Ep.349 Angst in the Shadows

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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a UFO hanging in?

Speaker 2 (00:05):
We don't want.

Speaker 1 (00:06):
To report every thirty one. Do you wish to report
a UFO over Hey, we want to one of those
areas thirty one. Do you wish to find a report
of any kind of it? I wouldn't know what kind
of reports clouds time areas thirty one.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Me neither there or see if it was anybody above
us to pass us, Like thirty seconds ago, we.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Were sending one of golf negative. Okay, OFFI the UFO.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, it's murder two nine o'clock. Yes, I'll passed over.
I got. I don't know what it was, but it's
from at least to three thousand feet above us. See,
I passed right over the top of.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Us ninety one one. You just called both to be
be fours.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
They're after staying the airplanes.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
He is.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
God on an unidentified object.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Every liberty or call or calm on an unidentified flying object.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share
their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had
an encounter, I would like to be on the show.
You can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com.

(01:47):
Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. How are you
all doing. I'm Nick Hunter and this is the UFO
Chronicles podcast. Tonight we sit down with all fran experiencer
Eric namasty Or, coming to us from the State of Illinois,
whose new book, Angst in the Shadows, a True Story
of Alien Abductions, lays Bear a lifetime of encounters with

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forces that defy explanation, from his earliest memories of shadowy
figures and blinding lights to the haunting realization that these
events followed him well into adulthood. These moments that shaped
his journey, the fear, the questions, and the transformation that
comes from living under the weight of abductions. Eric is

(02:31):
up next, but first, if you enjoy the show and
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much appreciated. Now on with the show. Hello Eric, Welcome

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to the podcast.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Thank you, Nick. I feel very welcome, man, I'm excited
to be here.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
You are more than welcome. It's great to have you
on today. And you're calling from Illinois in the US.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yes, that's correct. I grew up in the Chicago area
and that is where I currently reside. Good stuff.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
Okay, now, Eric, you have some experiences to share with us.
Would you like to start at the beginning, please, sir.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yes, I'm happy to. I won't get into the details.
But my mother had experiences before me, starting in the
nineteen fifties and then again in the seventies. But my
experiences started in nineteen seventy when I was an infant,
and between nineteen seventy and nineteen seventy four, I had

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these white orbs of plasma about the size of a
softball or larger, maybe a little smaller than a basketball,
would enter my room, sometimes through the closet door, sometimes
the window or the ceiling, and would cross the room
and come to my crib and I'd be awake, but

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as soon as it reached my forehead it would render
me unconscious and then I would have no memory from
that point on. And this happened many times between nineteen
seventy and nineteen seventy four. In fact, it happened so
many times where it would come through my closet door,
of all places. I began to have nightmares about closets

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that a bright light was going to jump out and
get me, because it had done so so many times
when I was awake, so it kind of entered my awareness,
my subconscious awareness. I was just afraid of it all
the time. But that was for the first four years
of my life. It was pretty interesting stuff. My mother

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in nineteen seventy four began having recurring dreams, the same
dreams where she and my father and myself were walking
home from a friend's house in the neighborhood. And I
was just five years old at that time, and in
these dreams, she would envision hundreds of white orbs descending

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from the sky to pursue us, to chase us, and
we would in her dream we would be running through
the backyards trying to evade these white orbs, and inevitably
they always catch up with us, and you shine a
bright beam of light down at us, and my mom said,

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when the bright light would go away, I had disappeared
at that point, so I was taken in her dreams,
and so she was dreaming about white orbs taking me
about the same time that I was seeing white orbs
in my waking state as a baby and later as

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a toddler, just very vivid memories. I remember the details
of my bedroom and everything. But this was the early
part of my life, and I grew up thinking it
was this anomalous thing. Later on, when i'd tell my
mother about them, she said, oh, maybe they were angels.
And she had at that time forgotten about the dreams

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she was having. She didn't remember those dreams until I
told her about my experiences with the orbs. But she
was like, oh, maybe they were angels. Maybe you're special,
the angels are visiting you, or something like that. So
I just chalked it up to that and forgot about
it for a long time. And then, if you'll forgive
the time jump, nothing really happened until the nineteen nineties,

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when in nineteen ninety four, I was This was August twentieth,
the third Saturday of August of nineteen ninety four. I
was laying in bed. It was about six thirty in
the morning, and the light was just starting to come
in and I was just about to enter a waking state.
Now this is going to sound like an episode of

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sleep paralysis, but I assure you it is not. I
became aware that I was asleep, and I decided I
wanted to wake up because I had plans that day
and I wanted to get it at those plans. But
try as I could, I couldn't open my eyes, I
couldn't move my body, and all I saw was black,

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and I was struggling against that. And as I was
struggling to wake up, an image entered my lucid dream state,
and it was that of a green maple leaf with
the sun shining through it from above, and I was
rotating underneath it, and there was some sickly sweet music

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box music playing, and I could you know, it was
kind of dazzling the leaf. I could see the structure
of the leaf, the veins and the cellular outlines. But
I realized that it was not coming from my imagination.
It felt implanted. It felt artificial and forced, like it

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was meant to distract me, like you would dangle keys
in front of a baby or something to keep them distracted. Right,
So what happened was I felt as though I was
being distracted, And then as I struggled against this, what

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seemed like sleep paralysis. I began to regain my senses
slowly at first, where I could hear the floor fan
in my room. And then I heard some rustling against
the side of my bed, on both sides of my bed,
and like as if somebody was in the room, And
so I panicked some more. And as I was undulating

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and thrashing against this induced sleep, I woke up and
I opened my eyes. I shot straight up in bed
to a seated position, and as fast as I could
turn my head to the left, I saw four small
creatures about three and a half feet tall, bulbous white
ashen white heads with big black eyes, and they were

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wearing these dark coveralls from their neck to their feet,
and they wooshed out of my room and synchronization as
though they were propelled, as though they were yanked out
of there by a taut bungee cord or something. Nothing
can move that fast unless it was propelled. They weren't
running or walking, they were propelled, but I saw them.

