Ep.196 Plasma Sphere (Throwback)

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We're joined by Matthew from the state of Texas tonight, and at 13 years old he witnessed a sphere made of plasma close enough to make out its features. And this encounter with Matthew compelled him to seek an explanation using theoretical physics.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
You'll be away five seventeen. Do you want to report
a UFO it?

Speaker 2 (00:05):
We don't want to.

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Report every thirty one. Do you wish to report a
UFO over Hey, we want to one of those areas
thirty one. Do you wish to find a report of
any kind of it?

Speaker 2 (00:18):
I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Time areas thirty one me neither. There were seven one golf.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
If it was anybody as above us to pass us,
Like thirty.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Seconds ago, we were sending one top of golf negative, okay,
off fi the UFO. Yeah it's murder ten nine o'clock. Yes,
I'll just passed over.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
I go.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
I don't know what it was, but it's from at
least to three thousand feet above us.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
See, I passed out over the top of us ninety
one one. Guy, you just called up to me? Be
four rest. They're after staying the airplanes, he.

Speaker 4 (01:02):
I sear to God more calm in on an unidentify
object every liberty four call or calm on an unidentified
flying object.

Speaker 5 (01:13):
A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share
their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had
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You can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com.

(01:48):
Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. Wherever in the
world you are listening from, I hope you all are
enjoying your week. I'm Nick Canter and this is the
UFO Chronicles podcast. We are joined by Matthew from the
state of Texas. Tonight and at thirteen years old, he
witnessed a sphere that was made of plasma close enough

(02:10):
to make out its features, and this encounter Matthew had
compelled him to seek an explanation using theoretical physics. Matthew
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Speaker 6 (02:47):
Now on with the show.

Speaker 5 (03:04):
Hello Matthew, Welcome, to the podcast.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Thank you, thanks for having me on.

Speaker 5 (03:09):
You're more than welcome. It's great to have you join
us today. And you're calling from the lone Star state
of Texas.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yes, sir, Yes, sir, Born and raised.

Speaker 5 (03:18):
Born and raised the state where everything's bigger.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yes, sir. Including all of my experiences growing up here
and moving off to different parts of the country, I
would say that all the snakes and spiders and insects
are bigger in Texas at the very least wonderful.

Speaker 5 (03:37):
Now, Matthew, your experience occurred in nineteen ninety two. Would
you like to start a beginning.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Please, Yes, sir. I believe that I was thirteen or
fourteen at the time. I know it was during the
summer because I wasn't in school and I was up
late talking to a girlfriend at the time. And the
first thing that I could really take note about the

(04:05):
whole night was that it was it was like an
electrical storm was brewing, but not quite happening. There were
low lying clouds like fog almost but above where fog
usually rests on the ground is about forty feet up

(04:26):
in the air, and just like a solid layer of
moving clouds. I guess from experience like in sections with
electrical storms. I had been told in the past to
get off the phone. Back in the day before we
had cell phones, so all the phones were connected to
wires to the wall, to our ears, and so I

(04:49):
was just out of an air of caution. I decided
that I would get off the phone because it looked
like the weather might get back. Mind you, there's no
there's no thunder. It just kind of looks spooky outside.
I got off the phone. I remember kind of pacing

(05:10):
around my room for a second, and I looked out
my window and pretty much in the center of my perspective,
looking out of the window, I saw this green ball
of light rise up off the horizon to right underneath

(05:32):
the cloud line that was passing and stopped. When it stopped,
it stopped perfectly. There was no stabilization, and I guess
this is the moment Like that, my stomach kind of
started twisting and I felt really uncomfortable looking at what

(05:53):
I was looking at. As soon as the thing stopped
it I started flashing violently. It's the only way I
can describe it. It flashed quicker than anything I've ever
seen in my life. It went from deep blue to
deep red and hit every color in the visible spectrum

(06:17):
in between that just lightning pace. It landed on green again,
like it stopped on green. This all took maybe six
seconds or so. When it landed on green, I stared
at it for another couple of seconds, and then something
happened and it like blipped out. I could tell you

(06:41):
that something in that split second where it just disappeared
right in front of my eyes, that there's missing information
there that I didn't. I perceive like it moved instead
of just disappearing, but I it for all intents and purposes,
it looks like it just disappears. I literally ran into

(07:03):
my mom's room shrieking about the end of the world
and the apocalypse. I'm like, Mom, it's a horseman. I
just saw the horsemen of the apocalypse at the end
of the world. Sometimes I don't remember, you know, I
had a pretty good imagination, but like I knew what
I had seen I should not have seen. My mom
told me, well, why don't you call the police?

Speaker 1 (07:23):
So I did. I called the police.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
I was like a kid, and I don't know exactly
what I was yammering over the phone, but it was
something to the nature of you know, y'all need to
come check this out. I just saw something out here.
It definitely wasn't right. You know, these the dispatchers basically,
you know, listening to my entire story.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
And then she takes a breath and she's like, you know,
there's a a lot.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Of transformer explosions whenever there's electrical activity. It sounds like
you might have seen a transformer explode. I'm a kid,
I don't know much about plasma science or electricity, so.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
I just I tak her word for it.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Cool. I was still freaked out and still kind of questioning,
like what I had seen. So I called my girlfriend
back and I start telling her. I'm like, yo, she
lived about a mile and a half away from me,
and while I'm talking to her, I'm like, explain what

