Ep.361 The Auchtertool Encounter

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You'll be away five seventeen. Do you want to report
a UFO hanging in?

Speaker 2 (00:05):
We don't want.

Speaker 1 (00:06):
To report every thirty one.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Do you wish to report a.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
UFO over hey, we want to one of.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Those areas thirty one.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Do you wish to find a report of any kind
of it?

Speaker 4 (00:18):
I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds, time areas
thirty one me neither there were self.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
If it was anybody above us to pass us, Like
thirty seconds ago, we were sending one top of golf negative, okay,
OFFI the UFO. Yeah, it's murder ten nine o'clock. Yes,
I'll just passed over.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
I go. I don't know what it was.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
But it's from at least to three thousand feet above us.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
See, I passed out over the top of US ninety
one one. You just called up to me before they're
after staying the airplanes. He is.

Speaker 4 (01:02):
Where to God on an unidentified object every Liberty four
call or calm on an unidentified flying object.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share
their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had
an encounter, I would like to be on the show.
You can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com.

(01:47):
Hello everyone, and welcome to the podcast. How are you
all doing this week? I am Nick Hunter and this
is the UFO Chronicles podcast. Tonight, we're in Scotland to
meet Nicola and she'll be sharing her exppearances that began
as a child with strange out of the body sensations,
distorted perceptions, and a hand that grabbed her awake out

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of grandmother's house. As she grew older, the activity continued,
including a violent hair pulling incident during a sleepover and
a moment of spoken anger that seemed to echo forward
into a real car crash. In the mid nineties, Nicola
and her sister witnessed something that changed everything. A silent,
metallic sphere hovered in broad daylight over a field near

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their home in Octatur. It moved in ways that didn't
seem to make sense, and what happened next left a
last remark on both sisters and a terrifying feeling that
something intelligent was behind it. Nicola is up next, but first,
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with the show. Hello Nichol, Welcome to the podcast.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Hi Nick, how are you?

Speaker 2 (03:24):
I am wonderful, thank you, thank you for joining us today.
And you're calling from Scotland.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yes I am. I'm calling from.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
fIF wonderful part of the world. I must submit. Okay,
now you have some experiences to share with us. Would
you like to start the beginning please, ma'am.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
Yes, yes, of course, thank you. Yeah, this is one
of my very first things. Actually, So, I didn't have
lots happen when I was young, but what did happen
it was quite impactful and I couldn't ignore it. So
I remember being about so it must have been around
Primary five or six, and we were staying in a

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house in a time called KIRKODDI That's where I'm from,
and I remember it was so brief. It wasn't a
big it didn't happen many times. It was so brief,
and I still find it hard to articulate what happened,
but I sometimes heard it's through podcasts. That I've heard

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people refer to that Alice in Wonder syndrome. I'm not
sure if I've heard people talking about that, but I
think I've heard one person who described it perfectly. So.
I remember lying in bed and my whole face felt
too big for me, and I remember trying to explain

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it to my mum the next day and I couldn't.
I still find it really difficult to do that. I
felt like my skin was wrong for me, and that
feeling just it stayed with me. I could still feel
it in my face that I felt like my mouth
was too big for me. I felt like my mouth

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was taking up the whole of the walls in the room,
and it was really uncomfortable. And it was in that
space when you're just drifting off to sleep. And I
don't know if it was in this house, but this
is where I felt myself leave my body. I felt myself.
I'm in bed and I feel myself kind of. I

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didn't drift up. I found myself so close to the
ceiling that I felt my face tilt back because I
thought the jaggy you know, the Arctics though jagging the eighties,
I guess ceilings. I felt the jaggy stuff. I thought
the jaggy stuff was going to jag my face and

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I remember tilting my face back and then just bang,
I'm back. But I do remember other times where I
woke up and I was so sure that I could fly.
I was so sure that I remember standing at the
top of the stairs before school and I just had

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that dream where I was outside and I was flying
round the cul de sac. I was looking at things
I shouldn't have been able to see. That could be
a dream, I don't know, but when I woke up
it was so vivid. I remember holding on to the
top of the stairs, thinking, I think I could do
it if I just take one leap. I believe I

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could do it. And then you know, I didn't do it.
I walked down the stairs like a normal child, but
I felt like I could take that leap. I felt
like I could almost let myself go into the air.
It was almost like I had that little ability to
go into fly mode. So, yeah, that was one of

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one of my really early things. So there was the yeah,
the outer body kind of thing. It's not a lot,
but it did sit in my mind. It's always stayed there.
The thing that happened after that, so it would be
a few years after I was staying and again in
Quakaudia and my gran's house, and I didn't stay in

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this house much. It really I didn't feel good in
this house. It felt fine downstairs, but it didn't upstairs.
It was a terrace house. It had in the garden
it had you know, the old bombshelters with corrugated sheep
sort of arched over. It still had that in the garden.

