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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You'll be away five seventeen. Do you want to report
a UFO hanging in? We don't want.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
To report every thirty one. Do you wish to report a.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
UFO over hey, we want to one of.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Those areas thirty one. Do you wish to find a
report of any kind of it?
Speaker 1 (00:18):
I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds time areas
thirty one?
Speaker 4 (00:23):
Me neither there.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
See if it was.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Anybody above us to pass us, Like thirty.
Speaker 5 (00:30):
Seconds ago, we were sending one top of golf negative, okay,
OFFI the UFO. Yeah, it's murder ten nine o'clock. Yes,
I'll just passed over, I go.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I don't know what it was, but it's from at
least to three thousand feet above us. See, I passed
out over the top of US.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
Ninety one one.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
You just called up to me before.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
They're after staying the airplanes.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
He is.
Speaker 6 (01:02):
To God on an unidentified object, every liberty or call
or calm on an unidentified flying object.
Speaker 7 (01:13):
A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share
their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had
an encounter, I would like to be on the show.
You can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com.
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Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. How are you doing?
Speaker 5 (01:52):
I'm Nick Hunter and this is the UFO Chronicles podcast.
Tonight's episode DJ from Rural Ireland recounting his twenty twenty
three encounter in County Longford, where he and his wife
witnessed a massive black triangle craft with fiery orange lights
alongside this site. In DJ SHARE's chilling experiences from his youth,
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including a seance gone wrong, a violent paranormal event after
reciting our father in a mirror, and a night in
Ireland's most haunted room. Then we traveled to Canada with Michael,
who was only seven years old when he saw a
silent black triangle cross the sky above his hometown in
July of nineteen ninety.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Two.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
Decades later, he discovered another sighting from the very same
month in a city just hours away, reinforcing what he
saw was real. Michael reflects on that single moment shaped
a lifetime of curiosity about the skies. DJ is up next,
but first, if you enjoyed a show and you would
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Now on with the show. Hello DJ, Welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Hi Nick, great to be here.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
It is great to have you with us. And you're
calling from Ireland.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
That's correct, I'm calling from rural Ireland. Very quiet place,
very green, very.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
Quiet, wonderful green and great country air. Now you have
some experiences to share with us. Would you like start
at the beginning, please, sir?
Speaker 1 (03:44):
I will, indeed, I suppose The first thing I'd have
to say is I'm a lawyer and my wife, who's
involved in this story, is also a lawyer. So we're
very kind of grounded people. You know. We don't wear
a lot of beads, and we're not chanting at the
moon or anything like that. We're very ordinary conservative people
and we're very kind of traditional beliefs, and so I
(04:05):
just wanted to preface what I'm going to say with
that we're not looking for attention or anything like that.
That's why I'm not using my real name for example.
But what basically what happened was was on the seventeenth
of February twenty twenty three, my wife and I went
for a walk, as we do most evenings, in a
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village called bally Mahan in County Longford, and we were
walking along and suddenly three very bright lights appeared through
the clouds. And as they came they were a very
distinct color, which becomes important later. They were a fiery orange,
and they were as big as the brightest star in
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the sky, say the morning star of the evening star.
And they as they approached closer, they're obviously in a
triangle formation, as three can only be a black A
matte black triangle appeared with these three light points bin
at its corners. It then started to move. This triangle
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started to move in circles randomly, and next thing, there
were two other orbs, we'd call them, these orange fiery orbs,
moving around the triangle, and they were moving rapidly across
the sky. It was not any type of plane, it
wasn't any type of star. It wasn't starlink, which I've
seen elon Musk's aerial abomination. It wasn't a meteor. I've
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seen plenty of those. We lived in the countryside. We're
used to seeing meteor shooting stars, etc. It wasn't anything
like that, and they were able to go from one
side of the horizon to the other basically in the
blink of an eye. I like to take things in
and I'm not a big fan of phones, actually, so
I asked my wife if she would do the honors
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with her phone and get some footage. She took a
few photographs, and only at the end did she take
a small bit of footage where you could see some
of the lights moving in a kind of a violent
pattern near the near the horizon. I'll come back to
those images in a minute. So we walked on and
we said, my god, that we were stunned. What was that?
We walked on. About ten minutes later, three further lights,
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the same lights appeared in the sky the same direction,
a southerly direction, and just appeared briefly and disappeared. And
that was the full content of our experience. But we
look back then at what my wife had photographed, and
it was a triangle with the three light points, and
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we have that photograph and the video just shows, you know,
the these orange orbs just moving very rapidly and erratically
near the horizon. The craft was very large, very large.
It would not be less than each side, would not
be less than one hundred meters in length, and we
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didn't feel threatened. There was no subtext communication or anything
like that. Then that basically was our experience. And then
we googled a UFO's Ireland. Now up to that point,
I had absolutely no interest in UFOs. I was of
the Mars Attacks school, sharing the cultural skepticism that's popular
with this topic. But we googled UFO Ireland and a
(07:22):
book cover came up called Conspiracy of Silence UFOs in
Ireland by Dermott Butler and Carl Nlly. And what is
bizarre is there's a picture on the cover of that
book which is a black triangle with three lights at
the points and each light being that orange flame color.
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We were flabbergasted when we saw that, So we obviously
weren't the first people to see this phenomenon in Irish skies.
So Nick, that's basically the UFO experience I had.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
Oh, interesting, Staff, This is sometimes the reason why people
get involved in the subject is because no interest in
before and I've seen something strange, So this kind of
stuck out for you.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
DJ.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Yes, well, obviously I've been My eyes have been to
the skies when i'm walking since that time, and I've
started to listen to podcasts like your own for example.
You know, but I haven't seen anything since I saw
the starlink once. That was it. But I haven't seen anything,
not even a flash, and that can. We live on
a farm out in the countryside. We've on unoccluded views
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of the skies. There's no ambient background light going into
the visibility into the sky, so the visibility is excellent.
And I have not seen a single thing like what
I saw in February twenty twenty three, nothing like it.
So but I'm a convert to there have been something there, something.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
Well exactly, you've seen it. You live out in the
country and used to these these starlink satellites fill in
the sky, and you must be used to drones too.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Oh yeah. I've actually seen some low flying military drones.
I'm assuming they're American because they were very, very large
and silent, which have flown over our house. And I
have seen two meteorites. One of them was very large
and I think there's some copper base because they were green,
and I heard one of them hit the ground even
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quite near quite near our house. It was a huge
flash in the sky. We just saw this ball and
then there was a sound. So you know, we're not
we're not going to jump to conclusions when we see
anything in the sky that it's a UFO or anything
like that. So but this was of a completely different nature,
and it's consistent with other reported sightings of which we
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were completely unaware. So I think that that does add
a lot of credibility. And obviously having the photographs helps.
