Ep.244 Arrowhead

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ever liberty four Calm, calm andunidentified flying object about Welcome. Welcome to

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UFO Chronicles, a place where peopleshare their experiences of the strange and unexplained.
If you've had an encounter I wouldlike to be on the show,
you can email me at UFO Chroniclesat gmail dot com. Hello everyone,

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and welcome to the show. Howare you all doing? I'm Nick Canta
and this is the UFO Chronicles podcast. We're in California tonight to speak to
Christian about his multi UFO sightings andother strange experiences. Christian up next.
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Hello Christian, Welcome to the show. Hello, thank you, thank you
for coming on today. And you'recalling from California. Yes, Collin from
California, Southern California. Great stuff. Okay, Now, Christian, you
have some experiences to share with us. Would you like to start a beginning
please, sir? Yeah, I'mgoing to try to do this in order

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of from my youth to present time, and that way I won't hopefully leave
anything out. It'll just kind offlow from how things went, you know,
from one stage to the next.So as a child, you know,
I came from a pretty pretty poorfamily. My parents were, you
know, in the States, whatyou would consider like hippies. You know,

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I'm in my fifties, so thiswas probably back in the in the
sixties, and you know, therewere different types of hippies at that time.
There was a heavy religious type,and then there was the atheists.
And my parents were the atheists,and so they had we had no religion
growing up. No God, nospirits, no no ghosts, no aliens,

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no anything. They just they didn'tbelieve in anything. And so that
trickled down to me and just wasknow my lifestyle as well, and so
I didn't experience any of these thingsthat we're going to be talking about.
So things that would happen, Ididn't really understand what they meant. So,
you know, growing up and beinga child, at night, I

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would have what I would call nowmaybe like night terrors, fear waking up
and I feel like there was somethingmaybe in the room with me, and
you know, my parents just tookit as just me just being a silly
kid. So this continued and neverreally understanding what it was. My personality
was always my parents would make jokesthat I had this sort of a sense

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of urgency to my personality. Yeah, it just that never really quite made
sense. I remember getting up atnight and trying to sleep in my parents'
bedroom, and you know, theywouldn't want me to bother them, so
I'd sleep in the hallway. AndI never really understood what it was that
was scaring me so intensely because itstarted at one point and I never had

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a problem before, and then itfaded out at one point. So you
know, there's that I you know, went along with my life, you
know, grew up, got married, had a child, and I had
a two or three experiences that startedchanging things. I had a friend that
passed away. He was sleeves tattoostattooed on both arms, I'll explained to

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some minutes, and he had passedaway, and since it was my first
time experiencing death like that, Ididn't go to his funeral. And I
think it was probably two or threemonths or somewhere, maybe two or three
weeks after he had passed away.I had had a dream, and I
don't really I'm calling it a dream, but I don't know if it was

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really a dream where I'm in thedark and I see this image in front
of me, and something's telling methat it's that it's him, and I
have this vision of these tattoos andthe image just coming closer to me,
and I see this arm sling upin the air and take a swing at

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me, and I Jolton, andI wake up from you know, the
dreams, and I knew it washim, and I took it as him
being disappointed in me because I didn'tgo to his funeral, and so from
me coming from a non religious background, this was just the beginning of something

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sort of like you know, triggeringin me, you know. And so
a year later, I actually hadanother friend passed away, and this was
a buddy of mine's brother, andI did go to the funeral, and
a buddy of mine that was alsoa friend of us, he went to
the funeral and it was very emotionaland we left and I had gone home,

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and for that next few weeks,I was commuting to the San Diego
area from where I lived to work, and so it took almost a couple
hours to get to work and thenyou know, a couple hours get home.
So I had a lot of timeto think, and I kept having
these really off the wall thoughts aboutmy buddy where I could almost feel like

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this not telepathy, but this strangecommunication type thing, and it was almost
leading me to some things where Iwent and visited some old friends of his
that I really wasn't even acquainted with. And then one evening, when I
was leaving work, I heard Ican't say it was telepathy, but just
something form of communications of someone sayingof him saying goodbye, and I kind

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of jolted to myself and said outloud, okay, good goodbye. And
the feelings left and more are gone. I didn't have any more experiences with
that. So again I'm having somethingthat's sort of leading me with this spirituality
thing that I really wasn't associated withmy life. It was pointing towards something,
you know that I you know,that I didn't grow up with.

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Again, I had a third friend, which who was my best friend,
who had passed away probably like anotheryear or so after this, and this
was you know, this, thiswas my best friend that I had thrown
up with and I didn't even knowthat he had passed away for the first
year, but we had had afalling out and we hadn't been speaking,

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and then I decided I want toget ahold of him. And I was
having trouble getting ahold of him.So I called his ex girlfriend and she
had said to me that she washaving trouble getting ahold of him as well,
and so I said to her,well, you know, maybe we
should try to get this figured outand see if we can, you know,
figure out where he is, ifhe moved, or what's going on.
So I put my feelers out andI started doing my homework a little

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bit come to find out that hehad passed away. And as soon as
we had both found that out,you know, me and his ex girlfriend,
within days, I started having thesestrange experiences. My ben ex wife
would come to visit me and ourkid, and she was telling me that
she was seeing some form of likeshadow figures in my kitchen. And when

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I would wash the dishes when Icome up from work, I always felt
like there was somebody standing behind me. That that feeling that you get when
there's someone there even though you don'tknow they're there. And it just kept
happening for weeks, and my kidwas having strange dreams about my buddy and
was acting very emotional about it.My buddies ex girlfriend had called me and

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said that toys like that she hadon her mantle that didn't even have batteries
in them were going off and movingand it was scaring her. She was
feeling very uncomfortable. One night,I had fallen asleep on the couch after
work, and in my kitchen,i'm a refrigerator. I have pictures all

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over it of friends and family anddifferent events and things. And I'm laying
on the how can I hear thiswrap this sound? And I think,
what the heck? And I sayout loud, I don't want to deal
with this right now. And Idon't even know why I said that,
And I get up and I goin the kitchen and laying on the floor
is a picture of my ex wife. It's the only thing that has fallen

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off the refrigerator. And I don'teven want to use the words fall off
because it was like ripped off.I mean it just smacked into the wall.
So that kind of that kind oftripped me out a little bit.
And then two or three maybe fourdays after that, once again, I'm
washing the dishes, my kids inthe living room watching television, and I'm

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wearing a tank top and I'm gettingthis feeling again that there's someone behind me,
and I feel on the shoulder partof my tank top. I feel
something. Someone lifts the shoulder andtug on my shirt. But reach me
out, man. I turned aroundand yelled at my kids. Somebody just

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touched me. I mean, itwas obvious, just bizarre, and you
know, I was putting the piecesto get together of what I thought it
was, you know, with myfriend passing away and all that. After
that, everything stopped, it didn'thappen anymore. And then you know,
once again, you know, thatwas so extreme. I was having these

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feelings of jeez, you know,there is something much more going on out
there, much larger, like thisis just so obvious, and all the
things I had been taking up justseemed long like it we just you know,
with my family and whatnot, theyjust sort of like miss missed the
road on the bigger picture. Sowith those three things happening, you know,

