Ep.194 Joshua Tree (Throwback)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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a UFO hanging in? We don't want to report every
thirty one. Do you wish to report a UFO over hey,
we want to one of those areas thirty one.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Do you wish to find a report of any kind
of it?

Speaker 1 (00:18):
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thirty one me neither. There s one golf if it.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Was actually uh above us to pass us, like thirty
seconds ago, we were sending one top of golf negative, Okay,
OFFI the UFO.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
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I go. I don't know what it was, but it's
from at least to three thousand feet above us. See,
I passed out over.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
The top of US.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
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they're after staying the airplanes, hen I shere to God
more Calm on an Unidentified object every liberty four call
or calm on an Unidentified flying object.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
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(01:48):
Hello everyone, and welcome to the podcast. Wherever in the
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your week is treating you good. I'm Nick Hunter and
you are listening to the UFO Chronicles podcast. This episode
we meet Stephen from Idaho, and Stephen has encountered UFOs
on several occasions, had an interesting near death experience at

(02:10):
an early age, and he would also be sharing several
of his paranormal experiences as well. Stephen is up next.
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on with the show, Welcome Steven to the podcast.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Thank you for having me next, pleasure to be here.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
You were more than well, it was great to have
you with us, and you're calling from Idaho.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
That's correct, boys, Idaho boy see Ido.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Great stuff. Okay, Stephen, you have a few different encounters
that you're going to be sharing with us today. Would
you like to start at the beginning please?

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Sure? Yeah, I'll try to go chronologically. I think that'll
help me remember as much as possible. So i'd say,
I've been having you know, quote unquote unusual experiences since childhood.
When I was very young. On one of my early memories,
I think I was around I want to say, three

(03:41):
four years old, very young, but I do remember it,
and I used to you know, a lot of people
call them imaginary friends and whatnot, but my mom, growing up,
my parents were very religious, and so I would tell
my mom, and my mom would tell me that it
was the Holy It talking to me kind of you know,

(04:03):
she would filter everything through that kind of religious lens.
So I remember. I don't remember all the experiences I had,
that one in particular stands out and I still remember
it very clearly in my mind visually and everything. I
was looking all over for my favorite toy, which was
actually a Staypuff marshmallow Man, figurine from the Ghostbusters in

(04:25):
the eighties. Now I know how old I am, and
I couldn't find it anywhere, and I was looking, looking, looking,
and finally I decided, you know what, I'm going to
ask the Holy Spirit. So I asked, and I remember
distinctly hearing what seemed to me to be like audible,
look under your bed. And of course I'd already looked

(04:47):
under my bed. I never keep anything under my bed,
even to the state. It's always clean. I don't use
it for storage or anything like that. But I decided, Okay,
I already looked there, but I'm going to go ahead
and look. And so I look down and there and
I was like so excited. I grabbed it. I went
downstairs at Mommy, Mommy, so you know, I told her
the whole thing what had happened. And you know, that's

(05:08):
kind of the first clear memory I have of something
out of the ordinary. Skipping forward a few years when
I was about five or six. We were living in
Mission Via a Hill, California at that time, and some
neighborhood kids had built this ramp to basically they're taking

(05:31):
their bikes off the ramp. There was in this cul
de sac and they were biking as fast as they
could and kind of flying off this ramp, and they
were a little older than me. But I was there
on my bike and I was watching them, and they
kind of egged me on to go ahead and try it.
So I got back as far as I could, pedaled

(05:51):
as fast as I could, and I went off this
thing and I don't know what happened, but I went
over the handlebars and I landed on my face and
skidded across the pavement. Was knocked unconscious, and I remember,

(06:12):
this is another distinct memory that I have. I remember
that I was in a complete darkness, but in front
of me, I'd say, standing in front of me, but
see like any platform or anything. But I saw this figure.
It was like a human shaped figure, but it was
entirely made of light. And I remember that the light

(06:37):
seemed to be kind of self contained. It didn't really
illuminate the surrounding darkness. It kind of had this kind
of slight glow around it that made the just kind
of fuzzy and unclear. But I remember distinctly looking like
a human shape and it was just pure light, and
it said simply, do you want to come home, and

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I took that at the time, you know, having my
religious upbringing, I took that to me and do I
want to go to heaven? And you know, do I
want to die? And I said no. And as soon
as I said no, I woke up and turned my
head and I saw my parents running towards me and
everybody kind of in a panic. So I must have

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been out for, you know, at least a few minutes,
because the time it would have taken those kids to
go get my parents and my parents to come over
in the truck would have taken at least a few minutes.
But my encounter was like a moment, you know, basically
enough to hear the question, answer the question, and that

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was it. So I was in pretty bad shape past.
My face was pretty much don The epidermis was all
scraped off, and I had asphalt embedded in my face
and the kind of looked like Hamburger with road ration.
And they had to take me to the hospital, obviously,

(08:07):
and we had to scrub all that assphalt out of
my face. And to this day, I think that's probably
the worst most painful experience I've ever had. I don't
think they could be a meaning anesthesia because I just
had a head injury, so it was really terrible, and
the doctors told my parents that I would be scarred
for life. And basically, my mother told me that the

(08:27):
Holy Spirit told her how to care for my face
so that I wouldn't be scarred, and so she did
exactly as she was instructed to do. And I remember
exactly what she was doing, but probably neo scorn or
something like that and wrapping it in a certain way.
And long story short, I have no scars at all

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from that event. The doctors were completely baffled by that,
and I've had some other kind of medical miracle or
necessarily get into all those, but I just included that
because it was kind of been included with the near
death experience, if you will. So as I grew older,

(09:13):
I stopped having this kind of audible relationship with you know,
whatever this entity was, but I continue to be, I
guess what I would call, you know, very intuitive. And
there was an event I think I was probably around
nine or ten. My mother and I were supposed to

(09:35):
drive up together from our home Mission Viejo up to
the June Lake area, so up Highway three ninety five.
Anyone who's familiar with California. It's a beautiful drive. But
I remember just stinkly having this feeling that we shouldn't go,
and I told my mom that the Holy Spirit was

(09:56):
telling me that we shouldn't go, and you know, again,
I kind of took all this intuition and everything and
put it into that religious box of being the Holy Spirit.
And my mom was shocked because apparently she had been
feeling the same way, but she was ignoring it, and
when she heard it from me, she was like, all right,
we're not going. And so she called her friend last

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minute and canceled, and her friend was really upset. And
I remember on the news like the next day, there
was a report that there had been a flash flood
on the three ninety five and the road was wiped
out and some cars were washed away, and I don't
remember recall if there were fatalities or not, but my

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mom was like, you know, shocked, because she said, that's
exactly where we would have been at that time had
we gone up as planned. So that was pretty interesting.
I don't remember that as well. I kind of remember
bits and pieces of that, and a lot of that
I remember from my mom retelling you later on, but

(10:59):
the earlier two instances are very clear in my mind,
kind of feared into my memory. Moving on from that,
in my high school years, I was really busy with
football and school, and my brother got sick in my
early teens and I ended up dying when I was fourteen,

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So I think kind of dealing with all that and
dealing with adolessons and all my extracurriculars, I didn't really
have a lot of space or time in my life
for things out of the ordinary, and that kind of
continued into the university as well. But it wasn't really
until what my late twenties early thirties that I started

(11:43):
getting really into wilderness back backing with my then girlfriend
now wife, and we kind of fell in love with
Joshua Tween National Park and we started going out there
fairly regularly. And you know, this isn't like a normal
car camping that I think most people do, or they

(12:05):
kind of pull up to a designated camping area and
they have all this stuff there, and you know, this
was like, you know, you drive down a dirt road
for many miles and park and then put on your
backpack and hike for many more miles until you get
to the place where you want to camp, and in
that park, you can camp pretty much anywhere so long

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as you are at least I don't remember the exact amount,
but like one hundred yards from the nearest trail or something.
They don't want people camping along the trails because they
don't want to disturb that experience for the hikers. So
three consecutive trips we went out there, I would say
that we had three experiences that kind of grew in

(12:50):
intensity with each successive trip. The first one was really
really nothing more than a feeling, to be honest, but
it was very strong feeling that we both had, and
we just felt in the daytime it was fine. That
after nightfall, we just both had this kind of dread

