Ep.193 A Moonlit Night In '75 (Throwback)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You'll do away five seventeen. Do you want to report
a UFO hanging in? We don't want to report every
thirty one. Do you wish to report a.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
UFO over hey, we want to one of.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Those areas thirty one?

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Do you wish to find a report of any kind
of it?

Speaker 1 (00:18):
I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds, time areas
thirty one me neither there were self.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
If it was anybody uh above us to pass us,
Like thirty seconds ago, we.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Were sending one top of golf negative, okay, OFFI the UFO.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah it's murder ten nine o'clock.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Yes, I'll just passed over. God.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
I don't know what it was, but it's from at
least to three thousand feet above us.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
See, I passed right over the top of us.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Ninety one one.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
You just called both to be before.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
They're after staying the airplanes.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
He is.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
I swear to God more calm on an unidentified object
every liberty four call or calm on an unidentified flying object.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share
their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had
an encounter, I would like to be on the show.
You can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com.

(01:48):
Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. Wherever in the
world you are listening from, How are you all? I'm
Nick Hunter and this is the UFO Chronicles podcast. Our
guest tonight, Steve comes to us from Louisiana in the States.
While Steve was serving in the military back in nineteen
seventy five, he and some of us witnessed a creature

(02:12):
not twenty five foot from them on a farm in Arkansas,
and there was no mistaken what it was. Steve up next.
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on with the show. Hello Steve, and welcome to the show.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
How you doing and how you doing? I'm glad to
be here, and I appreciate you having me.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
It's great to have you on today, Steve. And you're
calling from Louisiana today, Yes.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Sir, I'm here in Louisiana, South Louisiana, where it's hot
and it's splens of morn.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Now, Steve, you have a big footing counter to share
with us. Would you like to start at the very beginning, please, sir,
this right here, and.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
I just want to give you real fast insight, real quick.
I don't want to take time up and no means,
but I just want to kind of give you some
insight about myself real quick. If that's okay, I can said.
I'm sixty five years old, I'm tired. I'm retired from
law enforcement. When I came out to the military, I
went to law enforcement. Started my career that about three
years ago. And I live out in the farm out
here in middle of nowhere and lousy and at the swamps.

(03:50):
Love it. It's literally five and a half miles out
my back door to the next house out of the woods.
I mean, I live way out here and it's just nice.
I love it that way. But anyway, I originally I'm
from southern California. I grew about there and Uncle Sam.
Of course, when I went to the military when the
eighteen took me all over the world, and so I

(04:11):
ended up processing out of Fort Polklu's In. I stayed
over here back in the eighties that my wife we
got married and stayed back here and we've been back
here ever since. So but uh, you know, it's amazing.
Like I said earlier, life, and I've been asked this before,
is what is the meaning of life? And I said, well,
there's probably you asked ten people get ten different answers.

(04:31):
But I'll tell you what my personal belief the meaning
of life is. Is there nothing more than an accumulation
of memories and experiences. And that's what it is. Because
we look back on what life is, it's memories and experiences.
Everything you experienced and what your memories are. You created,
and I believe it's time to share them. I helped
with my experience in my encounter introver forty seven years

(04:54):
and I just didn't I didn't want people to go
ahead and laugh or this and that, or say, oh,
you're crazy or something like that. I just kept inside
me and even as a lout law enforcement officer taking
reports from people who who had had sightings of creatures
and such. You know, I always told them, I believe
what you're saying. I do believe. I didn't tell them
why because I wasn't ready to tell my encounter. But

(05:17):
I always encouraged them. And now that I've come out
my shell, and I was asked by another podcast to
go ahead and telling on their sasquatch theory on YouTube.
And you know the thing about it was, I came
out and it felt so good to go and get
it off my chest. After all the years I kept it,

(05:38):
decide because I wouldn't even tell my wife, my kids,
you know. So that's because this rattled me. And when
I say it rattled me, it shook me to the core.
It changed everything inside me because but prior to this
night in nineteen seventy five, when this happened, I didn't
believe in these creatures. I thought they didn't exist. And
if someone said they existed, I laughed at them. I
really did. I was one of the people in the

(05:59):
background and going ahead and saying, yeah, right, you're on drugs.
But that came to a critical end June night in
nineteen seventy five when I came to face to face
with this thing, and it just went ahead and let
me know, real quick fast, in a hurry, there's things
in that's world we don't understand. I from that point there,
my life changed and I was able now short in

(06:20):
a short period of time I came forward with this,
was able to have other people come forward. And so
my goal, now my friend is retired law enforcement and
x military, is to go ahead and encourage other people,
other law enforcement officers, other people who are an ex
military whatever, or anybody who keeping this aside of them
to come forward and encouraging them to share their encounters

(06:43):
because it eats them up inside keeping it. I know
that forty seven years to get net on, I know
it eats you up inside. And so that's one I
encourage a lot of people to come forward and share
their encounters because people are becoming more and more aware
of what's going on now. And so I just want
to throw that in the mixed and meanti Yep, hit.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
The nail on the head there, Steve. There are so
many people out there which have kept their encounters, you know,
whether it's do with UFOs or bigfoots and Sasquatches. They've
kept onto these accounts for decades, literally decades. I had
a lady on not so long ago from Scotland and
now she's in the seventies now, and she kept on
to her encounter for nearly fifty years, you know. And

(07:27):
the best thing she ever did, she said, was finally
telling someone. And by you telling your account today, Steve,
you know there's going to be more people out there
to go. Well, if Steve can do it, then I can.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
Do it right. And that's what I might encouragement because
I know and I just want to tell you this
real quick. You know. What brought me to talk about
this in the first place and bring it out was
my wife's uncle. He became really good friends and we
were hunting buddies. We went ahead and hunted every we're
all through these woods out here, and really enjoyed hunting
with him. He's passed away now, but about it was,

(08:00):
we had a good time. And so one day I
told him, I said, Uncle Louis was over the house
and I said, look, I'd like to go ahead and
hunt over there. And then a Coca swamp. I've never
hung there before. It's about five miles from here, six
miles across the road, and I said, I'd like to
go over there and hunt there. The terrain is really
rough over there. It's really rough terrain. And well he

(08:21):
looked at me. He said no. She said, son, you
go there by yourself. You're going to go there, but
I'm not going. And I assumed it because it was
rough terrain. He was seventy five years old so at
the time. And I said, okay, Uncle Louis, I just
wanted to see if you wanted to go. He said,
I have my reasons. And I said, I beg you
couldn't make it through the mills over there in that
rough area. He said, no, it ain't it. That ain't it.

(08:43):
He said, I seen something over there back in the fifties.
And he said, I just I never go. I'll never
go back there again. And I haven't been back there since.
And so it got my curiosity up, and I don't
want to pry, so I didn't. Uncle Lewis, I said,
you don't tell me what you saw. I mean, I
don't want to get in your business. But you gotten curious.

(09:05):
He said, you wouldn't believe me if I told you. Son,
He said so, and I've never told your wife, which
was his niece, and I've never told my brothers or
anybody else. And I said, well, Uncle Lewis has said,
I promise you you can tell me. And he said,
why would you believe me, Uncle Lewis, I said, you
tell me your story and I'll tell you why I
believe you. And he went ahead and he told me

(09:27):
his encounter that him and old boy that I knew
the old feller too, name is Milton Hickenbottom real well,
knew his son's real well. We used to hunt together
years ago. So him and Milton back in the fifties,
they grew up together out here, and they were a
squirrel hunting out. They're in Ana Coca Creek and it's
a thick area right there, thick swamp, and they was

(09:49):
up there on the hilltop right when it broke daylight.
They waiting for the squirrels to come out, moving in
a trail of tree tops. And it looked across from
the creek and a white sandbar, and they saw something
standing there, something huge, tall, And he said, as the
sun come up, it stood there and was looking at it.
He didn't move, like a statue. And as the sun

(10:09):
come up and they could see more of it. It
was about one hundred and fifty foot from him, and
he said that he noticed it was maybe ten or
eleven foot tall. He said it was a monster. He
said it had long, stringy hair all of his body.
He said there was no hair on his face that
he could tell from that distance. And it reached up
and it grabbed a hold of a limb coming off
of a bluff and he was standing on this white sandbar.