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nothing else you know, ever happenedwith you know, deaths or anything
like that. But It kind ofput me in a state of mind where
I started looking into people that ithad experienced near death experiences, and I
started watching videos on it, stuffgoing on the Internet and just just you
know, out of curiosity and wantingto learn more, and that coincidentally,

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I guess it's coincidentally, I startedbumping into videos about UFOs and aliens and
different things like that, and itwas something that I've never really put any
thought or time into. You know. There was stuff about what people called
the Grays and I had never evenheard that word before. I never even

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had had they even thought of anythingof that that there was actually a title
put to what these characters were,and I was just really intrigued. I
started watching lots of videos and tryingto gain information on it and learned different
things I could about it. Sowhile I'm on that path, one day,

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I'm sitting at home alone and Ithought to myself, you know,
I haven't I haven't meditated in along time, you know, I used
to do it once in a greatwhile. And there was nobody home.
I was home alone. So Isat down on the living room floor and
I got myself relaxed, and Istarted meditating a little bit, and I

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said to myself, you know,I'm looking into all these subjects and whatnot.
It's something kind of new to me. If there is anybody out there,
I really would I really want tosee a UFO. I really would
like to experience something like that.And then you know, I just finished
meditating and went on with my day. I think about three or four days

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later, I'm taking my dog fora walk like I always did, and
I'm walking and I look up inthe sky and I see frozen. It
looked like frozen in time, likea painting. There's this object just spitting
there, frozen, and I'm lookingand I'm thinking, what am I looking

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at here? So I had broughtmy binoculars I would keep them with me,
and I look up at this thingand it's like, I don't know
how I can explain this. Idon't know. If you've ever seen the
show Star Trek, the old StarTrek, there's the large ships that you
know they always see the Star Trekshow over the people flying in and then

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they had these little crafts that theywould use to go to the planet.
And it was this boxy looking,real generic looking ships. That's what this
thing looked like it looked like awhite shoe box tilted in the sky,
and it just blew my mind.I couldn't believe what I was looking at,

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and I knew that's what it was. I mean, it was obvious.
I mean, I'm looking at itwith the binoculars. So anyways,
my neck started getting kind of stiff, and so I looked down just for
a foot second to stretch my neckout, and I looked back up and
puff it was gone. Nothing there. So now this just leads one thing

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to another. After that, Iwas just my mind was just blown away.
In between what I had experienced withmy friends and near death stuff and
looking into the UFOs and having thisexperience, I just went off the rails,
like just completely into it. Istarted watching reading, you know,

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David Jacobs's books. I looked intoBob Bazarre, but Hopkins, all all
of them. I did more readingthan I've ever had done in my life.
And why I was day and night, you know, being a construction
worker. I had my EarPods on. I would listen to stuff while I
was at work. I was probablydriving my family crazy. I started looking

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into you know, big Foot cropcircles, ancient aliens, pyramids, and
it was things that other people hadbeen in the had, you know,
had had known about, but becauseof my upbringing, I was just completely
ignorant to the things. Like Ialmost felt stupid that I had missed all
this, you know, the storyof Barney and Betty and Travis Walton.

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I knew nothing of it. Ieven had mentioned it to my family and
they were like, as, it'sall fake. So as I'm experiencing all
these things and becoming more in tunewith myself and the subjects, other things
that had happened in the past startedmaking more sense, like dreams and things

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that I just oh, I'd alwaysgo back to them, wondering how it
was weird, you know, butnever understanding why, you know, what
it was, you know, Idon't. I guess I call them dreams,
but I don't even know if that'seven what they were. But I'll
tell you a few of them thatI had had and I carried with me
all these years. So one ofthem was a dream that I had had,

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and I never understood what it meant. What I thought it was me
undressed, looking standing in a cornerof a room and I'm out of my
body, trying to hold my bodyup like I'm on the ground with my
hands on my sighs. That's howI saw it. But then once I
started understanding all these things, Ithought, oh my god, no,

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that's not what this dream was.This is my body lying on a table
with no clothes on in this white, white room, and I'm floating above
the body with my hands on thesize, trying to get back into my

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body, if that makes sense toyou, And I thought, my god,
yes, that is exactly what thatis. I can see the room
is kind of well lit, whitewhite, and a little mistiness to it,
like a dampness to it. Ican't see anybody around me, but
I feel that there's a presence.And you know, I mean, obviously

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people can't float above their body,so I I'm assuming, you know,
with what I gathered, Moliss,and I'm in like a spirit form in
some way or something. So youknow that, you know, that started
making sense to me. A dreamthat I had when I was just a
kid. I remember me and mydad falling asleep on the couch late at
night one night, and us wakingup and having to go to bed,

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and me getting up and saying tomy dad as we're walking into the kitchen
to get like a glass of wateror something. My dad, while we
were sleeping, I left. Ileft my body and he's like, what
I said, when we were sleeping, I left my body, and he's
just like, that's nice, let'sgo to bed. And that just you

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know that it just was forgotten about. I always carried it along with me,
but he didn't remember. And thenanother one, another one that a
little bit more significant that I reallydidn't understand until just recently. I had
had a dream, flash vision,whatever you want to call it. Where
I'm looking. This is hard tohard probably someone for anybody to envision this.

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I'm looking downwards and I see whatis really brownish red looking dirt,
and I'm moving closer to it,and I'm not completely understanding what this is.
And I can see what I thoughtwere people lying on a beach around
me. They looked like they werelying in this dirt. And then something

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like encloses like a line when acrossthe dirt, and I thought it was
a wave of water. So whatI figured out what this all was is
me lying face down on a tablelooking downward the craft has some type of
invisibility ability, like where you cansee through it. And I'm seeing it

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coming down landing in this cave.And what I thought were people lying on
a beach or other people lying sitting, laying on tables unconscious, and what
I thought was a wave is thecraft, you know, aligne going across
you know, it reappearing and turninginto a solid object, if that makes

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sense. And once it turns intoa solid object, the whole room turns
white, like the white white withthese like beams going in a circle around
me. And I can see myselfgetting up and turning around, getting off
of the table. And then Samsomething changes, And when I look back

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at the table, I see myselfon the table, but I'm not on
the table. But I'm looking backat myself and I'm now I'm like nine
feet tall, like I'm looking downon myself, and I can see myself
drift away from the table. Isee the other people. I can see
somebody I don't know what you know, I can't tell their features. I

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can see someone almost sitting at likea desk or something looking up at me.
And then I just sort of fallout of the craft and now I'm
in the cave and I can seearound me like this a large opening of
this real red dirt this cave,and I can see tunnels and it looks
like they have like these metal platformthings on the ground that you can walk

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on, so, you know,so you don't get dirt on you.
And I can see like a railing, and there's three tunnel openings and it
gets dark, you know, goinginto these tunnels. I'm standing there or
floating there, or whatever you wantto call it, and I see two
figures coming towards me, and it'sa girl with some young man, and
the girl is completely nude. Herskin is chalky chalky white. She's maybe

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five and a half feet or soall I'm not very tall, attractive looking
young girl, and she walks rightbasically like right through me, and I
turn and look behind me, andI can see her from the back and
the person walking with her, andI see everything around me, and then
push it's over. I wake up, and I'm in my room looking around

