Ep.356 In the Stillness of Night

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (01:13):
A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share
their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had
an encounter, I would like to be on the show.
You can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com.

(01:47):
Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. How are you?
I'm Nick Hunter and this is the UFO Chronicles podcast.
The first of our two guests tonight is Jesse from
Minnesota in the US, and after the loss of her
beloved dog, Jesse turned to the CIA's gateway process meditation
seeking comfort and instead opened a doorway to something far stranger.

(02:12):
What began with visions of crystal spiders and dire apparitions
soon led to encounters that challenged her understanding of reality.
Her story in falls through grief meditation and the moments
that deny explanation. Then we move on to Sawmill in India,
in a remote village beside the backwaters of a dam,
a quiet night beneath the stars, when two silent objects

(02:35):
flew in perfect tandem over the water. Years later, after
a near fatal stroke, Sawmil woke up in the ICU
and was visited by three magenta roaded beings who seemed
to heal him. His doctors predicted a year of recovery.
He walked out in just nine days. Jesse is up next,

(02:57):
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the show, Hello Jesse, Welcome to the podcast.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Hello Nick, nice to be here. Thank you for having me.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
You are more than welcome. Thank you for joining us
today because it is a very early morning for you
at the minute, and you're calling from Minnesota.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
That's correct.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
Now, you have some experiences to share with us. Would
you like to start at the beginning please.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yes, of course. So most of my experiences have been
of paranormal nature. They kind of started as a teenager.
I had lots of night terrors, dark shadows in the corners,
possibly shadow people. I've had heavy blobs of I would
say black energy hovering over my body, and I'd wake
up in the middle of the night and kind of

(04:12):
scream and figure out where I was. When I was
six years old, there was one instance at my great
aunt's cabin where I opened my eyes to a red
glowing face. I kept blinking multiple chimes to kind of
get rid of this face, but even if my eyes
were open or closed, it was still there, hovering. I

(04:32):
had another similar image and experience again in my twenties,
where I opened my eyes to this red, menacing face
projecting towards me through the darkness. It was very odd
and very unwavering. And then I've also had my name
whispered to me in the middle of the night, other
odd experiences in between awake and sleep.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Stage.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
One of instances which one of your other guests had,
which kind of prompted me to contact you, was I
had woke up to these beautiful crystal spiders hanging from
my ceiling. There was probably a dozen of them. They're
about a foot long, they had hexagonal pyramid shaped abdomens.
They had eight spindly long, very delicate legs, and they

(05:21):
just hung there and kind of spun. And again, this
was in between my sleep and awake, and that's when
most of my experiences with the paranormal tend to happen.
A couple of years later, I had moved to a
different house and nothing really out of the ordinary. Let
me step back here to tell you the experience. It
actually awoken me to all these other UFO abnormal experiences.

(05:44):
So I had a dog that just passed thirteen years.
He was my everything. I had a bond deeper with
him than any other being on this planet, and he
had passed away, and I was having a really hard
time with it. So I decided to turn to meditation
and meditate head I had never done before, but always
was kind of curious about the whole process. So I

(06:06):
decided to go all in right away, right off the bat,
and I looked up the CIA Gateway processes. I found
Track one. I blind folded myself, put noise cancelly headphones on,
and right before I pressed play, I kind of spoke
to the universe. I said, please show me more to
this life. There has to be more to this life.

(06:27):
So I pressed play and kind of followed the prompts,
and you kind of get into this meditative state. Soon
I found blackness, but then colors started to come, fading
in and fading out, and they would kind of twirl around.
But then a masculine, kind of a misty white face
appeared to my right hand side, and it was there

(06:48):
just for a moment, and then it was gone. And
then the most astonishing thing happened. A red color appeared
with white and it started twisting and turning, and it
was turning in a clockwise manner, and this portal opened
and I literally like fell into this portal and it
kind of pulled me in. And on the other side

(07:10):
of this was complete darkness, blackness. There was nothing there,
no sound, no vision. But then I saw, I would
say her, because it just felt more feminine. But like so,
if you can imagine this blackness. But this entity then
poked its head almost from behind a wall, I made

(07:32):
eye contact with, I said her. It felt feminine. A
very large head I would say egg shaped, humanoid, but
definitely not human. Eyes were a lot larger than ours
farther said apart, seemed to have kind of straggly hair
pulled down to each side. And then it receded back
behind the wall and disappeared. Then another figure poked its

(07:55):
head out, less human than the first one, a bit
larger head, it's to be a bit darker in skin tone,
no hair at all. The eyes were even larger and
more baldous, same with its head, and then it disappeared
behind the wall. And then the third entity poked its
head around again, and they seemed to all just be

(08:15):
kind of like, oh, you're here, Like it was just
so bizarre. But this last entity was one hundred percent
a gray alien. There's no doubt in my mind that's
what it was. And again it wasn't threatening. There was
no communication, but it was more like, oh, you're here,
and it was kind of like bumped into each other,
as it seemed. And then my physical body I felt

(08:38):
like a vibration and something that snapped me out of it,
and so I ripped off my blindfeld to come to
find out my kid had walked in and kind of
awoke me from this whole experience, which was kind of
a bummer because I wanted to see what had happened next,
and I had done more of the gateway processes. I
made my way through them. After that, never got to

(09:01):
that experience again, and maybe because the first one was
so I made such a point to say, I need
to know that there's more. Maybe that's why I got more.
And then from there on I've seen colors and maybe
faces and stuff, but nothing too too intense. But after that,
I worked on just my regular meditation skills and started