(13:12):
that we were being watched, there was something there and
we were not welcome, And you know, I was honestly
kind of pretty scared. But I always do my research beforehand,
and I was very carefully. I used like Google Earth
and topographical maps to kind of plan out exactly where

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we're going to go and where we're going to stay.
And I already know exactly where I planned putting our
tent before we even get there, and I had kind
of set us up so that we were basically surrounded
by these giant boulders on three sides and so that
anything that was going to come at us could overcome
from one direction, and that kind of made me feel
a little more safe. But the second time, we went

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to a different location in the park, and uh, I
didn't really have any of those kind of ceilings at night,
but during the day. On one of those days, so
we had we had camped at the base of Quail Mountains,
which is the tallest mountain in the park, and it's
pretty remote. I mean, you can see it from the

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main road, but we were on the other side of
the mountains that is only accessible by either hiking or horseback.
So we hiked up to the top some of did it,
you know, broad daylight, and we were making our way
back down the mountain to our our campsite, and just

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out of nowhere, this plane just kind of buzz right by.
It just flew right in front of our faces. Now,
people might wonder why I'm talking about a plane, because
you know, this is about UFO encounters and whatnot, But
anybody's done a lot of research on these things, like
you know, you read any Charles Fort back in the day.

(15:03):
He was right in the twenties from New York City,
and he just spent basically the greater part of the
latter portion of his life in the library researching old
newspaper articles. And a lot of people think the UFO phenomenon,
you know, started with you know, up by Mount Rainier

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in the forties and he saw the object that he
describes skipping along like a saucer, and that's where the
flying saucer term comes from. And so a lot of
people think it kind of started there. But way back
in the eighteen hundreds and even earlier, people were seeing
things in the skies that can't explain. And what was
interesting reading Fort is that a lot of these things

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looked like things that people are familiar with. Like, for instance,
I remember there was like a it looked like a
Spanish galleon, like floating through the air that all these
people witnessed and you know, obviously doesn't make any sense
something that is terrestrial, but it's out of place. And

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I think that probably a lot of listeners have had
experiences where maybe they saw something and it seems like
it should be you know, normal, but yet there's something
very abnormal about it, and this was definitely in that category.
For several reasons. I'm not an aviation expert by any standard,

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but for one, that airspace is restricted. You can't just
be flying through a national park, certainly not you know,
a few feet above the ground. I mean, essentially, this
plane must have been i'd say no more than fifty
yards above the mountain side. And it flew right pretty

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much slightly above our eye level, right in front of us,
and it was huge. It was like describe it as
like a World War Two era type bomber. Kind of
looked like that kind of fuselage shape, but it was
entirely chrome from nose to tail, the brightest, shiniest chrome.

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Not a spot on this thing. And you could clearly
see all these panels, and you could see rivets, and
the rivets were off chrome too. Everything was chrome. And
there were no markings on this plane whatsoever, no numbers, nothing.
The other really odd thing about it is that it
was really strangely quiet. If we just hadn't looked up,

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I mean we even know we would have even seen
or hear it, heard it. It was like it was
almost like it wasn't there. We didn't hear it coming,
we didn't hear it leave. It just appeared disappeared, and
that was it. And it kind of the way the
trajectory came in. It was almost kind of flying, like
it was flying in a circle, like around the mountain.

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But there are you know, there's mountain on both sides.
But I just I don't know how it could have flown.
That trajectory just didn't seem to make any sense. So
we were shot. We just looked at each other, like,
what the heck? Was that? Very odd? But you know,

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we went about a business, went pikes back down, finished
star trips, and the rest of it was pretty uneventful,
but that really stands out in my mind. And then
the third time we went out, and I've been into
paranormal stuff USOS for a long time, and I had
picked up a book and I try to find it
since I don't know if it's still available, but it

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was called Paranormal Joshua Tree by Ranger X and it
was purportedly written by a former park ranger there that
worked there for years and years and lived in the
area for years and years and was basically just telling
all the stories that you know he's either personally encountered

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or had been related to him through you know, eyewitness accounts.
And I was totally in love with this book. I mean,
it was just a great read, fun read. So many
like weird and interesting and bizarre stories. And there was
one place in particular that kept popping up in this

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book where a lot of people had had strange experiences.
And I don't know if I necessarily want to say
specifically where it is. I mean, if you can find
the book, then you can find out for yourself. But
you know, these places are very sensitive, and I don't
really want to encourage, you know, a bunch of people

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trumping out there, especially because it's very dangerous as well.
People die in that park all the time, disappear as
they do in many parks around this country and I'm
sure around the world. But I remember this one part,
this one story where these people were camping out on
this ridge above this valley. In this valley is an

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ancient lake bed. It was during the Ice Age, like
pretty much all of the West Coast was just dotted
with these giant lakes that are now deserts, and so
this lake, you know, was evaporated now, but it had
left so much kind of salt behind that things didn't
really grow as well in this valley. I mean, it's
Joshua Tree National Park. Expect to se Joshua because oft wear,

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but there's not a whole lot in this valley floor
and the mountains surrounding. It's basically kind of in this
bowl surrounded by mountains. And there's a fault line from
then through there, the Blue something fault line, And it's
called that because there's this rock throughout these mountains there

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that forget exactly what kind of rocket is blue something
or other or similar to the granite, and that it
has high quarts content. And this area was all mined
for years and years before it became protected and became
a national park. So I had picked out on Google Earth,
I had picked out a location that was a former
mining site, and I basically we set up the tent

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on the remains of this mine, and it had this
wonderful you could see the whole valley and surrounding mount
You can see everything from that damage point, and there
was only one small, kind of barely visible trail to
get up and down from this spot. So I just
I kind of liked how it was secluded and protected,

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and also how we could camp there, and now that
we weren't doing any damage to the natural ecosystem because
it was already damaged, were just camping on top of
that damage. Essentially, I forget what they call that. It's
not spoiled. It's the other term for the rock that
they pull out of mind. But anyway, it doesn't matter.

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But I think it was actually that blue rock material
and I remember it being blue. So we camped out
there and beautiful, beautiful, beautiful night. And the story I
had read in the book was that these people had
seen the owl man there, which is like the local
version of the mothman. People are familiar with that, and

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I don't know why, but I thought I would love
to see that too. Thinking back on it now, it
seems kind of crazy to me, but I don't know,
Like a lot of these things, I just kind of
wanted to see for myself. And I felt that a
lot of times the negative things that people experience or
maybe just do to their own spear, you know, their
own just not expecting to see it. And I thought
maybe if I was expecting to see it, it wouldn't

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be so scary. But we didn't end up seeing that.
We saw something else, which was very interesting. It's probably
the most certainly the most visually spectacular experience that ever had.
So basically, we're looking out looking south from our position.
The valley is below us, and there's these now was

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in the distance called the Hexu Mountains, and I saw
this spotlight up in the air, and I was thinking,
must be some hikers lost, and they've got search and
rescue out there in the helicopter trying to find them,
because you know that happens pretty frequently. People go out
there and prepared and they get into trouble. You know,

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there's no water in places like this either, so I
mean there's springs here and there, but if you don't
know where they're located, you're pretty much screwed unless you
pack in your own water, which is what we did.
I'd bring several gallons with us for a one or
two night trip. So I saw this spotlight and I'm
kind of watching it, and you know, it's out there,

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it's miles away in distance, and as I'm watching it,
I kind of start to have this mental progression, the
spot progression of like, well, well, first off, I don't
hear anything. I hear the helicopter, and second, a spotlight
searching for hikers would be you would see the light

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coming from the helicopter down to the ground. You'd see
that beam, you know, you'd see it moving around. And
I realized that it wasn't and I was when I
realized that, well, if it's not doing that, then it
must be shining directly toward us. And as soon as
I thought that, it seemed to kind of close that

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distance a little bit if then it crossed the valley,
it stayed above the mountains on the other side of
the valley. It's probably three four miles away, maybe more.
And all of a sudden, this round kind of spotlight
looking thing turned into a cigar shaped light. The light

