Ep.200 The Cloud Forest (Throwback)

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We start this episode with a witness submission from Sergio in Portugal, and the Vision he had on the morning of September 11th 2001. Then we hear from Mimtea in Australia, about her paranormal experiences on her travels in Colombia, Ireland, China, and Australia.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:01):
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don't want to report every thirty one. Do you wish
to report a.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
UFO over hey, we want to one of.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
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report of any kind of it? I wouldn't know what
kind of reports clouds.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
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it was anybody above us to pass us, Like thirty.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
Seconds ago, we were sending one top of golf negative, okay,
OFFI the UFO.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah it's murder two nine o'clock.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Yes, I'll just passed over God. I don't know what
it was, but it's from at least to three thousand
feet above us.

Speaker 4 (00:47):
See, I passed out.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
Over the top of us.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
Ninety one one.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
You just called both to be be four.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
They're after staying the airplanes?

Speaker 3 (01:00):
He where to God on an unidentified object? Every liberty
or call or calm on an unidentified flying object.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share
their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had
an encounter, I would like to be on the show.
You can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com.

(01:48):
Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. Wherever in the
world you are listening from, how are you all? We
start off this episode with a witness submission from Sergio
in Portugal and a vision he had on the morning
of September the eleventh, two thousand and one. Then we
hear from Minty in Australia about her paranormal experiences on

(02:09):
her travels in Columbia, Ireland, China and Australia. If you
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(02:31):
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Speaker 2 (03:00):
And etcetera. And here goes my story.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
On eleven of September two thousand and one, I was
going to work around eight thirty in the morning and
by train. I had to drive, well, I had to
go to our city by train. It was about forty
five minutes distance. At age thirty in the morning, I

(03:26):
was sitting by the window on the train and the
sun came up and just hit me in the face.
And then I had a strange vision of a phantom
A four fighter going against the Statue of Liberty in
New York. I said to me, well, that's a strange idea,

(03:47):
that's a stupid sort.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Then I continue on my way to work. At around
twelve thirty or around one pm.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Local time, our local time, I was told by a
colleague of mind that a plane went against two towers
in New York, and I immediately recalled the vision or
the scene that came up to my mind a few
hours ago. It was September eleventh, two thousand and one.

(04:22):
And what I found strange is that I had that vision,
let's call it vision, five hours before the planes hit
the twin towers. I live in Portugal, Lisbon at the
times on the differences around five hours in New York.
It was a strange coincidence that idea I had that

(04:48):
it wasn't any I saw the plane. You should call
it a well, we can call it a vision because
I saw the plane going against the Statue of Liberty,
a Phantom four Vietnam Fighter period, like something telling me
that a US plane went went against their most known statue.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
All over the world. And that's it.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
That's my story of September eleven, two thousand and one,
that happened to me, and it's personal.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
So have a nice evening, right, Hello, Minty, welcome to
the podcast, hy Nick.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
It's lovely to be on the show and.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
It's great to have you with us. And you're calling
from Brisbane, Australia.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
Yes, a little bit chilly.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
Brisbane is a lovely part of the world. Now you
have some paranormal experiences. Would you like to start at
the beginning, please, ma'am.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
So years ago, there's probably that two thousand and four,
I was living with my daughter and my husband high
up in the Andes above Bogata, which is the capital
of Columbia. So bogatas about ten million people and it's
two thy six hundred meters above sea level, so it's
you know, it's quite high and people who visit the

(06:10):
city often get altitude sickness. Well, where we were living
was another six hundred odd meters above that, so right
in the Andes, in what they call the cloud forests
above Bogota, so about three two hundred meters quite cold,
quite chilled atmosphere, but quite pure as well because you're

(06:32):
quite high up and with higher altitudes you get a
crisper atmosphere. Very beautiful in that part of the Andes
because it's still fairly forested and with original forests as well.
Now I won't mention the name of where we lived
because it might identify what I'm about to tell you,

(06:57):
and I'd rather not do that. And you'll understand by
the end of the story as to why I don't
want to do that. So living in this area above
Bogata was free of all that reflective glow from a
very large city, so quite glorious at night, and you
could appreciate the brilliance of stars, and the sky was

(07:17):
often clear of cloud and there were mountains all around,
and sometimes you would get these incredible electrical storms during
a three sixty around you as you watch them. So
up in this area, my daughter was still going to
high school at the time, so I'd often walk or
drive to the main part to the main road, which

(07:40):
is where the conjunto or gated community started, and you know,
you talk to people or pick up people along the
way who needed a lift, and they'd reciprocate the favor.
And it was a nice community, all sorts of different
people living there, so the properties were quite large with
how you got to know people. So there was one

(08:03):
particular neighbor, Paro, an elderly woman who didn't own a car.
She didn't own pretty much anything. She lived in a
very tiny house with her small head of dairy cattle
which she milked every day, and she was a minimalist.
She always said, you know what I don't have, I
don't need. She always wore a rouana or poncho with

(08:25):
gum boots and sort of a beanie on her head,
and when she needed something, she titched into town and
we were often the only ones who picked her up
because she was a bit smelly, because she smelt like
cow's milk, old cow's milk, because she was a milk lady. Yeah,
so we'd chat to her.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Now.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
She owned very large ways of one side of the mountains,
and on the other side of the mountains was her
sister who owned the other side. So this area was
what you call the cloud forests in that area. So
a section of them out in the really high part
was ancient, ancient forest and usually completely covered in clouds

(09:11):
so you could barely see it. A beautiful, beautiful area.
So remembering we're up at threey two hundred meters and
it's quite chilly, and it's very steep, this was the
environment that we were living in, very beautiful. We had
saved a local dog from a dog attack. His name

(09:34):
was Caliche. Now he belonged to someone else, we don't
know who they were, but he became very loyal to
us because we looked after him and saved him. Now,
he was a bit of a like a little demon.
He was a black dog, quite demonic. He had dark,
cold eyes. But he loved us and he followed us everywhere.
And his companion, Simon, another male dog, used to come too.