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completely, I mean, just offthe wall. But now that I understand
things more, it makes makes sense. So then another one that I had
had is I'm standing there that mysurroundings seem very like a war almost typesetting,
where things are leveled to the groundand it looks gosh, I don't

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I don't know just what you seelike in movies, like in you know,
a type war type movies. AndI look up at the sky and
the sky looks like it's on fire. It's red. The whole sky is
a clouds and they're blood red likea flame. And I'm looking up and
I see this giant craft moving acrossthe sky in front of me, going

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from left to right, and itlooks like if you took an aircraft carrier
that you see in the ocean andflipped it upside down and made it about
six times larger, longer, andwider, and it's just moving across the
sky. Boom. Dream's over.Then another one I had where I'm sitting

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and I'm looking at a very largescreen in almost like almost a TV screen,
like I'm sitting there watching something,and I see behind the screen it's
dark out like nighttime. I seethis giant wave ocean waves that's coming coming,
and it's coming and it crashes overthe screen and comes and crashes over

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me and whoever's there. The dream'sover. Then my final one that relates
to all this stuff is I'm thedream starts and I'm at my home.
I'm outside once again. It's nighttime, and I'm standing there and I'm looking
to the sky and I see thisindividual. He looks like me, but

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he's green. He has golden likeGod, how I explain this, Almost
like an angel. He's got thesegiant golden wings. He's floating. He's
green. His arms are patched outlike in the wings, and in each
of the golden wings, he hasthese green emeralds. And he's looking at
me and he almost has like adisappointed look on his face, and he

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is I mean, at least helooks like he's me. And then I
go to my knees and I startcrying, and I'm looking at this individual
and I'm calling out to my exwife saying, you know, you gotta
come, You've gotta come see this, and I'm getting more and more emotional,
and then click, it's over.The dreams. So you know,

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those things just sort of had ahad an effect on me. Originally,
when I had the dreams, Ithought they were nothing, but it just
all felt like it was all likeleading, leading towards something. You know
and makes more sense now that Isee it from a different perspective. So
during this time and moving on forward, I had other UFO experiences other than

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that one, and I'll tell youknow those. I'll just kind of put
them all together in one story.Multiple times, when I first started having
the experiences, in the morning,I would go check on my ex wife's
pet because she'd be at work,and I would always be in my binoculars
with me. Ever since I hadthat one experience, I would always just
keep them around. I keep themin the car horor just keep them available.

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And I'm in our backyard and Ilook in the sky and I see
this early in the morning. Isee this. It looks like an egg,
but it's made out of metal floatingin the sky. I grabbed my
binoculars. I'm looking up at it, and this thing is it's still that's
way way up there. Still isin you know, I mean, it's

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not moving. And then it juststarts real slowly going like at a forty
five degree angle going up. Itstarts tumbling like it's slowly rotating. And
I'm thinking, my god, otherpeople have got to see this. But
you know, who knows if theydid. So I sit there and my
next hurting, I try to likelay on the ground almost to try to

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sit there and watch it, andit just keeps going. It keeps tumbling,
and then it kind of goes upup into the clouds a little bit,
and then I see a flash ofred wat living flash and then poofs
gone. I started every so oftenseeing what I called orbs. And it's
hard to explain because I use theword orbs, but there was like two

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tights. There was what people callorbs that I would say, We're like
like spiritual, white little miniature cloudsthe size of like a full table ball,
floating through the sky, and theirshapes would change. Sometimes they was
almost they were they had intelligence behindthem, like they could communicate. I'd
be watching them through my binoculars andthey could make themselves look like a square.

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They could kind of move up anddown. I had one one time
that it had stretched itself into liketwo eggs but attached in the middle and
was spinning in the sky. Andit just sat there, spinning, and
I kept looking at it in thebinoculars and I put my head down because
my neck would hurt. And thenlook that guy back up Jesus. Things

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just it's not leaving, it's juststaying there. And then what also what
I would call orbs, but theyweren't orbs. I just don't know what
else to call them. These thingsthat were they were around and they produced
light, but they were not spirituallooking things. They were like metal.
They're like a metal ball, andthey would come in different colors sometimes and

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I could see them, you know, shooting across the sky, or if
I was looking at something, Icould see them blast across the sky.
Well, one time when I wasat work, this is just shortly after
I started seeing these things, Iwas working outside and I saw one of
these, you know, orb lookingI don't know, maybe they're ghosts or
something set looking things, and itwas massive and I'm looking at that and

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I think, is that is thata plastic bag that is drifting in the
wind. I mean, it's gotit's huge. I mean, is it
a freaking trash bag, like abig one. And this thing is stretching
like a like a thick cloud,moving and it's just staying there like way
up in the sky, you know, staying with me. And I just

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thought, God, this is thishas got to mean something. You know,
this is just really too this isnot normal, you know, so
you know, I just started madea note of it. It eventually just
drifted away. And another night,this was the big one. Once again.
I go to my ex wife's house. Was at night, I think
she once again was out of town, and I go in the backyard I

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was checking on the animals. Waspure black out, dark a nighttime,
and I look in the sky andI see way way of like you know,
like you're looking into the stars.I see this looks like a flame
and it's getting closer. It's comingat like a downwards forty five degree angle,
and it's like this fireball. AndI think to myself, oh,

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it's a meteor or you know,something like that. You know, I
don't know what to think it is. It's coming down, but then it
looks like it's the forty five degreeangle. It's turning. It's almost like
it's trying to level out, andI think, oh, man, this
is something. I gotta get mybinoculars. So I run to the car
and grabbed the binoculars. I comeback and I throw the binoculars up to

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look and it's whatever it was isno longer a fireball. You know,
this is amazing. It it turnedinto this, how to explain it,
an arrowhead shaped craft that's the sizeof two or three football fields, So
if you can imagine a triangle shape, but an arrowhead has a the back

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end to it that sticks out,So that's what this object looked like.
And on each corner there's a circularwhite like light that's attached on each of
the corners, and they're lighting upand then dimming, and then lighting up

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and then dimming. And this thing'sjust gliding across the sky how almost how
a jet plane would be, justsmooth as filt moving across the sky.
I'm watching it, and then onthe back end of it, behind it,
you can see like it looks likefireworks on the back of it,
red spireworks that are like criss crossingin the sky, some type of energy

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or something. I can't even describewhat it is. And I'm just watching
it. It's just, you know, I'm taking myself out. My god.
Other people must be seeing this.It's going to try to like go
away at some point or something,but it's just casually just goes along at
twenty until I can't see it anymore. I mean, chess blew my mind,
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free in Google Play and the iOSapp Store. So you can imagine,
as I've progressed, there was thesestories. It's just becoming you know,
more and more relevant all these things. And as these things are happening in
my life, I'm still you know, watching videos, reading books, you

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know, trying to trying to learnthings, you know, information gathering other
experiences that people have had. Iended up finding on me which is,
you know, what some other peoplehave described as a scoop s mark,
which is something on you that onyour skin that looks like if you were
to take an ice cream scooper,it would have to be like a tiny

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little miniature one and a little scoopof your flesh is taken out and it
leaves a little tiny indentation and thenyou know, a smooth over the top.
I've seen it on other people,and I remember one night my mom
had told me when I was bornthat the doctor had said, oh,
that's kind of odd that he whateverthis is, he has on him.