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quality looked to say, but it went from round to
cigar shaped. And almost as soon as it did that,
it began to stroke these I would only describe as
rainbow colors. And it was stroking these rainbow colors and
this like really rapid success across the face of it.
And as it did that, what I could only describe

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is liquid light began to form at the bottom and
literally dripped down toward the mountains below and as these
liquid light drops would fall, they would begin to dissipate
into kind of like a like like this glittery type
substance until they just kind of disappeared before they hit

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the mountains. The only thing I can think to describe
that part of it. You see fireworks and they kind
of at the tail end of it, it kind of
you know, the embers or whatever kind of glitter down
toward the ground before they kind of burn out. That's
what that part kind of looked like. And my wife
was now wife was there and she seeing I'm like,

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are you seeing that? She was seeing it too, and
it was just so amazing. I mean, I was in
complete awe. I didn't feel any year. But you know,
I remember I had this kind of thought, maybe I
should go from a camera. But as soon as I
had that thought, before it probably finished that thought, I

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had a very clear kind of input think you would
all that, you know, don't reach for your camera if
you try to take a picture video, it's it's going
to go away. And I didn't want it to go away.
I wanted it to stay as long as possible. I
was just completely awestruck. But I I recall feeling as

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if there was like a connection between my mind and
the object, like it was it kind of knew what
I was thinking, and I could kind of communicate back
to it in a way. But all this was very quick,
and all of a sudden it stopped strobing and it

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went back to that kind of singular spotlight and then
just was gone. Didn't like fly off or any it
was just just like up, and no sooner had it
done that. And all of this was very quick. I mean,
it couldn't have been more than I don't even know.
It couldn't have been more than a couple of minutes.
But there's probably even less than that. But soon as

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it blinked out, these vehicles, these four wheel drive vehicles
started to come around the bend of the mountain into
the valley there. This is the middle of the night,
mind you. These vehicles start to come in and I'm thinking, oh,
that's weird, you know, kind of a weird time to
go joy riding. You know, if you've done any four

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wheel drive, you know, serious four wheel drive driving, you
know that you really want to be able to see
what you're with. The terrain is in front of you,
and of course they have spotlights and everything for that.
But this is not a drive I would have wanted
to meet in those kind of conditions for sure. So
these vehicles come around the bend and they parked down

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at the backboard. So all the Joshua Tree has backcountry
basically where you park it has this big kind of
sign board there and you put your information on a
piece of paper and you put it in this little
like field box so that if you disappear, they know
where you planned on going, so they can hopefully try

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to find you. You put like where you plan on
going and everything. So they parked there, and these individuals
start getting out of these vehicles and they had flashlights,
and they split up and they each kind of went
in different directions in the valley. And I'm watching all
this too, and I'm thinking, this is so bizarre, and

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I'm watching the whole encounter with this light entity, if
you will. You know, was fairly brief, but I was
watching these guys for an hour or more just trying
to figure out what the heck they were doing. I
was thinking, maybe, you know, they had lost something and
they're going back to try to find it, or you know,
maybe they're trying to find some buddies that they were

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supposed to camp with, and they came out late. I
just couldn't figure it out, but I just remember feeling
kind of I didn't feel any dread at all when
I saw the light entity, but when I saw this,
like that really filled me with dread. And I can't
really explain why, but I was just so glad that
I had picked the spot that I had, because unless

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they knew exactly where to look for us, we didn't
have any lights on. We were totally blended in, like
they wouldn't be able to see us at night especially,
So that just kept going and so eventually I just
went to sleep, and the next day we woke up
and those vehicles were gone and everything seemed normal, and
it was just like, wow, that was quite a night,

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so strange. And sometime later, you know, I remember bringing
it up with my life and it's like she didn't remember,
and I thought it was so strange. And the reason
I that up is because I've listened to enough of
your podcast you know that this is like a theme
that people have. And I thought at the time, I

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was like angry, It's like, how could you forget something
like that? But also I don't know. I didn't want
to be the only one that thought, you know, because
then I just kind of seemed crazy. But if we
both thought, then you know, it's real. So the fact
that she's like not remembered, so I'm like talking about it,
and the more I talked to her about it, the

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more it is like coming back to her like oh yeah, yeah,
you know. So that was kind of strange because this
was something you don't forget period. I mean, the only
thing that I could think that this thing reminded me
of was if you've ever seen footage of like deep
sea creatures that are bioluminescent, That's kind of what this

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reminded me of. So it didn't feel like technological. It
didn't feel like I was seeing a craft. It felt
like this was a living thing and it lived there.
It felt like it was indigenous there. And this is
all I don't know why I'm saying that, I'm saying
it felt that way, and it's like all these things
kind of almost kind of downloaded to me, I feel

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like while I was well, while I was watching it.
But the weird thing is I actually went back and
reread that book later on, and I thought I remember
every single story in there. But the author actually described
scening basically the same thing. H And I had no

(31:35):
recollection of that at the time, and I was like, weird,
why would I not remember reading his part? I read
the whole book. I like totally was obsessed with it, Like,
why would I not remember that? But he saw it,
and he wasn't in the same bangage point. He was
actually down below it in the in this kind of
ravine that goes through those mountains, and he was, you know,

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driving his truck and kind of saw it up above.
But you know, the thing, the way he was describing
in the like kind of liquid light type stuff dripping
down and glittering down. It was the same thing in
the same place. So I thought that was really interesting.

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Speaker 1 (33:27):
Yeah, and beyond that, I mean, there's lots of things
that I've seen experience, and I don't know that they're
all necessarily I wouldn't say that they're not all necessarily
appropriate for this podcast, but they might not necessarily be
interesting to hear because in a lot of these things,
you know, they're doucing to be potential mundane explanations that
you can explain it away, like that the aircraft I

(33:50):
saw on the second backpacking trip. You know, people could say, well,
that was just government, or that was you know, some
hobby flyer that are fixed up and all barm and
was you know, going for a joy ride? Like sure,
all of that makes sense on the surface, but if
you like actually look at the the topography and we

(34:13):
were on the south side of the mountain and you
can see the mountains on either side, and it's just like,
it didn't make sense to me, and it still doesn't
make sense. And what's interesting, Nick, is that we were
scheduled to talk last week and that morning. So lately,
so I have two little boys, and my wife has

(34:37):
a great job with the federal government and she's able
to do remotely. And you know, we moved out here
to Boise from Los Angeles, and I didn't really I
didn't bring my career with me. I had a business
back there that I basically just dissolved. And so longster short,
we decided that, you know, why don't I just take

(34:58):
care of the boys. There are three one and you
know I could do that during the day, and you know,
maybe at night I could just you know, do some things,
kind of pick up some extra cash. So I ended
up taking a job throwing newspapers, you know, in the
early mornings. Six nights a week, which I actually really
enjoy I like being out there when you kind of

(35:19):
have the roads to yourself and everything's just quiet and
peaceful and cool. You know, you see some interesting things
doing that too. I see wildlife all the time, owls, deer, foxes, badgers,
all sorts of cool things. But that morning that we
were supposed to talk, I actually had Normally I go
out alone, but my wife last week was out of

(35:40):
town for her work. She was doing some sight visits
in California. So I had the boys, and you know,
I thought, well, I could get a babysitter, but I
want to pay for it at the time, and I thought,
you know, I was just taking with me. I know
what I'm doing, and you know I can and just
kind of drive smoothly and try to you know, keep

(36:03):
them asleep in there in their car seats in the back,
but turns up. My my younger son just loved it.
He was like he wanted to just be involved and
was talking about it, and you know, he slept some,
but he really enjoyed doing it. So we were driving
out basically starting the night. I was getting a little

(36:24):
later start. It was. It was right around two am.
And we're driving through this rural stretch of highway west
of Boise in the Treasure Valley, and you know, if
you drive through rural areas, it's it's really dark, stars
it's beautiful. And we saw this what I thought looked

(36:49):
like this blue orb sort of flying really rapidly along,
like just above the tree line up ahead of us.
We were coming to a tee the intersection we're abount
to make it right, and it was kind of driving
parallel to the highway that we're about to turn onto,
and my son saw it too, and we're like, what