(09:58):
So we'd often wander around and Paro's property. She let
us do that and throw sticks in the local dams
and you know, pick flowers and roll down hills and
you know, just enjoy the environment. And we'd often go
to the local quarry where over centuries, essentially people had

(10:21):
quarried stone for their houses, so up around the quarry
was always a beautiful spot to watch storms or the
brilliance of the stars at night, or to watch the
clouds kind of fleet over the top of the andes.
We were living, so the dogs weren't keen on the
top of the quarry. They never came with us at night.
They'd sit further down and wait for us to come back.

(10:45):
One night, our usual visit to the quarry, we were
blind struck by this light high up past down Paro's house,
at the edge of the cow paddocks, where the cow
paddocks met the cloud forest. Essentially there was a light.

(11:07):
Now this light was enormous. It's like a stadium light,
like a bunch of hallogen lights, huge and strong. Now,
there were no roads up there. There was you know,
even our Paris house didn't have a roadway to her house.
She walked through the paddocks. There were no roads up there.

(11:27):
There was no way any kind of construction light could
have gone up there, and for what purpose anyway, It
was private property. So this light was huge. It blew
our minds. What is that light up there in a
cow paddock below the cloud forest? What was it? The

(11:47):
first night we saw my husband and nun who is
Columbian born and knows the stories, realized what the light was.
Now they say that the Whisker or indigenous people of
the Andes chip Jar Whisker, has allowed the lights to appear.

(12:11):
Two people to advertise the presence of treasures now because
the Spaniards came and slaughtered so many peoples on Whisker
and the Chipchu, the main gold productions tribes of the Andes,
and they still exist, they're still around. They buried a

(12:32):
lot of their treasures, gold gems, ceremonial treasures. They put
them in pots, usually so ceramic type pots about the
size of I don't know, like a kitchen bin, like
it would have a small kitchen bin, and they would
steal them and then bury them to avoid the Spaniards

(12:57):
stealing them. They did so they're very in really dangerous
places or not so obvious places or places where people
just wouldn't want to go. And usually on top of
them they would put a heavy stone, usually very flattened,
very smooth, and with a mark or word engraved in

(13:18):
one of the corners. So this is what is known
as the waka. The waka is a receptacle which holds
all of these treasures and these genuine things. Now national
Colombian law has protected these antiquities, pre Columbian antiquities, but

(13:41):
of course there's always people who want to seal essentially right,
so they became so they've become so valuable over time.
Finding a worker can make you a millionaire tomorrow. So
to get century after century of jakeros or antiquity thieves
or robbers who have gained huge wealth hunting them down.

(14:06):
So to be a juakio you need to be pretty
brave and to understand how to locate these things. So
bacos they visit small towns and they asked around if
anyone seen strange lights or unusual things have happened, and
then they follow that and then of course they've plunder

(14:28):
these pre Columbian artifacts and sell them on the black market.
A lot of people willing to pay for these things
illegally and internationally. So when I and my husband said,
you know, this light is the light of the waka,
some whisk of people are telling us that there's a

(14:48):
waka here, and we said nothing, of course, because to
even speak about that sort of thing in public to
brings of jak who would defile the place. You see
what I mean. That was every nightful weeks we watched
the same bright light from the top of the quarry,
you know, marveling at how could that keept it? That's ridiculous,

(15:12):
how could that happen? Stop there in a cow paddock.
And then finally curiosity got the best of us and
we thought maybe during daylight hours we should go to
have a look. That's out of curiosity, so we grabbed
a bolive water, we set up up parows steeply inclined paddocks,
and to lead chance him on. The two dogs, of

(15:33):
course came with us because they were always ready to
walk with us. And then when we reached the tree
line above above and Paro's tiny little one room cottage,
we stopped to have a look at the valley below
the valley beyond, and there were so many wild flowers
in the grass, and two enormous old pine trees stood really,

(15:56):
really tall, as if guarding the entrance to this ancient
name forests. We were about to enter this cloud forest,
which was above the sky in a way. So we
ventured into this really thick forest and they were quickly.
It became quite confusing and disorienting. It's almost as if

(16:17):
the ground and trees merged into one mass, and there
was not much to distinguish sky from earth. And we
were clambering up with and at some point we couldn't
walk anymore. We had to crawl. So the moss was
so thick beneath our feet. It was spongy and interwoven

(16:38):
with like and resembled kind of an old man's beard.
It was beautiful and soft, and our daughter was the
first one to notice the depth of the moss though.
She pointed to where her foot had trodden, and the
moss breathed itself back into place. Then we noticed, as
we're crawling up into this ancient forest that dogs, the

(17:01):
dogs were whimpering. It turned around us in time to
see him on the younger one, heading off back down
the hills, leaving the forest. So then we're kind of struck. Okay,
we're walking, crawling into this kind of oval ovally enormous
ancient forest, and everything was interwoven branches, and it hit

(17:27):
us that we weren't really on Earth anymore. We had
left Earth in the sense of dirt and soils. We'd
left Earth behind it. We were kind of suspended inside
thistle web of trees and tree branches which had created
their own forest floor, and in between the spaces of

(17:47):
the branches was this incredibly thick and sponging moss. So
we still had Calicho with us, you know, the old
demonic dog was still with us, but he definitely wasn't comfortable.
So we sat down on you know, this heavy matt
of like and a moss to share a bottle of water,

(18:12):
and we leant against the bowl of an enormous old
tree trunk. It was dark and kind of smooth and shining,
and there were elevated roots thrusting outwards from this kind
of fake forest for this mossy floor, and different colors
that were listening with you know, this constant moisture from
the clouds, and we found ourselves speaking very quietly. It's

(18:38):
almost like the forest, this ancient forest, consumes the sound.
So Kolyche was really anxious and we gave him some
water he wouldn't drink, and then, without warning, which put
chills up us, Calicho let out sudden how long how
and we froze. Before we could look at each other,

(18:58):
Calycho had gone. He just runs, And so it was
at that point where we agreed, okay, it's a good
time to leave. So we were pushing ourselves up, and
as I pushed myself up to go, my hand entered
a space in the multi floor at the base of
this tree as the bowl of the tree. And then
there was a cold sentation on my hands and it

