Ep.192 Hidden Valley House (Throwback)

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We are in Oklahoma tonight to hear from Beth and
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of the negative kind, portergeist, along with a possible mantis
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Good morning, Beth, and welcome to the show. Good morning,
Thank you. We've taken a time out this morning to
share with us. Calling from Oklahoma.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yes, very hot, very hot here Oklahoma.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
Lovely Beth, you have several experiences you're going to be sharing,
willas would you like to start at the very beginning, please, ma'am, Yes, I.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Would starting in I was about three or four years old,
so around nineteen sixty nine or nineteen seventy, our family
was spending Christmas Eve with our grandparents in sould For, Oklahoma,
a small town in Oklahoma, and we were there along
with our aunts and uncles. When I say we, it
was me and my sister and my parents. So we

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were there with our aunts and uncles and our cousins.
So all of us and my aunt spent the night
Christmas Eve and the attics. So the house had one large,
facious room with several large windows.

Speaker 5 (03:52):
And a high seat for the attic.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
We all had sleeping bags, and we were really excited.
We were exhausted from the excitement and we had no
trouble getting to sleep that night. In the middle of
the night, I don't know exactly what time it was,
but it was quite dark and I woke up. I
don't recall why I woke up. It was dark with
only the moonlight coming through the windows the soft eliminations.

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No one else was awake, and I walked over to
one of the large windows and looked outside. I immediately
saw three red, reddish glowing lights in the sky halfway
between the dark rooftops I could see across the street
and the zenus of the sky within my visual range.

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The light appeared slightly larger in diameter than a star,
and they were in a loose line, moving in a slow,
smooth bobbing progression laterally from left to right across the sky.

Speaker 5 (04:57):
I was awestruck.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
I just I felt so much elation and excitement because
I just knew this was Santa Claus and Reindeers.

Speaker 5 (05:05):
And so I stood.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
Watch this as this trillo red light slowly disappeared from
my view off to the right. And then I excitedly
went to my cousins sleeping for on their sleeping bag,
trying to wake up gently. I wanted to live know
I saw Santa Claus and the Reindeers. I tried to

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wake up my aunt, but she wouldn't wake up either,
So eventually I went back to the window. I didn't
see the lights reappeared, and I knew I should probably
get back in my sleeping bag or Santa Claus wouldn't
come down the chimney with its presence so I was
actually recently talking to my mom about this memory and
asked her if I had said anything to her, or
Dad or anyone the next morning, Christmas morning. She said yes,

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she clearly remembers me telling everyone several times that I
had seen Santa Claus's lights in the sky, and my
mom said that Bertha, my grandmother, had arranged for a
man dressed up as Santa Claus to actually visit the
house that Christmas morning, and that I was not interested
in him one bit. I personally don't remember that dressed

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up Santa Claus being to the house, but Mom said
that she remembers it very well and I clearly was
not interested in him.

Speaker 5 (06:23):
Again.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
In nineteen sixty nine or nineteen seventy, we were in Wichita,
Kansas was at the time, and after that Christmas Eve
siding of the red light sometime during that for a year,
I had a frightening, vivid, recurring dream. I feel that
I must have been about four years old. Our bedrooms
were upstairs. At the top of the stairs, which ran

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along one of the inside walls of the house, a
long hall ran to the opposite wall, the end of
which was my bedroom, my parents' bedroom was on the
left side of the hall, next to my bedroom, and
then my sister's bedroom, who was a baby at the time,
was next to our parents. She was one or two,
and there was a bathroom halfway along.

Speaker 5 (07:08):
The hall between the top of the stairs in our bedroom.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
In this dream, I was asleep in my bed, so
I was actually asleep, but in my dream I was
also asleep, and I always had to have my door open.
I was as young as I can remember, I was
afraid of sleeping and I had to have the door open.
So in the stream, I was a sleep in my bed,

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and I was awakened by a feeling of dread, like
a foreboding fear and dread because I somehow knew that
something was coming up the stairs to get me.

Speaker 5 (07:43):
I woke up and propped.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
In my dream, I woke up and prot myself on
my side on one elbow, where I could see through
my open door to the end of the hall. At
the top of the stairs, I could hear something coming
up the stairs, and to my horror, a large tiger
topped the stairs, turned into the hall and stared at me.

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It then began walking towards me, staring at me. The
entire time, and it's so vivid I can see it
clearly to this day. I remained frozen for a few
interminable minutes that was always able to manage to scream
and wake up, and of course sad or Mom looked
into my room and stay there so I could go
back to sleep. I had this dream at least at

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least five or six times, always the same.

Speaker 5 (08:35):
Again.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
In nineteen seventy about in Witchtok, Kansas, I had what
I would now designate as a lucid dream. This one
wasn't recurring dream. It was one dream again. I was
about four years in the middle of the night, but
it must have been nearing dawn, because I had this
slightest tinge of like a silvery gray to the darkness.

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I got out of bed and walked out of my
bedroom and into my parents' bedroom, and my mom always
slept on the side of their bed, which was nearest
their door. I don't recall feeling afraid, but I do
recall feeling strange, as though I was dreaming, but somehow
not dreaming. I walked to my mom's side of the bed,
and as I was approaching, I saw many miniature off

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white colored paper parachutes with strings on them, from which
dangled those plastic green military toy men, and they were
appearing from the ceiling of their bedroom above my mom,
floating slowly downward onto my mom's side of the bed.
I watched in amazement as they continue to appear at

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the top of the ceiling, float slowly downward, and land
on my mom's pillow and on top of her side
of the bedspreads. I even reached out and touched one
of the toy men with its parachutes, picked it up,
turning around in my hand. It was real. I do
not remember what happened after that, not at all. My
memory abruptly in at that point. I had no idea

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where I could have seen toy men parachutes is My
sister and I had no toys like that, and I
didn't go to any type of daycare where I would
have seen them. So moving ahead a bit to Oahoma.
We moved to Oklahoma when I was five and my
sister was about two and a half, So around nineteen
seventy two we had moved into a one story house

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where the bedroom which I shared with the sister was
at wind of a hall and our parents' bedroom was
the opposite end of a hall, and there was a
room close to my parents' bedroom which was used as
a study. I was actually around six years old, and
my sister and I were playing with our large, colorful
bird puppets, which we loved, making them run through the
living room and into our room in a loose We

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had stopped with the bird puppets in our bedroom, and
I clearly remember standing in the bedroom and talking to
my sister about our puppets and what we were to play,
what were going, what we were going to do and
play next with them. When I saw a figure in
my paristical vision. I stood very still, and without turning
my head, I focused my attention on this figure. It
was a male figure who was wearing what I somehow

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understood to be an old fashioned suit, and the suit
jacket was multi colored and was glowing slightly, and he
was leaning against the doorway of our bedroom, watching us play.
I sensed that he was smiling and that he seemed
to be safe or nine. I then turned my head
to look straight at him, and his face was directed

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at me. I couldn't distinctly see his facial features or
the color of eye, but I knew he was looking
at me. He wore a medium brown colored fedora hat,
and when I turned at him directly, he brought up
his hand, bent his head down slightly, and he pat
at me. Then he slowly faded away and disappeared.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
Again.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
In this house in nineteen seventy three or nineteen seventy four,
but often play happily by myself in the woods behind
our house, which had a small, shallow creek running through it.
I revered the trees and within my true element, observing
the impacts of merds and small animals exploring the woods,
the cread, the plants and stones and vines. I was

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playing one day near the creek bed and was sitting
and moving the soft filty dirt around with a stick,
and a thought sisely arose in my head, seemingly out
of nowhere. It just entered my mind. I did not
formulate this thought, and it was a single sentence, and
it said, you were a witch. No, I was only

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seven or eight years old. I didn't know what to
make of this, and had no idea what to do
with such a thought. But I know now in retrospect
that it arose in part in response to my love
of the woods and nature, my feeling of being whole
when in those woods, and that it most likely was
a past life remembrance. But at that time, and I
heard those words drop like pebbles into my mind, I

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was not I'm afraid. I could only wonder at it.
I knew about the general idea of a witch only
as it related to Halloween, but this feeling in context
was completely different, and I had knowledge of the true
history practice in Wicka and treatment abuse of witches.

Speaker 5 (13:17):
Of note.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
Aside from my fear of going to sleep in a
sense of persistent unease regarding bedtime, my childhood up until
the age of ten was generally happy. I loved to read,
I could read for hours, and I immersed myself in
all things artistic available to children. I was building cairns
outside before I knew what they were, spending hours with
my life right drawing with colored temples. I woke up

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each day anticipating my time exploring the backyard wilderness, and
I was endless, curious and somewhat headstrong to all outward appearances.
My sister and I were raised in a stable home
with a relatively healthy family dynamic. My parents attended the
Church of Christ until around nineteen eighty. I myself held
a strong inherent distace for a church and Orthodox religion,

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which began as early as I can remember, but I
didn't voice this until my later teen years. My father
was a well respeved doctor who ended the uber of
his medical practice to include hypnosis and holistic medicine in
the mid nineteen seventies. Beginning then, my mom had been
a fourth grade teacher who became a stay at home

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mom after I and my sister were born and we
were financially toptable again in the same house around nineteen
seventy five. I must have been eight years old or
so when the following experience occurred. Our mom had rearranged
our bedroom so that my bed and my sister's said
were now on opposite side, with our desks between them,

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and our deaths had like a tall bookshelf on top
of each event, so this created type of screen between us.
My bed was directing against the walls as you walked
through the door into bedroom. My sister's bed was again
to sit wall furthest from the door. I awoke, or
I thought I awoke. It might be a lucid dream,

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but I thought I woke up. It was in the
middle of the night, and there was a dark, blacker
than black shadow figure. I knew it was male. It
had a male energy, and it was hovering directly over me,
close to my face, almost on top of me, and
I overcome with fear and horror. It felt as though

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this figure were lying on me, directly on top of me,
and I felt that I had difficulty breathing, like it
was smothering me, and I couldn't move.

