Ep.188 Pulled Out Of My Body (Throwback)

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Tonight's guest is Vincent in Brazil, Vincent has had several personal encounters with aliens and other entities; he began practising astral projection when he was young and believes this opened him up to contact with these beings.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
You'll be away five seventeen.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Do you want to report a UFO hanging in?

Speaker 1 (00:05):
We don't want.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
To report every thirty one.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Do you wish to report a.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
UFO over hey, we want to one of those areas
thirty one.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
Do you wish to find a report of any kind
of it?

Speaker 2 (00:18):
I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds, time areas
thirty one me neither there were self if it was
anythy uh above us to pass us?

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Like thirty seconds ago, we were sending one top of
golf negative, okay, OFFI the UFO.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, it's murder two nine o'clock. Yes, I'll just passed over.
I go.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
I don't know what it was, but it's from at
least to three thousand feet above us.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
See, I passed out over the top of us ninety
one one. You just called both to be be four.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
They're after staying the airplanes.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
He swear to God, calm on an unidentified object every
liberty or call or calm on an unidentified flying object.
All right, we'll.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
Welcome to UFO Chronicles, a place where people share their
experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had an encounter,
I would like to be on the show. You can
email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com. Hello everyone,

(01:49):
and welcome to the show. Wherever in the world you
are listening from, how are you all? Tonight's guest is
Vincent in Brazil. Vincent has had some brought personal encounters
with aliens and other entities, and he began practicing astral
projection when he was young and believe this opened him
up to contact with these beings. Vincent up next. If

(02:13):
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with the show, Vincent, and welcome to the show.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Hey, thanks for having me.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
You are more than welcome and calling from Brazil today.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yeah, that's right. I'm from New Jersey, but I've been
living in Brazil for the past about nine years.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
Now, nine years. Okay, wonderful Vincent, you're going to be
sharing a few of your encounters with our wonderful listeners.
Would you like to start the beginning please?

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Yeah? Sure. So I started having paranormal experiences when I
was fourteen years old. So when I was fourteen, I
started practicing astrail projection and this opened me up to
all kinds of paranormal encounters. I mean, I was regularly
having experiences with shadow beings and aliens, malicious spirits, ghosts,

(03:57):
you know, deceased relatives, you know, the whole spectrum, like
from good to bad, like negative entities and also like
positive higher spiritual entities. You know, there were a lot
of really frightening encounters, but you know there are even
more incredible experiences, like really profound transformational experiences. And you

(04:21):
know what's interesting about astral projection is it allows you
to directly experience the paranormal because you're essentially entering paranormal territory.
You're entering realms, levels of reality in which these paranormal
entities exist, like you're entering their turf. You know that

(04:42):
might be frightening to some, but for me. I was
always very curious and open minded, and I just wanted
to explore and see what was out there, and you know,
discover what the true nature of reality is beyond this
physical world and beyond the physical body. And I basically
made that my mission. So, you know, over the past
twenty two years, I've been practicing this, and yeah, I've

(05:05):
had some pretty wild encounters along the years. So I
think that before I actually get into my experiences, I
should explain the context of them so that everyone understands
exactly what's going on. In terms of astral projection, So

(05:26):
what this is is is essentially a type of out
of body experience in which your consciousness leaves the physical
body and travels into higher dimensions of reality. And so
reality basically consists of a spectrum of different dimensions that
exists at different frequencies of energy. And you know, it's

(05:48):
similar to how there are different frequencies of light and
we can only perceive a limited range of these frequencies
and the rest of the light spectrum, like infrared X ray,
these are to us, but they still exist. So in
the same way, there are these higher dimensions of reality
that are beyond our perception when we're grounded in the

(06:09):
physical body. But when you have an out of body experience,
your consciousness enters these higher dimensions. So you know, like
I said, these dimensions exist in a spectrum, and the
closer the non physical dimension is to the physical dimension,
the more similar it appears to the physical world. And

(06:31):
I consider these to be the lower dimensions because they
exist at a lower frequency on the spectrum of non
physical reality, whereas the farther the dimension is from the
physical dimension, and the higher the frequency is compared to
the physical world, the more reality starts to diverge from

(06:56):
the physical world, the more unique and unusual and attract
that dimension is. So when you astral project, your consciousness
transfers from the physical body into the energy body. The
energy body is almost like the spiritual counterpart of the

(07:18):
physical body. You know, some people might call it the
spirit body, or the astral body, or the soul, but
essentially this is the non physical body that you occupy
during out of body experiences. And so the energy body
separates from the physical body, and you navigate the astral

(07:38):
dimension from within this energy body in the same way
that we navigate the physical dimension from within our our
physical bodies. So yeah, if that all that makes sense,
I can jump right into my experiences.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yeah, please do sure.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
So when I first started my practice, I began encountering
entities which are commonly called shadow beings or shadow people.
And this was, you know, from the very beginning. And
these entities seem to exist in the lower dimensions, particularly

(08:17):
in in like the lowest dimension, like the dimension that's
just slightly higher than the physical dimension. And you know,
this could explain why, you know, some people claim to
see these these shadow beings like in the in the
physical world while they're you know, awake, and there could
be some type of overlapping between these two dimensions in