(10:33):
It readed back and it roared. He said it echoed
the woods. It said. It scared him so much. He
said his hair on his head stood up so hard.
He had on was popped off as he had and
I canout imagine that. And he said, they just froze
and it turned around. It stepped up on the bluff
and then crawled up in the swamp and it was gone. Well,
scared the fire lamb. So they sat there for about

(10:54):
fifteen minutes because they didn't want to run into it again.
And then he went to investigate a little bit and look,
and the uncle Lewis said, he got over there. He
said where the footprints was in that white sand. He
said it was probably about twenty inches long. He said
it was just unbelievable, but it was the shape of
a man's foot. And he said that limbit grabbed a
hold of off off that bluff was about twelve foot

(11:17):
and there, which would be consistent with something about ten
foot tall. Then it stepped up on the bluff, which
is about five foot there, so that was consistent with
something down foot tall. So he said he just scared
us so bad they never went back there again. And
I believed every work he said. And I told him, my, so,
Uncle lewis the reason why I believe you. He is

(11:40):
gonna trust you. Number one, the number two. I told
him mine counter for what I seen back in seventy
five in Arkansas. And he just about almost broke down
and cried. But I told him, he said, so I'm
not crazy. I said, no, sir, I promise you not crazy.
I seen something similar. And I said, these things are real.

(12:01):
They're around you're seeing You've seen one, I've seen one.
I know other folks have seen one. And I said, man, look,
I said, these things are real. I don't know what
they are, but they're real. And so he opened up
to that to me on that and from that point
there That's when I started coming forward with mine a
little bit. And I told my wife and my kids,

(12:23):
and they couldn't believe it. I said, what what I said? Yeah,
it was back in the seventies, And I said, but
you know, I kept it aside me all the time anyway.
But that opened me up to start going ahead and
coming forward with this. But it just rattled me. This
encounter rattled me because it just changed my life. When

(12:43):
you come face to face reality, what do you do?
What do you do? When you come face to face reality?
You're looking at it and it's just so it gives
me chills. He've been thinking about it right now now
it's forty seven years ago.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Cause you the old goosebump.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yes, it does, because I know in law enforcement when
we talked to people who have had traumatic experiences, it
doesn't matter how long ago it's been. Trying experience, it
embeds itself in your mind. You never forget it. You'll
remember you remember the details ten years later, twenty years later,
one hundred years later. If you live that long, you

(13:21):
remember the details just I mean, it just burns it
in your brain. That's is it in your brain? And
this was a traumatic experience for me because I was
not let on to what happened. And I was in
the military back then in seventy five in the seventies,
and I was stationed at Fort Pope here in Louisiana,
and I was attached to first first sixty first Infantry

(13:44):
Battalion out of Fort Pope. I had a girlfriend that
I met through a partner of mine who I was
stationed with, and she lived outside of Camden, Arkansas, which
is a small town. Back then, it was a small town.
I haven't been back there since, but this is back
in seventy five, and they lived on a small on
a farm I called a small farm, about two hundred

(14:05):
and fifty acres, about ten miles outside of Camden. It's
about a four hour drive for me from the post.
So on weekends we was off, I'd hop on drive
up there, make a four hour drive up and stay
with her and her family on the farm. And got
to know her daddy real well. And I helped him,
you know, on the farm, worked the cattle hogs the
go ahead, and fixed a pair of fans and build

(14:27):
fans and such, and I really enjoyed that. But any case,
this one particular Friday night, and I forgot this. We
got up there. I get there about eight thirty, and
her granny would cook. Her granny was an amazing cook,
old country gal. She was a bobby close about seventy
years old back then, could cook. I'm talking about my

(14:50):
goodness son just naked socks fall off, he was so good.
And she was an old Pentecostal gal, had her hair
up in the bun, wore this long skirt thing and
all that, which was their belief. And hey, that's fine. Hey,
I don't knock anybody's belief. I respect everyone's believe. So
we were after supper, we were hunker down, and then

(15:12):
me and her and daddy, her mama, her and brothers
were washing TV and her granny was in the kitchen
washing dishes about nine thirty at night, and all of
a sudden, she screamed, and this is an old farmhouse,
you holler them. It's going to the walls like a megaphone,
she hollered. She screamed like Bloody Murder's son. I mean,

(15:35):
we all jumped up, ran down the hallway to go
ahead and see about her. I was the first one there,
and being a military I was, you know, at the boet.
I was an everyborne ranger. I was running son, I
was one hundred miles an hour, and I was the
first worn in the kitchen. I almost cut a flip
over her in the kitchen door because she was sitting
right there on the floor in the kitchen door, and

(15:56):
almost cut a flip over. And she was pointing over
at the there over with the sink, and all she
was doing is yelling, I seen it again. I seen
it again, well automatically to me. To me, I'm thinking
it was an intruder. She saw someone trying to break
in or her son, who was my girlfri My girlfriend's
daddy knew exactly what it was. Evidently it has been

(16:18):
around before, and I heard pretty much, you know, put
one one together when she said, I've seen it again,
but any case, he said, grab guns. He had guns
on the hallway, racks on gun racks down the hallway.
So we all armed up, ran out the back and
with the girls. My girlfriend and her mama stayed with
granny to help her attend to her because she was
pretty shook up. We went out the back. Her brothers

(16:41):
went to the right, Me and her daddy went to
the left. We paired up, and I remember how bright
it was outside. It was nine point thirty nine. The
moon was so bright that it just made it like
daylight outside. I'm sure you've seen that before. I mean,
it was like I can see plumb across the field
of the pastor. I see the cows all on the
other end of the pasture, all hunkered up. I can

(17:04):
see trees, I can see details everything. It's almost like daylight.
It was that bright, and so you had no problem
seeing where you're going and making things out. But I
noticed the cows was all across that pasture, all hungered
up together, and they was cutting up. Now that it's
a sign right there that you know something spooked them.
They're spooked. That's how they do when they get spooked

(17:25):
by something, maybe a predator around or whatever. They hung
her together and they start cutting up. That's her defence
making this Well, well, that really didn't catch me off
dark too much, because that could have been a predator
like a panther, a bobcat, or something out there. Didn't know.
But what did catch my attention when we come off
them stairs down, coming off that porch is his three

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hunting dogs. He had three bluetick hounds, full grown, and
these dogs were trained to go ahead and run deer
and squirrel speech we squirrels. And they were all three
under the porch, whining, scared to death. And that caught
my attention because I'm thinking, wait a minute, that's an intruder,
a fella looking in the wind trying to break in.

(18:09):
Them dogs been running him through the woods. You'd have
heard them cutting up five miles away, running him to
the woods. But they're under the porch and crying and scared.
So I looked at her daddy. I said, hey, what
the hell's up with this? He said, come on, come on.
He knew what it was, and he didn't let me.
He did not let me in on it. So I'm
in complete dark here. I don't know what going after.

(18:31):
Whatever we are as one bad son, I promise you,
because if it can scare three full, full grown pound
dogs that are trained for hunting and scare them, we're
going to after something bad, bad, bad son. So I
don't know what it is. Still he won't tell me. Well,
we approached this fin post corner post. Now, we just

(18:52):
built this fence. This fence was a dividing fence, in
a bit divided the fifty acres swamp. He had a
real thick I mean bad thick swamp. You couldn't see
five foot into this, so thick friers and everything. And
then a bunch of trash bushes we called them. And
then it divided the pasture and we made it at
a four foot cattle panel with a stretch of bobed waiters.

(19:12):
It's about five foot tall fence some of that corner
post right there. And we caught a stench and I'm
talking about something rotten son. It sounded like matted piss.
That's the best way I can describe it, old matted piss.
It like the gagis gagnus. So about that time was
we got about ten foot from that fence post and

(19:34):
all corner posts, and all of a sudden we jumped something. Uh.
And when I say we jumps something up, I'm used
to jumping up deer all the time. I mean, you
hear them rustles, the little weeds and trees and limbs
and such. This sounded like I couldn't see it because
it was in that thicket, you know, deeping up. We
couldn't see it, but it was right there, not far
and it was. It sounded like a two thousand pound

(19:54):
rhino son twisting and turning, just limbs cracking and breaking,
trees rattling and rolling, I mean, leave leaves crunching into it.
So it sounded like it was a ball inside. They're
going crazy. Then that's the point where my whole world
changed right there, and it gives me chills even going
this point. That'll been with me for a second. It

(20:18):
cleared the fence. I don't know what the hell of
this thing was. It cleared the fence like a track star,
and it landed in the pasture. And when it did,
it crouched down and then it stood up. And when
it stood up, we're right there. This thing wasn't twenty
five foot from us. I'm not talking about something one

(20:39):
hundred yards away. I'm not talking about something one hundred
foot away. I'm talking about twenty five foot in front
of us and the clear pasture. And it was flank
of us. It wasn't looking at it facing us. It
was flank of us. I don't know if it didn't
if we didn't want to look at us, No more
we want to look at it. But it was flank
of us. And when it stood up. It was about

(21:01):
eight foot tall, at least eight foot tall, covered in long,
stringy hair matt. It was madded brown blackish hair. It
was long. And when I've seen mad it's like if
you can tell it's been weren't rolling around in the
woods for a while, And it was flank of us,
So it's looking to the right away from us, and