(37:09):
the heck is that? And then it started kind of
doing these weird formations, and then it would kind of
blink out, and then this red light would appear, and
then it would blink out, and then they like it
would both appear and kind of be almost kind of
dancing together, and this white light would appear between them,
and I'm thinking, oh my god, I'm having like a

(37:31):
ufone counter like right now here with my kids in
the car. But as we continue to kind of get closer,
I was able to see in the moonlight the clear
silhouette of an aircraft, and I'm thinking that is really bizarre.
You know, normally, when aircraft are flying around, especially at night,

(37:52):
they're going to have, you know, a light on each
wing and the light in the center, and they're going
to be blinking or flashing or whatever. And you know,
anybody that's seen aircraft knows that it's pretty obvious when
you see one at night, they all kind of do
the same thing. But this one was kind of turning
lights on and off. It It never had all its

(38:13):
lights on at the same time. It would have like
one wing light on or the other wing light on,
and then only sometimes when it had the center kind
of spotlight and the wing lights on at the same time.
So it was like swooping down and doing these strange
formations in the sky, and it was coming down within
feet of the ground, and it looked like the silhouette

(38:38):
of it. It kind of looked like again, it kind
of looked like a World War two type like fighter plane,
like a one of those things called trying to think
like a spitfire type type look. And I'm thinking, this
is just so strange. The only thing I could think
it was possibly doing is crop dusting, because the way
it was like flying over these fields. But I tried

(39:01):
to see carefully if I could see anything coming out
of it, and I didn't. And I don't know if
any rural you know, listeners or you know, maybe this
is a normal thing. I've only lived in on the
edge of farm country for a little over the years,
so a lot of the stuff is new to me,
and I don't know if it's a normal thing for

(39:21):
people to go out and do this in the middle
of the night with you know, no lights on. But
it was certainly strange and also strangely quiet. So, you know,
this is the kind of thing that I think most people,
if they saw, I'd be like, well, that's weird, but
you probably just kind of put it in the back
of your mind and that's it. But you know, just

(39:42):
having the other encounters that I've had and hearing people's
encounters on the show and reading you know, the things
that I've read, I've learned to kind of not be
so quick to just file things away. Yes, there is
a plausible explanation for that as well, but you know,
like I said, it just seems very odd. And yeah,

(40:05):
if anybody has any thoughts on that, I'd love to
hear it. It was just something totally normal and mundane
and great. You know, I'm hoping to that too. That
first plane could have been the same, but oh, I
knew I was forgetting something. So speaking of things in
the sky that you can't explain, So the first sighting

(40:26):
that I remember having of something in the sky I
couldn't explain, was in that same neighborhood in Mission Yeha
where I was living when I had the near death experience,
and it was a couple of years later. I was
a little older, maybe seven eight, I don't remember exactly,
so this would have been late eighties, early nineties around then,

(40:48):
and Mission Gayho certainly at that time was you know,
it was all new developments, you know, suburban planned community
type deal with, you know, basically a bedroom community. People
I think most of their jobs were elsewhere, and I
was out riding my bike and I'm thinking it was

(41:09):
probably summertime because there was no one else around. I
didn't A lot of my friends would go off the
summer camp but my mom was always paranoid about that
kind of stuff, so I would always have to stay home.
And there was no one else around, and there were
no adults around either that I could see, So I'm

(41:30):
thinking maybe it was like a weekday, you know, the
middle of the day, people at work, but summer, because
you know, there were no friends around the weekend it
would have been I would have been playing with friends.
But at any rate, it was broad daylight and I
was riding my bike on the street just adjacent to
the little cul de sac where I had my accident

(41:53):
a couple of years prior, and I looked up and
above Lake Mission Dieo the what would that be? Kind
of like the south east side of the lake. You know,
there's all these homes there, and up above that, just
sitting motionless in the sky was a what I could

(42:14):
only describe as a dough decahedron, and believe it is
like a three dimensional, three dimensional like pentagon. And it
was kind of Matt Gray, I remember, And it was huge.
It must have been I mean like if you're holding
your hand out, it must have been like an inch

(42:36):
inch and a half in diameter. And this was and
I looked on the map recently and it was basically
as the crow Fly is almost exactly one mile from
where I was on my bike, So it was quite large,
and it was completely motionless, and I'm just standing at

(42:56):
this thing. And by this time, you know, I'm a
little older, I think, you know, the logical brain was
already you know, starting to really take over, and I'm
just kind of trying to figure out a logical explanation
for what I'm seeing. And I'm thinking, like, is this
a weather balloon? Is this? Like I just I couldn't
figured out, And to this day, I mean, thinking back

(43:19):
on it, I have no idea what it could be. Interestingly,
there are military bases. I mean the one there was
a military base near that location at the time. It's
now closed down. And Joshua Tree obviously has a very
large military base very close by as well. You know,

(43:40):
that's something that people talk about a lot, as well
as like connections between I don't think all these things
are military, though, I mean, it's gonna put in my
two cents. I mean, I'm sure some of these things are,
but I think the kind of military link, I think
there might be a little something else going on there.
But but anyway, I kind of figure out what this
thing was, and I remember I was desperately looking around

(44:03):
for an adult and that's why I remember there are
no DUTs around because I couldn't see anyway I really
just wanted to pull some like adult over haven't looked
at it and tell me what it was, But there
was no one there, and I'm sure now as an adult,
they probably wouldn't be name it will give me an
explanation anyway, but I just it just kind of sat there,

(44:25):
motionless in the sky, and eventually I just kind of
gave up. But I biked off. But I figured, well,
there's got to be some explanation. I don't know what
it is, but you know, it wasn't moving, it wasn't
doing anything, and you know, being a kid, your attention
span only lasted so long. So I biked off. But
I imagine today i'd probably you know, I want to

(44:46):
go toward it or something. I want to investigate that further.
But yeah, if anyone's ever seen anything like that too,
i'd be curious because I've never heard or read of
anything quite like that. So, you know, in a long time,
I didn't I don't really talk about these things with people,
but you know, listening to your show kind of just
made me feel, you know, I should really share these stories,

(45:10):
because you know, the more we share, the more I
think we kind of start putting together some of these
pieces and maybe making some sense of it all. And
if someone has seeing something similar, I mean, it would
be interesting to know if someone knows a MONDAYE explanation
for that as well. I'd love to hear it, because
you know, I was just trying to rack my head
even now, like I still can't think of what it

(45:32):
would be. I mean, it was geometrical. It wasn't round,
like it could have banned out Weatherboy or something. They
had these very clear, clearly defined, hard sharp edges. So
then it's broad daylight. And that first plane I saw
was broad daylight. It was only the light entity I
saw the third time in Joshua Tree in that plane

(45:55):
I saw just the other night that were really night
night time experiences. But yeah, I think that kind of
runs the gamut of the strange and unexplained that I've
seen over the years. And I'll certainly keep my eyes
peeled and I'm always looking at the sky, like you
say in your podcast, keep looking at I'm always looking.