I was a bit disappointed my wife and take a
video of everything, because obviously we'd have licensed that now
for a couple of hundred thousand dollars. Now I'm joking,
but you know, the photographs. Photographs are as good as
you can get on an iPhone. This is another thing.
And but the video, although it's very short, that shows
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you the true color and nature of the movement of
these of the orbs and the vehicle. But the thing
about it was it didn't have a normal flight plan.
It was very erratic and I've never seen anything whatsoever
like it since. But I'm confident that it was something
belonged to the phenomenon of UAP or UFOs.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
You said the flight path was a bit erratic. Do
you mean that it wasn't a linear path? It absolutely wasn't.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Nick So it would fly maybe ten or fifteen degrees
of the sky in one direction, then it would go
straight up, then it would make go a circle, then
it would go back where it came from, and then
it would fade back into the clouds because it actually
was cloudy, and then come back through the clouds again
so we could see it. I'd say the whole experience
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lasted about three minutes. First experience, I would say, and
the second sighting lasted about thirty seconds. But they were
undoubtedly the same objects, There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
And the light on the front did it? Did it
have a leading edge?
Speaker 1 (11:09):
It did well, now that it wasn't an equilateral triangle.
The leading edge the longer side that had a light
at the point, as I had the two rear points.
But now now that now that you say it it
actually did travel on the leading edge side. Forgot to
mention that there was absolutely no sound whatsoever. And you
know we have we're on a flight path here, and
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we're used to certain flights during the night. You hear
them going over a long way over. Now there's no
airport near us, but you know, you would hear a sound,
whether it was delayed or the Doppler effect or whatever.
But there was absolutely no sound whatsoever from what we saw.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
Nothing did you hear of possibly of anyone now Dallas
had seen it. I know, it's like in the country,
no news travels fast, maybe in a local newspaper anything
like that.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Well, we reported to the local newspaper and they published
it and the Irish Aviation Authority reverted to them saying
that nothing was in the sky at that time, which
I'm not surprised at, but it's good. It's good to me.
That just confirms that it wasn't an aircraft. That's what
That's what's very important. The second thing is around here,
it's very, very sparsely populated. I'm not surprised that nobody
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else thought. It's not surprised at all. And the other
thing is, as you know, there is a shyness we
call it unwillingness to come forward in relation to these
type of experiences. In fact, I mean I had to
think very carefully coming even on this podcast, because you know,
I didn't want to be perceived as some sort of
a UFO nutjob like I used to think, like the
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Mars attacks type image of people who believe in UFOs.
But I'm a convert, now that's for certain.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
So you are wearing those beads, now.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yeah, I've got the purple streak and act and sackcloth
onnick good stuff.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Well, you know, I mean to be honest with you,
DJ the amount of people which reach out to me
and they are in exactly the same position. You know,
They've got top jobs, very very professional jobs, and they say,
you know, you're going to think I'm crazy, but this
is what I saw. I've got no interest in that.
The subject, I've got no interest in whatsoever. You know,
I don't drink, I don't take drugs, but this is
what I witnessed.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
I completely believe that. And we were in Bergen in
Norway late last year and in the hotel we were
saying there was a number of pilots staying and I
was just at the reception desk and a captain of
a plane just pulled in beside me at the reception
desk and we just got chatting. He was a Norwegian
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chap and I asked him, have you ever seen UFOs?
And he said, yeah, all the time. It's normal. That's
what he said. And then he said the only other
comment he made was the further north you go, the
more you see. And this was just a this was
as dry as bread conversation, just totally factual. There was
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no drink taken. It was in the middle of the day,
and he said he sees them all the time. And
I think it's it's kind of like it's just something
pilots don't don't don't shout about. But I thought it
was interesting the way he said, the further north you go,
the more likely you are to see them, based on
these you know, proported basis or whatever they're meant to
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exist at the polls. I just thought that was interesting.
But that man was also very credible. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
Absolutely, Yeah, the amount of pilots and people in ATC
that do see stuff but they don't get reported because
also a lot of time to just be flying a desk,
you know, And it's a shame really because there's a
lot of points out there which probably have some fantastic stories.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
I'd say they do. The other thing that you know,
you asked me to have a think about, where there
any other unusual things I experienced during my life, and
there were actually two. Now I know, the average par
comes on one of these podcasts telling you they have
an invisible friend who comes every night at three o'clock
in the morning and they're seeing, you know, tall gray
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strangers in their garden every five minutes. But this is
this isn't anything like that. I have to think back
on my life, and there actually were a couple of
things that happened that were extremely out of the ordinary.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
You go right ahead, DJ, we'd love to hear it.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Okay, Well, the first ones when I was younger, you
met the films like The Omen and things like that
were on television and The Exorcist, et cetera. And I
developed an unhealthy interest in Ouiji boards. And I had
a couple of friends there now one of the same
guys are One of them is a doctor now and
the other is as another doctor. So these were clever
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enough guys, and together we researched how to do a
formal saance with invocations and all the rest. So we
had our first seance in a library in our local town.
And you have to have a focus. We had a
folded up piece of paper. We did the incantation. We
went through the and it made joined hand et ceter
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on the table and quietened down and focused on the
piece of paper, and next thing, the piece of paper
rose up to eye level and when we broke the circle,
it dropped to the ground. We were absolutely terrified. Let's
say we were about thirteen or fourteen at the time.
We ran to the local church with the piece of
paper and put it in the holy waterfront because we
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were that scared. So that was fairly terrifying. I remember
sinply after that you'd be afraid you'd look at something
in case it would move. But there was no way
anyone could have blown the paper anything like that, because
it rose up, say, just over a foot off the table,
and however there until we broke we lifted our hands
and then it fell back immediately to the table. So
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that was my first kind of experience of anything happening
on Ouiji boards. But that didn't deter me in my
interest in yeah cult at that time, like a lot
of teenagers, and so we continued reading about seances and
demons and all this, and so we heard that if
we read that if you say the our father backwards
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in a mirror, the devil will appear. Now. You know,
I am a Catholic, and maybe at that stage of
my life my faith mightn't have been as strong. But
eventually I was kind of put forward as the person
who was going to do this. So I went into
a bathroom with a mirror. I had a pair of
rosary beads on me because I was that scared, and
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I said the our father backwards. Nothing happened. I was
so relieved. I left the room at home my friends.
Absolutely nothing happened. That's fine. That night I had to
travel to Cork to a funeral to my auntie's house.
I traveled down. I didn't think any further about it,
and I went to bed and in a room in
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my auntie's house. I was there on my own, and
at midnight, just after midnight, actually it was ten past twelve,
there was a massive sound in the room, like rocks
pulling apart. I couldn't describe it any other way. And
next thing was there was a massive light in the
room and a wind, and the bed I was on
was blown back against the wall. The room was wrecked.