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You know, we never thought aboutit then, but after I'd heard from
other abductees, I put two andtwo together, and sure enough, you
know, that's that's what it seemedlike it was. You've had some other
people on the show that it alsotalked about this. I have two very
strange scars on my lower part ofmy back. They are thin, they're

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probably each of them. They're twoinches long, just paper thin and perfectly
straight. I don't know where theycame from, but I've always had them
there and I have just horrible backpain. And I have heard that from
other people that I kind of justkind of put two and two together on
it. So, you know,as all these things are collecting in my

(33:42):
life, I came to a spotwhere I thought, you know, I've
heard many stories from other abductees.You know, am I an abductee?
You know, you know I havethese things that have happened, but nothing's
really clear telling me that I'm apart of something. I just, you
know, maybe I'm just some guythat's had some experience. So I make
the decisions to do hypnosis because I'mthinking, now, this could maybe open

(34:07):
my eyes to some things that maybeare hidden underneath the surface and I just
haven't gotten to them yet. Ido some research and I find a pretty
well known I'm not going to seetheir name, but a very well known
hypnotherapist that does, you know,the stuff for abductees. And it was

(34:28):
kind of strange because before I evenmade the connection with this person, I
started feeling very ill, and itwas almost felt like something was trying to
distract me from doing this. AndI'll get to why I'm telling you this.
So I ended up just talking tothe person on the phone and not
having a session, and we talkedabout my experiences and the things I'm telling
you about, and they talk aboutother things and tell me their stories that

(34:52):
they've heard, and we have apretty long conversation about everything, and I
don't really take it any further thanthat. But like I had said,
I was feeling extremely ill prior toconnecting this is with this person, to
the point where I almost felt likeI needed to go to the hospital.
The day before I actually made thephone call to this person, and it
felt like something was trying to likestop me. So I felt like,

(35:15):
if there is something out that theywere just being mean to me and trying
to keep me from having my experiencethat I felt like I deserved. But
what ended up happening, this isreally bizarre. I started having after I
had talked to this person. Thatit probably was just within a week or
so, you know, going towork, taking the dog for a walk,

(35:37):
I started noticing helicopters, and Ithought, oh, no, no,
no, no, this is silly. You know, I've heard these
stories about the helicopters and whatnot,and I don't even believe this stuff.
So I didn't say anything about itto anybody, you know, even though
I noticed these things happening. Soone day I'm that way X house and

(36:00):
it's the weekend or something. She'son her back porch and she's having a
glass of wine or something, youknow, just out in the backyard area.
And I'm in her house and I'mwashing like a cup or something,
and I can see her through thewindow in the kitchen and looked out to
the backyard, sitting out there,and I'm looking at her, and she
says out loud, she goes,hey, I know this is going to

(36:22):
sound weird, but I think there'sa helicopter watching me and I about to
a back split I go off andI'm like what. She goes, Yeah,
I'm sitting he having wine, andit looks like going in a very
large, like one mile round circle. This helicopter keeps coming back to this

(36:44):
position where it's in front of me, you know, far far away,
and it's just sitting there, andthen I'll do it again, and I
think, oh my goodness. Sothen I tell her my stories. I
mean I would be on a walkwith my dog dogs and they would just
show up. If I was tryingto make contacts in the backyard with you

(37:06):
know, with crafts or something lookingwith my binoculars, they would come flying,
you know, almost over the houseand not even try to hide themselves,
to be oddous to stop and lookat me. I had one where
I was in the back watering thelawns and I could hear very faintly,
just this real slight. Just what'sthat noise? What is that? And

(37:30):
I look up and I see justthis thought straight above me in the sky,
and I think, I can't evensee what this is. So I
once again I grabbed the binoculars,and it's this I didn't even know it
was this heelicopter. I didn't evenknow helicopters could fly the high This thing
is so far up there and itlooks like this pretty high tech, tight

(37:53):
helicopter and they're just sitting there stations. So I, you know, I
put two and two to get mythings. You know, I don't want
to saything bad about the you know, the hypnotherapist person, but either somebody
was like tapping her phone, youknow, or something, and they thought
that they could kind of like catchup with me when I was having an

(38:15):
experience or something. Whoever they are, you know, a three letter agency
or something. You know. Thiscontinued for a little while, and then
one day it just stopped and Iactually tried to back away from you knowing
going out and using the binoculars andlooking for UFOs and stuff. I kind
of like tried to play dumb fora while and just you know, step

(38:36):
away from X was kind of freakingme out, and that you know,
the helicopters that did eventually stop altoor at least I think it stopped unless
they got more self but those experiencesstended. So that was really weird because
I would hear stories from other peopleand think that they are just crazy or
they are making it up, butno, it's real. So after that

(38:58):
faded out, I got more comfortablewith, you know, going and you
know, sitting out back and lookingfor stuff in the sky. One day,
I'm sitting back in the backyard andI'm not having much luck looking for
anything in the sky, and Ifall asleep, just sitting there in my
lounge chair, and I not offa little bit, and I start hearing

(39:21):
this noise like like a a commercialairplane. Okay, you know we have
planes that fly over the house.I look up and up in the sky
is this all white commercial plane,big plane that has no markings on it.
The windows look like they're kind oflike bogged out. You know,

(39:42):
there's no numbers, there's no brand, there's no stripe, just white.
And on each wing there's smoke comingoff the wings. And this thing flies
directly over me and just you know, keeps going and goes off and it
leaves this trail of the smoke thatstays, that stays in the sky for
a long time. I say,time of starting on. This is kind

(40:05):
of weird. This is not Iknow, I'm looking at the sky all
the time and I see commercial plans. Is not normal. So then that
night goes by next day, nextthe next evening. In the evening,
I'm going to my house, Ijust come back from somewhere. I'm taking
the keys to I'm off the doorto nighttime, and I hear that sound
again. I think, oh,that it sounds like another commercial plane.