(09:22):
kind of opening that door. When I was in that meditation,
I was asking the universe if anything needed help, if
I could help the universe. Well, that night, I had
then woken up to see a line of people next
to my bed, and again it was black and gray color,
so there was no color to these individuals. And after

(09:45):
I saw the individuals, I was like, oh, yeah, no,
this is not for me. I'm not ready for this,
and I kind of pulled the covers over my head
and rolled back to sleep. There was again quite a
few other instances of me waking up after a meditation,
and again this is in that in between spaces where
that's I think I'm just more susceptible to seeing these

(10:06):
different entities. For instance, a couple months ago, I had
woken up and saw being at the foot of my bed.
It was blacker than black, so you could see the
darkness of the room, but the figure itself was black
and had these gold dot lights kind of framing its body,
and that kind of disappeared. There was a couple other

(10:26):
ones where I woke up again from after my meditation
and saw like a gesture like creature with candles floating
around it, and that was just bizarre. Again, no menacing
or no negativity, just kind of observing what was there,
and then that slowly disappeared. Another one I had woken up,
and then I get at the very end of my

(10:48):
bed there was this creature. It was black like again,
blacker than black than the room, and it had these
tentacles that were kind of pouring out from its body.
And that one I felt very threatened and scared, so
I ended up taking my headphones off and throwing it
and screaming at it, and that, of course made it disappear.
And then the last kind of odd being I saw

(11:11):
in my room was again after a meditation, I had
woken up and at the foot of my bed there
was this humanoid crouched at the foot of my bed.
It was only skin and bones. It was like white, pale,
pale white, eyes glowing blue white. The hair was very straggly,

(11:32):
snow pale colored. And this felt menacing and just odd,
and I yelled at it. I said, only love and
light are allowed in this house. And it and this
is the part that just blows my mind. It got up,
It turned around, and it ran into my mirror that
is at the foot of my bed, and just got

(11:54):
smaller as it ran away. That was unlike anything else
I have seen, because normally entities that I see just
kind of slowly disappear and they're gone, but this one
turned and ran away, so that was completely bizarre and
really freaked me out. Soon after that instance, I had
actually started seeing a spiritual practitioner. She started helping me

(12:17):
with putting up boundaries and closing out my meditation sessions
so that I could protect myself more. She was kind
of saying that these entities are seeing my light and
are just more curious than anything. And after working with
her for a couple of sessions, I have not had

(12:37):
any experiences since I am curious myself of becoming a medium.
I'm thinking that that's part of my next lot in
life here, so I'm slowly working towards that. But nothing
too crazy right now. But I'm glad that I learned
to control, at least what I can feel control over,

(12:59):
putting up boundaries around myself and putting those curious entities
at bay. On the UFO side of things, nothing too
intense but lots of moving stars, so I absolutely love
the night sky, and my head pops up as soon
as I'm outside in the daytime, but mostly at night.

(13:20):
I've seen starlink I've seen satellites, I know how they move,
but the moving stars that I have seen are unlike
anything else. So you're observing the night sky and they
look like normal stars until they start to slowly move
and kind of do a little dance for you. There
was one instance when I was doing a little meditation

(13:40):
during the summer outside and I opened my eyes to
the sky and noticed one of these moving lights or
moving stars, and I kind of asked it. You know,
I'm having a hard time. I'm hoping life will get better,
and this moving star flashed at me twice, moved a
little bit, and then kind of just slowly sank back

(14:02):
into the universe. I thought it was absolutely beautiful. But
I'm always seeing those, and I'm not sure I've heard
a lot more that people are noticing them too, So
I think that's really cool. And I guess one of
my little last stories here is I can just touch
on it a bit. There's definitely more to it, but
it's just a little bit odd. My mother ended up
passing away back in February from interstitial lung disease. They

(14:26):
gave her two to five years to live, and she
ended up passing fairly quickly. After that diagnosis. But when
she was in the hospital, she was seeing her dog
had passed away, you know, many many decades ago, bounding
around her. She was having dreams of her deceased father
that was just waiting for her. There was one instance

(14:48):
when she was being transferred from Mercy Hospital to the
University of Minnesota Hospital, she started kind of channeling and
she was like me, she had the tendency to be
a medium, but she kind of squashed that and blocked
that out, and I think as she got closer to death,
that veil started to thin. So when she was in

(15:09):
this ambulance ride, she prompted the driver, she goes, hey,
your name's Andy, and your wife must be Amy, and
he's like, well, yeah, my name is Andy, but Amy
is my girlfriend, not my wife. And so then she
kind of went on to read him, saying you're gonna
have four kids. These are their names. So I thought
that was that was pretty cool that she was kind

(15:31):
of dancing with the mediumship and being able to channel
people and read people. And as she got closer to
her death, she did say that she could see the gates,
she could feel the other side. So that was very
interesting and I guess just an interesting also coincidence. She
called her own death. She said, I'm going to die
on February fifteenth, which was her father's birthday. And another

(15:55):
odd just an odd thing was that her father, being
a firstborn child, died at sixty five, and then her grandfather,
firstborn child, died of sixty at sixty five, and my
mother died at sixty five. So it's just very interesting
coincidences with her death and her lineage too. At that time,