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Every book in the place was thrown to the ground
against the wall, and I felt I didn't. My eyes
closed so tightly, and I was just wishing it would
go away. I was terrified, and it felt like there
was a figure there in front of me, and I
was terrified. Next thing, there was a sound like the
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rocks grinding again, and the light dimmed, and the figure
was gone, and I opened my eyes and the bed
was against the wall. Every book, every magazine, every mat
in the room was pressed up against the wall where
the bed had been pushed back to with the wind.
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And I think I spent three hours of the night
putting the room back together. Now I didn't know what happened.
I was wondering, did a truck hit the house, did
a truck reverse into the house? Was there lightning? Had
it been an earthquake. I didn't know what it was,
but I was mainly you can imagine like you're a
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young teenager, you're in your auntie's house and the room
is wrecked, okay. I was mostly concerned with putting the
room back together, which took absolutely forever, and so afterwards
I did think, you know, obviously I said the our
father backwards. In the mirror of that day, I wondered
that I'd have anything to do with it, and I
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was thinking, I was mostly settling up. Maybe a truck
hit the house, That's what I was I was thinking.
So you can imagine you're in bed on a ground
floor room and a truck like the huge light, the noise,
and you know, the bang and everything moves back. But
there was no marks on the house. And the years
went by, I didn't tell anyone about it. I didn't
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tell obviously my auntie or a family or anything like that,
because I was concerned I wrecked their house, you know.
And years later I was in university and I was
staying with my auntie, who I'm very close to, and
we started having a conversation about the occult, and so
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I told her this story. And my auntie is a businesswoman,
you know, very down to earth. She was holding a
white so I was about twenty at the time. She
was holding a white ceramic pot of tea and she
fainted and it fell on her foot, and so I
thought she fainted, you know, we were putting eyes on
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her foot and everything. And when she came to she
said to me, did that really happen to you? And
I said, yeah, it did happen to me. And she
said to me was it such and such a relation
of ours funeral that time? I said, yeah, that's that's
when it happened. That's actually when it did happen. She said,
the same thing happened her the same night in the house,
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and she never had told a sinner because they would
think she was insane. So Nick, that that happened two
very level headed people. And so my advice to anyone is,
do not mess with wigi boards. Stay away from them.
They're bad news.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
Indeed. Yeah, so that was that happened to Andy the
same night.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
The same night, And I can tell you it was
about eight years later when we had that conversation, and
she had not told a sinner about that, because like
whatever about a child saying it an adult saying that,
you know, people would think that you were you were crazy,
and my Auntie would be very religious as well. And
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she felt exactly like I felt that there was pure badness,
pure I don't say pure evil because I sound like Mulletman,
but there was there was like just a you know,
a very nefarious entity in the room in front of her.
But it was exactly the same the room, her room was.
Everything was pushed to one side, there was the wind,
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there was the light, there was the sound of something
of like a cave opening or rocks pulling apart. And
then she didn't open her eyes either, but she saw
like like you can imagine if there if something that
there's a light in front of you and some of
your eyes closed, something walks across it, you know something
is there. And that same thing happened her the same night,
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and that is it is an amazing story, but it
absolutely happened. And I do believe that the genesis of
that was the unfortunate decision that I made to say
the our father backwards in the mirror, which I think
was a terrible thing to do, and I regret doing it.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
Well, yeah, I think we've all done that at school.
I mean that all based from a legend, doesn't it?
Speaker 1 (22:59):
The rfar in the mirror?
Speaker 5 (23:00):
I think the Americans have think bloody Mary, right, I
didn't know that now And then you know, you've got
the movie Candy Man, haven't you where you say Candy
Man in the in the mirror and stuff. But yeah,
it's a it's a legend and it seems to go
across the world, but it's different variations of it. Funny enough,
we actually.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Read it in the colored book. That's where. That's where
we got it from. That's where we heard it. It
wasn't we didn't hear it anywhere. We actually read it
in a in a book. So that's it, you know,
that's that's that's interesting. I had one other experience happening.
It's not as dramatic if if you're interested in hearing.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
It, absolutely, yeah, it might slame my heart rate down
a little bit there, DJ.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Yeah, this this is this isn't as bad at all.
I was staying in a very nice place called Castle
Leslie and County Monahing in Ireland, and it was lucky
enough to be saying in the beautiful room called the
Mauve Rooms. It's an old castle the relations of Winston Churchill.
And you know we're saying in this beautiful room. But yeah,
nice dinner. And then went to stay in this room,
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four poster bed and all the rest and uh myself
my wife were lying in bed and I said, I
said to her, you see these glow worms. So what
are these? I kept like closing my hand trying to
grab the glow worms. He said, no, I don't see anything.
I said, look at the look at this one here.
Look it's right in front of us. And I kept
like clapping my hands trying to trap trap what I
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thought were these glowworms, you know, but I couldn't even
though I was slapping my hand. You know, there's nothing,
no residue of an insect on my hand whatsoever. And
then there were these wide flashes of green light up
and down the room. And you know, someone be a
thicker like a foot wide, some would be like two
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inches wide. These kind of bands of like gone up
and down the room. And I said to my wife,
do you know something, all the money we're paying for
this room, wouldn't you think they wouldn't have a water
feature at the window. So when people drive up, this
is happening. This is ridiculous. Like I was actually annoyed.
And she said, I can't see any green lights. Said
look look there, look look there they are. So that's fine.
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So the night went by. I didn't think anything of it.
The next morning we were at breakfast and we met
Sir John Leslie, who's now passed away. Quite a character indeed.
So Sir John said, oh, you stayed in the mob
room last night, and I said, yes, we did. Yeah,
and he said, did you see any orbs? I said
orbs no, said orbs no, and he said it's the
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most haunted room in Ireland. And you know people say
they see orbs and they see strange lights and movement
in the room. And then I went, oh, my god,
that's what I saw. Wasn't someone driving up the drive
and light shining off the water fountain or something like that,
or these glowworms floating about the place. It was nothing
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like that, obviously it was. It was what he referred to,
some sort of haunting happening in the room. So that's
it's not as extreme a story, but it's completely true.
And was bizarre was that my wife didn't see anything,
and I literally was squeezing my hand in front of
her face, looking looking, going I have I have the
glow I'm look I have look at them, look at
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them so I can't see anything and I said, no, no,
they're there. And only the next day the two of us,
now we both dropped our spoons into our porridge when
he told us that we were absolutely stunned so and
that that house is well known for hauntings, but it
was nice that it happened with no sort of advanced
notice or no preconceived ideas, you know, And because I'm not,
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wasn't someone looking for looking for ghosts? I certainly wasn't.