(08:40):
these cases because they are so close to one another.
So in the beginning, you'll typically project into these lower dimensions.
And as I said, I started to encounter these shadow
beings and they would be there waiting for me to
leave my body. I would float out of my body

(09:03):
and I would be face to face with these giant entities,
I mean giant. They were over seven feet tall, and
they appeared to be these big, dark like silhouettes, like
a giant shadow, and they were really frightening. Sometimes they
would just be standing there facing me, and you know,

(09:25):
even that alone was enough to to scare me right
back into my body. But in other times they would
actually come after me, like try to grab me. And
there seems to be a type of this reflex that
takes place when you experience a heightened state of fear
while you're out of body and you immediately snap back

(09:48):
into your body. It's almost like a protection mechanism. So
you know, in the beginning, I would you know, encounter
these entities and I would be so scared I would
just snap right back into my body. But over time,
so many experiences with these shadow beings, I started to
realize that they weren't going to hurt me because they

(10:11):
would have already done it. And you know, I was
really motivated to progress in my out of body practice
and I was tired of these entities holding me back.
So I took a new approach. And I discovered that
if I just remained calm and ignored them and continued
with the experience, then I would shift into a dimension

(10:34):
that was higher than the dimension that these shadow beings existed,
and they'd be gone. You know, it was like their
presence it would trigger a fear response which would hold
me at this lower dimension. But by releasing that fear,
I was able to project beyond this lower level. You know,
eventually I started to completely bypass this lower dimension and

(10:59):
I stopped countering these shadow beings all together. Yeah, that
was That was the first phase of my astral projections.
It was essentially characterized by encounters by these shadow beings
and projections into dimensions that looked very similar to the

(11:19):
physical world. And you know, I would go out just exploring,
you know, nothing too profound was taking place in the beginning.
After a while, I started to encounter these other entities.
And these entities looked like aliens, the typical gray alien.

(11:39):
They didn't have gray skin. They had like a light
orange skin. But it was similar to my experiences with
the shadow beings because they seemed to always be there
waiting for me as I would project from my body.
But these entities were far more frightening to me than

(12:03):
the shadow beings because they seem to truly radiate with
this sinister energy and they would affect me with this energy.
They would almost like zap me with this energy and
it would paralyze me. It would be such a frightening
experience just to be laying there and I, you know,

(12:24):
couldn't move and I was fighting off you know, this
really uncomfortable. It was almost it was uncomfortable, almost to
the point of being painful, this really strong energy just
coursing through me. And so this really strong, uncomfortable energy
would be coursing through me, It almost had an artificial

(12:46):
quality to it. Now, the thing is, with astral projection,
you experience an energetic state. It's commonly called vibrations, and
this happens just before you set rate from the body.
It's essentially the feeling of the energy body separating from
the physical body, and it feels like strong vibrations, strong

(13:09):
buzzing energy coursing through your body. But that was a
completely different experience than the energy that these aliens would
affect me with. And there was a real tangible difference
in the quality and the feeling of the energy. And
I knew, I could tell, I could sense. It was
like this intuition. It was like this knowing that this

(13:30):
energy was coming directly from them, and they had bad
intentions and these entities, you know that looked like aliens.
They essentially stalked me. You know, I would leave my
body and they'd be standing around my bed. Sometimes they
would actually like rip me out of my body. Like

(13:52):
I'd be laying in bed just meditating, and I would
feel hands grab my ankles, and you know, in this
meditative state, I would be in an altered state of consciousness.
So what I was feeling it was actually not my
physical body being affected, but it was it was my
energy body. I was tapped into to that level of

(14:14):
my consciousness, and and I would feel hands on my
ankles and they would start to push and pull and
sway me, and eventually they would rip me right out
of my body. And and these entities they would they
would take me places, and it was totally against my will.
You know, I didn't ask for it. And just the

(14:35):
fact that they were taking me out of my body
against my will raised a red flag, you know, right away,
And you know, I would usually re enter my body
because I did not trust these entities. I knew something
was off about about these experiences. And yeah, at times

(14:56):
I would be out of my body and they would
chase me, like they would literally chase me, and I
would be fleeing from them. But it was a similar
progression that happened with the Shadow beings because I was
never really hurt by them. I mean at times like
they would grab me and I would feel a painful
sensation in my energy body, like a real tangible pain.

