Ep.204 White Rabbit / There's UFO's Over New York (Throwback)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:01):
Do you want to report a UFO.

Speaker 1 (00:04):
It? We don't want to report every thirty one. Do
you wish to report a UFO olver, Hey, we want
to one of those.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Areas thirty one. Do you wish to find a report
of any kind of it?

Speaker 2 (00:18):
I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Time areas thirty one me neither.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
There were seven one golf. If it was anybody a
U above us to pass us, like thirty seconds ago,
we were sending one top of golf negative, Okay, OFFI
the UFO. Yeah it's murder two nine o'clock.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yes, I'll just passed over.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
I go.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
I don't know what it was, but it's from at
least to three thousand feet above us. See, I passed
right over the top of us.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Ninety one one.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Guy, you just called up to me, be four rest.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
They're after staying the airplanes, he se to God, calm
in on an unidentified object every liberty four call or
calm on an unidentified flying object.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share
their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had
an encounter, I would like to be on the show,
you can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com.

(01:48):
Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. Wherever in the
world you are listening from, I hope you've all had
a great weekend. I'm Nick Cantor and this is the
UFO Chronicles podcast. We start this episode with Stephen in
the United Kingdom, and Stephen will be sharing his UFO experiences,
some strange activity in Yosemite Park and a paranormal encounter

(02:10):
in France. And then we connect with Miriam in New
York City who witnessed with a colleague a large triangular
craft that was dark gray in color with a spectacular
array of bright lights underneath while they were stuck in
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to continue running. Now on with the show. Good evening, Stephen,

(03:11):
and welcome to the podcast.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Good evening, Nick, Hi, thanks for having me on.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
And thank you for coming on today. And you're calling
from Surrey in the United Kingdom.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
That's right, yeah, Sunny, Sorry, it's very hot at the minute.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
Sunny Surrey. Now you have some experiences to share with
us that occurred in three different countries. Would you like
to start the beginning please, Stephen.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah, I think that the one that really sort of
kicked everything off going down the rabbit hole with everything
was Christmas Day evening two thousand and nine, around midnight.
I was with my wife, who was pregnant at the time,
so she was driving. We drove back from my in

(03:54):
laws parks on the road, getting out the car, very
quiet as you imagine after midnight and Christmas Day, and
looked up in the sky I'd say probably were about
two thousand feet in height and distance and probably about
a mile away. I would say we three orange abs.

(04:15):
So my first instinct was, oh, look, it's Chinese lanterns.
But they were really solid in and they weren't flickering,
and they were moving far too quick and in an
organized fashion to be Chinese lanterns. And then I pointed
them out to my wife, who saw them as you know,
questioning what they weren't. Then from behind, two more orange

(04:39):
obs that kind of looked like they caught up with them,
flew up behind them in a sort of formation, and
then they just flew off into the horizon, same speed
and disappeared behind a tree line. I did actually film it,
because I did have a video camera with me, but
looking back at the footage, it just could have been

(05:02):
anything on the footage, you know, it just didn't look
good enough. I've still got that tape. I have no
idea where it is. But yeah, that was really intriguing
because obviously my wife was with me and she'd seen it,
and we couldn't I mean, we lived fairly fairly near Heathrow,
so you know, I do know what things flying around
in the sky looked like. And this was not an

(05:25):
aeroplane of any description, and it certainly wasn't Chinese lanterns.
So that was the first time I saw orange orbs.
About two years later, two ty eleven, it was the
summer time, but I'm not the date is a bit
hazy on that the month, but I got up in

(05:47):
the middle of the night to go to the toilet,
and we're right at the top floor, got a window
looking right out over the rest of the houses, quite
high up about one hundred meters this time in the sky,
so really low was a single orange or and it
was on its own, flying quite slowly towards me. I'd

(06:10):
say about sort of thirty miles an hour. And that
one was really vivid. It was like a solid orange ball.
It didn't emanate any light. It looked like the light
was completely self contained. And it's one of those you know,
classic rubby eyes. Have a look, wonder what was that?

Speaker 2 (06:31):
You know what is that?

Speaker 1 (06:33):
It was probably the size of a maybe a basketball
or something like that, and it just came towards me,
flew over the top of the house. I quickly ran
downstairs and tried to look at it from the back,
which I saw it for a little bit, and then
it disappeared. That one I witnessed on my own, and

(06:53):
that was that was really vivid. Out of all of them,
that was the closest I've seen them or seen it.
And then the last of the orange orb sightings was
New Year's Eve twenty nineteen, so I was with my wife,
both my kids. I was in a place called lesabe
lea Delon, which is in the von die And, France.

(07:16):
We're staying at an apartment there. We went down to
the beach to celebrate New Year's so we took a
bottle of wine. We sat on the sand, the kids
were running up and down. There was no one around
at all, and we were making our way back. It's
kind of like a very quiet, posh, suburban sort of

(07:39):
French area once you leave the beach and go up
through the town, nothing around, nobody around at all, And
again saw three orange als. Pointed them out to the
kids and my wife and we were staring and wondering
what they were. And then again they're probably like two

(08:00):
thousand feet in the sky, about a mile away. And
then as we're watching them, all the lights went out,
all the street lights, all the house lights. Is massive
power cut which lasted probably about a minute as they
flew silently overhead. Then they disappeared behind some cloud cover
and all the lights came back on. So I was

(08:23):
quite glad that I'd witnessed two of these sightings with
my wife because otherwise people I wonder, you know, if
you're making it up. But she's she's very kind of like,
you know, logical brain on her. But you know, it
kind of sent me down a bit of a rabbit
hole with orange orbes. And I've since found out that
it's quite a common sighting. I believe I've heard some

(08:45):
on your podcast. Other people have seen them as well.
So yeah, that was a That was three interesting sightings,
that's for sure. Then there's one this happened. This is
the last of the kind of UFO style sightings. This
happened in June, so really recent. It was midweek. I

(09:10):
don't remember which day. I was the last to go
to bed. Kids were in bed, my wife was upstairs reading.
It was a really clear night, crystal clear sky, no
clouds at all whatsoever. I'd gone out, I'd opened the
back doors just haven't literally, just to have a look
at the sky because it was you could see pinpricks

(09:31):
of light all over the sky. You could see all
the stars, you know. I like a bit of star watching.
I was looking out and in the distance I could
see a plane flying. I thought, oh, this is this
would be the perfect night to see something. If anything
was going to appear, I wish it would appear type thing.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
And then.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
Just as I was about to go back in doors,
I looked up directly above my head and in the
entire sky there was one single cloud, a small white cloud,
which all that's odd, just sitting there. And then the
cloud dissipated and an extremely bright white light was appeared