(19:22):
felt like stone. So my husband and daughter noticed it,
so they crawled back the hell look and were whispering
at this stage, and then there was this rush of excitement.
It hit us all maybe this was actually a waker.
Maybe we had found something, maybe we had found ancient

(19:42):
whisker treasure. So we all stirred up and and hung
about the small openings at the base of this tree.
And I'm pulled away a little bit of moss and
exposed the corner of a stone, and it was a
smooth so it was smooth, and the edges were squarish,

(20:03):
and there was a mark of a triangle etched in
the upsight right hand corner of the stone. So he
hit us. And then the fact that this was more
likely a waker actually terrified me. Even telling the tale now,
kind of I get that fear in me that we

(20:26):
were on the verge of doing something very wrong. And
then from down in the valley, as if a second
warning was coming through Tadicha, the dog was howling. We
could hear him howling as if to say believe now.
So without thinking, I just knew. I just knew that
to move the worker, to move the stone, to do

(20:49):
anything there would be to defile the whisker lore of
the area, and we'd bring about ruination and unhappiness. I
think to everyone around us now that is part of
the worker the tail. If you talk to Colombians, they
will say anyone who's found a worker, their life is
a misery afterwards, because the the filed the indigenous grounds,

(21:11):
they should have left at rest the wakers. You know,
you hear stories of famous wakos or antiquity thieves who
you know, make a massive fortune very quickly and then
die tragically in some you know, unexplained accidents. So the story,
you know, my feeling, my sense of uneagers about even

(21:31):
thinking about moving that stone, was backed by you know,
centuries of stories about ruination if you touch the wuka
of the indigenous people. So there was there was a
real panic in me, you know, and I was like
the dog, I yelled out in a way, how ignos,

(21:52):
we can't do this, And then there was this tooing
and throwing, a bit like the conquistadors probably had this
touring and throwing that whether the light, seeing the light
had given us the right to take the treasure that
was lying there, and if we didn't take it now,
then maybe the wakiros would come and they would take

(22:12):
it and then it would all be over. But to me,
the voice in my mind that was coming clearly through
was the voice of the whisk of people. They were saying,
the elders in my head were saying, leave the waka
in place, to leave it there. So in a way,

(22:33):
at the end of the day, we didn't become millionaires.
We left it, and then we's gore one and we
never returned to that forest. And when we left that area,
empire was still the guardian of the mountain. And we've
been very happy and we're doing well. We've had it,
And I don't know what would have happened if we'd
open up that hole and taken that pot of treasures.

(22:57):
I only know that same day, that night of that
same day, the light never shone again. We never saw
it again, and so the waka. I think hopefully and
I pray that the Wakah, the treasures of the whisk
of people is still there and hidden from the greed

(23:18):
of men in a way.

Speaker 4 (23:19):
Wow, that was like an old adventure that was it was, yes, and.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
I feel very privileged to have seen it and to
have been part of something like that.

Speaker 4 (23:29):
It makes you makes you wonder that when people do
see strange lights in the area, they don't talk about
them because they're worried that the antiquity thieves would want
to pick apart the area.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
Yeah, and this is centuries old tradition in Columbia that
if you do see something, you don't speak about it
unless you're about want to join, you know, the den
of robbers and make money out of it. But most
people know it's you know, it's it's prohibited in a
way to touch them. So you've got three elements. You've

(24:03):
got you know, the I guess, those promise of riches,
but also this sort of fear of disaster that will
follow plast You've got national Colombian laws which prohibit you
taking indigenous treasures and certainly not selling them. They have
to be returned to the government and returned to the

(24:24):
indigenous people, so there's no way you can benefit financially
from this anyway. And the stories are so strong about
ruination that people will not mention the fact that they've
seen unusual things for fear of it either bringing the
wacos or thieves there or you know, bringing disaster on themselves.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
Yeah, so we certainly understand why you not want to
give the location away. And anyone who's thinking about emailing
me to try and get the location, don't bother. Minty's
lips are sealed.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
Thank you Nikki for protecting them with the treasure.

Speaker 4 (25:07):
It's too risky. It's too risky, and I suppose people
do go after it, not believing in the superstition and stuff,
but it's just not worth it, is it. Money isn't everything?

Speaker 3 (25:17):
No, And you know there are there are catalogs of
stories about people who've done such things, and you know
disaster strikes them. So at the end of the day,
you probably don't have enough time to enjoy your treasures anyway,
because you know, death and distraction is just around the corner.

Speaker 4 (25:35):
It's like the old Egyptian curses. Isn't it open up
the tombs?

Speaker 3 (25:38):
It very much is, and if you do read some
of the chronicles of you know, famous Wakeros or antiquity. See,
you know, their lives are very troubled.

Speaker 4 (25:49):
So do you think they were the lights were telling.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
You to go there?

Speaker 3 (25:53):
Yes, And that's very much out of you know, Colombian
indigenous history. If you these for light, I guess you've
got two choices. That is to protect and defense and
the other is to steal and lose in a way.
And again this is chronicled through you know, many people's stories.

(26:15):
After this all happened to us, I started to read
up on the stories of you know, quack us and lights,
especially the lights that people are shown in a way
by indigenous ancestors. Yeah, like midmen lights, I guess in Australia,
which you've probably heard of course. Yeah, there's different theories

(26:37):
about those as well.

Speaker 4 (26:38):
It could be like a test then, yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
Yeah, they say that that intense light, you know, like
the lights we had seen very much associated with indigenous law,
so especially in Colombia. And I guess you know, in
a way it kind of makes sense. You know, it's
almost like the ancestors returning to you read this kind

(27:02):
of divine choice, which way will you go the test.

Speaker 4 (27:08):
The test, well, you certainly did the right thing. That's fascinating,
as I'm going to look into that. That's really interesting.
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to take us next?

Speaker 3 (28:33):
Oh, I'd love to take you to China. I lived
in China for a bit too, so yeah, if you
don't mind, Nick, that would be lovely.

