Ep.191 The Sparrow Song (Throwback)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You'll be away five seventeen. Do you want to report
a UFO.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
It?

Speaker 3 (00:05):
We don't want to report every thirty one. Do you
wish to report a UFO over, Hey, we want to
one of.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Those areas thirty one.

Speaker 4 (00:15):
Do you wish to find a report of any kind
of it?

Speaker 2 (00:18):
I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds, time.

Speaker 5 (00:22):
Areas thirty one me neither there were see golf.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
If it was anybody else above us to pass us,
Like thirty seconds ago.

Speaker 4 (00:32):
We were sending one top of golf negative, okay, OFFI
the UFO.

Speaker 5 (00:37):
Yeah, it's murder ten nine o'clock.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yes, if you passed over, I got I don't know
what it was.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
It's from at least to three thousand feet above us.

Speaker 5 (00:47):
See, I passed out over the thought of us.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Ninety one one.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
You just called both to be be fours. They're after
staying the airplanes.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
He is.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
To God on an unidentify object, every liberty or call
or calm on an unidentified flying object.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share
their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had
an encounter, I would like to be on the show.
You can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com.

(01:48):
Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. Wherever in the
world you are listening from. I hope you're all doing okay.
We are back in Perth, Australia today to hear about
Roses personal experiences in relation to UFO encounters, abduction, missing time,
and the portugeist activity that she still gets to this day.

(02:08):
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Speaker 5 (02:37):
Now on with the show.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
Good evening, Rose, and welcome to the podcast.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
P Nick. Thank you for having me here today to
share my yearphone paranormal experiences.

Speaker 4 (03:05):
You are more than welcome. Thank you for joining us
today and you're calling from Perth, Australia. Yes, I am
it is surely a beautiful country. Now, Rose, you have
several experiences to share of our listeners tonight, would you
like start at the beginning, please, ma'am.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Well, actually, I do have something that I want to
share on my heart that's outside the experiences first, and
then I will go into what's happened in my life
as far as the paranormal. But it's been a long
journey for me to even get to a place where
I feel I can share all that has happened to me,

(03:41):
which began from the age of three years old. But
I really feel it's important for people to understand firstly,
why it's taken many decades to even want to share
what's happened to me. I feel in my heart right
now that this topic needs addressing is far more than
the encounters. Address this first before moving on to the

(04:02):
paranormal and et experiences, so more people like me can
feel comfortable coming forward and hopefully find some peace and
some healing and hope as I have so Nick. Before
I came across your podcast, I came across it via
your post that you put on the C five group.
I actually had deactivated most of my social media accounts

(04:24):
for a few months, as I wanted a break from
the surveillance, you know, with the marketing and the direction
it's going in, including the general negativity coming out from
people's hearts and minds. There were times I did this
before when I felt it was interfering with my work
life or personal life by keeping me indoors too much, so,

(04:45):
you know, instead of experiencing our beautiful planet and getting
out to connect with people face to face, instead of
just texting or emailing or chatting online. It was just
by random I decided to look in my promotions folder
in my email, which I truly fully never do so randomly.
I clicked open on the promotions folder and there was
a Facebook notification from you asking for people to come

(05:08):
forward to share their paranormal and your full encounters. The
day you posted that happened to be the day I
looked into the folder, and it led to reactivating my
Facebook and going into the group you posted it in
to see if there was more to your message. I
was entragued at that point. Synchronicity appeared to be at play,

(05:28):
although some people don't believe this and think it's just
a coincidence, but if you have many of these occurrences,
it's hard to discredit that this is what's happening. As
a result, it made me a mindful person who tends
to be open to the possibilities of the whole interconnectedness
between myself and the collective unconscious, which you know, I

(05:48):
believe is very real. So it got me thinking, and
it made me consider becoming a guest on your podcast
over the following two weeks. I always knew in my
heart that coming forward at some point in my life,
at some level, that by releasing these experiences would be
beneficial for my spiritual progress and symbolic of the healing
that's taken place already. So you can call it intuition

(06:10):
or gut feeling or an inner voice, but either way,
I knew it was important for me to speak out
as an act of I guess, personal freedom and stepping
out into the light against all the darkness that's out
there in the world. So I listened to one of
your podcasts during that time, and a sense of peace
came over me one night during meditation for the first

(06:32):
time about this decision, and then I emailed you two
weeks after seeing your post in early June. You shared
with me about putting things in current logical water, and
I went away to do this, but then struggled when
I tried. There was also poltergeist activity happening at the
same time, which I shared with you. I went away
and thought about why this seemed so hard for me.

(06:54):
I meditated on it and asked my guardians and discovered
for the first time that my behavior very much mimicked Avid.
Just not to confuse anyone. During meditation, I often communicate
with spiritual beings through asking questions and waiting for a response.
The response when it comes back I can only describe
as a telepathic download a profound knowingness. I don't hear

(07:17):
voices in my head, although I have maybe twice in
a semi dream state you know luck when you're about
to fall asleep, but not in a waking state. That's
never happened. I do get random pictures in my mind
during meditation and spontaneously. I see scenes and often try
to make sense of what it is with my own intellect,

(07:40):
as though I'm trying to decode a puzzle, which, to
be totally honest, often comes up very short. Call me
a slow learn and someone who needs to know things immediately,
this aspect of my personality, I guess became a stumbling
block and one I stubbornly continued with over the years.
But I have dropped that off, you know, finally, once

(08:01):
I've recognized I need to remain humble in this process.
So I've recognized when I let things go, answer has
come to me when they're supposed to, and it comes
with a profound, all encompassing knowingness. And when that happens,
it's always correct. When it's me analyzing the dreams and
visions without that profound feeling, at best, the hit rate

(08:22):
is zero to like seventy percent. There's a lot I
could share on this topic through my own discoveries, but
it's not what I want to do tonight. But I
do feel that part and parcel of everything that I've experienced,
this has also been a development within me. And you know,
it's either something that I was born with or it's

(08:43):
actually triggered from the paranormal experiences. I'm quite open to
what it actually is. So back to the difficulty with
putting things in the chronological order, I find it much
more palatable to flip from one early event to another
much later event, missing many events twin it is much
easier to mentally cope with than I do. Believe my
childhood abduction experience at three years of age did some

(09:07):
damage not only to my memory but my processing only.
It's taken a lifetime to make the connection. So you
can get a sat front that there is just too
much that's happened, and I will share some things, but
to share everything my terrify people, and I don't want
to do that. I also need to demonstrate some self
love here to myself, and if it gets too intense,

(09:28):
I will let you know and hope you understand that
I may need to take a break from it. If
I was to hear my story from an outsider's perspective,
I would think the person was experiencing something along the
lines of a very scary mystery suspense story. Only it's
not a story. It's my truth and I wouldn't wish
it upon anyone. But the fact that I'm still here
to speak out points to an amazing hope and discovery

(09:51):
I've made recently which has changed me from inside out
literally by some unfolding miraculous means. Beginning on good just gone.
It's hard to describe It's like a calm piece, a
deep love and a stability I've learned for my whole life,
and freedom in some areas of my life I've felt
very oppressed in not all. It would have been amazing

(10:13):
if that was a case. I'm like everyone else on
this planet who has fault and behaviors of habits that
need working on to get more freedom in my walkout
of darkness and into the creatives line and love. So
that's where I'm at right now. So after listening to
a couple of encounters via your podcast on one of
your platforms, I checked to see if you are on

(10:34):
YouTube and saw your channel there and the message you
put up, and I thought that what you came up
against really identified how some organizations and those behind them
want to silence the voice of survivors and keep them
in a state of ongoing abuse. I'm glad you found
a way forward from all of that, and it's a
very care and compassionate gesture to let people get all

(10:57):
this off their chests without judgment and without the toxic
comments that tend to go hand in hand with social
media sites that had that feature. I shared that audio
with you a couple of psychic readings that I had
in the past. One was with a woman who had
what I would describe a very well developed advanced remote
viewing capabilities, to the point that she had been on

(11:20):
popular TV shows as the medium uncovering murders for the police.
Outside the TV series, she had and still does work
for them only not only in my country, but also abroad.
She's written many books and is a giant in the field,
at least in my country. Me being the person that
I am, I had to contact her and get her

(11:41):
permission first, which I did, and then I was able
to send it to unique and share it with you
with all her details. In fact, during my reading, she
mentioned she was also helping someone in New York about
a murder case there. So anyway, this lady, she thought
ets all around me back in January two two one.

(12:04):
It's on the audio I sent you, but I have
the video recording at home. It was after her reading,
especially when things unfolded with the ETS more duel dramatically.
But my personal opinion on this, I believe what she
really saw was the ongoing presence of them in my
life since that very first encounter, which was going to
ramp up in two two to one to the present day.

(12:25):
She also mentioned she saw me doing a podcast and
described someone who fit your description from your physical features,
your coloring, your voice, your height, the podcast on the
paranormal and your phone and some other things right down
to the timeframe of crossing paths with you. She said,
eighteen months. Well, it's exactly eighteen months, and here I am.