(10:13):
or was there, larger than the star, and it just
flashed on and off light quickly then slowly directly above me.
Is very very bright, and this must have gone on
for about twenty seconds. Then the small cloud reappeared, covered

(10:33):
the light as it were, and then they both disappeared,
the cloud and the light. That one didn't freak me
out a little bit because more than anything, it kind
of felt like it was a I was being signaled
or something. So that one, yeah, I closed the I

(10:54):
remember thinking actually to myself, I think I even said
it out loud. I closed the back doors, and I
said to myself that that was something, you know, that
really genuinely was something like I said, I watched the sky.
I'm interested in in observatories and things like that, and
this wasn't at a star it was a fixed light,

(11:17):
wasn't an aeroplane, So yeah, I have no idea what
that was, but that was an interesting one. So I've
got yeah, I've got a few here, but I'll tell
one that my dad told me, first of all, and
then one that my son told me. I saw my
dad not that long ago, and I took notes. I said, oh,
do you remember that ghost story you told me? And

(11:39):
he said yeah, and he recounted it, so I took notes.
So my dad was in the Air Training Corps in
nineteen sixty two. He was based in Catford, London, and
their headquarters was a four story Victorian house with large
grounds and the top floor of the house the armory.

(12:01):
And in that armory obviously pretty serious staff rifles, machine guns, ammunition,
et cetera. And three of them, including my dad, three
privates were sent up to the top two sort the
AMMO boxes out. So they're all kneeling down, you know,
moving the AMMO boxes around, and one of the privates

(12:26):
looks up. My dad remembers him looking out and turns
to the doorway of the ammo room and he just shouts,
what are you doing here? Yeah, very seriously, because obviously
you're you're in an army area full of full of weaponry.
So they all turned and my dad said, about five

(12:46):
meters away there was a very smartly dressed man in
Victorian style dress with the hat, et cetera, just staring
at them. So they all got up immediately, and the
first private just like marched towards him and said, you're
not allowed in here. You need to get out, And

(13:07):
as soon as they walked up to it, it turned
the corner and vanished. So they were really shaken up,
you know, young men at the time, and they ran
back downstairs and they found the commanding officer who sort
of told them, you know, calmed down, listened to their story,
made them a cup of tea, that kind of thing.

(13:27):
My dad kind of thinks that potentially at commanding officer
knows that other people had had experiences like that. So
they searched the building. There was no one in it,
and they locked up. But yeah, again, my dad is
not one for making up stories on any level, so
I always found that one quite intriguing. There's another story,

(13:51):
this is this happened to my son. We always used
to say, you know, did you know ghost stories and
whatever come up? With the kids to find it quite interesting.
And he said, oh, I you know, I saw a ghost.
So he always used to say he saw a ghost
of a black man. He said, do you remember I
used to tell you I saw a ghost of a

(14:12):
black man. So I thought, literally, I took it literally
as a black man. So later on I thought, I
think I heard something on the podcast. I thought about
the shadow people. So I said, all right, I'm going
to ask him again. Now he is a bit older.
I said, can you, you know, recap that story? He
told me again and he I think it was about

(14:34):
four or five he slept. He was sleeping in our bed,
which she loved to do for a quite a long time,
and he said he could hear us downstairs. We were
still up downstairs. He could hear us talking, and in
our room when if you're laying on the bed, you
can see the banisters to the right leading up obviously
into our room. We're right in the loft of the house.

(14:57):
Old loft is a loft conversion. And he said he
looked across and he saw a man looking through the banisters,
holding onto the banisters and staring at him. And I said, oh,
what does he look like? Black man. He said, no,
he was just all black, completely black, like a shadow,
and he was wearing a hat I think, and like

(15:23):
a long style sort of overcoat. That was it. He said.
It was literally just like a shadow. And then he said,
as he looked at it, initially he thought it was me,
and then as he was staring at it, I think
he actually said Dad. As he was looking at the figure,
and the figure ran up the stairs and literally jumped

(15:48):
like it was going to jump onto the bed and
then just disappeared, like broken to millions of pieces and
just disappeared. So it was, yeah, I've heard a few
things about shadow people, etc. And it was only after
I heard that and then he recounted that to me,
I thought, Okay, that's maybe what he saw. So that
was quite an interesting one. A couple of things that

(16:11):
happened to me is obviously that's my dad and my son.
I'd say this was really only I mean real sort
of classic sort of ghost sighting for me. I was
in This was summer nineteen ninety eight, so I was
working in the music industry, as was my girlfriend at
the time. She was French. She had a house or

(16:35):
her family had a house in the south of France,
near Biritz. This house was her grandmother's old house. Now
this house was in the middle of nowhere, you know,
it really was. I think the nearest house was probably
five miles away. There was a woodland like behind it.
It's your classic sort of old French you know, squat

(16:55):
taunted house type situation. It really nice house. Anyway, I
remember like waking up. She was I just woke up,
and she was shaking me. She was saying, Stephen, Stephen, look,
and she was pointing to the corner of the room
and I could. I turned over and I could just
see the shadow of a It was a like a

(17:18):
white glowing figure, I should say, of an old lady.
It looked like to me. My girlfriend was just saying, oh,
it's my grandmother. It's my grandmother. She was really freaked
out by it all, obviously, and I I kind of
shocked myself really because I got straight up out of
bed and walked towards it because I was like, what's this,

(17:40):
you know, And I waved my hands through it. And
as I'm waving my hands, it just sort of disappeared,
and I was like opening the curtains. I was looking
around it really, you know, I couldn't work out what
it was at all, I think I thinking back, I
think that was on the first night we stayed there,
So you imagine every night after that, I'm waking out

(18:01):
in the middle of the night while I opened checking
the corner of the room. But yeah, that was really interesting. Again,
that felt quite a strange one. And yeah, I mean,
I guess I mentioned i'd gone summer August twenty fourteen,

(18:22):
we were in Los Angeles for a wedding and we
were heading out after that to Usemite Park, which I
don't know if you've been to seventies an amazing place.
I absolutely loved it. And we stayed at a hotel
called the Iwanee Hotel. Really grand, old looking hotels, really atmosphere,

(18:47):
surrounded by all the granite mountains all around. Stunning. It's
got a real vibe. Though there's something about it. Went
into the hotel, really really nice hotel, but you know,
there was something about it that I kept saying to
my wife, this seems familiar this place, you know. I
think we were having dinner in the grand sort of

(19:08):
banqueting hall bit and I had to go back to
the room to go and get something. I kind of
felt uneasy about going back to the room, which is
not me at all, but I kind of thought, I
don't really like going back up there on my own.
It's got in the lift. I can't remember what floor
were on, but it certainly wasn't the top floor. Hit
the button to go up, and I was on my