So that's that's the end of my Castle Leslie story.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
That's name stuff.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
DJ.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
You know every single one of your experiences, you know
you haven't been looking for it.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
No, I'm so busy with my own life, with the
practicalities of day to day living. I don't have time
for imaginings. And I don't need any extra people in
my life, imagined or otherwise. I've enough going on and
I'm not I'm not sure to friends either, So I like,
I like to stick to the type of a company
that has a heartbeat instead of.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
So well, thank you so much for coming on sharing
on this did reach out about a year ago, and
you know, life gets in the way, and we did
finally get you on, and I'm really glad we did.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
I truly enjoyed it, Nick, and I love the podcast,
and I'm afraid to admit I do go to sleep
listening to it at nighttime. It's your it's your voice
just has that has that certain lilt to us that
puts one asleep.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
You know, that is a very common email I get,
and I think I'm not sure. Like you can kind
of take it one of two ways. Either it's if
I've got a very boring voice or I have a
very soothing voice.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
I think it works both ways. What happened was you
missed your vocation as a hypnotist. So I think that's
what happened.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
Try out with my wife. It never works.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
We all try that. We all try that. Look into
my eyes, not around my eyes, in my eyes.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
That's it.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
Good stuff, DJ.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Lovely opian OPI enjoyed. They're all completely trounic. They all
happened me And like the one about the like I
am religious now, to be honest with you, I actually
was a captive missionary for oil and young when I
was younger, and as a lawyer, like you know that
thing about the our father backwards, like I can't believe
I did that. I was, you know, I'm actually disgusted
(28:23):
with myself thinking what kind of person was I to
do that at the time, you know, But all those
things happened, the one with John Leslie at the end,
like that. That was what was incredible, was that my
wife couldn't see a thing and I could see as
clear as day. But my friend who's the priest, said
that there are people like that. I know some other stories,
but they're not forsthand stories, so I won't tell them
(28:44):
to you.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (28:45):
Was that the Baron John Leslie?
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Yes, Sir John Leslie. But that night actually we went
disco dancing with them in Monaghan Town and he was
like ninety years old.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
It was a bit of a character, wasn't he.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Yeah, he was fairly crazy, yeah, but he was. He
enjoyed his position in the aristocracy in Ireland and put
it that way.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
But you'll be surprised, you might of folk who grew
up Catholic do dabble. You know, they have dabbled us,
but more so when they were teenagers, when they were
at that kind of age.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Well, to be honest with you, Nick, I didn't go
to Mass for nine years, right I was. I was
a very ferocious rugby player who liked very very bad
types of music. I drove a black motorbike, I had
the Mohican and then and then I went back to
my faith. And when I went back to my faith,
rather than just something I did grow up with it,
but having left it and come back to it. It
(29:33):
was incredibly enriching to come back to it and like
people are looking for so much, and to be honest
with you, I found it back where I started, which
was in my faith. You know. Yeah, well look, I
really appreciate the experience, the chance to hear those things
for posterity, and I look forward to see you coming
out and I remain a fan of the show and
one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
DJ, I really appreciate you coming on and sharing that
for our listeners.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Thank you, Nick, my absolute pleasure.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
It was wonderful to me. Okay, take care and we
will speak soon, Sir Houp.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Let's take care. Bye bye, b bye f And now.
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Speaker 5 (31:08):
Hello, Michael, welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Hey, how are you doing.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
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And you're calling from Ontario in Canada.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Yeah, I'm calling from a It's a city about an
hour outside of Toronto here in Ontario, Canada.
Speaker 5 (31:26):
Wonderful stuff shine up to our Canadians out there. Now,
you have some experiences to share with us. Would you
like to start at the beginning please, sir?
Speaker 4 (31:34):
Yeah, we have to go back to This happened when
I was a child, and it's relevant to me and
I think to you know, potentially retelling it on this
podcast because it's something that has stuck with me and
over the years, it's just kind of it's grown and
it's grown, and I think that's maybe a like a
common shared experience with people who have a story like mine,
(31:56):
where they see something and it sticks with them, and
maybe they don't tell people at first, and then they
start to tell people, and then those people go, I
kind of heard of something like that, and it grows
and it grows, and that's very much been my experience.
I grew up in like a very small town in
northern Ontario in here in Canada.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
It was about four hours north of Toronto.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
So if you look at Toronto on a map and
you'd kind of just like run your hand up, I
don't like three or four inches, there's like a big lake.
And then I grew up in a small town around there.
There's like twelve hundred people. It was just off the highway.
It was very much like felt like a like maybe
a movie where there's like a small town killer or something.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Or But also.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
If you're around my age, you would remember a video
game called Earthbound was an RPG game for the Super Nintendo,
and I know it also had to release as Mother two.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Or Mother three in Japan.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
You would know this if you knew the game, you'd
be correct acting me as you listen to this, But
it very much felt like the town from that game.
There's one of everything. There was one gas station there
was one grocery store. There was a funeral parlor. There
was a hockey arena, because there's always a hockey arena
in Canadian small towns and that's where like everyone socializes.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
And I was bad at hockey, so I wasn't a
part of that. But there was like one of everything.
And we were living just on the outside of that town.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
So it's a small town, twelve hundred people, and then
there's all this rural farmland. It's not so north that
there was always snow. There was snow four or five
months of the year. The rest of the year, you
kind of had a very muddy spring. You had a
beautiful autumn. You had like great, great Ontario summers where
(33:46):
there's farm fields and the sunsets like dropped forever and
it feels like, you know, you get that extended twilight
in the summer. And I remember a lot of that
as a child because I would spend so much time
staring into the sky after the thing that I saw,
which kind of leads to all of this. So I
was seven years old. This happened to me in July
(34:08):
of nineteen ninety two. I was seven years old. I
know that because we moved homes the following summer. I
know what age I was when I moved.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
I remember all of this.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
I was being babysat with my sister, who was younger
than me, about a kilometer or two down this like
rural highway, you know, it's they're all kind of called
highways when they go out in the middle of other communities.
But our babysitters house was the woman who looked after us.
(34:40):
Our house was down always, so we had to get
picked up via a car and driven back to our house.
And I remember it was one evening, and it would
have been in the summertime because we were there all
day long, so we weren't in school where we looked
after throughout the summer at this woman's house and there
was like seven kids there maybe. Anyways, I didn't talk
(35:03):
to any of them about any of them about what
happened to me, because they were either like younger or
I knew they wouldn't be interested. And I instantly had
a fear of talking to people about this event. Well, so, okay,
we really I was being picked up, We were being
my sister and I were being picked up from the
babysitter's house.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
And I remember very very vividly. It was in the back.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
We had like a like a Toyota Corolla, like this
gray thing it was. It was nothing glamorous. We were
driving down this country highway and I was looking out
the right side of the window and I was looking over.
You could well this small town I grew up in
was was called Powassen, Ontario. It means bend in the
(35:48):
creek because there's a creek that runs through it. And
I was looking over where this creek leads to some water,
and I remember looking up and the object I saw
didn't look like any of the planes that I remember seeing.