(12:46):
I didn't share that part with you in the email
at the time, just in case someone else popped up
who fits that description. That hasn't happened, So it's unique.
You're in my reading. So again, it's another synchronicity that
I can't ignore. I really want to say, I believe
you're a light worker, Nick. Someone once said something lovely
about light workers to me once before. It was something

(13:06):
along the lines that light workers are a jewel in
God's crown. So you're doing God's work, Nick, You're part
in it. It's only going to get bigger. And that's
my personal inner knowing. And four weeks back, during meditation,
I had a vision of a street sign after remembering
an event a year after my new death experience. I
also had a spontaneous memory during that meditation from the

(13:27):
new death experience that happened over thirty years back. Okay,
So I have asked myself the question about whether it's
because of my paranormal encounters that these abilities have manifested,
or whether it's just part of who I am and
every person on the planet. For the most part, people
didn't believe me when I shared some of my visions

(13:47):
and dreams, and you know, I perceive that by their
body language or facial expressions, the tine of voice. I
since they thought I was just a kook with a
fanciful imagination another nice way of describing an outright liar
believing their own lives. So some friends just listened in
politeness and then dismissed it, and then over the years

(14:10):
for good I even told them. The people that didn't
forget were some family members and a couple of good
friends who had faith then what I said after witnessing
things I said unfolded a later stage. I never thought
to bother writing things down back then is even my
own faith way the time to time in relation to
what I was perceiving. So mostly in the beginning I

(14:30):
shared things to those close to me, then basically forgot
about it. Often they'd reminded years later when it unfolded,
but by pure flick. I mentioned three visions in an
email which I still have to a friend six years
or so after I shared it with her originally and
a few others in two thousand and five. While some
may call it being led by guardian angels or God,

(14:53):
or tapping into one's highest self or the collective unconsciousness,
whatever one's belief is, regarding the original source, the first
one took seven years to manifest, the second eight years.
The third is unfolding right now, seventeen years later. The
message from my near death experience is also manifesting right now,
thirty two years later. It's hard not to come to

(15:14):
the conclusion something is guiding you when things like this occur. Anyway, Nick,
the random thought to go seeking my friend's emails, which
thankfully weren't deleted, all happened the week I contacted you.
It was a nice little shock when I stumbled on it.
The reason I decided to go search for my friend's
email was because of this spontaneous memory that came forward

(15:34):
I'd totally forgotten about. She shared a vision with me
about her own life and a connection to Cincinnati, USA.
She believed she saw herself there as a missionary. I
couldn't remember if this actually manifested for her or not,
And so when that memory came, I decided to scroll
back all my emails that I had shared with her

(15:55):
over the many years to see whether she had mentioned
it had manifested. She also was living not where I am,
She was living in a different state, so and our friendship,
you know, sort of wasn't as you know, it wasn't
as ongoing as it was back then. You know, she
kind of went off and did her own thing. Yes,

(16:15):
so I came across the email where I shared my
three visions in twenty eleven, and it brought an immense
joy to my heart. And yes, hers actually did manifest.
She got to Cincinnati and was a missionary there for
a period of time. Anyway, I've digressed a bit, so
back to the question that I feel is important to
share just as much as the paranormal events everyone is

(16:37):
here to listen to. And that question is why it's
taken so long to open up and share a public
forum when I knew in my heart for many, many
years it was important to do this someday, especially knowing
that maybe my experiences could potentially help someone else out there,
either a small one or a big way. While it's
the glaring problem we have in the world and that's

(16:59):
called feet. The kind of trauma I have endured for
the biggest part of my life, along with people who
have experienced similar in the way of reductions and traumatic
paranormal activity, is having to face the fears within others
who haven't had these experiences or believe in something else
without one hundred percent concrete proof. Often these fears trigger

(17:23):
responses within people that manifest very negatively, and as a result,
it adds more trauma to the survivor of these encounters
in the ways of shame and embarrassment, feelings of inadequacy,
and being seen as a liar and mentally unstable. No
one wants to feel like that. Over and above the
trauma of the abduction or the UFIE paranormal experiences. Every

(17:46):
person on this planet, including survivors, want to be respected,
treated with kindness, and understood. For survivors, being cast as
a crazy tinfoil hat person is a hard pill to swallow,
especially when you are a person who acts with integrity.
One needs a tough skin and a good self esteem
to cope with the evil in the world. There is

(18:07):
a self protection or self preservation that takes place that
keeps people silent coming forward when one isn't ready to
tackle The abuse from others becomes compounded over the years
because of this current state of many people acting from
a place of darkness and not love and light, And
that's the honest truth. The results can be devastating, and

(18:29):
as devastating as people taking their own lives or others
stalking out survivors on some crazy witch hunt to appease
their own fears. Protect large groups in society whose beliefs
are not true but need coddling. As a result, the
experiences of paranormal UFO and abducty survivors end up being
the whipping boys and girls. So many can live there

(18:51):
long held unchallenged and often ignorant beliefs. So people who
know me at home, nick, my circle of friends, and
in my weak place know my character. They have seen
me over many years. They've seen me work in professions
that one needs to exercise empathy, compassion, confidentiality, honesty and trust.
It was a result of my experiences that led me

(19:11):
to wanting to help others my family, my closest friends,
even many colleagues know my integrity. But what I've seen
with people coming forward with their experiences has often been
very negative. Survivors have been interrogated in interviews as though
they are on trial. They have been bullied and mocked
and in a nutshell, let's be honest, they've been looked

(19:34):
upon by many people as our liars or crazy. For
the big part of my life, seeing the experiences of
people who were courageous enough to step out, including myself,
whether it was to an acquaintance or the doctor, or
friends or relatives or just you know, church members, you know,
it has sometimes been met without empathy and compassion. People

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have experienced ridicule and their integrity intact. Instead, the survivor
has been left feeling very isolated and significant, insulted and
shut down. So to add to their sometimes lifelong trauma,
it is now compounded with being disrespected by many fearful
and often very arrogant people at every turn, being viewed

(20:19):
as a liar or mentally ill. This is enough to
keep genuine people of the phenomena silent. So I pologize
for stressing this more than once, but it's very important,
and I feel it's a very important topic that needs
more discussion around. So today I just want to highlight
before I share my experiences and from a space of love,

(20:41):
that unless you have walked my shoes and can actually
tell me with that and with absolute certainty, which would
mean you have undeniable proof of what is actually happening
to survivors of these types of phenomena because you've actually
experienced it also and taken similar investigations as I have
by going to the heart of the soul, then by
all men, share your findings in an open and positive manner.

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But I think more importantly, people need to imagine themselves
in the survivor's shoes, learn how to empathize and imagine
how they themselves would feel if it happened to them,
and how they would feel being treated in such a
disrespectful and abusive manner by large sections of the society,
including people in positions of authority, including people in caring

(21:28):
and healing professions, and see if they still think it's
okay to behave in such an abusive way towards traumatized
human beings on our planet who didn't ask for the experience.
Whilst there may be the odd person who is genuinely
misguided or dishonest. I would say those people are likely
suffering from their own trauma, potentially stemming from their own

(21:50):
childhood or past. Either way, it's important to not place
everyone in the same basket. Empathy is a skill everyone
needs to cultivate. And this is MyH today for mankind
that God will lead us here right now to this lesson.
Millions of people worldwide are experiencing something paranormal, So let's
be honest. How is everyone lying? Do we dismiss the

(22:13):
multitudes of credible people who step out bravely to face
the wall of evil behaviors and others because they truly
believe it's important the truth be told, and hence why
they take up their sword to face the hungry lines.
If anything, I see the survivors as unique. Something about
them is evidently very important and hopefully will pave the

(22:36):
way in time to discovering what it is to be
a human and our scope of capabilities and our weaknesses
that hold us back from our most highest potential. Yeah, so, Nick,
I saw some podcasts with people who experienced an encounter recently,
and I want to share this one I'm not going
to mention your names, obviously, but this particular one that

(22:57):
I'm thinking of was on YouTube and they were interviewed
by someone who had a science background. The podcaster appeared
to be He appeared to desperately want to find a
discriptancy in this person's story, despite having access to many
of the person's previous interviews that they had undertaken over
the decades. It was as though they wanted to be

(23:18):
that one person more intelligent than anyone ever before who
had interviewed this person, to be that one to completely
deral this person story, and from what even knowing, it
appeared it was coming from a need to be seen
as credible and impress others in their field, including the
respect of fans and for their ratings and income source.

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I just want to say, whilst the survivor handled the
interview beautifully, it was evident that they were suffering lifelong
trauma in the way of post traumatic stress disorder. After
the interview, the podcaster and their sorry online fans discussed
the fact that they believed the survivor had post traumatic
stress disorder via the comments, But a glaring issue of

(24:03):
ignorance by this podcaster was the fact of their own
lack of awareness about the behavior of trauma and memory.
I can say from my personal experience, I have repressed
memories that have suddenly manifested decades later, which if I
had been interviewed like this person was, say as an example,
thirty years back, and then shared what I know today,

(24:26):
it would have been welcomed with absolute glee from this person,
as it would have verified the narrative they were hoping
to uncover so that they could keep on living a cherish,
misguided belief and as a result, tarnish a true experience
along with destroy a person's credibility by sharing information via

(24:47):
social media that the survival was an outright fraud and liar,
even if not outwriting words, but through the subliminal message
conveyed to the convective groups that share the same mindset
and lack of understanding. So, in a sense, if a
survivor shares an event, say twenty years ago, mark my words,

(25:08):
there's a probability that they're holding back newly released memories
that have surfaced many years later on purpose as a
protection mechanism, but more importantly to not detract from the
truth of the event that actually took place. This sadly
is in a sense an act of emission, but it
would be due to their inner knowing that a witch

(25:29):
hunt would occur if they were to reveal anything further
that would derail their credibility and their experience. Due to
the lack of knowledge some people have about traumatic memory
amnture or suppression, the incorrect narrative many people have in
which a credible story is one that never changes over
the decades is absolutely not true. If people use their

(25:53):
intelligence and look to other various forms of long term
trauma outside of view of follow and the paranormal kind,
it clearly proves the nature of trauma and how it
can be repressed and suddenly just spark up many years later,
often when healing is taking place. But unfortunately, this particular