(46:18):
I'm always curious as to what I'm going to see.
But yeah, that pretty much concludes what I have to
share today.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Good stuff, Steven. You know, I knew this was going
to be a good one when you started off with
the Staypush marshmallow.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
Man, right, Yeah, I mean even that paranormal indeed it is.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
Yeah, it's I love a bit of eighties nostalgia as well.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
I love it. Yeah, I honestly wish I still had
that figurine. I don't know what it came of it
over the years. It was really cool. I'm sure someone
out there probably still had one, but yeah, that was
my favorite toy. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
I never had one of those. I mean I was
what five when the movie came out, but I did
make I did make the backpack out of cardboard and
hype in nice.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
Yeah. I remember we used to in preschool. We used
to basically put the shovels like stick the shovels, san
shovels together, film with sand and that would be like
our exo plousand guns or whatever they're called. We were
pretty obsessed with Ghostbusters back in the day.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Yeah, I love it, love the movie. Yeah, I've not
seen a new one yet though.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
No, I haven't seen any of the new ones either.
My nostalgia only goes so far. I'm excited for the
new Willows series. That's really tickling my eighties nostalgia. I
don't know if you ever saw the original Willow of course, yeah,
I sure have. Yeah, so they're bringing back the Australian
actor at forgetting his name who played Willow. He's in it,

(47:41):
Warwick Davis, Warwick Davis. Yeah, you have to look that up. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
And of course Warwick was an e walk as well
when he played with the Ewoks.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
Yeah. Yeah, I'm really excited for that.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
And also he was Leprecorners.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
Oh, he was Leprecawn. That's right. I've never watched I'm
not like a big horror movie guy, but I'll probably
to see that at some point.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Yeah, exactly, I have to check that out. I like
the way they bring a lot of the old eighties
stuff back. I haven't watched too much of Stranger Things,
but I do like, you know, the way they even
corporated the eighties.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Yeah, that was for me. It's a good show. And
you know, it's funny you bring that up too, because it's,
like you know, a lot of people, there's always that
debate with with UFOs UAP, you know, is it extraterrestrial?
Is the government is that? And I don't know, I
think kind of Stranger Things kind of hits a little

(48:33):
closer to the market as far as what I think
what we're seeing, and I think a lot of these
things come from a parallel reality. Cars. I think we're
seeing either kind of a bleed through from that parallel reality,
or maybe some of these things and kind of come
back and forth at will. I mean, I'm not saying
I mean, obviously I believe that there's got to be

(48:55):
other life out there, you know, physical life living on planets,
breathing air like we do. But I'm just not convinced
that that's what we're seeing here necessarily. I think, you know,
when you go back in the history books, things like
the Grays, you know, these things have been people have

(49:18):
been experiencing these things since the dawn of time. This
is not some recent ep visitor to our planet. If anything.
I think they're from here, you know, maybe some alternate
version of here, but I think they're from here. I
think they're indigenous. And that's kind of how I felt
when I saw that that sort of light entity, if

(49:40):
you will. It just felt like it was from there,
you know, And no part of why, I don't want
to get into too many specifics as to the way
that was, I feel kind of protective of that entity. Strangely,
I just I don't want anybody disturbing it, if that
makes sense. But yeah, and I still don't know what
those people were about. There was around. You know, at

(50:01):
the time, I felt like maybe they were nefarious, Maybe
they didn't want us to see what we saw and
they were trying to find us. But you know, maybe
the opposite is true. Maybe this thing was dangerous. Maybe
they were coming out to protect us from it. Like
I don't know, maybe they were there for some completely
different reasons. But it was all just rather strangely coincidental

(50:23):
how it.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
Happened, right, Okay, So when you saw that light ensity
by the Hexy Mountains, how long before the SUVs turned up?

Speaker 1 (50:33):
Almost immediate. I mean I would say that from the
time that I first noticed the spotlight, if you will,
to the time that it kind of morphed into you know,
another shape and doing all the crazy colors and dripping light,
that was probably a few minutes, maybe even as many
as ten minutes. I mean, I remember, it seemed like

(50:55):
it was out there for a while, and I was
kind of took me kind of a while to kind
of start putting pieces this doesn't seem quite normal. But
then from the time where it started to put on
the display, from the time it put on display to
the time it blinked out, it was much more brief
moments minute. You know, I was so kind of enthralled

(51:16):
that I couldn't really tell you exactly howm but I
know it was. It was brief, and almost as soon
as it blinked out, these vehicles came around the corner.
So from its vantage point, I mean, if it was
like looking out, it probably would have been able to
see the headlights on these vehicles coming from, you know,

(51:37):
before they got there. But yeah, it blinked out like
almost immediately before they appeared. I mean, maybe it was
a few moments, but it was. It was. It was
a very brief interim.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
So it would have had to have been off road.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
The area. Yeah, it's all off road. You can't go
out there. You can't go out there unless you're in
a serious four wheel drive vehicle.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
So if that thing had a good vantage point, and
chances are they could see they could see it from
where they were and whether they were looking for it
or they'd spotted it in the distance and they were
coming over to the seat and to check it out
to find out what it was, or if they knew
what it was.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
Well, if they were coming out to check out what
it was, I don't know why they would have stopped
in the valley. I mean, from my vantage point, it
was clearly beyond the valley, above the mountains, beyond the valley.
Maybe they didn't know that, but they seemed very focused
on the ground. They had their flashlights pointed at the
ground and they were like sweeping. They were doing like

(52:36):
a search pattern, and it was it was weird, man.
I mean I thought about that too. Maybe they were
just trying to I think my wife said, maybe they're
just trying to come out and see if they could
see it again. But they didn't seem if they had
seen it, they didn't seem too concerned about that. They
seemed concerned as to what was on the valley floor. So,

(52:56):
and you know, I know there were other campers out there,
because there were other nicles parked at the at the
back country stand there, but I don't know where they
were camped. I think one was kind of below us,
maybe a few hundred yards across the valley floor. But yeah,
it looked it looked to me like they were either
searching for someone or something that was on the ground.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
Yeah, and that whole area, know, it's it's always been
surrounded in mystery, and it's always been known as a
very energetic place. You know, a lot of energies there.
And you're yeah, you're right. I mean there's there's endless
amounts of accounts, like you said, the owl Man, and
I think the Yuka the big foot in the yucker
Man has also been reported those areas.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
Yeah, yeah, and those are all in that in that
book I mentioned, Yeah, Yukaman, there's the local Bigfoot, the Owlman,
the hexy hum which I didn't experience, but apparently some
people would poort a weird hum out in that area.
They can't be explained, although there might actually be some

(54:00):
The fault line might actually have something to do with that,
because you know, all these things create a lot of
electromagnetic because this is all very close to the San Andreas.
San Andreas basically forms the southern end of Joshua Tree
National Park, So all these things are kind of connected.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
Right exactly exactly. Yeah, And like you said, you know,
it can be a very dangerous place out there. Any
national to be honest, any National park can be dangerous.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
Yeah, and kind of put a little exclamation point in
that remark. When we went out to Quail Mountain on
that second trip, we actually found a human bone and
I told someone about it, and they're like, oh, did
you report it? And I felt so bad because I
didn't even cross my mind. It looked so old. I figured,
you know, as probably someone from the Prospector days, but

(54:48):
it was like the human armbone. People die and disappear,
and not just there, but in all of our park
all the time. And the National Park Service won't release
any data. I guess someone put out an official request
for it and they said that they just don't have
that data, that it would take like millions of dollars

(55:10):
to like hire the staff to like even accumulate that data.
But I mean, there are thousands of people that are
missing with no explanation. Sometimes we find the bodies. I
remember a couple was found recently in Joshua Tree and
it looked like they had shot themselves because I guess
they were concerned that they were going to starve death

(55:32):
or run out of water and they didn't want to
go through that. And that's sad and they found their bodies,
but you know, a lot of people we don't find,
and so part of me is like, well, maybe maybe
those guys that were searching the floor are do me
a favor. Maybe they were shooing this thing away that
might have taken us. Like I don't know. I wasn't
getting a hostile vibe from it, But that doesn't mean

(55:55):
a whole lot really at the end of the day,
it's intentions and what I think I think its intentions are.
It could be two completely different things. But it felt
like it was putting on a display for us. It
felt like it was putting on a show, and I
really enjoyed the show. I wish I could have seen
more of it, but yeah, it was cut short.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
It could be one of those siren type things, you know,
where it attracts you with their display and their beauty
and stuff, and then when you do approach, and then
then it's got you.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
Yeah, I mean maybe I try to, like I don't
want to turn the unknown into the boogeyman, you know,
Like I try not to, you know, just go to
the most negative possibility. But but you could be right,
I mean, it could it could be what it is.
I mean, I don't know if it's I don't know
if anybody saw the recent movie Nope from from Peel,

(56:47):
But yeah, there's basically this flying saucer that turns out
to actually be like a biological entity that's like eating people.
And I saw that. I'm like, I wonder if this
thing was like that. You know. All I know is
that it was beautiful. It was unexplainable, and I feel
really privileged to have seen it.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
Of course, you should always exercise caution when you know,
when you're experiencing something you know you don't quite understand,
but it's a normal reaction to try and absorb more
get it all a bit closer.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
You know. So yeah, and I definitely didn't feel drawn.
I mean, I wasn't going to leave that mountain, that's
for sure. I wasn't gonna leave my camp site. To
cross that valley in the middle of the night would
have been foolhardy. But I wonder, though, I do wonder
if it hadn't been cut off, if it would have
actually approached us more. And if I had, then honestly,