Speaker 4 (28:41):
Yep, that'd be great across to the Orient.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
So the first time I was in China, I lived
there in nineteen eighty. That's a long time ago, and
especially at that time, we have to remember it. It
only had been four years since now they dongersize. So
the country very back then wasn't the countries that we
know of today. You know, very advanced today, and you know,

(29:07):
there's very little poverty, a lot of you know, very
big middle class. But in the days that I was
there initially in nineteen eighty, it was a very different place,
and there was a lot of poverty and a lot
of you know, a lot of communes. People certainly didn't
have private property at that time. That came about nineteen
eighty five, the changes. So when I was traveling around

(29:31):
a bit, I decided I wanted to go to the
birthplace of Confucius. So Confucius was a real person, of course,
and he was born and he died and is buried
in a place called Tufu. His tomb is often really
a place of veneration, and it's located in the forest

(29:53):
of the Kong family, who were part of a gymnastic
family at that period. So walk through these beautiful, spoiling
gardens and see the Kong family monuments and cemetery. But
you can see in post Mao China in nineteen eighty,
I was an unusual site because there won't many foreigners

(30:13):
in China, and back then tu Fu wasn't a big
town like it is today a big city. It was
really a really and I went to see this famous tomb,
and I stayed in the only accommodation which was extremely
restricted to foreigners. The only accommodation available to foreigners which
the kungs of mount mansions, and that's of several streets

(30:36):
away from the main area. So I stayed in the
older section of the Ming dynasty sections. Now, if I
can paint a picture of Chufu. In those days, you know,
people had bicycles, there were no cars, and people would
put mats of corn and stuff, you know, grains out
on the street and then ride their carts over them

(30:58):
to crush it, so it was milled on the street.
And you know, things are very very basic, so for
a foreigner like me to be in the middle of
this village was quite unusual. But there I was in
this very run down Ming dynasty mansions filling to the
Kong family, and the gardens had gone wild, and there

(31:19):
was a large tilled area in the gardens where someone
was actually planting out corn and vegetables to grow. So
in the evening there was only me and a Canadian
guy who was taking dinner in the enormous dining hall.
You can imagine, very large, wealthy Ming dynasty family had
a huge dining hall. So there we were the tools

(31:40):
us having dinner in this huge dining hall from the
vegetables that had been growing in the overgrowing courtyard. So
the courtyard was enormous. It took several minutes across it,
and the chef, who was also the dishwasher and everything else,
gave me that night, because it was cold, a small
alcohol fueled lantern to get me to my room across

(32:01):
the way. So the room itself had really had very
little alteration over the centuries, really probably just to patch
up leaks and hang up communist posters. The floors of
the Ming dynasty never actually met the wall, so there's
always a gap between the floor and the wall in

(32:21):
Mingdynasty rooms, and it's very uniquely Chinese design. It allows
really easy cleaning by flooding or sweeping stuff out from
the stone floor with water and sweeping it out onto
the stone drains into the courtyard. So you've always got
this gap between the walls. So you can imagine in
winter it's quite cold. My room was tiny, with just

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enough space for a single bed and a night table
where I put my lantern and a tiny traveling crop
which I always carried with me. So it was winter
and freezing. There was snow falling every night, and it
floated into the room through these spaces between the wall
and the floor, and my feather quilts, you know, did

(33:02):
the job. I slept really well, but I was awoken,
I don't know what time it was by the sound
of footsteps and voices. I kind of, you know, woke
myself up. These voices are whispering, and there were soft
footsteps on the stones outside my door. When I sat
up in bed and I saw in the space between

(33:23):
the wall and the floor I got out of bed
to have a look the feet of people passing, because
I thought a lot of people, wherever they all come from,
maybe I should open the door. And I was a
little bit scared. While I'm on my own, what should
I do? So it was I could see the feet
of people passing, but there were lights, and there were

(33:44):
shadows and flickering lights as if it was a lantern.
They were carrying lanterns and possibly not modern ones. So
then I noticed the feet and I was blown away.
I kind of really leapt out of bed at this point,
you know, threw everything back, got on my knees, and

(34:04):
looked upside down to see whose feet to which people
to it belonged With such a solitary place I was
staying at this point of the night and it was freezing.
Who were they? Then I realized the feet were beautifully
shoot elaborate shoes, very fine embroidery, reminiscent of the Ming dynasty.

(34:25):
And I knew my Chinese history. That's why I was there.
I was studying Ming and Chin paintings in the galleries
around Shanghai and Faiching. But the feet was so small
and they here's the trick they were bound feet, and
that meant women of wealth, and that meant not women
of the Communist period, so the period before or even

(34:48):
before that, So these were not the feet of living people.
The hems of their gowns were richly embroidered with gilt
edging and pink, and these flowers, and their voices were hushed,
and they laughed lightly, as if they were talking about
something that had happened in the main hall or during

(35:10):
that night, or perhaps they were going to meet illicit lovers.
I don't know. But their Chinese words were ancient, and
I knew because in that point in time I was
fluent in Mandarin, and the way they spoke was ancient,
the words they were using, and they were so hushed.
Everything was hushed, and the lanterns were flickering, and they

(35:31):
were gone. So I was still kind of hanging upside
down on my knee, looking through this space between the
wall and the floors, the stone floors, of this drift
of snow coming in, and I was shocked, and it
hit me, and then it hit me hard that I
had just been trivy to apparitions from four hundred years ago,

(35:56):
or maybe even more from the style of the shoe
and the style of their dress. And I was shocked,
more than frightened, because I looked over at my clock
face and I crawled over to have a look us.
All the time. It was three o three in the morning,
and it chilled me. Then it hit me the cold.
I was out of bed. It was hardly anything on.