(26:13):
survivor had to experience a lack of respect and empathy
in front of millions of people. Podcaster demonstrated a suspicious
negative approach and what appeared as a well fought out
and calculating interrogation style of questions from various angles to
confuse and manipulate the survivor into saying something different from

(26:35):
their previous interviews. I'm sure this survivor has experienced similar
from other people over the many years besides this one
particular person. It's not hard to come to the conclusion
of the post traumatic stress disorder that was discussed after
the shown by people's comments, but the lack of awareness
as to how they were adding to it from apparent

(26:57):
intelligent and highly educated people is quite sad. I can
only imagine what decades of this kind of behavior has
done to this person's psyche. I was surprised that no one,
not one person that left a comment on this podcast's page,
was able to see what I saw. Truly remarkable blindness
on a grand scale that in itself is a topic

(27:20):
that needs addressing. I understand the fear of people who
do this, often unconsciously, and why having one's world view
challenged is scary. I'll get it. So instead of coming
from a space of respect and empathy, the fear and
all its negative energy manifests people become desensitized to the

(27:41):
suffering of others. We see it very much today with
the bombardment of violence and suffering in the world via
social media and how this has impacted every human being.
We all feel useless in addressing the violence and therefore
something within us shuts down. Everyone is experiencing this right now.
Be honest, it's extremely negative and traumatic, and we have

(28:03):
to compartmentalize it in a way so that we can
go about our lives in relation to how this ties
in with you and paranormal fears. By many people, it's
all about protecting oneself at all costs, but also one's
image and fitting into an acceptable belief within one's culture,
one's religion, or various beliefs within other organizations that at

(28:26):
best are still quite immature and don't have the complete picture.
Despite arrogantly projecting out to the world their ideas are
one hundred percent correct. So I'd love to share my
experiences today because the last eighteen months especially, I've had
a series of events that took place that terrified a
family member and I, especially the one in the car

(28:48):
with the two of us, which can only be described
as a paranormal car crash with extremely loud In fact,
hands over the ears loud are very startler experience, which
I can only describe as glass shattering with beams of
extreme bright light encompassing the whole vehicle, and then a

(29:10):
residue of invisible wavy air like a gas or a
heat coming off a pavement during an intensely hot summer's day.
It gave us both an outer body experience for a
split second, and in amongst the confusion and terror, I
frantically looked in front, behind, and to the sides of

(29:30):
me to see if there was some impact to my
vehicle or something else or someone else's vehicle, only to
find that all the vehicles on the road and those
driving them just were totally oblivious to anything going on.
It was so surreal, you know, just to unpack all
those emotions and what I went through with the passenger

(29:54):
in the car with me. Yeah, I'm not doing its service,
so I'm not doing the best with what I've just described.
I'm just trying to sort of put it in a
smaller context. But yeah, it was. It was terrifying.

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But actually was more surreal is the fact that I
forgot an event that occurred a few months prior this,
which randomly came to my memory a couple of weeks
after this event. Only this one was not in the car.
It was in the house, and I was totally alone
nick with no witnesses, And it was the same explosive

(31:48):
glass shattering sound as though a huge pane of glass
fell from an airplane up high or a huge boulder
was thrown through my child bedroom window by some machine.
Except that's not where my thoughts went. I went without
a shadow of a doubt that there was an intruder
who had forced their way into my home and was
just waiting to pounce. It was the most terrifying hour

(32:10):
of my life, which included contacting one of my kids
on their mobile as it was coming from their bedroom.
And I truly thought that they were in there because
they never mentioned otherwise. But I rang them on the phone.
I had my phone with me. I rang instantly. I
pretty much jumped out of it. I was in the

(32:31):
sofa watching Netflix when it all occurred, and I mean
I jumped out of my skin. And the first thing
I did was running into the kitchen and grab a knife,
you know, and duh my child's phone number on my phone.
When they answered their phone, I found out that they
weren't home, but at the casino with their grandmother. A

(32:52):
sense of relief came over me, knowing both my kids
weren't in the hot Okay, Nick, sorry, I've kind of
jumped to the end where I should be starting at
the big but because I mentioned actually, I don't believe
I did mention this. But one thing that comes up
is when you have a lot of these experiences, it's
not hard to jump to the thought that you've been

(33:15):
tracked or that something is following you. You know, It's
very easy to jump to that, you know, especially if
you feel that there is a pattern. And so these
two experiences, there was one common denominator, and that was me.
Had the first encounter happened without the car crash incident
with the family member and I had shared this with people,

(33:38):
most people would have thought I was having an hallucination
and in need of a psychiatrist and medications. I thank
god I chose to believe very early on in my
life in a higher power first before embarking on that
path decades ago, because I did get to see firsthandedly

(33:59):
how we two lives, in particular people close to me,
their lives were destroyed. One ended up committing suicide and
the other one is pretty much a zombie on lifelong
medication and on a disability pension and just no longer

(34:20):
really communicates to people. All leave the house. So I'm
not saying that that happens to everybody, because in fact,
many people have had much relief through the medical field
and medications and if you have stick with it, if
it gives you peace. But it wasn't the answer for me,
nor is it the answer for everything. And it's important

(34:41):
to also get that across. When I look back over
more than four decades of phenomena, it's hard not to
think about whether one is under that sort of watch
all surveillance of eteens, even if it's for a moment
and then you put it aside. I'm not going to
say I know one hundred percent certain who or what

(35:02):
is doing it, or if this is even in relation
to the shattering glass and the car event and the
house event. I'm not going to say I know who
or what is doing in relation to those particular episodes
because I just don't know the answers right now this minute,
and who's to say I ever will. So I'm going
to start at the beginning now, Nick, And this line

(35:26):
is really hard for me because this is the abduction.

Speaker 4 (35:30):
I was.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
So we're going back to nineteen seventy one, very very
long time ago. I was three years old. It was winter,
and my mother just had a newborn in my brother
he was only a couple months old, and we had
some visitors coming from I believe South Africa. They were

(35:56):
family friends and they were coming to spend three months
in Perth, Australia. But they were arriving very late at night,
and my parents had mentioned that they would pick them
up and you know, they were going to look after
them basically. Unfortunately, it was very late at night and

(36:18):
I was a difficult sleeper as a three year old
and getting me down to sleep was a challenge to
start with. So a decision was made between my mum
and dad that they would get the neighbor to come
and look after me while they went off with my

(36:40):
baby brother to the airport to pick up these family friends.
So that's what I was told. And so what happened.
They did leave and I was in my bed in
my back then my mum still had me in a
cot even though I was three. But it was a
very stormy night and there was a lot of rain

(37:03):
and I was woken up to the sound of horses.
Where we lived at the time was on a street.
Oh look, I won't mention the name of the street
right now because it's probably not too important, but where
I lived, the houses or the lots of land on

(37:25):
either side of us and behind we're quite large plots
of land, and the council allowed people there to have
a horse or two because there was a horse track,
raceway or whatever you call it not nearby. So our
plot backed onto an alley and so every yeah, the horses,

(37:47):
you know, would react with the weather, and so I
was woken up to these horses making a huge racket.
But it wasn't just because of the weather, because when
I woke up my bedroom window, my mum had very
thin sort of seed through fabric, but she had drawn

(38:12):
the curtains so they were in like a tie back,
so I could see out the window and there was
three shadow beings. I didn't look. I didn't know what
it was at that age. It was it just it
was scary. I saw the movement and then the next
thing I know, they were in the room and they

(38:34):
were surrounding my cot and I was screaming, and then
everything went blank. The next thing I remember was being
in the middle of the street and there was a
very bright, bright light, blinding light above me, and it
was pouring with rain and I was crying. I don't

(38:57):
know how I got there, and a man tapped me
on the shoulder. He was a an older man. I
don't know where he came from. I didn't see him.
I was kind of you as a three year old,
caught up in the experience of fear and separation, anxiety
and abandonment and all these sort of things are probably

(39:19):
going through my head back then where's my parents? You know?
What am I doing here? All that sort of stuff
and this man. I don't remember the dialogue, I really don't,
but he seemed there was just a lovely, peaceful thing
about this person. It wasn't negative. It was a very loving,

(39:43):
sort of caring aspect to him that I picked up. Anyway.
He took me to my grandparents' house, which is a
fifteen minute walk by an adult from where I lived
to where they lived. As a three year old, it
probably would have taken god knows how long, if at all,

(40:05):
you know, like many many, many years later. You know,
I actually did look after children as a profession, and
maybe I was led to that because of this experience.
But for the life of me, I can't imagine not
one of those children that I looked after, you know,
putting him at the front door and saying, go walk

(40:25):
fifteen minutes down the road. Then turn chuck the left
and go to the top of that street and then
turn a bit and that's your home. Go find it.
I just I can't, you know, It's just I don't
know how it happened. But I remember walking with this
man hand in hand. I was in a raincoat. I
don't know how I got the raincoat. We walked, he

(40:48):
walked to my grandparents place. I don't know if I
told him where it was, to be quite honest, I
just don't know or how he even knew. But we
got there. When we knocked on the door, what were well, actually,
before we got there, halfway through the trip walking there,
I actually did start crying. I remember this particular moment

(41:10):
where I got quite distressed and tired, and I just
think I was overwhelmed being with this very foreign person
and not knowing where my parents were, and you know,
the fear of everything, and I think he kind of
felt sorry for me and he picked me up and

(41:32):
he carried me the rest of the way. So that's,
you know. So when I did get there with him,
he was carrying me. So he knocked on my grandparents' door.
My grandfather came to answer the door. I'm you know,
it's now raining again. So I'm kind of screaming out
because I heard my grandfather and I'm saying to him,