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Some of the gardens still had them. And it was
just a really it wasn't super old. I think it
must have been bill obviously pre war, but maybe not
long before that. So it was like a three bedroom house.
You walk in the house, there's a living room, a hall,

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the bathroom, then a kitchen, and upstairs is three bedrooms.
And it had a loft with a glass cover. They
really scare me, you know, the glass covers. I guess
it's so you get extra light into the hall. But
this upstairs, I couldn't get past a certain step up there.
It was so creepy. So this one night, my sister

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and I were maybe about two years between us, if that,
I think, we stayed in my grand's room so this
front room, it had a street light right outside, which
was novel. I didn't stay somewhere with a street light
like that. So the light was there. It was this
orange gamberry light. It was kind of comforting. We were

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in these single bed side by side, and there was
this really old walnut furniture, a big wardrobe of shiny,
gorgeous walnut and dress. It was very pretty. And I
had all my granny's fur coats inside the wardrobe. And

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the two beds are, you know, facing the window, with
I don't know, a table or something in the middle,
and two So my sister slept on the bed closest
to the door when you walk in. I slept on
the bed closest the wall, the furthest wall, and there
was a cupboard there that she didn't have the key for.

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She says, she didn't have the key for so nobody
used it. That was her mother's house. She grew up
in that house, so she lived there her whole life.
This wardrobe, she said, just wasn't used. And my bed
was about a meter away from this door. So Lana
and I, my sister, we were we were scared. We

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were always creeped out, always were. You know, we were
always jumping into each other's beds and nick or you awake, Lanner,
you awake, kind of thing. I'm sure people that share
bedrooms know that exact feeling when you're scared at night
is such comfort to have a sibling beside you to
be scared with. So I'm lying in this bed and

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I woke up. I'm lying flat on the bed, and
I woke up with a hand. It clearly felt like
a hand, and it grabbed my thigh and it grabbed
my thigh to a place where it felt it was
too high. I remember being it woke me up and

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it felt so sharp, it felt like something the hand.
I'm doing it now with my hand, so I'm trying.
I'm trying to explain this. So I'm lying down in
the bed, and it felt like whoever's hand it was
was standing facing me, so you know, the pinky finger
was closer to the bottom of my leg, thumb higher,

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and it felt like it dug into my thigh and
I could be I woke up petrified to move, to breathe,
to do anything. I stayed awake all night until the
daytime came, and I never ever stayed in her house again,
and that feeling was so clear, and I was in

(11:17):
a dead sleep, and I'm so certain of this. I
must have been around perhaps I had a sister who
was just born, so maybe about nine. And this hand
it was so clear. I can remember the digging in
of the hand now, and it grabbed my thigh so tight,

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and it didn't feel kind. If that was a granny
or a granddad that used to live in that house,
they weren't happy because that was not a nice feeling.
It was a grab and then nothing. So that was
the hand. Generally sleeping, I was petrified, and I don't

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know what of I've heard the earlier memories than those events,
and I just remember being petrified in bed, so scared
of something in the dark. And I can't tell you
if I saw anything. Nothing happened, but I was petrified
for years and years inside my bed. And other people

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don't know what I'm talking about. When you're under your
doovy cover and you're trying not to breed and you're pacing,
you're breathing, and you're trying to act like you don't
know that they know that, you know, if that makes
any sense. So I spent a lot of time in
that state growing up. There was one thing, actually, this

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is a really really scary thing that happened. This is
when I started high school. So I had a friend
that lived in a village called Kinghorn. It's k i
n g h o r N and it's a little
village just outside the town and it's really creepy. It's

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got walls. It's a coastal town. It's got little harbor.
I mean a lot everything around here is really coastal.
So Kinghorn they had just to try and set a scene.
Kinghorn is quite old. There are sort of ghost stories
about speaky tales. It's a bit of a creepy little place.