(16:18):
I was going to the University of Minnesota for mortuary science,
so I was doing my practicum at a different funeral home,
and because of my mother's illness, I had to kind
of put that on pause and they said, you can
finish up at your mortuary. Well, the last couple of
I had to do a funeral arrangement and a committal,
and both of those ended up being my mother's. So

(16:41):
the last funeral arrangement I took on was my mother's,
and then last committal, which was either watching someone be
buried in the ground or witnessing a cremation, was my mother's.
So I got to witness my mother's cremation, and that
counted towards my schools and goals, which was quite quite
bizarre and very serendipitous. When I got to drive her

(17:04):
to the crematory by myself, it's another just kind of
little side story. I had her in the back, I
had put her in the cremation container, and I was
driving to the crematory and I could just like feel
her presence sitting next to me, and it was just
it was surreal. Of course, it was surreal because she
had just passed, you know, the day before that, and
she was just just fine before that. And I was

(17:28):
thinking to myself, man, I wish I could have a
song of ours that play, that could play, but I
didn't have my phone hooked up to the funeral coach
and it just wasn't working out. And then all of
a sudden, on the radio, it was like bam, click
a song came on that we used to listen to.
We used to drive up to Brainerd, Minnesota in the
truck and we would have this It was the tape player,

(17:48):
so we had to rewind it and play the song again,
and rewind it. And it was just those little moments
surrounding her death that kind of were serendipitous, But that
was really cool and then I guess the last part
to round up all these experiences and kind of wrap
up the story about my mother's death is it was
just a month or two after she had passed. I
was really struggling and having a hard time, and that

(18:11):
night she came to me in a dream and she literally,
in this dream took my hand and said, I'm always
with you. She hugged me and I could, like I
remember feeling it in the dream, like she was so
right there. And at the end, I said, so, mom,
you know, how is the afterlife?

Speaker 1 (18:26):
What's it like?

Speaker 2 (18:27):
And she goes, It's like a centipede, always moving, and
then that was the end of the dream. So was
that wraps up kind of all my experiences and all
my paranormal adventures so far in this life. I think
there will be more, but that's just the beginning of
all my new adventures.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
So wow, thank you for sharing that, Jesse. Of course,
I'm sorry to hear about your mother, I mean not
very recent as well.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
It was thank you.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
I appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
You know, interesting that you said that her pet came
to visit her.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
Right and multiple times soon, not just once. So she
felt her like on the bed and bounding around, she
kept saying, too, So that was really neat to hear that.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
Yeah, I've lost many pets over the years, and they
definitely do visit us.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
And I think I've always said, if someone on this
earth dies alone, then I don't believe we travel alone.
Our loved ones come for us, the same with our pets.
I think our pets come for us as well.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Absolutely, I believe that as well.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
Yes, So you started with a meditation soon after the
loss of your pet. What made you discover the gateway process?

Speaker 1 (19:35):
You know?

Speaker 2 (19:35):
And that's a funny thing too, is on my life,
I have like no governor, like I is all in
or all out. And I think when I was kind
of scrolling YouTube, it kind of clicked with me and
I'm like, oh, I remember hearing about this, like this
is how you astro project, this is how you learn
how to get out of body experiences. So I think
I just jumped right on that one and said, hey,

(19:55):
let's check it out and see what happens. And I
really saw what happened, because Wow, that was intense.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
It's definitely very interesting to be honest with. Yet I've
used it over the years to our listeners. Let me
just explain this to our listeners a minute. So Jess
is referring to the Gateway work Book is it's like
a training manual and it was created by the Munro
Institute of Applied Sciences, and it was a few years ago.
It was declassified by the CIA. It was part of

(20:22):
the Stargate files. So these files which evolve astral projection
and meditation, they're now accessible. So what I'll do is
I will put the link below this episode so for
people to visit it and try some of these interesting
techniques out now. They're kind of old. I think they're
from nineteen seventy seven. They are, so they're as old

(20:42):
as me. And the one thing I do use the most,
and the one thing I share the most is that
relievement of discomfort and pain. Because you're probably you'll find
this if you look through the workbook. But the idea
is that you say this number over and over again
and you focus on this part of the body where
you are getting and some kind of pain, and that
could be maybe a back pain or headache, two fake

(21:05):
something like that, And it's five five five one five
And I don't know how, but it works. And I've
shared this with many people, family and friends and on
social media as well, and it seems to be quite effective,
So I will put that below.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yeah, very cool.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
But I don't know if you remember, but it actually
comes with a warning on the files. It says something
along the lines of attemptingness may get undesirable or uncontrolled effects,
so right right, yeah, so be warned. And I think
it's part of several files.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Definitely, there's tons of them too, and I think they've
actually red maade some or maybe somebody has re recorded them,
but there are more.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
Two.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
Yes, it certainly makes you wondered, didn't it, because if
that came out in nineteen seventy seven, you know, what
do they have now? Because obviously they would have plenty
of time to fine tune all these techniques.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
Definitely, definitely, and I know too. I've used hemi sync,
which is also part of the gateway process that kind
of those tones that kind of sink your brain into
one and also binarial beats. That's another thing that kind
of I use when I meditate to kind of open
up my brain.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
So so trying all these different techniques and these these
strange things started to happen prior to attempting these techniques.
Did you have anything happened when you were younger?