(41:55):
you know, it's me, it's me. I'm telling him my name,
and you know, he recognized me. But then my grandmother
she came up and she was absolutely petrified. Now she
suffers with extreme anxiety, quite fearful and paranoid that this

(42:16):
particular person at the door was someone who had abducted
me and was there to mug them and harm them.
So she became quite frantic and was telling my grandfather
to not open the door. So I'm hearing all this
as a three year old, and a big fight unfolds

(42:38):
between the two of them. You know, he's trying to
sort of push her away because she's blocking now the door,
blocking him from opening the door, because she was dead
set that this person was gonna break in and steal
things and had a gun and whatever else was going
on in her mind. Actually, this went on for a

(43:02):
good fifteen minutes or so. It got to the point
of ridiculous because the man that was with me, he
was yelling at them to open the door. This is
your granddaughter, you know, look what you're doing to her,
do you understand how this is impacting her? And because
they were you know, English was their second language, they

(43:25):
weren't really comprehending what he was saying. And you know,
my grandfather kept saying to my grandmother, it's it's you know,
it's your granddaughter that you recognize her voice, and my grandmother,
for some godly reason, just didn't seem to recognize my voice,

(43:45):
which is really really strange. Anyway, what happened next was
quite aggressive my grandfather because my grandmother literally had was
on his back and he had to throw her off
his back and there was a loud thump on the
floor and he managed to unlock the door, and just

(44:09):
as he unlocked the door, my parents and the people
from the airport arrived in my dad's station wagon. It
was the most traumatic thing that one could ever go
through for a three year old. So the thing is,
for years after this, the narrative completely changed. What I

(44:31):
said about the beings in my room, about the bright
light was completely dismissed. I believe I was even drawing pictures,
and instead the story that took place, and that replaced
that story from my parents, because you know, they weren't there.
They didn't see it. They were out. Was the neighbor

(44:53):
who was meant to be watching me. Apparently at the
time that or just moments before I woke up, she
got up and went back to her house to close
the window because of the rain. So that was one
story that came out. That was one of my parents
said that that's what was what happened. The other parent

(45:14):
said something different and said, no, she was actually in
the front lounge, and she was there the whole time.
She had not left. You know, I really don't know
how that could have happened. For years after this, my
parents would argue over what actually happened, whose version of

(45:34):
the story was correct, And I don't know if one
of them was being completely honest night, because I just
don't know why the stories were different. But what it
did do to me was it made me start to
think that maybe there was no neighbor there at all,
and maybe they left me there alight. That's, you know,
as I was growing up, that's what I started to think.

(45:55):
The fact is I did encounter ET's and I believe
I was abducted. I have absolutely no memory of the
occurrence between the house and the road. My father for
years he thought I was some prodigy child, some in
a very advanced three year old, because the story they

(46:19):
went around telling family friends was that I woke up
in the middle of the night, didn't see them there,
somehow bypassed the neighbor and went seeking for them. At
my grandparents' house. The back apparently the back porch light
was on and the front door was open, and the

(46:40):
back door was open. He felt that I had left
through the back down this massive backyard that they had,
very uncapt backyard that was, you know, I don't even
know how big it was, but it was a very
big backyard. And I went to the very far back
of that backyard where there's are gates that opened up
into the alleyway, and I went down the alleyway to

(47:05):
a at the end of the alley and all these
houses along that alleyway. It led to an open park,
and then beyond the park was a kindergarten, and then
beyond the kindergarten was street, and it was at that
street that I was found. He felt that it may
have been somebody that lived along there or happened to

(47:27):
be walking around there that found me. The intelligent three
year old that I was struck up a conversation with
this person and said, oh, you know, I live over here.
I'll take you to where my parents' house is. And
then I took him to the parents' house, which was,
you know, a good five minutes or so walk away

(47:48):
for an adult, not a three year old. But I
guided him to my house and then he came in
the house, and then I convinced him it's I want
to go to my grand amount mother's house. So he
put on my raincoat and then we went back out
in the front and took this journey to my grandparents' house,
and I showed them all the way how to get there. Yeah.

(48:12):
I really don't believe that story, not anymore, but that
was the story that was told, and I think what
occurred after and over the years just gives a lot
more weight to my version of what I saw and
what happened to me. So by the time I was
five years old, I started suffering with extreme sleep paralysis.

(48:35):
It was always pretty much the same thing. Initially I
would see there would be an invisible presence in the room,
and then you know, the terror, the whole paralysis, the
whole all of that sort of feeling that ended up
becoming sort of like an ongoing theme in my life.
It just got worse and worse over the years. And

(48:56):
then I had this recurring dream of this monster chasing me,
but it was more along the lines of me hiding
and then trying to find me. So I found myself
having this constant dream of hiding behind cars and hiding
behind sides of walls, while this being, this monster thing was,

(49:20):
you know, in the middle of the streets trying to
seek me out. So that was a constant thing that
happened over the years, and it was always the same dream.
This being or this monster, I would say, look more
of a reptilian nature in my dream, But back in
those days, I didn't know that. By the time I

(49:42):
was seven years old, because of the constant sleep paralysis,
that's when I kind of really got into music in
a big way. You know. I was obsessed with this
song called the Sparrow Song, and that helped me sort
of not think about the bad dreams that I was
always having and this paralysis. By the time I was nine,

(50:03):
I saw an apparition out the window in what was
then my brother's bedroom. It was the scariest looking thing
I had ever seen. It was encompassed in an orange glow.
It looked half human with the head of a bull.
I was terrified. I was literally it wasn't asleep paralysis

(50:24):
this time. It was because I actually was able to
put the covers over my head in absolute terror. My
grandparents were over visiting my family, and they were in
the lunch room just literally minutes away. And the whole
fear of leaving that bed in pitch darkness because there

(50:46):
was no lights on with that being there was terrifying.
I mean I managed to get out of the bed, eyes, squeezed,
clothes tied, and went and switched on the and ran
outside and shared that with my folks, and they just
said it was a bad dream. You know, you had
a bad dream. Don't think about it. It's just a

(51:07):
bad dream. Between ten and twelve, the paralysis starts to
take form and it's no longer visible. I start seeing
these insect people and reptilian and it just became so intense.
They were prodding me. I was in the paralysis state,

(51:29):
and I was being prodded and prodded and prodded by
like a sharp knife like fingers, and I was waking
up with physical scratches and cuts. You know. My parents
just couldn't understand it. They just they could It just
didn't make sense what was going on. They were thinking.
Mum would say things like, oh, you know, you must
be hitting yourself in the bed, or you must be

(51:51):
maybe you know, you bumped yourself. And these were scratches
that often drawing blood, you know. And when that happened,
there was always something that I saw that tied in
with it, Like I said, they would have I would
wake scratches on the legs. So what happened? Because this
was happening on and off, my mum got into the

(52:14):
habit of changing the bedrooms around. She thought, maybe this
might fix the problem if we take her out of
that room and put her in one of the other
kids rooms. And it became like musical chairs, and bizarrely,
each room a different type of phenomena took place. One
room was, which was my sister's room, was where I
had the most sleep paralysis encounters. My brother's room was apparitions,

(52:39):
but the scary one that I mentioned. But in my bedroom,
which was by the kitchen, was where I saw aliens
or the eighteen grade type tall grace and humanoid beings
in my room, walking through walls and out the window,
and they would ever now and then they'd come up

(53:01):
to me while I was frozen in my sleep, and
they would put their hand over my eyes, like in
recognition of can you see me? We can see you?
Are you seeing me? And they would do that and
there would be this chilling breeze that would go past
with as they walked past. It was a very very cold,
chilling breeze. They didn't seem to do anything with me

(53:23):
at that point, while not that I had any memory of,
it just seemed to be that constant presence around me
in my room. When I was thirteen kind of went quiet.
I had a bit of a break. It just, you know,
the horror of the constant paralysis, and the beings kind
of stopped. When I was fourteen, there was a lady

(53:48):
friend of my mum's who had come to visit us,
and she was trying to convince my mum to go
to a Spiritualist church because you know, she's quite in treat.
Because the Spiritualist church had ladies who were mediums and
they would do readings, and she thought that it might

(54:09):
be helpful to go there and get a reading and
maybe find out what exactly is going on with me.
So it was agreed that okay, we'd go, and I
went and it was quite a fun experience, the very
first one that I went to because I did have
a reading, and the lady that read for me said

(54:29):
something that actually came out. She said that she saw
I had these shoes on that had these little butterflies
on butterfly and she said, those little those shoes of
yours with the little bows the butterflies remind me of
a butterfly. And you're going to be someone who's going
to fly off and I see you on a big stage,

(54:49):
and I see you singing on a big stage, and
you're going to be a girl that does a lot
of traveling in your lifetime. So that was at fourteen.
It actually did happen at seven team I actually went
on and I was actually performing and singing when I
was young. But at the age of seventeen, I went
on a television show and from that I got a

(55:11):
contract to work overseas in a very large scale production
and that went, you know, to some Asian countries, and
that pretty much set me on a path of travel
and being passionate about travel, so that was a very
interesting experience. But it was the second time that I

(55:32):
went to the same spiritualist church in Subiaco was where
I had the most bizarre experience. After the reading, our reading,
we were asked to form a circle, so we did that.
I didn't know what was going on. I just thought
what was going to happen was someone was going to
be in the middle of the circle and just doing

(55:55):
spot readings for people. That's what I was thinking was
going to happen. But it wasn't. That wasn't what was
going to happen. Instead, what happened was a seance, and
they brought out this little what I would describe as
like a little cabinet with a black curtain on it.
They placed that not in the middle of the room,
but sort of a bit set back but scentered, and