Speaker 5 (15:39):
I closed my eyes.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
And I made the effort to scream as loudly as
I could, and I called out from my parents. When
I opened my eyes, the figure was gone. My heart
was racing, I was breathing shadowly and quickly, and I
was still afraid to move. It's made I'm a little
afraid right now talking about it. But I think I
was able to get out of bed, run down Paul

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to our parents' bedroom. But I don't remember what.

Speaker 5 (16:03):
Happened after that. Again in the same house.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
It was about nineteen seventy six, when I was in
fifth grade. My fifth grade teacher I was I was
in my classroom. My fifth grade teacher had come frustrated
and angry by other student behavior. She was standing behind
her desk, the chalkboard was behind her, and I was
watching her. Suddenly I witnessed a flowing wave of brownish

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red spurt from the head slowly spread head. It looked
like she was wearing liquood downish red halo it. Then
I saw it for about oh a good three or
four minutes while she was standing up there talking and
you could clearly see she was frustrated. But I saw

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this red halo around her head for a good three
or four minutes. Later, I told my parents about it,
and my dad said that I had seen her aura.
So that was the first time I heard about aura again.
In nineteen seventy six, again, I was in fifth grade.
I was ten years old. I began to experience a

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loathing and hatred towards my body, and I would stand
in front of a mirror in our bathroom. It was
a bathroom off of my sister the bedroom I shared
with me with my sister. I would stand in this bathroom,
which had a large mirror, and with my hands insists,
I would beat and pound my arms, my stomach, my
thighs repeatedly and on many occasions, leaving bruises concomminantly, I

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began to experience what I now know to be depression.
I felt alone. I began to feel confused, overwhelmed, and
detached from and I felt unlike and attached from any
of my schoolmates. I had a few friends, but feelings
of detachments began to grow.

Speaker 5 (17:52):
At that time.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
We moved to another house in the same town in Oklahore.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
I was.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
It was between five and sixth grades. I was around
ten years ten to eleven years old, and my sister
was around seven years old. We moved to a large
house which had a few acres of land. There was
an upstairs floor in this house which consisted of three
bedrooms and a bathroom, and my sister and I for
a year or two shared one of those bedrooms, after
which each of us occupied separate bedroom. I will never

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forget the first time our parents took my sister and
I to the house on Hidden Valley to see it
before we moved in. The living room was very large,
with a floor of Spanish pile which continued around a
corner into the dining room. The glass doors at the
rear of the living room opened onto a large back porch,
next to which was a swimming pool. Beyond the porch

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and the swimming pool to the general east stretched a
link of green grass and an old giant oak tree,
beside which our parents made a fire pit and cooked
hopped off and s'mores in the summers. Also behind a
hose near the north edge of the property the small
single bedroom guest house where our maternal grandfather and grandmothers
stayed occasionally when not traveling, and where our grandfather lived

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after our grandmother pussed away. On the general south edge
of the property. Behind and to the south of the
main house was a small barn. For a few years,
my sister and I had two horses to the east
of the grassy property. To the east of the little house,
as we named it, and the barn was a stretch
of extremely dense dark woods and tangled vines which led

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to the eastern limit of the property, through which it
was possible to navigate even on horseback, and our horses
did not enjoy the least my sisters sew attempts to
force them to enter it. So returning to the interior house,
to the right of the living room ran a short
hall to our parents' bedroom. They had a little sitting
room and our large bathrooms, and also to the right

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of the living room, opposite the hall that led to
our parents' bedroom was a flight of stairs leading to
the up stairs bedrooms and bathrooms, which I mentioned earlier
on the day that we walked through the house for
the first time. As my sister and I began walking
up the stairs, our parents in front of us, I
immediately began to feel an oppressive weight, which I had

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already in a few places throughout the main floor of
the house had already felt this, although less intensely. However,
as we walked up the stairs and passed a strange
stained glass window which to me radiated on this energy
and gave me the creeps. Sit then this window was
situated midway up the stairs. This ceiling of oppressive weight increased.

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The bedroom at the end of the hall on the
right had been the previous family teenage boys rooms, I
learned is a little later, and every wall was painted
black and it exuded a malignant ceiling. My sister and
I talked later about this, and both of us felt it.
I remember looking at the other rooms, but all I

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remember about that initial upstairs walk walk through was that
terrible room with the black walls and the impressive ceiling
of the entire upstairs. So we lived there at that
house we call at the Hidden Valley House in Oklahoma
from nineteen seventy seven to nineteen eighty four. As I
entered sixth grade in the fall of seventy seven, I
began to feel I began to severely strict the amount

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of food I ate. I turned eleven years old in
September of that year. My feelings of isolation, sadness, anger, confusion,
and of being overwhelmed had increased, and I began to
obsess on becoming weightless. Even to this day, I felt
only discussed in anxiety about my body, and I didn't
understand any of this. All I knew was that it

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was imperative that I not speak. In my later adolescence,
while undergoing several years of psychotherapy, I came to understand
the cost psychological underpinning and family dynamics which led to
the development of ANREXI under vosa, But at the time
of its greatest most linking grip on me, I understood
anything about it. Again, I was eleven years old, and

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I was completely helpless to combat it. Although my father
was a doctor, my parents did not know about anirexia nervosa,
and in fact, it was not commonly known in the
general community at all in nineteen seventy eight, much less
in the realm of the media and fashion. Twiggy was
a public model and a public figure at the time
who was extremely thin, but the diagnosis of anirekkin has

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not been well known, and it wasn't known even later
to my knowledge, that she actually had been anorexic. And
I didn't know who Twiggy was until my later teen years. Likewise,
it wasn't known that Karen Carpenter. I don't know. If
you know who Karen Carpenter was, you probably do. She
was a famous musician and singer. She had been diagnosed

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with anorexia nervosa, and I didn't know about this until
my teen years or not, or early twenties. Her long
struggle with anorexia was unpublicized. She died for part fandor
in eight the direct complication of anorexia. She was young.
A full account of diagnostic criteria for anorexia was published

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in the DSM three when it was released in nineteen eighty.
My Struggle with the most Deadly Days of Anorexia for
me began at age eleven, nineteen seventy eight, and began
to slowly easy se thirty at the age of thirteen. However,
the disease and its sequella would nineteen it within me,
although loosening gradually and stubborn land only with the help

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of my family's efforts.

Speaker 5 (23:34):
The efforts of three.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Women won a reiki master, won a powerful psychic from England,
and won a well known psychic in the US. At
that time and the years I spent in therapy, if
I said to say, there was a dual dynastics in
process during this time, which extended from my childhood to
the onset of my illness and through my early twenties.
But the reverberations of this dynamic for me and for

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my sister had permeated our lives to the press day.

Speaker 5 (24:01):
For the purse of.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
This of this journaling and this talk, I'm focusing on
the dynamic of the paranormal and anos. These events were
tangled and braided in the dynamic of traumatic family events
from the beginning, along with the anomalous events since our childhood,
and continued through our early teen years when we moved
into that Hiddon Valley house. My sister and I shared

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the bedroom at the end of the hall upstairs on
the right. That bedroom, which had been painted black, our
parents had repainted it and decorated. Beds were across from
each other. My sister's bed was nearest the door and
my bed was in the corner. In our prettiest home,
we had ritual of mining our stuffed animals around our
beds as protection, and we continued this at this house

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at Hidden Valley. First night that we slept in the
room at Hidden Valley, my sister and I had our
animals lining our beds, and we distinctly heard a ticking
noise exactly symmetrical, a symmetrical beat, beginning at the point
where the bedroom wall met the field, getting at the
corner of the door, and continuing in a metronomic rhythm,

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moving above my sister's head along the wall to above
my bed, across to the opposite corner, and then and
then and then moving back toward my bed, to my
sister's bed, back to the door, and then it would
repeat this process until we finally went to sleep. I
don't know if it continued after we went to sleep.