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They were just slow enough I could see some detail,
and that that was my first time seeing grays. I
was stunned. I waited about a minute or two, and
then I got out of bed and I toured my apartment.
This was in Wheeling, Illinois. I had an apartment with

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a friend of mine, Joseph, and they were gone. But
it was freaky. I told my father about it. I
called him that day and he said, whoa, you know,
it's pretty pretty scary. But you know, what do you
say to that? What do you think about something like that?
You know, it's just one of those things, like, you know,

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you're even willing to think that maybe you imagined it
because it's just so esoteric against any other life experience
you might have had. Right, I didn't consider myself an
abductee after that happened, and nothing happened for another twenty
six years. In twenty twenty, you know, he fast forward

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twenty six years and I'm in a different life sit.
I'm a single father. I have a daughter with autism.
And at the time she was living with me, you know,
she was twenty three years old and I was fifty
three years old. And it was about in February and March.

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I started to notice things would change in my bedroom.
Between when I would go to bed at night and
when I would wake up in the morning, little things
in my room would change, and they started to get
my suspicion. Well, one night I went to bed, everything

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was normal with ear plugs in my ears. And now
sometimes in the middle of the night, the ear plugs
would become uncomfortable and I would take them out and
I would toss them on to the night stand next
to the bed, and usually they'd like roll off the
night stand or you know, just be randomly placed somewhere

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on there. But I woke up in the morning and
my ear plugs were neatly and very daintily stacked next
to each other on the nightstand, something I would never
do because I in order to stack them that way,
I would have had to have woken up and turn
on the light and see exactly where the nightstand was

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and and done that by hand. And I'm not going
to do that in the middle of the night. So
I know I'm not the one that put those there
in that in that fashion that bothered me, you know, like,
who is in my room? I know it's not my
daughter because she she doesn't leave her bedroom at night,
and you know who who could possibly do that? And

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also on another night, I woke up the next morning
where my bedclothing, uh the comforter and the top sheet
had been completely removed and put back on the bed
had ninety degrees rotated in the wrong direction. So I
have stripes on my bed that go horizontally across my legs,

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but this time they were vertical, you know, parallel with
my body. I'm like, this is weird. No matter how
much of a rough night I might have where I'm
tossing and turning, I would never and have never done
something like that. Also, like a backscratcher and a sleep
mask that I sometimes put on top of my comforter

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on a rough night, they would just get knocked off
and fall on the ground, but this time they were
placed underneath the top sheet next to me on the bed,
which I would never do because the backscratcher is a
little sharp and I don't want to roll on top
of it under the top sheet, right, so I always
keep it on top of the of the comforter. So

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these things were happening, and I was beginning to get suspicious,
and then just something enter the back of my like,
what if it was those things that I saw back
in nineteen ninety four that were in my room. What
if it was them? And so I decided to try
an experiment. Nick I made a sign. I went online

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and I found a picture of a small gray that
looked like the ones that I saw in nineteen ninety four.
The one that I chose was an illustration of the
famous Skinny Bob. You might be familiar with that name,
because that's what the little ones look like, exactly that.
And I put the picture of Skinny Bob on the sign,

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and it said I want to remember you. Let me
remember your visit. I will not harm. I kept it simple,
and I hope that they could read English. So I
put that sign on my wall above my headboard, you know,
by my bed, and it for two weeks that sign

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sat there, and I was hoping nobody would come into
my bedroom and see the sign and think I'm some
weird person for having a weird sign on my wall.
But eventually I forgot that the sign was there, and
after two weeks then I had my first encounter, and
that was the first of many for the next four years.

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I woke up in my garage mostly naked. I was
wearing my breefs. I was hovering, levitating off the floor.
My feet were six or eight inches off the floor,
and my body was tilted forward at a thirty degree angle. Now,
if you go onto the book's website, you can see
an illustration to that effect. And I was looking down

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at this small gray and he was standing in front
of me, I don't know, about eight feet away from me,
in front of me, and he was adjacent to the
side window of my garage. And there was a bright
white light streaming in that side window, illuminating the small
gray on one side. And I couldn't move. It was

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as though my nervous system had been dialed down to nothing,
like I was numb, but I was perfectly awake, perfectly aware.
I could hear, I could see, but I couldn't move.
I could only move my eyes and move my head
just a little bit. But I'm looking down at this thing.
And then I hear words in my mind from this

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little creature, and it said, we cannot allow you to
remember our visit, or else my superiors would know about it.
And before I could formulate a thought or a question,
I went unconscious again, just into a black sleep, and
then I woke up, I don't know, probably about three

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twenty am in my bed. I was back in my room,
in my bed, and that was freaky That was the
first of regular visits every four to six weeks for
four years. And I won't take you through all of them.
I'll give you some of the more freaky ones. Well.

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So that was the first one. That was in early
to mid April of twenty twenty. The very next week
was the next visit, and I have a feeling I
know why. Normally, they you know, from that point on,
they would come every four to six weeks, you know,
on a pretty much monthly basis. But there was just

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the very next week, I woke up in my bed
and there was a tall gray on top of me,
and there were three small grays to the right of me.
I saw them in my peripheral vision. And it was
very dark in the room, except there was a light
between the tall gray and in my chest. Between his

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chest and my chest there was light. I couldn't see
where the source was coming from. It was i'd say,
a soft green light, but it was just enough light
to eliminate his face and mine and his chest in
my chest. And he was trying to get me to
look him in the eyes, and I was intimidated. I

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did not want to look him in the eyes, so
I stared at his shoulder, his right shoulder, which was
on my left side, because he was on top of me,
and I was just examining, Okay, the color, the texture.
It was elephant gray. The texture was like fine leather,
but not shiny. And I was just fascinated by his shoulder,
just staring at it, and so it must have known

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that I wanted to touch him. So suddenly I was
able to move my left hand. I couldn't move the
rest of my body. I couldn't even really move my
head more than an inch or two. But I could
suddenly move on my left hand, and my fear response
was non existent. Whatever they do to your nervous system

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in these encounters, they eliminate your fear response. It's really
strange because normally I would jump up and grab this
thing and throw it against a wall, like you're brushing
a tarantula off your lap. You'd be startled. Right you
wake up and the thing's on top of you, you'd
be absolutely startled. But I had no fear. It was surreal,

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but I was very awake, and so I was able
to move my hand suddenly, and I moved my hand
between the tight spaces between our chest and I placed
my hand on his shoulder, so my fingertips were like
on his I guess you'd call shoulder blade, and my

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thumb was on his collar bone. He had a collarbone,
you know, a clavicle. And I was kind of amazed,
like wow, this, you know, it built like a human.
But I was feeling his the skin on his on
his shoulder, and it was very smooth. It was very tight, sinewy, bony, muscular.

