a grass patch
that was between our house and the neighbor's house and
from the perspective, you know, I tried to even go

(51:36):
back and estimate like how long this thing would would
have been. You know, we we owned a suburban back
at this time, so I would have estimated the fork
sections to be about two to three lengths of a
suburban and maybe as wide. You know, it wasn't that wide,
maybe with the space included as wide as two suburbans

(51:58):
or maybe three, so not like a super huge craft.
I hear some people talk about, I'm happy to have
this one as well, because, you know, unlike the one
in two thousand and seven where we you know, we
saw a distinct point of light, I was actually able
to see a craft of the shape a vehicle, and
it was so unlike anything I'd ever seen. Her reported

(52:20):
I may have sent it in the email. I mean,
I've scoured the internet and here recently I've seen photographs
that seem like they could be similar to what I saw.
Very distinct. The lighting on it was very, very very distinct.
And again I liking it now with this so many
more years of experience to our DLP high definition projector

(52:43):
bulbs that you know, if you own a projector and
you've ever had to change one of those, it's very
interesting in the way they work. There's a bulb and
there's a color wheel, and I'm not really sure, you know,
beyond that the technology other than I want to say
they use a high voltage going through some type of mercury.
Don't quote me on that per se, but I want

(53:05):
to say a lot of the bulbs use some type
of mercury with high voltage going through it to create
such an intense and distinct light, and that light's able
to produce, you know, some of the most crisp imagery,
and you know, you go to Imax theaters and in
doing a quick Wikipedia like backdrop on the history of

(53:25):
these this bulb technology and looking at the timing of it,
I mean, it's very plausible that maybe, you know, this
technology was derived from something observed or obtained from one
of these type of craft, but I don't think, you know,
I feel like it had a purpose. I couldn't tell
you what it was, but it definitely had a purpose.

(53:47):
It was very very weird. Sit ain't very distinct, you know,
it was so different from everything I read. I she said,
I don't know, maybe it's just a one off. And
it wasn't until you know, I was able to years later,
get all this confirmation that I'm like this. I felt
confident enough to come forward and tell it to somebody else,
so to make sure I'm not poisoning the well.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
And you think it's possible that you know, you had
this siting at the time, and you're in this ge program,
and do you think there's possibly some connection.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
I do, my gut, my intuition, something in me tells
me it does. The memories are filed in such a
way in my mind and have been since then that now,
with the wisdom I have, I do feel like they
probably were. It does make me believe that, yeah, these

(54:39):
two events could have been linked. And I don't know
if that means that maybe the vehicle I saw was
some sort of secret governmental vehicle, or if you know,
maybe that has something to do with what they're here.
You know, what these entities are after either improving our
ability to think, observing our ability to think, observing our

(55:00):
form of logic, I mean, there's just the possibilities I
think are endless as far as what differences may have
occurred in the two different civilizations and why observing them
noting them may have been of interest slash entertainment use
Who knows? You hear so many of your guests talk,
and I do get the feeling like we're all probably

(55:24):
a lot more alike than we are different. I think
some of the questions we ask, the intrinsic spiritual questions,
are not unique per se us. So I think there
would be value even if you had superior technology to
observe how another isolated, you know, group of sentient beings

(55:44):
that you respected because you understood sentience and consciousness, so
you saw them more as brothers. But I think, yeah,
I think if I were them, you know, just using
my ability to kind of empathize from their position, I
would be curious to see how we thought, how we
dealt with, you know, maybe the plight of our circumstance,

(56:06):
how we found ways to enjoy life even though we
don't have all the technology that they have. I think
those things could be both interesting and useful. Maybe that's
why I link these two. Maybe they're you know, you
hear about people being I hear a lot of stories
about people being having contact very young ages and interactions
and saying, you know, they've seen screens or been received

(56:29):
instruction from being So yeah, I think it's totally plausible.
Other people will look at you know, I'm sure these
programs aren't anything unique. I mean, they don't even they're
not operating in any clandestine ways. So I'm sure there's
a lot of people who have been in similar programs
across the country and even the world. So maybe maybe,

(56:52):
you know, they'll come forward with similar testimony and say, hey,
you know, I thought I was the only one, but
I did see something weird when I was in this.
I remember being in this program, and you know, I
don't necessarily believe it was anything the fariest going on,
but yeah, I remember being in this you know, they
made come forward, and I remember being in this program
where you know, we were introduced to advanced things and

(57:16):
you know, asked to see things at a different perspective,
and yeah, you know, I think that's totally possible.