(36:17):
I let back into bed, and of course I woke
up long after dawn. But then how did I explain this?
So I don't know how I explained it. So I
took breakfast in the main hall and the Canadian had left,
and I tossed up the idea of whether I should
ask the cheff who was also the dishwasher or anyone
else who lived there to clean who was cleaning the rooms,

(36:37):
that they ever heard or seen of anything unusual in
the courtyards. So I thought, oh, well, this is during
the communist period. Maybe I should be very careful what
I say. It would be a difficult question to ask
people who were generally pretty guarded, especially around foreignism. Maybe
I shouldn't say anything, but I did, and the chef dishwasher,

(36:59):
he laughed out and he smiled at me with that
kind of smile, and he said to me. We get
so many visitors just like that. So that was an
obstuous way of saying, yes, I know what he saw
other people I had seen him. It wasn't my imagination.
And when I think now, you know, i've been to

(37:20):
two Foocent, it's a very changed place. You know, they
pulled down the mansions, the hotels and the fancy restaurants
are still there. I'd still like to think that those
Ming women, you know, those wealthy women from the court
of the Kong family, were still wandering on the compounds
somewhere there, whispering and gossiping in the early hours of

(37:41):
morning and the lights fluttering around in the cold winds.
That's what I'd like to think. They're still there.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
That is amazing experience. That is wonderful to be priory
to something like that. I was very lucky, of course.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (37:58):
They stopped band and the feet long long, long time ago.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
Yes, And I think from the star. Because I had
been studying Chinese Ching and Ming dynasty art, I had
been able to kind of peg the period that see,
you know, the design of the flowers, the gold around
the shoes, and the hems of their addresses was possibly men. Yeah,

(38:22):
and flown away. I'm so lucky. And again, you know,
I apparitions and I've had lots of experiences that don't
scare me because you know, it's a privilege to be
able to see things like this and to be able
to tell the tale. You know, I'm very lucky.

Speaker 4 (38:38):
And this was in nineteen eighty, yeah, a long time
ago now, nineteen eighty Yes, of course it's a very
different place now. I never I never managed to get
to China. I've been to Hong Kong, but never never China.
I've always wanted to go though.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
It's a wonderful country, and I've been lucky enough to
go many times and see how it's changed those times.
I mean the truetho of today, the city is a
city now, there's no way you would see any of that.
I just hoped the you know, the spirits are still
around there and wandering somewhere, maybe in the cemetery for

(39:13):
where Confucius is vuried.

Speaker 4 (39:17):
Yeah, I'm sure that the ladies are still wandering around
and got a bin. That's wonderful.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
They did make me smile, They did make me smile.

Speaker 4 (39:29):
We did say we get visitors, yes, like it was nothing.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
Yeah, so for me, it is a very Chinese way
of speaking. It wasn't a direct yet, but it was
a confirmation in an affirmation that yes they're here.

Speaker 4 (39:45):
Yeah he said it all that's wonderful. Well, thank you
for that love that one. Are we going to go
to the Emerald Ale next?

Speaker 3 (39:53):
I you want to go to Ireland?

Speaker 4 (39:55):
We sure do. We have lots of listeners in Ireland.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
Oh, terrific. Yeah, Okay, now this one, this particular event
happened in New Grange. I don't know if people know
much about New Grange, but it's an ancient site in
Ireland and it's often associated with very riches rituals that
I guess has really it's a bit contentious. You know,

(40:21):
when people talk about New Grange, there's a whole lot
of archaeology. One side of archaeology that says he has
it's a burial site. But as we know from you know,
the rethinking of archaeology, it may not have been. It
may have been something quite different, as they're discovering about
many ancient sites around the world. So this is in

(40:42):
Northeast Ireland, like the Republic of Ireland, and amazing site.
It's older than the Egyptian pyramids, and its design is
indicates really it was a it was a product of
a highly sophisticated and really cohesive society. Other than that,
not much else is known. What we do know, I
think is really speculative. It's not I don't think we

(41:07):
know anything for sure. And I wish in a way
that some spirits had visited me there, but in a
way they kind of did. So. I was with my
sister and my daughter and we were traveling around island
in the nineteen nineties. We were determined to see Neu Grange.
You know, I'm determined to see ancient sites wherever I am.
So the site itself is physically spectacular. When you see it.

(41:31):
There's a high mound over a long sloping grassy field,
and then at the top of it is this incredible
construction which is also covered in grass, so the roof
of this is covered in grass. So you've got this
sloping mound to this incredible rock and stone round circular

(41:52):
construction which is then covered in grass. So it's then hedged.
The whole area is hedged via the rowan tree and
it's been carefully to period over time into box hedges
and then interconnectives and there's high wooden fences and that's
where the break in the Rowan tree hedges actually occurs.

(42:14):
You can walk through into the sight and as you know,
the Rowan is a sacred tree to the ancients of
Northern Europe, and it's spectacularly ordinary in a way. It's
an evergreen tree, but it has small maroon colored fruit
that shaped a little bit like miniature apples that grow

(42:36):
on it in summer. And we were there in summer,
and I'd read a lot of the laws of Northern
Europe and I was aware that of the Rowan trees
power and thinking this, I thought, oh, pauty, you know,
being a dreadful Australian, I plucked off three of the
berries and I put them into the deepest pocket in
my heavy jackets. And I think that was my first mistake,

(43:00):
one thing I shouldn't have done. The second one was
then to go on to onto the compulsory cultural tour.
And then there's a small group of eight people are
escorted into the main chamber of New Grange, which is
deep inside this our stone construction. The guide was really

(43:21):
lovely and they told the story of you know, the
current theory about the place. But as we walked further
into the chamber, which it goes slopes downwards at a
slight angle. It slopes downwards and it catches the light
from the entrance, and so at one point the light
from the front entrance disappears, and then the guide has

(43:41):
to turn on sort of miniature lights to line our
way into the core of this. You know, what they
claim is a burial chamber. And there's a smell of
soil everywhere. It's over your head and it's impressive. It's
like the one olfactory memory have today. I can actually

(44:01):
smell that soil as entering into this chamber. But the
moment I entered this wholeway into the main chamber, there
was like a buzzing of a thousand bees in my
head and I asked my sister. I asked my daughter,
can you hear that? And they hadn't heard it. And
then I realized, you know, I think I've done something

(44:23):
wrong because only I'm hearing this intense buzzing in my
ears like bees. It was like bees, and I'm allergic
to bees. They're they're not my friends. I love them,
but they're not my friends. So I knew these bees
were being aggressive for a reason, and it hit me
straight away. Here I was being punished for taking the

