Ep.199 UFOs Over Alberta / Is This You Grandma (Throwback)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You'll be away five seventeen.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Do you want to report a UFO hanging in? We
don't want to report every thirty one.

Speaker 3 (00:08):
Do you wish to report a.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
UFO over hey, we want to one of those areas
thirty one. Do you wish to find a report of
any kind of it?

Speaker 1 (00:18):
I wouldn't know what kind of reports, clouds.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
Time areas thirty one me neither there were self.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
If it was anybody above us to pass us, Like
thirty seconds ago, we were sending one top of golf negative, okay,
OFFI the UFO.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Yeah, it's murder two nine o'clock. Yes, I'll just passed over,
I go.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
I don't know what it was, but it's.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
From at least to three thousand feet above us. See,
I passed right over the top of us.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Ninety one one.

Speaker 5 (00:53):
You just called up to me.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
The fours they're after staying.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
The airplanes here to God. Calm on an Unidentified object
every liberty four call or calm on an Unidentified flying object.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share
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(01:48):
Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. Wherever in the
world you are joining us from. How are you all doing?
I'm Nick Hunter and this is a UFO Chronicles podcast.
At first to night is Michael in Alberta, Canada, and
Michael is going to be taking us back to nineteen
seventy eight when he witnessed two very different UFOs. Then

(02:10):
next up is Jason in California in the US, and
Jason will be sharing his UFO sightings, a possible cryptid encounter,
and some of his paranormal experiences both stateside and from
his time in the United Kingdom. Michael is up next.
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on with the show. Hello Michael, and welcome to the show.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Hither how'll it go on?

Speaker 5 (03:13):
Good?

Speaker 4 (03:14):
Thank you, thank you for joining us today. And you're
calling from Alberta, Canada.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, that's right. I'm in a little town. I call
it El Dorado, but it's it's not its real name.
It's about an hour and a half east of Edmonton,
so I'm quite far in the sticks.

Speaker 4 (03:30):
Lovely nice. Okay, Michael, you have some encounters to share
with us. Would you like to start at the very beginning, please, sir?

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Sure, let's go here. So in the early summer of
nineteen seventy eight, I'm going to say it could have
been seventy seven, but I appreciate it seventy eight. Other
around twelve and I came home from school and I
found my newspapers on the front step. So that was
my job as a paper boy. And after school every
day I deliver my papers. Almost everyone in block I

(04:01):
got one, and so it was a you know, it
took me about an hour and a half to do it.
And my route was basically a loop that started at
my front step where the papers were dropped off, and
then I'd walk around this four corner block. This was
a new suburb south of Edmonton and in the town
of the Duke. We're only a few miles away from
the international airport, so any southbound jets would fly over.

(04:26):
It seems like they'd fly right over our house and
stop talking for a few minutes while they went over.
So this story could be said to start with the
end because something happened that I can't explain. No one
else saw it. I'm wanting to understand it my whole life.
So yeah, I'm just going to go forward here. Maybe
it'll circle one day and I'll just return to my

(04:47):
sighting with with a sense of understanding. I think that's
what a lot of our experiences wanted, just understand what
they saw. And this journey is powered by curiosity, right,
and it becomes stronger as age as we put down
more baggage.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
Thing.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
So it could be just a neutral curiosity like a
mystery novel. You know, how does the stuffy end?

Speaker 1 (05:07):
Right?

Speaker 2 (05:07):
It be as simple as that, but something more deep,
more existential, like you know, what is our well, what
is our role in the universe? What is my role?
You know, it's like it's you an idea of where
my brain goes with all this stuff over the years.
So the event that triggered the start of my life
as a conscious, suffering, curious, and a learning person human

(05:32):
or the event started that before that, I was you know,
I was a kid, right, I care free at school,
playing with friends, watching TV, you know, race home every
day to watch Star Trek on TV, reading novels, Saturday
movie at matinees, you know, just the normal normal stuff
for us. Hey, and I had I had my paper

(05:52):
for spending money, and I even went to church and
I was just kind of a normal kid, I guess.
But after my citing, there were changes. I became self
conscious about my stuttering. I lost my belief in the
teaching of my church, and I just stopped attending. I
just never felt comfortable there, and I developed an anxiety disorder.

(06:13):
So I would wake up anxious in the morning and
I couldn't eat, or if I did, I would you know,
throw up in the alley on the way to school.
And my parents did their best to help me. Of course,
our family doctor was a well known him therapist, which
was kind of cool because he, you know, he figured
out that it was mental, was anxiety, and he taught

(06:34):
me how to do progressive relaxation on I was twelve,
So now I can just you know, chill at a
I can chill at will. And about twenty years ago
I started meditation, which is kind of goes a long
as thy route, I suppose. So I made it through
the rest of junior high school, junior high in high school,
despite my stuttering and my anxieties. But I mean, I

(06:57):
wonder who isn't anxious grades and it was stuff like
I couldn't use the washroom, I couldn't even restaurants. I
don't like flea markets for some reason. But I made
it to university, and with time I overcame my anxieties.
I've worked through things really well. I think the age
and I even I think, yeah, I think I can
say this. I overcame my stuttering, as you can tell.

(07:18):
And I found a career as a speech pathologist. So
you know, things happen for a reason. But there's this
deep question in my unconscious mind drives me more and
more and expresses itself as depression sometimes so omnia. I
have an urge to be a prepper, even though I
don't carry it out. You know, I don't have like
an emergency put in the basement or anything. For a

(07:40):
long time, I had a drive to learn self defense,
so I spent many years of learning karate, you know
that kind of stuff. But that's all sort of fallen
away right time. I guess an age you could say, though,
that I'm viscuctionary of psychological problems as a modern man,
and in its most benign form, it drives me to
express it. It expresses itself as curiosity. And maybe I've

(08:05):
dropped most of my complexes. I've seen an analyst, a
young an analyst, and that really helped me sort of
look inwards. I guess, Okay, so it's not about me.
It is about me, but it's really about the event
that triggered this. So this is what I saw to
do my paper route. I would load the papers in
a way and I would carry it and make my
way around the block if they were if they were small,

(08:28):
I could carry them in a bag on my shoulder
kind of thing. But they're usually quite a pile. And
this day, something in the sky, a movement. Perhaps I
drew my attention to the west, and there I saw
a triangular craft, just stationary in the sky, unmoving, a
stationary It was far away, but I would guess it
would be you know, big, right, and you know how

(08:50):
we always guess how big things are. It's hard, right,
unless you're a pilot whatever. But I'm going to guess
it was at least as big as a passage a jet,
you know, judging by the jets that would leave the airport.
Maybe a bit smaller. And it's the classic perfect equilateral triangle.
It was gray black, one of those two, you know,

(09:13):
somewhere in the range, and I had three large lights
on one side it kind of looked like engines, you know,
and the rest was well, I drew a picture and
it kind of looked like when I do a picture
when I was a kid, and it kind of looked
like a high because there was also two fins on
the back, and I think there was a dome in it,

(09:35):
So maybe it wasn't as big as I thought. Just recently,
like yesterday, I've been reading the novel Secret Machines, and
the machine that he describes really matches what I saw,
which is, you know, kind of cool. But that machine
was mad made and I haven't got that far in
at all. So anyways, I see this shift. It's stationary