(56:16):
then they began singing songs to the piano and turned
the lights off, and they had a bit of a
very dim light in the background, dim red light, and
the most incredible thing occurred. I saw with my own
eyes a manifestation of a hand. I saw it form
through what I could describe as a like a smoke

(56:41):
flucker it was coming out of this cabinet. I don't
know where it was coming from. I'm assuming it was
the lady that was in there at the time. I
was just I was beside myself trying to work out
what it was that I was seeing, and it was
floating in the air, and then it started to form
into a hand, like a proper hand. They had locke

(57:05):
what I would well, they call it a trumpet. I
didn't know what it was. It just looked like a cylinder.
And they had some musical instruments on the floor, like
the triangle and a tambourine and some miracas, and I
didn't know what that was going to be about. But
they had all this on the floor, and I was
watching this thing manifest and then a voice came. I

(57:29):
don't even know where the voice came from, because back
in those days we're talking about, oh my gosh, you know,
in the eighties, no before sorry, yeah, early eighties, so
this is early eighties. There was no CDs. Everything was
cassette tape, so you know, and this definitely was not
a voice from a cassette tape with that sort of

(57:52):
very faint hissing sound. You know that they had back
in the day. This was a very clear voice, and
it was of a man who was from the UK
because he had a very English voice and very proper
English voice. His voice was projecting in the room and

(58:13):
he was just chatting to the people there and engaging.
And he made a beeline towards me this hand. When
I say he, I'm just identifying with the voice and
the hand. I didn't see a body. I didn't see
a head, I didn't see feet. I just saw this
hand floating through the air and it came towards me

(58:37):
and it shook my hand and it was life like.
It felt like a human hand. It didn't feel like
a fake hand or it had warmth to it, life
to it. The fingers moved like my fingers and your
fingers with me. And he said, how do you do
to me? When he put his hand out, and then

(58:58):
he did the most bizarre thing. He fingerpalm me, which
freaked me out. And then I pulled my hand back.
And I don't know if people know what that means,
but back in the day, in my day, that was
like a you know, that was a very negative thing
to do to somebody. It was like a sexual sort

(59:18):
of you know suggestion. So I was fourteen, and it
was frightening. I watched this thing just disappear, Literally it
evaporated in front of my eyes. So it went from
a solid object to nothing. And then the aftermath of that,
you know, the whole seance was over, and the lights

(59:41):
went on, and all the ladies in there who came
about and started chatting with each other, And I mentioned
to the family friend that was with me what she
saw and the way that she was sitting where she
was angled. She didn't get such a good view as
I did, but she just didn't want to believe believe

(01:00:03):
it at all, said, Na, there must be some kind
of trick to it. There must be Maybe it's a
fake hand, maybe this fishing wire, maybe this, maybe there's that.
There's all these one hundred and one things that she
thought it was, And she just totally outright dismissed it
and dismissed the fact that I truly believed that it

(01:00:24):
was real.

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I got to speak to a couple of the ladies
there that were long term sort of people that went
they were part of that church, you know, and what
they shared with me was that that this person was
their control. I didn't know what that meant at the time,
and that he came through quite often when they did

(01:01:29):
their seancewers, so it wasn't somebody foreign to them, and
they appeared to have a lot of trust with this entity.
And I just and the lady friend, I mean, she
heard this, but she just thought she just didn't want
to register it. She didn't want to believe it. She
just thought they were all making it up. I didn't

(01:01:50):
know what to say. I didn't know how to tell
them what that being, that entity, what it did to me.
So because they appeared to really trusted and seemed to
be someone that they communicate with when they do their stasses,
So that was that, you know, I walked away from
that and I didn't go back there again. Things begin

(01:02:12):
to settle for me around the age of sixteen, and
by the age of seventeen, I left overseas on that
contract singing in that show. Everything was good. I didn't
experience another thing for the whole time I was away,
and I don't even know how I had this huge

(01:02:32):
break from all this stuff. It was like, you know,
getting out of the country, getting away from it all
just seemed to do something. I don't know. But unfortunately
that wasn't going to be forever, and I did have
to come back, and my father actually contacted me while
I was over there, and still sort of this is

(01:02:54):
now in Korea. When I was in Korea and they
were having Mum and Dad were having problems, he wanted
me back home and he wasn't coping. You know, I've
always been a family first person. So I gave everything
up and I came home to help my dad, help
my mum and give them the opportunity to take a
holiday and go overseas for three months, and I was

(01:03:17):
left to run the house. And that's when all the
polter guys start started to happen. So it was just surreal.
It wasn't there it was no longer just me witnessing
these things, like with the sleep paralysis and stuff. Now
you know, there was my siblings and friends and things
that were all sort of part of it. Now, Humanoids
started appearing around the house outside. The same ones that

(01:03:39):
were in my bedroom were now physically outside. And other
people were seeing strange sounds and lights, lights switching on
and off, things going missing and reappearing, slamming doors, cupboards
and chairs moving across the room, loud voices from nowhere, footsteps.
When my parents returned, the phenomena was getting very intense

(01:04:00):
for me and other members in the family. It kind
of became like a cancer, and it spread out to
my friends. As an example, one of my friends, I
stayed the night over her house and she absolutely knew
nothing about my seance experience, and this thing hit hiked
onto her. The next day, I left her house from

(01:04:21):
staying that night, and I went back home that later
that day, she was in her room and she felt
touching all over her body, and the breeze, the cold
breeze and all that that came with it first, and
then it began to get a little bit intense and
it was touching her in private areas. She had goosepun

(01:04:44):
feeling come over her. She yells out to her mother
in the other room, and her mother comes running up.
She feels a hand around her neck, choking her, and
literally from two meters, this force, invisible force that she
couldn't see, lifted her up off the four and threw
her up against the wall with a force, literally flying

(01:05:07):
through the air, hitting her head on impact on the wall.
Her mother was shocked, she left her room. They contacted
the priest who came over. I don't know if it
was on the same day or the next day, and
a priest came over and I was never invited to
stay the night there. Again, her mother blamed me as
I was the only person that came to her mind.
This friend went on to experience severe sleep paralysis like myself.

(01:05:32):
Mine were more violent and abusive in that sense, but
hers became very sexual though it was very habitual rape
and sexualcounters over many decades, which has you know, it
still goes on today, but not nowhere near as bad
as it was back then. Sadly, for her, there's a

(01:05:56):
lot of shame. Her partner thinks she's an absolute curt
which is so destroying for her, he doesn't believe any
of it. I don't know personally how she can endure
being in a relationship with somebody like that. I myself
was divorced twenty two years ago and remained a single parent,
and have found it difficult to find a decent, loving

(01:06:16):
partner who understands and demonstrates sympathy and kindness, who doesn't
add to this kind of trauma with their arrogant attitudes
and beliefs and our right dismissal of what's being shared.
What I've encountered instead is even sometimes deliberate provocation just
to get a reaction and arise. You know, it's I've

(01:06:38):
experienced really sort of narcissistic type sort of behavior from people.
But you know, the message I I and other people
like me who have this within their relationships is subliminally
you are perceiving that they're perceiving that you're untrustworthy and crazy.

(01:06:58):
So it begs the question why do people want to
be with you? They think that about you, So, you know,
I kind of see that in people now. Because it's
quite toxic to anyone's mental health, I'll walk away. But sadly,
for some of my married friends who are encountering a
lot of this hitchhiker effect. Yeah, they kind of feel

(01:07:21):
trapped in their scenarios and if they could financially, they'd
probably escape. If they had the means. Financial means, I
could almost guarantee they would. My folks, they also got
priests in to see if it would make a difference,
and it didn't. We started to hold prayer groups in
the house. So this is now nineteen Now I get

(01:07:42):
to experience another type of sance, only this time it's
a group of several charismatic Catholic women praying the Hail
Mary with beans in a circle. The positive thing is
they believe me and understood it to be evil as
for their religious beliefs, and you know, I was actually
to Catholics, so I understood why they believed what they believed.

(01:08:05):
So what happened was my mum would organize these prayer
meetings and they we'd get a group of you know,
half a dozen ladies would come over. We'd get in
a circle, and we'd start singing hymns and then go
into prayer, and it would become like a strong man truck,
you know, with much passion and faith behind it. In
the hope that it would clear whatever is happening in

(01:08:27):
the house. One time, there was a wush sound and
an entity manifests in the middle of the group. It
was radiating a strong heat and a light, and it
was intense. It was the first time I've experienced phenomena
with heat. It's always been with chilling cold air. This entity,

(01:08:48):
who they said and believed, and even I did at
the time, we thought it was Jesus. It moves outside
of the inner part of the circle and starts to
walk around everybody. We all feel it, and we're all aware.
The ladies begin praying louder and louder, and I'll look
over into the kitchen and I see red blood writing
on the kitchen wall and the words this is hell.

(01:09:10):
I look over to the group leader and catch her eye.
She's looking at me, and then I'll look at the
kitchen wall and I just point towards the war and
she looks over and she sees it, and then she
looks at me and she mouths, this is help. And
I thought, oh my god, I thank god someone's seen this,

(01:09:33):
because you know, with all that sleep paralysis stuff, and
you know, things walking past the bedroom and being very
much a one man show. I was the only one
seeing it. For some part of it was it was
just very nice to have confirmation that you know you're
not alone. So she saw this the other ladies. When

(01:09:54):
we start talking, the other ladies look over, but it's
now disappeared, and no one else saw it except the too.
The being who walked around us and in the circle
suddenly vanishes and the light and the heat disappears. At
that point, we had derailed from the praying due to
trying to find out if anyone else witnessed the riding
of the kitchen wall. But no, they didn't, and everyone

(01:10:15):
had experienced the entity, which they said was Jesus in
our midst Unfortunately, this didn't fix the problem either. The
shadow people were back in my room about a week later,
and now there was sparks of light or energy walking
around the house in a human form. A few people
were witnessing this together at the same time, not just myself,
and so more polter Geis stuff would start to occur.