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Uh, you know, I had, But then just you know,
again just in the waking in between stages, like I
remember seeing a couple of things when I lived in
an old farmhouse, but nothing really to kind of pinpoint.
A lot of night terrors and stuff. But I think
I have been susceptible to the other side, I would say,
but nothing as crazy as after I started that those

(22:47):
meditations in the gateway process that seemed to just bust
open the door wide open.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
So and these crystal spiders. Was that happening when you
were attempting the meditation?

Speaker 2 (22:57):
No, and that is something too, So yeah, No, that
was before all this the CIA stuff and the meditations.
So that was at a different house. And I had
been seeing random kind of entities and stuff, but nothing
so solidifying. But those spiders, though, that were something I
just and another guest of yours had seen them before too,
and I just yeah, they were gorgeous and there were
tons of them and they were just hanging from the

(23:19):
ceiling and it was beautiful. But yeah, that was before that,
so I don't know, Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
That was a.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
I think last year, I think I had her on
she was talking about crystal spiders, and I've had a
few emails since about them.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yeah, it might be different dimensions that were tapping into
or I don't know. I don't know, but I thought
that was very odd that we're seeing the same thing.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
So, and were they big or small? Can you describe
them to us?

Speaker 1 (23:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (23:44):
So they were definitely large. They're probably a foot long.
Their abdomens were like kind of hexagonal, and their legs
were just so spindily and I don't remember if I
see them kind of hanging from anything, but they were
definitely suspended from the ceiling, but just time and they
would rotate and it's kind of like an oil slick.

(24:04):
Just the colors, you know, were so vibrant and shiny,
and they were crystals. It was they were amazing and
beautiful and I was not frightened in any whatso shape
like it. They were just gorgeous.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
So that's interesting. And did they interact with you all?

Speaker 1 (24:19):
No, they were just there.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
They were just always have been there, like I said,
kind of in between two different worlds and they were
at different heights, but they weren't They weren't low enough
to touch me, so they were like high enough even
if I reached my hand up in the bed, I
wouldn't have touched them. But they were all on the ceiling.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
So yeah, I don't know crystal spiders. If anyone else
out there was experienced something along the lines of what
Jesse has getting contact and interest in these crystal spiders.
Are you still involved in the mortuary business.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
I am. I'm just getting really going in it here.
So I got my internship and I am ready to roll.
And I'm thinking becoming a medium and being a mortician
is kind of come into play, come into fruition at
some point, like the worlds are going to collide, and
I think it's going to be pretty magnificent. But I'm
just taking it one step at a time right now.

(25:13):
But yes, I am in the in the business, and
I absolutely adore it.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
Of course, some people can look at it as being
creepy and scary and not something that they don't want
to get involved in. But I think that's just the
attitude towards death, isn't it right?

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Exactly exactly, And we're treating families, we're honoring families, and
I loved ones. So it's more than just about death,
you know, it's comforting the family and helping them through
the process and grieving, and it's a lot, and it's heavy,
but it's very important and I'm glad to be a
part of the business and helping families and you know.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
Making sure everything's in order and make it as nice
as possible. Really exactly because my wife is Buddhist and
a few years ago when her grandmother died, had a funeral, okay,
and the funerals they tend to go on for days.
It was three days. It actually went on for amazing
and it certainly gave me an insight into the Buddhist

(26:10):
side of funerals and the preparation and all that, because
they do believe that for several days after someone dies
is that they're pretty much still wandering around, right, they
haven't gone anywhere yet. It was unusual because there's certain
things you do with the body and the blessings and
all that. It's interesting, yes, definitely.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Yeah, those are the most beautiful ones that we that
we do. We don't do many of them, but when
we do, I adore and I try to get on
those services because they are amazing.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
Oh, so you do them as well.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Oh yeah, yeah, I mean we take care of you
any denomination that comes to us. So yeah, it's an honor.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
It is fascinating the two worlds between the mortuary business
and the mediumship do ever cross paths, which I'm sure
they will do. Yeah, And there's a definite link. So
if you do experience anything else, you definitely you know,
let us know.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
I will definitely do that.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Nick. Yes, Jesse, I.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
Really appreciate you coming on and sharing that for our listeners.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Thank you, Thank you for having me. It was a
wonderful time.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
Was wonderful to meet you. Okay, please keep in contact
and we will speak soon. And enjoyed the rest of your.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
Day, we'll do.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Enjoy your night and we'll talk to you soon.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
Okay, bye for now, Jesse.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Take care oobyeo.

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Speaker 3 (28:26):
Hello Sawmeil, Welcome to the podcast.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
Hello Nick, thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
You are more than welcome. And you are coming to
us from nu Chik in India.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
Yes, it's Synassic City. It's about one hundred and eighty
kilometers in northeast of Mumbai.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
Oh, yes, we all know Mumbai. Wonderful great stuff. Okay, now,
Sawmel you have some experiences that you're going to be
sharing with us. Would you like to start the beginning please, sir?