(09:56):
to the west, and then I scanned the sky and
I see a second one with the sister craft, UFO two,
and it's exactly the same, the same shape, description, everything,
but it's in the north and honestly, it would have
been right over the airport. You know, I'll just leave
it at that. So the first one remained at about
nine o'clock and the new one was at about one two,

(10:17):
and the second UFO would have been really close to
the airport, but you know, radar and stuff, and I
was a kid, I didn't think about calling, so nothing
happened for a minute or two. And then UFO one
traveled directly across the sky to be right beside UFO two,
And it was such a distance to travel and no
time at all, kind of like, oh, I've read someplace

(10:37):
where you don't actually see it move. You just see
point A and point b, and our brain imagines the
moving in between. But you know, that's how fast it is,
so you know, it would have taken a jet thirty
sixty seconds to fly that far right, but the same instant,
just like that, and then both of them there, they
hover there for cover doesn't seem like the right word,

(10:59):
but they're they're there for a few minutes and then
up the north, just straight up.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
You know.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
They didn't like chilt and zoom off like a plane
with a helicopter. They just sort of staying completely stationary,
moved up and away. I'm using my hands to describe
the motion, which does not help. So a couple of
eyeblinks and there was no sound. But more than that,

(11:27):
there was no sounds in the neighborhood. There was no
light in the neighborhood. And maybe that's just because my
attention was so focused on the UFOs that you know,
I couldn't hear or see anything else. I wasn't seeing
you now, it was just like rivetedary. So but anyways,
there was no cars, there's no people. I don't you know.
I'm going to say there was no wind on how

(11:48):
you remember when after thirty years, I don't think there
was any wind. The sky was clear, the sun was high,
you know, and where we live here, if in the summertime,
this would have been maybe Jewnish. We get really long
days and the sun you know, the sun doesn't really
go down until around nine or ten at night. Clear,
easy to see, no clouds now. I don't really remember

(12:12):
my state of mind or exactly what I did afterwards,
But I think I just carried on with my paper route.
You know, eventually I told people I told my mom
and dad, and I've asked them recently. They remember telling
them this, and they have no memory for the talk, right,
so you know, they must have not taken it seriously,
or you know, kind of shrugged it off, or their

(12:33):
minds where their memory was a race. You know, it's
easy to tell stories with memories like this. The other
people I told my friends, you know, my sisters, they've
all they've all passed away since then, so kind of
just my little story to carry around inside my head
and share. So anyways, I carried on with my paper route.

(12:55):
You know, it's just a blocker, like a literally a blocker.
There's a little offshoot to do the lodge. And I
remember one one lady in the lodge. She had this
beautiful orange plant. I don't know why. This memory's clear
as clear as the UFOs, but it was just this,
you know, like an ornamental orange inside her sweep next
to the window, and it had oranges growing on this.

(13:17):
I've always been fascinated by that, and you know, wanting
to recreate that, you memories around them sometimes, but I
don't know. So I do my block, I do my
paper route, and you know whatever dropped the papers in
the doors, and carry on next, next, next, and I
get to the last side of the square block and
I have the second experience, and I'm I probably I

(13:39):
was doing the route with my head craned in the
sky right like, wanting to see more. Every time I
came out, I'd looked up and see what was there. Well,
this time it happened. I was my head was up
and looking up, and I looked up and I saw
an enormous cigar shape craft. And it wasn't far away
like the first t either. It was like this is

(13:59):
the one that it was right over right right over
the split level house that I just delivered the paper too.
Heard Art Bells talk about his triangles and how he
could throw a rock at them, you know, and I
wasn't a good thrower, but I could get try. Thought anyways,
So anyways, this cigar shaped craft is it's moving. It's
moving slowly right to left across my cross my vision,

(14:21):
and I'm just completely mesmerized. Right, one of those things
that get seared in your memory. And of course there
was no sound, and it felt again it felt like
I was the only person in the world to me in
this craft. No sounds, no traffic, no people. If anyone
that was in the front window of my house, it
could have seen me standing there looking at this thing,

(14:43):
or you know, or in fact anyone right like the house.
I just delivered the paper too, like people look at it.
I don't know why it was just me, but it
was huge. It was just enormous. It was silver, it
was There was no markings. There was no seams, no
rivets or anything like that, no dents from interstellar collisions
or scorch marks, no nothing. It was just this pristine, shiny,

(15:06):
silver chrome thing. Perfect. It really was. I don't remember.
I think I had a pointed end, but it might
have been rounded off, you know, like sometimes cigars before
you could the end off they have a little plenty tip.
So I don't know. But the important part about this
setting was that there was a front. I'm guessing it
was a front. I mean, it could have been backing it,

(15:28):
but it was. It was moving across my vision and
there were lights orbiting around. I guess I'm just going
to call it the cone, right. It seemed like the cone,
but it was about that distance from if you divide
it in half, you'd come forward right close to the
front of the of the craft. And they were they
were orbiting around I guess they were like light bulbs,

(15:50):
like like planets around the sun, right. And it was
pretty quick. It would have been. Oh, I don't know
how to describe the quickness of them. Motion three times
as fast as secondhand on this watch, you know. I
was just moving fast. And they were colorful too. There
was maybe three they were glowing, and they were colorful.

(16:11):
I think there was red, white, maybe a yellow one.
And then that's where my memory stops, just completely nothing
after that, My memory is gone. I don't remember even
finishing my roote. I just remember being home, telling my
family what I saw and carrying on. But now with age,

(16:34):
I'm wondering what. I don't remember it going away. I
don't remember it taking off and disappearing. What happened. I
just remember seeing those spinny little things, you know, like
I'm being hypnotized, and it disappeared away, but I didn't
see it. Just to help still, and that's where life

(16:57):
carries on, you know. I told people. Their reaction I
think was black and you know, no excitement or surprise.
And even now when I mentioned it, you know, they're
kind of iffy about I'm sure you've experienced this or
you've heard about it where we just don't you just
don't bring it up at a dinner party. Oh yeah,
I saw a UFO and it was and none of

(17:17):
my memory went away. So you know, it is quite
fun to be able to talk about this out loud.
So I believe it's what I don't remember that has
driven my curiosity and my anxiety in my life. And
I just wonder why my memory stopped while I was
looking at those lights rotating around the cone of the UFO.
You know, I must have finished my rout, you know,

(17:39):
but where did the ship go? Did it fly away?
Why don't I remember that? You know what happened to me?
Did something happen to me? And you know, then my
ego or my my bigger self looks at my ego
and says, well, you know, why did it just come
to you? I mean, who are you?

Speaker 3 (17:55):
Right?