Speaker 4 (25:26):
But.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
It started around bed time when it got dark and
would not stop. This continued every night for several years.
My sister and I were terrified. We told our parents,
and our dad checked the windows and the roof back side,
but found nothing, and it continued. If I or my
sister had to get up at night to go to
the bathroom, we ran. My sister and I felt both

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the red and fear associated with an overwhelming sense of
a spirit, density and oppression in that house, especially upstairs,
to the point that we constantly felt something right behind us,
looking over our shoulders, stalking us, watching us, and on
certain areas of the ground, particularly the dense wooded area
in back we saw this as well, aside from the

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huge oak trees which I loved, in the grassy area
of the backyard, I felt no sense of happiness or
connection as I had previous roots in the woods at
the previous house when exploring outside. When I played the
piano inside in the living room. The piano was located
in the living room in the corner of the living room,

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close to the glasswords led out to the porch. When
I played the piano, I would see two or three
shadow figures in the p prol visions, and they were
landing or moving slowly in the living room on the
Spanish tile area in front of the stairs which led
up to our bedrooms. My sister and I would pass
through freezing areas of the house, often in always both

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downstairs and upstairs. I would see me shadow figures in
other areas of the house, but most of the time
while I was playing the piano, and they really frightened me.
I was my parents' bathroom one afternoon. I was alone
for the moment, and I was washing my hands at
the sink. As I was drying my hands, the soap

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dish flew from the sink countertop over the bath, across
the room, and landed on the carpet. I stood frozen,
staring at it, and then I ran out of the room.
I cannot overemphasize the extent to which my sister and
I particularly felt this malevolent, unrelenting sense of oppression and
ill intent. Several times we go spend a week at

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a holiday inch relax and get away from the house,
or when we went to visit relatives for a weekend
or went out of town for some time. I did
well in school ademically, but I remained anxious and shy
in that environment, my wight pointed to fifty two pounds.
In seventh grade, when I was eleven twelve and a
sense of oppression at our home was unrelenting. I saw

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shadow figures almost daily. My parents were stressed because they
couldn't force me to eat, and my sister was suffering
with all of this.

Speaker 5 (28:09):
Also, along with their own sense of being neglected.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
All of the attention was on me. Unfortunately, I felt
increasingly detached and helpless. All ultimately mattered to me was
to lose weight and to be light as air, such
an ironic disease. Considering that the only way for me
to feel all tell me feel a sense of agency
was to starve myself out of the discomfort of my body,

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which has only anxiety and overwhelming sadness. To starve the
point of possible annihilation, I felt that I was a small,
pinned prick of light within myself, essentially barely there. My
mother had been doing extensive research and had discovered the
existence of the disease anarexkin ubosa, and thus began the

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series of meetings with psychologists, diagnostic testing, and therapies, along
with different behavior modification techns, none of which cured me
of anorexia, but most likely did flow its progress. One afternoon,
shortly after it was known that I weighed fifty two pounds,
I was informed that the psychologist I was seeing at
the time recommended hospitalization, but later my mother told me

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that she and my dad had decided against that. She
told me that if I was going to die, then
I was going to buy at home. Sometime previous to this,
but during the same year, when I was thirteen, my
dad had got to convention in California where he met
a couple of reiki masters.

Speaker 5 (29:36):
It was at the time I believe that reiki got its.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Major start organized start in the US. He invited one
of them to come to our home, ostensibly to visit
while she was at a conference in Oklahoma City, but
also to see if she could help me. I remember
feeling a strong waves like energy swirling from her hands
around my class hand during her healing session. That this

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healing did not help, at least not in any immediate sense.
My dad then became acquainted with a well known psychic
and astrologist from Chicago. Her name was Irene Hughes, and
he became acquainted with another well known psychic from England
Rose Gladdy, whom he must have meted a seminar or conference.

(30:22):
Irene traveled across the United States for radio interviews, and
Rose lectured at medical institutions in the UK, in Europe,
and in the United States. Irene saved this for a
few days when she had a radio interview in Tulsa, Oklahoma,
and Rose stayed with us over generally the same few
days while she was on tour in the US. I

(30:46):
remember the first time I met Rose. I will never
forget this. I was standing in the kitchen. I was
twelve years old. My parents were also there, and she
walked into the kitchen and smiled this lovely, radiant smile,
and introduced her. She was a tall, imposing, yet gentle
woman whose presence admitted a power, kindness, and compassion I

(31:07):
had never encountered. I began to cry and I couldn't stop.
Rose and Irene did what they could to help. Rose
said that I was born what she called an open sencidence,
and said that there were two entities attached to me
who were bound to the land and the house, one

(31:28):
elder than eighty, and the other was a young girl.
The girl of the older lady's granddaughter, and this young
girl had died while riding her horse on the pretty
she had snapped her neck. They wanted me to be
with them, They wanted me to save them. Rose informed
us that the elderly lady had been involved during her

(31:50):
life in negative esoteric practices. Rose was able to induce
them though, to leave and move on. Rose also informed
us that there was an entity which was attached to
the land and he had been an Indian who had
been buried on the land where there was a ritual
mound in the dense woods at the back of our properties.

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She said that she did not remove this entity as
he did not want to leave and he was not
negative and would not harm us. She then told us
that there was an old, extremely negative entity, possibly demonic,
which she could not remove, and she was uncertain as
to whether it was bound to the house and or
the land. She also seend us that my illness was

(32:35):
being distibated by the entity, but that we would eventually
leave this house and that I would be all right
in the long term, Irene had been saying. Irene was
the astrologist and psychic who from Chicago, and she had
been staying in the guest house, the little house, and
she saw an entity, a man whom she described to us,

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and my sister spoke up and said that it was
our paternal grandfather, who had been in our memory and
was known to be a very gentle kind person. He
had actually passed away two or three years previously. My
sister had seen him in our driveway, and she told
Irene this. She had seen him in our driveway not
long previously, between the house and the guest house behind

(33:17):
the house, and he had smiled at her, and he
had hit the cat he offered wore a hat. Later,
I learned from my father that my granddad, the paternal
grandfather I was speaking of, he had read the works
of Edgar Casey and had been extremely interested in those works,
and so had my dad. At the time I was
about to turn fourteen, I had managed to keep my

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weight plateaued at fifty two pounds.

Speaker 5 (33:43):
I was weak.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
I was mentally the tease, and I continued to feel
without hope. And although the heavy dread and oppression had
lessened from the house after Rose had induced those two
entities to move on the ceiling of Near Nona, existence
within my body.

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One night afternoon, I was upstairs in my bedroom hanging
up some clothes in my closets when my Mom came
up the stairs and walked into my room, unusual because
there was much tution in between me and my mom
at the time, and she rarely came upstairs.

Speaker 5 (35:32):
She asked me if I.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Would try, just please give it a good try to
eat a little more engaged. Of course, my parents had
asked me these things they countless times, but this time
something was different. You spoke softly, what tension or frustration?
Was something different? In addition, I looked at her and
I told her I would She said that dinner would
be ready soon, and she went downstairs. I came downstairs

(35:57):
a few minutes later, and my dad was sitting at
the bottom of the stairs that the often did, waiting for
my sister and I to come downstairs, usually in the evening,
you know, before dinner time. I told him that Mom
had come upstairs and talked with me, and that I
would try to eat dinner. He was surprised, but also
looked confused. He said that he had been sitting at

(36:17):
the bottom of the stairs for the last forty five
minutes or hour, and that Mom had been in the
kitchen the entire time. I had not gone up there.
So that was an interesting experience. And I don't know.
I don't know what happened there. It was not my mom,
or perhaps it was the projection of my mom, or
perhaps it was something else. But so began my year's

(36:40):
long struggle to maintain a low but non critical wait
and to free myself at the Inn at the Builders.
It wasn't until I was twenty one years old, but
I was able to do so with the help of
my therapist. Unfortunately, I continued to struggle with depression and
to feel displaced within myself. When around sixty or sixteen
years old, my sister and I had gone to stay
for a while week with our paternal grandmother, and we

(37:02):
stayed one night during that time with our aunt and cousin.
This was a gainful for Oklahoma, and they lived in
the same town as our grandmother. That evening, everyone was
asleep and I was still awake. I was sitting in
a recliner in their living room reading a book. Their
dog was resting floor nearby. All was quiet, and suddenly
their dog raised his head, looked directly at me and

(37:24):
slightly behind me. He stood up and he started growling.
He stood there growling at me for it seemed like
several minutes and then he back out of the room
and went into another room. This was a typical behavior
for their dog, who was friendly and sweet, and I
was stunned and also riddled with fears because I knew
something negative was there with me. So I'm going to

(37:46):
step aside from the chronological framework for a moment, a
moment or two. There were a meaningful set of events
that apart which later served to crack open the structure
of my belief system, which had been built around on
me and my sister as children. First, my mother finally
found a woman therapist when I was about fifteen, with

(38:07):
whom I established a significant rapport and whose guidance helped
me to survive the reverberation of the initial onslaught of
anthraxia and carried me through many years of turbulence following
the initial onslought, which included suicide attempts at the age
of eighteen. Those years I spent struggling to maintain a
non critical weight, to live with my overly emphatic self,

(38:30):
and to come to terms with what appeared to me
to be a ludicrous, greed and power obsessed violent society
and world.