(40:28):
So I look and it's dark out, it's night. I see this white
commercial plane again. Does the samething comes straight over me. It's really
high in the sky this time,and that's got smoke coming off of each
wing. Goes directly over me andcontinues on same plane like no markings on
it. Non't. I mean,it's just too obvious that it is the

(40:49):
same thing. And I think formyself, gosh, you know, you
know, I don't know why I'mfeeling this way, but I feel like
it's a message. And I thinkthe message is something to do with what
we would call kim trails. AndI you know, I can only make
assumptions. I know, I don'tknow why that there this is being you
know, brought to my attention,but there's something there with that, you

(41:13):
know. I have my my viewson it, but I won't get all
into that right now. But definitelyfelt like somebody was trying to tell me
something. So the orbs that Iwould see once in a while, like
I said, some of those notthe ghostly looking arms, with just the
regular metal looking orbs. They wouldcome, and sometimes they would come in
different colors. There was like afew different colors that whatever was lighting them

(41:37):
up, they would be kind ofglowing in that color, you know,
whether it be like red or blueor you know, like a yellowish,
you know color. And how Ithought of this, I don't know,
but I thought, I wonder ifI can communicate a question and say,
you know, if this question iswhite, you know, whatever I'm asking,

(42:01):
send me one of those orbs inthat color, and then and then
you know, if I'm wrong,and you just don't do anything. And
I kept trying to do it fora while and eventually it worked and I
got to where I was. Everyso often I would think of just a
real, you know, simple questionand then get my binoculars and look up

(42:22):
into the sky and and look tosee if they would, you know,
answer my questions. And so I'lltell you a few of the things that
you know, this took months todo this because sometimes if I'd asked the
question, it would take days forthem to come. These are some of
the questions I asked and got areply. So I had asked questions about,
you know, because at this pointI was wondering if I was an

(42:43):
abductee. And you know, youcan call people abductees or experiences or contactees
whatever what all this is. Andthe replies I got were an abductee is
not from Earth. Abductees are fromneighbor planets. And you hear sometimes people
talking about this. You know,if people abductees will say that the beings

(43:07):
would tell them that they're they're fromthe Pleiades, or they're from O'Brien or
serious. And I don't know whythey don't take them more serious when they're
told this, but that's what Iwas told, and that abductees weren't invited
or volunteered to come to here andto help with what they call the change

(43:30):
and as well to help with providingwomen would help to provide with with eggs
and men for sexual fluids for youknow, creating children and as well.
Abductees were here to like learn abouthuman culture and just the whole, you

(43:52):
know, just the way of lifehere. And so I had asked,
you know, various questions on thatsubject. You know, some people probably
already know about these things. Andthen I even got into I had asked
a few questions about bigfoot or sasquatch, whatever you want to call it.
This is what I got out ofit. This is very interesting. Bigfoot

(44:13):
is not from this planet. Bigfootis brought here by the aliens, and
it is used as like a helperor something. It can look out,
you know, because they're so sohealthy and so agile. They can you
know, comb to the forests,and you know, they can use it
as a way to have oh thecheck on the environment, you know,

(44:34):
actually, you know, it actuallycheck on the health of the environment,
and you know, checking out rivers, streams, the animals, all all
various things, and is even usedto scare the heck out of abduct these
slash experiencers. And I thought,you know, and asked, why,
you know, why would you wantto scare the abductees, and I guess

(44:57):
it's to help them to accept whothey are and to start opening their eyes
to who they are, you know, because it's such an extreme, strange
experience that kind of starts sending youdown this path that I got sent down
with my friend's death. And sothey can use it for that purpose.
So hopefully that makes sense. Andthen other things that I had learned were

(45:23):
when you talk about the Grays theirblack eyes that people always talk about those
those aren't their eyes. Those arelenses. They're like sunglasses. It's a
thing that suction cuts over their actualeyes that protect their eyes. They have
trouble being in extreme light lit areas, and as well, these lenses can

(45:46):
do, you know, probably thingsthat we don't understand, as well as
like you know, night vision andother types of things. And I know
this response that they gave me tobe true because when I looked into the
Travis Walton case, had said thatwhen he had gotten off the table and
had had this experience with the Grays, they just had regular eyes. They

(46:06):
had big eyes, and the pupilwas kind of like you know, cat
eyes shapes, but they didn't haveblack eyes. And other people have said
the same thing. But like Travishas said that that the lighting was kind
of dim, and you know,wasn't you know, really well lit.
So when people talk about these blackeyes, that it is not what people

(46:28):
think it is. That is nottheir eyeball other things that they had told
me. I know, I hearpeople talking about the tall Blondes or the
Nordics. They are hybrids. They'renot some creature from another planet with the
whole race of them that are coming. I think there was a guy that
wrote a book on it. No, they're hybrids. They as they're doing

(46:51):
the hybridization process with people, thestages that we go through is almost like
evolution, as they're adding alien andDNA to human DNA. If you you
know, say if you started atpoint one and point ten is a mantis
being or one of the grays,you start out as like a caveman to

(47:13):
a person, you know, likea hybrid type. And then as it
progresses forward, people say that thebeings kind of look like a tall blonde
or a Nordic and then more alienDNA they kind of look like what people
would call it cat people. Iknow people have said, oh, they
look like cat people. And it'sjust because the nose is starting to fade

(47:35):
out and the mouth is becoming morelike a split and eyes are kind of
getting larger and maybe a little bitmore and so they have that impression of
cat like and then as there's moreDNA added to the next PAP would be
someone that's like a a tall grayand then probably, you know this is
just my speculation, something more likea a mantis type creature, almost something

(47:57):
similar to like which bar and Bettyexperience. I know she made like a
play cast of one of them.So that's that's what I got out of
them. Out of that, thoseare like the stages of the changes.
Oh men and black. Yeah,this is a subject that I hear people
talking about all the time too.They didn't tell me this, but this
is my personal opinion from what I'vegathered out of everything. The men in

(48:21):
black, from what i've you know, from stories and things I put together,
they are some type of a workerbe for some higher up being that's
sort of regulating overseeing what is goingon here. As far as you know
what I'm calling the change, that'salmost like they show up when something happens

(48:43):
and they make sure that things don'tget too far out of hands. And
you know, people say they showup in suit and tie, and it's
always in black, and it's alwayssomething like a vintage almost type style.
So be in a black car andit's like a Cadillac from the nine fifties
or something, you know, Andpeople say that sometimes the men are kind

(49:05):
of tall, sin and just lookkind of odd. You know, I
mean, our three letter agencies.They aren't going to do something silly like
that that. This is just somethingthat totally fits with how they do things.
So I've heard other people talk aboutseeing the beings on the craft and
when the would see them in clothing, sometimes it would almost look they're wearing
something from the cowboy type age issomething that's just completely outdated and misdated.

(49:30):
And so to me that just kindof fits with that. But like I
said, that's just my opinion.And there is no evil aliens or an
alien war, or aliens coming herethat are in search of gold, or
the aliens are dying and they needour DNA to save their race, Aliens

(49:50):
wanting to take over the earth,none of that. Those are just stories
you know, from in from I'vegathered from them and then my research combined
with what I've gathered from them,none of that stuff it says, it
just doesn't make sense. And let'ssee, like one of my final things
on this topic that I had figuredout was cow mutilations and from what I
gathered from them, and you knowwhat I've put together for myself, it's

(50:15):
something to do with our health becausewe eat meat and we drink milk,
and you know, cows are abig part of society as far as in
food. They are taking these cowsand they're testing them and they can find
out through the cows stages of whatthe planet is going through as far as
the health of the planet, youknow, and you know there's always that

(50:37):
saying you are what you eat.You know, I know I know this
to be true. But beyond that, my opinion is because people say,
well they have they look like they'vebeen mutilated. I think that some of
these like laser line cuts on thecows and this precisionry. It's to leave
that question in people, for themto look at it, make a conversation

(50:59):
of about it and say this doesn'tmake sense to create a form of disclosure,
but leave that question mark there,you know, that's what I gathered
from it. So I know thatone of the things that they had tried
to really explain is that, youknow, people take their life so seriously,
this is just the end of theroad, and I really have experienced