Speaker 2 (17:55):
The analytical me kind of questions whether maybe it was
a hallucination. But I mean, you know, I work in
brain injury and I dementia. People with dementia. And then
you know they have people have hallucinations for reasons, right,
so that something's going on with the brain. You know,
I have a normal brain. I still have a normal brain.
Knock on wood, you know, drugs. Mental health was okay

(18:19):
after the mental health stuff started. So, as I mentioned before,
this was the time my social anxiety started, my stuttering worsened,
and you know, I became estranged from my church. And
I'm just wondering, is this a coincidence? You know, is
this developmental milestone that my mind created something to mark

(18:42):
the boundaries or you know, was something initiated? Was did
something change in my brain? And then as I was
thinking about those things, I start thinking about other things
in my life that were a little strength. They're more subtle, right,
you know, like dreams. And the only dream I'm going
to read recall or retael is a recurring dream that

(19:04):
was more of a childhood dream, and it was a
dream of my body floating through an opening and cut
into a stone wall. It was kind of like a
door And at first there's plenty of space between the
ceiling and the floor, but as I drift inwards, the
distance between those two would get closer, kind of like
a wedge, and they move closer and closer to the

(19:26):
point where it was too narrow for me to pass,
and then I just wake up. I've had that dream
scores of times, not as an adult though, you know,
like maybe it was even before my experience. I'm not sure.
And you know, I love coincidences. I love reading into
things and looking for a meaning. So maybe there's a

(19:49):
connection there. There's a white light at the other side
of this passage, right, but I can never quite reach
it because each time in the dream, I just wake up,
and I don't wake up all pleasant, happy either scared.
So that's the dream part of things. I've had another
strange recollection, as recurring visits of figures in my bedroom

(20:09):
at night. And again these could be explained as just
normal dreams, but you know, well that's why we're talking, right,
what if not? So most of the dreams I see
a dark figure standing in the doorway or in the corner,
or even at the side of my bed. There's no details.
I know it's it's got arms, head and the leg

(20:29):
and legs, two legs, but it's just black, right, And
my wife confirms that what happens is I sit up
really suddenly in bed and I yell out right, I
call out in fear, and then I reach for my
light to turn it on, and they disappeared. But when
they're gone, at least me just you know, with the adrenaline,

(20:50):
that fear feeling, that emotional sense. And then somehow I
go to bed right and they've mostly diminished those things.
But recently I've been doing more stargazing. I'm on vacation,
so I get to stay up late and do the
things I like to do in life. Final I had
I had a visitor, but it looked like a little lizard.

(21:11):
Looked like I had like a long alligator bit. So
you know, is that a dream? Is this stuff again?
I don't know, But at that one, but I never
like wake up and I'm like, oh hey, buddy, how's
it going. Let's let's communicate and share our oneness.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
You know.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
I'm never always like striking out or screaming or yelling.
I had an out of experience once where I was
just playing in my apartment. You know, you're out of body.
You float up and you see yourself and then you're
sort of floating away. But that's as far as it

(21:49):
goes that the only thing I remember here, remember from
that experience was that I had a strong urge too
there a strong message I think to call a friend
of mine who I had seen a few years. So
I was pretty unremarkable, little blip. And then finally one
last experience of kind of lost time. And I'm in

(22:12):
Jasper and it's a national park here, and I was
sitting on one side of the valley, and the other
side of the valley is these beautiful mountain ranges and
everything in between. Right, it's just a giant, fast space.
And I went away. I didn't have a seizure or anything.
But my dad came and saw me like an hour later.

(22:34):
It just seemed like he was mad at me because,
you know what, you're gonna come and help me set
up the camp or you know, get taken off and
keeping up your chores. And as far as I know,
I was right. So that brings me to my encounter
story and my feelings of connections to you and your
listeners and why I'm here on this show. I guess

(22:55):
hopefully some say U apologies kind of like a new
really you know, world that just stop believing in God
for the most part spontaneously created the mythology of the
UFO and non human life forms or extra human I
guess far fetched and more philosophical way to explainth of
you know, THEDEO evidence of the ships. We don't have

(23:18):
direct evidence of abductions. You know, people have weird marks
on their skin and stuff and unexplained pregnancies that disappear.
I mean that seems pretty real, but it's not like, yeah,
pictures of UFOs, right, So that one seems a little
That one seems a lot more vague to me. Of course,
I don't know. Maybe I was abducted. I don't who knows, right,

(23:39):
Maybe I saw things that triggered all my anxiety. My
kids have anxiety too, and started around the same age,
and I just that also makes me wonder. I mean,
anxieties is a bitch, right, And I don't know, maybe
it's we always look for reasons to explain it, you know,
like why are you anxiou? So maybe that's part of

(24:02):
what's happening in my brain. But as you can tell,
I'm really interested in psychology of experiencing of the phenomena,
you know, like do we have a spiritual gene that
predisposes us to seek and believe. Is there like a
survival instinct? What there is? We have a survival instinct,
I'm sure we do to belong to our group, you know,

(24:22):
and have a group focus and have rules that support
the group cohesion, you know, because we're social and things
just help us function better, and you know, conquer the world.
The idea that it's going back a little bit, that
it's created just by our consciousness. You know, all these
things are just created by our consciousness. And I mean

(24:44):
that's hard, right because we'd all have to that means
big things, like we aren't just isolated beings. I don't
know if you ever watched Our Trek, but there was
an episode where Spot was taken over by a non
corporeal being and this person was in in his body
right looking through his eyes, and he says, oh, the
world is so small like this, trapped inside these these

(25:07):
shells of bodies. He didn't like it, right, because but
what if we are connected? And I know a lot
of people go in that direction with spirituality, with religion,
even you know, I mean the church has kind of
taken the God out of spirituality. But if you just
think of that universal thing that unites us all. I mean,

(25:29):
we could call it whatever we want. It's something that's
beyond words. Really, you know, we call it God. Some
people call it God, some people call it you know, eternal.
And sometimes I feel like we're just I'm still a caveman,
and I go, I think of like two thousand and
one Space Odyssey and monolith Lands and teaches us how
to smack each other with thigh bones. A scary idea

(25:53):
for me is the Skynet theory, where you know, there's
sort of like a civilization to achieve level of technology,
and then they create artificial intelligence which gets smarter and
smarter until it doesn't meet us anymore. And then that's
what becomes the new life form and goes out and
conquers the universe or explores the universe. Have to get

(26:17):
out of my colonial headset. That's a hard one to
shake too, anyways. But also what does the experience do
to us people? You know, like it seems kind of
negative compared to like a religious experience, or maybe not
some people of a lot of people have had bad
religious experiences, but you know, the negative uncertainty, the anxieties,

(26:40):
the feeling that you know something is wrong is before
and after, and we're stuck in this middle, liminal zone
where you know, we forget we're here even in the middle,
and it's just this duckness, that feeling that something is
could there be good stuff that comes from all these interactions,
you know, good psychological things. I mean, there's nothing wrong

(27:02):
with curiosity, nothing wrong with mostly nothing wrong with technological development,
and there's consequences to that too, right, But the sense
of community, that getting out of yourself, maybe that is
the point we kind of loop around to more of
a spiritual explanation, spiritual ways of looking at things. So

(27:23):
I hope that telling my story will keep the wheel rolling,
my life's wheel rolling, and maybe taking me to a place,
back to the place where it started, you know, at
the beginning, the beginning that if I had the answers
to my missing memories, you know, may also be begin.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
Good job, Michael.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
I love how you sit back and just let us
tell our story.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
It's really cool.

Speaker 4 (27:45):
Well, you know, Michael, that's what it's all about. And
this obviously still still bothers you after all this time.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Yeah, but is it bother or is it that feeling
that something's not right, that I'm missing something, That's what
it is. It's a feeling that I'm missing something. And
you know, if you know much about Buddhism, I mean
that's the nature of our suffering, right, It's that braving
for We always prave for something. Maybe that's built into
us too, right, because we go back to our primitive

(28:13):
selves and we always have to you know, you can't
just sit around and relax and enjoy life in your bungalow.
You know, it's got to be watching for danger or
looking for food the UFO, and that's what just takes
it out of the psychology for me completely. I can't
just say I can't just write it off to the
figments of everyone's imagination, not completely anyway.