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This thing had zero subcutaneous fat under the skin. It
just very lean. And after I touched his shoulder for
a few moments, I was able to relax, and then
I finally looked him in the eyes, and then he
leaned inward more and he touched his forehead against my forehead,

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and I was instantly asleep and in a dream state.
And that's where he took me into this virtual Bavarian
village that I that I mentioned earlier. And we were
standing on a cobblestone street and about we were on
a slight slope, and about two hundred feet below us

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was a German Bavarian style building with half timbered architecture,
you know the brown timbers at Crisscross, And then you
got the white stucco between the timbers. You know those
kind of buildings. I guess in England they used to
have them too, way back when. But so I was
looking at this tall gray, but he was only this

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This one was only five and a half feet tall,
and he was standing right in front of me, and
the three grays that were in the room with us
suddenly appeared as though they were small girls. They were
identical blond hair, blue eyed little girls wearing blue dresses.
It was strange, and so I was able to talk

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to him, and I asked him, what is your name?
And he said Sizzlic. And I wasn't sure if he
said Sizzlik or Silazick. So I bent down and I
told the little girl so well, he says his name
is Sizzelic or Silazick. When I woke up, I remembered
it more clearly. It was definitely he definitely said Sizzelik.

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And then I asked him where are you from? Are
you from Zeta Reticuli? Because ever since that nineteen ninety
four incident, I, you know, right around then, I started
to like look into alien stuff a little bit, and
I read about the Betty and Barney Hill case Betty

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hill Is. For those that are familiar with her story,
will remember that she was shown a star map that
related their home world to our own solar system, and
an amateur astronomer and school teacher named Marjorie Fish was
able to identify the constellation that their homeworld was from,

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and it was Zeta to Reticula. It was the name
of the star. So I just remember that detail from
twenty six years ago. So I asked him, are you
from Zeta Reticuli? He said, he said yes, And then
I asked him, do you call your world sirpo, because
I read that in some briefing paper from there was

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allegedly shown to President Ronald Reagan in nineteen eighty one,
and he said, and Sizzle said to me, no, we
don't call it that. And so I was waiting for
him to elaborate, like what they actually call her the world?
And he didn't say it. He didn't volunteer any information.
I asked him one or two other stupid questions. I

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couldn't think of any good questions. But every time I
would ask him a question, I would been down and
tell it to the little girls. And when we had finished,
the little girl in the middle, which remember is a
small gray looked up at me and she said, you
know you're nice. We were told you would be mean.

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And then before I could ask a question, well, what
do you mean Why would somebody say I was mean?
Before I could do that, my consciousness went black and
the dream state ended, and I don't know how long
it was before I woke up, but they were gone.
Maybe it was only moments, but suddenly I heard my

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daughter in the next room, giggling and squealing with delight,
like somebody was entertaining her. You know, she's low functioning autism, nonverbal,
so she couldn't tell me. She never wakes up unless
her pull ups or you'd call them nappies, were wet.
So I went in there to check on her, you know,
and to make sure they weren't bothering her. So I

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ran in there and they were gone. They weren't there,
and I checked her and her pull up was dry,
so there was no reason for her to have woken
up unless there was like really loud noises or something.
So it led me to believe perhaps they were bothering
her or entertaining her or something like that while they

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had been working with me. I don't know the truth
on that. So I did a walking tour of the
house to make sure they were really gone, not in
the house, they were gone. And that that was my
second And then there were just every four to six weeks,
something strange would happen. I'd wake up, I would have

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I remember there were four grays. They always the small ones.
The tall ones don't come into the home except that
one time. The tall Grays you go to them, they
don't come to you. The ones that do the home invasions,
those are the little guys. And so I remember one
time I woke up and there were It was very dark,

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but I could just barely see like outlines of their
heads on both sides of the bed, and then two
of them traded positions by levitating and then criss crossing
each other over the bed, and I could just make
out their facial features because while they were levitation, there
was this very faint green aurora like or aura or

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whatever you want to call it, outlining their the boundaries
of their of their forms and uh, and I could
just barely see their faces and almost got the sense
that they were grinning at me as they were crisscrossing
over top of me. So that was one, but generally
most of them were about semen collection. I do have

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one memory where I actually witnessed them to the seeming collection.
I woke up and there were three grays to my
right of the bed and one at the foot of
the bed. And he crawled up. He or she, I
don't know, crawled up onto the foot of the bed,

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and they had removed my shorts, you know, my my briefs,
and this gray's face souddenly morphed into the visage of
a woman I know that I did not consider attractive
at all, and so it was some kind of a

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screen memory they were imposing, like you know, post hypnotic
suggestion or something. But so this this gray with this
woman's face asked me if I wanted a blowjob, and
I was confused and I didn't really know what was
going on, and I sat in my confusion, I said, sure, okay,

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And it seemed to pretend as though it was about
to perform fillatio like that, And as soon as it
got its head down near my area down there, it
grabbed this black cone. It was. It was like a
three sided pyramidal cone that was open at one end.

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It was shaped like an athletic cup like you'd have
in your jockstrap, a male athletic cup on one end,
and then it just a three sided black cone. It
almost looked like a dull black plastic cone. And this
being just put this thing, this device on my genitals,

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and that's how they get the semen. I don't remember climaxing.
I never remember the feeling of climaxing with these things.
But there there were several incidents where I was aware
that they were taking seaming collection. So yeah, that was
that was typically what they were what they were doing
with me. In twenty twenty two, in the summer of

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twenty two, I woke up and I was not in
my room. I was laying on a metal table. I
woke up because my left arm was in excruciating pain.
I noticed. I noticed I wasn't in my room because
the walls were gray. The room was very dimly lit
except for the immediate area around the table I was

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lying on. But again I couldn't see where the light
was coming from. It was just the light was just there.
There was no point source of light. It was very bizarre,
and I was lying on a pewter gray metal table,
but my arm was hurting so bad. I was able
to move my head, but I couldn't move the rest
of my body at all. But I looked down at

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my left arm and it was missing from above the elbow.
I was in shock, I like visually, I was trying
to process what I was seeing. I couldn't believe it.
My left arm was missing from just above the elbow,
and there was no blood, no blood coming out of
my stump. And then I looked further to the left,

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just at the edge of the lighted area around my table,
and there was a metal cart about the same height
as the table I was lying on, and my arm,
my severed arm, was laying on this pewter metal cart,
and I could see the humorous bone coming just the