And there wasn't a whole lot of planes that went
over Quasson, Ontario. We weren't on a major flightpath except
for a later detail. But I remember looking up and
(36:12):
I saw this object and it was it's become very
common to in the world of UFOs, but in nineteen
ninety two, to a seven year old me, this was
a foreign object. This was something I didn't understand or
I wasn't sure what I was seeing. And it was
a triangle moving horizontally across the sky, and it felt
(36:34):
like it was low and none of the there was
a light on each corner of this triangle, and none
of them were blinking. And that stood out to me instantly,
and I remember staring at it and staring at it,
and it would have been maybe twenty seconds, and it
was moving along low and weird, and there's no other
way I can describe what my seven year old brain
(36:55):
made of it other than that's low and that's weird
and instantly for some reason, terrifying, confusing. Maybe my sister
was in the car next to me. She would have
been maybe looking out the other one now, regardless, she
didn't see it. My mother didn't see it. I think
my father was in the car too. I don't completely remember.
Usually it was with my mom picking me up. Anyways,
(37:15):
I'll always see that. The last time I passed through Huasson, Ontario,
my wife and I we drove to that spot and
I said, like, this is where that happened. And I
kind of sat there and like it all came back.
I remember after seeing it, looking out that window of
the bedroom in my house that kind of went in
(37:36):
the same direction over where I saw this.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
This thing, it was an object. It was it was
a moving triangle. And what's notable is that like it
was still daylight.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
I would it would have been at max six thirty
seven pm when we were being picked up.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
It's July.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
That sun doesn't drop till like nine thirty at its most,
at the latest that it sets, So this wasn't an
experience where, you know, the light like I could see
that there was a light on each point of this triangle,
regardless of it was still it wasn't quite twilight, but
it was still very much daylight out and I always
(38:14):
felt that was notable.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Anyways, time went on this. It was nineteen ninety three
that The X Files.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
Debuted on TV, and instantly I was like, okay, Like
there were a couple instances within that first season where
it was like this, this feels like something that I
was eight years old, you know, I was starting to
get hooked on that. Later that summer, I believe it
was Fire in the Sky was released into theaters, and
I was still I was hooked on this UFO thing
(38:42):
because I saw Ufo.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
I was telling myself, I saw Ufo, so I beg
to go see the movie.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
My dad, I don't think had any idea that it
was going to be like such a visually terrifying movie,
and you know that amplified my interest and what did
I see is going happened to me? What's going on
throughout my childhood and my parents have showed me this
and some of the workbooks from elementary school, and I
(39:09):
think I tapped out of drawing this thing in you know,
grade seven eight because it's getting like too cool for
being the guy that saw Ufo.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
As a child.
Speaker 4 (39:19):
But there's pictures that I drew of this, like all
over my work, like this is a Ufoi saw, this
is ufoisaw. I remember there was a sci fi magazine
and I don't know what it is, but I had
always like a random if we were going on a
long car ride, and then there's always a long car ride,
you know, I might get a magazine and I would
pick up like a magazine on Kung Fu or on
(39:40):
like a monster truck, different every time. They're interesting to
flip through. And I remember there was a sci Fi
one I had and in the back it had a
submission form and I don't know if it was for
Uphon specifically, but it was for some organization. It was
a submit your report of what you've seen, if you've
seen something. I remember there was a diagram of the
man with his arm raised up to the sky, and
it's a I think it's as myth, Like at what
(40:01):
level did.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
You see it at it?
Speaker 4 (40:02):
I remember ticking it off and drawing on it. I
remember mailing it in and I don't know if anything
ever happened to it. But this is where I think
this story kind of like becomes more than this was
something I saw in the sky as a child, and
I can't confirm that it's a quote unquote UFO, but like,
I don't know what it was, so I guess it was.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
So in twenty.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
Sixteen, I was working in community radio at that time
and one of the people I was working with was
like a producer and did some work for the CBC,
and we were talking one night about about UFOs because
I think there was something that was being done at
the time by the CBC, and he was just bringing
it up as a topic of conversation and I shared
(40:45):
my story and he said, oh, and have you ever
looked in to see if they have that report?
Speaker 2 (40:51):
So I said, oh, no, I never really did.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
So I started googling, and I started looking around and
the different orgs that have data FO submissions and sightings
and I couldn't find mine. I searched July nineteen ninety two,
and then I searched maybe it was July ninety three,
and there is nothing, nothing, nothing, but what I did
find me too in Mississauga, Ontario, which is four hours
(41:14):
south driving of Passan, Ontario, where I was. But you know,
in aircraft, I've flown that in a commercial airplane that
was half an hour, so it's not impossible that something
that could be impossible could make itself back and forth.
But regardless, there was an adult who submitted a sighting
(41:35):
from Mississauga, Ontario who saw the same thing I did
that same month I did as a child in nineteen
ninety two. I always found that there's no smoking gun
to this, and I don't think there ever will be.
But that really really interested me further in that my
interest has grown in like recent months, because in twenty
twenty four, when all along the East coast of the
United States there was all the mystery drone sightings.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
What is this? What is this?
Speaker 4 (41:59):
So many of those drones looked exactly like the thing
I saw in nineteen ninety two. That's only highlighted a
bit of interest because wasston Ontario is twenty minutes twenty
five minute drive south of North Bay, Ontario, which is
like the main economic center, if not for Sudbury, Ontario,
in that northern Ontario sphere. So you know, both of
(42:22):
my parents worked in North Bay, Ontario. They would drive
into the city and then back out to where we
lived every night. But also North Bay, Ontario at their
Air Force base had a Norrad base that was like
a three story bunker underground built into Airport Hill in
North Bay.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
And as a kid, you grow up.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
In here like, oh, they have an alien at Norrad,
or you know, if the war starts up, like North
Bay is going to get nuked because the Norrad base
is there, and that may have been like it. I
think it was absolutely a target because it was a
defense like operational, like huge, massive production. But I also
it made me wonder if and I don't know, this
(43:03):
is like the the what if section of my brain,
but if what I saw in nineteen ninety two was
like an early version of some sort of if not
alien alien spacecraft or alien technology or technology that we're
not you know, we weren't privy to, then maybe we're
just seeing now thirty five years later, come to light.
(43:26):
And that's these questions that keep kind of growing from this,
this what did I see in the sky as a
child too? Who can I talk to this about? And
as a child it was nobody. I would make drawings
and I would tell anybody who wanted to listen. But
it's a weird thing, I think, to talk to a
child about, especially back then. And this again was this
was before the X files, like had popularized it to
(43:50):
kids my age. You know, I grew up alongside other
kids who got into the X files, and in the
thirty something years since all anytime you point yourself in
any direction of something in the sky, you see these
like the black triangle or just the floating triangle. And
we saw it against so much with the drones. And
(44:11):
I don't know, at least what I think I saw.
I mean, I don't think i'll ever know what I
saw for sure, and I don't think there's any way
to confirm what I saw. But it's left like a lasting,
like a it's like a like a bruise, you know,
like no one can really see it, but you know
it's there, and it's like, oh that kind of it's
(44:32):
a weird thing that doesn't. It's not going away. You're
always sort of thinking of it. And anytime you see
discussion on the like UAP disclosure in the United States,
it's like, I wonder if what I saw was like
something going on involved with all of this, but when
I was just a boy. So that's what brought me
interest in sharing my story of the experience I had
(44:57):
as a child in northern Ontario.