Speaker 4 (28:34):
I mean you had, you know, two major signs in
one and pretty much of a very short span of time.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Yep. Maybe a second one is especially the triangles were
you know, they're just remote over there, right, and it's
just seeing things fly that don't normally behave like that.
I mean that should be amazing, right, But I don't know.
Maybe it's the modern world and jaded. You know, too
many Star Trek movies that can never be too many
Star Trek movies or Star Wars movies, but the I've

(29:02):
yet to see maybe close Encounters of the third kind
cups close, but that just that sensation of awe and
being mesmerized and mentally and I don't know, physically captured
by that cigar shape.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
One.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
How does your memory just stop like that? I feel
like I was hypnotized, you know, watch the spinning balls,
puny human and then all of that. Okay, we have him,
now take him aboard. And I've always had a lot
of nose bleeds about it. But I live in a dry,
pretty dry climate, so I mean it's easily explained, right,
and headaches and no, It's like, but I think that's

(29:42):
more imagination taking making a story out of based on reality.

Speaker 4 (29:48):
Yeah, I mean that's that's always a possibility. That's always
something which you always should be considered. Obviously, if you
get in a continuous amount of nose bleeds and there
wasn't particularly any explanation for it, if you had gone
to see a a professional about it.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah, oh no, I've done that. Yeah, they just say
it's yeah, it's just dry skin.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
You know.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
I'm like, thanks for nothing.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
He made it.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
He made a fire and and it is a dry climate, right,
Maybe I'm meant to live in a more human climate Hawaii.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
After your encounters, how long was it before that your
anxieties seemed to have increased?

Speaker 2 (30:25):
You know, I'm going to say instantly, but I'm sure
it was gradual over weeks. But that's a really good question,
because I do remember a time when I was I
remember like just doing stuff right. You don't you don't
worry about it. You want to go hang out with
your friends or stay with a friend on the weekend
or whatever.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
You just did.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
It didn't mean it wasn't even there was no social
spear or anything, right, But then that came. Yeah, it
was right around that time. And maybe it's just thinking
about you know, how I've dealt with my management anxiety
over the years, that sort of brought those memories back
into play. I mean, I'm working on it with my
analyst too, and he doesn't just sort of write me

(31:04):
off like, you know, a wacko with hallucinations. But I
guess that's his job not to do that. But you know,
I think it's related. The whole thing is it's just
nice to take a step back and look at your
life right and understand the paths you take and and think, well,
maybe that wasn't a good one, and maybe I can
change it, you know. But I'm also trying to help

(31:28):
my kids and so they don't just have to kind
of go through it like I did over the years,
fix themselves when they're older. Maybe can help them now.
But what if you know, you know how they say
experiencers or runs in the family. I mean, what if
something happened to them too, that would be kind of scary,
but or you know, it's just genetic and built in.

(31:49):
I've got a seventeen year old and a twenty. Yeah,
so they're myself at their age. I was right into
the anxieties and that's kind of where they're at too.
It's very very parallel, like many many me. One of them,
one of them copes by withdrawing. Any other one just
puts his head down and barrels through. And that's kind
of me. Both of those are me. That's why I

(32:10):
was never good at karate, because I didn't I didn't think.
I just just rushed in and got punched and it
was over.

Speaker 4 (32:18):
You said you, you said your torch analysts. Would you
talk to him about your experiences?

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Yes, I have talked to him about it, and I
tried to read Young's book about UFOs, but it was
it's beyond me.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
I didn't.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
I lack the prerequisites to understand a lot of what
he was saying. But I love how he doesn't write
it off. You know, it's part of our it's part
of being human. And and I also like how Young
uses mythology and stories from all times right that that

(32:57):
connects us through time. Always been sort of fascinated with
the idea of time collapsing. I guess when I was younger,
I went to art school, and when I was younger,
I made a film and it was that was my theme.
Was like this apartment building where I lived. It was

(33:19):
kind of spooky, but you know, it had atmosphere, and
I was just trying to get the feeling of all
the lives that lived there before. You know, I had
a neighbor who had an experience and she said it
was like this black cloud that would just sort of
appear out of the ceiling and descend on her, you know,
and it was like a horror horror story. But I

(33:40):
and you know, working in hospitals and long term cares
and stuff, I mean, you know, there's a lot of
people coming and going and in you know, either physical
form or dying. There's a certain energy about spaces that
and then when you think about the whole time aspect

(34:00):
of things, right, you know, like the visitors are from
other times. Maybe that's how it works, and maybe that's
why that cigar stick one just disappeared, right, because it
just popped into our reality, and that disappeared popped into
another one. I found that fascinating too. I think it's
fascinating because it's so far beyond our understanding, our ability

(34:26):
to do. You know, it's it's like magic. It's like wow.
You know, it's like God before technology. We claim to
learn and understand everything. Well, we don't claim that, but
we understand a lot, you know, where we became too
big for our briches, I think, which is not to

(34:47):
be perjorative about that. I think it's just that happens, right,
I mean, that's human nature, right, part of a revolution.
I just hope we don't make a sky net. That
would be bad.

Speaker 4 (34:56):
Yeah, that would be bad. And they say you're not
you know that. My guest has had an experience involving
a cigar on the paper.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
ND you know, I would really like to. You know,
I live in a small town. It's just the little
hospital and the school and stuff, right, so there's not
it'd be pretty hard to find you an experience your
community here. I'd say, we're asked, but it's not the
kind of thing you break up that coffee break, right, So,
but it would be really neat to maybe our reach

(35:25):
out a bit. I know there's online community. It's kind
of a loner anyways. I'm quite content, but it would
be nice to just kind of sit down and have
a beer with somebody and and say, oh and then
it did this me too. You know, wouldn't that be cool?

Speaker 4 (35:40):
It would be Yeah. I mean there's there's there is
plenty of communities out there, and you know I do.
I have a lot of listeners in Alberta as well,
so you know, maybe one of them, maybe one of
them would like to reach out to you. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
Absolutely, I'm not sure how you do the connecting, but
I'll for sure give you my permission to pass on emails,
will ask whatever.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
That's cool.

Speaker 4 (36:00):
So you're in Alberta, so you're you're you must be
close to Edmonton?

Speaker 3 (36:04):
Are you?

Speaker 4 (36:05):
Are you close to Edmonton?

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yeah, yep, yep, exactly about an hour and a half east.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
Okay, So, if there's any other experiences out there in
the Alberta Edmonton area that I'd like to reach out to, Michael,
send us your email and I will pass them on gladly.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Awesome.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
We'll start a club, the Edmonton Experiences.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Club, the Eddon Experiences Club.

Speaker 4 (36:28):
Well, Michael, I really appreciate you coming on sharing that
for our listeners.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Yeah, that was great.

Speaker 4 (36:33):
Okay, Michael has been great. Speaking to your keeping contact.
All right, and we'll talk soon.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
Take care, take.

Speaker 4 (36:39):
Care, Michael, talk to him.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
Bye bye, bye bye.

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Speaker 3 (38:00):
Either. Yeah, it's great to be on your show, and
hopefully you'll enjoy the encounters that I have to tell.

Speaker 4 (38:07):
I'm sure I will. Thank you for joining us today.
Jason calling from the state of California.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
Yes, and Central California.

Speaker 4 (38:15):
Central California. That's great, Jason, you have some encounters to
share with us. Would you like to start at the
beginning please?