(15:21):
But I decided to go with the experiences and to
stop fighting them off. And what started to happen is
that I started to communicate with these entities. It was
like a telepathic link would open between us, and they
would start sharing this information and knowledge with me, which

(15:41):
was was pretty interesting. And you know, it didn't really
change the fact that I didn't trust them. I didn't
trust their intentions, and I never really had a truly
positive experience with them. But I did have experiences where
they would they would show me like some technology that
they had, and it was it was cool and interesting,
but you know, nothing really profound there. But I did

(16:04):
have experiences with other types of entities that also looked
like aliens. And you know, I'm reluctant to call them
aliens just because I don't know their origin. So you know,
in our society and our culture, we call aliens. These
entities that you know, most think they're from another planet,

(16:26):
maybe they're from another dimension. You know, they have the
the big black guys, the small, skinny bodies, you know,
gray aliens, and they had a similar appearance to these entities, so,
you know, for lack of a better term, I consider
them to be aliens. Although I would always encounter these

(16:47):
entities during my astral projections. They seem to operate in
the astral dimension. I don't know if that's like their
home base or if they're like us and they're actually
physical entities, but they can also you know, project their
consciousness into these other levels of reality. I'm not sure

(17:07):
what the case is, but some of these other experiences
with different types of alien entities were actually pretty profound.
I had this one experience when you know, I was
out of my body and I was a bored some
kind of spacecraft. I was out in space. I was
out in the middle of the universe with these entities

(17:30):
and they looked like aliens, almost like gray aliens, but
they had like a light blueskin and they were sharing
this knowledge with me. It was it was almost like
like a download directly into my mind. And some of
this knowledge was just so far beyond what I was

(17:50):
able to actually comprehend. I knew there's this state that
you can experience while you're in and higher dimensions where
it's like you have a direct connection with truth, like
with the source of truth and knowledge, and you have
this state of knowing that's totally unlike what we can

(18:14):
experience here in the physical world. So I knew this information,
this knowledge they were sharing with me, was true, but
I also knew that it was just so far beyond
my grass my comprehension, you know, in terms of you know,

(18:34):
we have to kind of use physical world concepts to
make sense of things, right, and some of this stuff
was just so far beyond that. And you know, I
knew that this knowledge was was being downloaded and like
stored in some like deep level of my mind, but
I just couldn't put my finger on it. But I

(18:57):
did take away some things, some things I was able
to understand, and one of them was that they told
me that before this life that I'm currently living, I
made an agreement with these aliens, almost like a contract.
Maybe you've heard soul contracts. It was like that, And

(19:21):
I made an agreement with them before this life to
have a relationship with them during this life. And you know,
the details of this agreement. I don't recall what they
were but I am certain that they shared this knowledge

(19:43):
with me, and you know, in that state, I experienced
the truth of that. And I had this other experience
where I was out of my body and this entity
appeared before me, and it was also some type of alien.
It was a different type of alien, different from any

(20:04):
of the other ones I had previously encountered. And this
alien approached me and a telepathic link opened between us,
and again it was like I got this download of
knowledge and information but also experiences and memories. It kind
of opened my consciousness to this other aspect of myself

(20:28):
that I was unaware of, and I started having these
memories of It. Sounds a little out there to some,
but it was made known. It was made known to
me that I am concurrently living a life in another

(20:49):
dimension of reality as a member of this particular alien species,
if that's what you want to call it. In another life,
I am this entity, the same type of entity that
was before me, and I had like a close bond

(21:11):
with this entity that was standing in front of me
sharing this with me, and it was such a mind
blowing experience. This entity came up to me and wrapped
its arms around me, and as it did that I
experienced like this explosion of energy from within me, and
it was this energy of love and bliss, and it

(21:33):
almost felt like I was exploding into like a million pieces.
It was so intense. And you know, I've had other
experiences which have you know, given credit to this idea
of having other lives, you know, you know, other lives
on earth, other lives and other systems of reality and

(21:56):
other dimensions.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
When was the first time that you what she projected?

Speaker 1 (22:01):
The first time I projected It was back when I
was fourteen, and it was it was about a week.
It was a little less than a week into my
first attempts, and so, you know, I came across the
idea of out of body experiences on the internet, you know,
just by chance, and I thought it was so interesting.

(22:24):
I wanted to do it myself. And I found a
method on this website and I tried it, and within
a week I was able to leave my body. And yeah,
that was back when I was fourteen.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
Can you run us through the technique that you used?

Speaker 1 (22:38):
Sure? Well. The first technique I used involved a meditation
and the goal was to induce your body to fall
asleep while keeping your mind awake and So this technique
was used at night, you know, before bed, you'd lay

(23:01):
down on your back and you would progressively tense and
relax all the muscles through your body and that would
induce a deep state of relaxation, and then you would
do some kind of meditation which would quiet your mind.
And the idea was that you want your mind to

(23:21):
become so quiet that it triggers your body to fall asleep.
So you can you know, there are different particular techniques
of doing that. You know, you can focus on your breath,
you can kind of visualize some object or some kind
of sensation. You know, you can induce a feeling, like

(23:43):
a feeling of falling or maybe climbing a ladder something
like that. Now, this particular method, you know, like I said,
it was the first one I used, and it wasn't
the easiest one. You know, it took almost an hour
for me to have my first projection using this method.
But very soon after this, I found another method which

(24:07):
was far more effective, way easier, way faster. And this
method you do in the early morning, and it's more
effective because in the early morning, your body and mind
are already in the ideal state to project from your body.
And this is because you know you want your body

(24:28):
to fall asleep. So in the early morning, let's say
five or six hours after falling asleep, you know you
don't want a full night's rest, You want to wake
up maybe a couple hours before you would normally wake up. Well,
at this time, it's pretty easy for your body to
fall back asleep. It's already very deeply relaxed, but your