(57:38):
maybe I would have been more frightened. I think that
the distance it had from us, you know, having the
kind of value in between felt safe, you know, but
if it started to breach that distance, and maybe I
wouldn't have felt so safe anymore.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
And that plane. Have you tried looking, maybe looking through
Google to see if you can identify the plane? You
said it was silver like a chrome.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
Yeah, so I've looked through Google. I was looking. There
was a Yeah, there's a couple of things that it
kind of resembled like the sea was at the C
one thirty kind of resembles that. But then a lot
of those kind of modern cargo planes have that sort
of flat edge in the back below the tail that
had the door that opens, the big door that opens up. Yes,

(58:20):
and it didn't seem to have that. It seemed to
be more tapered back like the old style World War
Two bombers. So to me, it was kind of like
a cross between the two. But it was a similar build,
similar nose shape. It had props, you know, four props
like that plane does, right, because.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
I think the the B twenty nine, the old super
fortress that had the four props. But obviously it's got
quite a huge wing spy In any case, how big
did this this plane look to you?

Speaker 1 (58:50):
I would say that the see here I'm looking at that. Yeah,
that wingspan definitely looks longer than what I remember. And
the cock it definitely looked more like the C one
thirty didn't have that big kind of all glass cock pit.
But I would say from like nose to tail it
must have been I don't know, one hundred feet. It

(59:11):
was pretty large.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
And you said it was about fifty ydds from the ground.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, it was almost like you could
reach out. And that's the thing it was not. I mean,
anyone think anyone in their right mind would be flying
a plane that way, because that's how people crash, you know.
And like I said, I'm not an expert on these things,
but you know, my dad used to take me to
air shows when I was a kid, and I'm not
totally unfamiliar with these things, right.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
I mean, that's a dangerous distance to be from the ground,
especially you know, an object like that, and you plus
you're surrounded by mountain and desert and boulders as well,
so it's not you know, it wouldn't be a good
idea to be flying that though.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
No, and it was flying at a good clip, I
mean from the moment it came into our eyeline leaving.
It was seconds, I mean it was, I mean maybe
not eight and seconds. It was brief, very brief, but
enough for me to like take in enough of that detail.
Like I remember very clearly the seeing the rivets and
the panels, and very clearly seeing not a single marketing

(01:00:12):
on this plane, no windows except for the front cabin,
and I couldn't make out any pilots. And from that distance,
I think I should have been able to see them,
but it almost seemed like it was kind of obscured.
So I just really saw the plane itself. And yeah, also,
I mean I remember like going to air shows. I

(01:00:32):
mean planes, planes are really loud, really loud. I mean,
like to the point where some good idea to where
earplugs being around them close quarters. And this thing, I'm
telling you, it was just really oddly quiet. I mean
we heard it, but not anything to the degree that
it should have been. I thought, I thought it should have,

(01:00:54):
like at that distance, moving at that speed, it should
have hurt our ears, you know, right at least made
us like duck down or something out of fear. But
instead we're just kind of danning straight up looking at this,
like what the heck is this last week.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
I was here in the studio and at the minute
it's air show season. So and I heard it that
this this a very old World War two plane. I
couldn't I couldn't see it from where I am in here,
but I heard it, and so I naturally went onto
the old flight radar and it was a land cast
of Bomber. So I was kind of god I didn't
make it outside quick enough to see it. Beautiful planes.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
Yeah, and I'm sure you probably heard it from I
mean you can hear those things from miles away, you can.
You did, yeah, yeah, wayning caster Bomriyah, Yeah, you can
hear from miles away. And I was the other thing too.
We didn't hear it approach and we didn't hear it. Leep.
The only time we heard it was when it was
directly in front of our visual range and then it
was just quiet after that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
That's a very mysterious sighting. Nonetheless.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
Yeah, and you know, there's a lot of there's a
lot of aircraft fly, you know, thirty two thirty thousand
feet above Joshua Tree because it's right and it's kind
of crossroads where people are coming into the La area.
From anywhere east or north, they're probably gonna fly over
Joshua Tree, but they're way up there. But even when

(01:02:16):
they're way up there, you can hear them, I mean,
because it's so quiet and Joshua Tree you can hear
a pin drop out there. So anytime a plane flying
at thirty thousand feet you can hear it. It's like
annointy that it's kind of breaking that silence. But this
thing couldn't hear it just right. Only when it was
right in front of us could we even hear a sound,
And it was strangely.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
Quiet, strangely airy. I must have met. The Joshua Tree
National Park is a place on my bucket list, certainly.
Do you want to visit at some point?

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
Oh, it's spectacular. Most people just drive. There's like a
really nice, nicely maintained two lane blacktop highway that runs
most of the length of it, and most people just
drive along that and there's like, you know, little things
you can see along the road. Lovely, but if you
ever get the opportunity to kind of get beyond the

(01:03:04):
beaten path a little bit, it's just it's a very
special place. But yeah, it's not a place that you
want to approach lightly, that's for sure. And what I
found interesting too is that I mentioned that first time
we didn't see anything that we just like felt, you know,
that kind of dread. And I feel like every subsequent
from the first time to the last time, we became

(01:03:26):
like more and more careful and respectful. I mean we
always we never like leave trash or anything. We always
pack in, pack out. In terms of kind of how
we're approaching everything, I think we just became much more
careful because that second trip we did, I found out
later that I had unwittingly trampled a biological soil crust.

(01:03:48):
And I don't know if you've ever heard of such
a thing, but there's these soil crusts that develop over
hundreds even thousands of years, and they're living. It's all
these like organisms living in symbiosis. And I had no
idea about any of that, and you know, I trampled
like a patch of it. And I still feel so
bad about that. And that's part of the reason why

(01:04:09):
I don't want to give people too many details, because like,
unless you know the ecosystem well and you have that
proper level of respect, it's really easy to do harm
without even realizing it. And it seemed like as we
became more respectful, the experiences we have seemed less sort

(01:04:30):
of malevolent, if you will. I don't know. Some of
these things. I wonder like, are we seeing my kind
of nature spirits kind of manisfesting themselves? Are these protectives?
You hear that about Fastquatch a lot. He protects the
natural resources? And yeah, I thought it was interesting that
the more respectful and careful we got, the more pleasant

(01:04:51):
our experiences became. Because even getting buzzed by that plane
was disconcerting. I mean, I was afraid, per se, but
it definitely kind of put me on edge a little bit,
just because of the bizarreness of it and the suddenness
of it. But that last experience was just beautiful, you know,
the strange people searching, sweeping the valley floor in the

(01:05:12):
middle of the night. Aside seeing that light display, it
was just really a beautiful thing to behold.

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Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
So yeah, I would just encourage people. You know, I
was reticent. I still, you know, I'm careful about who
I talked to about because most people, even if they
seem open minded, this is a whole different category of experience.
And I think most people our society were very much
in a material frame of mind, you know, a plus bill. See,

(01:06:24):
everything you know has a logical progression, and the way
we view the world and logical answers and whatnot. We
seem to think we know everything there is to know.
But obviously, when you put all these different experiences that
people have together and you really start to look at it,
you realize our knowledge of the natural world is slim
to none. Really. I mean, there's so much we don't know.

(01:06:46):
What we don't know, I think so far out weighs
what we do know that it's almost ludicrous. You know
a lot of me thinks that, like, you know, reading
comparative mythology and all the things I've been interested in
over the years. I just kind of I see connections
in all these things. And you know, I wonder if
if what we're experiencing today is technological UFOs is really

(01:07:06):
just a continuation of what we've seen before, you know,
as humans in the past and the distant past for millennia.
But oh, you know what, there's actually real quick one
more thing I wanted to tell you. It's actually better
we did this today because I was not really ready
to do it the other day anyway, so it worked
out better for me. But yeah, one, if you don't mind.