Speaker 3 (38:21):
I guess yeah, I'll start when you know. The first
series of experiences that happened to me is when I
was younger, probably ten eleven years old. Has happened early nineties,
and you know, me and my my friends growing up,
I guess you can say that we were like a
group of kids from strangers Thanks, except without all the

(38:44):
extreme weird stuff happening.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
You know.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
We were all into the paranormal, and at the time,
No X Files wasn't even out yet, so we had
to make do with old episodes of In Search Of
and go into the library and finding Reader Digest books
about the paranormal and stuff like that. But it's been
It was something that we're always into now. We even

(39:07):
tried to get my mom's Siberian husky and we formed
a circle around it and we were trying to make
a limit ed. So we were just, you know, really
really into it. But the first thing that happened to
this was actually a UFO sighting. It was during the summertime.
I remember that because we were out of school and

(39:29):
we were hanging out at my neighbor's house. It was
four of us, Me and my brother and three other
men two maybe three other princes. There was four five
of us just hanging out talking. It was dusk, so
I had to be about nine maybe nine thirty at night,
and in the area that I lived in Central California,

(39:50):
there was a airport about twenty miles from whre you
were at. And at the time they had Army National
Guard there, so you always had chinooks and stuff flying over,
so we'd always have stuff flying over the vicinity of
our neighborhood. But I remember we were just all there
hanging out talking and we noticed something flying in the

(40:13):
sky going the same direction as the helicopters by they'd
fly south to south of us. And you know, it
didn't make any notice of it, but we sort of
looking at it. And the thing that was strange about
it was it wasn't making any noise. Now, if you've

(40:33):
ever heard of chinook, it's got a boom boom, boom boom,
because it's a double road or helicopter, and it's a
pretty good sized helicopter. But this was about the same
size as a chinook, so it was a good i'd
say sixty five seventy feet in length. And as it
got closer, like I said, there's no sound and we're
just watching and it was, you know, as you probably

(40:57):
know from encounters UFO encounters in the early nineties, it
was a black triangle and we're watching it. This black triangle.
It had the just black with three white lights at
each each of its corners. But the weird thing was,
you know, I heard other encounters saying there's red light
in the middle, but this one had the red light

(41:18):
in the middle, but it was actually moving during the
figure eight inside of the triangle itself. So that was
a bit odd. And like I said, we were watching
it just slowly, you know, fly over us. No sound
at all. That was the weird thing. It's like, no
sound at all. It's like it's just watching it. You
just couldn't hear anything, couldn't hear traffic, couldn't hear you

(41:41):
dogs in neighborhood barking, not thing. It was just completely
dead quiet, and this thing just flew over It seemed
like a good five maybe ten minutes until it gradually
made its way over the horizon to where we were
at and completely disappeared. So that the first thing. Then,

(42:02):
you know, I talked about, like I don't know, you know,
conspiracy theories about black triangles that are they man made?
Are they UFOs? I know, you know, if you look
at a lot of you know, secret military aircraft, a
lot of them tend to have a triangle type shape
to them. So you know, I can't say for definite

(42:24):
that you know it's extraterrestrial, but you know, definitely a UFO.
The second cann I just go straight to it. It
was probably a year or so after this incing happened.
Remember it was it was that night. I think it
was around the springtime, and I believe it was a
Friday or Saturday because we were able to stay out late.

(42:45):
I was still in school and there was a media
shower that was supposed to happen, the big media shower,
so we were allowed to stay out in my front
yard and me, my brother, and few friends in the
neighborhood who were there around. They were laying on the
front yard looking up, just watching the light show. And

(43:05):
it was and it was a pretty decent sized media shower.
There was meteors going off all over the place and
we were probably watching them for a good thirty forty
five minutes. And for some reason, I don't know what
made me do it, but I sat up and I
just looked over the street to the neighbors across from me,

(43:28):
their houses, and there was this black figure on the
roof of one of the one of the houses in
front of me, and I first thought maybe my eyes
were playing a trick on me because I've been gazing
up at this media shower for so long and I'm
just looking at it, and all of a sudden, it
started to move. And this thing it almost seemed it

(43:51):
was bipedal, but it almost it was hunched over, like
it can equally be at home on old flours, and
it seemed like it was panther like as they had
this dark black body. I couldn't see any features. It
was just black. It was just blacker than the night
sky that surrounded it. But I remember it seemed to

(44:13):
me like it was a good six to seven feet tall,
and it had a tail that was about equal to
its body length, so it was a whatever it was,
it was a good size. And I'm looking at it
and it's, like I said, it starts to move. It
takes two big steps and it leaps over from the house.
It was on to the roof on the adjacent house.
And once I saw it here a little leap, I

(44:36):
just stood up and I told my friends, hey, you know,
I'm I'm going to bed, and they're like, what's going on,
And you know, I explained to them what I just saw,
and they just like lapped it off. Saying, you know,
I'm saying things and stuff like that, you know, giving
me a hard time, as you know teenage friends would do.
But like no, I doped it out of there and
I just went straight to bed. But the funny thing

(44:58):
about that that sighting was it was probably either the
next night or the night after. I was the last
one up at the house. I was watching TV. It
was probably close to eleven o'clock at night, and I
just sat there watching TV and all of a sudden,
I heard three loud thumbs on the ceiling of my house,

(45:20):
like it was big, large, you know thumbs that actually
it made some of the windows shake and living room
where I was in, and pictures on the wall kind
of you know shake a little, so it had decent.
We didn't wake any any in my family up. But
you know, once I heard that, instantly thought about that

(45:42):
that panther figure, Cryptid, whoever it was, I saw the
couple of nights before, and yeah, I just got up
and just went went straight to bed, and that was
that was the end of that. And say, the third
incident that happened to me during this few years this
timeline when I was growing up was at the time

(46:04):
me and my friends, we were kind of big into
Oigi boards, you know, we had we'd make homemade ones,
we mess around with them and stuff like that, and
you know, some things that happened most of the time
not but I remember at my friend's house and he's like, hey,
you know, we're pulling around playing video games and stuff
for a while, and he's like, hey, you know, you know,

(46:24):
guys want to try out, you know, try to throw
out the wigi board. And we're like, yeah, cool, yeah, sure,
why not, so keep us out of his little homemade
gigi board. We get on it and we started asking questions,
you know, typical questions, and anybody here with us YadA
da YadA in it, you know, it's moving yes and
stuff like that, and I thought, you know that to myself,

(46:46):
I'm like, okay, you know, I want to know if
this is legitimately happened or not. So I got up
from using it, and my friends were still using it.
So I was one asking the questions and they were
gonna be getting the answers from the board. And I
asked if there's anybody here that any spirit here that
knows who I am? And I went to yes in

(47:08):
my head. I instantly thought of my my grandmother that
was on my dad's side and she recently passed away
about a year or so before, and I just the
next question I asked, was is this my grandmother and
the hanchelette they had? When the yes, I'm like, okay, now, okay,

(47:32):
now I'm gonna find out if you know this is
this is really her? And I'm like, what was your nickname?
That the that we that you had that you know,
I knew that only the family knew. There's no way
my friends know that because they didn't know, you know,
who my grandmother was. They know my grandmother was dead.
So I asked the question and it goes to him,

(47:56):
A see Mac and yeah, that that was the nickname.
By then, my friends that were using the board, they're
getting a little freaked out because you know, this is
the first time it's like legitimately worked. And I'm like, okay,
this is this is interesting. And I just said, okay,
if this is you, you know, grandma, can you do something?
The show was to show me. The show was that

(48:18):
you really hear. And my friend's room that we were in,
on his desk was a pencil and this pencil I
swear to to say it lifted up and then they
went straight back down. And when it did that, my
friends that were in the room with me, they freaked.
They got up, they ran out of the room. I

(48:39):
mean they were Hispanic, so they were diehard like throwing,
you know, diehard Catholics, and they rent out the room.
They started one friend within the other brench of the
room just sat down started started praying, you know, rubbing
on this crucifix necklace and stuff. And I was just
left there in that room. Oh wow, okay, no high grind.