Speaker 5 (45:00):
And you've been sharing that, Michael. You know this obviously
has had quite a lasting impression on you.
Speaker 4 (45:05):
Yeah, it's just it's always one of those like, you know,
if people talked about, I don't know, like being in
a jet ski accident, and you were in a jet
ski accident, you'd be like, oh, I was in a
jet ski accident once, but like like, yeah, I saw
I think I saw UFO when I was a child,
and it's I've thought about it a lot as a child,
(45:26):
and I've continued up until the forty year old man
i've become. I continue to think about this. It's caught
my attention long.
Speaker 5 (45:34):
Term directly after Did you ever remember telling anyone about it?
Speaker 4 (45:39):
No, not directly, like I'd written on school pages and stuff,
but I was afraid to talk to people about it.
And that was amplified after watching Fire in the Sky
the following year, where it's like, oh, is this what's
going to happen to me if I do speak about
like that movie specifically presented that like such a terrifying,
you know, vision of like what extraterrestrial life could be like,
(46:02):
and it wasn't et you know, so it definitely scared
me away. I think from speaking to somebody about this
until you know, I would just casually share it in
conversation as a young adult, you know, if you're around
friends and they're like, oh, I heard about it's like, yeah,
I saw something as a But I mean, how seriously
(46:23):
do I expect people to kind of take me in
a casual This wasn't in a professional setting. I was
a seven year old child, But I mean, I don't
think it would hang with me if if it wasn't
something like real or at least real to me.
Speaker 5 (46:38):
You mentioned that the drawing you done in your school books.
Did you ever keep any of them?
Speaker 2 (46:42):
My parents have some.
Speaker 4 (46:43):
I actually took I took a photo of one of
what the drawing looked like. I think I could probably
find it. Yeah, I've seen it and it is. It's
a it's a triangle with lights on the corners and
light emitting from the center. And that's kind of I mean,
it was with pencil crayons, and it's like a stick drawing. Really,
(47:04):
it wasn't very detailed. But yeah, I could find a
photo of it somewhere here. I know, I've taken a
photo of it on the piece of paper at my
parents' house.
Speaker 5 (47:12):
Good stuff. Yeah, if you send that to us, what is?
I put that on the website below your episode so
people can go check it out. I love when people
do that, when people do sketches from decades ago.
Speaker 4 (47:22):
Well, I wish I had that submission for him. I
wish I could figure out who I sent that to
or Oh, yeah, I don't know if you can see
on the web came there?
Speaker 5 (47:31):
Oh yes, okay, so Michael shumm me his little drawer
in there, and he's he's got a red light in
the top leading edge of the triangle and amber lights
on the bottoms.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
But it was moving.
Speaker 4 (47:45):
It wasn't moving towards. It was moving like away and up,
but it was low. It was I don't know, I
thought it was. It was weird enough to dig this
much of a hole in my brain for this long,
for this many years, And it wasn't so much like
it looked like it was more stood up kind of
like this, rather than like like perpendicular to the ground.
(48:08):
I feel like there was almost no nose, Like I
could just see that there was a triangle floating like
from the left to the from the right to the left,
across the sky lower. But I couldn't grasp the scope
of like we weren't underneath it. It was far enough away.
It wasn't over top of the car. It was like
(48:28):
in the distance but not too far because I could
see that it was above the trees where.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
The lake was, and but barren in mind that you
you know, you were seven, I was seven. Yeah, it
was also seven well, but speed wise, like slower than
you would expect. Well, it was low.
Speaker 4 (48:46):
So when a plane is low, like, they always look
like they're going fast, especially if they's they're not landing anywhere,
so like lower but faster than you would see. It's
hard to gauge because I've seen so many planes pass by,
and like you know, I have the flight tracker hap
and I'm always like, oh, I wonder what that is,
and it's a shipping plane going across, so and it
(49:06):
doesn't move like any of those. It was like a
Everything was like uniform going across like all three like
lighted points. I'd like left right, almost got a fast
hover rather than like anything that looks like it's propelled
by something.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
Almost.
Speaker 5 (49:23):
Okay, you had quite a few seconds, last about twenty seconds.
Speaker 4 (49:28):
Well I think it lasted longer than our car because
we were driving along the road too. So eventually we
hit tree line and I lose everything. There's a there's
a building that used to be called the Funny Farm,
which was they had like donkeys and they had like
rabbits and stuff, and they also had a candy store.
But that building was the cutoff from where I stopped
(49:49):
seeing this object as we drove by it. And then
there's there's enough forest that it's gone. It's behind there somewhere.
Speaker 5 (49:56):
Okay, do you remember what your immediate reaction was to
see in it?
Speaker 4 (50:00):
Like it was like this weird keep your mouth shut
kind of like don't say it wasn't like look at this.
And I don't know why I didn't, because there's potentially
this could have caught like saved me a lot of
grief if I was like, look at that, and my
mother was like, oh, that's like this type of helicopter
or something like that, which again I don't think it was,
but I didn't tell anybody. It was a weird what
(50:22):
did I see? Like, the interest peaked after I saw
it in other media, like in the following years it's like, no,
that looks like what I saw, and that looks like
what I saw, because at first, by definition, it was
a UFO, but it wasn't like a flying saucer, you know,
like all the media I had consumed the like referenced
(50:44):
UFOs at that point, or like the idea of a
UFO was like a cartoon alien, you know, like a
Martian riding a flying saucer on the side of a
birthday gift wrap or something.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
Because I was seven years old, that was.
Speaker 4 (50:59):
My knowledge of this subject up till that point in
nineteen ninety two, when it was now, okay, that's not
a flying saucer, but that's something in the sky and
it's not like it doesn't look like any plane I've
ever seen, and it's not a helicopter. It's three lights
moving lower than I normally see things, but in a
(51:21):
way that is like uniform across It doesn't look like
tail wing lights on a plane where you can kind
of tell the distance between them was like even so
I don't know, the plane would have to be moving
across the sky with its nose completely up left to
right and its tailed like you know what I mean,
like kind of like side shuffling somehow for that to
(51:44):
make sense in my head that it was a plane.
It was always that's a triangle, you know, sure?
Speaker 5 (51:49):
And years later, you know, having seen the same shape
objects being witnessed and reported, So that's like confirmation for you,
isn't it?
Speaker 2 (51:58):
Well, it really did feel like one.
Speaker 4 (52:01):
Is this confirmation that I didn't invent this thing in
my brain as a child to keep myself busy, like,
am is there something?
Speaker 2 (52:07):
Because I always felt like, well did I?