(01:10:36):
The curtains were flying up in the air and falling down.
Kitchen cupboard doors would slam open and close. It was
just so much stuff. Nick It just seemed to never
end the fear of it all, you know, it was
just terrifying for me at that time. It led. I
believe it led to the near death experience that I had,

(01:10:56):
which was not near death experience. It was a near
death like experience because I was not dead. I was
very much in my bed asleep. But I really believe
all those sleep paralysis and out of body experiences, which
I'm not even going to go into sharing all of them.

(01:11:18):
Some I was kind of lead like with the obe,
like I was following entities in the house. Others I
was just frozen on the bed. I believe that was
a precursor to the near death like experience because when
it occurred, I went down, you know, the very same
sort of pattern that most people have with it, which

(01:11:40):
at the time, I didn't even know what it was
back in those days. It wasn't even on my radar.
Nobody even discussed it back then. But the whole tunnel,
the white light and getting to well for me what
it was when I was flying through the tunnel towards
the life, when I came through to the other side

(01:12:02):
and there was stuff. There was stuff in that tunnel,
There was movement. It wasn't just me. But when I
got to the light, I was like outside of a location.
What it was what I saw was a grid. It
was like a grid of colored lights like the rainbow,
a rainbow of color lights in this kind of electrified

(01:12:24):
grid that was surrounding place that I.

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
Was going to.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
So I was outside, sort of floating, just there. And
then the next thing I know, something has drawn me
within this rainbow grid of lights and I'm in this
wide expanse. But what I do want to say is
a year after this event, the being that I was
drawn to inside that expanse of white light, he actually

(01:12:52):
manifested in real time. So and this was completely mind
boggling for me because how that all happened. Was that
very same lady that ran that charismatic Catholic group. She
had a prayer group at her home that she did.

(01:13:12):
I can't remember if it was every two weeks or
or what it was, but it was regular, and for
the first time I didn't decide. My mother said, you know,
I think it's best you go there and, you know,
and have some more prayers, because the more the better,
because things weren't going away, and they just believe that

(01:13:32):
the more prayer I had. Eventually it would and I
really was reluctant to go. I was cutting, you know, prayers,
praying churches. Nothing worked prayers. So I was at that
in my mind, was at that sort of stage of
just give it up. But yeah, last minute I decided
to go. Probably the best decision I made. When they

(01:13:54):
were doing hands on healing on me, I was sitting
in a chair and she had her hands on my shoulders.
She was a very good remote viewer, I must say
in hindsight, this woman, she had hands on her shoulders
and was in prayer and she started saying, Oh, there's
a man that's just walked in the room. And she
went on to describe the being from myney death experience,

(01:14:17):
right down to the color of his hair, the scars
on his face, the outfit that he was wearing, his eyes,
the look within his eyes that only I knew. I
was just and I had my eyes closed. She says, Oh,
he's come to give you something. And she says he's
kneeling down and he's handing you a flower, and he

(01:14:39):
says he's saying hope, and then he just disappeared. You know,
after that, I opened my eyes and because I just
assumed that what she was saying that she was seeing
this man clairvoyantly, you know, but she actually saw him physically,
so like the seance that I had, she saw it

(01:15:00):
an actual physical human being sort of standing in front
of her that just appeared, became solid and then disappeared,
which was quite startling for me, but at the same time,
it gave me such a sense of peace to know
that for a whole year my mother was telling me
that my near death like experience was just a dream,

(01:15:22):
because I was getting into these arguments with her, telling
her that Mum, it really felt real. It didn't feel
like a dream. I felt like it felt more real
than here. I just I can't even be picked the colors, everything,
the whole thing about him handing me the flower in
that realm that I was where I was, the flowers
there because he walked, we walked past like a botanical garden.

(01:15:45):
Flowers were singing, they were musical, and they were singing
and telepathically our communication. It was something that I was
just overjoyed at the flowers and to me, that was
like the best experience that I had was what in
the flowers in And yeah, so it was really lovely
that he brought a flower to remind me and he said, hope.

(01:16:07):
So after that, there was another incident that I had
with in relation to trying to remove entities out of
the house. Kind of gave up on the Catholic priests
because that absolutely did nothing, and even the hail on
the areas and all that sort of you know, it
did nothing, seemed to work in a long term way.

(01:16:28):
I actually made contact with the Psychic Society in Perth.
I just started pouring my heart out to them, telling
them what I was going through, and the lady that
addswered the phone said to me, look, we're not really
meant to give people's names over the phone, but she
knew I was young, and she said, look, there is

(01:16:48):
one person that is highly recommended. You know. He was
an elderly gentleman who was renowned in those circles as
a healer. So she gave me his number and contacted him.
Such a very caring, compassionate man, and he decided to
come out and help me. And luckily he wasn't you know,
he only lived about twenty minutes away, so it wasn't

(01:17:10):
too bad. So we arranged it to happen when my
mother was at work in her business, because she would
not have approved me going outside the church and contacting
the psychic society, even though we had that. She allowed
me to go to the salance at the Spiritualist church,
and I think that's potentially the reason why was because

(01:17:32):
of what happened from there. So, yeah, he comes over
and he came with his wife. They were at the
front door. I went to answer the door and I
just says, Hi.

Speaker 3 (01:17:43):
How we go?

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
And it was just surreal. This woman had a massive
anxiety attack and just refused to come inside the house.
And I don't know how much information that he had
given her, whether she just or whether it was just
the fact that she was picking up on all the
stuff that was going on in the house. Either way,
she was adamant. There was no way that she was

(01:18:05):
going to enter the house. So she went and sat
in the car. He himself, he just kind of dismissed
it and just said, look, my wife is quite very
sensitive to feeling, whereas I don't have that gift. I
don't feel things the way that she does. So he
came inside. He was fine, he didn't feel anything initially,
and we sat down in my mum's family room and

(01:18:29):
he was sitting in the opposite sofa to me, and
I just he just said, so tell me what's been happening,
you know what's been happening most recently, and so I
started sharing with him. And then in broad daya a
manifestation occurred behind him of a again what appeared to
be an apparition in full color, but not full not

(01:18:52):
the way that you know as in full body form
like what I'd described before with the hand or with
the group leader. I saw the guy guarding from my
near death experience. I no, this was what I was seeing,
was an apparition that was more along the lines of
a holographic apparition. And I looked, I think, I just

(01:19:15):
the blood drained out of my face at that time.
It was just because this was like the first time
I saw something with somebody in color in broad daylight,
and not just in the darkness of my room or
in the darkness of anywhere. So this was bright daylight,
eleven o'clock in the morning, and he saw the look
on my face and he knew straight away that I

(01:19:37):
was seeing something. He said to me, are you are
you witnessing anything? Right now, and I just I was frozen.
I couldn't shake my head, I couldn't go up and down.
I was just fixated on looking at this man from
a very prehistoric time. And he was standing there with
his arms folded, and he was baled. I don't know.

(01:19:58):
I'd say he'd be in his fifties, but he looked
almost like a warrior of some sort, you know, like
some sort of tribal person. I don't know, and I'm
just frozen to myself. And he turned around and he
said to me, I have a fair idea I know
what you're looking at. And he begins to describe exactly
what I'm looking at, to what he's wearing, to what

(01:20:20):
he looks like, and I'm just like wah. And he
said to me, because this is my guide, he comes
with me, and he seems to manifest and pop up
every now and then, and three other clairvoyants have seen
him and have shared his history and what he looks like,

(01:20:42):
and that's why I know what he looks like. And
again it was like, oh, thank god, you know I'm
not crazy. It's actually a real thing. But I think
the thing that got me the most was that the
eyes didn't blink. I don't know why I fixated on that,
but there was no over thinking of the eyes, and
I think because of that, I thought many years later,

(01:21:05):
you know, once I started really delving deep into all
these experiences and potentially what they could be besides demons,
was it was a holographic type of projection. I don't know.
I'm open to interpretation, but it's what it appeared to
me at the time. Anyway. So this being he just

(01:21:29):
kind of disappeared from the feet up. That's all I
can say. It was like a mist that just dissolved
from the feet up, very very quickly. Too. It wasn't
like a very slow process. It was quick. So it
was like in a matter of seconds, like this just disappear. Anyway,
So he decided to get off that chair, and he

(01:21:51):
went in the kitchen and got one of the kitchen
chairs and brought it out into the family room so
that he could sit close to me because he wanted
to pray, and he wanted to pray holding my hands.
So that's what happened. We sat down and he had
his hands. He asked me to put my palms facing up,
and I digged and he put his palms facing down

(01:22:15):
on top of my hands, and he began to pray.
Now he was a Catholic, he was some kind of Christian,
I'm not quite sure which kind, but he kind of
did a lot of healing work because he was retired
and that was sort of something that he did, and
a lot of people would go to his house for prayer.
So he begins to pray, and the most remarkable thing happens,

(01:22:40):
just so unexpectedly. Just it was startling. Actually, I felt
this intense electricity come out of this man's palms and
it shot like it was like a ping pong ball,
you know, just going ping, ping, ping, straight through my
whole body, went through every part up to my head,
into my arms, into my body with this heat, electrified

(01:23:05):
heat with a sort of a buzzy feel to it.
I can't I've never felt it again with anybody else
except this one man. But then again, I haven't really
been out there finding people with this kind of gift.
And I was taken back. I just thought, wow, this
is incredible, and I felt it shoot out of my feet.
After that, he got up and he says, I'm going

(01:23:27):
to go and pray around your bedroom, and the areas
that you go to. And he says, but I'm just
going to focus on your bedroom. And he says, I
can't stay for too much longer because my wife's in
the car. He says, but I'm just going to focus
on your bedroom. And I just want you to know
that this should bring you relief, but you really need
to try and think more positively and put more faith

(01:23:50):
in God, and try not think too much about what's happening,
you know, get out, get out and about do things
and try and take in mind off it. So he
went off into my bedroom and I saw him in
there because the door was open, and I didn't know
exactly what he was doing, but he had his arm
out and he put his arm here and his arm there,

(01:24:11):
and I thought, okay, And that was that, you know.
He did his little prayers in my room, and he left.
That night. I went to bed and my room was
like a glow in the dark. Hundreds of little crosses,
not hundreds, maybe less than hundreds, but there was a
lot of little crosses that were like glow in the dark.