(49:01):
And so that was my one big, you know, weiki
board experience. I know a lot of people say, you
know wiki boards. You know, I guess there inherently it
could be ep. I guess it's just however you want
to use it. You know, if you got the intentions inside,
I guess it'll probably amplified our or whatever. But you know,
from my experience, just a way to just communicate. So

(49:25):
there's that and which leads. But it was probably good.
Ten years passed on. It was about two thousand and
one and I started an Internet relationship with this lady.
I was living in England, and you know, we've been
talking for a good six to eight months, and you know,
my my plan was, oh, go over there for a

(49:49):
couple of weeks meter and you know, see how see
how things go. I was twenty one at the time,
in two thousand and one, but I remember we were
we were talking. She was just recently out of an
abusive relationship, and somehow her ex kind of weaseled his way,

(50:11):
you know, back into living with her, saying, you know,
he's got no place to go, his family's just this
and that, and not to go into too many details,
but he ended up like basically holding her hostage and
did like all sorts of not very good things to her,
but he was she was able to escape, and the

(50:33):
police were able to arrest him. But you know, a
funny little coincidence that happened. You know, she was telling
me later as we're talking online that you know, the
story came out on the local little Daily Echo newspaper
that they have there and had. You know, the front
page was a picture of her ex being put into

(50:55):
a police fan and the number plate that police fan,
all the last three letters on that number plate was
the initials of her dead mother. So in her mind,
you know, she thought, you know that was her mom
basically telling her that, you know, I'm I'm going to
protect you. I'm going to take this guy away from you. Yeah,
that's that was pretty nice. And you know, and one

(51:17):
other time, you know, we were talking before I went
over there. We're talking online and you know, this is
all happened and stuff, and she was having like a
you know, a moment, you know, getting emotional and stuff
like that, and all of a sudden she starts telling
me like, so I can I can smell her? Like what, Yeah,
I can smell I can smell my mom, you know,
her perfume, she says, the smell of her mom's her

(51:40):
fume just started walking through the room that she was in,
and you know, she instantly started to calm down. You know,
obviously that was comforting her. So obviously, you know, her
her mom was there looking over. So how about a
few few more months passed by and I finally make
my way over to flying the England down in the
South Coaston, Dorset, that's where she lives, and I'm there

(52:03):
with her and things are going well, and I actually,
you know, actually ended up living there in England for
the next six years. So obviously things went well, and
we were there one night, just hanging out at the
house where neighbor knocks on the door and she's like, hey,
you know, I got you know, I got a gypsy
forrin over and she does tell cards and I was

(52:25):
just wondering if you guys want to come over and
have your cards read by her. And we're like, no, sure,
why not, you got nothing else going on? So we
go over there, lays there, you know, she does the
cards for my for my you know, she's my ex now,
but my ex ex there does cards with her and
it says stuff about her mom and stuff like that
and well, you know, really nice stuff. And she comes

(52:47):
to me and she says that I got somebody looking
over me, basically a family member that's passed on. It's
basically like my guardian angel. And the first thing I
thought of was my grandmother and I we contacted her
on that WIGI board, So that was kind of a
nice little reinforcement of possibly, you know what happened when

(53:11):
I was a kid, you know, really really happened. So
I'm just living a life in ing of them with her.
And I was working for a local little cleaning company
down in Dorset, we were live. There's some holiday park
of Ruckley Park down by the coast, and he had
a contract that, you know, clean the entertainment center there

(53:33):
and a little caravans that were there that people stay
in for the week are however long their visiting. So
I'd go in with them early mornings and i'd helped
clean the entertainment complex, you know, put all the tables,
straightened them up back in the floor, make everything nice
for that morning, whatever whatever they're doing in that morning.

(53:57):
But I remember one time I was sitting the tables
and chairs up and we had a you know, we
had a tea break, so we go have our break.
When they get back, there's a whole row of chairs
that have been pushed out and they're roll leaning against
the table. And I know I didn't leave it like that,
and I thought that was a bit odd. So, you know,

(54:18):
I tell my boss and my hey, did anybody come
in here and do this? And He's like, no, nobody
was here, but it possibly was the ghost. And I'm
like and I'm like, okay, the ghost. Supposedly. The story
is years years ago. There was a guy that used to,
you know, do what we do, clean the clean the
entertainment complex and stuff. And I don't know if he

(54:40):
passed away at the park or what, but supposedly his
ghost is there because my boss told me that one
day that he was doing what I was doing, straightened
the tables, cleaning everything that was straight in the chairs
up and he once again he went had a break
and he came back said about ten fifteen chairs all

(55:01):
stacked on top of each other. So I'm like, oh, okay,
that's a bit that's a bit odd. So but like
there's a lot of stories in that part that the
security guards would tell us that they'd be there late
at night and they the security cameras would catch children
walking the hallways and stuff like that, and when they
go check it out, there's nobody there. And up on

(55:26):
the top floor of this you know cand of complex
used to be uh an adult only bar, but I
guess they closed it down because somebody fell off. Somebody
fell off. They had like a little floor up top
where they can you know, they had another bar and stuff,

(55:46):
and somebody fell to their death or something like that.
I don't know that's a true story or not, but
that's the story they told. And supposedly, you know, they shut.
They closed that bar down. It's just used for storage.
But there's a few time I was when I had
to get cleaning supplies from there, and I can hear
stuff I wastening about, and I actually heard a giant

(56:07):
beach ball be kicked and it flew across the room,
and that's yeah. I kind of grabbed my stuff I
needed and immediately left that room. And yeah, there's something there,
but like more recent stuff that's happened. I came back
to California about two thousand and six, two thousand and seven,

(56:30):
and you know, trying to live my life. I had
a daughter. My daughter used to tell me stories that
you know, she'd see stuff at her her mom's mom's
ranch that they lived in. She'd see like a typical
like woman in white with dark hair, just you know,
standing there out in the field. And this is when

(56:52):
she was probably about four or five years old. Yeah,
I mean, that's that's about it for things that I've experienced.
You know, hopefully some of this work good for your show.
You know, I enjoy what you do. It's a it's
a great show, and you know, hopefully this will find

(57:14):
this interesting and hope people listeners find us interesting as well.

Speaker 4 (57:17):
Good stuff, Jason, interesting. I like to as well as
people's own experiences. I like to hear, you know, things
have been told by friends and family members.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
Yeah, it's like, oh, like one thing I'll just add
I remember growing up too, you know, with my not
the grandma that passed away, but the grandma on my
mom's side. I think we're just talking about ghosts or
something like that. And you know, she told a time
where she was sleeping and she actually woke up and

(57:48):
right there on the foot of bed was a vision
of Jesus just looking at her, just the Jesus there,
the white light around him, and she was there. She said,
there I see, like the blink of a night, he
was gone. And just after he disappeared, the phone, the
phone rang and there was a family member telling her

(58:10):
that her dad had just passed away. So that was
that was you know, it's interesting now, but you know,
growing up as a kid that to be like, oh,
that's a bit freaky.