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tip of it, just coming out, like cleanly cut. The
arm was cleanly cut, and there was no blood not
coming out of it. There was no blood on the
cart around it. It was absolutely bloodless. But I could
see the bone coming out of the muscle, and I
was fascinated and horrified at the same time. But again,

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whatever they do to your nervous system, my fear response
was extremely muted. I just was like my brain was
on high alert, just recording what I saw, like is
this really happening? I mean, and the pain was horrible,
And just at that moment when my brain really started

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to wake up like and become like more in tune
with the physical environment, I noticed that there was a
movement to my right. I didn't see any grays on
this encounter, but there was movement to my right, approaching
my table, and that's when I lost consciousness. I woke
up the next morning about some time after five am,

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and my arm was killing me. And I looked down
and it's intact, It's there. And immediately I start looking
at the place where it had been cut, and I'm
looking for futures, I'm looking for scars, anything, And there
was absolutely no sign of surgical incision. But my elbow

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was swollen and it was a lot of pain. I
was able to move it slightly, but not very much.
So I got up and I took a hot shower,
hopefully that would loosen up my elbow a little bit,
but instead, the inflammation got worse and my elbow froze solid,
stiff in a ninety degree bend, and it was pretty

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much that way for an entire month. I don't question
that this really happened, because the next two weeks, which
is again uncharacteristic of their normal schedule, and they visit
me every four to six weeks, they visited me the
next two weeks. So the very next week, after I'd

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gone to bed, I woke up and I wasn't in
my room. I was in a very well lit room,
which again uncharacteristic of these encounters, but a very well
lit room, and I was lying on a cushioned bed
of some kind. It was a white cushion. It was
like soft white canvas, was the consistency of the fabric.

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I could just feel it on my skin and my
arm hurt. But I noticed my left arm was stretched
out to the left somehow my elbow was straightened out,
and a very tall gray was standing next to the
bed and he was inspecting my arm. He was running
his hands up and down over the elbow. But then

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a small gray was laying next to me in the bed,
holding my right hand. And I looked over and I
was under some kind of a post hypnotic suggestion with
this thing. But her face kept going from small gray
to a human looking girl. But I knew it wasn't

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a girl. I mean, it had a female energy about it,
but it wasn't a human girl, and it was holding
my hand. I looked down and her feet only came
to about my knees, and her head was about the
same eye to eye with my head. And she looks
at me and she says, do you have something you
want to tell me? And I was very confused in

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that moment, and I thought maybe she was flirting with me,
and so I said, well, I'm not married or anything.
I didn't understand why I said that. It made no
sense for me to say that, but that's what I said.
And I don't think she understood why I said that either.
But the next thing I know, I'm unconscious again. And

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when I go unconscious after these brief moments of being awake,
it's always a black sleep and there's no dreaming involved
until I'm fully awake again. So that was like some
kind of a follow up visit to check the injury
in my arm. And then the very next week again
another follow up visit. I woke up in a standing position,

(34:43):
but I was very unsteady on my feet and like
I was going to fall over. So there's tall gray
and it was a dimly lit room with gray walls,
pewter gray walls. I think these beings, I think they
have monochromatic vision. I think they only see him black
and white. I'm not sure, but they There was a

(35:04):
railing along the wall, and so this tall gray was
guiding me by the shoulders to this railing so I
could steady myself. So it asked me to hold on
to this railing. So I was holding the railing, and
then the gray positions himself to the right of me
and then grabs my shoulders and turns me toward him
or it and starts inspecting my left arm and was

(35:30):
moving its hands up and down over my elbow over
the of the length of my arm. And that's all
I remember. I went unconscious again. I woke up, and
just like the last follow up visit, I had a
slightly improved range of motion and my elbow, but it

(35:51):
was still very stiff and I couldn't move it all
the way and it remained that way for about four weeks.
I checked around I medical sources and things like that.
I suspected that they had taken bone marrow out of
my humorous bone. It's a great place to get stem
cells and DNA samples, and I think they took a

(36:12):
big chunk of bone marrow out of that arm, And
so I checked with chat GPT, the AI chatbot, if
you're familiar with that, and I asked it, what would
be the physical effect if suddenly a large amount of
bone marrow from my left humors had been removed? What

(36:33):
would be the symptoms? Could that account for swelling in
the joint and lack of motion? And it told me
that that absolutely would be one of the symptoms for
the removal of bone marrow. You know, that's enough for

(36:53):
me to be fairly certain that they had taken bone marrow.
That was the freakiest encounter of all of them, the
most unsettling encounter.

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Speaker 2 (38:10):
I had another one where I woke up and again
I was in a strange room, and there were four
tall grades standing over me, and they were showing me
a device that they were going to use to implant
something in my abdomen. And they said, we're giving you
a new one. Be careful with this one, or else

(38:31):
we won't be able to find you. And I assume
that meant that they were going to put an implant
in me that allowed them to monitor me. I guess
my location or my biostats, I don't know, so I
guess I'll tell you. I'll tell you about two more things,

(38:52):
all right. So I had a girlfriend in twenty twenty two.
She was a physician, and I'll call her Samantha. We
were sexually active and in February of twenty twenty two,
we conceived, she became pregnant, and she carried the child.

(39:13):
She decided she was going to keep it because she
always had difficulty getting pregnant in the past, and she
only had two children, and she was still young enough
in her early forties that, you know, she decided, well,
maybe this will be her third and last child with me.
And I, you know, I was fifty three at the time.
I was a little daunted about having a child, but

(39:33):
I'm like, okay, we fine, let's do it. I'll just
have to stay young. But she carried it for nine
or ten weeks and then miscarried. And she told me
that when she studied the tissues that had passed, she
could not find the fluid filled sack or the fetus
within it. And so she visited her obstetrician and he

(39:58):
checked her uterus. There was nothing left inside her. He
verified that she had been pregnant and she had miscarried,
but that the fetus was indeed missing. So she told
me about that, and I just kind of like off
the cuff. I mentioned to her because she knew about
my encounters, and I told her, maybe it was them,
Maybe they took it because it's mine and that's why

(40:21):
they wanted it, and that freaked her out. She didn't
want to hear about it. So I'm going to fast
forward to a full year later. She and I broke
up in on around my birthday in twenty twenty three,
in January. That was the month that the child would
have been born, had she carried the child to term well.