(21:21):
we can tell its profile. Now I can tell off
the bat. It was no bear. I knew it wasn't
no bear. Number one, they ain't got bears that big
over there, darkansas. And number two, a bear's got You
can tell a bear because a bear's got somewhat of
a snout. This thing was flat faced like a man.
On the profile and in the way of his hands
were huge arms, muscular frod shoulders. That through that throws

(21:47):
the bear out the next too, because bears got slope souldiers.
I've seen many bears I've seen I've seen I've seen
sugar bears would call them here in Louisiana, I've seen
black bear. This was no bear. Bears got sloped shoulders
and they have a snout. Now bear can stand straight up,
it ain't sure it can, and it can walk straight

(22:07):
up to it can but it can't. It can't doesn't
have broad shoulders, it doesn't have big massive hands, doesn't
have a big muscular structure, and it dang sure can't
run like a man. And this thing once it when
it had stood up like it did it when it ran,
and it ran away from us across the field. Only
reason why I didn't unload my weapon. I can't speak

(22:29):
from my girlfriend's daddy. He was he was scared shitless.
Excuse my language, but I can. I can speak for myself.
I didn't. I would have fired in a heartbeat if
it aggressed us, but it didn't. It ran away from us,
so I did not fire. Helped my fire. He had
a flashlight in his hand. He was waving in his hand.
We didn't need a flashlight bright as it was, but

(22:50):
he was hand was so shaken because he was so nervous.
I had to grab a hold of his hand. We
washed it run across that pasture and then it busted
through the cattle gate. Now that might have seen too strange,
but that cattlegate we built, and that cattle gate was
made out of two by sixes. Two by six is oak,

(23:12):
and if you know anything about oak wood. Oak Wood
is a very hard, heavy wood. You just don't break
oak wood, especially two by sixes. It took a D
nine dozer or a tractor on full throttle with a
front end loader to go through that thing and busted
up like this thing did. It is echoed through the woods,
and then it went ahead and roared as it ran

(23:34):
away from us. That or went through the woods sun,
Oh my goodness, and its standard like it started out
like a panther if you ever heard a panther scream,
like a woman screaming real loud, and it it ended
like a basy broad elephant or a line or something rumble.
It just I ain't never in my life heard anything

(23:56):
like it before. When I've been in the woods all
over the world, and I've never heard of anything like.
I've heard of every kind of cuitter you can imagine.
I've heard panthers, I've heard bobcats, I've heard woodswood hours,
i heard everything you can imagine. I never can't relate
nothing I've ever heard of this. And I live out
here in the woods right here there eight to six
housands on this hill from right I said, down five
hundred five and a half miles on the back door

(24:18):
next town to the woods, and I hear critters all
the time. I hear, I'm and I've been here forty years.
I've never heard anything like that since since Well, I'm
gonna tell you I have heard it one more time
before on a recording, but I'll explained team the second.
It's fawer in real life. I never heard that again.

(24:38):
Made the hearing back my next stand up, Like I said,
you've got to forget my nervousness here because, uh, I say,
it has taken me back forty seven years. And what
made it worse for me, I was expecting to see
it intruder a person. I had no idea what we're
going to see this. My mind is trying to rationalize
what I've seen hand. So I was in the shot

(25:03):
well about after it roared and it went off, and
it ran off down through the woods. We didn't pursue
it any farther. That night, her two brothers come running
around from the other side of the house. They was,
you knowing, Hey, did you hear that? Did you hear that?
And I said, here, we've seen the damn thing. Yeah,
seen it? I said, yeah, we did. Her daddy was
still shut up. Had to sit him down the step,

(25:24):
and so her oldest brother. Once we calmed down a
little bit. Her oldest brother, he's about six foot four,
and I got him in the standard of the kitchen winder. Now,
this house was in the woods, and it's not too
far from a river. Evidently that river would flood every
once in a while because they had their house on pilots,
and so in case it did flood. He got under

(25:47):
that winder kitchen winter and like I said, he's six
foot four, raised his arm up all the way, so
his fingertips coming up probably close to seven foot, and
he could barely touch the bottom. Remember that kitchen winder.
Put in consistent with something that had been eight foot
tower tower. Looking inside that kitchen winter, this thing we saw,

(26:08):
like I said, about eight foot tower tower, it had
to have been every bit of seven hundred pounds, every
bit of seven hundred pounds massive. I've never seen anything
that day before my life. So well, we went inside.
After that, Granny was calmed down herd daddy, and we
had to sit him down for a little while. Get
into my water and got with Granny, I said, Granny,

(26:31):
I said, look, I said, we went out there. I
don't know what this thing is. I've got the world
shock of my life seeing this thing. I don't know
what it is, I said, but you saw its face
looking in the winter. We didn't get to look at
his face because it was flank of us. We got
the profile. Look, we said, his body real well, we
didn't see his profile. I mean we see his face

(26:52):
really good. She was, I saw its face perfectly. It
looks in that window every once in a while. At me,
I said, so this isn't the first time. Oh it
is every once fall it'll look in the window. I
guess it's curious or something. It never tries to break
in the house and never tries to attack us, and
just curious, I think. I said, what's it looked like?

(27:13):
His face? She said, it looked like a huge man's face.
But she goes, it wasn't no man. I promise you
it was no man. That gave me chills. And I said,
well either, Well what other features did have on his face?
He had had hair around his face, He had a
big nose like a man mouth. The skin was kind

(27:36):
of rough looking, but the eyes were glowing red, and
I said, blowing red glowing red. Well, that really shook me.
Well after that, everyone tried to calm down. You know,
we tried to sleep that night. There wasn't much sleep
going on in that house. I promise you that next

(27:59):
morning we got up, Randy cooked his breakfast, and good god,
it wasn't front of breakfasts. I probably would never go
kept on meals out of kept probably never going back.
But I did them grocery. But anyway, after breakfast, we
went outside to kind of pull a recon kind of
look and see, uh, you know, well you're find tracks.

(28:23):
You can see more damage with this and that. We
started back a point where we saw him jump that
fence and out of that thicket. We figured you'd find
some hair or something on that bob wire. I said
that that that fancist made a four foot candle panel
with it such a bob wire over There was no
hair in that bob wire. Whats that it cleared that

(28:44):
we found the tracks. We followed them tracks, and them
them tracks right there, I can put almost, not quite,
but almost my feet in the end. In my feet's
about eleven inches long, and I go ahead and put
him in the end, and all most fit in one
of his tracks about eighteen nineteen inches long something like that.

(29:08):
As far as wide goes, he's about twice as white
as my foot big. Anyway, we went down to where
the cattle gate was. He broke that toward up them
two by sixes. We was splintered. They were just busted
up and splintered. Son. Now we found some air hair
in the bob wire there, long stringy hair. This is

(29:30):
back in the seventies. Now I understand, this is long
before the computers was out there. No one even knew
what the computer was. Back in the seventies, no cell phone.
Cell phones didn't come out to the late nineties. There
was no internet, and so back then there was no
We didn't see any reason to keep anything, at least

(29:51):
I didn't, you know. But today, yeah, we'd scrape up everything.
But because today you have dnhesting, you have comput you
got all this, Matt, we didn't have all that stuff
back the end of the seventh so it was just
cavemand type stuff. You know. We didn't worry about it.
Now they might kept some of the hair. Eye did

(30:12):
I wish I kind of would have now over a year,
Like I said, you never think about things your love past, hence.

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Speaker 1 (31:35):
Well, we follow the tracks. No, I want to say
this when it busters in the cattle gate. Now, about
twenty foot to the right of that cartlegate was the
corner post. And if you don't know anything about you
know nothing about fans. And when you build an old farm,
fans your corner posts to be the most stoutest post
of the corners of the fans system because it holds

(31:58):
attention erin rode attention to the corner posts. So your
four corner posts gotta be your your tensions, their biggest
posts of all. So back then they used to use
cut down telephone poles with a head and sink him
down about five foot six foot in the ground. That's
your corner post. And you come off of that bills defences.
When that thing went through that day to that cattle gate,

(32:18):
the force of that quitter going through there was so
powerful it didn't break it, but it polled that corner
post over and laid it down. Now, if you can
understand the force, the immense force it took to lay
down that corner post. That's a telephone pole. Cut down
telephone pole and sunk down six foot in the ground,

(32:41):
that's some forcen man. I'll tell you what. And I
got me thinking, if one of these things got a
hold of somebody. What could it do good? The sunny
terror person in half I'm talking about like it was
a rag doll. It just gave me to the shivers case.
After all that, my girlfriend's daddy we kind of sat

(33:05):
down and he said, he and Steve would like to
ask you not to talk about this. He said, we
don't want the word getting out. Came to a small town,
we got we got a name in this community. We
don't want to get out and go ahead, people laughing
at us, some folks cutting up about us and making
us a town joke. I said, don't worry about that, sir.
I said, you can count on me. I'll keep my
mouth shut. And I did. I did for all them years.