(24:48):
mind is also rested. You know, after five or six
hours of sleep, your mind has gotten a decent amount
of rest, so it's much easier to keep your mind
a li alert, aware and conscious during the projection. Whereas
you know, if you do it at night, well, your
body's tired, but so is your mind, so it's a

(25:10):
lot harder to remain aware. And you know a lot
of times you tried at night and you'll just fall asleep.
So doing this technique in the early morning is a
lot more effective.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
And did it ever worry you that that once you
leave your body that you may not be able to return.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Well.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
Before I started practicing this, I read a book about it,
and you know, I read some other information you know,
on certain websites about it, and from what I understood
that was just not possible. And you know, after after

(25:53):
years of my own experiences, you know, I now know
for a fact that that's not possible, and you know
it's understandable. You know, if you go into it without
having any prior knowledge, then you know that could be
a concern. But that's just not the way it works.

(26:13):
You know, consciousness is, you know, it's integrated with the body.
Even during the projections, you're not leaving your body as
like an empty shell. There is actually an aspect of
your consciousness, of your mind that is still integrated at
the level of the physical body. What actually happens is

(26:37):
your consciousness actually kind of splits off and it gets
pretty complex. But what happens is your consciousness splits off
into multiple levels of reality, into multiple dimensions simultaneously. And
so during these projections, you know, you're typically only aware

(26:59):
of just one of these aspects of your consciousness, but
in reality, there are many different aspects of your consciousness
projecting out into various planes of existence. And you know,
over the years experimenting with these states, I've been able
to experience this fact, and I've been able to have

(27:22):
conscious awareness of multiple levels of you know, multiple aspects
of my consciousness in different levels of reality at the
same time. So it's far more complex than it may
seem at first.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
Of course, you need the right environment as well. You know,
you need a location that has quietude.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
Yeah, definitely. You know, for the most part, you need
to do a type of meditation to induce the state,
and so early morning is a good time because most
people are still sleeping usually pretty quiet. But you know,
you can even practice it throughout the night. Really, you

(28:05):
could practice it five, six, seven times every night, because
we actually wake up after each sleep cycle. You know,
this is we momentarily wake up, and typically we're unaware
of this. But over the years, I kept dream journals
and so after every dream, I'll briefly wake up and

(28:28):
write my dream. And this really helped my lucid dreaming
practice because I was doing astral projection and lucid dreaming simultaneously.
You know, lucid dreaming is becoming aware that you're dreaming,
and it's a similar experience to astral projection, although there
are some differences as well. But I was keeping this

(28:50):
dream journal to help my lucid dreaming practice, and I
was writing six to seven dreams in my journal a night,
I would I trained myself to wake up momentarily after
each dream, but not just to wake up, but to
be aware as I wake up, because typically, you know,

(29:12):
we'll wake up for such a brief moment after each
dream that we just fall right back to sleep immediately
and have no recollection of actually waking up. And so
I trained myself too to be aware at this time
right after each dream. And so I would, you know,
write down my dream. I'd wake up in the morning

(29:33):
with you know, six or seven dreams in my journals.
And these were good opportunities to practice not only loseid dreaming,
but also astral projection, because you can train yourself to
be conscious as you fall back asleep. And so a
lot of times I'd wake up, briefly write my dream
in the journal, you know, laid back down, and then

(29:56):
within a few seconds I would be out of my
body where I would be lucid in a dream. So,
you know, with a lot of practice and experimentation, you
can really like hone in on on your ability to
enter these these different states of consciousness.

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remember when I was a teenager, I went for a
stage of eating a ton of cheese right and then
go to sleep, and then exploring, exploring my dreams, and
I would have some very vivid and strange dreams.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
Oh wow, do you think the cheese like helped you
with these vivid dreams?

Speaker 3 (31:53):
I'm not sure, but I know there was no probably
an old wives tale where they were saying, if you
eat cheese, you know, before he goes sleep, you know,
you dream more. And maybe that's to do with the
chemical compounds of cheese. Maybe, but yeah, I'd have some,
I'd have some strange dreams. That was for sure.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
That's funny. I mean it could also be maybe your
your expectation. Maybe you know, you believe that, and it
even if the cheese didn't have like a tangible effect
in your brain chemistry, you know, just your subconscious mind
could have been triggered because of your belief.

Speaker 3 (32:28):
Absolutely, yeah, very possibly. And I did have I did
go through stages of sleep paralysis for years. It kind
of subsided when I was about thirty five, thirty six,
so probably yeah, it's probably about ten years now. And
this one time. I'm not saying this is sleep aaralysis,
because this is a little bit different.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
But I was.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
I was in bed, it was about three or four
in the morning, I think, and I say, I woke up.
I woke up and I was outside of my body,
and I was in the bedroom. I could see my wife,
and I could see myself in bed. I couldn't feel
a body, I couldn't see a body. As far as
I was aware, I was just a pair of eyes
looking around the room. And that was it. I didn't

(33:11):
think about leaving the house, even though after I was like, oh, man,
I should you know. I should have gone out the window.
I should have tried to get out somehow and wander
around the place. But it was real. It was one
hundred percent real. I wasn't dreaming. I could see myself.
It was crazy. I've never experienced anything like that before
all since.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yeah, that definitely sounds like an out of body experience.
You know, it's pretty common. You know, a lot of
people will have this type of experience, like spontaneously. My
grandfather had an experience like that, and you know, he
never even knew that that was possible, but then it
happened to him. And you know about the sleep prouses.