Speaker 1 (28:57):
Sure. The first experience I had was when I visited
my mother in law's place. As I've said, it is
a very small village called Carnderi, located near a damn
named Gerna, which is about one hundred kilometers or so

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from Nasak City. It is a very remote area, hardly
fifteen huts in the village in all, absolutely nothing around
except for forests and the lake. Previous to that, I
had visited several times, but this time I decided. I

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don't know what made me decide, but I decided to
sleep out in the open at night, just outside the house.
But it's an open area and it was a normal night.
The sky above the Milky Way is very visible because
of the remoteness of the place, and I was to

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say awake for about one am and then slowly drifted
into sleep. Sometime around two twenty or two thirty am,
I was startled out of my sleep by something. I
don't know what it was with something made me wake
up suddenly, and I woke up, sat on the bed

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the court actually it was an iron court, and I
just kept looking around. I thought at first it was
some wide animal because the place is known for its
wolves and the odd leopard or so, but they rarely
come to come near humans or human settlements. But still

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I looked around, I could see nothing. Suddenly I looked
skyward and I could barely make out, barely, very barely
make out two shapes, circular shapes. The one that was
closer to me was about say, fifty feet in diameter,

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and the other one, which was a bit behind it,
that appeared to be smaller in size, say about thirty
feet in diameter. And there was hardly any light emanating
from them, but I could make out against the stars,
against the milky way, that there was something there. And

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first of all, I refused to believe that this is something.
I don't know what I could describe it as, but
it was my first UFO experience, so I was speechless.
And then those two crafts stayed there for about two

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three minutes, just hanging there. Nothing, no sound, nothing, and
I was just looking at them. Then they moved away.
They went towards the dam over the water. They came
back as if to show that, yes, we know that

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you can see us. This went on for about twenty
thirty seconds. I collected myself enough to get up from
the court and walk towards it. But as I used
to go forward, they used to back off, as if
maintaining some sort of a distance between us. Then as

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I kept walking, I was just wondering, is this for real?
Am I really seeing all this? And the next question
was obviously why me? I mean, I'm a very average
regular person I have I'm not a scientist or associated

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with any government agency or anything for that matter. So
the obvious question was why me? Why why are they
showing themselves to me? As I kept wondering, somehow I
found myself inside their craft. One moment I was on
the ground, next moment I was in the craft, and

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the it was alive or I don't know how to
describe it. The beings inside the craft were a part
of the craft. They had minimal facial features. You could
make out the eyes, the nose is sort of the
nose structure, the mouth. But they never communicated with me.

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I mean, they never spoke with me. And the one
who was in charge of controling the craft and its propulsion,
he just used to touch the whatever part was there
in front of him the craft, and he could control

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the movement back and forth, sideways, whatever whichever way he
wanted to the other being was doing something else. It
was so simple. There was no high tech machinery or
equipment or anything, just a turquoise colored interior. The beings

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were part of the craft. I could see them walking around,
but they and their craft were one, and this was
hardly for a few seconds or so. Next moment, again
I am back on the ground, as if nothing has happened.
It was all dream and all this time the dogs

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on the ground were going crazy. When I saw myself
found myself back on the ground, I think two three
of them came up close to me, sniffed around a lot,
and then went away. I was too stunned to sleep.
I spent the whole night wondering what had happened with me,

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Why it had happened to me. I had absolutely no explanation,
because there was no reason for them to approach me
in that manner. I decided to revealed this to both
of my daughters, and yes, my elder daughter was more

(35:54):
excited since she was about thirteen or fourteen years old
that time. The younger one was six years younger, so
she wasn't that interested. But I told him about it,
and then the next night we decided to all sleep outside.

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My mother in law and my wife decided that no,
this is something I don't know. They had some they
had their reservations, so they decided to sleep inside, and
my younger daughter joined them. My elder daughter and I
we slept outside the next night. The next night we

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kept waiting for them, but those craft didn't appear. Early
in the morning, say around four am or so, my
daughter shook me awake and he said, Papa, they're here.
I got up immediately. I scanned the skies about. I

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couldn't see anything. She was staring at a particular area
in the sky. I tried to look there, but it
was pitch black. Yes, like last night. I could make
out that there is some circular shape and I don't know,
just to acknowledge us of what. The bigger craft blinked

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turquoise blue, and both the craft vanished over the lake.
And now I don't know whether they went inside the
lake into the water, or whether they went up into
the sky because there was nothing, absolutely nothing, no lights,
nothing that I could see, and all around it was

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pitch black except for the milky way and the straws.
So that was my first experience. Then after that, also
I visited that place since my mother in law of
stays there. I regularly used to is it, but there
was absolutely no contact whatsoever. Then in April twenty twenty one,

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I suffered a stroke, a hemiplegic stroke, and my wife
took me to the hospital immediately. I was a lot
of tests to were run, and that night, at around
I think it was around midnight twelve am, I could
see there were four nurses in the ICO, in the

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intensive KA unit. They were moving around checking on all
the patients. Suddenly I was surrounded by some sort of
a bubble. There was nothing anomalous about the bubble. I
could breathe normally, there was no smell, nothing, but I

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could see that there is some sort of a bubble
and was a magenta colored bubble, and inside that bubble
were three beams. They had on magenta colored robes. There
was a cowl on the head. None of their body

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parts were visible, and they were at the beginning. They
were at the foot of the bed and they were
looking at me, sort of studying me or scanning me,
I don't know. Then one of them remained at the
foot of the bed while the other two moved up
towards my head, and I was watching all this in

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real time. The nurses were hardly twelve feet maybe away
from me. They were talking among themselves. They had absolutely
no idea what was happening right in front of them.
Maybe they weren't visible to them or whatever. Those two

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beings who were at my head, they had some sort
of a machine with them. It was a gray colored machine.
I have absolutely no idea what it was. But once
they started whatever procedure they were doing, I could feel
something being sucked out of my head. Not actually, but