(44:45):
rowan tree fruit now in my pocket. So it's kind
of an elegant way to punish me because I wasn't
supposed to be taking them. My intention was to bring
them back to Australia, very bad and plants. I'm here.
Obviously that wasn't to happen. I was really quite frightened,
and then I had a huge sense of guilt awakened

(45:09):
in me. And then I knew straight away I had
to return the role and see to the place where
I'd actually stolen them. But I was obliged to continue
the tour, so down into this chamber, and the further
I went, the more furious buzzing became in my head.
And she was the guide was giving this speel about
the winter solstice. So in the northern Hemisphere, in the

(45:29):
time closest to the end of the year, when the
night's longer than the day, the dawn light of the
solstice pierces to the center chamber of New Grange for
seventeen seconds and no longer seventeen seconds every solstice. That's incredible.
So she's telling me this story. Meanwhile, the buzzing is

(45:51):
happening in my head, and I'm staying to per fire,
and I'm not knowing what's happening. I need to get
outside and get rid of his fruit from the role.
Win seemed like an eternity. But finally we came outside,
and my sister and my daughter and probably the rest
of the group looked on me curiously as home ran
ran like a deer to the closest part of the

(46:13):
row and heads, and with a great care, tossed all
those fruits back into the leaves. And the moment the
seeds left my hand, the moment I left my hands
above and stopped, and I was calm, against completely stopped.
So when I were told the experience, a lot of
people made fun at my expense. But there it is.

(46:36):
It is what happened. So I guess for me, the
lesson of the gods is one firmly edged into my mind.
So since that day, a near graine that I have
taken great care to take nothing from any sacred place,
and to never even unwittingly take anything that belongs there.

Speaker 4 (46:56):
That's absolutely right. I always respect the ancient sites. Always.
Anyone that knows anything to do with your cult. The
Rowan tree that you know that the barriers it protects,
I think it protects against black magic and witchcraft and
that kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
Okay, all right, so I was on the right track order.
The buzzing was making me follow the right track exactly.

Speaker 4 (47:21):
It makes plain sense.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
It was neo.

Speaker 4 (47:22):
I think it was neoglyphic New Grange, wasn't it. Yes,
it is.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
It is such an ancient site. I think it's close
to seven thousand years old, am I right? Something like that?
An incredible sight to behold, and given the fact that
it's part of a network grange it's in a way
so if you see it from the sky, there's much

(47:46):
more than what we're seeing on the ground, of course.

Speaker 4 (47:49):
Yeah, and all the chambers in that fantastic I think
that's what It's north of Dublin, isn't it. It is? Yeah,
very beautiful, very beautiful. And if ever over that way,
I'll pop a visit there. I never never got there.
I do like the old sites.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
Well, don't take any Rowan Tracy.

Speaker 4 (48:06):
No, No, don't do that, and sheally it reminds me
of it. I had a friend called Rob and he
was backpacking in Australia years ago, and he took a
piece of airs rock Laro sorry, yeah, and he he
took a piece of it and brought it back to
the UK and in a very short in a very
short space of time, he broke his leg, his girlfriend

(48:27):
left him, he lost his job, he was he was
kicked out of his house. So he posted that little
bit of rock all the way back to Australia.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
I really did, the ancient spoke.

Speaker 4 (48:42):
And that is something I've heard from various different locations
of the world. Never take anything that you shouldn't be taken.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
Yeah, absolutely, And everyone I think, you know globally should
come and see Ularo. It's just it's one of the
Seven Wonders, you know. Every time I see it, I cry.
It's so magnificent and so sacred and remarkably and strangely

(49:09):
dead center in this country. So it's very hard to
explain why it's there. And of course the peoples who
manage the park around it will tell you lots of
stories and about its sacredness.

Speaker 4 (49:24):
It's a wonderful place, all right, wonderful place and it
looks beautiful at sunset as well, with the lights and
the colors.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
Magnificent is spectacular. All of Central Australia spectacular. We were
out there again recently seen you know some of the
incredibly sacred spaces and gullies and creek pads and water
holes just outside Alice Springs, magnificent country.

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Speaker 4 (50:34):
Minty. Do you have any experiences from Australia.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
I do.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
I was going to give you one more from Amly
in Adelaide when I lived in Adelaide, if you don't.

Speaker 4 (50:45):
Mind be my guest.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
Thank you, Nick.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
So.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
I had a friend called Phil who was a geologist
and he was always renovating this spectacular old bluestone they
called it Bluestone House in Amley in Adelaide, which is
in the South of Australia. And I'm very old suburb
in terms of Australian white history. It's eighteen thirties it

(51:13):
was established. So some of the houses are spectac you know.
You know, they have pressed iron fireplaces and ceilings and
beautiful glasswork and the bluestone is quarried nearby. It's quite
spectacular and small verandas a beautiful, beautiful house. So he
was renovating his house and he was going away as

(51:36):
a geologist to the minefields as Kimberlys and remote places
in Western Australia, so a long way away. So he
was always looking for someone to mind the house for him.
So you know, this time I put my hand up.
Other times people other other friends puts up to look
after the house. So several weeks he'd be away for

(51:57):
several weeks. So you know, this time I said, sure,
I'll look after it for you. You know, make sure
I go over at least three times a week. Because
I had my own place and was living there, and
I had a little dog, little terry called Missy, and
she was my constant companion. She came with me always
to mind anybody's house where I stayed. And when Phil,

(52:19):
my mate, gave me the keys before he jumped into
the taxi and gave me a long list of instructions
to it all out to me. Okay, sorry, I forgot.
There's Fred, but don't worry about him. He's friendly. Signed.
I had heard Fred mention before at parties at Phil's place,
but I bushed it off as some kind of in joke.

(52:40):
I didn't know what it meant. So Phil winked at
me and then jumped in and took off. So I thought, Fred,
maybe he's a new type neighbor or something, and maybe
I'm going to come in contact with Fred and have
to deal with him. But he wasn't a neighbor, and
that's how I found out I was completely wrong. So
the first night to stay at Phil's place, let mes see.