Speaker 5 (38:38):
And to do this eventually without the.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
Buffering denial of anorexia. I think that my therapist knew
that we had nearly plucked the superficial brands of the deep,
multifaceted web of well protected traumatic memories, and that we
had progressed, as far as put at that time, with
some goals accomplished and set, including my completing college and
moving on to graduate school. Second a diad of connected

(39:03):
events four years apart. I have two presently healthy daughters,
but in twenty twelve, my younger daughter, who is twelve
years old at that time, revealed to me her traumatic experience,
which she had kept secret for six years. This nearly
shattered me. I was in awe of her brave and
voicingess to me, but I also knew that she was suffering,

(39:24):
so I immediately found a therapist for her, who who
has been an invaluable guide for my daughter. She's doing
fine now. Our father died in twenty fifteen. Then a
couple of months later, in twenty fifteen, my sister's diagnosed
early with an aggressive form of breast cancer. I will
come back to this later, and I hope it hasn't

(39:45):
been confusing kind of jumping ahead of event. I had
been working with my therapist for a couple of years
when I had gone to California to Pepperdine University for
my first year of college in nineteen eighty four and
nineteen eighty five. Academically I did well, but I became
homesick and wed to Oklahoma to that Hidson Valley house,
and I resumed seeing my therapist. I fell into a

(40:08):
deep depression, and after my suicide attempts, my therapist and
I worked were intensely to find a pass towards healing.
She commented often that I had a very strong internal sensor.
We made extremely slow but gradual process. She engaged me
by appealing to academic and intellectual theories and discussions. She
was working on her master's degree in social work, and

(40:29):
we discussed family dynamics, symbiosis, abandon theory, and we read
and discussion a really important book which had recently come
out at that time called The Golden Cage The Enigma
of Annaressia and Rosa by Hilda Rouche. I had tried
to discuss the anomalous experiences I've had, that these held

(40:49):
no validity for her other than watching people were logical manifestations,
magical thinking, perpetuated by my parents, so I had essentially
no one with to discuss these anomalous experiences aside from
my family and the experience. The experiences were still raw
and frightening to me as the word to my sister's,

(41:10):
so I never attempted to talk with about it with anyone,
and my sister didn't either. We actually didn't even talk
with each other about these experiences once we were at
our twenties. In nineteen eighty six, my parents moved to Wichitac, Kansas,
and I decided to move with them. My sister remained
in Edmond, Oklahoma, and proceeded to get her degree and

(41:33):
masters to be there. I continued to drive to the
city once a month to see my parentist throughout nineteen
eighty seven. In late nineteen eighty six, I was I
roomed college and went on to brad and moved on
moved on toward a master's degree in comparative literature with
a minor and women's study. I had begun to listen
to MPR, and there was a special program on NPR

(41:55):
in the evening. This was in the late eighties or
nineties called Night Crossing. It was a new age music
program which played from about ten to eleven o'clock at night,
so in the evenings, as I went to sleep, I
would listen to this, and I had also begun meditating regularly.
One evening, as night crossings ended and I was drifting

(42:18):
off to sleep, I had a lucid dream where I
stood up from the bed and walked over to my
closet door. It was slowly opening my closet door, and
as I was opening the door, I heard a booming,
deep voice in my ears yelling no, while simultaneously the
door was pushed from my grasp and slam shut. I

(42:40):
jolted awake in my bed. I didn't realize until years
later that I was n able to lucid dream once again.
I hadn't had any lucid dreams since my childhood, and
I had had this dream as a result of meditation,
and that something was apparently trying to protect me from
opening it quotes opening the door to a conscious servicing

(43:03):
of traumatic debris. I'd like to go back briefly to
when I was around ten years old. Beginning around nineteen
seventy six or so, my father began searching for more
spiritual avenues which were resonant for him, and he discovered
echencar It's a spiritual organization. This was also the timeframe

(43:23):
when he became a founding member of a holistic medical
society and began to utilize hypnosis and practice in his
medical practice. Later, when I was around fourteen, he had
hypnotized me as a part of my science project at school,
where he drove a long needle through the skin and
tissue of my hand between my thumb and index finger,

(43:44):
and where I was hypnotically directed that I will feel
no pain and would not leave. My parents took pictures
and a video to document this, and I felt no
pain and I did not leave. My dad said that
I easily achieved a deep somnambulist state of hypnosis. Then,
later in nineteen eighty one or eighty two, when I

(44:04):
was fifteen or sixteen and I was still struggling, he
had tried to hypnotize me in an attempt to undergo
hypnotic regression so that I could perhaps recall anything which
might bring some awareness as to the root of the
annexia and thus the key for me to be.

Speaker 5 (44:20):
Free of it.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
However, during this hypnotic regression, I went completely blank as
though an impenetrable barrier had been placed, could remember absolutely nothing,
so turned to Echincar for help, and Mom joined this
group around nineteen seventies. At that time they mailed reading material,
and Dad gave the reading material oriented for children and

(44:42):
the young.

Speaker 5 (44:43):
Teen to me.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
A sister when I was around fifteen or so, expanded
my own reading into spiritual subtopics. I recognized ein as
a welding Eastern suality concepts and Western Christian religion, and
I came to distrust it rather quickly. Father there was
a lifelong adherent to Beckencar, as was my mother until
a couple of years after my dad passed at May. Anyway,

(45:06):
after we moved to Kansas, my dad felt that finally,
with the assistant of Eckencar masters, he was able to
combat and walk out the demonic entity, which he felt
still had it told on me and continued to threaten
my family. So during the years of nineteen eighty six
to two thousand and seven, I experienced a general hiatus

(45:28):
from anomalous events, and I immersed myself in college graduate school.
In nineteen ninety three, when I was twenty seven, two
daughters and my sister also married and had a son
and a daughter. We all had many good years during
this time, creating many wonderful memories. I continued to read literature, philosophy,
and books on art and spirituality, and I continued, at

(45:51):
time sporadically to meditate. I resonated most with Buddhist thoughts,
and I practiced in meditation, but after our first daughter
was born, I became too busy to join a songa group.
Our first daughter was born in ninety seven, and by
the age of nine months, it became a parent that
she wasn't meeting developmental by alesense, and a pediatric developmental
had diagnosed her with cerebral palsy based on an MRI

(46:14):
and testing due to a stroke in utero. My husband
and I went through the stages of grief, but then
got to work, taking her to occupational and physical therapy.
As the next few years went by, we began to
see behavior problems with her, including severe ten per tantrums,
night control, the sleeping, and body movement repetitions, rocking in
the flapping of pans. It's called perseveration and stemming, and

(46:37):
we took her to several psychologists who would only diagnosed
her with pervasive developmental disorder at that time, and it
was an extremely broad diagnosis due to her age. The
stress of these years began to slowly chip away at
our marriage. Our next daughter was born in two thousand.
She was an easy baby, but she did begin to
have night terrors begin the age of one and continuing

(47:00):
to around three. I remember her lady telling me that
during these night terrors, she often saw a strange, empty
landscape with a giant egg shaped object sitting not far
from her, and she was paralyzed with terror. Around two
thousand and two, when our first daughter was five and
our second daughter was two, our oldest daughter's behavior worshened.

(47:24):
She had been in special needs preschool. We were taking
her to a psychologist, and we were doing our best
to parents her with love and patience. But my parenting
strategies and my husband's parenting strategies were not compatible, and
our marriage began to deteriorate. I loved my daughter, deep Lee,
and I believed that her dad did also, but we
were overwhelmed, yet determined to find ways to reach her.

(47:46):
In two thousand and five, our marriage failed, and the
girls and I moved in with my parents for one
and a half years until I bought my own house.
Their dad and I arranged for shared custody, alternating weekends.
On seven, when my older daughter was ten, she was
diagnosed with autism by functioning. The following years involved more therapy,

(48:07):
along with several surgeries to linked in her left heels
court As she grew, and my younger daughter, when she
was five, began to describe to me and painted several
pictures of a young boy who she saw in some
of her lucid dreams and who told her he was
her guide. Through my readings, I knew about guides, and
I knew that my younger daughter was a sensitive I

(48:28):
encouraged her always and emphasized to both my daughters that
they visualized a protective light around themselves every night. I
was mindful of the importance to practice balance between talking
of anomalis and spiritual experiences with them, particularly with my
younger daughter, and tending to everyday physical reality and activity.
In two thousand and seven, I moved into my own house,

(48:50):
a three bedroom, one bath little bungalow. My daughters and
I established a home, adding to our family two sweet cats,
Cocoa and Nisha. My older had incredible, amazing special needs
teachers throughout grade school, middle school, and high school, and
in the long term she did very well and she's
still doing very well. However, there were many many rough

(49:12):
and stressful years along the way. My younger daughter was artistic, sunny, kind,
and quite headstrong, but she and my older daughter never
had a long will, which also led to me stressful
many difficult moments in the situations. In two thousand and
eight or so, my younger daughter was diagnosed with simple
partial feizures, and she took an anti seizure medication for

(49:32):
a few years, after which she no longer needed it.
In fifth grade, she began playing the violin, and over
the years she became extremely proficient and continued.