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the feeling was there. There was no way I could speak,
There was no way I could move, even with my
good hand the right side of my body. It was
as if I was completely paralyzed, but my brain was
registering everything that was going on around me. That night,

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they were with me for about thirty minutes from what
I could see on the wall club in front of me,
and just as they had appeared, they disappear without saying anything,
no communication at all, not from their side, and I
couldn't say anything. I couldn't do anything, so there was

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no way I could communicate with them. I was literally
drifting in and out of consciousness for the first three
days that I was admitted. So again my first reaction was, no,
this is not happening. I am hallucinating because obviously a
part of my brain was dead, so I don't know

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what was happening, but I could see it, but I
was not ready to accept it or believe it. The
second night, they reappeared at about somewhere past midnight, the
same three beings, the same bubble, and wearing the same

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magenta colored robes. I tried my at most to observe
or get a look at their faces or their bodies,
but there was nothing visible. It was as if a
dark veil was covering them, I mean, or they didn't
want to show themselves. Maybe it was because they might

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be completely different from what we humans are. And again, similarly,
one of them stayed at the foot of the bed
while the other two came towards my head. Again that machine,
gray colored machine. It was an oval shaped machine. Nothing.
They didn't attach anything to me, They didn't do anything.

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Just whenever they started their procedure, it felt as if
something is being pulled out of my head, sucked out
of my head. And this went on for about four days.
On the fourth day, the doctor who was in charge
of me, or looking after me, he came over in

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the evening. It was his evening round, and I got
up and sat in the bed. I don't know how
I did it. The doctor was surprised. He said, Sam,
will take it easy. You're still not out of danger.
But I could see the look on his face, the
look on my wife's face. They were completely surprised. And

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he had a bit of a talk with me. He
explained whatever had happened. He told me that I was
swimming in and out of consciousness for the past three
or four days, and this was the first time that
he was talking to me. He asked me whether I
was able to comprehend everything. I said, yes, I can

(44:01):
understand one hundred percent of what you have said and
what you are saying to me right now. That time,
he said, look, prepare yourself mentally for a prolonged period
of bedridden rest. I asked him, doctor, prolonged means how

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long do you think I'll have to do it. He
said a minimum of eight to nine months. And he
also said that I had a chat with my other
doctors a neurosurgeon also, and we were of the opinion
that you might need ventilator support. But here we are.

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I mean, you're talking to me normally. There is a
slight slur in your speech, which is normal for a stroke. Patient.
But you're sitting up in bed. I'm talking to you.
So the rate of recovery that you are showing is exceptional.

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But still I would suggest prepare yourself mentally for a
prolonged rest. You cannot go to work, you cannot do anything.
You will need help for everything that you do for
your daily activities. Everything. I said, okay, fine. The next
morning he came for a morning round the visit and

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I don't know he just it occurred to him. He said, Samill,
can you do me a favor. I said, yes, get
off the bed. Just get off and try to stand.
I said, okay, since my right side was fine, I
got off the right side of the bed. I managed
to stand up. Yes, my left leg was very weak,

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but I could sat. He called an nurses. He said,
get the physio therapists. Start a caesio. That's all he said.
That was my first day of physiotherapy. I walked the
whole floor of the hospital with the help of a walker.

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I think I did this for about ten minutes or so,
and then I was told to rest. That night, again
I was visited by those three beings. This time there
was no machine, just the three of them in that
cloud in that bubble, and they were just observing me

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for about five to ten minutes. Again no communication whatsoever
between us, and they disappeared. I never could make out
how they arrived in the ICU or how they left
without anyone seeing anything unseemly or unnatural over there. And

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at any given time, there were at least two to
three nurses and about seven to eight patients in the
ico along with me, but nobody showed any how should
I put in, they saw nothing unnatural. They were just

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going about their duties, the patients who were lying in
their beds. That was very surprising to me. I don't know, since,
as I said before, I'm a very average person. I
couldn't explain to myself or I couldn't understand how and
why all of this was happening to me. Then, since

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I was responding very well to the physiotherapy, I got
discharged from the hospital on the ninth day from the
day I was admitted. I walked out of the hospital
without the help of a walker on my feet. I
came back home and my parents, who stay about five

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hundred miles away, they called up and said that it
is better you come and stay with us for a
month or so till you can till you get better.
I said, fine, I'll come. My elder daughter took me
to their place by car we had rented a cart,

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and over there then. I think it was the third
of fourth night I was sleeping because of this stroke
was I had a lot of problems controlling my bladder,
so I used to wake up a couple of times

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at least every night, just to go to the washroom.
And during one such time, as I was going to
the washroom, I saw these three beings again, five hundred
miles away in a completely strange different place. I don't

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know how they showed up there, but they were there.
And the first two three nights at my parents' place
were very harrowing for me physically because it was a
new place. I couldn't get my bearings right. I used
to fall down a lot while walking. But on the

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fourth night, these being showed up again and again nothing,
no communication at all, looking at me, But this time
the machine was back with them. I came back from
the washroom, they were there at the bedside. I just
lay down on the bed. One of them again came

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and stood at the foot of the bed, the other
two remained at the head and they used that machine.
They did whatever they were doing and left. I stayed
at my parents' place for a month. They used to
show up once every week, so they showed up there

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four times during my stay. I returned after a month
to Nasig, my home city, and I actually resumed my work.
My job. The doctors had advised me to not travel

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on my own single handedly. I know this is wrong,
but I was able to get to my office on
my two wheeler, on my scooter. I was able to
get back home without incident. And the The problem was