(19:29):
own in the lift, and the lift just kept going
and got to the top floor, and then the lift
doors just opened. I remember like seeing there was a
long carpet in front of me, like quite bold colored carpet,
and right at the very end of the corridor was
a mirror. I could just see myself looking myself in

(19:50):
the mirror. I was hitting the button pretty rapidly. I
really like, not a comfortable feeling. And then the lift
went back down to my floor, and I said, I
kept saying to my wife, like every night we slept
in the room, there was a little gap underneath the door,
and you could see like a flow of light from
obviously from outside in the corridor. Pretty much every night

(20:10):
I would turn and I think that I could see
a silhouette of a pair of feet outside the door,
and then I'll rub my eyes or look close and
get up and see them like step away. And then yeah,
there was a few instances like that. I mean, I
like to run. I do a lot of running, so
I'd gone out for a few runs around that area

(20:31):
and there was a real feeling of, you know, being
watched when when I ran. I mean, I believe there
was an old the Awanche Indians Reservation was there. It's
got a real atmosphere there. I mean, I since found
out as soon as we left, I can't remember. We
went off to Carmelo after that, and I did a

(20:52):
little bit of research and found out that that was
the hotel that inspired the shining And it's a classic
sort of you know ghost story, one of the haunted
hotels of the world type thing. Doesn't surprise me at all.
Had a massive atmosphere there, but yeah, it's really, like
I said, a really nice hotel, really beautiful place. But yeah,

(21:13):
it's got something in the air, as it were. Yeah.
So that's it as far as like ghost stories go
and whatever. I've got one more little story for you, Nick.
So yeah, last of all, I kind of yesterday I
was thinking, well, I thought this were well, I thought, yeah,
I bet something happens before I go on the podcast
with Nick, you know, and I hadn't thought much more

(21:36):
about that. I thought that a few weeks ago, and
then yesterday I was listening to a podcast driving on
my way home from work, and I was listening to
a podcast about how dead people can you give signs
to people who are alive about that there's life after death,

(21:57):
et cetera. So, yeah, it was quite interesting. I was listening,
you know, a little bit half heartedly, to be honest,
and then I turned off the podcast and I said
out loud to somebody that was very dear to me
that it is dead. And I said, okay, I want

(22:19):
you like a challenge. It was almost I said, I
want you to give me a sign that there's life
after death, there is something. And I was thinking in
my head, okay, what can the sign being a van
drove past me and on the back of the van
doors it said white rabbits. So I said, okay, I
want to see, you know, within twenty four hours if

(22:42):
you if I see a white rabbit, you know that's
your sign. So look, I felt like a little bit
of a challenge. Anyway, I forgot that I said it,
and then you know, I put the radio back on.
There was one I pulled into my road and there
was one parking space. Is about an hour and a
half later, the one parking space there. So I pulled

(23:05):
into the parking space, turned off the car, and turned
immediately to my left, and in the window of the
house was a model of a white rabbit looking out
at me. So I thought, Okay, that feels like it
could be a bit of a sign. So yeah, that's it. Nick.

(23:27):
I've probably got other stories, but I can't think of
them right now.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
Good job, Stephen, So.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
I hope, I hope that's all good for you.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
Interesting stuff. So we got free generations of a family
all having paranormal experiences.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Yeah, yeah, it's yeah, it's interesting. I mean, I'm always
interested in other people's ghost stories or experiences, and over
the years you hear a few, but I think when
they're first hand from you know, family members who like
I say, don't kind of they've got no reason to

(24:02):
make anything up. And certainly someone like my dad, who's
you know, quite straight down the line, would never make
something up like that. And like I said, like with
all these things, even like my own sightings whatever, I've
got no qualms telling people about them because you know
that they're very real things that happened to me, and
people always kind of say, oh, yeah, of course, and

(24:23):
then they follow it, you know, five minutes later, with
the story that they've got or they've heard. So yeah,
I always find it interesting hearing other people's stuff.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
I'm the same. You know, I can be at a
barbecue and there'll be family members there which obviously know
what I do, and then there'll be other guests, and
then you get into conversation, and then that's what I'll
get the whole The whole time I'll be at these functions,
I get people telling me, telling me their accounts or
their ghost stories or their parents' ghost stories, so everyone
has them.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Yeah, definitely, you know, and I think certainly as you
get older and whatever, you know, I think we'd be
really naive not to think there is anything else, especially
as we only perceive our own reality through our own senses.
So it's like saying, you know, there is only anything
that exists only because we know it exists. But there's

(25:17):
you know, our five senses pick it up. But you know,
a dog can smell what four thousand times more than
we can, so they're picking up stuff we can't, you know,
So that's right, yeah, yeah, And you know there's so
much more. You know, it's it's a fascinating subject. And
like I said, I do a lot of reading. I

(25:38):
do a lot of research, and I listened to a
lot of podcasts, and there seems to be themes going
through a lot of the things as well, you know,
similar types of experiences or theories on stuff. You know,
not that we ever know it all, but I think
as long as you're open minded to it, you know,

(25:59):
the experience itself is important. You know, all these things
that have happened to me, especially with the orangeobs, they've
felt more like a personal sign than anything else, like
something that's just like I say, like the white rabbit.
You know, it's something that's put in front of you

(26:21):
for you to to follow, for you to go down
rabbit holes and research and read about it. And then
once you go down that rabbit hole, there's so much
out there. You know, you can never really go back
to being shuttered about about life after that. You know,
there's so much more to it.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
And I don't think i'd want to be you know,
I wouldn't. I don't think i'd want to go back.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
No. I mean, you know, it's whether you you know,
you're religious or you have a spiritual belief, when you're
into UFOs or whatever it is, they're all tied somehow,
and there's a lot of common connection. And I think,
you know, we're here to learn, we're here to be
expansive in our thinking, and to shut that off is

(27:05):
just you know, you know, it's unbearable to think about. Really.
I think, you know, it's like there's people sort of
if you ask, what do you think it's all about?
You know, I don't know, I don't really care. That's
more worrying. You know, if you can concern themselves with
with what I call the admin of life then, which
we all have to do. But you know, the outside

(27:27):
of that, surely you should be thinking about you know,
higher purpose and other stuff.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
Of course. I mean there's two levels of life, isn't there.
There's there's what we're living now. You know, we're going
to work every day, we're doing shopping, you know, we're
going out watching the football whatever. And then there's another
side of life which runs completely parallel with us, where
these things happen, and these things happen to people all
over the world, you know.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Yeah, yeah, it is fascinating. And you know, and I've
met a lot of people in my life time, and
like I say, everyone's got a story, everyone's got an
interest and everything. Everyone's got something that they have seen
or they've heard, and it takes you away from like
you say, we have to eat, we have to drink,