(01:24:32):
That's all I can, you know, Like they were just everywhere.
I had my eyes open and I was looking in
my room, and all these crosses were on the walls,
was on the windows, it was everywhere. Nick, I cannot
begin to tell you that I had a whole month
after that experience. It took maybe a good week for

(01:24:52):
it to start diminishing that the power of this energy
that he had put into my room, and by about
a month it had disappeared. But that time, that four
weeks was enough for me to take on board what
he said and get out and just keep out of
that room as much as possible, and keep away from

(01:25:14):
the house as much as possible. I started going out
and doing all sorts of things, as you do when
you're in your twenties, you know, to keep your mind
off this stuff. But it kind of led me on
a path of you know, I walked away from the church,
the Catholic church. I went down a path of New
Age path. I started looking into that and trying to

(01:25:35):
get understand with all this phenomena and trying to make
sense of it, all the near death experience. The beings, look,
I wasn't even thinking they were real aliens at the time.
I think back then they were just demonic demons basically,
So I didn't put a lot of my research into

(01:25:57):
the UFOs or anything like that. I'm still open to
the fact that, you know, it's quite an evil sort
of thing, you know, because beyond the New Death experience,
a lot of those things were terrifying, scary, not positive
at all. It definitely changes the way that you see

(01:26:17):
the world. I actually I left my home earlier this
couple of months ago. The house that I was living
at that I built. I built a lovely home for
myself and my children.

Speaker 4 (01:26:28):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
It was by the beach, and it was just a
beautiful place. And I left that place because it all
started happening over there again. And I saw a So
this is now, you know, this is all in the
last twelve months. I saw a huge craft fly. It

(01:26:49):
was sort of in the middle of the weeknight. It
was a Wednesday or a Thursday night, at about two
three in the morning. I couldn't sleep and I got
up and I was out by the water. This thing
over the top of my roof low and it had
it was not bright lights at all. Whatever it did,
it dimmed the lights, but it was a huge, huge

(01:27:11):
craft and it came over the top of the roof,
over my old fresco and it just like blinked in
and then blinked down. Like I didn't even really see
it take off. It just was there and then gone.
But it happened, and I had a friend that came
over to visit me one night after that it happened,

(01:27:31):
and we were sitting outside in the off fresco. Both
of us saw a humanoid past the beach running and
she actually saw it first before I did. We were like,
oh my god, is that real? Are we seeing what
we're seeing? And she's describing what she's seeing, and I'm saying,

(01:27:53):
that's exactly what I'm seeing. And because we were so
engrossed in watching this thing darting between the trees and
whatever not, I didn't think I had my phone with me.
I didn't think to pick up and take a pitch
tat because we were just so caught up in it all.
And then it came to me. I thought she pick

(01:28:16):
up my phone, so I went to pick up my
phone and then she says, oh my god, did you
just see that? And I said what? And she goes,
it just went through a portal and I missed it.
I didn't see it. She saw it, but her and
I together, we've actually seen this twice at that house,
and I saw the craft. And now this is all

(01:28:36):
stuff that happened after that reading in twenty twenty one
by that crime Psychic meeting. So these were things that
began to unfold more in the way of the UFOs
and ets as she described. So, yeah, in the end,
I left the house, you know, so I came back

(01:29:00):
to this other property that my kids and I are
at the moment. It really made no difference Nick in
the end, because stuff started happening here as well.

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Speaker 2 (01:29:52):
And this is the last bit that I shared with you.
There's a lot of polterageist activity happening here at the moment.
The last one I shared few was what happened with
the safety pin. I was in my room and I
had a box where I keep safety pins in and
I usually keep it in a drawer in my bathroom anyway,

(01:30:13):
So I got this little box out and I took
a safety pin out. I had put the box away,
and I used this, you know, took the safety pin.
I was going to use it to put and this
much skirt because I've actually, i've actually been on a
bit of a fitness thing and I've lost a bit

(01:30:33):
of weight, and so all my clothes are kind of
bagging now. And it was me putting that together to
hold it in place. But because it was a little pin,
a little gold pin, it wasn't quite big enough. So
I took it off and I put it on the chair,
and with the intention to put it back in the

(01:30:54):
box and get a bigger size safety pin. But I
had some emails that had come through, and my friend
started chatting on messenger and all this sort of stuff
started happening, and I was engrossed on my phone. I'm
in my room and I'm reading what's being said, and
then i'd go to look on the sofa that I'm
sitting on where I put the safety pin on and

(01:31:14):
it's gone, and I'm thinking, okay, it's obviously fallen on
the floor. So I look on the floor. I look everywhere.
I can't find the thing. I thought I might have
sit down the sides of the couch or you know,
under the beneath. I looked high and low. I couldn't
find a safety pin. Now I must say, I've got
a backtrack. I'd actually had been home from a surgery.

(01:31:39):
I had an operation and i'd only been home the
day before, and my daughter because I couldn't lift anything
as part of, you know, part of having this procedure,
I wasn't allowed to lift anything heavy for four weeks.
So my daughter helped me make the bed each morning.
And so that particular morning she helped me make the bed,

(01:32:02):
and I had washed all the sheets and it was
all new sheets, new fitted sheets, new douna new doun,
a cover and everything. So she made the bed with
me mainly her doing it. But the fact is the
reason why I'm saying this is so that you realize
that when I decided to go to bed, I got

(01:32:23):
up and I didn't worry about the safety pin anymore
because I thought, well, it will just show you up
at some point it's fallen somewhere, and I don't know where.
I went to bed, and I switched my little sidelight
on and I pulled back the douner cover and then
I pulled back the top sheet and there was the
safety pin on the fitted sheet, exactly where I lie.

(01:32:45):
And it literally was an hour an hour from when
I put the safety pin down on the chair to
when I decided to go to bed. That's the kind
of things that happens to me in this house and
also to my kids. The very next day, same thing happened,

(01:33:06):
except it wasn't the same jpin. It was exactly the
same thing that happened in the bed, but it was
a little scrolled up roll. I didn't bring it in here,
but it said something. It was like from a clothing store.
It said Sandybank shot it and it had the picture
of an eagle, you know, the logo, the American logo

(01:33:27):
of the eagle. And I had www. Dot universegroup, dot com,
dot au, so that's an actual clothing place. But I
just thought it was bizarre. And it said this is authentic, genuine,
and it said on the top genuine, this is authentic
Sandy Beach and I had that. I mean, I don't
know if there's any symbolic meaning to any of that,

(01:33:49):
or if it was just something that was picked up,
you know, paranormally and placed there, you know, like an aport.
But and then after that, that was it, and that
didn't happen again. It was only the two nights in
a row. People walking up and down the stairs here.
Oh my gosh, that's that happens NonStop. And we've got
timber stairs so you can hear it as a fump thump,

(01:34:10):
dump thump thump thump thump thump, up and down. And
my kids are up one end of the house and
I'm up the end of the house where the staircases smells.
I had this smell of beer. I don't even drink beer,
nobody drinks beer, and the smell of beer like what
you'd expect from some you know, if you go to

(01:34:32):
a bar or a tavern and people spill beer on
the floor, and it's that sort of moldy beer smell
that just manifested in my bedroom. And I went got
my kids, I got my friend who lives down the road,
got the more to come over, and we're all like,
where the Hell's where's this come from? What's this smell?
And then that just just disappeared. Then it just manifested

(01:34:54):
at a different location where the dining area is into
the kitchen in that, just in that where the door
opens up between the carpet and the tire, it manifested
just bear it's strong odor and it was just lingered
on for about ten minutes and then it just disappeared.
We've had some very random sense that we've picked up

(01:35:17):
in this house. The amount of entities that we've seen
here between one of my children and myself is just surreal.
I had a my other house. My girlfriend came over
and we were sitting down having having a coffee. This
tall gray just walked out. We were in the home theater.

(01:35:41):
I had the light on and there was a dim
light in the hallway and where the kitchen area was.
It was it wasn't completely unlit, if you know what
I mean. It wasn't pitch black or anything, even though
it was we were it was a night on. But yeah, no,
there was a light on and we were both sitting
watching a documentary together. This tall gray just walked past

(01:36:06):
the hallway, just walk part both of us. We were
just staring and we were just like, oh my god.
So these are the kind of things that have occurred
to me and my friends. NIW. So I'm going to
leave it at that for now.

Speaker 4 (01:36:16):
Yeah, that is wonderful.

Speaker 3 (01:36:18):
Roles.

Speaker 4 (01:36:18):
How do you feel, Well, I don't know how I feel.