Speaker 4 (58:19):
But and where's your grandmother? Particularly religious?

Speaker 3 (58:23):
I mean not like ultra religious. That's like my like
on both sides of my family and not you know,
never gone to church. I guess you know more you
know spiritual. We know there's there's something out there.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
You know.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
You just live life as good as you can treat people,
you know, the way you want to be treated. You know,
just never never where the church going type people.

Speaker 4 (58:44):
Not the first time I've heard something very very similar
to that where someone's had a vision of you know,
a religious icon and then they're told that a family
member have passed away.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
Yeah that's yeah, I thought, you know, thinking about it now,
I mean yeah, that's you know, like you know basically
you know, yeah, Jesus telling her like you know, we've
we have your dad, Everything's going to be okay, you know,
because she found it comforting. It wasn't like, you know,
it wasn't like Jesus is Jesus type of you know situation.
It was just like you no comforting knowing that okay,

(59:16):
he's he's in a good place now, you know.

Speaker 4 (59:19):
Yeah, it is comforting. It is company to know that
you know, they're safe and in a better place.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
Yeah. I just everything I've told it just you know,
I just wish there is war, you know, recent stuff,
because it's be nice if I had these encounters you know,
now that I'm older and kind of have a you know,
a better understanding of I guess you could say like
the paranormal and you know what things could be or not.
You know more, you know, I can be like definitely

(59:45):
like okay, that's that or that's not that.

Speaker 4 (59:48):
Of course of course, so that the meteor shower, So
that would have been probably about August time you would
have you would have been watching that.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
It was around that, I want to say for some reason,
I think it was around nineteen possibly eighteen ninety four,
because that was the because I believe the my Ouiji
board experience, I think that was the first thing that happened.
But I wanted to say that last because it kind
of ties in when I moved to England and had
that tarot card reading.

Speaker 4 (01:00:15):
So the figure you saw it was on the adjacent
roof to you, and they was roofed.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
It was like right at like the house by my house.
I grew up in the other front yard than a
small street across the streets that's where the neighbors houses were,
and it was just like yeah, across the street. I
was looking dead straight at it, like I said, no features,
It was like I said, bipeel. But it was like
I said, hunched over, so it looked like you can equally,
you know, move on all four legs if I wanted two,

(01:00:41):
and I just you know, in my mind, like with
that tail, I'm like it was like it was panther
like it was.

Speaker 4 (01:00:49):
It was stood up and you could you could see
you could see a tail, so it was comfortable stand up,
and then it went down on all fours.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
It kind yeah, it didn't actually run on all fours,
but it just hunched over and that's when it started
running on two legs. I think it could have the
one edge. I think it could have just moveent and
on all fourds if it needed to, but you had
to jump. It made. That jump was probably a good
fifteen almost twenty feet, and like I did it with these.

Speaker 4 (01:01:15):
You could certainly discount a neighbor's cat, I mean six
to seven feet.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
Yeah, that thing is about there's a good six or
seven feet tall. And like I said, the tail was
equally as long, so it was a good ten to
twelve you know, total feet in length.

Speaker 4 (01:01:30):
And you couldn't make any features. You couldn't see any
eyes or.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
Anything nothing like that. Like, yeah, it was just completely black,
but it was blacker than you know, the night sky,
so you know it's you know, it's it's you know,
we lived in a in a neighborhood, so yet you know,
some street lights and stuff, so you had the normal
light pollution, so it wasn't completely black, but it was
definitely it was blacker than you know how how dark

(01:01:54):
it gets at night in that neighborhood.

Speaker 4 (01:01:56):
And then just a couple of nights later, as then
heard thumps on your your own roof.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
Yeah, three big thumbs almost like something you know, landed
two feet and then like either a third step, are
an arm or something standing down to steady itself. And
that's when I'm like, okay, you know that's I don't
I don't want to know what that is. You know,
Like I said, this was I'm like thirteen, fourteen years
all the time, and I'm like, okay, yeah, I'm I'm

(01:02:26):
definitely going to bed to.

Speaker 4 (01:02:27):
The safety of my my sheets.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
Yeah, yeah, that I'm going to sleep it off at
this Fine, you can do whatever you want to do.
I'm I'm I'm just gonna go.

Speaker 4 (01:02:37):
And the area in California where you lived, was it suburbia.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
Yeah, it's suba suburbia. I'll tell the town that's ripping California.
So there's a lot of farmland in the area. But
where I lived at the time, the neighborhood I lived in,
it was more of your basic suburban you know, California
type neighborhood. I think its kind of like the Happer

(01:03:02):
neighborhoods and like movies like Culture Geist and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (01:03:05):
You know what, Right, that's the first thing that came
to mind when when you were saying about that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
Yeah, yeah, this, Yeah, we're like the area I lived in,
that's such a California able to basically, like we always
joked around like this is Satan's basically a desert that
we ran, but we just were able to use it
as farmland. It gets hot. It's like right now, in
the last few days it's been about one hundred and
two three degrees so that's hot and that's hot. Yeah, yeah,

(01:03:31):
that's it. It'd be it would be pretty warm here
till like the end of October, so it's not like
over there with summer is like two weeks and.

Speaker 4 (01:03:39):
Then go back to wind and rain.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
Yeah, exactly what.

Speaker 4 (01:03:42):
You were down by the coast as well. I mean,
dors it's quite nice. I'm been there in many years.

Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
It's a nice part of the country. You know, the
city I lived in was cool. You know, right by
the Brownsie Island, that's right, Yeah, yeah, that Rockley Park
it's just right there by the you know, the coast
leading the Brownsie Island. It's really nice.

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Speaker 4 (01:04:42):
And your ex when she had she was in an
abusive relationship and all that passed and the guy, the
scumbag was arrested, and those initials on that number play.
I mean, this is something I hear time and time again,
even if it's just not connected, it's you know, it's
a big jump. And for her mother initial her past
mother's initials to be on that number plate, that I

(01:05:04):
bet was really reassuring for her, knowing that she was
being watched over and then obviously she could she could
smell her mother's perfume.

Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
Yeah, it's like she did. You know, it's not like
she had a bottle of her mom's pouf team there
and you know, she's just not in that. She didn't
have anything like that there. And she said the smell
just heart of like walking over. And actually when I
was there one night, the same thing happened. We were
just there and she's like, can you smell that? And
I'm like, yeah, she's that's that's a confume. Maybe that

(01:05:35):
was at the time, you know, her mom like giving
her field and approval life. Okay, this this guy is
all right because you know she's my ex. But you know, things,
things aren't on good terms with one of those things
that you know, I really couldn't stay in the country
and she didn't want to. She she couldn't really come
to be back to the States.

Speaker 4 (01:05:54):
So that's good. It's always good to remain on good terms.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:05:59):
An interesting going back to your Black Triangle site in
it's a very interesting detail when you're saying about the
center red light, but in your case, it was moving
in in a figure of eight around the triangle.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
Yeah, I don't know if it was, because you know,
watching it, it's almost like the red light was separate
from theism, like you know, just a light within the triangle.
Do it look like it was detached from the triangle
and just doing that figurade just just below it like
it was. It's just crazy that, you know, it just
slowly was just flying over with no sound whatsoever. Man

(01:06:37):
me growing up, you know, I wanted to be a
fighter pilot, so it was basically I knew everything about
planes and stuff like that, so you know, I knew
I had to make it. It had to be making
a sound if it was anything, when I presume is
man made. But yeah, there's no sound whatsoever and nothing

(01:06:57):
showing any form of you know, propulsion, just you know,
your typical black triangles, the three lights at each corner
and that that red light thing, that figure eight in
the middle.