(28:14):
we have to go to work, we have to pay
the bills, we have to do these things. But outside
of that, there's a there's a way to lift ourselves
out of that mundane and be able to look at
it from outside. And I think that's that that's part
of a human condition. And you know, we need we
need mystery, and we need unanswered questions because then part

(28:36):
of it is our pursuit of of that, you know,
And I think that's what makes makes it all really interesting.
It'd be a dull world otherwise, wouldn't it.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
I agree. It's a bit like when you're a child
first watching that magic trick for the first time.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
Yeah, and they say, no, I'm not going to tell
you how it's done, and then you realize, yeah, of course,
never know how it's done, and that's far more interesting exactly, Yeah,
it is.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
And it's it adds mystery, and I find it very
exciting that there is something a lot more.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Than what we you know, oh so much more. I mean,
I find it really interesting. I mean listening, for example,
to your podcast, and when you listen to a lot
of them, you know, back to back or whatever, you know.
I went through a phase. I probably listened to one
a day because obviously, like I told you earlier, being
on the road, you can really join the dots on
a lot of them. And these are people who obviously

(29:31):
don't know each other, but there's common themes about patterns
of things that happen or what they see or what
they felt, or theories behind it or whatever. And I
think that's really important because it's collating information, you know,
and it's it's hints at something you know, bigger, I mean,
and you've got to think like that. I mean, someone
said to me the other day, they said, how advanced

(29:54):
that the human race was? I said, yeah, you know,
we're still killing each other in mass we can't share
resources properly, we're destroying the planet. Come on, you know,
there's got to be more to it than that. So
I think, you know, being looking deeper into things, is

(30:14):
the future, you know, and I genuinely think all these
things that happen to people are little clues about it
and hopefully sort of be a cohesive thing for humanity,
you know, moving forward.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Are you right? Yeah, You're absolutely right, little glimpses and
see I look at this shows a bit like an
audio version of a crime scene war, you know, where
you have photographs and they have the lines that point
to this direction that point.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
You know.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
I think that's the way this show is. There's all
these little clues in there. There's always synchronicities and details.
They are all connected somehow.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
You're absolutely right. There's so many that there's similar types
of experiences and they leave you with similar types of feelings.
You know. Like I said, at first, you know, two
thousand and nine Orange experience, it felt like a bit
of a sign to search, because I did search. You know,
I started doing a lot of reading and researching and

(31:11):
thinking differently about stuff due to what I had seen,
you know, and that can only be a healthy thing, surely,
you know, to think more and look deeper, you know
that that's got to be a good thing.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
Yeah, because also you're looking into yourself as well.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
Yeah, completely Yeah, opens up who you know, what you know,
what humanity is, what we are, what is the nature
of consciousness and etcetera. And like I said, we never know.
I don't think in this lifetime. But I think at
least you need to be looking at it. You know.

(31:48):
I'm a big fan of people that are searchers. I'm
a big George Harrison fan. And he was definitely one
of the searchers, you know, And he he was someone
that thought a lot about these things. And even he said,
you know, it felt taboo often to be talking about
this stuff, and he was a beetle, you know that

(32:11):
he had friends that would not want to talk about it.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
I can speak of from experience, and that's absolutely right.
And there's a lot of people, which you're in a family,
where they're interested, sometimes obsessed in the subject and be
kind of considered the black sheep because they're a bit odd. Yeah,
just because they are more open to things. They're more
open to asking questions about stuff.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
Yeah. And I think, you know, it's like that knocking
the door will be open. Is that if you are
open to stuff, you're far more likely to experience it
because you're not looking at your feet you're looking up,
you're taking more of your environment in So yeah, I
can completely agree. But I think, you know, like I said,
there's a lot more you know, there's many more people

(32:56):
thinking about this stuff now, I think, and there's a
lot of people in the public eye that you know,
I've kind of followed their path to not enlightenment, but
certainly people that are are thinking a little bit deeper,
you know, and we can see it all around us,
and I think that is really really important. Like I said,

(33:20):
George Harrison being someone like Jim Carey being another you know,
even people like Russell Brand. They might not be right
and everything that they're saying, but at least they're they're searching, you.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
Know, at list, they're asking questions exactly exactly, and You're right,
a lot of people are starting to become a bit
more open. They're starting to travel different routes.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
You know.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
I always say to people, you know, it's it's always
a good thing to go outside, get away from that
junk that's on TV. You know, look at meditate and
you know, get your body in your mind together. You know,
I'm not going down that hippioto or anything. I'm just
saying I completely agree.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
I mean a lot of breathing technique. I used meditation.
It's just, you know, it's nothing more than centering your brain,
you know, and being aware of yourself. It's a really
really healthy thing to do, you know. And people are
suddenly realizing that. You see the growth of people like
wim Hoff, you know, the wim Hoff method and things

(34:20):
like that, cold exposure, getting back to nature because we're
realizing the system is a bit dysfunctional, a bit you know,
massively dysfunctional, and we're pursuing the capitalist values and things
that really don't it's not healthy for the human race
in the long run. And I think Lockdown really highlighted

(34:41):
that people really had a chance to pause and see
really what stuff was about. And it's no coincidence after
Lockdown people started not wanting to go back to particular jobs,
or they started to pursue creative activities, reading more, being
more artistic, playing the guitar, painting a picture, you know,

(35:03):
seeing nature come back, no aircraft in the sky, you know,
more wildlife in the streets. That that type of thing,
and I think that, you know, was a healthy thing
in a lot of ways, although it soon gets forgotten
pretty sharpish when everything goes back to normal.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
There's a lot of listeners out there which be the
connect to what you just said there because they've done
the same They've they've taken up hobbies or yeah, or
talents that they've had but never really used before, and
during that time they were able to do that kind
of stuff. People appreciated their time at home a lot more. Obviously,
There's there's different ends to that.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I think it's the pursuit of,
you know, of following stuff and maybe that you know,
it's a time of reflection, which is meditation really, you know,
that is a type of reflection looking at stuff. And
I think people in lockdown had suddenly sat and going,
do you know what, I don't really like getting the
train at six every morning, go and sitting in that

(36:03):
office and doing that particular job. And I'm not just
going to give up that dream that I was going
to do something else. Perhaps I will pursue it. And
I just hope people came out of lockdown and you know,
and did follow those things. But I think it's a
good it was a good time of reflection. I mean,
I'm pretty sure there must have been a lot more