(33:49):
You know, the sleep prous is essentially your body being
asleep and your mind being awake, and that is actually
the state that you enter right before projecting from your body,
you know, because like I said, you want your body
to be asleep while keeping your mind awake. So you know,
as you're inducing the projection, you experience your body falling asleep,

(34:11):
and then you enter this state of paralysis consciously. And
you know, a lot of times it happens that people
they wake up in the state of paralysis, and so
like in that case, what's happening is their mind awakes
before their body awakens, and so they awaken into this
the state of paralysis. But you know, during a projection,

(34:35):
you essentially induce the state of paralysis and then from
that state you separate from the body. And yeah, it
sounds like that's that's what happened with you. And you
know what's interesting about this sleep paralysis is that when
you're in this state, what you're actually perceiving is not

(34:57):
the physical world. You know, Like for me, it's common
to wake up and sleep paralysis and I can see
the room around me, but what I'm seeing is not
the physical world. It is another dimension of reality. And
you know a lot of times I would see you know,
shadow beings or aliens or other types of entities in

(35:21):
this state, and that's because these entities exist in other dimensions.
They exist in astral dimension, and so you know, a
lot of people don't realize that they think, oh, these
things are actually in my room. They don't realize that
they're actually perceiving into a higher dimension of reality because
you know, their bodies asleep and their mind is actually

(35:43):
attuned into the astral dimension. And this actually, in my opinion,
explains at least some alien encounters and abduction reports. There
are actually a lot of similarities between astral projection and

(36:06):
the typical alien abduction phenomenon, so that that's one of them.
Like I mentioned the sleep paralysis. You know, a lot
of times an abductee will report that they entered the
state of paralysis. Sometimes, you know, they believe that the
aliens induced the state of paralysis. And I've had that experience,

(36:28):
you know, Like I said, these these aliens, these entities
would affect me with his energy that essentially would paralyze me.
And you know, I knew from my experience, you know,
and my discernment, I knew that I was dealing with

(36:50):
entities in the astral dimension, and you know, my perceptions
were were shifted beyond the physical world. But someone without
this experience and knowledge, will probably think it's all happening
in the physical world, because you know, your consciousness is
just the same. You know, your your mental clarity is

(37:13):
is sharp, you know you're fully lucid, and you know,
like I said, in the lower dimensions, the environment typically
looks just like the physical world, So a lot of
times you won't notice any differences in terms of you know,
where you are, the room around you, it's gonna look
the same. So it's easy to see why there would

(37:36):
be this this confusion as to you know, the nature
of some of these experiences. I do know that a
lot of abduction experiences do have like real physical world
elements and they're not just you know, astral projections. But
I have heard some abduction reports over the years, and

(38:00):
when I hear it, I'm like, well, yeah, the same
thing happened to me, but I was in the astral dimension,
and I don't think this person understands like the nature
of dimensions, and you know the fact that these entities
do operate in other dimensions of reality.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
Sleep paralysis is extremely common, I think, a lot more
common than people realize. I mean, I get tons of
emails from people which have had experiences similar to that
and the same as night terrors as well a lot
of people which have experienced night terrors over the years.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
Yeah, you know, I was plagued to buy night terrors
when I was younger, probably from the age of like
four or five until I was maybe ten or eleven,
I would have them regularly, and I still have vivid
memories of these experiences. And it was like I was
half awake and half sleeping, and there was like a

(38:57):
dream superimposed over my perceptions of the physical world, right,
So you know, for example, I would be freaking out
and my mom would be looking over me, trying to
call me, but her face would be all disfigured and
her skin would be melting off. It was like I
was seeing a combination of her in real life and

(39:20):
horrible you know dream nightmare. Yeah, during these experiences, I
would see entities. Sometimes I would see beings that looked
like aliens. And you know, back then, like I said,
I was, I was young, between the ages of like
five and ten. I guess you can kind of typically
write them off as just dreams or hallucinations, but you know,