(51:20):
that with my parents. This iswhat I've gathered from them, and I
really want people to pay attention tothis. Living your life is life.
Going to school, this is schooltime, and then when you die,
that is home. What I've gatheredfrom what they've explained to me, the
soul goes home after it's gone toschool basically, and death the soul goes
home. And your time here iseducation time, and it's not your you

(51:45):
know, your final destination, andit isn't all that you have. And
you're going to go to school manymany times. And as your soul grows
and strengthens and becomes more capable,you're learning is your experiences, and you
let go of say you've had amillion experiences, you've have all these memories,
You let go of that, allof that for that time being that

(52:05):
you here, so you can focuson your now time experience and then you
take that back with you and addthat to all the other experiences that you've
had. But death is not theending. Death is nothing near to that.
It's the much larger picture. Itis who you are, Your soul
is who you are. Your bodyis merely a container. If you're driving

(52:28):
a car, the car is thecontainer and you're driving the car. That's
basically what it is. I know. I really want to emphasize that because
growing up with how I experience things, I did not see anything that way,
and it can be very depressing tosee things as so final. That's
not how things are. I knowthis to be true with everything I've experienced,

(52:51):
and so to get to you know, I'm getting closer to the bigger
picture here, and you know whatall this adds up to in the end
is the point of this, allof them coming here, of abductees and
the hybrids and the whole big picture. What I've gathered from them and what
they've explained and I've learned from otherabductees and my experiences, is that human

(53:13):
beings are like the people have thesaying of the kids have found the matches.
Humans have discovered nuclear energy can blowup this planet. Have had you
know, We've dropped the bomb,We've tested nuclear weapons. This is hard
to believe it. This is thisis a fact. Almost two thousand times

(53:35):
we've lit off a nuclear weapon fortesting, whether it be in the ocean,
underground, above grounds, you know, wherever. And from what I
gathered from these beings that caused seriousdamage, irreversible damage, they were given
literally no choice but to come here. And from what I've gathered from them,
the abductees that are from neighboring planets, you know, serious clities.

(54:01):
They've treated some type of link betweenthem and Earth, whether it be portals
or wormholes or whatever it is.And if we destroy Earth, it can
be like a domino effect, likea chain reaction and do serious damage to
them. And so coming here andtrying to help humans advance and change their

(54:22):
ways and become more people is forselfish reasons as well, because they don't
want to see you know, theirown place, you know, destroyed,
you know. And on top ofthe fact that you know, with us
creating pollution and toxic waste, andyou know, all the things that we
have done. And I think thatpeople, you know, even people that
kind of understand this stuff, theydon't understand that. Just like what I

(54:45):
was talking about is about life beinga school and death being where you go
your souls destination my personal opinion.They didn't they didn't tell me this,
but you know, here we liveon Earth in a three dimensional world,
and the whole world lean up againstthat three dimensional world. The two are

(55:05):
basically, you know, two carddeck of cards leaning on each other,
and if you damage one, theother one falls over. We have these
two worlds that are leaning on eachother that we bounce back and forth from.
If we destroy this planet, wedestroy both those worlds and leave ourselves
completely homeless, and as well aswe could do the same to the others.

(55:28):
And so that leaves them no choicebut to step in and come up
with an idea of what they callthe change. And I'll try to explain
that as best as I can.So what they call the change is there's
some type of rule. Apparently there'ssome type of beings that are above them
that create the rules for them.And it's a little bit of a mystery

(55:51):
to the aliens to what even theyare like how we feel like the aliens
are a mystery to us. Butthey know enough to know that there's rules
and they're not to mess with thehuman they're not to step on the path
that the humans are going on.So the beings have devised this way to
send out a message into the galaxyto bring aliens in to come here as

(56:13):
humans and to work on repairing this, you know, to get people humans
on the right tract. And partof that is hybrid which is on crafts
are hybrids that are human looking.It's the new future human body. And
they're learning on on craft about youknow, alien life and somewhat of human

(56:35):
culture. And then the abductees arehere on Earth, you know, like
myself or other abductees, living humanlife and living human culture. And I
think there's more and more abductees beingborn coming here each day to where my
personal opinion is there might even bemore abductees and there is humans. And
so as the change comes, whichis also incorporated with disclosure, but what

(57:01):
people call disclosure, from what Iunderstand, is just abductees waking up to
the change, remembering what they werehere for, why they're here, and
what the mission is. And eventually, as hybrids come to being here on

(57:22):
Earth, abductees and hybrids will cometogether and have children, and those children
will be hybrids but will be humansouls will be borne into the hybrids and
those abductees, and you know,alien abductees will raise those those children and

(57:43):
teach them just like a parent does, but will teach them the new ways,
the new peaceful ways, and thenlearn how to use these new abilities
they have, which would be notlike one of the grays or the magazines,
but like a basic form of telepathy. And with this telept that they
is going to bring on other muchlarger things. Oh and as well,

(58:05):
everything's going to change. That planetis going to move into a much higher
vibration where the animals as well aregoing to be hybrids. Different plants are
going to be introduced. The humanswill be taught that all things are energy.
That people, plants, animals,we are all a part of this
energy and all linked together, andwe like that bond that you have creates

(58:31):
this incredible energy, this strength,and unites us with the universe and makes
us a part of the universe insteadof so isolated. And I really truly
believe that when I'm gathering from them, that they're going to teach people this
and hopefully, you know, thegoal is that with that knowledge and with

(58:52):
that information, it'll make people morepeaceful. They'll see the bigger picture and
be taught ways to do things withmore logics as far as you know,
transportation and pollution and different things.You know. The final goal would be,
too, when I gathered from them, is for humans to join with

(59:13):
the Milky Way galaxies. What wouldyou call it, like, you know,
the galactic you know, federation almostkind of like you know, saying
where everybody is nos of each otherand is united. Now, it's not
going to happen tomorrow, but overtime the planets will come together, and
you know, the goal would bethe for all the planets to be united
as one, to be a partof this much larger picture. And beyond

(59:36):
that, I don't know what's goingon with it. So that's how that
all stands, as far as myopinion and what information I've gathered. Tell
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(01:00:25):
all this, I haven't talked awhole lot about myself and where I fit
into all this and what I havelearned. And they've told me this,
this is coming from their mouths.There's different types of abductees. I know
of two, but there may bemore, the abductees that are from neighboring
planets. And I thought, whenI was going through all learning all this,
I said, oh, hey,you know, I'm probably from the

(01:00:47):
Pleiades or something, and oh,how neat is all that you know?
And so when I got to askhim questions and them sending me things to
try to respond, They're like,no, you're not You're not from here,
You're not from the mostly Gale.I thought, what And so what
I had gathered from them is thatme and others that I have met are

(01:01:07):
from a completely different galaxy and havecome as a guest to participate in this,
and that since I'm not and otherslike me aren't from here, obviously
I won't be part of the biggerpicture of uniting with the galaxy. You
know, maybe will get Milky Waygalaxy because I'm not from the galaxy,
so I wouldn't be a part ofthe longer standing process. And I know

(01:01:31):
this because I have seen, youknow, abductees that tell stories about how
the beings have said, oh,you're from the Pleades and you know this
met and they seem to almost babythem, you know, help them get
through steps in life and whatnot stuff. And I've always said to myself,
my god, nobody's ever helped mein my life spent a nightmare than nothing
but work whil it's because I'm notIt's not that they're advantage to help me.