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It's really old. There's walls still there now, and they
are the construction of the walls there. They're high, like
six foot high stone walls, and on the tops they
have broken glass all sticking out the tops. That must
be their form of security for back then. And the
walls are still like that. Some of them are still

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like that. So this house was very in keeping with
these walls. So you walked in this house and you
walked into the middle level of the house and you
could go downstairs, which looked straight out onto the water,
and if you went down some steps outside there was

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a beach. They had their own private beach there. It
sounds fancier than it is. It was just those little
houses in coastal towns that are mishmashed together and they're
all squished. It was kind of like that. So it
had this little bit of beach underneath. You came back
up to the middle floor and then you go up
again and that was the top floor. So we slept

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in her bedroom obviously, so I was there. I was
to have a sleepover, and we were sitting on her floor.
She didn't have a big room. It was you walk
in the room. It was kind of a rectangular room
with a wardrobe at the very end, a window to
the right, and her bed was to the right behind

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the door, a single bed. It wasn't a big room.
So we're sitting on the carpet in front of the
wardrobe doors. The wardrobe doors were open. This was a
wardrobe that had drawers underneath. I can't remember if it
was one or two, but the doors were shorter than
the length of the wardrobe. So the doors are sitting
open and we had this wax we were playing with

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like melted whacks and we're rolling it into balls and shapes,
and right beside us is the wardrobe doors, and we
were so close that I don't know how the wardrobe
doors didn't hit us, but both the doors slammed with
force at the very same time right beside us, and

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our froze. And I looked at my friend, Kerry, she
was called. I looked at my friend, and she looked
at me back and said, you just get up, act
like it didn't happen. And I followed her leader and
we got up out of the room. So in that
and I'm thinking, this isn't she needs had this happen before.

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This is like a thing. So I was really scared
to sleep in this room this night. I was so afraid.
So it comes to bedtime and we didn't play in
that room again. We went outside, we went to the beach,
we played outside, we didn't go back into the room.
So it comes to bedtime and we were popping and tailing.

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So that's you know, a pillow at either end, and
we're just small, so we were comfortable. So Kerry is
at the top of the bed with the walls around her,
which was very envious of. She had the safety of
these walls around her head. But for me, I had
the wardrobe at my head. It was the closest thing.

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So the windows, you know, to the side of me,
on my left because I'm facing her, and the wardrobe
is behind me slightly to the right. And we fell
asleep when it seemed fine, but then something I felt

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something rip my hair out. It actually pulled my hair out.
I jumped up or screamed. We put the lights on
and there was hair on the pillow. My hair must
have been just you know, sitting naturally long over the pillow.
It took me until I was about thirty plus to

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sleep without tucking my hair down into my pillow or
down my neck because it impacted me so much. I
was petrified after that. So yeah, that was the Kinghorn story.
So there was. I don't know which one of these
came first, but I'll get the smaller one out the

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way before I get into the UFO one because I
might talk a bit about that. So I feel like
this might have been after It was around the time.
It was the nineties. I had a boyfriend in the village.
I lived in a village Octor two, which is three
miles outside Cordy, so we'd move by that point and

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Octor two is a very boring mile long village with
nothing apart from a nursing home and at the time
a little pub, so you kind of had to make
your own fun. So I'm with people out in the
street and there's this boyfriend going past who I had
broken up with, and he stopped in his car and

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he's like, you know, chating, being cheeky, and he's talking
to me. My best friend and her boyfriend he's in
the car, and he's got a car full of boys.
You know, they're eighteen, they're just driving kind of thing.
And we didn't part on good terms, so I was

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feeling bitter. So when they stopped, you know, I didn't speak.
They drove away, and I'm not proud of what I said,
but out loud, I said, I hope he crashes that car.
And I've been so careful with my words ever since,
because we were not even at the bottom of the

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village and ambulances, three ambulances go past us, and my
stomach dropped and I thought, no, that, no, that can't be.
And yeah, they crashed the car, and some of them
had to be I can't remember if they were cut out,

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but it was a very bad crash their road where
we lived. The road it's the BE nine two five.
It's very twisty, windy, fun road, but that also means
it's very dangerous and there's been quite a lot of
fatality on that road. Where they crashed was the exact
same spot. Almost a year after, four young men were killed, sadly,

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right on the same bend, and they they were hurt.
There was one one of the guys in the car,
you know, that was with the guy I had been seeing.
He was left very physically hurt. He was crippled afterwards.
He found it very difficult to get about. So it

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was a serious crash, and that was a heavy thing
for me to live with, believing that I had caused
that crash. It still sits with me now, so I'm
very careful with my words, and I do use that
instance as an example to my kith to say, you know,
you've got more power than you realize, because I do

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believe I made that happen. Maybe it was a bit
of his immaturity cost that crash too, but I certainly
won't be cursing anyone again, So I think we'll get
into the UFO one, right. So I'm living in the
village in Octar two and I'm from a big family.