(39:43):
maybe there's some connection with that, and you know, the
practices that I eventually got into the astral projection and
the lucid dreaming.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
And it's very physical, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Night terrors.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
I mean it can be not only distress into the subject,
you know, but it also can be dispray, distressing those
around you because it's it's such a physical thing.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
Yeah, for sure. My mom used to tell me how,
you know, scary these experiences were for her because she
didn't she didn't know what was happening to me, you know,
and she had no way to calm me down.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
It's a bit like you know, when the chemicals get
released in your body when you're you know, when you're asleep,
it's a lot of it at the time. It's there
to protect yourself from lashing out. So with night terrors,
you know, you're not having that. You're basically living the
dream physically.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
Yeah, right, exactly.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
I think everyone's done it as well when they've been dreaming.
I usually I get this when I when I'm going
up a step in a dream. So I go up
a step and our trip and that's that's it. I
wake up and my my leg my leg fires at
the end of the bed and usually kicks the cat
off the end.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Yeah, it reminds me of of this sensation you can
get sometimes when you wake up, as if you were
just falling, like almost like you fell back into your bed.
And you know what, I've come to realize through my
own experience, like with astral projection and lucid dreaming, these
states are are highly connected. They're connected through your consciousness

(41:11):
and they're connected through this this system of non physical reality.
And so like lucid dreaming typically takes place in more
of a subconsciously generated environment, but it still takes place
in a type of non physical reality, Whereas you know,
astral projection takes place in dimensions of reality that exists

(41:37):
beyond your own mind. So whereas in like a lucid dream,
you know it's created by your subconscious mind. So I
was very easy to to manipulate the dream elements and
manifest experiences and you know, do whatever you want to do,
whereas that's not the case so much an astral projection
because you're in a more tangible type of vironment. That's

(42:01):
that's it's not dictated by your subconscious mind. And so
over the years, I've learned to transition from one state
of consciousness to the other. So I would you know,
enter lucid dream and from that state I would shift
into the astraord dimension. And you know, doing this for
so long you start to to understand the differences between

(42:24):
these realities and in your states of consciousness. And and
so what I've come to learn is that you know,
when we dream at night, we're not just like having
you know, typically it's considered that a dream is just
a subconsciously created scenario that takes place. You know, it's
only in your mind, it's not real. But they're actually,

(42:45):
like I mentioned, other aspects of our consciousness that also
project from the body when we fall asleep, and these
aspects of our consciousness are having experiences on other levels
of reality, like the astral dimension and you know and higher.
So this sensation like we wake up and it feels

(43:07):
like we're falling, well, I do believe that we were
actually just becoming conscious a moment sooner than you know
what we're programmed, and we're experiencing like re entering the body.
You know, as far as astral projection goes, you know,

(43:28):
you project from the body, you can float out and
then when you re enter the body, you feel the
same sensation as you can sometimes feel when you come
back from a dream, when you when you wake up,
that feeling of falling, it's almost exactly the same.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
And I have always said that when you you know,
when you shudder, when you lash out, and and you
wake up, it's basically you just you know, just popping
back into your body. Yeah, right, exactly did it ever
concern you when when you were projecting and you were
interacting with these these beings are going to be negative?
Did that have concern you when they were grabbing at you,

(44:03):
that they would have taken you somewhere and you've never
been able to return.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
Well, I pretty quickly found out that there is this
I called it a protection mechanism. It's a trigger that
will cause you to immediately re enter your body if
you if you experience some kind of you know, a
heightened state of fear, or you know, even if you

(44:28):
just you just want to go back. Yeah, the the
idea of being stuck out of my body, it never
really occurred to me because it basically just directly contradicted
my experiences and what I discovered was actually the case.
But you know, I have had experiences where you know,

(44:48):
I've been grabbed by some kind of entity, and you know,
I would feel real tangible pain, and I would come
back into my body and I would still feel that
pain in the same exact place where I was grabbed.
You know. The first time that happened, I was grabbed
from behind and and I sensed this this you know,

(45:10):
sinister presence behind me, and I felt this this hand
almost like a claw, and just squeezed my shoulder, you know,
from behind. And I didn't look at this entity, but
I immediately felt this this deep pain. And you know,
this was in my energy body. I was out of
my body, but so I immediately re entered my physical body,

(45:34):
and I still felt that pain. And you know, I
felt it in my physical body. And you know, the
thing is the energy body and the physical body while
we're awake, they're they're integrated, right, So so I was
feeling that pain awake in bed, and you know, it
took a few minutes to subside. And I've had other

(45:54):
experiences like that over the years.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
Yeah, I guess.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
You know, even though there are some some malicious entities
out there, I don't think there is real danger of
anything horrible happening to you just because of the nature
mechanics of the experience and how it works, how easily
it is to re enter the body. You know, the

(46:20):
challenge is actually staying out of the body. A lot
of times you'll re enter the body without wanting to.
You know, sometimes even the slightest thought of your physical
body will cause you to reintegrate. So yeah, over the years,
like what I practiced was strengthening my consciousness so that
I could prolong the experiences and stay out for longer

(46:43):
periods of time.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
So initially, it's probably a good idea to have what
looks like a kind of like a safe word, isn't it.
So if things do get a little bit too tense
and you are scared, then you can just return and
then try another day.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
Yeah, essentially, all it takes is the intention of going
back to your body, and you're immediately back. You know.
That's how things work out there. You know, in these
higher dimensions, it's all governed and you know, your actions
and your experiences are all like dictated by by the mind, right,
So you move by thinking, communicate through telepathy, you know.