Speaker 4 (01:07:09):
I know it was a long time ago, but how
how big would you have? Said? This object?

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
Was the distance like that from us? Like I said,
I have to say it'd be at least sixty to
seventy feet in length, possibly possibly larger either, Yeah, either
sixty seventy to possibly the size that's probably like a
small airliner, so you know, at most maybe one hundred feet.
But it was I mean, for I know, a lot

(01:07:33):
of people have you know, seen sightings and said like, all,
this was about twenty thirty feet, like, no, this thing
was pretty good size. That's one I can remember. It was.
It was fairly large because we first said it was
possibly a chinook and a chinook it's about sixty feet
or so in length.

Speaker 4 (01:07:50):
Yes, it was a good sized triangle then, yeah, yeah,
I mean during that time, you know, there was there
were so many mass sightings of these triangles, you know,
towards the late eighties and nineties, so many, so many
mass sightings.

Speaker 3 (01:08:04):
Yeah, I mean that's yeah. I mean at the time,
like this is my nerd airplane hack coming on. You know,
at the time you had like the F one seventeen.
You know, I think this is from this happened. I
think this is just the fool like gold course that
would still be somewhat secret, and you've got stuff like
you know, like the Blackbird. You know, if you look

(01:08:26):
at that that has a distinctive triangle shape, but it
wouldn't be flying down loads at the ground, and you
definitely hear it if it flew over Yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (01:08:34):
Agree, you wouldn't be flying that low the high altitude
on it aos blackbirds.

Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:08:39):
And your daughter, so she was four five years old
when she's had the sight in on your on her
mother's ranch.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
Yes, Like I was recently talking to her about it,
because you know, she's growing up. You know, she took
after me. She was a little bit of weird and uh,
you know, weird stuff. And where we lived right across
the backyard, like the neighbors know, they were fairly quiet
because it was a graveyard.

Speaker 4 (01:09:02):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
She talked about, you know, her friends in the graveyard
and stuff like that. And you know, I had a
birthday party for her and a friend of her came
over and she was having a conversation with my daughter
in my daughter's room, and I remember my friend came
out and she's like, I don't know what's going on
or she's been doing the whole time. It's talking about

(01:09:23):
ghosts and spirits. She's freaking me out. I don't know
what's going on. So, you know, I don't I don't
know if it's just she has had a really vivid
imagination like this young young kids, you know they so
maybe she saw stuff like, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:09:38):
That's where she gets it from.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
Yeah, I thank you guy. She's she's a chip off
the old block. Oh there's I just remember one more
thing that that's happened. It's kind of interesting and involved
my my father is he passed away about ten years ago.
And I remember this that it was about about two

(01:10:00):
or three years ago. I got a call from my
brother because my brother still lives with my mom at home,
and my dad he passed away at home, and at
the at that time, about two three years ago, they
were kind of they bought a new display cabinet or
the living room. My dad he was cremated, so the
ashes are there at the house. It was on top

(01:10:21):
of the old cabinet they had in the living room
and they were replacing it with a new one, a
bigger one, and they had these nice fancy glass doors
and stuff like that. So they decided, oh, we'll put
my father's ashes inside this nice decreative cabinet, you know,
close it up so all looking nice and stuff. And

(01:10:41):
he said that night, I love if you remember years ago,
those there's a fad of these little animatronic like hamsters
that would sing stupid songs like everybody's come clue fighting.
They have like a pair of numb trucks that would
spin around. It was it was. It was something like that,
except it was a Scooby Doo and my actually my

(01:11:02):
dad got it from my mom at the time. Thats
like a little cheesy Valentine's Day gift and it was
Scooby Doo that they was singing some cheesy love song.
A camera what it was. But it was in the
computer cabinet with my dad, which spent a lot of
time at the last few years of his life. And
my brother was saying, you know, they were they were

(01:11:22):
asleep and it was probably about he said, about just
after midnight, and all of a sudden they hear something
that will come up when they're wondering what the heck
that is, and you know, they get up, get out
of the bedroom. They're walking into the living room and
they noticed that it's that Scooby Doo singing and that
thing hasn't gone off in like years. That thing's hidden

(01:11:45):
away in this like computer cabinet, collecting dust and everything.
So it's their singing. So my brother turns it off,
like Okay, that's weird, puts it back and they go
back to you know, my mom and brother go back
to sleep, and he says, about an hour later, start
hearing stuff again and they're like, what the heck and
they get up. They get out again and yep, it's

(01:12:05):
Scooby Doo again singing, and that's who. My brother's like, okay, Dad,
So he turned Scooby Doo off, you walk. He went
to that new cabinet, opened up the little decorative doors,
took my dad dashes out and put it back on
top of the cabinet like he was on the old
cabinet at the replaced. So obviously my dad didn't like

(01:12:27):
being put basically locked away inside somewhere. He wanted to
be back on top of the cabinet. I guess, you know,
being like a part of the family type of thing.
So I thought that that was that was a bit
of a strange experience for them and nice.

Speaker 4 (01:12:41):
As well, you know, I mean it's I mean, yeah,
it makes complete sense. You could say, as it's a coincidence,
you know that the little mechanism triggered or the batteries
were you know, still a bit of life in them,
But I wouldn't say it's you know, I would say
it is more than lightly that. You know, your dad
didn't want to be left in that cup but he
wanted to be where it was originally, where he can

(01:13:01):
watch over, you know, be a part of the family.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
Yeah. So my brother, it's like, yeah, and it hasn't
like put his ashes back on top of the cabinet
and but everything was quiet, you know, it hasn't. You know,
nothing's gone off since so and.

Speaker 4 (01:13:15):
It probably won't do to you pop them in the
cupboard again.

Speaker 3 (01:13:17):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:13:19):
You know, our past loved ones they do come back
and visit. You know, they are around us. They don't
always make their presence known. They are obviously on this show.
They do in a lot of cases. Sometimes it can
be a very small thing. Other times it can be
you know, a little bit bigger, like you know, like
your father did. Yeah, they're still around, and it's something
you know, when we pass, we will do the same

(01:13:41):
things to our loved ones.

Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
Exactly. Every want you know, them to know that we're here.
If if it's large or small, we'll do a little
something to let them know.

Speaker 4 (01:13:49):
Yeah. Absolutely, Jason, I really appreciate you coming on and
sharing that for our listeners.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
Yeah, no problem man, Yeah, I enjoyed being on your show.

Speaker 4 (01:13:56):
Good stuff, Jason's been great speaking to you today, right,
Enjoy the rest to your day. Keep in contact and
I'll talk to you soon. Have a good night, yeah
YouTube Jason, take care all right. That is all for today.
Keep updated and connected with a show on Twitter, Facebook
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would like to share on the podcast, you can email

(01:14:16):
me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com, or you
can reach out to me via the contact page on
my website at UFO Chronicles podcast dot com. A big
thank you to Michael and Jason for sharing tonight, and
as always, thank you all for listening. I will be
back next week. Till then, stay safe and keep watching

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