(40:42):
In June of twenty twenty three, I woke up in
a round room of about sixty foot in diameter, and
it was circumferenced by narrow windows, you know, not tall,
but very long and narrow that curved around the perimeter
of the room. And I assumed I was because in
my entranced and confused state, I assumed I was in

(41:06):
some kind of an air traffic control tower. And there
was an unusually tall man in there. It was like
eight feet tall, which made no sense, so I know
it was a tall gray but he pointed toward a
table in the middle of the floor. On the table
was a small baby boy. I could see he was

(41:27):
a boy. I could see that his genital is the
way he was twisted, but I couldn't see his face
because the way he was turning and he was crawling around.
He seemed happy and healthy. But this tall man spoke
to me again with words in my mind telepathy, and
he said, he's yours, but he has a genetic problem,
and you're here to provide the tissues we need to

(41:47):
correct it. Before I could formulate a question on my
mind or do anything, or walk over to the baby
or anything like that, I went unconscious again and I
woke up. Who knows how long later that I woke up,
but it was I don't know, three forty five am
or something like that, but I just realized I'd seen

(42:11):
my child and they didn't let me hold them. And
I've been bitter about that ever since because I loved Samantha.
I loved her very much, and you know, even though
we broke up, I would have loved to have had
that connection with her and had a child with her.

(42:33):
And I've always wanted more children because I only had
the one child and she had autism, so I kind
of missed out on what it is to be a
father in the normal sense. Forgive the use of the
word normal. I don't mean it as an affront to
my daughter. I love her very much, but it was

(42:54):
unsettling for me, and I'm very bitter about it. There
was one other incident where the Grays. This was before
they showed me the baby. This was in September of
the previous year, September of twenty twenty two. They showed
me a gallery of images on a wall. It was
just a gray pewter wall, and there were three rows

(43:16):
of portraits, maybe three rows of nine portraits. And they
showed me these head and shoulder images of these people,
and they said they were my offspring, and they were
of varying ages. And I asked the Tall Grades. There
was two tall grades there, and I said, do they
have names? And then one of them said to me,

(43:38):
would you like to give them names? And I said sure,
But I was kind of flippant. I was rather flippant
about the whole thing. I was in an entranced state,
and I was kind of confused. So I chose, you know,
rather than like thinking was like almost painful in this,

(44:00):
So I just chose the names that just flowed most
easily off the top of my head. And that was
a cultural reference. So I was giving the children's Star
Trek names. You know, this one will be Kirk, This
one and be Spock, This wan will be McCoy, This
want to be Sulu, this wan to be Bicard. Just ridiculous.
But they seemed amused, almost as if they understood that

(44:22):
I was just using names from some cultural reference. Popular
cultural reference. Very strange. But so between the gallery of
images of the children I'll never meet and the child
that I did meet, I know that I am part
of a breeding program. You know, they've they've taken bone marrow,
They've taken semen on multiple occasions. There was one time

(44:44):
I thought they took bone marrow from my left hip.
I can't be sure, but I did wake with a
sharp pain, like a needle had been jammed into my
left femur. So there, These are some of the more
notable of my encounters, but there's several more. I could
really go on for hours, but yeah, I just wanted

(45:04):
to cover those being the most notable encounters.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
Thank you for sharing all that, Eric, that is fascinating.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
I don't want to be part of a breeding program.
It's a terrible privilege. You know, so many people are
very curious about these people. I wish I'd never met them,
because it opened my eyes to a terrible speculation. I
asked them on one encounter, what are they doing with

(45:33):
these children of mine? Where are they being kept? And
very similar to what Betty Hill experienced when they showed
her a wall that turned into a screen and they
showed her a starmap. Well, they showed me a map
of the contiguous forty eight United States, and they zoomed

(45:53):
in on Illinois, and they showed me subterranean caverns under
eastern Illinois, running parallel with the Indiana border. There were
three caverns. There were two parallel to each other. At
their north end they went as far north as the
very bottom of the Lake Michigan, and at the southern
end they went as far south as Peoria, Illinois. They

(46:17):
were about eighteen hundred feet I'd say, about a third
of a mile underground, you know, well within the dolostone layer,
which is a limestone type of rock. And then the
third one was between them, but deeper down, maybe more
like half a mile underground. They showed me these caverns.

(46:38):
They almost looked like bananas. They were carved with They
almost looked like they had three or four sides. They
weren't like perfectly smooth round like I said, they almost
looked like bananas, like a bloated triangle, and they were
fatter in the middle and tapered at the ends. But

(46:58):
then the southern ends dipped deeper down, like they sloped downward,
deeper into the ground, which I asked AI if it
could examine, you know, what was what would be the
purpose for the design of these caverns over the way
they are. And it suggested that the downward slope at
the southern end was for drainage and possibly for air circulation,

(47:21):
because heavier gases like CO two would sync to those
lower levels. So that was interesting. But so they showed
me they're keeping these hybrids in nearby, and what does
that tell me, Well, it tells me they're not taking
them back to Zeta articulate. I. They're here and they're
meant to be here. That's why they're breeding with us.

(47:42):
They I think they want to live here. I think
they want to join with us, their species and our species,
becoming one species. That's what I think they're doing. And
I talk about that in my book.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
You know, just go and buy the name of your book,
Angst in the Shadows, you know, knowing what that angst
means how would you can city of your experiences. Would
you consider them as being traumatic and inconvenience or are
you indifferent about it?

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Have I have what you know, anxst that deep anxiety
more as a result of pondering what they're doing here,
Why they're bothering me, why they bothered my mother before me?
Do they bother other family members? I don't know. I
just during encounters they dial down your nervous system. They

(48:29):
can reduce the activity in your nervous system to the
point where you could barely feel anything, and your emotional
responses are muted as much as your physical sensations are.
So they do their best to minimize trauma. They kind
of failed with my arm because I woke up. It

(48:49):
hurts so bad. But they do their best to minimize
trauma and to minimize your ability to remember it. They
try to make the experience somewhat dream like, so maybe
you'll dismiss it as a dream. But I have a
very strong visual memory. Even when they used their screen

(49:09):
memory techniques on me, I would wake up the next
morning and remember only the visual memory. I would remember
that I believed that I was looking at a fireman
or an air traffic controller, my brother Ron or somebody
like that. I'd remember believing I was looking at but
the visual memory was either a small gray or a

(49:33):
tall gray or both. So you know, they haven't been
able to fully use that technique against me, And the
more they tried, the less often I believed the screen memories,
and pretty soon that technique just didn't work with me.
And then I think it was probably some time after

(49:53):
that that they stopped letting me wake up during encounters.
My last encounter was in March of twenty twenty four
that I remember. There may have been more after March
of twenty four, but I was not cognizant of them.
I thought I had impressions of visits after that, but
March was my last remembered encounter.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
Do you think that these abductions are purely driven by
biology as opposed to spirituality?