(33:27):
I wouldn't talk about it. I kept it inside me.
And you know, it's just not not just because I
promised him that, but because of the fact I'm thinking
in my mind, what would folks say about me coming
out with this. Hey, I just seen this critter the
other night. He was eight foot tall, covering hair, seven
hundred eight hundred pounds and he was massive monster right there. Man.

(33:50):
You know we see them all the time. You know, Hey, look,
I'm gonna tell you what I so, I didn't there
go ahead and talk about nobody, And I said the
first one I mentioned to my wife's uncle, uncle Lewis,
and he was the first one I told, just to
calm him down. And it worked. And from that point
there it got them more comfortable. Went a hit and
told my wife about it. She had a hard time
with it at first. My sons took they believed it

(34:13):
in the heartbeat, they said, man, you know. And then
from that point there, once I did do I come
forward and I really decided to go public with it,
and I did that when podcast I told the old
boy that had the podcast, I told myself, I feel
so much better coming through this thing. I'm just telling

(34:33):
it like it is, uh. And I'm just telling it
like it is what I seen and what was uh?
And she just that's it verbatim right there. You know,
when folks asked me, hey, what did his face look like?
I don't know. I can't tell you what his face
looked like. The only interest of what's face, I can
tell you it was all Granny told me she saw
when it looked in the window at her. I didn't

(34:54):
see its face. And I'm the kind of person if I,
if I don't know for sure, I'm not going to
say it. I will not say so. I've heard people
talk before, well this, this, this, and then I'll change
the story next time, and the next time they change
it again. Uh huh. If if I didn't see it,
I'm not going to say I saw it, and I
didn't see his face. I saw his body, and I

(35:15):
can tell you what his body looked like, and I
can tell you that forever. But I can't tell you
what I didn't say. Oh, I can tell you what
what Granny told me she said she saw. Now I
won't tell you this. Uh. I had a hard time
with the red Eyes things she said because I'm not
not doubting her, but I never doubted her. No, I
never doubted her. But I never heard of red eyes

(35:37):
before and something that's vampire type stuff. To me, anything's
possible in this world. I found that out that night.
But red Eyes, well here, about four or five years ago,
I was watching me and my wife was watching the
Discovery Channel and he was watching h Deep Sea Explorations
show and they had a sub going out there in

(36:01):
the ocean diving deep. I mean, it's one of experimental subs.
They go down there about ten twelve thousand feet looking
at sea life and just trying to figure out this
and that and everything else. Well, it showed the school
of fish, these weird looking fish, and of course down
there twelve thousand feet it's dark as you can't see
you in front of your face dark, you know, it's

(36:22):
black dark down Well, these creatures, these fish evidently had
developed a way of singing the dark. And he said,
it's basically like an X ray or a night vision,
night vision type of thing, I are, there are means
of that where they can see in the darkness, find food, shelter,

(36:46):
what have you. And what it was. And it showed
these entities and you can see these fish red beans
coming out their eyes, I mean red beans coming out
their eyes flashlights to that dark water. And when the
sub got to the front of them and showed their eyes,
their eyes were glowing red. And it just hit me.

(37:11):
That's what Grannie scene and the guy the fella that
was narrating, he said, these fishes developed this sense of
ir you know, in the darkness, to go ahead and
find things and such. And it's the survival mode or
survival means, he said, and if deep sea creatures can

(37:31):
develop this kind of technology or ability to have night
vision like this red eye night vision says what says
that land based creatures can't mad all the sense in
the world to me right there and explained right then
to me what Granny saw. I believe these creatures have.

(37:51):
I are they have a night vision ability. Them red
eyes are nothing more than this. But them fish had
able to see in the darkness, and I believe that
explains a lot. I've studied a lot about these creatures
since then on my own and kind of just putting
pieces of the puzzle together. And I am swearing this

(38:15):
by gospel. I'm the same what I've come up with. Okay.
As a law enforcement officer, we are trained to go
ahead and you know, look at pacifics, look at things,
build build your case to will build your case what
you do, look at incidents, look at look at proof,
look at evidence, and go ahead and combine it together
and put things together like a puzzle. What you're doing.

(38:37):
Once the puzzle is complete, now you have your case
built and you know what you're looking at. You have
a concrete form. That's we did law enforcement. When we're
going ahead and doing investigations. So I did the same
format with this. When people what they're seeing, what they
were experiencing on these creatures, Why they move so fast?
How come people can't find them? Why are they so?

(39:00):
Here's what I come up with. My complexity of this
together is what I come up with. These creatures evidently
are not just pure animal. I believe that they have
a human sense to them, a human, a piece of
human to them. They have to because of the fact
they know where to go, where not to go. Sometimes

(39:24):
they're gonna have to make a run whatever they gotta do,
like the one in front of us. But a lot
of times they get out of it. Here's who I
want I want to throw at you on this. The
main part they freeze frame. Animals have the ability to
freeze frame. What I mean by that is, I don't
know if you dear deer hunter or squirrel hundred before,
but I'm an avid deer hunter. I've been squore hunting,

(39:46):
deer hunt. I'm alive. A deer will stand it. We
can stand what makes a deer hard to see? We look,
we look out in the woods. We sense movements. Okay,
we sense movement, and we might look at a woodland
and you see trees out there. If nothing moves, you
can't see it. But if it moves and it breaks

(40:09):
that form, bam, now you got it. Pigged military teaches
you camouflage, true camouflage. People say, well, it's wearing a
real tree and going ahead and having limbs to god
your head, and that's what camouflage is. Real camouflage is
nothing more on a military's version of that. And breaking
up your form and blending into your surroundings. That's what

(40:31):
it is. Nothing but being like an animal. That's all
it is. That's what animals do. They break their form,
blend into the surroundings, and that's what these creatures do. Okay,
So it's so hard to see. People say, well, I've
never seen one. I bet you have. I bet you
have seen one, but you just saidn't know it. You
didn't know it because it didn't move. It's in the
woodline watching you. They see us before we see them.

(40:51):
I promise you that. So when you take an animal
like this that is part human, part animal, and look
at the complexity of this, Okay, human intel to recognize
trail cams, recognize these little cameras and every here and
there and everywhere else, so they can no where on them.

(41:12):
They can reason like a human. If you can read,
an animal can reason, That gives it a huge judge.
Now take a bobcat, panther, uh, you take a squirrel,
Take you take a rabbit, whatever, a deer, and you
can bind the cunning, the speed, the ability, and the
camel ability of these of these animals with human intel,

(41:35):
you come out with the perfect creature. Perfect creature. Perfect.
You can imagine having human intel, human reasoning to be
able to go run forty five miles an hour like
a bobcat or a deer or a panther, be able
to freeze, frame in place, it stands still where no
one can see you hunk or down and I mean whatever.

(41:59):
I know when I've been deer hunting before, and I
remember watching the show. These two deer hunters were world
fast gear hunters going through the woods trying to prove
how easy it is to find deer. The computer showed
where the deer were. These guys walked right by and
didn't even know they're there. Deer sat there, just hunt
her down in the bush. Them guys didn't even see

(42:20):
it because they freeze, They froze frame. They frozen place.
Animals do that. It's how they survived. I remember squirrel hunting,
and this is my own experiences. I mean, I'm telling
you what I personally seen squirrel hunting. And I'm going
well out with a few other fellers and we're squirrel
hunting together. These guys are his squirrel experienced the squirrel huntings.

(42:41):
Nine am. We're all standing on his pine tree, looking
up about forty five fifty foot in the air, seeing
a stump up there as a bump A lot of
times as the squirrel a lot of times to pine.
N don't know. Okay, watch it for a while, look
for a movement, don't see it. You move on if
you want to pretty good size pine. So, you know, bump.

(43:01):
So they went on and I stood there. They waved
me on. I said, I just gave him the hand. No,
I'm not coming. I'm gonna wait. This thing. I think
it's a squirrel. I think it is. I don't know,
it might be wrong. I'm watching it. About ten minutes later.
I've seen that tail flash, son, I've seen that tail
flash boom. Lean down. The biggest black squirrel I've ever

(43:22):
killed in my life. So when I showed them fellers,
well it wouldn't move. Whoa they freeze from that's a
survival mechanism. Next time you see a squirrel, look at
that thing. When it stops, it'll freeze. It'll freeze in place,
it won't move, and if it's up that tree high enough,
you won't know what it is, and you'll think it's
just a bump or something, or up pine not you'll
go on. That's a survival mode. That same thing with

(43:44):
the deer. These creatures, same way they freeze, they stand still.
They'll see you before you see them. And that's the
whole ticket. So I put one on women together and
I just these things. That's why no one can see
these guys, you know, when they want to be seen.