Speaker 4 (52:09):
I'm sure I saw that, but maybe there's something else
happening there, you know, because no one else saw it
or whatever. But the more I saw it in media,
like the what's it at three RB is like the
TR three B, I get those confused the like classic
like black triangle military looking spaceship. I didn't see the
(52:31):
like black definition of this. It was very much the
triangle lighting, which was much more similar to a lot
of the drone footage that I saw come out like
a year and a half ago or two years ago,
or whatever it was.
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Speaker 5 (53:25):
And when you told your parents today, was it more
of a like a pound a head and sent you
on your way or tod they listen to you.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
I don't think I really told them about it.
Speaker 4 (53:33):
I think they saw it in my schoolwork, like much
later after it's been collected, and I remember talking to
them about it, probably like after i'd already left home
in my twenties, gone a visit.
Speaker 2 (53:44):
Yeah, I saw it. It was down Highway five thirty four.
It was right by.
Speaker 4 (53:48):
Elaine, who was a woman who babys had us buy
her house before the Funny Farm. We were driving home
and they know the spot.
Speaker 2 (53:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (53:56):
It just felt like something I couldn't tell my parents.
Not that I had done something bad or wrong, but
like I don't think I could process it myself, So
I don't.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
Know how to.
Speaker 4 (54:06):
I didn't I didn't have like the language or like
confidence I guess to try to explain that to my
parents at that age.
Speaker 5 (54:13):
Yeah, that's understandable.
Speaker 1 (54:14):
I know.
Speaker 5 (54:14):
You build out a report in a magazine years and
years ago, but never too late, far a new report
and just with as much details as you can, because
you'll be surprised that people which light yourself, you know,
droll through these reports to see if anyone else that's
in specific to towns whatever, you know, also trying to
get answers themselves. So it wouldn't be a bad idea.
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I mean, historic counts not a problem. You know, people
always go back.
Speaker 2 (54:40):
Yeah, that's a great idea.
Speaker 4 (54:41):
Actually I should do that because I mean the town
I'm from is small enough that if you were to
search that, it would be one of like a handful
of hits if you search it plus UFO, and that
would certainly bring it up and had I seen somebody else,
you know, saw that from paasstin Ontario in that time
period like that would that would well, one, I would
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probably know them indirectly somehow from growing up, but it
would also have been like massive woke more than the
people who saw it in Mississauga. That would have been
like very much a confirmation that that we both saw
something going on up there.
Speaker 5 (55:16):
Of course, even just like on town Facebook groups put
out a post, you might get hit on that, but
of course it was you know, it was a long
time ago. When people age and people's memories change, there's
always that option. So now, Michael, when you look up
to the sky, how do you feel, are you always
searching for that of a sight in there?
Speaker 4 (55:35):
Yeah, there's been so many times. My wife and I
there's like a great park behind where we live. Well
it's a it's a good park, but at night it's
completely empty. So we go back there sometimes and look
up at the sky and we get to see so
much more than we did we were living in the city,
because in Toronto you just see planes and that's it.
Speaker 2 (55:52):
But here, you know, we got to see.
Speaker 4 (55:54):
The northern lights from our from our balcony. At one point,
which is we're in southern Ontario. That's it's really cool
to be able to see that from so far.
Speaker 2 (56:03):
But we'll often look like.
Speaker 4 (56:04):
Oh, I wonder what that is, and I've never seen
anything close to what I saw. We were in Arizona
together on our honeymoon a couple of years ago, and
there was a good two or three minutes I was like,
that's a U phone. It's moving so weird, and we
were trying to get coverage on our phone. We're Canadians,
so we had like a dodgy SIM card and trying
to get coverage to figure out on flight tracker, what
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are we looking at?
Speaker 2 (56:25):
Where are we looking?
Speaker 4 (56:26):
And after two or three minutes of me going, that's
got to be We're seeing the EU a phone in
the desert. This is so cool, this is what we
want it turned. It was totally just a plane like
doing a weird turned in front of us. But as
much as I'm always looking and as much as we're
sometimes standing out back going you know, it would be
really cool right now if it just happens, they all
just come out of the sky right now. It's like here,
it is just something to break up what we're seeing.
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NonStop on the news every single day, and it's just
just give.
Speaker 2 (56:53):
Us to it, you know.
Speaker 4 (56:55):
Come now, now's a good time to come. And if
you're gonna stop everything and like make world peace, let's
do it. If you're not, let's do the other thing too.
I haven't seen anything close to what I saw. Is
everything I see now thankfully too. With an app, you
can I can confirm that's a plane. That's that's like
a rescue helicopter, so it's moving weird. That's somebody in
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like a biplane flying around. I haven't seen anything that
looks like that triangle I saw as a child.
Speaker 5 (57:22):
And of course this image will always stare with you now.
I mean, these days there's there's more air traffic obviously,
and there's more satellites flying around, you know, which is
a bit frustrating sometimes. But you know, we have all
these apps so we can search things pretty quickly. So
if you're out there and you see something strange, download
these apps if you can, and then then double check.
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As much as we love mystery, you know, it's always
good to get answers to the things we're seeing.
Speaker 4 (57:49):
And it's fascinating to see how much you said, like
there's there's an entire like netting web of like what
like several competing like internet providers now like going around
the globe, and how much like freight traffic there is
going above you, and and you know, like private jets
just kind of cruising by, and those are all things
that Yeah, because of an app, now you can easily
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confirm like that's a plane, that's a plane, that's a plane,
that's a plane.
Speaker 2 (58:12):
I don't know what that is. That's really interesting exactly.
Speaker 5 (58:15):
Yeah, and if anything, you get to learn what's up there.
You know, you get to learn the stars and all
that kind of stuff, which is you know, which is
great for anyone.
Speaker 4 (58:23):
Yeah, and you got to think, like our ability to
see that stuff is just fading away. I don't know
how the more space junk and tech that we throw
up there, the less we're gonna see of like that
natural what has been in the sky since time. It's
definitely worth taking a look on like a very clear night,
like just spending some time letting your eyes adjust.
Speaker 5 (58:44):
I mean, you're in a great place. I mean you
get to see the northern lights and everything. I mean,
that's one thing that I've never seen and the one
time we actually did have it low enough in the
United Kingdom. I was away. I completely missed it, and
me and my wife has said, you know, we'd always
go up to Scandinavia Iceland try and get the view
of the license. We just haven't made it yet. Maybe
for our anniversary or something, we might try and book that.
Speaker 2 (59:07):
That'd be nice. Yeah, absolutely, I know.
Speaker 5 (59:10):
You said you did community radio before. I used to
do anything like that.
Speaker 4 (59:15):
No, unfortunately, No, I used to. I mean it was
at one point I was doing five shows a week.