(53:03):
Of course, my dog was with me, and she was
the one to notice something first. Before I even put
the key in the door, there was a shadow behind
the stained glass door, and I thought, well that thought,
and then I put the key in the door and
turned it and meanwhile Missy is whimpering and turning a

(53:24):
head from side to side, and I pushed the door open,
and as I entered, it was like a curtain of
electricity entered my body so I thought, trust there's something here,
and then missing My dog wouldn't come in until I
called her in, and then at some point I had
to lift her over the lynch in a way. So

(53:44):
that same night was the first of several nights when
I woke up obvious slyeping in Phil's best while I
was away with a four post beautiful bed in keeping
with the house itself. I woke up to a dark
shadow of a man standing at the footage bed. Again,
I'm not particularly perturbed by spirits, you know, I think

(54:08):
what scares me more and men with guns, but in
real life perhaps, But you know, spirits are there for
a reason, I guess. And there he was, standing tall
and didn't move. Missy was quite frightened. She crawled up
towards me, up towards my head, and when I went
to pat her and looked back again, he was gone.

(54:28):
So then I discovered who this notorious Fred was. I
assumed that's what film meant, so I took to letting
as I came into the house. I took to letting
Fred know that I was actually there and I had
the other out high Fred, hour was your day, and
made conversation as I turned the key in the front door,

(54:48):
and he always seemed please and pleased, and that kind
of electric current which passed through us on the first
night of entry, that lesson has disappeared, so he was
kind of pleased. I think there were a company in
a way, So I think Fred had been a sailor somehow.
I don't know why I thought that, But I often

(55:09):
smelt salt water really strongly, you know, the smell of
the sea in the house. But we were a long
way from the sea. Adelaide is on a golf but
not actually sea sea, so the smell of salt water
was really odd. So it didn't matter if there were

(55:30):
other people in the house, you know, I'd have friends
over and we'd have for dinner. Fred was always around,
So he was one of those spirits who made noises
in rooms in which you weren't. So if you were
in the kitchen, he would make noises. In the front
area where people ate, where by the open chimney, he'd

(55:54):
make noises like putting wood in the fire. So and
often people would say to me, if someone in the
front room, and I'd go, I know, that's Fred. And
if we were all in the front room by the fire.
You'd hear the drawers of the kitchen opening and shutting,
opening and shutting. If I was in the bedroom, we
could hear the shower running. That would be Fred. Also,

(56:16):
nothing was wet. If I was in the shower, I
could hear the door of the bedroom going. That was Fred's.
So I kind of got used to him and other people.
I guess, you know, I took it, took it on
the chin. I was quite surprised nobody was too scared
to ever come and visit. And Missy, my dog, actually
got used to him. And I was kind of sad

(56:39):
when Phil came back weeks later in a way that
I had to kind of give up this unusual house.

Speaker 4 (56:46):
Wonderful, how fascinating. Yeah, you've certainly got around a bit.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
Yeah, I've been lucky, lived in lots of unusual places,
and you know, there's a lot. I guess in a way,
I'm really lucky and privilege to have unusual things happened
to me. They don't bother me. Like I said, it's
not bothered by them. I just find them curious, and
they usually come out of the blue. And you've got

(57:15):
to a point where I just thought I've got so
many stories, I better put them into a book. So
I do have books where I put things, and I
usually give it to people terrify them. It's not terrifying
to me. It's almost like, you know, a second arm
of life, just the way you know there are other
things out there that then what we can touch and

(57:35):
see and smell the other things, of.

Speaker 4 (57:38):
Course there is. And I'm glad you've written all these
these accounts down as well. What's the name of your book.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
It's called Shadows Walking. It's you think at it. You
know the usual places, Amazon, et cetera. But yeah, I'll
put the link on the page of that Parkainic thinks.

Speaker 4 (57:56):
We will put it down below, and we're put on
the website as well so people can check out. And
I'm going to pick up a copy of it myself.
I love I love you. I love the accounts like that,
and wow, fascinating.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
Thank you so much, Nick.

Speaker 4 (58:10):
I love your show and I'm so glad you came
on and shared fascinating. And I'm starting to get more
accounts from Columbia and Chile. I'm doing one from Chili
at the minute, but that would be that would be
the first from China because I don't have I don't.
I don't really have any listeners in China, but I
know I do have a few because they listen on

(58:32):
the old VPNs, so they bypass the Internet via that way.
So I know I do have a few because I
received some emails. But that's the first actual experience I've
had from China.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
Well that's good, I mean, you know, I think the
great part of your show is that you hear people
from all over and what strikes me is there are
quite significant cultural differences between countries, you know, in terms
of levels of acceptance. You know, what we would call,
you know, in a kind of an Anglo culture is

(59:03):
paranormal is like next to nothing. In South America. It's
just like daily life. You know, it's not seen as odd,
you know, it's just part of natural life and belief.
But there are extraordinary things that happened to you. And
I think you know the story of China that the
same is true. In China is just part of you know,

(59:26):
everyday life. There's other plane it is, and.

Speaker 4 (59:32):
I've spent quite a lot of time in Southeast Asia
and South East Asia is the living and the dead,
and it is all mixed into one. The daily practices
are basically given offerings to past relatives and ancestors. I
mean it's a daily thing. Yeah, And it's the same
threhole of Asia.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
Yes, absolutely. And our daughter was living in Bandarte in Indonesia.
I saw a few things there too, and it's the
same thing. They were the first, the first town city
to be hit by the tsunami, that terrible tsunami, and
I think one hundred and sixty seven thousand people died there,

(01:00:11):
and everybody's stories are about the you know, the living spirits.
They're still there. You know, it's not it's not like
it's anything unusual. It's part of the culture to accept,
as you say, death along life, alongside life exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
I mean that's how me and my wife met because
I was traveling around the world. I'd had my ticket
booked and everything. This is in two thousand and four,
and then the tsunami struck on Boxing Day, so I
changed my ticket and I went to work for a
relief charity in Thailand. My wife was at Uni and
she took time off and went down went down south

(01:00:52):
to id the bodies, and that's how we met.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
So oh incredible, So something so dreadful brought.