(44:05):
That's what it is. Evidently I think they're older. They
give off kind of a giveaway. Now, I don't know
if if all of them have that or not. I
don't know. I believe they're like humans. Humans are not
one alike. Everyone's different. So this one might be like this,
one may not be like this. You know, you look
at that way. So if you have someone some kind
of these creatures have some kind of means of intel

(44:27):
human intel. Evidently they're going to have means of other
means of human as well. We got to give them that.
So this is my only encounter I have ever seen
these creatures. I've never seen it another one again after that.
I'd be honest with you, I was kind of worried
to see one again. Didn't want to see one again.

(44:48):
I live here in the woods. I've never seen one
out here. I've hundred off of these woods and louis
In I've never seen one out here. And you know,
I know people have. My wife's uncle who lived a
few miles from me, you know, before passways, he seen one.
Thinking bottom, I know my other brother in law he's
seen one years ago not far from here. And I
lived not too far from what's called Sabine River and

(45:10):
the Sabine River area dividing river from Louisiana and Texas.
That right there have been bookoo sightings. As a matter
of fact, there's a town called Zwally, Louisiana, which is
about forty five miles from here, that the mayor of
the town called the bfr O and said, we are

(45:31):
having all kind of creatures sightings over here and need
you to come out investigate and they did. Finding Bigfoot
came out there and did a show in ziwally here
not too long ago. And all the people sightings they have,
they're the people coming forward saying, man, these things are
out here. Louisiana the hotspot for these things and has
been for a long time now. When I was stationed

(45:53):
at Fort Polk back in seventy six is right after
this event happened in seventy five and seven. Later part
of seventy six, I PCs and transferred over to Europe.
But before I went, I had I had an event happened.
Maybe I shouldn't even go into this because this doesn't
deal with any kind of big foot creature, and maybe

(46:15):
it's something that I need to talk about some other times.
I'm not sure you want to keep it on the
first subject or whatever. But it's just another experience that
I had in seventy six, but it was dealing with
something else. I don't know if you want to go
want me to go that route or not.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Only if you come to doing that, Steve.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
Well, I mean, I just don't want to go ahead
and do a two part situation here you don't.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Want me to do, but well, you know, we have
a lot of guests on here and they have various
different signs. So you're more than welcome, Steve.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
Okay, I appreciate it. In seventy six, I was put
sent TDY TV the military spull of apronyms td Y
PCs et s all that kind of stuff of a
pcs't a permanent change the station TV wise, its temporary
change and duty status. So I h was said TDY,

(47:06):
me and five other fellers TDY to Fort Bliss text.
Fort Bliss, Texas is right there on the west end
of Texas over there kind of bordering New Mexico, and
uh so we got sent there. We went to the
motor pool. We're given five vehicles five five tons they

(47:29):
were stealed loads, and we were given a what call
we'll called the skeleton coordinates. Skeleton cordin is basically what
that is is going ahead and instructing you in the
ballpark area where you're going to not pinpoint. I don't
want you no pinpoint because you're following a chase me cheese.
Vehicle we followed was a military Sedan. Military Sadan had
two civilians and they weren't military person like we were

(47:51):
they were civilians. They were called them suits at their FBI,
CI d CIA have no idea high clarence is higher
than ours. Orders to follow them, and we did. We
got ended up in a location It was approximately as
the bird flies, approximately twenty eight miles south of those

(48:13):
of Springs, Colorado, which would have brought us out to
the northern part of New Mexico. Out in the middle
of desert. We were out in middle of nowhere I'm
talking about. It was nothing but desert and mass and mountains.
It's all we's seen. I didn't see a town anywhere
with any view. Now with a maser mountain might have
been a town, I don't know, But anywhere else it

(48:34):
was anhing but day a desert. That was it. We
come to a guard shack, middle of desert. How strange
is that? No other buildings around there, no facilities, just
a guard shack. About twenty foot to the left of
that guard shack is a six foot white stop. Dark
comes out of that guard shack. Was his lieutenants. Now

(48:57):
that struck me very odd because using any guard is
using n C O or below buck sergeant A below
or for BFC private. What happened? They have with a tenant,
which is an officer manning a post. And very unusual,
very unusual. Anyway, you come out of that guard shack,

(49:18):
come over that white stop, and he started guiding the
trucks and bumper to the white stop. Next truck, bumper
to the bumper, the next truck, bumper to bumper, bumper
the bumper. We were all out of the vehicles and
there were sealed loads were out of the vehicles other
side of the guard shack. Face away from the vehicles

(49:38):
and stand at parade rest until we're otherwise about face. Wow,
you're standing out there in that no Mexican heat. Were
talking about the heat. You're you're in starts fatigues and
combat fatigues, and you're sweating bullets and you're standing at
parade rest and you can't For an hour and a
half you were in there, you're you're miserable to talk about. Well,

(50:05):
after about an hour or that, I got, uh, get
the best meat, and I kind of looked behind me
a little bit to see that peak. That's all it was,
was the peak. I couldn't take a chance to get caught.
And I looked back there and I turned back around again.
But when I looked back there. What I seen The
trucks were gone and everything. They were lowered down. That's

(50:29):
why they were bumper to bumper, lower down in two
kind of elevator system down below. And inside there I seen,
just for the glimpse, I seen like a maintenance facility,
maybe some fifty five gallon drums stuff like that. That's
all I caught. The glimpse I seen. That was it.
But it was some kind of maintenance facility down there,
some kind of underground part which really struck me odd

(50:52):
any case, after the lieutenant came back and we had
and he calls about face, called us to about face
when they had for back vehicles again, vehicles from back
top side again they were facing the Opos direction and
all empty were ordered to follow the case people back
to Fort Bliss in which we did. Once you got
back to Fort Bliss, took the vehicles want to pool
in ahead and fueled them up, topped them off, got

(51:13):
them all get rigged up, and we were ordered into
a the briefing room. Got in the briefing room and
we were fled out, just told straight forward what happened
today did not happen. Just to not leave this room.
He had to sign paperwork on one yards after that,

(51:34):
and then happened. I had a good friend of mine
that worked in army intel so here at Fort Powe,
and so I told him about it. I kind of
just run up to him, and he said, that's very
very curious. I'm gonna do some homework on this. So
he did. Fast forward nineteen ninety three and living out

(51:57):
here right now, I'm up front Port Trumps right now,
I'm a rocking cheer and I'm sitting right now. Nineteen
ninety three. He come to see me. He retired, going
back to Colorado. He said, you remember years ago t
T Y Mission. You was sent on work lists and

(52:18):
all this, and yeah, he said, you remember talking about
the coordinates and everything. I said, yeah. I did some
homework and I found out I think I know what
you saw. I said, well, I Rege Reagan, it's all
it was in the kind of maintenance facility. He said,
that wasn't just a maintenance facility. I was part of
a Huger facility, a bigger facility. And I said really,

(52:42):
He said yeah. He said, there's an underground installations all
over this country, all over the world. And he said
what you've seen was the part of a facility that's
known as Dulcie Base. And I said, Dulcie Base, this
is I didn't know what that was back then, and
he said, uh yeah. He said, you ain't heard about it,

(53:07):
and then you won't heard about it for a while,
but he said, in the future you will hear more
about it. He said, Uh, computers had just come out.
Internet hadn't formed yet. Ninety three was not much of anything,
and uh, I don't think the Internet really start kicking
off to early two thousands and such. But uh yeah,

(53:28):
later on, sure enough, a few years ago I found out.
I said, isn't that something? And that was right into
the area where we was at. Now we ain't see,
you know what they claim that it's down there. Of
course we only saw. I always follow one part of it,
the maintenance facility. That was it. I'm like, he said,
it tied into the bigger facility. But any case, that

(53:51):
that was something. Like I said, life is don't more
than the memories and experiences, And that's what I'm sharing
right now. He is with you his memories and experiences.
And I'd like to end with this if I may.
When I was stationed in Germany. I was over and

(54:11):
outside of Frankfurt, and we had concerns over there, we
called concerns. We didn't have military installations over there. Of
course you couldn't. You couldn't have German government time wouldn't
allow the American military to go ahead and build a
Fort Bragg, Fort Benning, Fort Jordan or over there. So
we used concerns old French barracks world War two, and
they had your four quads, your alpabrabla shuid delta and anyway.