(36:25):
UFO sightings during that period, mainly because people are home,
you know. I don't know if that's true, but yeah,
it seems that it would be an ideal time for
you know, people to experience more and more stuff because
they're more open to it, you know, because it's suddenly
your reality changes. You've gone from going a nine to

(36:45):
five and doing this routine suddenly like, oh, hold on,
this is a bit of a sort of apocalyptic scenario here.
How far will it go? And you really got to
start to question yourself and society when it goes down
that route. Yeah, i'd like to. So I wrote the
book that I was meant to be writing in Lockdown,
but I didn't. I did do a garden design.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
Course, so there we go, and something you were doing before.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
No, it was I've always been interested in design and
gardens and planting and whatever, and yeah, I just did
that during Lockdown. Was actually going up to London, you know,
to do the course. Is a bit uncomfortable, wearing a
mask and social distancing in the classroom and stuff. But no,
it's been it's been really interesting, you know, and I

(37:32):
think that that's it, you know, gave me that impetus
to kind of do different things. And I hope that's
the same with everyone else. You know, just just follow
dreams that you have.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
That's super important. Yeah, do something you enjoy.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Doing completely, and if you enjoy it, you'll do it well,
that's for sure. You'll give it your best.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
If you want to work outside, if you enjoy being
out in nature, go work outside. Become a gardener, you.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
Know, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
If you want to work with animals, the same, you know,
do something that you enjoy that's going to benefit you
as well as others.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Yeah, exactly, and you're you know, you're true calling. Then
if it's something you really enjoy, you'll put a lot
into it, and you know people will buy into it
as well. And you know, if someone's really keen and
they're talking enthusiastic about it, you get encouraged. You want
to buy into that idea. And I think, you know,
that's really important for everyone.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Steven, I really appreciate you coming on the show and
sharing that for our listeners.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Thank you so much for having me, Nick, It's been
a pleasure, and yeah, it's been great, good experience. Thanks
so much.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
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oozing High Strangeness. So what you're waiting for? Wake Up
to the Strange. Hello Miriam, and welcome to the podcast.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
He nick so great to talk to you.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
Finally, it's wonderful having you on and thank you for
gracing us today. And you're calling from New York City.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
New York City is a big apple. It was a
big example before, but now it's okay.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
Everyone's taken a bite. Okay, Miriam, you have a UFO
signed to share with us from the nineteen nineties. Would
you like to start at the beginning, please, ma'am?

Speaker 2 (40:26):
Yeah, well, yeah, I'm a little bit nervous about this call.
I mean, I've never really talked much about this before.
You know, when it first happened, I talked about it
to some friends and that really was about the end
of it. Up until recently, I haven't felt comfortable because
of the stigma attached with people who see anything that

(40:47):
you know, it's considered paranormal around the ordinary, and UFO
in particular, even though I had friends who in the past,
I've had a few friends tell me they've seen something,
but like me, nobody will talk about it, you know,
until recently that finally the government is finally a mirying Yeah,

(41:11):
these seems real, and so people are feeling more comfortable.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
I think, I know, I am, and you've come to
the right place. You know, everyone that listens to show
are very like minded and just want to hear other
people's accounts and as well as share their own.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
Yeah, yeah, I know, I know, I've been listening. It's amazing.
I think. To me, what was really surprising in listening
to these stories is some of the similarities between what
I thought and what other people thought. That kind of confirmed,
you know, the reality of what we sawt It's one

(41:47):
thing is you see something and nobody else has ever
seen it. But when someone can say, oh, I saw
something to look like that, and it makes a big
difference exactly.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
Yeah, especially the area where you saw it and the
time frame you saw it.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Amazing New York City, and no one has to this day,
no one has talked about it that I'm aware. There's
been no report. I look in the papers, like you know,
for days afterwards. I searched the news and somebody has
to have, you know, to go on and say something.
But then I didn't. So my thing is if I

(42:23):
didn't want to say anything, and maybe everybody else saw
it felt the same way.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
Yeah, you're probably right. And of course you know that
that area of Manhattan, you know, it's all it's all
pretty well built up isn't it. So unless I guess
you're you're really looking up that way?

Speaker 2 (42:38):
Well yeah, but she hears the thing. When when this happened,
we were literally stuck in traffic on Nice Avenue. It
was rush hour. I did homeless outreach, so we were
in a van. My partner was driving, and we were stuck.
We were arding a break as I was working with
two pm to ten shift at the time, so we

(43:00):
were taking We're stall around seven o'clock and it was light.
Because it was summer, it was still lie out and
so we're stuck in traffic heading towards the Lincoln Summer
when New York Sire is built, it's a griz, so
avenues run south and north and street frum east to west.

(43:20):
But we're going south on Ninth Avenue, going downtown. We're
off fifty fourth Street, so we're stuck in traffic, and
my partner and I simultaneously notice this right right right down,
So we're looking downtown and where the light was I
would estimate that to be a up two and a

(43:42):
half miles away from us. It was so bright. This
light was so bright, and it's bouncing around the sky.
It's say bouncing literally zink bagging around the sky. Then
it would stop dead and then it would like change direction.
And so my partner was Vietnam VET, so he seemed imagine,

(44:06):
you know, he's familiar with aircraft. I'm not. But at
the same time, I know that was not anything that
I felt that those kinds of maneuvers were not something
that our aircraft that we have that we're aware of,
are capable of performing those numbers. So we're looking at

(44:27):
each other and we're seeing what is that, you know,
can that be? And we're just looking and not too
long after we first noticed it, we realized it. It
was changed directions and it was coming hanging away, And honestly,

(44:49):
to this day, I cannot tell you how long it took.
It just didn't seem like it took very long. But
at the same time, when it came over us, it
was moving. I was taking me slowly, it was like gliding.
So I don't know how it made it from downtown
to where we were. I mean, while we're still stuck,
we're barely moving, lights time changing. People were like, just

(45:12):
you know, we're stuck here, and it's suddenly we see
it light coming closer, and I swear it was the
most or I mean, we were just in oh, you know,
we could didn't even say anything. We just both looked
at each other and then we stuck our heads out
the window, almost simultaneously because we just needed to see

(45:35):
what this thing was. It's just fly over us, and
it's a huge triangle and so many lights underneath. This
is what I have not heard a description of one
like this before. It happened. Lights in the shape of
the V in three rows, and then in the center

(45:56):
was a huge white light. Now, when I say white
and bright lights, they did not give a glare. They
were just like bright. But yes, they were I don't
know what the words would be, but they weren't. They
weren't getting what you would expect to see as a glare,
like when you see those bright lights and when they're filming.