Speaker 4 (57:22):
Do you remember how many other children were with you
in that program?

Speaker 1 (57:26):
You know, that's the interesting thing. I don't I remember
the ride the van. You know, I remember it being
a white van. I remember not very many people being
on the van when we went, you know, when I
got picked up from the school, which was interesting, and
you know, I just always felt isolated, which is weird
for me. In elementary school, I always you know, I
have a lot of friends that I can remember to

(57:48):
this day, their names this day. You know, kindergarten teachers,
I can remember, you know, my kindergarten teacher's name to
this day. I can't tell you the name of one
kid at this facility, which is very strange to me.
Feel like I would have been the type to make
at least one buddy. But I always did feel a
very heightened sense of competitiveness there too, So maybe, you know,

(58:13):
I don't know, maybe we were all thought we were
just trying to be, you know, the best or something.
I don't know, but I couldn't tell you. I mean,
it wasn't a large number of people. Could have been five,
could have been fifteen. It wasn't the size of my
normal classroom at all. So I would definitely say under
fifteen kids.

Speaker 4 (58:33):
So these fans would actually would pick you up at
school and take you to a different location.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
Yes, one day, you know, I went and I was
kind of sifting through your website. But yeah, and they
still to this day picked the kids up one day
a week. Yeah, that's what they did, you know, back
in the nineties. One day a week. They would come
pick us up from our normal school and we'd be
gone pretty much all day. And the memory of it
was so true, and they have it once kind of

(58:58):
I don't want to say question, like, you know, I
would have figured my mom would have remembered it to
be able to go in and research it and find
it and verify it and print it off and say boom,
you remember now, and you know, they're like, yeah, of course, yeah,
I remember now. You know, just to it gives you
that confidence to know you can trust your memory, you
can trust you know what you saw. That's probably one

(59:21):
of the hardest things. When you see things like this
is you You say yourself, am I awake?

Speaker 2 (59:26):
You know?

Speaker 1 (59:27):
What does it even mean to be awake? This seems
like it should be placed in our dream. So if
this is real, then what are dreams? You know, it's
life one big dream. I mean, you could go real
far down the rabbit hole. But I think you know,
to have to be able to say to yourself, hey, this,
I can't explain how this happened, but I can trust

(59:48):
my mind and my senses to know that it did.
I think it's definitely liberating for a lot of people.
And maybe that's you know, a lot of that sense
of having completed some tasks that a lot of people
feel whenever they come and get their testimonial. You know,
it's a matter of being able to say, this happened,

(01:00:09):
and it's there, it's out there. Someone else's got me
to this, help with through their confirmations, got me to
this point, and now I'm doing you know, I'm doing
my part to get somebody else there. I do think
provides people with a sense of relief and you know,
like a sense of completion and resolve. Drew.

Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
I really appreciate you coming on sharing your experiences for
our listeners.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Oh man, I appreciate it, and I appreciate what you do.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
Man, keep going, good stuff. You enjoy the rest of
your day now, Drew. Okay, and I'll talk to you soon,
all right, you too. Okay, take care, brother.

Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
That's your lot for today. As always, keep updated and
connected with the show on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, and
if you haven't encounter to share on the podcast, you
can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com
or you can reach out to me via the contact
page on my web site at ufo Chronicles podcast dot com.

(01:01:03):
A big thank you to Drew for sharing tonight, and
thank you all for listening. Till I see you next week.
Stay safe, we'll keep watching Uskies.

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
Goodbye,