(54:35):
So I making rounds, we pulled for guard duty every
once in a while and uned police guard duty, and
we go ahead and have predated different areas of the concern.
And as coompanying the colonel and the captain making rounds,
they took me down through a door doorway, and then

(54:55):
down ourn doorway and kept going down to the different levels,
probably about two levels underneath the concern. Blew me away.
He said, as far as we can go. And I said,
I said, Colonel, I said, I had no idea. He said, oh,
you have no idea, son, He said, this goes down
five more levels under here. I said what he said, yes, sir,

(55:17):
he said every concern in Germany has level seven eight
levels under it. During World War Two, Hitler had bored
out all kind of underground channels and tunnels. It's what
he did, and connecting each other, all these concerns together,
underground motor pools, and how he transported weapons and this
and that, a lot of artillery and different different items

(55:39):
without being seen on top side. He would transfer around
highways in Germany, and he had a habit of everywhere
he'd go, he would build the underground channels, underground levels
and do that. And this is back now, this is
back in the seventies, in seventies, six, seventy seven. And
he told me, he said, now, he said, Hitler did

(56:02):
the same thing in Antarctica. This was long before anyone
even knew about an artic could be any kind of
ties to UFOs or anything else. Like I said, this
is back in the seventies. And he said Hitler was
over there. He had built underground levels under there too.
And he said in Antarctica he was on to some

(56:23):
big things, very big things. He said, it ain't no mistake,
and it ain't no she has a mistake or guess work.
While we brought all his top scientists over here after
World War Two to continue on their experiments. He said,
there's reasons for that. Over the years, he said, you'll
be hearing more about Anarica. To me, at the time,

(56:45):
antarctica was an ice cube. I didn't know. I never
thought about it. You know. Later on last several years,
what are we hearing about now all of a sudden, Antarctica.
Hey gives me chills too, because looking thinking back on
these things that I thought, Man, you know here, you

(57:06):
know here it is reality in our face again. And
I kind of kicked myself from not looking into it
back then. But I wouldn't of course, is before computers.
I wouldn't know where to go, where to look for
and with anything else. Uh, I'm sixty five years old.
I still can't work a computer. I don't have a
computer at my house. But anyway, that's how old folks

(57:30):
are reckoned, you know, we we just you know, how
to work on coffee pot and barely work a cell phone.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
The coffee is important, Steve.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
Yeah, you got to have that. And I'm gonna tell
you this. I didn't mean to go ahead and talk
to your head off. Sorry to talk so much, Steve.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
I welcome that, you know, because a lot of time
there's these little accounts and sightings and experiences we would
never hear, you know, because some you know, sometimes people
just contact me about one particular thing and then you know,
then they're like, oh, would you mind if I just
mentioned this, you know, and if all this this is
other stuff. So no, it's good, Steve, and I appreciate it. Yeah,
I mean, just does sound like the Dulcey base, the underground,

(58:07):
deep underground military base. Ad dumb.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
Yeah, it was. It was, you know, And I say,
you know, now I told you before, if I didn't
see it, I'm not going to say I saw it.
I told my partner, I said, all I've seen was
a maintenance facility. I didn't see anything else the glimpse
I took, you know, I didn't see the evenings running
around that kind of stuff. Of course, I only got
a glimpse, I said. But he explained to me, he said,

(58:31):
those bases, every base has got its own sectors. It
got maintenance sectors, science sectors. It's got this sector of
that sector, security sector. He said. So you just saw
a little big piece of the sector of it, but
it all attached together. And these bases are used. They
go on for miles. You know, found out where we were,
He did the cornings on it. Where we were when

(58:52):
we at White Stop was when them trucks went down.
That thing actually ended up being three and a half miles,
he said, from Dulcie to Mexico. So yes, that would
be consistent with more likely seeing part of that base
right there.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Yeah, I said, it's supposed to exactly exactly be on
the Colorado and New Mexican border, and that's where it's
supposed to be, all right, And that would you say
that was nineteen seventy six, That.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
Was back in seventy six, Yes, sir, back in nineteen
seventy six, and back you know, back then. That's right
before I went to Europe. I got PCs to Europe.
And man, I think back on the things that I've seen.
I mean, I've seen things in the sky. You know,
I'm not going to say there was a UFO. I
mean it could have been. You know, I've been I

(59:33):
know when I was living in California and I was
about eight years old, nine years old, remember it very well.
My mama me came back from town and we parked
in front of the house. It was right there at
dusk before it's not quite dark, not quite daylight gone
yet everyone was on the city, on the block, was
out there in front of their homes looking up in
the sky. And we looked a parked there and looked

(59:53):
up over our house. About three hundred four hundred yards up,
not far at all was a long cylinder, a bluish
light blue, long cylindrical object, this float in the air
up there, and everyone's watching. It wasn't just me and
her seeing it. All the neighbors were all looking at it.
And I hung there for about fifteen twenty minutes and

(01:00:14):
then it and it zoomed off like it was a
million miles an hour, and it was gone. So now
you know, my mother was a big believer, big believer
in alien life forms, way big because she was playing
to be abducted several times. And so was her mother,

(01:00:36):
my grandmother. And I remember that very well when she
would stay over the house when I was a kid,
and she did stay in the next room for me
in the middle of night, she's screaming, starts screaming, they're
coming to getting again, They're coming to get me again.
And you know, my mother, and they would running inside there.
I was too scared of going inside there, you know,
but they they went, you know, see about her, and uh,

(01:01:00):
you know. And I mean she always every time she
could took she'd come into my room next day and
tell me. She says, they got me last night. It
took me last night. So I'm a firm believer. There's
you know, that's what she saw. We saw it. Do
so object go over the house. She was thinking in
her mind they're coming again to get her, you know.
And I don't understand. I'm not a scientist. I understand

(01:01:23):
out of space. I don't understand all. And then we
look at here in this world. We look up in
the blue sky and clouds. We say, oh, here, this
is our little box we live in. Outside this box,
my goodness, you know what's out there? Things and trains
and quiet zinians of light years out there across the
universes or multi verses, whatever you want to call it. Right,

(01:01:47):
we don't know. We haven't got a clue. And so
I'm always thinking, you know what I mean, we don't
have a clue. We think everything's condensed to and confined
to our world. Now, our world's under standing in our
world's physics, No, it's not. Our world's physics is nothing
and apply out there. So I think that there's a

(01:02:09):
lot more going on than what we think. My encounter
back in seventy five with this creature opened my eyes
to that and changed my life forever, because from that
point there I started to understanding here, here's my mindset
before that was people are crazy who see these things.
After I've seen it, I said, my goodness, these things
are real and this is real? What else is real?

(01:02:34):
Think about that? That gives me to thinking about that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
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Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
All around Camden and down to Louisiana, it's it's greenery
in it. There's there's loads of loads of trees and forestation,
and there's there's Marshland. It is so easy for something
living that way.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
You're right, and let me throw this in there real fast.
I didn't mean to cut you off and apologize that,
but I told you i'd tell you something, and I
plumb forgot and then let me tow end real quick. Okay,
About a year, not even a year ago, I heard
my son and told me about you, said, you know,
he said, and I've heard you've heard of Bucky Creek
creature from Bucking Creek and all that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
Oh in Folk, Yeah, in.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
Fulk Fove, Arkansas. It but four hours from here, four
hours from the other side of street Port. And so
my son told about it. So we went up there,
and they have a museum up there and called a
Bigfoot museum. And went up there and walked aside, looked
around really kind, really neat and the kind of cool,
and looked around there. Well. So I was talking to
one of the gallas who worked there, and I told

(01:04:18):
her I signed the book. You know, you signed a
book where you're from and everything. I told her my encounter.
She goes, you had an encounter, I said, just damn.
She goes, hang on. She had the owner come out.
The old fella on the place. He come out there,
and he said, like to hear your encounter. So I
told it. Tim told you, and I did not realize
how close this was to Camden, Arkansas. I had no idea.

(01:04:41):
He said, you realize, camb it ain't down the road.
I said, what he said, cam It is not far
here at all? I said, are you serious? He said,
you know a few miles down the road. He said, look,
he said, do you realize He said that the creature
that was seen out here at Boggy Creek in seventy one.
He said, you've seen this creature in seventy five. A

(01:05:01):
few years later, just down the road a few miles.
He said, I'm wondering if that ain't the same creature.
So I said, I can't say. I don't know, and
I'm sure there's more than one, but I mean, I
don't know. He said, I've never seen one before, but
he said I heard one several times. And he said
I've recorded one, and he said, I'll never forget it.

(01:05:22):
He said, would you want to hear it? And I said, yes, sir.
I said sure, I've heard the roar. I know what
it sounds like, and I'm not saying every one of
them sounds the same. You know, I'm sure there's different roarers,
different ones, and this and that and everything else. But
he went and he had had his cell phone and
he said, listen to this, and my wife was next
to me, and he played that roar. And he was

(01:05:45):
way out there in about the creek. You know, he's
camping out there, and heard the war several times. He
got his phone out to go ahead and report it,
and I mean hearing about my next to it up
it was dang near the same exact roar like I
heard forty seven years earlier. Started like a panther and
like a lion or something. It was just they rumbled

(01:06:07):
through the woods. He said, it scared the socks off.
I said. I said, yeah, so you know what I
felt like. And I've seen the damn thing well, so
that just I had no idea canon was that close
And I can't remember what he said, thirty five forty
miles away. It wasn't that far off. And he said,
these things, well, what do you call it? They hang

(01:06:27):
around a certain area there and for a while, then
they'll migrate off about thirty or forty five fifty miles
angry in there for a while and come back to
this area like that, and it kind of four square
like that and do that, and I said, way and
the something. Yeah, but Arkansas is Arkansas losing in. Are
both just woods all they are? Woods are swamp, that's it.