Speaker 5 (49:41):
To play through high school.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
In two thousand and nine, I was forty three, my
older daughter was twelve, and my younger daughter was nine.
My depression returned. I was exhausted by years of stress
and murray, even though I attempted to meditate regularly and
maintain a positive outlook for my daughters. After many years
of quietude pertaining to my anomalous experiences, I had a

(50:05):
life altering experience in September two thousand and nine, and
I recorded this. So this was in This was in
two thousand and nine. I was forty three. My life
over the past decade thus a few years had been
had some very difficult transitions, which I've mentioned, And at

(50:30):
this time in two thousand and nine, I distinctly and
repetitively had an urgent impression and feeling that I needed
to ask for help on a spiritual level. I knew
I was in the midst of struggling with depression once again,
and I felt physically, mental, emotionally drained and exhausted. I

(50:50):
believe that it was shortly after my forty third birthday
that this event occurred. I had been sleeping comfortably. My
veteran was upstairs, my daughter's dreams for downstairs, and upstairs
it was just my bedroom, nothing else. Every night, my
cat niche would would sleep with me on the bed.
So I had been sleeping, and I felt myself began

(51:14):
to arise to consciousness, toward wakefulness what I later learned
to be the hypnopostic state. When my eyes suddenly opened simultaneously.
Now I say my eyes opened, but I knew that
somehow my physical eyes were closed, and yet my eyes
opened and I could see what looked to be my ceiling,

(51:40):
but I couldn't I couldn't see anything else. Simultaneously, I
heard a soft popping noise in my ears, and my
hearing a brightly change, becoming extremely acute, and my hearing
had been maxified and altered. I've been distinctly heard the
steps stepping up the woodstairs leading from our down stairs

(52:00):
living room hallway up to my bedroom, and with each
footstep I could hear the sweeping sound of a long road.
I diently frightened. The hair stood up on my arms
and the back of my neck and my head, the
top of my head. My heart read increased, My breathing
became quick and shallow, and I tried to move, but

(52:21):
my limbs, my head, my entire body pair line. Strangely,
although my eye were opened, I knew that my physical
eyes were closed, and I could see nothing but the plain,
off white surface of the ceiling, and I was unable
to move my gaze.

Speaker 5 (52:38):
It was as though I could.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
Only see this off white ceiling, even though I sensed
the presence of someone in the room with me, and
could subsequently be shifts in degrees of light. Nisha, my
cat was lying partially on the bed and partially across
my left rib page, with his head and front legs
resting on me, and he was purring happily, contentedly and
quite loudly, and they continued to purr throughout this entire experience.

(53:03):
Because Misha was purring and was obviously not disturbed, I
decided to attempt to call down, take deep breath, and
relax into the experience. So I heard the steps reach
the top of the stairs and walk to the foot
of my beads, the fabric of what I intuited to
be a long robe swishing with each step. There was

(53:24):
absolutely note in my mind that this was not a dream.
I was in a state heightened awareness, and all that
was transpiring was real, even more real somehow than normal reality,
the normal waking state. I felt a sensation of warmth
to sit upon my feet slightly. I had been lying
on my back while sleeping and remained in this position

(53:46):
the present, and I knew this presence being, which was
obviously walking on two legs, but I could neither see
this nor receive an impression as to whether it was
male or female, And this being never communicated anything to me.
It walked from the foot of my bed to my
left side and stopped midway between the foot and head

(54:09):
of my bed. Nisha was still lying on my left
side and purring loudly. I felt a sensation like that
of a light, gentle massaging with what I assumed were hands,
and this massaging was accompanied by focused warmth. The massaging
and warm began at the top of my left leg
and continued down to my left foot. It then moved

(54:32):
to the top of my right leg and continued down
to my right foot. In utter astonishment, I fully realized
that this massaging was not directly on my physical skin,
and yet I felt it intensely in the spit just
above my skin, which yet still seemed to be a
part of my being. And I'm assuming it was my
ephiric body or my subtle body and extension of my

(54:54):
physical self, like a type of radiation for my physical body,
but a to it because I could feel it moving
down legs but without touching my physical skin. It's difficult
to describe, but it was intense yet gentle, very warm.

Speaker 5 (55:09):
Soothing warm, and it was as real as someone.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Touching my physical body, yet altered altogether heightened in sensation.
The Sajing then moved and began at my left of
a rib cape and proceeded down just to below my
belly button. It then began on my right side at
my ribcage, proceeding to just below my belly button. Misha,
my cat, was still purring loudly. At this point. I

(55:35):
was utterly fascinated and amazed. I remaining calm, and I
was just amazed. Suddenly, the light which I can see
above my face greatly intensified and brightened so a light
to me folks over my face and neck. Could not
see the source of this light. My sinuses popped loudly,

(55:58):
both of them. I could feel and hear more pops
from my finesses as this light intensified over my face
and my hearing remained acute tightened the light and warmth
of this energy emanating from this being. Hands then moved
to the top of my head, and I knew that
the being was now positioned directly behind my head. Even

(56:21):
though physically the head that I did was up against
the wall, I knew this being was standing behind my head.
I then felt gently wrapped themselves around the back of
my head, cradling my head at the occipital area, and
I could feel a pull at the base of my skull,
hands pulling upward. I felt my head began to lift,

(56:43):
moving upward from my physical head and also slightly above
the head of my bed, so upward and also moving
at an upward angle above my physical head. And I
could feel my shoulders moving backward and upward, also lifting
writing for my physical body. And I thought with complete
excitement that I knew I was moving out of my body,

(57:07):
and I was consciously aware of it. And I remember
thinking to myself, I'm going to be fine, this is
going to be fine, this is amazing. I'm so excited.
Misha was still purring, and then my alarm went off
and I jolted back into my body and jerked into wakefulness,
physical wakefulness, into the familiar heaviness of my physical body.

(57:30):
Misha jumped off the bed and ran downstairs. I was
devastated that I hadn't been able to continue with the
out of body experience, yet I was also filled with
gratitude and wonder My body, my entire being, felt peaceful,
and also it actually tingled with a physical and auditory
vibrational hum. Several treasured minutes this had been the most

(57:53):
amazing experience of my life, and I'll never forget it.
It thoroughly validated my belief in the soul or in
form of consciousness which survives the body. Since this experience,
I can say I have no fear of death. I
don't know who or what that being was, but I
choose to believe that it may have been my guide

(58:14):
or if not, then a efficient team who responded to
my whole request for help. I wish that that experience
could have continued, for sure, I wish that the being
had communicated with me in some way, but I am sayful,
deeply thankful for that gift and whatever healing was imparted.
So that was that experience, and I have to say

(58:38):
that since then I had like a reation experience. Is
that I feel that this experience allowed me to have
if that makes sense, almost like a ripplett in a pond.
So in retrospect, I know that this out body experience

(58:58):
function not only to help me at the time, but
also to bolster me for the upcoming difficulties of the
years I had. So immediately following this experience, several anomalist
events occurred for about a month afterward, again. This was
in two thousand and nine. I was about forty three.
Every morning, as I awoke early before the girls look up,
I heard distinct voices talking downstairs, male and females coming

(59:20):
from the kitchen. More than two people.

Speaker 5 (59:22):
Actually.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
I initially thought that the radio I had in the
kitchen had somehow turned on by itself. I always listened
to NPR and International Public Radio Commentary every morning.

Speaker 5 (59:33):
As I've made breakfast, so I thought.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
Maybe the radio. I heard the voices every morning as
I came down the stairs, But as I walked into
the kitchen, the voice stated and stopped, and the radio
was nom.

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Also. Over the next six or seven months into twenty ten,
I experienced many hypnopompic and hypnagogic OBEs out of body experiences.
The majority of these were hypnagogic. As I went to
sleep after I meditated and began to fall asleep, I
remember being utterly amazed again the first time this happened.

(01:00:48):
As I fell asleep, I felt tingling vibrations in my
hands and feet. My hearing changed acutely again because quite
close and clear, but in an interior se I sort
of similar to how one years with headphones on with
no incoming sound, or when underwater, very clear. I then
felt my subbody being pulled. No one was pulling it,

(01:01:11):
it was happening without my conscious volition, out of my
physical body to the side of the bed, and then
I floated down to the floor and I could actually
feel the movement and sinking feeling to the floor. I
rose up to the ceiling of my bedroom and kind
of bobbed up there, and I slowly moved toward my window,

(01:01:32):
again feeling like a pulling sensation. I felt could have
forced myself back into my body and consciousness if I
wanted to, but I allowed myself to go with the experience.
I went through the window of my upstairs bedroom and
immediately I was in an ocean, floating horizontally in the water,
deep below the surface, but I could see the surface

(01:01:53):
high above, and the water lit by a beautiful pale
green and light. I began to slowly sink, and I
was not afraid. I saw multitudes of vibrantly colored fish,
small to large fish, many different types, and many of
them seemed a curious note of me. So some of
them were seemed to be actually thinking, I have never

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seen some vivid, vibrant colors. Unfortunately, as I was thinking,
I couldn't maintain this state, and I fell into sleep.
On another occasion, I felt the same tingling and auditory
sensations as I was falling asleep, and my subtle body
was pulled downwards to the end of my bed, down
to the floor, then up again to the ceiling and

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through my window. And this time, as I went through
the window, I was flying through base at an incomprehensible
rate of speed, approaching and passing gorgeously colored, brilliant luminescent stars,
collections of stars with many ranges of colors, really blue, red,
purple lavengers, and many of them seemed to be sentient again,

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and I, just like the fish, and aware of my
passing presence. I then found myself walking down a dirt road.
There were surrounding trees with a blue sky, and it
looked like earth, but I knew that it wasn't earth.
I walked into a type of community, simple houses, and
I walked through the front door of a house which
felt oddly familiar to me. The rooms that the house

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were austere and simple, purposefully so. A man who appeared
to be in his thirties or forties was working in
a room off the kitchen and living room, a type
of work room, and he was doing some type of
woodwork and metallurgy, but he had no special instruments, gloves,
or protective gear. He recognized me, and I felt that
he was glad to see me. But he was very

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serious and somber, and I began to workside him, and
I was perfectly content. I felt a comfortable sense of joy.
Then I fell into sleep. I had many opees where
saying where the same process would occur. As I felt
to sleep, I would pass through my window and would
then find myself flying through deep space. I never knew

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precisely where I was going. It was though I was
being guided but by whom I have no idea, my guide,
my higher self, and interdimensional higher intelligence I don't know.
During one of these opes, I was flying through Deep's
face and saw a cluster of what I thought were
stars multicolored. But as I neared it, flying near it

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and kind of curving around it, it was still far away,
but I could see it clearly.