(08:25):
I saw. And she's like, well, what did it look like?
And then all of a sudden, all the clouds, all
those little lying clouds, turned to green again. I didn't
see the object, but the sky was green. And I
told her, I'm like, hey, look at your window right now,
what do you see. I didn't tell her what to

(08:46):
look for. I just told her, you know, look out,
what do you see, and her response to me was, Oh,
my god, why is the sky green? This was the
only verification I guess that I and at least I
knew in my own mind that part of the experience
like had actually happened that someone else was verifying there's

(09:08):
green light.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
In this sky.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Cool. I kind of cataloged it in the back of
my mind to be something that was just unexplainable. There
are plenty of unexplainable things in the world. There's mysteries everywhere.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
No big deal. And notably, I also didn't believe.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
In flying saucers, Like if I would see pictures of
flying saucers or hear people talk about them, like that
is pretty hokey. That doesn't seem real. And it seemed
completely removed from.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
The thing I saw.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
I thought it was either ball lightning or if it
were some type of you know, non human intelligence that
basically their UFOs looked completely different than you know, this
flying sauce.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Of craft that I've been said.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Flash forward, And I guess there's something to be said
for the amount of mistrust that it really did kind
of foster against the government and against people in positions
of authority who are telling me things that are a
certain way. I started to recognize that if I had

(10:22):
seen ball lightning, that even that there was no physical,
scientific mechanism for ball lightning, that ball lightning was still
a mystery that you know, as much as we've done
with the standard model and with chemistry, and you know,
we have a lot of science mapped out, but this

(10:44):
phenomenon that had been reported for hundreds of years at
least had no mechanism. We do not understand how ball
lightning could exist. So it kind of it kind of
put me in a position where when I'd hear people
talk about UFOs from a particular perspective, I would I

(11:04):
would think, you know, okay, yeah, sure, there's not any
really good footage of UFOs, but there's still not any
good footage of this thing I saw, which I presume
was still ball lightning. And you know, as a you
just you'd think that scientists would have gotten to the

(11:25):
bottom of it, say okay, well, this is not a UFO,
this is an actual phenomenon. Let's get some footage of it.
Let's uh, you know, put it under some measuring devices
and figure out exactly what's going on. Well we haven't
done that, so I started kind of wondering about the
the other things that you know, flying saucers. Okay, we

(11:45):
don't have any good pictures of them, it doesn't necessarily
mean anything. When all of the tic TAC stuff started happening,
I guess not that I was like in any privy
circles at the time, but I start kind of hearing
about the minutes thing back around twenty twelve, and there
were no videos of it. It was just like people

(12:09):
who I guess had been on the aircraft carrier who
were talking, you know, and rumors are getting out. And
then I start hearing that the government is interested in
these things that, you know, despite everything I had been
told about it just being a hoax, that you know,
the most powerful government in the world is investing money
into this. It's like, okay, something something might be to it.

(12:34):
I really did kind of an inward quest and then
started trying to understand what I could about just fundamental
physics to create a mechanism for ball lightning.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
Because in my mind, like, if if I.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Could prove that human nature could create this thing that
I saw, you know, that would be it that I
could dismiss any more conspiratal ideas pretty easily if we
could say, okay, this is how ball lightnings created. It
happens to be a you know, ball of plasma that
looks like this. This is how it can behave the specifically,

(13:16):
the way that this object rose off the horizon then
just stopped right underneath the clouds made me think, like,
it looks like the way magnets interact with superconductors. It's
not any different, you know, so far as the stabilization
or the lack thereof. And so in my mind, whatever

(13:38):
that object was, it was either exploiting natural processes or
it just was a natural process. The actual details that
I think matter here that I've struggled. Honestly, I just
wanted this information to get out to a scientist who
was interested, who knew what they were looking for. Because

(14:02):
the color of light is significant. Why would it be
green under certain circumstances? Why did it flash? Why is
it only flashing in the visible spectrum. There's all kinds
of light, you know, outside of the visible spectrum. Why
was this thing purely flashing between the visible spectrum? It

(14:24):
just it seems like something worthy of scientific exploration. And
I thought, you know, again, just assuming that all of
this is a natural process. This would be the coolest
firework I'd ever seen. Like if someone pulled out one
of these things for their grand finale at a fireworks show,
is game over for everyone else who's ever made a firework.

(14:47):
Is thing looked like cgi. I would imagine that it
was about four hundred feet away or so if I
were to hold a quarter about a foot away from
my face, that was the size of it, like apparently
to me, I have no idea how actually big it was.

(15:10):
But the light from it.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
Lit up all the clouds.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
It caused shadows in my room, and I remember, like
the green light, these green photons that are coming from
this object are in.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
My room hitting me so.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Like it's it's interacting with me, and I can't help.
I guess I can't help from a bird's eye view
to wonder how much of it really seemed manicured for
my perception. I don't like to think of things that way.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
I guess just the chances of seeing something like that
to begin with seems so astronomical. It's placement in my
window seemed astronomy, like it was centered almost right. All
those things I can buy is just being coincidental, like I.
You know, when it comes down to it, I had

(16:10):
this experience which has guided a lot of my life
decisions in my life path, and you know, made me,
I guess, skeptical of particular things in life that not
everyone skeptical of. I think that the science here is
the only part that's important. Like I, if we were

(16:33):
being visited by non human intelligence, like I can accept that.
I think that's definitely paradigm shifting, But I'm kind of
already under the impression we're not on the universe. That's
not that big a deal. If they have technology though,
that can manipulate time or manipulate space like that is important.