(01:06:48):
And and of course you got Texas bordering off from that.
You got Texas boarding off from that the other side
of losing it, and you got Mississippi. And but yeah,
that's that was really so. And I never forgot that.
And I said, that's one. So I had the mixed.
I told you I heard that sound when that roar
once before, and that was it right there the second

(01:07:09):
time on this recorder he had on his phone. This
whole thing. I wondered, when I go on the woods hunting,
I'm not gonna lie when I go on the woods hunting.
It's always in my mind, not going with by myself
sometimes and I tell my mind, what if what if
I see another one? Had a friend of mine telling me,
he said, why don't you call one up. He's out

(01:07:29):
there in the middle of nowhere, all one up, going
in and start whacking on some trees and you know,
knock and do some tree knocks. And I said, Son,
you don't understand I didn't want to see the first
one I see that. He just jumped out and said, hey,
what's up baby. I didn't want to see the first
one I seen. I didn't really know. I don't know
if I want to see another one. I'm a gonest,

(01:07:50):
but I don't know if I do. I mean, I
don't know. It's just embedded to me. But it shocked
me when I seen the first one. If i'd have
known what it was while it was going after when
I've seen it, it might have not hit me so hard.
But not knowing what it was and going out, think
of some fella I'm going after and I'll turn out
to be this creature. So yeah, it definitely put the

(01:08:12):
shock in me.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
Like you said, Steve, you know they're going to see
you before you see them.

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
I promise you they will. And that's what I've come
up with on my little footwork I've done, is these animals,
you know, are part human, part human ability and animal ability.
They freeze and there they sit in the woodline like
a deer. Deer will sit there and watch you before
you see it. I bear the same way animals can
do it squirrels the same way, bobcats and panthers the
same way. They'll all freeze in place. That's how. That's

(01:08:41):
part of their camo able to go ahead. And we
don't see things till we sense the movement, That's what
it is. And they're out there, and they went out
in the wood right there watching me. I wouldn't even
know it, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
So they can hair us and they can smell us
a mile away.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
Sure, I agree. And their senses are very sad out,
very strong. Plus being part animal, they're gonna have that
sixth sense, that six inbility. You ever watch a dog
sitting in the house and you're sitting or you're sitting
here in your porch and you have your dog next
to your chair or whatever, and all of a sudden,
that dog's airs raise up, his ears raise up, and
all of a sudden he looks up. He hears something coming.

(01:09:17):
Now you don't hear it yet, but he does. He
knows it's there. You see what I'm saying. He has
six cents kicks in. These animals have that sixth sense.
These creatures have that sixth sense. They know we're coming
before we know they're there. I mean, that's how they
avoid us. All the time. People say, well, how come
out and see one. If you don't want you to
see him, you're not going to see him. And that's
just basically what it is. I guess this one here,

(01:09:39):
we've seen. He wanted to see him, so we did.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
When he was fleeing, you certainly did hear and see him.
I mean to knock over that telegraph pole. I mean,
what's that. That's gotta be two foot in Diana.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
The telephone pole was about probably about twelve inches.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
In diameter, right, yeah, I mean they're big and thick.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
Yeah, they're very thick. That your corner foots doesn't fit.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
And and that, and he splintered the two by six two.

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
By six, so he went ahead and splintered them on
time by busting track that went through at full throttle.
When he laid over that corner post, it didn't break it,
like I said, he just laid it over. And to
do that is unbelievable. And uh so, yeah, I mean
that's if you ever hit it for an experiment, you
ever get a chance go to you know, if you
get around an old lapidated farm or whatever and there's

(01:10:25):
a corner post up there cut down down la bone pole.
You know, as long as he ain't rotted, try try
to push that critter over. You can tell you can
take a truck and go ahead and tie a chain
to it, and go ahead and try to jerk it over.
You'll you'll put your bumper off before you pull that
thing over. I'm telling you, uh so caught that right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
It makes you wonder. I mean, was Grannie's cooking good?

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
It was amazing. I'll tell you what was she met
was she made fried chicken and biscuits. Those are the
best bit homemade biscuits I've ever had in my life.
I mean, and she made old sour dough biscuits. I
mean they were just great. I mean, and they weren't
your When I say biscuit, I know people think, well
biscuits about you know the size of your palm. No,
these are thing bigger in your hand. They were almost

(01:11:05):
a meal in themselves. And when she made those and
we shot sausage gravy, oh my son, it make you
want to hurt yourself. Her pancakes, I mean, everything she made,
but her fried chicken was unbelievable. It was amazing. I
never had fried chicken as good as that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
Well, since when she saw the big feather at a window,
that's that's obviously why he was attracted where he was
cos the window he's smelling ground his cooking.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
I would think so. I would think so that he'd
come to that now, you know. I never really asked
her if he looked at another window at her or not.
I you know, she just said he came around three
times before looking in. But I assume it's the cooking,
because you can all the place. I would think so.
And if I was him, I'd be coming for some
groceries too, I would tell you what, you know. I mean,
I'd probably trying to figure out how to speak English

(01:11:51):
to say, hey, you know, can I get some You know,
I'm just for groceries. But uh yeah, I mean. And
evidently he wasn't violent. He didn't try to aggress us.
He didn't try to aggress her. He had breaking the house,
He didn't tear anything up in that farm except for
that cattle gate, and that was to get away from us,
you know. And I didn't feel threatened by him by

(01:12:13):
any means at all. He could have aggressed us. He
could have attacked us like some and you know, yeah,
we'd open fire, but I doubt the weapons we had
would't or anything against him. As big as he was,
he'd have had us dead the rights we've been over with,
you know, but he didn't. And you know, concretes in
the fact. I don't think these things are really violent.

(01:12:34):
I don't think they are. I think they're just here
surviving in the world like we are, trying to keep
alive and trying to go ahead and take care of
their families. And I believe they're in families. They have
to be, you know. And I heard folks say, well,
they come from outer space, they come from other dimensions,
they come, or there's animals whatever. You know. Hey, I'm

(01:12:54):
not going to say no or yes to either one
of those because I don't know. But anything's possible. Thing's possible.
I've learned that after that night. I developed the outlook
anything is possible. And that's what I believe people tell me.
I believe in ghosts. I believe that okay UFOs, aliens, inductions.
I believe that because that that creature exists, it opens

(01:13:16):
the whole gate to what else exists too. That's just
the way it is.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
Yeah, that's just the way it is. You know, you're
absolutely right if you if you corner anything, then you
know they're gonna lash out, They're gonna want to get
you know, they'ren want to get away, They're gonna want
to survive, you know. So it makes sense. Instances where
there has been aggression shown with bigfoot sight ends, it's
simply because you're either in their territory and they don't
want you there, You're put in their family at danger,

(01:13:42):
you know, so it makes sense. I think anyone would
do that. You know, if anyone broke into your house,
you know you're gonna want to protect your family and
protect yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
I agree you're right on track on that. I believe
you one hundred percent. I'm with you on a hundred
percent on that. Oh. I believe that's what it is.
And they have the right to protect their families and
like we do anything else, and they're just carrying through
with what they have to do. And I'm what's I
think that's exactly right. I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
When you were working for law Inforcement, Steve, would you
get would you ever get reports like this?