(46:17):
They do a lot of filming in New York City
on the streets, and they sometimes at night and you
see the bright lights that you This was not that.
So it's got all these lights underneath a huge round
light in the middle. So how big is this thing?
I've tried to draw it, and I can't do it
because I can never get the I can never get
it right in terms of like all those rows of

(46:39):
lights with this one in the middle, it has to
be really big. And it flew right over us and
went right over us. And I looked next to me
because I might head out the window is a jeep,
a red jeep, and there's this woman and she is
like hysterical light. She was like laughing, and I felt
like she was like close in hysteria but controled hysteria.

(47:03):
And we just looked at each other and then we
just kept looking at this thing as it went by.
It's just incredible. And so the feeling was like, oh, like,
what did we just see, you know, from my partner
and I looked at each other and what was that.
I don't know, no idea, you know, we just we again.

(47:25):
It was like your awe struck. And this is another
thing that has made me feel I found very interesting
when other people talk about it and they say the
same thing that they were almost like unable to talk
about it afterwards, you know, for years I said, this
is the same way we felt. I did talk to

(47:46):
some friends about it. After work. I always would go downtown,
even though it was late. We'd meet at this cafe
and you know, have a late dinner, and I told
him about it. I told our supervisor, who laughed and said, oh,
it's probably like a big uh whether he called it
a kite or a helicopter or something. You know, Andrew,

(48:08):
you're gonna be kidding me. You have to have seen
this thing. But he was a very kind of pragmatic guy,
you know, and he would never have. He just couldn't
imagine that a thing. What you saw was sure it
was some kind of rational explanation for it, you know,
but no, it was just it's an incredible thing, and

(48:31):
and it left us unable to almost like, you're stuff dumb.
It's the only way I can describe it. You're in
awe and then you're like, you tell your friends and
then you kind of think about it, you know, you
just when you go with it, who do you call?

(48:51):
I'm like, you know, do I call the newspapers? Do
I call the police?

Speaker 1 (48:56):
No?

Speaker 2 (48:57):
I don't know. I didn't do any of that needed
anyone else, apparently. And this was in nineteen ninety seven,
by the way, summer of nineteen ninety seven. Yeah, so
it wasn't until a few years later I got I
listened to art dot coach to coach, good show. And
in fact, I'm the person who always wanted to see

(49:20):
a UFO because I was like, you know, I would
hear about it. And I heard a couple of friends,
as I told you, say that they had seen something.
One was on a Pennsylvania in a rural, rural street
in Pennsylvania, and she said people got out of the
cars and they saw of saying and I was so envious,

(49:42):
and I'm like, wow, I've never seen that. Another friend,
after I told her, told me that she had seen
something like this in New York and this was on
the East Side and that people came out, literally came
out of stores to look. And again, no, whatever report
is that this is New York ceriti And so what

(50:06):
through over us that day? I know a lot of
people have seen it, because not only did it come
over us the area where we had first seen it,
flying way in the distance that it was like doing
all these remoeuvers. That's like the Wall Street area, so
it's it's way downtown, it's over you know New York

(50:26):
harb And and the Wall Street district and Barry Park.
So there's one people down there. How could no one
have seen that impossible.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
Yeah, there would have been lots of witnesses.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
There had to be. But this is a part that
just drives me crazy. You know, all these years later,
why did no one say anything? But then again I
keep going back to did I say anything? Did I
call anyone?

Speaker 3 (50:56):
No?

Speaker 2 (50:57):
It's almost like you're you're And I don't know if
it's a function of the UFO itself that it does
this to people that makes you kind of say, I'm
not going to talk about it. I can't talk about it.
So I don't know. Sometimes I think that that's the function.

(51:17):
I mean, I don't want to get too paranormal and
fell to you know, but are they somehow, whoever whatever
that is able to in part this kind of telepathic
message to people to not not really talk about it.
I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
So your sighting was in early summer of nineteen ninety.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
Seven, ninety seven, Yeah, and of course you had.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
The famous Phoenix lights of March of nineteen ninety seven.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
Yeah. I didn't hear about that till after. I think
yester my signing, I don't think I knew that that
had happened in nineteen nine. Yeah, but you know, as
you have mentioned on your show, other people have mentioned
that fairly New York is very active, but usually they

(52:11):
say the Hudson Valley upstate rey itself. You just don't
hear it. And again, why has no one ever selling anythings?
It just goes it. Really, it's the conundrum. I can't
I can't figure it out.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
I mean, it could be. I mean I do get
reports from New York City. I've had a few. It
could be just due to the skyscrapers, you know, and
everyone's so busy and they're trying to watch they're trying
to watch where they're going down the down a sidewalk,
So that could be a lot of it. And also
bear in mind when one of the famous sightings was
John Lennon, of course, because he saw the UFOs of

(52:46):
New York.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
I didn't know that.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
Yeah, it's in one of his songs.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Oh I'm a fan, but I did that.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
It was nobody told me.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Oh, okay, I'm gonna listen to it, listened to.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
It to this, Yeah, nobody told me. And he he
had sketches, He did sketches of what he saw as well.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
Do you know when that when that happened?

Speaker 3 (53:10):
Okay, so this was nineteen seventy four. Wow, and it
was east side New York.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
Yeah. Well, like I said, my friends told me that
they saw something on the east Side. It was I
think Marathon aven knew it was one of the busier
It wasn't this. It was probably Marathon or Lexington.

Speaker 4 (53:29):
She said.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
People came out of the store literally because obviously it
was visible long enough for people to tell others and
come out, and yet no one has ever said anything,
you know, same with my side of them. And because
we were stuck in traffic, I have to believe that
other people. That woman in the car next to me

(53:51):
to learn the jeeps definitely, I mean she just jumped up.
I mean she was literally standing up. He had the
top down and she literally stood up. And she's just like,
like I said, between hysteria and I controlled hysteria and laughter.
Who looks and you know, and we didn't say anything

(54:13):
to each other afterwards, you know, So Perry and I
just looked at each other and.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
What was it?