(16:54):
Just the understanding of any of the processes that lead
to that science could build this a better MRI, or
you know, things that we haven't imagined yet. So my
interests has always been the science. This thing looked like
I never saw a solid shape in it. It was

(17:19):
like a It looked it looked like a star, like
a just of all of plasma. The reason that I
think that it was spherical and not like a flat
surface circular surface aimed towards me is because the the
center seemed magnified, like the whole thing is it rose

(17:42):
from the ground. It seemed like the outside was this
bright corona of green plasma, and it was like electric,
like so bright the center of this mass. The closer
you got to the center, it got dark green, like

(18:03):
a strange dark shade of green that I could almost
swear to you seem to move depending on how my
head swayed. Like It's real hard to describe. If you
had a magnifying glass and you put it on beam
of light hitting a table, it's kind of like what

(18:26):
you'd see.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
It just looks like light that was.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Being magnified, the flashing when it started flashing. I still
to the day have never seen anything flash that fast,
albeit from a few YouTube videos here and there. You know,
there's quite a few resources out there now, people who
are just archiving other people's footage and not that there's

(18:53):
nothing out there that's, you know, magnificent footage. But I
still haven't seen the thing that I saw growing up.
I've seen things that are similar. I've seen balls of
light that seem to be flashing in that same kind
of pace, extremely fast pace. And I wonder like, because

(19:18):
a lot of the reports that I've taken notice to
have been about a bright yellow orange orb. I wonder
if maybe this is the result of flashing back and
forth between the red and the blue on the visible spectrum,
and just the intensity of that that back and forth

(19:41):
would create like a net output of yellow like which
is kind of kind of in the center between.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
Red and blue on the visible spectrum. I think that.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
This entire subject is being basically hidden from a because
it is accessible. I there's something that you know, I've
heard for Jeremy Corbel say a couple of times, like,
you know this this technology is ten thousand, possibly one

(20:13):
hundred thousand years in the future. I don't think that's
the case. I believe that that's in fact the exact
reason that we're not being shared footage that would scare us,
because I know they have it. But it's because just
watching the behavior of these objects can lead us to

(20:34):
very accessible terrestrial science. And I think that's what they're
they're more or less trying to keep from people. Is
that watching the way these things move, watching things that
make physicists say something's not right here, they're all clues.
It's clues to how you would attain science like that.

(20:57):
And I guess at the bottom of it that this
is what's bothered me about the whole scenario is that
I have a good idea of some of the footage
that they have that they're not releasing, and there's only
so many reasons that they can cite for not sharing
it with people. I think on the top of that

(21:18):
would be not wanting homegrown terrorists or you know, other
adversaries to come up with it first. But if everyone
in the world has that attitude, then you know, it's
basically like we're stockpiling for another giant Cold War and

(21:40):
the science here is all that really matters. Like, I
do believe that we have long since probably figured out
what they're using as weapons. It's not too much of
a stretch from any type of destructive wave youth. I mean, like,
I don't think that we're at a point where we

(22:00):
can say safe for everyone to just have access to
all of the information that's out there. But I based
that on my family's reactions to these things, you know,
and I've I'll mention it my couple of years ago,
when all this stuff got into the news, I asked

(22:24):
my aunt, who's she's aging, and she's very fundamental Christian,
whatever and I said, what do you think of all
this stuff in the news man? You know, you hear
about the navy saying the UFOs exist. And she put
her drink down and she said, you know, Matthew, I'll

(22:45):
tell you if those things are real, they're imps from
the devil. And that was all she said about it.
And she was one hundred percent serious. She would rather
believe that this is it's like a religious war, and
if aliens are real, those are the demons. I believe
in a God, but I don't believe in like a

(23:09):
physical guy in the sky.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
It's like more like a like a source.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
You know, like a source of all the information that
created life and reality. That seems to be a thing
and no matter you know who or what kind of
creature you are, that thing would still basically have reverence
over existence. So, you know, I don't have any problems
like saying that God exists and aliens exist. There's no

(23:36):
there's no.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Big issues with that.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
But I see how, especially the older generations seem to
seem to run with this when that it's like a
holly war in times like you've got to be on
the side of you know, God. It just seems real
odd to me that at this point we're in a

(23:59):
battle that everyone can agree this is something that we
need to put attention on, this is something we need
to get to the bottom of, and yet we still
find other things that are of non importance to fight
and bicker over. I hope that within my lifetime we're
going to see a big change, but I guess I

(24:21):
would I would want our government to.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
Know that we're we're aware of.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Being lied to, and it doesn't really help any of
the other areas of authority to uh well, hy to people.
So I would like to get to the bottom of
the science. I would like to see scientists actually curious
about this, and not from not from the public's perspective

(24:48):
where we're being shown these small clips of nothing extraordinary,
but for them to be well informed, be given the
actual information so that they can move forward with some
theories that might put us forward on everything else. You know,
our standard model, our understanding of gravity, our understanding of

(25:10):
quant mechanics. It seems real odd to me that we're
basically in a conundrum with our understanding of all those subjects,
and we have these objects moving around the sky that
seem to behave like quantum objects do seem to observe
some of the same rules that we see observed on

(25:34):
quantum systems.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
You know.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
That's again just to kind of bring it home. That's
why I think this science is accessible, and why we're
not being given even any evidence of the five observables
in anything officially released the DoD, Like the thing they
did in the hearing where they spent four minutes to

(26:01):
go over a clip that they knew, damn well only
had two frames of a blurry object in it, when
we all know that they have extravagant footage that people
are going to, you know, make the claim that it's
cgi when it's released and we know better. So I
don't appreciate the patronizing that they're doing to the public,