(47:21):
So if you want to have a particular experience, I've
I've met and communicated with my deceased great grandparents on
multiple occasions. And I did this simply with the intention.
I left my body and I stated the intention. You know,
I want to meet my great grandmother. You know, the
first time I met her, she had passed several years before,

(47:46):
and this was more towards the beginning of my practice,
and I started to realize at that time that, well,
I'm doing all this stuff out of my body simply
with my intention, So let me try to to meet
someone this way. So I stated the intention. And you know,
the thing is, I didn't know where she was. I

(48:09):
wasn't even certain that I would, you know, meet her,
but I stated the intention, and suddenly I found myself
flying through space, blasting at the speed of light. It
seemed like the stars and planets were just like whizzing
by me. And you know, I see this this point
of light in the distance. As I'm approaching it, I

(48:32):
start to realize this is my great grandmother and she
was like radiating with this light. And so I met
her and we communicated and it was such an incredible experience.
And all I had to do was state the intention
I want to see her, and the experience like it
just manifested. You know, I didn't know where I was.
I had no idea like i'd be flying through space.

(48:53):
But what happens is we are connected to what is
commonly called the Higher So the higher Self is who
we are as spiritual entities at a level of existence
that is much higher than what we perceive right here,
and so who we are as spiritual entities, it's so

(49:16):
much more vast and incredible. Essentially, we're having this experience
like in this body, in this life basically as a
way to learn and grow, and the Higher Self basically
splits off like an aspect of its consciousness into a

(49:36):
particular incarnation. Right, So like we're actually connected with many
many other incarnations through the Higher Self. So like at
that level of the Higher Self, it's all just one consciousness.
But down at this level, you know, there's there are

(49:57):
multiple many, many other individual uals who all share the
same higher Self. So they're all essentially this this one consciousness,
but they're temporarily experiencing this you can call it an
illusion of separation. And so what happens during out of

(50:19):
body experiences is that your higher self can kind of
take over and it will lead you to have the
experiences and the encounters that you want through your intention.
So it's so, you know, sometimes you're just floating around
on your own intention. You know, I want to go here,

(50:40):
let me fly there. But other times, like in this experience,
I didn't know where I would go, but I was
brought to the right place and I met the right person.
And this is through the higher self.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
That's wonderful, Vincent. And you also had a terrifying encounter
with a ghost.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
Yeah, this was back when my wife and I had
moved into a condominium apartment. And so I was laying
in bed and meditating one night, and I entered a
deep state of consciousness and altered state. And it was
similar to like sleep paralysis, where you'll perceive the room

(51:22):
around you, but you're actually perceiving the astral dimension. So
I entered the state and suddenly I'm face to face
with this hideous, this hideous being. It looked like an
old lady, but it was like she was rotting and decomposing,

(51:48):
and she looked ghostly, like she had this transparent, you know, appearance,
like a typical ghost. And I was freaked out because
I felt this sensation on my side, some kind of
like energetic sensation. And so I looked down and there

(52:12):
was this kind of stream of energy and I realized
that this this entity had attached itself to me and
it was kind of like sucking energy out of me.
And and this entity, uh realized that I was aware
of it, and it opened its mouth and let out

(52:34):
this shriek, like booming scream, and it was really frightening,
and you know, I kind of snapped back into you know,
normal wakened consciousness, and you know, I still felt that
that energetic sensation in my side. And so what was
interesting about that Before we moved into this condominium, Well,

(52:59):
the previous of this apartment was an old lady who
had passed away just before we moved in. And we've
had other experiences in that same apartment which have indicated
that this is this old lady who is messing with us.

(53:21):
Maybe she feels like we invaded her territory. You know,
my wife would wake up in the morning with hand
marks on her arms that looked like someone had been
squeezing the be Jesus out of her arms. And there's
no explanation because I didn't do it, she didn't do
it to herself, and you know, it was something that

(53:45):
we were like, all right, this is weird, and you know,
we have an idea of what's happening, but it's it's
best not to think about it and just go on
living our lives because what are we going to do
about it? And so you know, this experienceience with with
this this ghost lady, and then you know my wife
having multiple experiences waking up with these strange marks on

(54:08):
her body, and you know the fact that the previous
owner of this place she had just died. We kind
of connected the dots.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
Unusual. I mean, yeah, this our house as well also
had an old old fellow die dyeing it as well,
but had our house was cleansed before we moved in,
which he knows because I know that one of the
previous occupants will get in. We'll getting a few issues
in this house.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
True, it's a tricky situation because like what are you
going to do? You know, going to move exactly.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
I mean, you can understand, you know, people that have passed,
you know, they may have lived here for a long time.
It was their home. You know, they've had their their
families living here. You know, they built the house. They
have many fond memories and they probably you know, they
probably don't want to move, you know, you know, but unfortunately,
you know, you you have to really.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
Yeah, right, they have some kind of attachment that just
keeps them there.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
Yes, hopefully when I go, I won't yeah, I won't
be attached to a particular property or will just happily
just move on that float away right right.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Yeah, I mean I've I've come to understand certain things
regarding the nature of the afterlife because it's essentially the
same as an out of body experience, because what happens
is when you project from the body, you project into
a dimension that resonates at the same frequency as your