Speaker 2 (54:22):
You know, I've never seen anything like that. I never
had either. So I had heard about triangleso I you know,
I knew what I had seen in that sense, but
other than that I didn't expect the feelings of being
dumped up that came with it with that stiling.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
It really isn't uncommon for there to be a sighting
and only one person really reports it everyone else that
seems to view it. And quite commonly it happened. Seems
to happen on roadways where there's like a traffic jam
or stand still on the freeway and an object will
be viewed by multiple people. Many people will see this object,
but only one person would report it. So and that

(55:05):
could be because you know, like you said, don't know
where to report it, or you don't think it's a
good idea to report it because people think you're crazy.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
That's it. Yeah, people, you know at the time. I mean,
it's fair enough today, but in ninety seven for you
to call up and say whatever I thought the thing, no,
people weren't going to stick then X out the just
weren't going to do it. But regardless, even I think
that the temptation to even do it was hampered, hampered

(55:36):
by the feelings that you just couldn't even talk about it,
that you were left just dumbstuck.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
You know.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
I tried to join it for my friends that we
left because, like you know, we're sitting at the table
at the cafe and I say, well, we try and
do other things, and it came up with me, like
you know, because it around why it's to like stuff
and it's a triangle. It looks like a pizza. Like, no,
that's not what I can't do it.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
We might try and get you to draw it again, though,
just to give it a go. I mean, I'm terrible
at drawing and sketching. If you can try and get
the best you think you can. If it looks like
a pizza, don't worry. At least we know the kind.
We know the kind of idea, and even if it's
just just the placement of the lights, yes, just remember
detail like that. But don't worry if it looks like
a flying pizza. I mean it's New York City, I

(56:29):
mean it was, it was invented there.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
Yeah. Yeah. The lights we were like the interesting thing
for me because nothing that I had ever heard of
when people spoke about this triangle has light lights. This
row literally three rows of lights in the shape of
a triangle on either side, and then in the middle

(56:51):
that huge white light. They were all white, no colors,
and what we could see between those lights of the
of the triangle was like a gray dark gray metal
kind of you know, mass metal, gray dark gray. It
wasn't black, but the show many lights that I've never

(57:13):
never heard of anyone ever seeing one like that, but
I'm aware. I don't know, maybe someone else and certainly
a lot of people saw that. They not talking about it,
but you know, all of the descriptions always say they
had lights on the corners or one light in the
middle and right, you know, right here and there. But

(57:37):
this would row up the rows three rows in that shape,
which is why I have to feel that it was
really big, because how do you have that many rows
of lights? When I tried to draw it, I have
to make the damp thing really big.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
It won't work Outwise, it might be worth just putting
black Triangle UFO into Google. There are many depictions on
there that might resemble what you did.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
Say, Yeah, I found one that resembled it. Again for
the lights. It had the white light in the middle,
and it had other lights, but not like what I saw,
not like what we saw. You know, I need to
call Perry because I haven't thought to him. We left
my job. I left my job in two thousand and eight.

(58:23):
Had not been in touch with him since then, so
I don't know if he still thinks about it, you know.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
And he was the only ever one in a van
with you with.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Me, yeah, in the van, yeah, yeah, And like I said,
you know, we had my supervisor, who I absolutely loved,
but Andrew was like so pragmatic and so rigid. He
just looked at us and no, that didn't happen. Whatever
you saw there was a helicopter didn't make any sound.
It was totally silent, totally silent, and it just went

(58:57):
right over us and kept going north. I just kept
going and it was like littleac It was blind. But
yet how did I get from way downtown? It was
three miles. I don't know how fast it came, but
it seemed to me that from the moment we saw
that it was heading in our direction, it didn't take
that long, but suddenly appeared and there it was.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
There was also there was one a black triangle siting
in Brooklyn. That was November of two thousand and three.
Flew over from Stanton Island.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
Okay, yeah, I lived in Brooklyn. I was born and
raised on the West side of Manhattan. Ex guve me
on the Upper West Side. But I lived in Brooklyn
for about eight years millions third, and then I moved
back to Manhattan downtown by well, we first saw it
down by the seaport near Wall Street. I lived down there,

(59:53):
and now I'm back uptown. So at the time we
saw this, I had moved back uptown. So that's where
how I knew very well. The area where we first
saw it is very busy, you know, but it's seven o'clock.
People are going home, like you say, they're not looking up.

(01:00:14):
They're walking and or driving. And New Yorkers don't look
up at the sky a whole lot during the day.
I mean, there are tall buildings down there, but it's
near the water and a lot of the buildings, and
you know, it's old buildings. It's Wall Street, Timmery, all
these old there's a lot of old buildings down there,

(01:00:36):
so they're not skyscrapers. But there are skyscrapers, but not
all of them are. So you have a pretty good
view of the sky down there, but no one looks up,
you know, not during the day. You don't me coming
home tired. So I can kind of understand maybe not
that many people looking up down there. But the people

(01:00:57):
that were stuck in traffic with me, they had to
have seen it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
They had to and they're right there somewhere. They're out
there still retelling their story to their kids and grandkids,
but never reported.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Yeah, like I said, the thing is that you you
feel a stigma in talking about it. Honestly, other than
my friends, who I was totally comfortable telling that day,
I really didn't tell anybody much, you know, and once
it was over, it was over, and you think about
it and you wonder, but you don't talk about it.

(01:01:33):
I just never really talked about it much until now.
But and seeing that, like I said, the government has
finally decided that they're going to come clean on what
pilots have seen and what you know, a military has seen,
made me feel more comfortable talking about it and people

(01:01:54):
aren't going to look at me as a my mind.
So but still I think it's stigma because I know
that even if I like a couple of times I
posted about it on my Twitter, like, people don't comment,
I mean, and that's amazing to me. It's like, why
have people asking me about this? This is like it's

(01:02:15):
just strange story, you know, people don't want to touch it.
They really don't, and that's kind of that it is.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
But then again, with Twitter, Twitter's just a lot of
people shouting and no one's listening. That's the way I
see Twitter.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
That's true.

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Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
What I mentioned there on Facebook to a couple of friends,
and I do have one friend who's very interested, friend
in Texas, and he and I have talked about it
a lot, and he's very interesting. In fact, I turned
him onto your podcast and he loves it. He's so happy.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
I'm glad, but.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
So yeah, I'm trying to pass away around the people
who I know would be interested, and so he and
I have talked about it. But other than that, other
people don't come as much. And yet, you know, I'll
post some silly thing and everybody will jump in. You know,
I just think people don't want to go there steel
and they're kind of kiddich about it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
You know, yeah, they still are. I mean, people are
starting to come around a bit, and people that weren't
particularly interested in this subjects before are getting slowly into
it a bit more. Now you couldn't go down the
road and start a conversation with a stranger about UFOs
now you probably you probably couldn't. People be like, Okay,
that's you know, that's that's interesting because obviously since the

(01:04:16):
government has started to come out and say stuff, they
obviously haven't released too much information, but they've you know,
they've they've they've suggested definitely a possibility, which we are
knew in any case, we didn't. We don't particularly need
them telling us this. So you know, people's ears are
starting to perk up a little bit and people are
starting to take note a little bit more than they
used to.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
Definitely, definitely, but again it's more but cautious. I think
people are cautious. I'll say, oh, well that's interesting or whatever.
But again, I don't know why I felt like I
couldn't really talk about it for so long aside from
the stigma, also that feeling of just but in that