Speaker 2 (01:36:21):
I feel that there's a lot of stuff. I feel
a sense of relief getting it off my chest. So
I do, I really do.

Speaker 4 (01:36:26):
That's the mean thing. And things still occurring to this day, Yeah,
they are.

Speaker 2 (01:36:31):
They are still occurring. They're still occurring. I mean today, No,
not today, but fifteenth the dune, I think was when
the safety pin thing was happening, but more recently, like
about a week ago. Yeah, the staircase. And you know,
we all hear it. It's not just me hearing it.
We're all hearing it because you know, when I hear it,
I notify people to see if they're going to be

(01:36:54):
picking up what I'm picking up. That's pretty much where
it's been. But you know, because there has been so
prolific amount of things that have happened, as I mentioned
to you before, it kind of become a bit desensitized
to it a bit, you know, and I think it is.
It's part of it's a way to cope, and it's
a way to deal with, to be able to deal

(01:37:15):
living your day day day and day. I mean, I
hold a really responsible job. In fact, not long ago,
I got a promotion, you know, and you know it's
gone quite senior in what I do, and somehow I
can put this stuff completely in a compartment and be
able to function and you know, carry on life and

(01:37:38):
not and just be aware that, yeah, it's there, it's
happening it. I mean, it hasn't killed me. It's like
I said, it's like being in a suspense a mystery
suspense thriller novel. That's what it feels like. You know,
it's just start and stop, start and stop, and it's
intermittent and it just keeps going. I don't know why

(01:37:59):
it keeps. I'm hoping that maybe sharing this with you
today might make it stop. Who knows. Well, what I
have found is you know when I mentioned to you
about that clairvoyant when I was fourteen and said that
I was going to be doing a lot of traveling
in my life, well that was dead dead on. I
have traveled everywhere, and you know, we do a lot

(01:38:22):
of cruise ships. You know, I've been a girl that
was brought up on boats. I just it's just so
bizarre that when I get on a plane with the kids,
and I get on a plane and or we get
on a cruise ship or go away somewhere, it all
kind of it's just like a reprieve. We have a

(01:38:42):
break from it. So I don't know what that's all about.
I Mean, what I'm saying is I don't see the
grays in the cabin of the cruise ship. I don't
see it in the hotel room, you know, when I'm
on holiday, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:38:54):
Yeah, so when you're getting away from it all, it's
all quiet and sane.

Speaker 2 (01:38:57):
Just see, it just seems to quiet down the it
Or maybe I'm just not because I'm not as in
tune to it at the time. I don't know. I
really don't know. Like I said, a lot of things
occurred with other people and other than the sleep paralysis
of course, and a couple of those apparitions when I
was young, but most of it has been with other

(01:39:20):
family members. There's definitely some kind of link to that.
As far as the dreams, even that's linked because my kids.
They both have these prophetic dreams as well. And I
don't know if there's something that's been passed on DNA wise,
but even my friend, my really good friends, So this

(01:39:41):
is almost like a hitchhiker. Even with these expressions of
psychic abilities and things like that, it seems to be
all of us. We've all got it. I mean, my
friend has told me dreams that she's had that I've
been in that have actually happened. And yet and someone
else would say, well, hang on, it's her dream, it

(01:40:02):
really should be about her. But yet I've had the
same thing. So through dreams, it's not always just about
your subconscious Sometimes you are tapping into the subconscious minds
or into the consciousness of other people. So that's another
sort of phenomena. I find that's quite fascinating that we

(01:40:23):
all seem to have leaped together. But yeah, but I
think mine's a little bit more more evolved, maybe because
I've been experiencing all this stuff a lot longer.

Speaker 4 (01:40:33):
These things are or connected, you know, with not just
the people of the living, that people that have passed.
It is something which does happen to people very much,
so very much.

Speaker 2 (01:40:42):
So, I mean, I can't even begin to tell you
how many people. I mean, I've had people like that lady,
the one that saw the ets all around me. I've
had people like her and that have said to me,
you know, you have a profound gift and you're not
using it. You know, you're just it's sort of squandering it.
My sister she's a medium, she's a clearvoyant. That's what

(01:41:07):
she does as a profession. I didn't go down that path,
but I do think that we've all got this within ourselves. Yeah,
maybe I should, Maybe I should do that. I don't know.
I think because while worked out, my path was a
bit more traumatic with the abduction and everything. I'm kind
of not that interested, really, I think deep down, because

(01:41:29):
it really it opens up yourself to even more of
the unknown.

Speaker 4 (01:41:35):
Yeah, but it also can help you to be more focused.
You learn ways to protect yourself and have a lot
more control over what's happening.

Speaker 2 (01:41:45):
And I do that. The way that I do it
that works for me is through meditation, which is why
I think I mentioned earlier. For me, I feel I
have to get myself into the right frame of mind
and then I make my connection to my gun, who
is that gentleman that gave me that flower. That's the

(01:42:05):
person I talk to. That's the person who I consider
my guardian, and so I feel comfortable making that connection
with that person, and I do get answers. Like I said,
it's like an inner knowingness, a very all encompassing feeling.
And when I get that feeling, I get a sense
of peace and I know that the answer is correct,

(01:42:30):
the question has been answered. But when I don't, I
tend to just aside and not do much with it.
Otherwise I would just rack my brain out trying to
analyze and try to make something out of something I'm
not sure what's going on about. Because what I get pictures,
and then I've got to interpret the pictures. And then

(01:42:51):
generally what I feel happens is I'll see something and
there's like three or four messages in that one picture,
and I don't I know, it sounds very bizarre.

Speaker 4 (01:43:02):
Yeah, that is something which I do hear a lot,
is the communication via images.

Speaker 2 (01:43:07):
Yeah, but they are they can actually, I mean from
what I saw, that can actually make a human body
and then make it melt away. That's the thing that
is surreal to me. That's what I saw at that seance,
even though it was just a hand, but it was
to be many many years later. You know, maybe what
third is? I think when I started really investigating it

(01:43:30):
and I came across this blog on paranormal and the
guy that was doing that, he also did a lot
of research on spiritism, I suppose back in one hundred
years ago, and there was a lot of full body
materializations that were even they had you know, physicists and

(01:43:50):
scientists of all kinds and doctors and all that that
would be partake in these seances and they'd take the
pulse and you know, they take samples of the hair.
All this sort of is because they were like real
humans for those moments, with blood, bones, warmth, a real
living human and then just like that, melt away, like

(01:44:14):
the way that I described it, with that sort of
smoky Yeah. I think because I had that experience, it's
made me really question the connection between that and aliens
and the whole them manifesting and then disappearing, and the
whole fact that they can just be walking around like
you and I and then just disappear.

Speaker 4 (01:44:35):
I mean, this is this is why I have the
subjects I do on this show, is because I've always
believe they are connected. How I don't know and why
I don't know, But there is many connections in this
in the whole field. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:44:49):
Yeah, Well, you know, I think there's you know a
lot of people need to go back and read all
that literature from back in the day, you know, because
there's a lot of lot of evidence in relation to
the paranorm. But I think my biggest question was are
they one and the same? Are they two separate things
going on there as in like you know, deceased relatives,

(01:45:12):
like some people believe when they see it as a person,
or is it an alien that has the ability to mask,
you know, shape shift into any form. So that's that's
the big question mark for me. It's another reason why
I don't get dogmatic about beliefs, because even though I've
gone down the path of Christianity and Spiritism and New

(01:45:36):
Age and gone in there and done it hands on
and immersed myself in all these different practices, but I
still have kept myself. You know, I consider myself a
bit of a doubting Thomas. You know, I always seem
to find a loophop, and it keeps me stopping myself

(01:45:56):
from committing to one particular belief because I just feel
that there's just not enough answers.

Speaker 4 (01:46:02):
No, it's finding what works for you.

Speaker 2 (01:46:04):
And I don't think that all the answers are in
the Bible either, even though you know I was very
much a Christian for a long time. But a lot
of things in there that are very credible and we
can relate to today as to what we're saying. But
I think sometimes the language and that whole you know,
that ancient language, it just gets lost in the woodworks
and devils and demons and angels and this and that,

(01:46:27):
when really we could be all talking about the same thing,
but they separate it and make it as if it's
a separate thing altogether. So I tend to sit on
the fence a little bit until we get more information.
And who knows if that's ever really going to happen
in the way that I would like. But as I
said to you before, maybe if we have, if everybody
is all believing this stuff, maybe that might be a

(01:46:49):
scary moment.

Speaker 3 (01:46:50):
Rose.

Speaker 4 (01:46:51):
I really appreciate you coming on the show and sharing
that for our listeners.

Speaker 2 (01:46:54):
Thank you, it was my pleasure.

Speaker 4 (01:46:56):
Wonderful. Okay, you take care of yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:46:58):
I'm just glad I had the opportunity to come here
today and share this stuff with you and get it
off my chest. I feel like I've lost ten kilos.

Speaker 4 (01:47:07):
And we could all do losing.

Speaker 3 (01:47:11):
It's it.

Speaker 4 (01:47:11):
Yeah, it's liberating, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:47:13):
It is?

Speaker 4 (01:47:14):
Okay, wonderful. Okay, you take care of yourself and I'll
talk soon. Thank you, bye, Okay, take care Rose. Thank you.
That's all for this week. Keep updated and connected with
a show on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram. And if you
have an encounter that you'd like to share on the podcast,
you can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com,

(01:47:36):
or you can reach out to me via the contact
page on my website at UFO Chronicles podcast dot com.
A big thank you to Rose for sharing tonight, and
thank you all for listening. I will be back next week.
Till then, stay safe and keep watching us guys. Goodbye,

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