(01:07:28):
One other experience I wanted to share was actually in Peru.
And you know, I know people have mentioned the ancient Aliens,
and I, like everyone else, loves the bag on the
show because it's absolutely ridiculous. But I do find it
useful in that they're I think they're pretty good at
sort of collating data, even if they're terrible at interpreting it.

(01:07:50):
They're good at kind of bringing things to your attention
that you know, you might not otherwise have known about.
And I particularly liked their episodes on Peru and the
Andes and it inspired me to take a solo backpacking
trip there in September of twenty fourteen. Basically flew into

(01:08:11):
Lima and had my backpack and just kind of went
by land across through the Central Andes into Cusco and
Bolivia and saw a lot of amazing, amazing things, not
just I mean the people were amazing, culture, the food,
but you know, obviously the archaeology there is mind blowing,
and you know, a lot of the conventional explanations there

(01:08:33):
just don't really make sense. But one of the places
I visited I made a point to visit was mark Awaseem.
Sure probably a lot of the listeners have heard of it,
at least some people call it the Garden of the Gods.
It has all these rock formations that you know are
probably natural, but yet they strangely appear like anthropomorphic like

(01:08:59):
some It was one that looks like a face, and
as one looks like a frog, and all these things,
And so I wanted to go there. And this place
has a lot of mystery and lower among the natural
the native people. Who's kind of a sacred place? I
would say it's definitely a sacred place, just based on
my own experience there. But I went up there alone

(01:09:19):
in camps one night, and I had a really bizarre experience.
I got out there during you know, daylight hours and
was looking around and it is absolutely gorgeous, and I
had kind of interesting encounter with an insect that it's
like large butterfly was like flying in front of my

(01:09:41):
face and I just like wanted to like get my attention,
and I almost felt like it was smiling at me,
if that makes sense. It's, you know, a butterfly. But
then it's interesting, like kind of preparing for the show,
I realized that there's different kinds and different layers of memory.
And there's kind of the visual memory that is purely

(01:10:02):
you know, the visual input that you had, and then
there's kind of the narrative memory, which is like how
your brain like makes sense of the visual input. And
my narrative memory is like I said that I encountered
this butterfly, But when I closed my eyes and try
to access the visual memory, it doesn't really look like
a butterfly anymore. Honestly, it looks more like, you know,

(01:10:26):
how like fairies are classically described it, and it felt
intelligent and it felt it wanted to have some kind
of interaction with me, which you know, is unusual, I
think for an insect. And it was certainly quite large,
much larger than most butterflies that I'm used to seeing.
And this was over twelve thousand feet in elevation, so

(01:10:46):
and this was at the end of the dry season too,
so there weren't really any flowers. I don't know what
this butterfly would have been sustaining itself on. I mean,
it was pretty dry and bearing when I went, but
it gets pretty lush after the rains that they have
their seasonally. So anyway, I kind of just, you know,
brush that aside is I think we do most things
that we can make some sort of logical explanation for.

(01:11:10):
And I got about setting my camp site up very
I had a small, like one person tent, and I
picked a spot next to a watering hole there that
was used by the cows from a local ranch. And
then nightfall came and things got a lot more bizarre.
I started hearing what I could only describe as heavy

(01:11:34):
artillery just booming, and I could not figure out for
the life of me what it was. I tried to,
like get up on a cliff side to kind of
look out over the valley to see if I could
see even below. The valleys are all inhabited below, and
I'm thinking maybe I don't know if there's like some
type of mining operation or if there's like a military

(01:11:56):
base nearby. But it was pretty intense. Then as I'm
out there trying to figure it out outside of my tent,
these things started swooping down and buzzing the top of
my head, things that I can only assume to have
been like kind of medium sized birds, although I couldn't
make them out it was so dark, and they sounded

(01:12:19):
like fighter jet coming down and swooping, buzzing my head,
and I was just like, so, it's still confusing to
think about it. It's something I haven't really told people
because it sounds so all of it sounds so ludicrous.
But it happened, and it was really weird, and I
got the distinct impression that whatever this was wanted me

(01:12:40):
out of there. But I was so exhausted from the
trek up and I had basically run out of water too,
because I miscalculated, And all the pictures I saw of
this place online made it look like this lush, this
lush place with all these ponds that I could filter
water from. When I got there at the end of

(01:13:01):
the dry season, those were basically down to like these
little green, disgusting puddles that I had to try to
run through my filters and basically clogged on my filters.
So I was, you know, maybe suffering from altitude sickness.
I know that, you know, there's delirium and whatnot that
can be associated with that, but I mean, I definitely

(01:13:21):
I would not say that I hallucinated these experiences. They're
very very clear, and I think under normal circumstances, I
probably would have been frightened enough to actually pack up
and just go back down the mountain to the little
village below, and you know, checked back into the little
hotel that I had stayed at the night before. But

(01:13:42):
I was just so tired and exhausted that I just
was like kind of in my head like whatever you are,
if I've offended you, I'm sorry, but I needed I
had just crawled back in my tent and all this
kind of booming and whatnot continued that I just I
passed out. I was so tired, and I woke up
morning and everything was normal, But yeah, that was That's

(01:14:03):
one of the ones that's like, you know, seeing the
lights above the hill. That kind of falls into the
quote unquote normal category of you know, things people see
and experience. But again, I never really heard of anyone
experiencing anything like this. I don't know what kind of
bird or bat or whatever can produce a noise like
a fighter jet as it's coming down at you, and

(01:14:25):
I could steal it, you know, kind of. I don't
know if it was physically brushing my hair or just
the air from it was, but I could steel it
on the top of my head. They're coming down that
close to me. It was really weird.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
It's really weird interesting stuff, you know. I do tell
people that for all the experiences that that very very bizarre,
a lot of people kind of push pushed them aside
a bit, you know, and they put them in the
bottom of a drawer and forget about it, because I mean,
obviously some things are more acceptable than others. But you know,
I'm glad that you you shared that, because there's plenty

(01:14:58):
of people out there which have had some equally bizarre
experiences and they don't they even don't help people these
ones because they're so hard to accept even for themselves.

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
Yeah, yeah, it's true. You know, I like never talk
about that geometrical object I saw about Lake Mission GEO
because it's just it's just it doesn't even fall into
like that normal UFO category, Like I don't even know,
people are just going to think I'm making stuff up.
But but yeah, I mean I thought people have just
been so honest and open on your show, and it

(01:15:28):
just really inspired me to do the same because I think,
you know, we all deserve to know. And you know,
you could take it all over the grain of salt obviously,
you know, our our minds, our senses, they're all able
to be manipulated. It's easy to confuse one thing for another,
and you know whatnot you know, I am, I would say,

(01:15:48):
overall logically minded person. I believe in science and empirical evidence,
but I also know that there's just so many things
out there that all so far beyond the payof all that.
You know, it's just easy to just wipe under the rug,
like you said, sweep under the rug. But I think
it's important. I think the work you're doing here is

(01:16:09):
really important. I think the more people share, at the
very least, it'll bring people's solace who have had similar
experiences and say, Okay, I know I'm not crazy, you know,
But also I think listening to your shows kind of
help open my mind up. I think that although I
thought of myself as being open minded, I hearing a
lot of the stories on there, I'm like, maybe I'm

(01:16:30):
not as open mind as I as I think, but
because my mind was to reject this, but I believe that,
you know, and that's what I realized is most most people.
I mean, yeah, there are wires out there, there are
people who you know, have questionable levels of sanity, who
may or may not be fabricating things or seeing things
that aren't there. But I think most people are really

(01:16:52):
being honest. And I think the more that we can
be honest with ourselves and as a society, I think
it's just really important for us moving forward, because you know,
a lot of people have been talking about disclosure and
you know what's going to come, and you know, is
all this going to be revealed to us? And you know,
people like, well, it would cause a collapse the government

(01:17:12):
and religion, all these things, and then other people say, well,
you know, I think I think we're maturned off to
handle it. But the more I kind of think about it,
the more I realized that, I think to really have
a full disclosure, I mean, even if there's something someone
out there that really actually knows everything, which is doubtful
and of itself, to really have a full disclosure, I

(01:17:32):
think would be so sort of and typical what's the word,
would be the opposite, complete opposite of our entire worldview
in so many ways that I think it would drive
a lot of people insane. And there's probably if there
are people out there that have information that they're withholding
from us, they might not be as nefarious as we

(01:17:54):
might like to believe. I mean, I think if we
really truly understood the true nature of our reality, we
would realize that what we think of our reality is
a complete construct that we've kind of made up for
ourselves to make us feel better about how union, you know,
kind of feeble our minds actually are when compared to

(01:18:16):
the vastness of what's out there.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
So, yeah, and I think that's something people have to
accept for sure. Yeah, you have to understand that what
we actually know is, like you said, it is very limited.
There are places all over the world, you know that
the places you visited, which which are mysterious and strange
places all the way from the national parks in America
to the to the forest of Southeast Asia. You know,

(01:18:41):
these there's these strange experiences and people that encounters, people
go missing, strange beings are scene. So these places are
all over the world and a lot of these places
have been mentioned, whether it's the Aboriginal ancient tribes of
the area, you know, they all have these stories of
these these creatures and experiences and god like god likeing counter.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
Yeah, And I think that we it's important to I
don't know, I think that are kind of human nature,
or at least the nature of our current cultural society
is that we want to put everything into a box.
We want everything to kind of be neatly and logically
organized and you know, able to be made sense of.