(26:23):
Like even after the cast out of the bag, like
we all know there's something there to investigate and lo
and behold this thing that I saw as a kid
that I reserved to be probably atmospheric anomalies. They're not
even showing footage of that, and that seems to me
that would be the perfect thing to show people, like, look,

(26:45):
this thing looks really scary.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
Look at it.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
It's a ball of plasma looks really scary life.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
That's the whole sky.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
But it's nothing to worry about. It's just ball lightning.
It's been around forever. It's explainable. We know what it is,
but noticeably, that's not what's happening. So I think that
all of the secrecy is surrounding the idea that this
technology is so far advanced. We just we don't have

(27:12):
any clue, you know, how to do it or what
it's about.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
I don't buy that at all.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
I see videos of things stopping in mid air against
the wind, or taking off at breakneck speeds without any stabilization.
That's evidence I can see it. So I guess I
just want to details.

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Speaker 2 (28:51):
The resources that I have found the most compelling recently
are just some of the random YouTube archives The only
Real UFOs does a good job of just kind of
you know, orbs in the sky things at Fly, Strange
Speeds whatever. Ies on Cinema has recently started releasing an

(29:13):
archive of older UFO witnesses, and I find those to
be some of the most compelling because people's sincerity seems
way more readable in the sixties and seventies, like you
could see little twinges of madness, but it was from

(29:38):
a sincere reaction, I guess. Now it just seems way harder,
especially with people who are trained in misinformation. I just
I would assume that we're in a place where we
were past all that.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
I don't know. I don't know how they would.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Assume that the details that can't be kept aren't going
to lead the public to the understanding that the government's
keeping from people. It makes any sense, Well, we are.

Speaker 5 (30:09):
The little people, you know, the I wouldn't expect any
revelations coming out of the government or coming out of
the hearings.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
For sure.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
And I guess it's not that I expected them to,
you know, and just come out with it, but watching
you know, my authorities, my leaders telling me that they
don't know about the Renderson Forest, they don't know about,
you know, particular events that they want to spend time

(30:41):
in an open hearing, like fast forwarding and trying to
freeze frame something that they do know better, they know better,
and to think that this really is going to sum
it up for people like I understand the exercise they
were trying to do by putting everyone through that, and
there's something be said for it. But the thing to

(31:02):
be said for it is that these objects are very
very likely manipulating time somehow, like there's you can say
what you want about, you know, something that moves from
a stands still to mocks five and how it would
you know, it's splatter anyone in there. Well, if they're

(31:24):
technically moving at normal speeds but time is moving different,
then that would explain why they're not splattered and why
we observe them to move in this strange way. And
you know, you kind of look at some of the
fundamentals of the mysterious physics, the part of physics that

(31:46):
we don't have a good grasp on. Like we understand
that heavy mass high mass equals you know, gravity, and
that gravity higher gravity generally means that time is also
being dilated. So if these things are capable of manipulating mass,

(32:09):
then it would explain like some of these metal exhausts
that keep you know, being reported. I could see a
mode of transportation that involves acquiring and exhausting heavy mass
in order to manipulate time and gravity. Instead of a

(32:31):
propulsion where you're pushing yourself along, it's like you're pulling
yourself towards field.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
And then that would also.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
Explain some of the strange movement that we see where
some of these things appear to wobble. Some of these
things appear to surf, and I think that it's more
likely that the perfect vehicle in the universe would be
made of something that allows you to ride the natural

(33:05):
currents of the universe as opposed to pushing yourself through it.
And you know, all the energy expended from getting from
point A to point B using chemical combustion, it's probably
probably the least efficient way to get somewhere. And I'm

(33:26):
you know, I think that we have the wrong idea
when we say that, you know, a UFO is a
little craft with someone piloting. It's got a pilot stick
and they go, you know, they point it this way
to go that way. I don't think that's what's going on.
And I'm not even certain that the tic TACs are
shaped like a tic tac. I'm I've been trying to

(33:50):
get some details from that whole experience because I've seen
where in some of the detailed animations they have these strange,
little like rudders on the bottom of the tic tac.
I don't know if that's an animator having a creative liberty,

(34:11):
or if that's something a detail that was actually you know,
in the original experience that they just I haven't seen
any of the witnesses described, but it's an important detail
because if it wasn't there, if this thing is literally
just a solid use a lot like, you know, a

(34:32):
solid tic tac looking object, then in my mind and
in theory, it could be just a ball, just like
a spear, that is moving back and forth really fast,
and because it moves so quickly, we would just perceive
it as a you know, as a different shape. I

(34:55):
think that that's a lot of what's going on with
these sightings is that we're seeing something that looks like
magic because it's using elements of science that are still
mysterious to us. You know, it's it's not magic, and
I have to think that the mechanisms are accessible. It's

(35:17):
not something like you have to think like how much
brain power does it take to problem solve any particular issue,
And if you had in front of you, if someone said, okay,
here's this object, this is how it behaves, figure out
how it behaves. That way, I can't imagine any problem

(35:43):
that would take ten thousand years or one hundred thousand
years to solve. If you have all the clues and
all the everything, you need to start extrapolating or coming
up with, you know, ideas, And I think a lot
of this is just going to be taking ideas that
we're familiar with out of context and putting it in