Speaker 2 (50:20):
These are not spiritual beings. These are physical beings with
high technology. I mean, they can phase their matter through
other matter, they can walk right through a wall, but
that doesn't make them spiritual. In my book, I speculate
that these are cloned beings. They don't they don't have
sexual reproduction. Perhaps they lost that ability, maybe their environment

(50:44):
on their home planet. Maybe there was too much solar radiation,
maybe they were losing their magnetic field or something. But
whatever the case is, they've been using cloning to perpetuate
their species. And I believe that the little ones too,
the little grades that they use for the home invasions,
I think they may have human DNA built into them

(51:06):
to make them more compatible with you know, and more
comfortable with being in our environments. You know, the tall grades.
They can breathe our air, but they don't like our sun.
I have a theory about how their skin works. I
believe they excrete waste and absorb nutrition through their skin,
so their skin is very susceptible to our biosphere. You know,

(51:28):
They're very susceptible to our viruses and things like that.
So I have a feeling that I believe. This is
just my opinion in the book. You can reject it
if you want. I believe that they are looking to
replace themselves, and they're looking to replace us with a
joined species. And I've nicknamed that species Homo exogenus. That's

(51:54):
not really a scientific name, it's just a catchy one.
I think that they are going to be a meeker,
wiser race than us the meek shallon hair at the
earth right.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
Was there any individual that ever stood out to you
that you ever repeatedly sore or maybe they put your
ease at any particular.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Time, not that I'm aware of, but it's possible that
the small grays that come for semen collection, or maybe
even the one that held my hand on that bed
that one time, it's possible that those were the same
ones and they were just assigned to me, and they
would come every four to six weeks, you know, on
their duty schedule whatever. But I noticed a schedule with

(52:37):
these grays. They come roughly every twenty years for a
four year rotation, every four to six weeks. And I've
been comparing notes with some other abductees and they've been
reporting similar schedules as I've noticed. Because they came from
my mother in nineteen fifty three, they came for her

(52:59):
again in the early seventies, and that's when they started
coming from me with those white orbs, which I later
learned that the white orbs are very common in an
abduction phenomenon. So the fifties and seventies and then again
for me in the nineties, but then the next gap
was twenty six years, not twenty years, so they were
a little off schedule with me. But they came for

(53:22):
four years, just like they did in the early seventies.
So I suspect that my visits that I had in
the nineties, you know, I only saw them once, you know,
when they were wishing out of my room. But I
had suspected some strange things in my sleep, even the
very next year, in nineteen ninety five. And I talk
about that in my book too, So it's possible that

(53:45):
they did a four year rotation with me in the
nineties and I wasn't very aware of it. But in
the nineties, I did not consider myself an abductee. I
didn't consider myself an abductee until April of twenty twenty.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
Yeah, so in twenty twenty started noticing these little things
that were happening. Do you think it was a mistake
on their part to leave things at a place wh
Do you think it could have been clues left?

Speaker 2 (54:09):
I think they were being sloppy, you know, maybe they
had a lot of homes to invade. I don't know.
I think they were being sloppy. I think they just
and I'm a very particular person I wouldn't call it OCD,
but you know the way I have things in my room,
I remember where they were, I remember how I had them,

(54:32):
and you know, so I'm extremely aware of my environment.
So if anything is off, I know about it. And
I'm just very observing. I observe patterns. I'm a pattern
recognition kind of guy, and I'm very good at taking
vague patterns and boiling them down to their components and

(54:57):
finding the common denominators. And so I'm using that skill
in my in my next book that I'm writing. But
I think they were just being sloppy, to be honest.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
And when you left this little note forum of on
your headboard, and they responded by, we don't want to
get back to our higher ups. So you're looking at
something that it's definitely structured and organized with a with
a hierarchy and you know, a mission with a purpose,
so to speak.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
That's how I see it. Yes, the little ones have
a job to do. I think when Sizzili showed up
the very next week, I think he was one of
their supervisors. I think he was there to investigate how
the hell I figured it out. I think I startled
the little grays when they came in to do their
thing and they saw that sign of my bed. They

(55:48):
must have been like, oh shit, who screwed up? So
when when one of the so I think what they
did was they took me out of the house that night,
the night that they first saw the sign. They took
me out of the house. But before they put me
back in bed in my house, they brought me into
the garage, which is a detached garage not connected to

(56:09):
the house. It's in the backyard. I suspect that the
one because they always coming forwards, but this one he
took me aside. It was just me and him in
the garage, and I think he might have been breaking protocol.
He might have been like so curious. Maybe it was
his failure that I discovered them and or suspected them

(56:31):
at least, and so maybe he took it as his failure,
so he just had to confront me in some way
to see if he could learn something. I don't know,
but that's when he told me that. And but he
couldn't keep Sizzelic from finding out, apparently, because Sizzlick showed up,
you know. And I wonder if those guys, those little
guys got in trouble. I don't know. I have no idea.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
Have you tried looking into that name? You see if
it comes up anywhere else.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
I found a Polish surname, Sizzlick. But that was the
only corollary in human language that I could find. It
was a Polish surname. That was it so And I
don't know very many Polish people, but certainly not Sizzlik.
I've never heard that name before. But I would love

(57:21):
to know if other people have gotten a name from
their captors, their abductors. I would I would love to compare,
you know, if any of them had heard names before.
You know, we've all heard about that at the military base,
that that gray that they had captured and had captive

(57:42):
and his name was j Rod or something, and you know,
it's like, okay, so j Rod. So that's one name.
But I would I would love to know if if
there are other abductees out there that heard a name,
and you know, and if any of them are phonetically similar, to.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
Be interesting to see if there's any other connections out there.
If this is a program on quite a large scale,
which it definitely is, then quite possibly someone else's interactive've
got a website. I've got a lot of images on
there of your experiences, and the one that police stands
out the most is the one that has the Tudor
style buildings. Bavarian village.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
Yeah. Well I don't know if those were accurate to
Bavarian homes, but it looked very similar to the ones
I saw it in pictures of downtown Nuremberg. Yeah. That
was the dream environment that Sizely took me into, was
that Bavarian style village. So I did my best to
depict it the best I could using three D software.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
The interesting thing is, you know, I did ask you
at the beginning about you know, you have quite quite
a rare surname, a rare German surname, nan Steel.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Yes, yes, it is a rare name, very rare name. Yeah.