Speaker 5 (01:04:28):
The light turned to.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Ruby red and they were dispersed in the shape of
a tree, and the ruby red light from the stars
were the light was luminescent, glowing. It was indescribably beautiful. Again.
Later I lost that experience I fell into sleep. On
another occasion, as I fell to sleep, I decided to
attempt to direct the ope to try to try to

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be conscious of what I was doing, and direct myself
downstairs to check on my doughs. As I thank to
the floor, I began to ride again. I turned towards
the top of the stairs. It was then that I
noticed my vision was blurry, and I distinctly felt the
material what I could only describe as a type of cowl,
wrapped around my head and impeding my vision, and I

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heard it rustle against my ears. I still managed to
locate the top of the stairs and I began to
descend in a floating manner. But as I reached the bottom,
I fell into sleep. What puzzled me at What puzzled
me then and does now most about my obees was
the fact that I could not maintain the experience that
with each experience I fell into sleep. Before I returned

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to my house. After a few months, I had several
separate anomalous experiences where in the hypnogogic states and hypnopothic state,
with the concombinant of keep hearing paralysis, I felt and
heard someone lie down on my bed to side. I
could feel the presence next to me, could hear the
comforter and sheep being compressed. Each time it was so

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frightening to me that I was able to jolt myself
free from the frost of state. On one of those occasions,
I was lying on my side. The being or entity
lay down behind me and put an arm around me.
I couldn't move the see of the arm or the
presence behind me, but as before, I was terrified, I
told it myself awake and it was early morning around dawn.

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About four months after that initial experience, I again went
out of my body while falling asleep hitpnagogic, floated out
of my window and an upright position, and found myself
in the ocean. I turned and was floating in a
horizontal position, then facing the surface. Unlike the previous ocean experience, however,
the water was dark sent and a dirty green color.

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There were fish, but they were drab shades of dark
gray and army green, and they took no notice of me.
I began to sink, but this time I felt afraid.
As I was thinking, I turned my bi slightly and
turned my head to look below me, and I saw
a fix swarming of tentacles like those of a great
of a giant octopus, rising up from the depths towards

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my feet. I was now sinking with my feet towards
the bottom in an upright position, but I was looking
down at my feet. I realized with horror that the
tentacles were purposely going for my feet, and I released
a screen and forced myself out of the obe stings.
After these utterly terrifying anomalous experiences, their frequency decreased and

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then ceased, beginning in late twenty ten twenty eleven. Although
my lucid dreams continued unabated. I began to suspect it
possibly all of us have OBEs, but were not conscious
during them most of the time, most of us never
I feel that I was cautiously experiencing these obs, that

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consciousness was at a level where I could experience and
remember these OBEs, and that it was the direct result
of the healing experience during my extended sleep process events.
I also feel that there are gradations of states of
awakening consciousness achieved through meditation and during sleep stakes, ranging
from lucid dreams to obees, and that we can transfer

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from a lucid dream into an obe and vice versa.
I have some interesting dreams that I'm going to skip
those because I have a few more events to share.
Beginning in twenty twelve, a series of extremely difficult events
in my family ensued which nearly ripped our family apart,
the specific details of which I can't reily talk about.

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But in twenty twelve, my younger daughter revealed to me
something which happened to her within our family six years previously,
which she had not remembered until she was twelve. The
repercussions of this were traumatic, but I fully believed and
supported her and over the years and with therapy, she
has sealed and is currently doing very well. In June

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twenty fifteen, my father passed away from complications with Parkinson's disease.
In August twenty fifteen, my sister was diagnosed with breast
care and underwent surgery and began chemotherapy. In twenty seventeen,
my sister experienced a near catastrophic deluge of previously suppressed
traumatic memory as my daughter, My sister, and I opened

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up to each other over the years following twenty seventeen,
this is my younger daughter, we realized that each of
our minds had suppressed traumas which were intergenerational. Belying our
family's outward presentation. Each of us were fortunate to be
able to establish a long standing for an engagement with
female therapists so that we were able to cross these
memories and their reverberations and manifestations in our lives. The

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manifestation of my suppressed trauma had been anorexia, the manifestation
of my sister suppressed trauma had been cancer, and the
manifestation of my daughter suppress trauma had been cutting. We
each also have experienced previously contemporaneously and beyond the physical manifestation,
the trauma annulted throughout live And the only reason I

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mentioned these these physical traumas we had is because I
feel that they are intertwined with our anomalous experiences. So
from twenty twelve to twenty seventeen, my anomal experiences ceased
for a while, but I continued to meditate and I
continued to read voraciously, mainly Tick not Haw and Timia

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Show Learns for emotional and spiritual support. After twenty seventeen,
my sister and I became extremely close. We always had
a good relationship, but after that time our relationship became
unbreakably close, and we discussed our pasts in detail, including
intergenerational trauma and the process of just intergenerational karma. I

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also discussed with her my concept of parallel trauma physical
trauma in this present life and also trauma related intergenerational
karma through reincarnations and anomalous trauma through paranormal experiences in
this life, also possibly tied to generational karma. In the
spring for summer of twenty seventeen, I was living in

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an apartment at that time with my older daughter and
my younger daughter had begun college and she was living
with her boyfriend. And in this apartment there's a living
room and dining room, and off the dining room is
a small balcony, and the entirety of the balcony could
be seen from the living room or.

Speaker 5 (01:11:26):
The dining room.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
It was all glass. So I was walking, I think
it was I think it was on the weekend, because
I think it was like early afternoons. I was walking
in the in the living room slash dining room area,
and I saw on the rail of the balcony. Of course,
this is second second story, it was a praying manshis

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and it was a large one. It was about three
and a half to four inches tall. And I saw
it from inside and it was just standing on the
balcony railing. So I went out to the railing and
I picked it up, and I took it inside, and
I went and got my camera and I took a

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picture of it because I wanted to send it to
my younger daughter. I had never actually seen a praying mantis,
you know, aside from pictures or videos or programs TB programs.
So I was holding this praying mantis and and I kid,
you not. It was staring at me, and it would
not stop staring at me. It's just back there on

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my hand, and I looked at it and kind of
talked to it for I don't know, maybe a good
five minutes. It was a light green color, and I
then walked back out out on the balcony and I
put it back on the railing and I wished it
well then to have a good day, and closed my
door and went about my day. But what's interesting is

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within that week after I saw that mantis, I awoke
early one morning. It was probably I don't don't know
what time it was, it was probably around four o'clock
because when I did fully awake, you know, it had
that early morning light. But I woke due to those
out of body experience stations.

Speaker 5 (01:13:11):
Again.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
I had the acute hearing. I had the tingling in
my hands and feet, in the back of my neck.
But I also heard this really loud, humming noise, and
I had these extremely strong vibrations running from the tailbone
of my spine and I could feel it run all
the way up my spine to the top of my

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cervical spine, the top of my neck to the base
of my skull and then back down to my tailbone,
the whole time vibrating strongly, and the whole time there
was this loud, humming noise. It vibrated like this and
made a circuit of my spine probably five or six times.

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The vibrations were so strong that I was shaking. I
felt like my body was shaking with the force of it.
It did not hurt, it was not painful. And then
it ceased and I awoke fully. And that was the
only time I had an experience like that. I have
not had another experience like that, but again I was

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I was just amazed. In twenty eighteen, I had gone
camping in Colorado, out near Salida with my younger daughters.
We were in separate tents, but for a while we
were in the same tent. We goll asleep in the
same tent night in my tents and we were going
to sleep. We weren't near any other people. We were

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kind of out out in an area where there weren't
any nearly nearly placed tents. And this was quick experience,
but that it had stuck in my memory. I was
again on my way to sleep, and it almost sounded
like a helicopter it sounded my a deep pushing sound

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vibrating again. But it was just a powerful sound in
my ears that seemed to come from some distance and
came walking through the tent and into my tent and
then out. It happens very fast, but it was so
loud and the vibration of it, the force of it
was so strong that it woke me up completely. And

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I asked my daughter, did you hear that? And she
had been asleep, but she woke up and she said no,
I didn't hear anything. So that was a curious instance.
In twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen, things were quiet regarding
my anomalous experiences. Aside from my continued lucid dreaming, I

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have always continued with a meditation practice. In twenty nineteen,
I moved back to Aca City. I took my brought
my older daughter with me. I came back to Opla
City for a better opportunity.