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that during one such one day, the doctor who was
who had been treating me in Nasig, he saw me
on the scooter. He called me up about five ten
minutes later, he said, Samuel, are you driving a two wheeler?
I said, yes, I am. He said I had warned

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you not to. I said, yes, sir, I agree, you
did warn me. But then I have no other option.
If I don't work, I'm not going to earn and
no company or no firm is going to wait for
me for say even a month, So there is I

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have to go to work. He said, you come to
my clinic after your office hours will talk. I went
to his clinic in the evening. He had a look
at me again. He repeated what he had said to
me in the hospital in front of my wife. He said, look,

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I had said that it was our collective opinion that
you need bed rests of a minimum of eight to
nine months. But somehow you are in front of me.
I have seen you riding a two wheeler negotiating traffic,

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and I don't know what to make of it, but
if you can do it properly, safely, go ahead. Keep
your speed to the absolute minimum, because your reflexes are
not good. You wouldn't want yourself and the other people

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on the road to be in danger because of you.
I said, yes, I agree. I used to ride my
scooter at barely twenty five to thirty kilometers per hour,
keeping on the extreme left, the slowest lane, but I
did it every day.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
Again.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
After a month, month of I think months or so,
these beings visited me again, just to check on me.
No machine, nothing, in the middle of the night. Again.
I never found out how they could come inside go

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out without opening any door, or I mean, without physically
doing anything, but they were there. They used to They
used to leave, They used to look at me. There
was no communication whatsoever. Again, this happened for about three times,

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I think, after I returned from my parents' place, and
then gone nothing. No more visits, no more appearances. It
was as if their work was done. Later on, I
read somewhere that there are also some beings called as

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shadow beings. The description that was put up was they
appear as totally black, and I saw two of them
around my house into my courtyard were they never came inside.
I saw them in the courtyard quite a few times,
but only during the night. Yes, this point, I would

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like to emphasize, all of these beings all always appeared
at nighttime, as if the sunlight affected them or kept
them away, kept them hidden. Each and every one of
them only appeared during nighttime. And these shadow people also,

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I see them even now now in the sense I'm
able to see them now. Also, they are about eight
feet tall. They walk about in the courtyard, but if
I try to approach them, they vanished. They move away.

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They are very fast, they go away. I have a dog,
a German shepherd. He gets very hegitated when he sees them.
He literally bursts out of the door into the courtyard
after them. None of the other people in the house,

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my wife or my daughter, nobody is able to see them.
But the dog sees them. I see them again. There
is absolutely no communication between us. They are just there.
I don't know why they are there, because they have
never revealed anything, but they are there. Sometimes I wonder

(56:23):
if I'm seeing things, but I know since the dog
sees it, I know they're there. The way he gets educated,
the way he barks and runs after them, I know
they are there. But nothing beyond that, nothing, no communication.
So right now, those two beings are there, the shadow people,

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as I have known them to be. Let's see what happens,
if anything develops further. But that is about it for
my experiences of these non human beings and that one
experience with their craft.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
Thank you for sharing that so well. You're welcome, Very
very interesting that several times that you had interactions with
these beings. Yes, did you ever you said they never
communicated with you. Did you ever try and speak to
them at all?

Speaker 1 (57:22):
Yes? I did. I mean during the first contact at
my mother in law's place, when I was inside their craft,
I tried to ask them, who are you? Why are
you here? Why am I over here? But I got
no reply. I they zero communication.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
And the beings that you saw in the craft, were
they completely dressed the same as the ones you saw
in the hospital. No, no, no, they were completely different,
but you feel they were the same.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
And Nick, Actually I don't know for sure, because in
the craft I could see their hands, their their feet,
their legs. Their facial features were similar to us. Even
their hands and feet were similar to us. But there
was no distinctive how should I put it. I could

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not make out their skin or whatever, their clothes or apparel.
They were a part of the craft. The craft was
turquoise colored from inside, and they were the same. I
could make out their movements, but they were no different
from the craft.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
Were they kind of completely blended in with everything?

Speaker 1 (58:41):
Yes, exactly, that's the word.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
So what was the atmosphere inside the craft?

Speaker 1 (58:48):
Very calm, absolutely peaceful, no aggression, no friendship. Also, no friendliness.
It was as if they were going up about the business.
I was there as a visitor. I was hardly there
for about ten seconds or so, and that is what

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I think, and then I was back on the ground.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
Do you recall inside the craft? Was it light in air,
was it dark?

Speaker 1 (59:16):
And does it feel like it was completely illuminated? Every
part of the craft was illuminated. And as I said,
when I was on the ground looking upwards, it seemed
as if the craft was about fifty feet in diameter,
but inside you could see long pathways sort of channels.

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There were different sections like it was as if it
was ten times bigger from the inside than what was
visible from on the outside.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
And can you describe what the shape of it was
from the outside.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
From the outside, it it was like a disk, but
not your typical UFO flying disc. It was like a pancake,
but a very thick one, about say twenty feet thick
and fifty feet in diameter.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
On the object, was there any lines on the outside?

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
None? But on the inside it was fully illuminated. The
only lights I saw was on the second night when
I was outside with my elder daughter. They just blinked
once the turquoise lights as if to show, yes, we
acknowledge you, we know you can see us, and they

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Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
I might get you to, if it's possible, maybe to
do a little drawing of the object when you saw it,
you know, around around the dam. And what I'll do
is I'll put that on the website.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
If that's yes. I personally can't use my left hand.
I'm a left hander and unfortunately my left side has
been affected by this stroke. So I can ask my
doctor to do it for me. Will that be okay?