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Speaker 3 (59:57):
Do you think that there is, you know, in connection
and all this You had this unusual experience and with
the Barbarian village and the free hybrid children, do you
believe that connection possibly goes in that direction?

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Well, it's possible that their interest in me has to
do with with the Germanic bloodline. I don't know. I'm
not sure what they find genetically interesting about my mother's line. Now,
my mother's her surname was Jackson, so that's an English surname.

(01:00:31):
But the German side of my family, that's my father's side.
But I don't think that anybody on my father's side
of the family had been abducted, because my mother was abducted,
but I don't think my father was so. But maybe
they liked my mom's blood and maybe they liked mine.

(01:00:53):
Maybe they liked mine extra more because it had German
in it, or maybe they just thought because I German
blood that I would find a German environment calming or
comforting given the uh, the abrupt visitation, you know, waking
up with sizzelk on top of me, that was I'll

(01:01:15):
never forget that. That is like, if you look at
the cover, the front cover of the book, that's the
moment when Sizel is on top of me. That's the
front cover of the book where I'm touching his shoulder.
It almost looks sexual, and I apologize for that when
you look at the front cover, but that is literally

(01:01:36):
the scene, exactly as it happened. So I had to
depict it, and it was so creepy and so unsettling.
I figured, No, that's the perfect cover, you know, despite
it looking like something's about to go down.

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
I'm just very curious you've never been to that part of.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Your No, I've never left the Americas. I've been to Canada,
I've been to Mexico. I've been to Hawaii. That's about
as far away from the as i've been. I've seen
the entire United States, almost every single state, but I've
never been to Europe. My parents have, but I've never been.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
What about on your father's side, did you ever hear
of anything that possibly could have happened in any mention
of it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
No, absolutely no mention of it. But on my father's side,
I have some interesting lineage. We do have a line
that goes back to the House of David, you know,
biblical house of David. And we have a line that
goes straight to the prophet Mohammed through his daughter Fatima.

(01:02:36):
I don't know if that would make my blood more
desirable to the Grays. Probably not. It probably has nothing
to do with anything. But I don't know what they
find interesting. But I think it's from my mother's line,
not my father's line, So I don't know. I wish
I had those answers, Nick, I really did.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
So it's quite possible that certain people and families seem
to be targeted cross generations.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
Yes, and I'm writing a book about the Grays that
ties deeply into ancient alien theory, going back to about
the last Ice age, and I do talk about blood
types and I kind of had a theory about it,
and I don't want to get too deeply into it
because I'm still developing it in the book. But there

(01:03:24):
seemed to be these pyramid building societies all over the
world and pretty much every pyramid building society had some
kind of a blood sacrifice ritual, but they were different
across hemispheres. In the Americas, you know, in meso America
and South America, they were mostly human sacrifices and they

(01:03:47):
were mostly oh negative, all of them. But then in
the Middle East you get a lot more A and
B and AB, but those sacrifices were more animal related.
And we see in ancient alien theory, we see depictions
of half human, half animal beings that seem to be

(01:04:10):
these emissaries or enforcers of whatever the gods want. And
so I kind of I'm developing this theory where in
South America the Tall Grays were using human blood components
for feeding where they you know, they absorb nutrition through

(01:04:30):
their skin and they excrete waste through their skin. And
so I believe they were using South American tribes and
meso American tribes for their human blood because it was
all negative, which is free of antigens, so you know,
fewer problems as a donor source. And then in the

(01:04:54):
Middle East, I believe they were using them as part
of their breeding program. And you know, the Hebrew Nation,
and I believe the exodus out of Egypt was related
to their breeding program. I think Egypt at the time
was a melting pot cultural hub for the known world.

(01:05:19):
People traded with the Egyptians and so there was a
lot of people coming in and out, a lot of
breeding going on, and I think the Grays probably wanted
to use the Hebrew people primarily for their breeding program,
so they took them out of Egypt and to give

(01:05:40):
them a place of their own so they wouldn't interbreed
in this busy cultural hub that was Egypt at the time.
So it's just a theory, but it's central to my next.

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
Book, Fascinating, And that's your second book. Yes, of course
when it is complete, give us the link. We put
that diame below. But your first book, Angst in the Shadows,
a true story of alien abductions.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
Yes, and that's available now. Most of your major book
retailers have it on their websites and it's also on Amazon. Yeah,
and I'm negotiating with another publisher that would be able
to translate it into Spanish and it would be available
in Spanish speaking countries. So I'm hoping to get that

(01:06:29):
put through. That would be wonderful. I would love to
make my story available to Spanish speaking countries. But my
second book is going to be called a Blood Covenant,
the Alien Agenda behind Civilization and Human Domestication. I'm five
chapters deep. I've got five chapters finished, and I've got

(01:06:50):
ten more chapters to go, so I don't expect I'll
be done before January, but you never know. Some sometimes
I have a really good week and I just fly
on the keyboard and I just write and write and write,
And I use Google a lot. I buy books I
find on Amazon looking for source material, and in a pinch,

(01:07:14):
I'll use AI and I'll ask it to find me
source material on various topics. And it's a wonderful age
that we live in, that we have the vast sum
of human knowledge available at our fingertips, and there's no
reason why we shouldn't all be tapping into it. And
I think it's wonderful. And normally I could never write

(01:07:36):
a book like I'm writing now with less than two
years of research. But now I'm able to do it
much faster, you know, with search queries and things like that.
It just goes so much faster.

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
Good stuff good sovia It is a wonderful age we're
living in. Did you ever share your story before writing
the book? If you did, help, yes, how did it
get received?

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Well? I shared it first with families, my family members,
and my friends. Most of my family was very receptive,
probably because my mother started to have her memories came
back returned to her and then she, you know, something
I would say about one of my encounters would jog
her memory and she would tell me something similar. But

(01:08:21):
you know, she also had a missing pregnancy before I
was conceived, where the fluid filed sac and the fetus
were gone and not part of the tissues that were passed,
So that was interesting. I wish she'd told me that
before I'd written the book, but she didn't remember. She's
in her early eighties and I just got to be

(01:08:42):
patient with her memory, but she didn't remember. But then
she finally did remember. So maybe if I do a
second edition of the book, I can update it and
put that anecdote in there. Not that it offers a
lot of support, but it's a curious thing that is
in line with the missing pregnancy that I and Samantha experienced.