(36:05):
new context and saying, well does that work. The fact
that there are so many different shapes to these objects
and that they're not even willing to share that with
the public is another kind of red flag to me.
It's like, maybe there's something to the shape's relationships to
each other. Maybe it is all the same craft or

(36:27):
the same group of crafts, and we kind of get
an idea of what kind of science it could be
using just by looking at the spectrum of shape. So
whether or not this is something that we need the
government's help to figure out, I don't believe that. I
think that, like the public is going to know the truth.
This is a part of nature one way or the other,

(36:50):
and it's not. You know, no government can contain nature.
So they're going to have to do better damage control
than what they're doing to avoid the situation where no
one wants to listen to anything they have to say
because you know, you lied about things that could have
given us better medicine for forty years. So I would

(37:12):
tell people to be vigilant in trying to understand it,
because I think it's accessible. I think that it's the
type of thing that with the right group of understandings
and a little bit of resource that we could we
could change the whole scenario overnight, especially with resources like

(37:37):
the Internet, where an idea can no longer be contained
just because you know, someone feels that it's in the
best interests of national security or whatever to remove it.
And I'll mention that I do take note to the
types of videos that are removed from YouTube and Twitter,

(37:58):
because it all, it always seems to be balls of plasma,
strange cubes, and actual motion of these objects, like these
things either stopping or accelerating from nothing. Those are the
videos that get removed. And then you know, I can't
prove this person of that person or organization is what's

(38:22):
removing them. But I see because I've I've started to
take notice enough to you know, if I see something
that I have an idea is going to get removed
or go ahead and screenshot it or screen recorded, and
I go back and check on it in a few days,
and sure enough, the types of things that I've developed

(38:43):
an intuition that, Okay, this is something that they don't
want people to see. Those are indeed the things that
are getting removed. So it's more about the behavior of
these things, not just their existence. It's like the details
in the way they act is information. And I think
that they're probably more worried about their adversaries having an

(39:06):
upper hand and they are us figuring it out, but
us figuring it out before they're willing to acknowledge it
is going to be a much bigger disaster than their
adversaries having a leg up, because you know, no one's
going to pull this technology out until they're you know,
they feel like it's the the existential threat of you know,

(39:30):
all human history, so it'll be too late. I just
I really feel like the best route through this is
just to start trying to absorb the science that can
be absorbed. Processes that we witness that we know could
relate to this particular molecular process or this particular electromagnetic process.

(39:55):
Like I think that all of those things are very
accessible and the part that they're keeping from us is
probably probably has nothing to do with that.

Speaker 5 (40:06):
So you're absolutely right, you know, it's excuse the pun,
but the it's the details that is important, that will
shed light on, you know, more of the answers on
the subject. You know, they are keeping stuff from us.
They always have done, and it's always for their own benefit,
not us people. You know, it never is. So I'd

(40:27):
never expect any information to really come out that's going
to benefit us anytime soon. I just don't think it
will happen. I was, I was cynical before that, all
the hearings and when all this is, you know, all
this information was coming out, I knew how it would end,
and it's that's exactly how it has done. Unfortunately, you know,
i'd i'd rather it wasn't like that. I'm not necessary

(40:48):
one to trust my government or your government, you know,
to be honest with you, they never they're never really
there for our benefit.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Right, Well, let me let me ask this because I'm
you know, oh, I was raised on a certain you know,
these are the fundamentals of our ethics and our morals
here in this country and this and that, and you know,
I liked to believe that growing up at a certain point,

(41:16):
like my feelings about country and you know, camaraderie and loyalty,
and honestly, look, it's probably all ruined by the football team,
the Houston Oilers, because when I was growing up, they
were my football team, and then at some point when

(41:37):
I was I think when I was a teenager, they
just up and moved. I think they were the first
football team to do that. They just say, you know what,
We're not the Houston Oilers anymore. Were like the Tennessee Oilers.
I don't even remember where they moved. And from that
day forward, I just didn't care about football, didn't care
about like.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Like, oh home team, screw those guys. But you know
I have I.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
Still reserve the idea that the government is an extension
of us. There's not a whole lot that they can
do without us. So if we say, look, you know,
here's a solution, here's a better way to think about this,

(42:25):
and we present them with a solution, the thing that
should happen, which is, you know, everyone on every all
of the sense gets together and says, Okay, maybe maybe
this is something we should all consider. It's attacked literally
from both angles now, and I guess when I was

(42:46):
growing up, I had this idea that there was conventional
science and then there was fringe science, and fringe science
wasn't allowed in because of all the wu wu and horseshit.
But that's that's how that's how science is developed, is
by people on the very exterior of it coming up

(43:07):
with some wacky ideas and saying, prove me wrong. I'm
seeing less of that. I'm seeing where the truly fringe
is something that has deviated so far from reasonable science that, like,
you know, things like flat earth exist now people actually

(43:29):
argue over something that you can mathematically prove if you
have a telescope and look at venus for a year.
You know, there's people out there who take this aversion
to science to the extreme. And I think that because
of that, it's put all the legacy scientists and the

(43:51):
people who are doing real, conventional but good science, it
puts them into position to attack the fringe even more.
And I feel myself, I have always felt myself, I'm
on that fringe of Okay, but what is ball lightning like?
Just tell me how ball lightning happens. Tell me how

(44:12):
plasma nucleates by itself stays self contained in an exact mass,
and amidst light goes through some type of energetic process like,
there's no mechanism for that, there's no photos of it
on the internet. I've reached out to a couple of