Speaker 5 (01:15:59):
And I'm a sister and mom who lives here.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
My older daughter again is with me, living with me,
and my younger daughter is in a nursing program about
to finish. And my lucid dreams has continued, and I'd
like to share one of those that occurred in two
thousand and February twenty nineteen. I was standing inside of

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a house. It seemed to be made of white marble.
I was at the doorframe, which looked out onto a
white porch with white columns. They looked Grecian, which in
turn looked out onto a blue sky. It seemed that
I was elevated somewhere, that this structure was elevated quite
high somewhere, I don't know where it was. My father

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was standing by one of calling against it, and he
was dressed in a light colored suit. It was a
white colored suit. He just looked at me and made
no move to come closer to me. I looked at
him and said, and I made no move to cross
through the doorway threshold. And he asked me distinctly, are

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you going to give up? I paused in my dream,
and I thought, and I said, no, I am not
going to give up. He said nothing else to me,
and I said nothing else to him. Then an amazingly beautiful,
tall white horse walked up to me and looked at me,
and I started petting it and talking to it. And

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I was telling the horse that I missed her, and
did she remember me, and that's all I remember of
that lucid dream. I fell into a regular dream state.
And I relate that dream because it connects, there's something
interesting about it with a later experience. So June of
twenty twenty one, I'm Oklahoma now, and I was sitting

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on my second floor balcony in Oklahoma before getting ready
for bed. And I still do this every now. I
read and I go outside, and I like to sit
outside and just do a light meditation or just relax
and sit outside, usually between nine and ten o'clock somewhere
around there, and I sit outside for about twenty minutes

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and look at the sky and just relax. And so
I had gone outside onto my balcony and I was
just sitting there quietly, observing the sky and the trees
and enjoying quiet. I knew I had to get up
extra early next morning to take my daughter to set
to a surgery center for a minor surgery, and I
had to have her there at fight thirty. So I
went out on my balcony a little bit earlier, around

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eight forty five or so. The sky was partly cloudy,
but I could still see I could still see the
clear sky. Also it had rained quite a bit over
the last several days. And night, as I was restfully
gazing at the sky, I saw what I thought was
a shooting.

Speaker 5 (01:18:55):
Star and it had a train, so.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
Had it like a shooting star or a shooting meteor,
and had a very clear train to it that you know,
it shot down on my right, up fairly high off
in the distance, and you know, it took like a
second for that shooting star to shoot and the train
to disappear, and I just thought, oh wow, a beautiful

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shooting star. After it disappeared, it was close to where
the shooting star disappeared, maybe flightly high, but about the
same distance as where things star disappeared. A small, round,
bright white light flashed, and it was a flash, quick flash.

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Seconds later, an identical small white light flash, but it
flashed to the far left of my vision, still above
my eye level, but somewhat closer in the sky. Immediately
after this light flashed, another small white light flashed slightly
to the right of mine, directly within the upper branches
of the slender tree, which stands about four yards from

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my balcony. So within seconds that light and it was
the same light. These weren't different lights. That same light
flashed again in the distant sky, slightly to my left,
above eye level, and within the second again the light
flashed directly in front of me, only a few feet

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from the edge of my balcony, between the balcony railing
and my tree. The light did flashed once more, and
this time it was in the distant sky, to the
far left and slightly above my eye gave level, and
then it flashed once more and shot again incredibly swiftly
upward and to the left, with another train of lights

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as it disappeared. This just completely I just sat there
in wonder. I could not believe what I just saw,
but I clearly, clearly saw it. I was not I
was completely awake, I had not been falling asleep. And
this light was clear and bright, and it went from

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far out in the sky I'm not good with I'm
not good with the senses and things like that, but
it was way far out to star and then within
a few flushes it was right up close within my trees,
and then back out again, all within a matter of
I would say, not even three minutes. So that was

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that experience in June of twenty one. In January or
February this year, I was I had a lucid dream
that I would like to relate. I dreamed that I
was in the kitchen area of the Hidden Valley House,
the house that was haunted, and I was in the kitchen.

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The kitchen had a blue carpet flooring to it, and
it was a rather large kitchen. I was standing in
the kitchen. There was no one else in the room
from me, aside from and let me present by saying
this was part of.

Speaker 5 (01:22:03):
A large dream.

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
But I don't remember the first part of the dream.
So I have this specific part of this dream that
I remember very clearly, and it was a lucid dream.
It was very very clear and real. So I was
in the kitchen and on the blue carpet was a
white miniature pony. But it had disproportionately long front and

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back legs, and it was initially lying down in the kitchen.
It was lying on the kitchen carpets with its back
to me, and then it turned and saw me, and
it stood up and walked towards me, and I noticed
it had a long, disproportionately long neck, and it had
a disproportionately long face. And again it's all white it

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walks up to me so that its face is very
close to mine, to my face as though, and I
got the feeling it was trying to communicate something, but
nothing came across. Its eyes were crystal and blue and
shaped like almonds, so it wasn't really a horse's eyes.

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It was not shaped like a horse's eyes, and I
guess horse's eyes are a little bit almond shaped. That
these eyes were shoes.

Speaker 5 (01:23:17):
They were very.

Speaker 1 (01:23:18):
Big and almond shaped, and it was the eyes were
situated near the sides of the horse's head, and it
had a very long face, and it was trying to
tell me something. It seemed somewhat sad, like it knew
something about.

Speaker 5 (01:23:34):
Me and it was saddened.

Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
So maybe because that dream was situated in that Hawket's
house where we had gone through I had gone through,
and we had gone through so much difficulty and trauma,
maybe that's why it seemed so sad. But again, I
don't remember anything else with this lucid dream. I fell
back into a deeper sleep. But I mentioned this because

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I know I believe a couple of your guests had
mentioned the horse face of white Horse, and this experience
was something similar. And again I don't know what it was,
but I had that similar experience. Nick.

Speaker 5 (01:24:11):
I could go on.

Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
I have many more lucid dreams, but I know that
it's getting long, and I believe I've expressed and shared
some of the most important ones to me which affected
my life in a positive way ultimately. And I want
to thank you so much for allowing you to share
these experiences.

Speaker 4 (01:24:32):
Wonderful. You're more than welcome. Yes, you know everything seems intertwined.

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
Yes, definitely so. And it's been it's been arduous at
time trying to figure things out because I know there
are things that I cannot remember, both on a physical
historical level and also on the spiritual or you know,
paranor pH anomalist level. I think that there are things

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that happened that happened that I don't remember. But it's
been a very interesting journey, and I was I would
not take back delete any of my experiences.

Speaker 4 (01:25:12):
Of course. Of course, you know when you lived in
the Valley House and you were saying about the previous
owner's teenage boy, how his room was all painted black,
it makes you wonder that the oppression feeling that was
in the atmosphere, that was in the house probably caused
that teenage boy to then become depressed, I'd guess somewhat.

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
I really believe so. Actually, I recall now that Rose
Gladden psychick from England. He also mentioned that particular room
was where the presence of the entities of the old
lady and her granddaughter.

Speaker 5 (01:25:50):
Were most strong.

Speaker 1 (01:25:52):
And that's also the room where my sister and I
were terrified by those chicking noises at night. So I
do belie that the you know, most likely the teenage
boy who had lived in that room and painted it black,
had been affected in nick way. I don't know anything
about that previous family who left or why they left.

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I think my parents tried to find out about that
that they were unasy.

Speaker 4 (01:26:16):
Yeah, because you said that they were practicing some negative.

Speaker 1 (01:26:20):
Occult Yes, Rose said that the grandmother to the to
the girl, she said that she was into type of
negative occult practices and that she and the daughter were
exacerbating my physical illness at the time, the anorexia, because

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they wanted me to be to stay with them, to
be with them, and that was quite terrifying.

Speaker 4 (01:26:47):
Negative occult practices. It makes you wonder that when people
are dealing with issues, whether it's an are actually a depression.
How much of this is, you know, like you said,
exacerbated from an outside force?

Speaker 1 (01:27:00):
Yes, yes, I do believe that happens. I believe that happens.
And whether whether one inadvertently opens oneself up to these
things by you know, playing with ouigia board or practicing
some occult practices which are you know, more on the

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negative side or can be without knowing.

Speaker 4 (01:27:25):
You know, a.

Speaker 1 (01:27:26):
Board I would never use, but you know, people can
use carrot cards for example. And as long as they're
grounded and they have researched what they're doing, and they
they are spiritually grounded themselves and know how to protect themselves.
And I think that that's okay. But I think if
someone's inadvertently doing this or doing these things on purpose

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without the correct preparation and protection, then yes, you can
definitely open yourself up to some negative entities that are
out there, and I think they're out there all the time.
I never did anything like that, even inadvertently, but Rosea,
I had been born and o sensitive and that this

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is why they were attracted to me. I think also
because I was born an open sensitive. I believe it's
just my opinion that predisposed me to some depression, depression,
and perhaps even that illness.

Speaker 4 (01:28:22):
Alle because of course you're like a beacon. You know
you're going to attract those kinds.

Speaker 1 (01:28:26):
Of energies exactly. And I didn't know. I didn't know
how to protect myself. I do now, but but at
the time I did not know how.

Speaker 4 (01:28:34):
Having lived and survived with anorexia nevosa and depression. Of course,
you know, as people out there which suffer, and you know,
maybe some of our listeners, what advice would you have
for someone that's that's struggling with those types of diseases?