Speaker 4 (01:00:59):
You to together, it was yeah, and it was, yeah,
it was dreadful. I mean it was very sad. I
mean I was predominantly doing like the cleanup and fixing
up fishing boats and that kind of thing, and a
lot of it was was mostly done in June and
July of that year. Unfortunately, not all the bodies were found.
A lot of them were swept out and and every

(01:01:20):
now and again a body would have been would you know,
would wash up, and it was sometimes they were very young,
some of the some of the children. That so it's
very sad and and yeah it is you know, still
the thing unfortunately, I guess, you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
Know, and again that's the difference is what holds the
collective heart together. I for guess in places like Indonesia
and Thailand and through through Southeast Asia is as a
result of, you know, after that terrible disaster, was you know,
this collective belief as you say that you know, death

(01:01:57):
and life exists together. It's almost a way to reconcile
terical grief.

Speaker 4 (01:02:02):
That's absolutely right. Every house over over in Thailand even
like a spirit house, and it's it's like a like
a beautiful birdhouse. The West best work and say, and
every single building and every single skyscraper that's in Bangkok
has a spirit house. And the idea is is for
for spirits, someplace for the spirits to live, because you

(01:02:25):
don't you know, you don't want spirits to be wandering
your house and stuff. So that's the idea. So if
you look at any property, any house, any hotel in
Thailand that they all have a spirit house. Well yeah, yeah,
I'm not sure about Cambodia or Vietnam, but I know
definitely Thailand has all these and yeah, and they give

(01:02:46):
offerings every every day an offering is given.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
Yeah, well it kind of makes sense, you know, like
it's the way of also honoring your ancestors and keeping
them at bays that they don't invade the day the activity.
I think it's great idea.

Speaker 4 (01:03:02):
Yeah, that's it, and yeah, stops the wondering spirits. Obviously,
Moute Lou, like black magic is is very very prominent
over there, a lot more than I thought it would be.
It's it's very much a thing. And you have shaman
and which doctors which collect spirits in jars and or
some of it is very very very deep and highly

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used as well, you have a lot of celebrities that
that that go there from abroad as well, and they
get these tattoos done and you name it. It's right,
you'd think it be something of the past. You know,
we've moved into the modern era, but no, it's still
very much a thing.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
Well, you know, at the end of the day, we're
all primal creatures, you know, and we've I think what
we've failed to do is maintain a connection to rituals
like that, you know, ways to celebrate ancestors or death
or you know, the exceptional parts of life. I think

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we've us it was too much modern.

Speaker 4 (01:04:01):
Living, that's right. Yeah, I think a lot of it's
also to do down to religion as well. Even though
a lot of our festivals that we still celebrate or
all pagan. You know, they're all pagan. They're all past
ancient rituals and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
So yeah, I mean many one of them, they all
fall on significant pagan dates exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:04:23):
Yeah, so a lot of people don't realize so.

Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
Well, you know, maybe they'll come a time when we
try and return a little bit more to just an
ancient recognition of what's gone before it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:36):
Yeah, Yeah, especial when it comes to appreciating nature, you know,
and celebrating nature, and I think that's that's another big
thing that we've lost.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
Yeah, I'm hopeful with newer generations that they get it.
They get it better than we did, you know, and
they do it better than we did. I'm hoping.

Speaker 4 (01:04:55):
Yeah, fingers crossed. That's wonderful, lovely, just I really appreciate
you coming on and sharing all those wonderful accounts for
us today.

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
I've really enjoyed it and it's taken me back, so
I really appreciate it. I love your show. I love
hearing other people's stories in a way that telling them
affirmed their stories.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
I often hear people on your show saying I know
I'm not crazy or don't think I'm crazy, and I think, well,
thank God for your show because they can tell stories
where people will get it, they will understand.

Speaker 4 (01:05:28):
And that's usually the subject title of most emails I receive.
You're going to think I'm crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
It's bad, really it is.

Speaker 4 (01:05:36):
But you know, people come to the right place.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:05:38):
This is what the show's about. Is it's just everyday
people I have on here. You know, I don't really
have many of the big names on TV or in
the circuit of the paranormal UFOs. I avoid all them.
It's not for them want of asking. But I say
to them, you know, this is this show's about everyday people.

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
Yeah, and it really is. It's wonderful and you're right.
We're talking to people about things that they wouldn't tell
other people. But in the anonymity of radio or podcast,
it's so good for them to feel like they've been
validated exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:06:13):
Yeah, because and someone here, I say, the sort of time,
but someone to hear your account and they'd be like,
I've experienced the same thing. Nobody believe me, you know,
so it's nobles.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
Oh no, you've done really well. I've listened to heaps
of yours. And I heard a Spaniards the other day
and I had, you know, someone from I think our
woman was talking about, you know, these exceptional experiences that
she had with and where she's been visited by she thinks,
you know, extraterrestrial beings. And then it repeated and repeated,

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and I think it was in Kentucky it was worse.
And I think it's so wonderful to hear her because
you could hear the relief in her voice, she's telling
someone and she's not being you know, diminished by telling it.
She's saying, you know, built up by telling it.

Speaker 4 (01:07:04):
It was wonderful exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:07:06):
And people do get emotional and you can hear it
in people's voices.

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
It's relief or they're revisiting something. Yeah, it's incredible.

Speaker 5 (01:07:15):
Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:07:17):
Thank you, You're more than welcome. I really appreciate you
coming on sharing that for our listeners.

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
Okay, take care of yourself. Thank you, Nick, I do
appreciate it. Be well.

Speaker 4 (01:07:25):
Shout byebye chub. Now that is all for today. Keep
updated and connected with the show on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram.
And if you have an encounter that you'd like to
share on the podcast, you can email me at UFO
Chronicles at gmail dot com, or you can reach out
to me via the contact page on my website at
UFO Chronicles podcast dot com. A big thank you to

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Socio and Mimti for sharing tonight, and thank you all
for listening. I will be back next week. Till then,
stay safe and keep watching us guys. Goodbye