(01:19:21):
And I think we're going to have to kind of
move beyond that if if we're going to really be
able to deal with the full scope of reality. And
you know, it does seem that we are moving more
in a direction of maybe more will be revealed, and
I think it's definitely going to shake things up in
ways people aren't prepared for. So I think that most

(01:19:43):
people can do is just kind of prepare themselves spiritually, mentally,
physically to kind of deal with whatever might come because
it's a mystery, and I think it's probably a mystery
for a reason, and once that mystery becomes more kind
of apparent, it's going to be pretty shocking, I think
for a lot of people. And I think a lot

(01:20:04):
of people are going to want to still kind of
fit it within the existing boxes that they have, whether
they're religion or you know, whatever kind of preconceived notions
they have of reality. And I think it's just kind
of important to have some sort of mental flexibility that
if what you think is real turns out to be
totally not real, then you're going to have to deal

(01:20:24):
with that in a way that's not going to lead
to your you know, mental and emotional breakdown, because it's
someone who has kind of had his reality flipped on
its head. Like I said, I was raised very religious,
and when I was eighteen, I kind of went through
a series of epiphanies that basically had me reject all
sort of religious dogma and that was really really hard.

(01:20:45):
I went through a long, years long phase of my
life where I wasn't okay, and a lot of it,
I think was just the fact that my whole worldview
would be flipped on its head. You know. It's like
when that happens, you don't know how to pick up
the pieces kind of reassemble something that makes sense, you know.
I know it can be really hard. So I think

(01:21:07):
I think this is a good way for people to
kind of open their minds and maybe prepare for, you know,
being exposed to things that they might not want to
be exposed to or might not think it would ever
be possible. It could be very jarring.

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
Good stuff was wise words, Steven.

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
So I appreciate you having me on and sorry, I
kind of jumped around a little bit. I told myself
i'd have everything lined out notes, but honestly, I think
it was better to kind of went off the cuffs,
and I didn't want to be robotic.

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
I say to people, we know, if you can have
in chronic law order, but at the end of the day,
a lot of these experiences they don't come within that framework,
you know. Yeah, so it is very diffult. I only
say that really as a guide, but I don't expect
really see people to do that. Just that's what I
like things. It should be as natural as possible.

Speaker 1 (01:21:53):
I felt like your podcast was, you know, worthy of it.
You don't sensationalize, you're not trying to put words in
people's mouth, and I really appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
Yeah, I don't have an agenda. You know, some channels
and some shows they do have a bit of an agenda.
I try and avoid that completely.

Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
So I appreciate what you're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
Yeah, I try. Yeah, I mean I don't. I don't
bring people on here to pick holes because at the
end of the day, Stephen, I wasn't there, so so
it's so easy for people to say, oh, what you
saw was this? So they're not there. It's as simple
as that they're not there. Of course, people can be complex,
you know, people can make up stories for whatever whatever reason.
On this show, I don't really have big names so

(01:22:32):
much on here. It's just everyday people. And so for
someone to want to come on and really lie when
they're not getting any no financial benefit, not getting starred
about of this, and a lot of times people use
a this is in any case, So what would be
the point it wouldn't you know, it wouldn't be making
sound like I can't speak for everyone. I can't say
that nobody has lied on this show, because that would
be so easy to say that. But I don't bring

(01:22:54):
people on here to pick holes.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
Well I hope some of them are because some of
the stories are so disturbing.

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
I give you a nightmares. Yeah, oh yeah, and I've
got more like that. I've got more, And as long
as the longer I go on the stranger, some of
them get, you know, the strangers. I've had some very
strange ones I haven't released yet. But I'm actually quite
I think I'm immune because obviously I do this every day,

(01:23:19):
so I hear so many accounts constantly. Yeah, so you
name it, I've heard it, and not every episode. Now,
I get a lot of emails. I get a lot
of people which want to reach out to me just
to tell me. They don't want to come on the show,
they don't want it their account going anywhere. They just
want to tell me. So I have a lot of
things which I can you know, obviously, naturally I can't
release due to you know, people want to keep things

(01:23:40):
personal and that can also be ex military as well.
You know, they're in a situation where they saw something
but they don't want repercussions.

Speaker 1 (01:23:46):
Yeah, you know, and I've felt some trepidation too. It's
like I was kind of afraid, like what putting myself
out here like this it opens me up to, you know,
negativity that I don't want, either like psychic or actual
real physical like But at the end of the day,
like I got to put my fears aside, and you know,
I think the truth is more important than any of that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
I agree, No, I agree. A lot of people which
come back to me later on, they will say, you know, things,
Sometimes people they have some very very negative experiences. But
it's on both sides of spectrums. You know, people have
very negative some people are very positive ones. And people
that have had negative have come to me for two
three years later and said, you know, things have changed now,

(01:24:29):
things are different, They're not the same as it was before.
I kind of enjoy or you know, kind of welcome
an experience. So yeah, that is interesting. Very I don't
think ever I've had someone's normal experience turn negative. So
and I think a lot of that is to do
with people which have zero interested or don't know anything

(01:24:50):
about this subject whatsoever. And if they had these experiences
and then you have obviously you have trauma involved. They
have confusion, they don't know what's going on. They you know,
they think they're crazy. So I think a lot of
negative experience people have, not saying everyone has having no
negative experiences hasn't been positive in one way. I'm just
saying that. I think a lot of it is how
we've processed the experience.

Speaker 1 (01:25:11):
Yeah, and I agree, And that's kind of why I
wanted to see the owl Man. That was kind of
my working hypothesis. But maybe if I'm prepared to see
it and it won't be so scary. But yeah, I
haven't seen it, so.

Speaker 2 (01:25:25):
For me, Well, if you ever do pop out there
and do go on expedition trying to find the owl Man.

Speaker 1 (01:25:31):
Thank you and thanks for having me on. Nick. I
appreciate it. Keep doing what you're doing. If I have
any more strange encounters, I'll shoot you an email or
send you in one of those audio clips.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
Steve, and I really appreciate you coming on and sharing
it all for our listeners.

Speaker 1 (01:25:44):
Yeah, I appreciate you having me and appreciate your shove.
So I will. I'll keep listening and I'll keep watching.

Speaker 2 (01:25:49):
Keep watching the skies.

Speaker 1 (01:25:51):
You got it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:51):
You got it, Stephen. Great talking to you. Man, take
care and not talk soon.

Speaker 1 (01:25:54):
Thank you too.

Speaker 2 (01:25:56):
Take everyone. That is all for this week. Keep updated
and connect with a show on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram.
And if you have an encounter that you'd like to
share on the podcast, you can email me at UFO
Chronicles at gmail dot com or you can reach out
to me via the contact page on my website at
UFO Chronicles podcast dot com. A big fang it to

(01:26:18):
Stephen for sharing tonight and as always, thank you all
for listening. I will be back next week. Till then,
stay safe and keep watching us guys. Goodbye to

Speaker 1 (01:27:25):
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