(01:01:54):
I'm just a guest. And byhelping the other abductees helps the bigger
picture of what they're plan is tomake sure they're successful in life and make
sure they don't you know, accidentallyfreaking hurt themselves through different things. So
with me, it's like, youknow, he's just a guest. And
I've asked them, you know,are you guys not helping me because I'm
an outsider, and they have saidyes and no, so there's there's something

(01:02:17):
more to it. But I've alwayshad that feeling, you know, just
an outsider looking in basically, andI've met others that that are like me,
and for me to even have gatheredas much information as I have as
odd for the type that I am, because it's difficult to gather that information.
And as far as what I hadsaid about the bigger picture with with

(01:02:38):
abductees, I think there's millions ofabductees out there that don't even know their
abductees and will never know that they'reabductees. You know, the goal would
be for you to never know forthe most part until it's time and just
go through your life smoothly and notyou know, be stressed over this and

(01:02:59):
you know, confused reason. Youknow, some you know, addictees always
feel like the Boogeyman's out to getme and they're trying to hurt me,
and you know, which is completelyuntrue. And the more majority of abductions
are actually a positive thing because thatpart part of the purpose is too.
It's like a checkup. It's likea doctor's checkup. They bring you up
and they check your help and makesure everything's going okay, and then drop

(01:03:22):
you back off. And so whatpeople call this horrible experience is actually for
a good purpose. So all thatand who I am and the experiences I've
had. Now it's it's starting todie off, and I haven't had the
experiences like that I've had in thepast, and I'm not having it so
much anymore. But I'm feel veryconfident in what I'm saying, and other

(01:03:45):
people that are have experiences and theyseem kind of confused and not know what
you know, how to perceive allof this. And I can't say that
you know everything I'm saying is writtenin stone, but it's pretty close,
and I hope that with what I'msaying can help some people that feel confused
and a little bit unsure of likewhat they're going through and what it all

(01:04:06):
means. It's falls something extremely positiveand may not always feel positive, but
it is the purpose of it isextremely good meaning and in the end,
it's going to be something extremely beautiful. So so Nick, that's that's my
story for the most part. Greatjob, Christian oh Man. I appreciate

(01:04:28):
that. Yeah, you know,Nick, I don't. I can't say
I know this, but you know, part of the reason why I did
this is I feel like you're aspecial individual and I feel that you know
that connection, that that feeling withyou. I can't say I know that
for a fact, but there's definitelysomething there, and I hope that you're
taking the time out when you havetime to investigate. That always good to

(01:04:49):
hear someone saying that you're special.I like that. Yeah, definitely.
So, Yeah, that's pretty muchall I have to give you. That's
the whole barrel of it all.It always minds you of mankind, how
destructive we are and all the problemsthat we have in the world. Always
reminds me of the very beginning oftwo thousand and one Space Odyssey. Oh
my god, the primate first discoversfire and then he starts to attack all

(01:05:14):
the other animals that he lives inpeace with, you know, in the
Golden Age, at the very verybeginning, you know, you get this
power and all of a sudden,that's it destruction that movie. How did
he know so much that? Howdid he just tap into this whole subject?
Yeah, And there's there's a lotof hidden meanings and a lot of
esoteric symbolism within that film, evenright from the very beginning, you know,

(01:05:38):
it's all the way through. Yeah. Now I look at that movie,
it's from in a completely different perspective. Now it just really taps into
the whole thing. And you know, just like what I had said,
you know, I'm simplifying it.Of course. You know, the humans
have found the matches. You knowthat the kids have found the matches.
It's pretty sad. I really hopefor more for in the future, that

(01:06:00):
we'll start waking up to the bologningand start, you know, having this
sort of accountability for things, andstart you know, taking responsibility and try
to grab hold of the world andyou know, make things right. Yeah.
I think the problem we're facing thesedays is of people are too suggestible.
That's not a shot at people's intelligenceor anything like that, because there's

(01:06:21):
a lot of very intelligent people whichare getting bombarded with information constantly. I
mean, you know yourself with theInternet and ads, and you're constantly told
something, sold something. Yeah.Absolutely, it's not always the truth.
People can change things and to buildtheir own narrative, and I think that's
the biggest problem. Because we're bombardedwith so much information these days, people

(01:06:45):
don't know what to believe, andI think a lot of time people end
up believing the wrong thing. Yeah, and it seems like a lot of
it in the end, is allabout money, and that's what it boes
down to. Money and power.Money and power. You know, I
see the bigger picture nowadays, andwe've allowed people to get so insanely filthy
rich that it seems like they've justgotten bored and the money is just not

(01:07:10):
even good enough anymore. They wantpower, they want to they feel this
entitlement that they want to play god. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean,
you have people in power now,which it's just because they just have vast
amounts of money and they can justchange public opinion, and you know they
can. They can be experts ofthings and have their little fingers involved in

(01:07:31):
things which they you know, theyshouldn't be anywhere near. And I think
until people realize that they're people outthere which are changing the world not for
the better but for their own interests, belief or whatever. Yeah, I
always say to myself, you know, there's you can be the bad guys
and you can do horrible things,and you can be what you would call

(01:07:53):
the good guy and say, youknow that person's bad, They're doing all
these horrible things. I'm the goodguy. I don't do those things.
But the reality is is that inorder for things to change, for things
to get better, you can't justbe the good guy. You have to
have accountability. You have to youhave to do something about the bad guy

(01:08:17):
you have. You can't just sitthere. You have to do something to
create a create something positive. Andthat's what people should be doing. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, youknow it. It dates back to
the you know, the kings andqueens days of you know, the peasants
that are just living in the poorhouses, wanting to just meekly be left alone.

(01:08:39):
You know, things never actually changeuntil they get so fed up and
then they start uniting together and nothinghappens until that finally happens. And well,
the kings and the queens of allwould you should do is they would
divide the people. And that iswhat we've sinned for, Like forever,
nothing's changed, It comes and divided. That's why you can't group because when

(01:09:02):
hate each other. You know,that's the thing. Until people realize that,
you know, if you want tomake change, you have to all
come together and do things the rightway. I mean, it's been there
in our face forever. None ofwhat we're seeing in front of us now
is anything new. Like you saidbefore, it's the same you know,
dialogue or whatever you want to callit, regurgitated again. It's like,

(01:09:24):
I think our kids need to gointo the history book and learn from the
past to not repeat in the future. And I think this is what they
rely on. They rely on thefact that when new generations come out,
they're just thrown the same crap andthen accept it. And you're absolutely right
about learning from the past. Peopledon't seem to. Yeah, it's sad.
I really I have high hopes andyou know, and everything that I've

(01:09:47):
talked about, maybe maybe there's we'vereached the point where there is no hope
and there's going to have to besomething you know, drastic that happens.
You know. I can't say Iknow the future, but just seems to
be pointing in that direction. Ithink sometimes things have to get really,
really bad before they get better.You know. I think part of the