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
Oh, that'll be just fine, of course.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
But to be honest with your when it comes to
your speech, I've had family members that have had strokes
over the years. Your speech is very good.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
Yes, that's what the doctor's even told me it is unnatural.
He said, can I speak in my native tongue for
a few moments, I'll translate it for you later.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
Yep, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
The exact words he used was sol tomiji pragatida the unbelievable.
That translated as so mil The kind of progress that
you are showing and you have shown, is unbelievable. I
can't explain it in science, but it is there in

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front of it, It is before me obviously.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
The beings that visited you, yes, they helped in some way.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
Oh yes, they played a very big part in my
recovery and in helping me get back on my feet.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
Have you ever thought about why they did it?

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
I think about it every single day. Literally drives me crazy.
Why me? What's so special?

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
Is there anything in your past which you remember as
a child, or anything strange that may be connected to
all this?

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
Nothing? There has been nothing in my childhood. I'll give
you a little background as it is. We Indians are
very religious, white Orthodox, and my family was no different.
So anything that is unnatural or supernatural, we tend to
attribute it either to a god or a ghost or

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a demon.

Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
Well, of course, India is no stranger to flying objects.
There is a lot of UFO sightings that occur in India. Yes, yes,
and also if you look back, it's written in Sanskrit
with the manners we've got listeners in India. We do
have a lot of listeners in India. So you know,
if there's anyone else out there which has experienced anything

(01:04:28):
along the lines of what Sawmill has do, get in contact.
We do want to hear from you and Sawmill. Was
this a subject you've always been interested in or is
this this interest came about after your experiences?

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
Ever since I can remember, right from my childhood, I
have always been interested in this in UFOs. There is
this one line. I think it has been said by
doctor Carl Sagan that the fact that we are alone

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in the universe is as scary as the fact that
we might not be.

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
Absolutely Yeah, he couldn't put it better himself. Yes, this
obviously still bugs you, not knowing why this happened. Yes, Yes,
have you tried researching it? Have you tried finding that
if there's any similar stories around the location in India?

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
I tried researching first in books. I couldn't get much,
so I went to the internet. I dug up around
a few places. I found out that the UFO phenomenon
is quite prevalent in the border areas of the Himalayas

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near Nepal Tibet, and recently I found out that in
South India are also this phenomenon is being observed.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
It's very widespread. Biggest problem which is you know something
that you didn't mention earlier. In a lot of countries,
a lot of it gets put down to folklore, ghosts
or demons, So a lot of time there's you know,
there's not much connection when it comes to just scientific
UFO sightings. It's always given given a label. Yes, and

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you're still seeing these shadow people around the courtyard.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Yes, right now, those are the only beings that I
am able to see. The other two have stopped contact
or stopped appearing.

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
They came to visit you know when you were sick.
Do you think possibly that they might return in any way?

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
I hope they do. I really hope they will.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
Possibly a future routine checkup.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
Yes, it's a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
Like a lot of these these encounters, there's so many
questions left unanswered for you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
Right the most important question is why me? What have
I done?

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
Or what.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
May I be doing in the future that you are
paying so much attention to me.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
I think a lot of people ask the same question.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
Why may right?

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
It could be as simple as they visited you, so
you'd share your account and then other people will share theirs.
It could be just as simple as that. Yes, absolutely, well,
so mil that is absolutely fascinating.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
Uh, Nick, Can I just say one thing?

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
Be my guest?

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
Ah. In fact, I would like to thank you because
this is the first time ever in my life that
somebody has listened to me without being judgmental of making
fun of me.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
Well, that's why I started the show, so people have
a place to come and share this on this podcast.
Don't judge people. I don't try and pick holes in
someone's account. I'm not here to make fun of anyone.
It's simply a place to sit down and share what
you're experienced, and you know, sometimes these experience can be
mind blowing. You are another guest that have come on

(01:08:17):
and shared and you know, we appreciate the fact that
you have done. Thank you, and in turn other people
will listen to you. Especially in India, people will listen
and they go you know, maybe I'd like to share
my account now?

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
Yes, I do. Hope they do great.

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
Stuff, saw Mail, Sawmill, I really appreciate you coming on
and sharing this, you know, this fascinating encounter with us.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
Yes, and Nick, thank you so much for broarding me
this platform.

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
You're more than welcome.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
Yes, I hope they listen to it. I hope they
come forward and talk to you about their experiences.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
Absolutely. Yeah, me too. That's what it's all about. You know,
we have one person on and then that brings other
people in. Yes, people get their confidence up and share
their experiences. You enjoy the rest of your day, Take
care and we will speak soon, sir.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
Yes, thank you you do, Okay, bye for now. Bye.

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
Well, that is all for this episode. Keep updated and
connected with a show on x, Facebook and Instagram. And
if you have an encounter that you'd like to share
on the podcast, you can email me at UFO Chronicles
at gmail dot com, or you can reach out to
me via the contact page on my website UFO Chronicles

(01:09:31):
podcast dot com. A big thank you to Jesse and
Sawmil for sharing tonight, and thank you all for listening.
I will be back next week. Till then, stay safe
and keep watching the skies. Goodbye.

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
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