(55:37):
own consciousness, right, And that explains why, like in the
beginning of your practice, it's more common to project into
the lower dimensions, and as you develop through your practice,
you begin to access higher and higher dimensions. Because what
happens through these practices is, you know, you're your spiritual

(55:58):
development increases, and you know, it's just like anything with practice,
you get better and better and you develop and you're
able to kind of access higher states of existence. And
so with the afterlife, it's essentially the same concept. You know,

(56:19):
when we die we enter dimension that resonates with our
own consciousness, our own energy, you know, our own thoughts
and beliefs and emotions. And so you know, this explains
you know, the concept of hell because like, let's say

(56:40):
you're a horrible person. You've always done horrible things. You're
mental and emotional states are full of you know, hatred
and negativity. So when you die, you know you are
going to be attracted and naturally enter level of reality

(57:01):
that resonates with that same negative energy. But it's not
just you, it's so many other people who are also
entertaining you know, that same state of low negative consciousness.
And so they will be in a realm filled with
all these horrible people and there is no escaping it, right,

(57:25):
I mean, well, I'm not going to say there's no
escaping it, but there's nothing else in these in these realms.
It's all that that negative energy, these negative individuals. Uh,
you know, this slow state of consciousness, and you know
it sounds like a hell to me.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
It sure does, it sure does. Now, if you've everything
that you've learned about this, you've actually put down on
paper in a book called Astral Projection and Lucid Dreams.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
Yes, Yeah, the book is called Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming,
Spiritual revelations and out of body experiences in higher dimensions.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
So everything that you've learned, you know, techniques and all
that are all down in this book.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
Yeah. The book comprises many of my experiences from the
beginning of my practice up until a few years ago.
And you know, I'm actually currently writing a new book
which will detail some of my more recent experiences. But yeah,
a lot of what I learned and experienced is in

(58:33):
the book. I mean the book, the majority of the
book is my experiences. Over the years, I've kept detailed
journals of all my experiences, so the majority of the
book consists of these experiences. But I also explain the
techniques and the methods that I've used and you know,
developed over the years. So you're not just reading my experiences,

(58:56):
but but you're you're learning ways to have these experiences yourself.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
So anyone wishing to explore actual projection, it would be
a be a good guide for people to begin with.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean I wrote it with the complete
beginner in mind, and it is a type of chronological journey,
so you know, I start from the beginning of my practice,
and you know, back then I didn't know much about it,
and so I explained things and you know, in the
way that that I learned them over time. I think

(59:30):
this will facilitate, you know, the comprehension of the reader too,
because I'm not just giving you all this heavy stuff
all at once. It's it's more of a progression. So
I think it's accessible to beginners and you know, people
who are also very advanced. You know, I've heard from
you know, lifelong astrum projectors who who have been amazed

(59:56):
by some of the things that I share my book.
You know, they say they've never hear anything like it before.
So I think everyone can definitely gain something from it that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
Sounds interesting that There's what I'll do. It's all the
links I have for you. I'll put down the show
notes and also on the website so people can can
check it out. Vincent, thanks man.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
I appreciate that, no problem.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
And there is a lot of people which are exploring
this more, you know, a lot more than they used to.
It's like to see five for instance, people know that
they don't have to go to the middle of a
desert and go up a mountain and hang out with
some group to have these experiences. You know, they can
just basically do it from their own house. They can
go out onto their property. They've only got a tiny
bit of land, they can do it from their guarden,

(01:00:35):
you know. Then they can do this, you know, And
it's the same with actual projections. It's something you can do.
You can go to a particular room, you know, find
your quiet use, and you can explore these things. And
it's it's something which a lot of people are doing.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
Yeah, for sure, I see, you know, more and more
interest in this subject over the years. When I first started,
you know, knowing I knew had any idea of what
it was, and now it's yeah, it's catching on, for sure,
it is.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
Yeah, and people that listen to this, you know, people
will explore, you know, and they will learn from this
and hopefully build on their own techniques because obviously there
was so much to learn.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Yeah, right right. You know, I think a lot of
people are interested in the paranormal, and you know, I
think some people do want to have their own experiences,
and maybe they don't realize that, you know, this is
a way to have experiences like that, you know, like
you don't have to wait around hoping like one day
you're abducted or like a goes to peer too, like

(01:01:35):
you can go out there and have these experiences on
your own free will.

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
Basically, that's wonderful, Vincent. Vincent, I really appreciate you coming
on sharing that for our listeners.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
Yeah, thanks, man, I thought it was a really cool show.
And yeah, your podcast is is awesome. It's one of
the best out there. You just saying that seriously, I mean,
it's nice to be on a well established one like yours.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
Vincent. It was great talking to you, all right, you
take care, keep in contact and I'll talk to you soon.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
Yeah, for sure. Okay, thanks see it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
That is all for this week. Keep updated and connected
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dot com. A big fang it the Vincent for sharing tonight,

(01:02:29):
and thank you all for listening. I will be back
next week, so till then, stay safe and keep watching
us guys. Goodbye.