(01:09:05):
But my friends, some of them were very receptive, and
some of them were not and one of my friends
was rather freaked out by it and didn't want to
talk about it. He doesn't want to accept that it
could be real. But I'm not gonna not talk about it.
But I first came out with a story to Moufon.

(01:09:26):
I reported my case in November of twenty twenty four
and it was investigated by field investigator Timothy Ains out
of Illinois, and so he created a big case file
on me and it made such a splash over at Moufon.
They presented my case as their best case of twenty

(01:09:50):
twenty four at their symposium this year in July. I
was privileged to go see that. I went to the
symposium and saw my case being presented. That was rather fun.
And also the producers of Ancient Aliens they approached Muffon
on occasion, as I learned, and Mufon gave them my name.

(01:10:13):
So Ancient Aliens called me. They put me on their
show and that'll be on That episode airs on September nineteenth,
and the episode will be called The Abduction Files, episode
twelve of the current season, so that'll be fun. I've
enjoyed Ancient Aliens. I got into it after my encounters
started happening. I started watching that show and I binge

(01:10:35):
watched it, so I've seen every episode.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
There are so many now it's difficult to keep up. Now, Eric,
you've been very public about your experiences. You know, you
haven't in your book, you haven't gone by any purseudonym.
But what was the hardest part of turning, you know,
such private and traumaic experiences into a book.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
Well, I go into some very private details. I talk
about my divorce under very difficult circums dances, and some
people may not agree with my decision and some of
those things. And I've heard some pretty hurtful comments where
people were critical of things I've said on my book,
and I just try to let that slide off of

(01:11:14):
my back. I'm doing the best I can as a
normal human being and just trying to navigate life the
way I can. But I'm not afraid to tell the truth.
I'll always tell the truth. This was too extraordinary to
keep to myself. I mean, how do you stay silent
about something like that. I mean, We've got all these
programs out there that talk about it, so it's not

(01:11:34):
like it's completely unfamiliar to people. So it's not like
I'm coming out, and I'm saying things that are one
hundred percent unfamiliar and alien in the public zeitgeist. You know,
people have heard of these things before. And the most
notable case, I would say would be Whitley Straeber's abduction
case from the nineteen eighties and into the nineties. And

(01:11:59):
I read his book book in nineteen eighty eight. I
saw his book on an end cap. This was before
I knew I was an abductee. At that time, I'd
only seen the white orbs in childhood. But something about
the gray on the front cover of Communion was emotionally
familiar to me, and I had to read that book.
I just had to read it, so I did. And

(01:12:21):
now all these years later, Whitley Strieber wrote the forward
to my book, and I just think that's a wonderful
loop to close. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
Absolutely, And of course it's a name we will recognize.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
I was just thrilled that he was willing to do
it now. He wanted to meet me because he was
interviewed for the exact same episode of Ancient Aliens that
I was interviewed for the very next day after I
was interviewed, and by the same producer and his name
was gabro Tello, and Gabe told Whitley Streeber all about

(01:12:53):
my case as I told him, and Whitley got excited
and he said, well, I want to meet Eric. Can
you can you hook us up? And so he connected
us and Whitley had me on his Dreamland podcast and
he was the first podcast I was on. That's when
he offered. He knew I was writing a book, but

(01:13:13):
that's when he offered to write the forward before I
even asked him. He said, I'm willing to write the
forward if you want. I'm like, yeah, I was afraid
to ask you. I really I was really hoping I
could ask you to do that, and but he just
came forward and offered, and I was wonderful. And it
took him a little while to get around to doing it,
but it was fine because by the time I was done,

(01:13:34):
I already had his forward. You know. I gave him
one of the first drafts of the book and so
he I guess he read through it and then and
then wrote us forward. So but the next one, I'm
going to try to get Linda Howe to Linda Malton
how to write the forward to that one, because she
and I have been talking.

Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
Quite a bit good stuff, okay, on you hope the
readers who have never had these experiences, you know, will
take away from your book angston Is Shadows.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
If they're interested in the subject, I would just say,
pay attention to your surroundings. Most of you will probably
never be burdened with these kinds of experiences, but some
of you, if you're observant, might realize that your world
has a strange intruder and you should just be aware

(01:14:26):
of your environment, of your surroundings, because this is happening.
It's happening to a lot of people all over the world,
and I don't think it's a good thing. I don't
know what people should take away from that, but I
want the Grays to go away. I don't want them here.
I don't like the thought that humanity is not control
of its own fate. I don't like the thought that

(01:14:48):
we're going to go the way of the Neanderthals. Just
like we replace them, someone's going to replace us. And
I think that is in the process right now. I
mean our birth rate around world, our birth rates are dropping,
and that's concerning, but it's not yet alarming, but it's concerning.

(01:15:09):
Why are the birth rates dropping? And they have subtraining caverns.
They have them in Illinois. Where else do they have them?
I don't know, but I mean people see UFOs zipping
in and out of mountains, zipping in and out of
the water. They have the ability to go subterranean and
submarine pretty easily, so they can have bases anywhere they want,

(01:15:31):
and there's nothing we can do about it, absolutely nothing.
And that scares a hell out of me, sir, it
really does.

Speaker 3 (01:15:39):
I can agree with that. Thank you, Eric.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
You're welcome, Nick, and I deeply appreciate you hosting me.

Speaker 3 (01:15:45):
Thanks Eric, I really appreciate you coming on and sharing
that for our listeners.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
And I appreciate being invited. Thank you very much. I
enjoyed my time speaking with you.

Speaker 3 (01:15:54):
Absolutely, He's wonderful to meet you. Okay, Eric, take care
and we will speak soon, sir. Likewise, bye bye for now.
Well that is all for this episode. Keep updated and
connected with the show on x Facebook and Instagram, and
if you have an encounter that you'd like to share
on the podcast, you can email me at UFO Chronicles

(01:16:15):
at gmail dot com, or you can reach out to
me via the contact page on my website UFO Chronicles
podcast dot com. A big thank you to Eric for
sharing tonight, and thank you all for listening. I will
be back next week. Till then, stay safe and keep
watching the skies. Goodbye,

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