I was doing like all these different themed like I
did a show that took place in a fake pub
and I had like voice actors play like the like
the barkeep, and then regulars and they would come up
and request stuff and I would play it and and
people would actually like write in be like where's this bar,
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Like I want to come hang out. It's like no,
it's this world I built. And then I had Oh
I used to do like a calendarized like what's going
on in the city show. And I did a show
called make You a Mixtapehere. I made like a mixtape
for a Canadian person place or thing. I just did
over like eight years, I did thousands of hours of
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just radio and themed episodes of stuff and i' burnt
myself well out on it and I haven't done anything
in years now.
Speaker 5 (01:00:04):
See that's a fantastic idea. It's like the old time
radio dramas.
Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Oh yeah, yeah, it was fun.
Speaker 4 (01:00:09):
It was called Last Orders and the place was called
the Richmond Arms, So I just picked it so so
generic kind of and yeah, it was all music you
would hear played in a pub on a Wednesday night
from midnight to close, and that's when the show aired.
Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
And it was based on my experiences DJing.
Speaker 4 (01:00:27):
At bars where they would give you like a Wednesday
night to dj, and it was awful and you would
just play like really depressing stuff till you close and
get everyone out of there.
Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
So it was all like sad music. It was lively.
Speaker 4 (01:00:37):
Every episode would have kind of like a theme to it,
and at the end, the pub owner sells the bar
and that's like the last episode.
Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
I closed it off like that.
Speaker 5 (01:00:45):
And was that just only on the radio?
Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
That was a no.
Speaker 4 (01:00:48):
That's still all of it's archived online on mixed cloud.
That was on a community radio station that a friend
and I ran in Toronto called TRP It was called
Toronto Radio Project and it was like heavily influenced from
like NTS and then also like WFMU in New Jersey,
so it was like a blend of There was like
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a lot of techno and there was a lot of
like UK garage on the station. Actually there was a
lot of expats. The guy I ran it with was
from like Huddersfield or something up by Manchester. Oh yeah,
but yeah, that was on that station. And I aired
it like Wednesday's Midnight twelve to two as it was
made to sound like it was live to air kind
of thing from this bars we were closing down. It
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was a lot of It was my most like conceptual
the radio shows I did, and it got it got
like a shout out in like our national newspaper here
while the Toronto Star, the UK Guardian wrote about it
when they were like reviewing best online stations, they mentioned it,
which was interesting.
Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
Or no, sorry, the Telegraph wrote about it. Yeah it
wasn't the Guardian, but yeah that was cool.
Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
That was just like this.
Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
We ran it in the basement of a vintage shop
and then eventually we moved up to like a storefront
where like people could walk in and like hang out
and beyond the raid, well beyond the Internet radio, and
then I worked at a college campus community station for
like four years after that in Toronto.
Speaker 5 (01:02:09):
Wonderful. Well, you know, if you ever get back into that,
I think there's so many podcasts out there which are
so say. I mean, I grew up with radio.
Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
I love radio.
Speaker 5 (01:02:17):
In fact, I kind of base this show in a
manner of speaking with Art Bell. I was always a
huge Art Belfa.
Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
Oh I love I have.
Speaker 4 (01:02:26):
I have like it's like seventeen hundred episodes on a
media server here, and every night before I go to bed,
I find a day in the past, like September tenth,
two thousand or whatever. I find that episode and I
listen to it and I go, Okay, this is what
was happening like twenty four years ago today.
Speaker 5 (01:02:43):
Great idea. That's what I love. Yeah, when you listen
to him and he's talking about Clinton, and he's talking
about stuff which is happening, and that was something wine
for the show, and so so many of our guests,
you know, including yourself. You know, you come on, they're
not just sharing lights in the sky, sharing things. They
were into the things they would they would doing. You know,
you were describing a video game which just like your
small town. You just yeah, one gas station all that.
(01:03:06):
And that's what I love. I love listening to It's
not just about the unexplained elements. It's all about people's lives.
Speaker 4 (01:03:12):
Yeah, I wanted a world, build a little bit and
put it into place, because you say, like small town Canada,
you think maybe like the Arctic almost, or you think
just like lumberjacks and stuff. But like this was like
a farming like rural community, you know, just off the highway.
I don't know why it started, but it's there and
there's like twelve hundred people and that's it and it'll
never get any bigger and da da da da dah.
(01:03:33):
But it was like really cool being a child in
that talent because you had free run of the entire
until the highway. You could go in anyone's backyard, you
could everybody knew each other, everyone was cool with everyone
else's kids. You could just whatever, and it was a
really cool like community to grow up in. But by
like thirteen fourteen, and I really want to get out
of that sort of smaller sort of environment.
Speaker 5 (01:03:57):
To everyone was out there and experience that same kind
of thing growing up, go for your teenage years wanting
to get out of it and see the world and
all that, and then when you get older you want
to go back to that life simpler times.
Speaker 4 (01:04:08):
Yeah yeah, I mean I if housing didn't explode there
since I lived there, I would love to go back
and live in that small town again, you know, once
I'm kind of done with what I want to do
around the city, that would be.
Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
That'd be a cool place to kind of age out,
you know where I started.
Speaker 5 (01:04:24):
Now to our listeners, Michael does have his own studio.
That's why Mike is so so clear, so crystal clear.
What are you doing at the minute, if you don't
mind me asking, Michael, But.
Speaker 4 (01:04:32):
I'm doing a bunch of like little things, trying to
piece them together into like one main thing which hasn't
happened yet. But I have an online vintage arts store.
It's on Instagram at time Passages shop. I'm kind of
piecing together a lot of little things here post community radio.
Speaker 5 (01:04:50):
Life, great stuff. Well, Michael, I really appreciate you coming
on sharing that for our listeners.
Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Yeah, no problem, Thanks for having me. This is cool.
Speaker 4 (01:04:58):
I always love the idea of like like again. Like
open calls or bell like it's every night I listen
to it. And producing more of that into the world
is good. I mean, people love sharing their experiences and
listening to them too.
Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
So they do.
Speaker 5 (01:05:13):
Indeed, it does happen now and again, where I'd have
so many emails in that say that guest that you
had from their experience in nineteen seventy one, I was
on that highway and I saw the same thing.
Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
So yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 5 (01:05:25):
Yeah, it's rare, mind, but it does happen, so hopefully.
Speaker 4 (01:05:29):
Still, that's cool. That's what you want. You want confirmation
that you know you're not alone in this, like it's
it's a thing.
Speaker 5 (01:05:36):
Yeah, And the good news is, Michael, we're not alone. Absolutely,
It's been wonderful to meet and Michael. Okay, take care
and we will speak, Okay, God, have a good day. Yeah,
and you take care bye, Okay, Bye. Well that's all
for this episode. Keep updated and connected with the show
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encounter that you'd like to share on the podcast, you
can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com,
or you can recheck to me via a contact page
on my website UFO Chronicles podcast dot com. A big
thank you to DJ and Michael for sharing tonight, and
thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
All for listening.
Speaker 5 (01:06:17):
I will be back next week. Till then, stay safe
and keep watching the skies.
Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
Goodbye. To create
Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
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