(01:04:55):
last three years, the feeling of far and not being
able to talk about it freely. But now it's it's
a little different, it's better. And I did report it
to move On about three years later, and for a

(01:05:15):
while I saw it on the web on their database.
But I looked recently and I couldn't find it. But
now I seems you have to pay. He has to
become a member to be able to search the database.
So maybe that's why I couldn't see it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
There's there's also the National Reporting Center as well, which
is free to go and have a look at their
their archived reports.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
Well, I would be interested to see if it's still
on the move On database, because I, like I said,
it was there for a while when I first reported it,
But it should be more. It should be a national
database that everybody can access. You know. It's kind of frustrating,
you know, I mean I only heard and did it

(01:06:02):
because of Coach the Coast, so he used to talk
about Mouveman. So I finally said, you know, I should
really at least get the sun record somewhere. You know,
even though like I said, like, I really kicked myself
who having called somebody here in New York again? Who
the police, I don't know, but maybe airport. I mean,

(01:06:24):
someone who would have access to keep track of what
flies and whatever it takes up their space in the city. Somebody, right,
So I felt like I wish I had I had
done more to contact someone. It's kind of a missed opportunity.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
Well, I mean it was, like I said, it was
the night is you know. It's it's different these days
where we carry these phones with us and these phones
they have, you know, you can download apps now which
tells you exactly what's in the sky with the flight
radar and stuff. But we didn't have those things, you know,
in the nineties. And if someone didn't know where they
could report it or who they could tell, sometimes they
tell the police, and the police don't really do much

(01:07:02):
about it in any case, if they even respond to it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
Yeah, the police would just laugh at you, especially New
York police. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:07:08):
Yeah, they'll probably give you a breathalyzer first.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
But you know, because of the area, because of all
the traffic, I have to think that maybe there was
a police car sluck in that traffic, or someone in
the who's a patrol officer off due driving? There have
to be some people that saw it. There's just too
many people, too many people. Traffic on Ninth Avenue huge.

(01:07:33):
I was around fifty fourth Street and traffic was going
all the way downtown, so you know, like at least
a few miles down worth of traffic.

Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
So any listeners out there that were on Ninth Avenue
in summertime of nineteen ninety seven and think you may
have seen similar to what Miriam saw get in contact.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
That would be so amazing, especially that women as we
read people. I would love if she ever he ever
heard you know, I wish that I had said something
to her. But again we were just speechless. Really, it
just couldn't. I couldn't grasp what we were seeing. And
again here I am, having listened to our bell, having

(01:08:15):
listened to coast to coast, knowing about hearing about these things,
wishing that one day I was seeing one, And when
you do, you're like, oh my god, what did I
just see? What just happened? And and your your struck,
dumb this is amazing. Yeah, yeah, it's struck.

Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
Has that been the only thing you've seen before?

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
All since that was, well, there was one which actually
I had totally forgotten about. This was a few years later,
well quite a few years later, and what it was
something that was so abstract. I did report that one
right away because by then I knew better. Coming up

(01:09:00):
from Washington, d C. I had gone, in fact, I
had gone down there for a that's social what they
had asked office stuff. I was coming home and I
had taken the bus down from New York and I
was at the window and I sort of thing which
at first I thought was a plane with a contrail,

(01:09:21):
but the contrail part was following it, literally right behind it,
so I wasn't leaving a contrail. It was like some
kind of thing behind it. You know, when when I
paining me the contrail it's there, it's like this long, long,
smoky kind of thing that it leaves in the sky.

(01:09:44):
But it wasn't doing that. This thing was following it, so,
you know, as a woman that was sitting next to
me looked so that I took out my camera. I
took a picture, but I couldn't get anything good. It
was far away, and I wondered what it was. I
wasn't doing anything strange, but it was it looked strange,

(01:10:04):
so that was really about it. I mean that one
I reported just because I wondered if they could get
their hands on some kind of radar information took in
two thousand and nine, so it was you know, by
then I had more aware of its type of computer,
so on and so on. So I did report it,

(01:10:26):
and I don't know what came of that. I don't
know that one was it was again very bright and
it was moving in a straight line, but it was
very strange. But that was about it. Never never said
anything else since then. I wish I would. I would
love to see that because I love to see that.

(01:10:47):
Try go again, I would. You know, it's like and
here I am. I mean I spent time in the
Caribbean and time you know, lots of places where there's
lots of sky and always one dude, I wish I
would see something and that is it. And then you
are in the middle of New York City, you know,
fucking traffic, and you see it. Unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (01:11:10):
Well, you know that image will always stay with you now, No, definitely, Yeah,
that's wonderful, Miriam.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
Well, thank you. I guess I'm not having talked about
it a whole lot. I'm kind of nervous, but it
feels good to, you know, tell someone who is willing
to listen and understand and has heard from other people
who have similar experiences. Really makes a difference, of course
it does.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
And now you've told hundreds of thousands of people all
over the world now and hopefully hopefully there'll be others
out there from New York, you know, that would have
that would have been there and seen the same thing,
and hopefully they're get in contact. It does happen. Fingers crossed.
You never know what was your friend's name in Texas?

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
Friend in Texas? Jimmy.

Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
A quick shout out to Jimmy, how are you doing, Jimmy? Howdy?

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
Love it he is? He was so thankful. I mean,
he's like, oh my gosh, thank you for turning me
on to this. You know, he really really loves the show.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
Good stuff, Okay, Miriam. I really appreciate you coming on
sharing that for our listeners.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
Oh and I so appreciate you. I really do appreciate
everything you do, and I love your show, and I
wish you so much luck. And you know, I know
that you know, for the time being, you want to
keep it, you know, keep it a small way you're
doing here. I think it's great, but I wish you
much much, much success.

Speaker 3 (01:12:35):
Thank you, Miriam. It's been lovely talking to you. Okay,
you take care of yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
Okay, we talk to you soon. Okay, thank you, bye
bye bye bye.

Speaker 3 (01:12:43):
Now that's all for this week. Keep updated and connected
with the show on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram. And if
you've had an encounter that you'd like to share on
the podcast, you can email me at UFO Chronicles at
gmail dot com, or you can reach out to me
via the contact page on my website at UFO Chronicles
podcast dot com. A big thank you to Stephen and

(01:13:04):
Miriam for sharing tonight, and thank you all for listening.
I will be back next week. Till then, stay safe
and keep watching us guies. Goodbye,

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