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Yeah? I did get a few. I got a few,
and like I said at the time, I got these.
I was. I wasn't sharing my encounter back then, so
I didn't tell them my encounter. But I just calm
them down because I had one gal that was really
I mean, she was really to straw. I mean she's
almost She said, you can think I'm crazy, and I
know I know what I saw. I said, ma'am. I said,
calm down, calm down, I don't think crazy. Yeah, but

(01:14:33):
I mean there's you know people, I said, ma'am. I said, look,
I'm not people. I'm here for you. I'm here for you,
and I have to calm down. Because they were very nervous.
They were afraid to get laughed at. They were afraid
of the ridicule. And that's why a lot of people
don't come forward. That's why I didn't come forward for
all them years. Ridicule. No one wants to get laughed at.
No long getsider way. You're just an old coup. You

(01:14:54):
just let you know. Or you was out there doing
maths or whatever, I mean, you know, or you was drunk. No,
you know, you got too many sightings. People were seeing
too many things. And yeah, these these reports, I take
you know. These these were good people, they were good,
These were good people that were shook up on what
they seen. Uh you know, so I one hundred percent

(01:15:14):
believed I did, and I told them I believe them,
you know, And I turned to report in follow up
on it and everything. But it's just and of course
I worked with a lot officers that would laugh at it,
oh man, that says, that's a bunch of bowl. They
didn't believe it, you know. And you know, my outlook
on it is law enforcement officer. I've always been a
people person, you know, in the military. On my job

(01:15:38):
is to go ahead and serve protect the same thing
and law enforcement service protect. I want to go and
make sure the people I'm around are comfortable. If they're not,
I want to help calm them down. All right, That's
that's my job. So I took my job serious, and
you know, I'm glad I did. You know. When I retired,
I was a captain and I was shift commander, and
I went ahead and made it very through to all

(01:15:59):
the officers is working for me. This is what I
expect that of my shift. This is what I expect
out of my people, you know, And this is what
I want done. I want everyone treated and respect. I
want everyone treated right. And if I find out that,
you know, one of y'all going ahead and trying to
frame somebody or do something unethical, you will answer to me.
I won't have it at my shifts, you know, So

(01:16:20):
I would keep the other the playing field. I want
an equal on both sides, not just one side. I
don't want people having well, you know, you know, people
get nervous when they get around the officers. You know,
they oh man, you know. And I don't want anyone
to being nervous around me unless they have reason to be.
They have reason to be, then we can get you know,
they get to the next level. But you know they don't. Hey,

(01:16:42):
don't be nervous because I'm here like anybody else. I
got two feet and two hands just like you, you know.
And so it was. I enjoyed my career, I did.
I mean, we had some wild times too, and them wrong,
but I enjoyed it. But yeah, the few reports I
did take these are people that you know had honest
I believe that word they said. I believe the word
they said. So and am I saying they maybe there

(01:17:04):
was a case of misidentification. There was one in particular
that could have been I'm not saying it was, but
it could have been a case of misidentification. But I,
you know, don't know, and if I don't know, I
can't if I can't see either way, I'm not going
to say because I don't wan to take a chance
of it being a legit and telling that tell hey,
look you know you've seen something else. No, no, I
won't do that. Not let's have concrete evidence. I will

(01:17:27):
not do that. Side interesting career, it really was, and
uh I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
It's sure science is Steve having experienced What advice would
you have to any one night there which which believes
they have sen something pretty much like you have?

Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
My best advice to them is this is it basically,
go ahead, number one. You know, think through the whole situation.
Think through the situation, keep it fresh in your mind,
write it down, physically, write it down. Biggest mistake people
make us go ahead and try to say, well, I'll
have a mental note of it. No, no, no, that's
that's good. And having a metal note is great. Yes,
like I said earlier, you have a traumatic experience, you'll

(01:18:03):
remember things in detail. However, write it down, write it down.
It's so important I did mine, I did mine. You
write it down because now you can go over it
and look at it and you know exactly what it is,
so that way it doesn't differ. You know, you don't
want to tell your story ten years ago and today
tell it and half it's changed. You don't want that.

(01:18:24):
Maybe it's not on purpose, okay, but over time, things happen,
things change the way the mind works, memory works. So
write it down. Always write it down. Take got down
notes of everything you encountered, cheap tack of dates and times,
that kind of thing. Don't let anyone discourage you. That's
what's really important. Don't. Well, I'm worried about my folks

(01:18:47):
or my friends or my family going ahead and you know,
cutting up, laughing at me, my coworkers, whatever. Hey, that's
their problem. That's their problem. Okay. If they don't want
to believe it, that's fine, that's up to the that's
up to them. But you know what, don't let them
discourage you. Don't let them crush your world because their
world is covered up in negativity. You know, So I

(01:19:09):
believe in you know, coming forward with what they have
to say. I encourage anyone who is you know an
ex military, anybody who is ex law enforcement, you know,
to go ahead and come forward and share these because
people need to hear and the more they hear, you know,
for anybody I don't You don't have to be a
person in law enforcement. Military, could be it could be
a person who does medical background. Someone comes from computer background,

(01:19:32):
office background, construction background, gardenering background, farming background, whatever, doesn't matter.
The bottom line is if you hear. And this is
kind of like what I kind of call and I
called it in the military in all law enforcements SWAT teams.
And it's different from what people think. SWAT teams stands
for a special winning attitude teams. What I call that
in my shift, I would teach my shift, you know,

(01:19:52):
especially winning attitude teams. Is what we do is we
coordinate with people. Okay, so you as you get with
this guy over here, he's a farmer. So what you
want to do is get here with other farmers to
go ahead and talk about their story. Okay, you go
ahead and get with this guy who's the medical industry
or gal in the medical industry, get them with other
people in the medical industry to relate their stories. Good.

(01:20:13):
Why it's that so important because they're relating to each
other because they all have something in common. You understand,
they're in common with their work, what they do. This
guy here's a farmer, he's talking to a farmer. This
gal here's a nurse, he's talking to a nurse or
a doctor. This guy here is a construction worker. He's
talking to an instruction worker. You know. And that's what
you do. That's why I called spending special winning attitude teams,

(01:20:33):
SWAT teams, okay, and to go ahead and get people
according So if you have an encounter and you you're
afraid to share it with somebody, get with someone who
is and the same occupation as yourself, who you know,
and get with them and share it with them, because
they're going to be more appt to believe you because
you have something in common with them, you see. And

(01:20:56):
that's what's so important. And that's when they help ease
the pain a little bit and kind of shorten the blood.
But yeah, I mean, there's no sense of keeping inside
jawll And I did all the years, and I regret
that I do regret it up eating me up inside
all the years, the times that I would sit there
with my friends you know, years ago, and I was
want bunting the bust of the scenes and tell them
what I saw. But I said, no, go laugh at me,

(01:21:18):
you know so I didn't. I kept you deciding me
I wouldn't say anything. And there several times I could
have got with people that wouldn't allowed that he would
really took it serious and said hey, you know so
and stood with me so that I didn't take a chance.
I was my fault. So I encourage anyone to come forward,
you know, and do that if you don't feel comfortable
and get with someone you know that you know very well, okay,

(01:21:41):
or someone who's in the same occupation as you, and
that way you have something in common with them, something
to relate to them. That's going to go ahead and
help a lot get that foot in the door, so
to speak. And I hope that helps anybody that to
come forward, because now people are coming forward more and
more now, they are coming out open more and more
now because all these encounters are happy. People are coming

(01:22:04):
forward more and more now and saying, hey, you know,
I had this, and I've seen this, and I saw
this last week, last year, ten years ago, twenty years ago,
and they're coming out now and they're telling their stories
and it's people are saying, well, yeah, but why you're
gonna have the occasional fools that come out there and say, well, yeah,
well we don't see them on trail cameras. How come
there's the blurry photo? How come this? And how come

(01:22:26):
that you don't worry about that? You know what was it?
Just a few years ago they found that animal I
can't remember what they called it, but it was like
half tiger, half woolf or something like that, in off
the coast of Australia. And until a few years ago
it was considered a myth like an unicorn. It was
a mythological creature. People said, oh I don't exist. They

(01:22:48):
laugh at you saw one. And here a few years
ago they actually captured them and they found some that
actually exists. So this is happening all the time. Also,
look at this, Okay, remember when we were kids the show,
the show or the book twenty thousand Leagues under the Sea,
remember that, uh, and with a big old giant two
hundred foot long squid tacks that sub and all that

(01:23:11):
kind of thing. In school we were laughed at, you know,
teacher said, oh I ain't real. Quids don't grow more
than ten foot long. That ain't Real's just make believe right.
All of a sudden, not many years ago, when they
find off the coast of Baja California. Out there they
found squids that were in excess of two hundred foot
long squids. These creatures actually existed, that were mythological yesterday

(01:23:36):
become reality to day. And that's what we're seeing that
what's that display?

Speaker 3 (01:23:42):
Was that?

Speaker 1 (01:23:42):
What that suggested suggests we don't know. We think we know,
we think we know everything about our world. We don't.
We don't even know what exists in our ocean, you know,
so we don't know it exists in all the world.
Well how come well we don't see it. Well, it
doesn't matter if you don't see it, it sees you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:02):
So Steve, that is sound advice. So hopefully more people
will take heed good stuff, Steve.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
Yes, sir, I appreciate you, and I appreciate you, know
your time.

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
Steve, I really appreciate you coming on sharing it all
for our listeners.

Speaker 1 (01:24:14):
Yes, sir, and again, thank you for your time so much.
Appreciate you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
You're more than welcome. I will talk to you soon. Okay, sir,
Thank you sir, take care, Steve, you me back. That's
all for this week. Keep updated and connected with the
show on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram. And if you have
an encounter that you'd like to share on the podcast,
you can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com,
or you can reach out to me via the contact

(01:24:39):
page on my website at UFO Chronicles podcast dot com.
A big thank you to Steve for sharing tonight, and
thank you all for listening. I will be back next week.
Till then, stay safe and keep watching the skies. Goodbye,

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