(44:34):
filmmakers about a place in Texas called Marfa, where there's
a phenomenon, pretty dependable phenomenon known as the Marfa Lights,
happens off the main highway that runs through there. I
was taken out there maybe about five years six years ago,

(44:55):
and we were just passing by about nine o'clock, and
the lady were wishes like, well, you know this mark
of life, they usually come out right about now. You
want to you want to check them out? Like, well, well,
sure you know, of course.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
So we pull over.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
We're there for about fifteen minutes, looking off into the desert,
and all of a sudden, these balls of light start
raising up off the horizon. They'll split, they'll interact with
each other. Some of them looked like they'd wobble and dance,
and then they'd just disappear and blip out. Now, the

(45:33):
official scientific explanation has been reflections from a like mirage,
like reflections from a little country road out in the
middle of the desert. The problem with that is these
lights have been reported since long before cars existed and
it's dependable. I was out there for fifteen minutes and like, oh,

(45:55):
there's a plasma ball, you know, rising off the earth. Now,
if it's just a ball of plasma caused by some
natural Earth process, then it seems like that would be
a top priority to just understand, categorize the very least.
But I can't find, for the last of me, any

(46:17):
conclusive study or anyone who's gone out there to actually,
you know, try and triangulate where these things are, and
you know, at the very least, just try to figure
out where they're originating from the other ones that I've
I've seen. There's actually a video on YouTube of another

(46:40):
phenomenon known as the hestel in lights. I think I'm
probably butchering that Norway I believe of H E. S.
S D A L E N. And there's footage of
these balls of plasma in daylight acting very strangely. And
I asked one of my friends who she her family

(47:03):
lives pretty close to there, and she says she had
never heard of it. This is not something they talk about.
But there's you know, I believe there's probably more hot
spots like this, and if it's if we could use
a message similar to the one that they used in
that recent documentary A tear in the sky, where they're
actually triangulating their observation. I think that that's invaluable, invaluable data.

(47:30):
I don't know of anything else that we could be
doing in light of, you know, big organized governments trying
to suppress particular information, But I think that that studying
balls of plasma is probably the probably the best thing,
that the best route we could go to get information

(47:53):
that isn't necessarily being suppressed, but it is most certainly
still going to lead to some of the same answers
for unexplained phenomenon. So I put my two cents in
for research on the Marpha lights because it is dependable
and it represents something similar to what I saw, which

(48:17):
in my mind represents new sign I mean, as you're right,
you know.

Speaker 5 (48:21):
Like the Martha lights. It's predictable.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
It's like clockwork.

Speaker 5 (48:24):
You're going you set, you set your clock by.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
It, right, and if it's been happening since before there
were headlights and that kind of it immediately causing to
question the official explanation. So I just don't like how
dismissive people are about things that we could study you know.

Speaker 5 (48:44):
Exactly. It's not just a one off, it's something they
can go then they can go there today, you know,
and they can spend a bit of time around there,
and they you know, they can fill their boots of data.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
I believe that we'll we're starting to witness people taken
interest and you know, man, pretty soon here, someone like
Elon Musk or someone who has the resource is going
to say, you know, I'm interested in I don't care
about a contract with anyone, and they're just going to

(49:15):
start making what they find out public.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
I don't like how.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
It seems like there is a paywall for secrets, considering
that we all know at this point that Tom DeLong
has access to at least what is being conjectured in
closed intelligence gatherings, Like he's privy to some of that information.
There are other people who, because you know, through credentials

(49:45):
or you know, through friends, they are also privy to
these conversations. When any irregular person talks to you know,
some a loved one about the subject, like, it's not
exactly like you can present them with, well this is
this is what's really going on. I'm I'm constantly in

(50:07):
this situation where I'm questioning my own perception of all
of this subject, and it's hard for me to say, well,
you know this is this is what they're debating, you know,
behind closed doors, when I know it is okay, It
doesn't doesn't make anyone special to know what's going on

(50:28):
behind closed doors. And I feel like that if.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
I were to have, you know, Robert Bigelow.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
Money and be willing to throw it at the subject,
that all of a sudden, I'd end up with a
bunch of crap on my lafe.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
It's like, okay, what do you want to do with this?

Speaker 2 (50:42):
We kind of all know that's how it worked. So
I think this science is going to lead us to
better medicines. It'll lead us to weapons where the idea
of gun control will be real far are from our minds,
you know. And I don't mean to be alarmist, but

(51:05):
I see the whole thing's futile because I know that
a day is coming where someone might be able to
turn some household you know, throwaway gadgets, you know, microwaves
and all TVs into a weapon that you know is untraceable,

(51:26):
where the bullets, you know, it's it's waves. So there's
no way to trace anything. And I'm certain this technology
is already being used, but the fact that it's not
something that's on the tip of everyone else's mind that Okay,
this is this is where we're at. This is what
the government's now using, and it's right around the corner

(51:50):
for us. Like if if a terrorist can't get guns,
but they know how to build something just as bad
and strap it to a drone like you know, well,
America has a real bad problem right now, and I
think it has more to do with our psyche and
our rejection from you know, society at large. It's like

(52:14):
people want to punish society back. And I'm concerned that
moving into an era with more accessible technology and more
accessible science, that you know, this stuff is going to
make things like guns obsolete, and then you know, we'll
have a bigger problem. I think that we're moving towards it,

(52:37):
so I would I would like in the future for
these conversations to be about the science that we have
figured out and the mysteries that we're still pointing towards. Okay, well,
does anyone have any good ideas of how we can
explore this science should be an open community, and I

(52:58):
know that it hurts people out there to have a
piece of information that is relevant to scientific pursuit that
gets dismissed because it's not accepted science. It's not even
accepted experience that you can have. So hopefully we've moved
past that and we're now to the part where we

(53:19):
can start really distinguishing, like what parts of these experiences
are relevant to our pursuits. So and then I think
work like this is great, and I'll you know, as
long as.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
You have a project here, I will support it, sir.