(01:10:08):
reason why people are attracted to youand this show is in between you and
the people that are attracted to theshow are this you know, more positive
thing and it it definitely radiates outand makes people feel better and makes people
feel like they're not alone, andyou know, there's others out there like
them, and it's like you hadsaid to me, there's you're getting more

(01:10:30):
people contacting you. You know,hopefully it just keeps progressing in that way.
So the people are contact I mean, the people have as guests,
there are no particular type, youknow, they're They're not only males and
only females. It's every type ofperson you can imagine from so many different
religions and locations and levels of education, different backgrounds. It is such a

(01:10:53):
cross section. It's all about boylearning, I think, you know,
and if people come all come totable and share what they've experienced, and
then people do connect, and peopledo connect with the show, and they
do connect with the guests and stuff, and they want to know more and
they want to learn more. Likeyourself, you were kind of shielded from
this this subject when you're youngest.Oh man, Absolutely, you came to

(01:11:15):
it later. You've definitely caught upnow though. Yeah. Oh I had
to really get in there and getgoing on it. I just felt like
the veil had been lifted over thetop of my head. And I often
see that of a lot of myguests, you know, they grew up
in it. Yeah, in particularbackground you know, sometimes an example would
be said that they were brought upas Catholics. This kind of stuff was

(01:11:36):
just wasn't spoken about as a child. They were, you know, completely
separated from any of the actual possibilitiesin life. Yeah, that's exactly how
you know it was for me,and I see it was others, you
know, and what you had saidabout the all walks of light, you
know, writers and hip hypno therapistpeople like you know Jacobs and you know,

(01:11:56):
Bud Hopkins, they'd say it hadsaid exactly what you said, all
walks the life, I mean peoplefrom one spectrum to the complete other end
of the spectrum, from police officers, the doctors, the homeless people to
somebody living on a reservation. Imean, just every type of life.
Even though we don't always publicize,you know what the person does a lot

(01:12:19):
of people do talk to me offair and yeah, it's the whole spectrum
of people. Yeah, I thinkit just it wrapped around every type.
It doesn't discriminate. No, wonderfulChristie. Yeah, when you began,
you know, you're you're talking aboutyour friend that had passed, and then
later on, yeah, your bestfriend that had passed, you know,
Yeah, you can certainly categorize thatas being unfinished business, you know,

(01:12:42):
you know, oh my goodness.You know when when your friend passed away,
you didn't know, you didn't goto the funeral, which is you
know, that's normal, and itcould just be that your your friend wanted
to simply say goodbye. Yeah,yeah, yeah. I don't know what
his intentions were, but I surefelt his personality because he was kind of
a boisterous person. It just forme left a feeling of that, you
know, it would have been okayto go to the funeral. It's it's

(01:13:04):
a you know that. At thatpoint in time, I just thought it
doesn't matter because there is nothing happeningout there anyways. But as time went
by and I learned more, itdoes matter, not you know, not
necessarily like you have to go tosomeone's funeral, but it does matter.
They mattered, you know what Imean, Yeah, of course, yeah,
And so it just it just ittaught me a lot. And then

(01:13:26):
that put you on a particular path. Oh my gosh, the three you
know situations completely, I mean,who would have guessed? You know,
here, I feel so silly,like how I didn't even know what the
word the grays was, I hadno idea, and you know, you
didn't. You didn't have any interestin this kind of thing. You know,

(01:13:46):
maybe it's just like anybody else.I loved watching Star Trek and Star
Wars and things like that, Butno matter how much I liked those things,
there was always something pulling me backbecause of what my parents had taught
me that it was just fiction,you know, So I never really took
it to that next level of whatI could see within it. You know,

(01:14:09):
that makes sense, Yeah, thatdoes makes sense. Yeah, I
said a lot you know a lotof people and their you know, their
past it was exactly the same.You know, they were very late.
And sometimes my guests, you know, have had zero interests in the subjects,
and a lot of them just wantto come on and just just share
it and be done with it.They have no interest in investigating it further.
Yeah. I see that. Isee some people that they have their

(01:14:30):
story and they have stories that aremore, way more intense than mine,
and they just wanted to go away. Yeah. So I had a guest
on a while ago and he saidto me, he goes, listen,
I've got a good job, I'vegot a good family, life. I
don't want to jepardize any of that. I just want to share this and
be completely done with it and justcarry on with my life. I'm happy

(01:14:51):
in that life, you know.I don't want anything to change, but
I have to get this off mychest. Yeah, and that's okay.
You know, that's okay. You'reon this journey and it's not like,
you know, you have to focuson any of this. It's always going
to be out there. It's notlike it's going to go away because you
didn't focus on it. It's goodto have your family life and your friends

(01:15:12):
and your job, and you camehere to have this learning experience, so
hey, great, you know,focus and do that. I think for
him it was it was a twofoldthing. I think it was he wanted
to get off his chest and telland tell someone, and you also wanted
to tell someone that you know.He knew it was then going to be
played to people and shared with peopleand then in turn they can take what

(01:15:35):
they need from it. Yeah.Yeah, I understand that because that was
part of my purposes that I was. I'm hopeful a lot of times when
I hear your show and other people, they seem to have a little bit
of this underlying stress in them becausethey'll say this, and this happened,
and I just don't understand. Andso I'm hopeful that by telling my perspective

(01:15:57):
on it, that it'll help peopleto close that gap or to motivate them
to do a little bit more otherresearch and fill in those gaps for them
and make a more complete picture.And hopefully in the end it'll be a
positive picture, you know, yeah, because that's what we want really,
you know. You know a lotof people they go for these experiences and
the first thing they think of,you know, I'm losing my mind.

(01:16:19):
I'm going crazy that yes, thisstuff can be real. Yes, And
I see people that or hear peoplethat, you know, they say,
you know, I was sleeping,I felt paralysis. I was taken up
on a craft and they were somean to me, and they were so
they were degrading to me and treatedme poorly, and and and that sucks

(01:16:42):
to have that for someone have tofeel that way. But if they understand
the bigger picture and what's going on, you know, maybe they were they're
in a hurry. They got toget you back, you know, they
don't want you to know what's goingon. You know, the freaking Air
Force has got a plane coming thisway and they got to get this done.
You know, there is no negativeintentions. You know, there's always

(01:17:03):
going to be something else that's goingon that creates that, and hopefully people
can understand it a little better andbe a little more accepting of why it
went down the way it did.You know, that's great. Okay,
my friend, Well, I appreciateeverything, Christian. I really appreciate you
coming on sharing that for our listeners. Yeah, thanks very much, and
stay in contact with me absolutely,Keep in contact all right, and I

(01:17:26):
will talk to you soon. Bybye. Okay, take care. That's
all for this week. Keep updatedand connected with the show on Twitter,
Facebook, and Instagram. And ifyou have an encounter that you'd like to
share on the podcast, you canemail me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot
com, or you can reach outto me via the contact page on my
website UFO Chronicles podcast dot com.A big thank you to Christian for sharing

(01:17:50):
tonight, and thank you all forlistening. I will be back next week.
Till then, stay safe and keepwatching the skies. Goodbye,

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