Speaker 1 (01:28:50):
Sure? Sure, yes, And I can honestly say that I
struggled on and off with depression all of my life,
since since I was eleven, and with anorexia that's very difficult,
I am, such a the disease warps your thinking so severely,

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such a strange mental type of illness. But I believe
that I would not have been able to rid myself
of that illness had I not had years of therapy
that was integral. I believe to me being able to
move past completely past that illness. And like I mentioned,

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an illness like that, even though you work on moving
past it. It takes time because it's so severe. It
takes time because there are reverberations from it. It's almost
like it wipes out years of your life and you
have to you have to go back and rebuild that.

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That's the best way I can describe it. But I
think for anyone struggling with anorexia, it is it is
critical that you that you get professional help, that you
get therapy specifically, that's the only thing that helped me.
And I did have a supportive family at the time,
you know, Thank God for my mother and the research
she did and her persistence, I mean her dogged persistence

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and taking me from one psychologist to another, to a
psychiatrist to another psychologist, to all these testings, and she
would not give up. And that's another quick thing is
if you if you see a therapist and you don't
establish repool with that therapist and it's not clicking, leave
go go in a therapist until you find one with

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whom you can establish repool. Because there are there are
so many out there, and you know they're all I'm
sure very good, but you know, it just comes down
to which one you find.

Speaker 5 (01:30:50):
You're rapport with.

Speaker 1 (01:30:51):
Specifically with depression. And honestly, you know, when my depression
came on, my childhood depression at eleven, there there really
wasn't any thing as far as medication to take. Maybe amatrisoline,
you know that old medication, but of course children did
not take that, so there really wasn't anything medication wise
to help me then. And again therapy helped me quite

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a bit. But you know, my depression was such that,
you know, some life events would trigger it and it
would just come at me like beasts and just take
me down. But I kept on seeing my therapist and
she really guided me through all that. And I would
say also that when I started meditating in my twenties,

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that greatly significantly helped me cope with my depression. So
I had my therapist, I had meditation, something I didn't
mention to when I had my When my daughter was
born and my older daughter's behaviors continued to worsen, my
depression hit pretty strong then again, and I recognized it

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as post artum depression. And I called my dad at
the time and I said, no, I woke up. Everyone
would be better off without me. And he said, okay,
I'm calling in a prescription for prozac. I want you
to go get up and start taking it to day,
and I did, and it really really helped me. It

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took about two or three weeks to pick in, but
it was ride a day, and I took. I took
prozac for about three or four years when it really
stopped helping me. And sometimes those SSRI I do that,
they they poop out after a while and decided not
to continue taking it. So I tapered off a bit
and I've done I've done since then. But I do

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meditate regularly. I don't see therapy. I think I stopped
seeing my therapist. I believe I was around twenty three,
twenty two or twenty three, but I had seen her
for six years pretty much. So I had a good
I had a good selection of practices under my under
my belt, so to speak, that I could use to

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to help deal with the depression and function and get
through it and come out of it.

Speaker 4 (01:33:11):
Wonderful advice. Of course, it's a difficult thing to struggle with.
Some people think they can deal with these these issues
on their own without any help, but you know, but
we all need help sometimes, and so it's it's important
to as soon as you recognize you know what possibly
you could have seek the help, the support groups as

(01:33:33):
therapy out there, you know, don't be on your own.

Speaker 1 (01:33:36):
Undoubtedly, yes, big yes to that. Please please seek out help.
There are so many people, so many wonderful good therapists
and support groups, and you know with with people struggling
with depression or with mostly women, some men do some
men a small percentage of men do you have a
rexiner both mostly as women. And you know, treatment with

(01:33:58):
this illness has progressed so far since the eighties. It's
progressed so far, and there's so much out there for
for where people can reach out, can reach out to,
so it's readily available for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:34:12):
That's great. You know, even if that just hits reaches
just one person, you know, that's that's good. Exactly we
have you know, because everyone has you know, everyone has lived,
you know what, most of us have a long life,
you know, and we have all gone through problems, whether
it's mental health or drugs or you know, every you know,
just about everyone, so you know, and everyone needs out

(01:34:32):
now and again. So if it just you know, someone
just reaches one listener, then that's you know, happy about.

Speaker 1 (01:34:38):
That, and That's that's why I this was hard for
me because I and I know many of your other
experiencers who have bravely come off to share their experiences
have mentioned this, but I haven't talked to anyone about these,
particularly the normalless experiences, and I have talked to very
few people about my an xia. So I really wanted

(01:35:03):
to share because I thought, just like I have, I
feel that I have greatly benefited from many many of
the people who have shared on your podcast, And just
like you said, I was hoping that, you know, whether
it's depression or anorexia or you know, the anomalous experiences,
if it strikes a chord, if it helps even one person,

(01:35:26):
then I feel like I feel like it's a great
gift for me, and I'm so thankful and I'm thankful
to have It's so far to be fifty five years old.

Speaker 4 (01:35:36):
It's a good age, mind. I'm not there yet. I'm
not quite there yet, but not far.

Speaker 3 (01:35:39):
Not too far off.

Speaker 1 (01:35:41):
It is, isn't it really is? If there's so much
to look forward to you I thought, you know, I thought,
oh my gosh, fifties, that sounds so old. But I
don't feel old. I don't feel old at all.

Speaker 4 (01:35:53):
Yeah, it's when it's when you reach a point where
the adults used to look up to the film stars
and musicians, you know, when when you've gone past their ages.
You know, that's that's what kind of that's why it
kind of hit me all the all my idols and
you know, from.

Speaker 5 (01:36:08):
The movies and exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:36:11):
Oh and yes, and you know did you hear yesterday
that Olivia Newton John passed away?

Speaker 4 (01:36:16):
That's right, she did. Yeah. Yeah, sad it was cancer,
wasn't it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:21):
Oh? Yes, it was cancer. Her cancer returned. I don't
know in what's born, but yeah, she passed away from
complications from her cancer returning. She was a bright light
for sure, a bright light. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:36:35):
She was loved by many.

Speaker 1 (01:36:36):
Yes, and helped many.

Speaker 4 (01:36:38):
Agreed. Yeah, agreed.

Speaker 5 (01:36:40):
And you know, the.

Speaker 1 (01:36:41):
State of the world right now is not great at all.
So I am particularly mindful to me hate and to
read spiritual, spiritual books.

Speaker 5 (01:36:52):
And to keep myself balanced.

Speaker 1 (01:36:53):
And I think we all, we.

Speaker 5 (01:36:54):
All need to do that.

Speaker 4 (01:36:56):
Yeah, you're absolutely right. Yeah, I mean my wife, we
walked the news and should you tell me all this
has happened or there's not even I'm not even to
about world news and just talk about normal events, and
I'll say, turn it off, turn it off, relax, yes,
you know, don't let these things get you. You know,
you really have to just keep on moving forward.

Speaker 5 (01:37:15):
Exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:37:15):
Have you be aware of this kind of stuff, but
you know, kind of have the horse blinkers on and
don't let it bring you down.

Speaker 1 (01:37:21):
That's exactly right, and that's what I had to do.

Speaker 5 (01:37:23):
I had to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:37:25):
You know. I would listen to the National Public Radio
or Public Radio International and watch a little bit of
the news on the television almost every day. But I
tell you, last year I stopped watching the news on
the television and I might listen to the radio once
or twice a week, and that's it.

Speaker 5 (01:37:44):
As I just it's too much.

Speaker 1 (01:37:46):
It's just too much negativity.

Speaker 4 (01:37:48):
Yeah, I agree. I mean I don't. I don't really
watch TV anymore. I do keep it, I do keep
up with current events and stuff. But yeah, we got
rid of because in the UK we have it's called
a TV license, so you've got to pay a certain
amounts to hold this license. Right, it's not worth anything,
to be honest. Here, we stopped ours about fifteen sixteen
years ago. The news is biased, especially the UK news

(01:38:09):
biased over here and it too. Yeah yeah, really bad
over there.

Speaker 1 (01:38:15):
That's an understatement, right, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:38:17):
I mean I'm not particularly inclined one way or another,
but it is. It is a really big problem over there.
But this is from an outsider. Yeah, Beth, I really
appreciate you coming on today and sharing all that for
our listeners.

Speaker 1 (01:38:29):
Thank you so much, Sick, thank you for having me on.
It's been a great gift and it's just been wonderful.
Thank you so much, and I wish you. I wish
you the best and that your podcast continues and continues
to help people for many years.

Speaker 2 (01:38:42):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:38:43):
That's great and it's lovely talking to you. Okay, and
take care and I'll talk to you soon.

Speaker 1 (01:38:48):
I was lovely talking to you as well.

Speaker 5 (01:38:49):
Thank you, Nick.

Speaker 4 (01:38:50):
Bye bye, okay bye for now. That is all for
this episode. Keep updated and connected with the show on Twitter, Facebook,
and Instagram. And if you have an encounter that you'd
like to share on the podcast, you can email me
at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com, or you can
reach out to me via the contact page on my
website UFO Chronicles podcast dot com. A big thank you

(01:39:12):
to Beth for sharing tonight, and thank you all for listening.
I will be back next week. Till then, stay safe
and keep watching us guys. Goodbye, n

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