Speaker 5 (53:40):
I appreciate that, man, And that's exactly right. An example
would be, say a bigfoot sight in now you have
people which you know, believe bigfoots exist. You know, they're
just apes that Levana Wilderness and have them for a
long time. But those bigfoot researchers won't accept the fact
that there's sometimes lights strange orbs of lights that scene

(54:03):
that seem to go hand in hand with these bigfoot science.
So basically they dismiss all those lights because it doesn't
really form their beliefs.

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Speaker 2 (54:54):
Do you want to hear my grandpa's Bigfoot experience? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (54:58):
I would love to.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Okay, this is a story that was told to me
by my father, and then.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
My uncle corroborated.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Everything my dad said, and then I was shown a
photograph of something which I'll describe a photograph at the end.
But okay, So I suppose my grandpa he was, uh
he is. He is a drinker, and uh, you know,
he kind of had I guess, a comical relationship with

(55:31):
his booze all the way up until it just wasn't
comical anymore. But uh he evidently one night comes home
white is a ghost and sits down his chair. My
grandma takes notice to the fact that he's acting strangely.
She's like, you know, Richard, what's going on, what's wrong?

(55:53):
And he wouldn't talk to her.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
Which was real odd.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
Normally he is pretty talkative according to everyone, and everything
I remember about. Next day, she wakes up, he's still
in a chair, and he still won't talk, and she
gets real worried. So she calls my dad, my uncle,
and I think a couple of different family members something's
really wrong, and y'all, y'all come over here and talk

(56:19):
to him. So they get over there and they start
asking him, you know, what happened last night and this
and that, and they finally get him talking.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
He says, Look, he's like, I don't I.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
Don't want you to tell his wife, my grandma. I
don't want you to tell her about it.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
Just keep it to yourself. He's like, but.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
He's like, so last night I was I was drunk,
I was coming back home. Was on my way home,
coming off of Delaney Road, and he's like, I saw
this man parked up in the road about twenty feet
ahead of me.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
It's like, so I got out.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
It's like, I pulled up behind him. He was looking
at something in the road, so I pulled up behind
him and got out. It's like it's an old bike
man who lives on Delaney Road, and so he was
stopped and he says, have you ever seen that thing.
And my grandpa said he'd looked up and that there
was this big old monkey in the road that had

(57:23):
a calf in its arms and was eating out of
its stomach.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
He says that they both stared at it for.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
A second that it wouldn't pain him, no mind that
the man who.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
Had already pulled over had its headlights.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
On this thing like up in the road another twenty
or forty feet, and he said that all of a sudden,
this thing stopped and looked at him like you know,
he says, eye contact, Like they it looked at them,
dropped the calf where it was, and then ran into
the woods right And he.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Asked the dude.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
He's like, have you ever seen anything like that? And
then dude's like yeah, He's like, I live around here,
I've seen it a couple of times. And my grandpa
was like, well, what is it? And the man was like, well,
it's rumored that it was something that the government made
and they let us scae.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
I don't know what it is.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Basically, it's just a big skim monkey. So my grandpa
went home, was you know, stealing ill and dizzy, and
he was drunk and he didn't want to explain any
of this while he was drunk. Obviously, my grandma didn't
like him drinking, so him coming home with a wild

(58:40):
story on top of being drunk just wasn't the solution.
And basically, my uncle and my dad are hearing this
story and they're like, well, Richard, did you know we
could go out there and go back out to the
site and you know, see if there's anything there. There's
got to be at least a cow there, right. My
grandpa would not go back. He's like, you can go

(59:03):
out there, have fun. I'm never driving on that road again.
My grandpa was not a scared dude, and he wasn't
the type of dude certainly if he were scared to
brag about being scared. So this is like very unique,
and he kept his promise until the day he died.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
He never drove down that road again.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
My uncle and my dad went out there, like approximately
where he described, and they found the cast and they
took a picture of it. And this cast was the
picture shows a pretty twisted carcass or whatever that's relatively fresh,

(59:44):
has contents missing, okay, like you can tell it looks
like maybe it got hit by a car and so
you think, okay it you know, maybe it just got
hit by a car.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
My grandpa was pulling everyone's leg.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
But with all of the blood trail that there was
no like impact. It was just dripping blood like from
the side of the road and then back over to
the side of the road, so there were no like
flashes or impacts or whatever the in the blood pattern.

(01:00:20):
So anyways, it kind of corroborated like parts of the story,
and I took that, like, you know, based value for
what it's worse. Like my grandpa, you know, he was drunk,
but he wasn't a liar. He didn't want to tell
the story. I never got the story directly from him.

(01:00:41):
I heard him tell someone else the story from another room,
and then I got my dad and my uncle to
tell me separately, like from their perspective. But that was
down here in Texas and West Texas City off a
Delaney Road about been about fifty years ago. I don't know,

(01:01:03):
but according to him, the guy that was in front
of him had seen the thing before.

Speaker 5 (01:01:08):
So you know, that's pretty interesting. Yeah, so that's out
of Texas City, is it, yes, sir, so wet West Okay, Yeah,
I think I say it here, so back of any
fifty years ago that wouldn't be as built up as
it is now.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
Correct, And if you look, I don't know if you
if you're looking at a map, see down de Laney Road,
there is a megachurch going west from I forty five,
and then past that it's still pretty wooded. Okay, Like
you should be moving on Delaney Road from I forty
five towards either six forty six or Highway six.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
It's Highway six.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
In between there you should see a pretty significant patch
of woods that's still the same patch of woods. So
they haven't done a whole lot with that. You know,
I've driven down that road quite a bit and it
always felt kind of spooky to me, but like you know,
I just I've never had any place for that contextually.
Like I can't say that I don't believe in it

(01:02:10):
because of that that whole scenario. But at the same time,
like you know, I've never seen it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
I don't know that one.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
That one's pretty freaky. But like my uncle kind of
he told me that he.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
Thought that it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
He's like, you know, he's like, I think that it's
like that that Dean Kup's Movie Watchers like it's like
some kind of government experiment, like they they made like
a crazy like orangutang serial killer hybrid and then set
a loose or they got luth or something. I'm like,
you know, good as an explanation as any I don't know,

(01:02:47):
but I will say that I've started to put more
relevant on the idea of people witnessing strange creatures ever
since a lot of this information started coming out about
USO's landing and interacting with people, So I, you know,

(01:03:08):
who knows. I'm still in the sense as to what
we're looking at and whether it even represents something that
is off world. Like I'm kind of liking the idea
of divergent intelligence more and more like something that is
maybe just evolving on a different timescale than us.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
And that's why a.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
Lot of this seems magical. And one of the biggest
problems I think a lot of conventional scientists have with
the idea of us being visited by aliens is the
idea of traveling from one star system or one galaxy
to another. It's just, you know, not real logical with
what we know about moving through space. But I'm thinking

(01:03:53):
that a lot of the things that make this less
likely are pure relief from our uninformed perspective. So, you know,
more information I think will most certainly kind of point
us in the right direction.

Speaker 5 (01:04:09):
Yeah, it's really ourselves that's holding us back. You know,
you're right when they when they look when you think
about it, the whole distance thing, you know how far
they'd have to travel. But that's only they're only going
by the science. Like you said, we know the only science.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
That we know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
They're going by our speed limit of light. And I
don't I don't even think we have a good grasp
on that. I would say, I would like to uh,
I would like to posit this to anyone who likes
thinking about these things. Is our creation of dark matter hypothesis,

(01:04:44):
And the whole idea of dark matter is to explain
why the stars on the outside of a galaxy don't
move the way that we would presume through Newtonian physics
that they would move. You know, something closer to the
center of mass move faster, things that the outer moves slower.
That's Newtonian physics that we know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
That's not what we.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
See when we look at galaxies. We see everything moving
pretty much at the same rate, right, So we say, Okay,
there's got to be something there that's causing this to
move faster and this to move slower, and therefore it
all looks like the same. I believe that we might
be suffering from what motion looks like from our perspective

(01:05:30):
in time. Technically, the galaxy is moving in Newtonian Newtonian
frame of reference, but we're looking at it from one
particular perspective in time, which flows at a very constant rate.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
So you know, where.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
Time is slowing down motion from our perspective and speeding
other things up. It appears to us in the middle
as though it's all at equilibrium and it's all moving
the same. It just seems it seems like a lot
of our biggest problems in physics right now are revolving

(01:06:08):
around our understanding of gravity and time, and it seems
quite coincidental that these objects that we're observing are exhibiting
strange interactions with space, time and gravity. So, you know,
I think that that's a I think we need to

(01:06:30):
steer our research towards understanding time and physics instead of
assuming that it's irrelevant and a construct and something we
created and that we have to cancel, like we literally
come up with formulas to remove time from an equation,
so you know, we insert time and then remove it

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because it's irrelevant when it seems to me as though
it's almost helping dictate what form energy takes. Like if
you have you have energy on a particular timescale, we
call it magnetic attraction. If you have energy on a
different timescale, we might call that gravity or the snap

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that occurs when you jump and hit the ground. I
would consider that snap to be the same snap that
happens when two magnets come together. So you know, I
think that we can come up with a wave where
we can say all energy is dictated by this one

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set of parameters and map out what's going on inside
atoms instead of just calling it probability and saying that
it represents reality, like actually knowing what's inside an atom.
So I don't know, I do wholeheartedly believe that research
on the subjects going to lead to a lot of

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the answers we've and looking for, and you know, the
more mysterious things we've been experiencing.

Speaker 5 (01:08:05):
I agree, and we're you know, I believe we're on
the cusp. You know we're on the cusp. People more
people are experiencing all these, you know, the strange phenomenons
all the time. So wonderful, Matthew.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
I really appreciate your time, Nick.

Speaker 5 (01:08:17):
You're more than welcome.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
You've made this, You've made this comfortable and easy to
talk about, and I really appreciate that you got.

Speaker 5 (01:08:25):
It, Matthew. I really appreciate you coming on sharing that
for our listeners.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
Yes, sir, good good times, and I really appreciate it. Man, Yes, sir,
I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
You have a great day.

Speaker 5 (01:08:34):
Yeah, you too. Take care, Matthew. I talk soon to you,
all right, sure, okay, thank you, brother. That is all
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page on my website at UFO Chronicles podcast dot com.
A big thank you to Matthew for sharing tonight, and
thank you all for listening. I will be back next week.
Till then, stay safe and keep watching the skies. Goodbye,