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I'm the oldest of five children. There's ten years between
myself and my youngest sister. There's four girls and it
goes two girls, one boy, two girls. So my mum
and dad were always out doing things with the dogs.
They had the younger kids with them, you know, Me
and my sister, we were teenagers. This must have been

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about I really can't remember the year, but I feel
like I was about fifteen sixteen, so that must have
been about nineteen. My birthday is Christmas Day, nineteen eighty,
so it's easy for me to count, so I'm not

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very good with numbers. So that would have been about
nineteen nineteen ninety six if I was fifteen through that year,
something like that. So we lived in the village. We
moved to the village because my dad worked on the
rigs on oil rigs previously, and he got a job

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which was basically the same job, but on land at
our refinery. It's called moss Morn. It's a really big plant,
so it's split half shell. Half was Exxon and my
dad worked for Shell and I remember when he first
started working there. They have a like a helipad small airfield.

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I'm not very sure, but I remember my dad telling
me that when he first started working there, his colleagues
told him that recently there had been a UFO attempt
to land there. I don't know if that's true or not,
but that stuck in my head. So we're living in
the house. All the kids are out with Mum and dad.

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They're kicking about in the Volvo State doing their thing,
and they call. They say, we've left Cassie the dog.
She was a tiny little boxer dog. We've left her
at home. She's in the kennel. Can you and Lana
take her out for a walk across the field? So
our house was, you know, it was afternoon. I said, Lanna,

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you know, we're going to have to get this done
before they're home, so let's go and take Cassie out.
So it's afternoon. It was a beautiful sunny day, it
was summertime. It was just a lovely day, and the
house was right next to a field. So we would,
you know, hop out the back door, let the dog
out the kennel and just jump over the wall. And
we were in the field. So we're walking up the field.

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If I actually should have should have given you a
map for this, I'll drop you a pin later and
you can see geographically how I'm trying to explain this.
So we jump over the wall, and this field is
on a gradual incline, so our street is on a
bit of an incline, so is the field. We jump

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over the wall and it's not long. Maybe we walk
past our house, the next house, and then we're at
the crest of the field. So we walk out in
this field. I'm trying to explain this best I can
of the area. So we go up the field, and
the field, once you reach the crest, it goes whush

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straight down. It's very steep. The tractors they would never
go up it. They would only go down it, or
it's the other way about. They could only do one
way on this field because it was very, very steep,
and it very bottom was a burn, which I don't
know if people know what burn is. It's like a
little river, very small river. So at the burn, the

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field then goes dramatically upward again. So it goes up
a hill and there's an area of fields there's another
field with some horses. There's the backs of the houses
from the cul de sac where I've just came. There's
a little forest. There's quite a lot of you know,
odd little sections of trees, and there's also a road

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farther left, about a quarter of a mile down to
the left that doesn't really that doesn't really come into
the so tall though, So we jump over the wall.
We're in the field. We reached the crest of the
field and Cassie the dog might need to explain her behavior.

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So Cassie was like, if she could, she'd run away.
Every moment she got, she would just run away. And
she loved brush balls, chase cats, she or She was
such a funny little dog. She was like a brindle
dog that's kind of like a blackie red color. And
she was so small. I've not seen a boxer as

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small as her. She was very petite, and she was
barking mainland as we're walking up the hill where you know,
we're just sort of sort of kicking our feet. It's
a nice day, letting the dog out, not really thinking much,
and then Cassie's barking, barking, So we look up and

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on the other side of the barn, where the field
rises again, there's a section of trees and sort of
above that is this In my head, I just thought
that helicopter is so low, and then I remember thinking,
why can't I hear it? That's not a helicopter. What
is that? So when all the this happened over just seconds,

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Cassie the dog, she's she's getting really aggressive at this point,
and bearing in mind she's been in the kennel for
probably a few hours, she could really do with a walk.
At this point, she hadn't even you know, done her business. Shit,
And she stopped barking and ran back to the kennel.

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And I was so scared in that moment because right
at that moment, this thing, this this round, it was
a sphere. And I'm finding it difficult to compare the
size to something but perhaps a car. The size of

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a car, but it was a sphere, and it reminded
me of like, you know, Terminator two with the mercury,
the you know, the bad Terminator or the new model,
and it's kind of drippy and mercury, and it's shiny, metallic,
it's it's got movement to it. So this thing, I

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couldn't tell. I couldn't find the word to describe what
I was looking at. Was it what I was it
see through? Was it twinkling? Was it light that was
so bright it was doing something to me? Was it metal?
I still don't know any of these things. But what
I do know is in the seconds that Cassie ran back,

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when I looked up, I reached my left hand out
and I grabbed my sister's arm, and we're just standing
beside each other. She was just a tiny tad about
a foot or two behind me. I kind of I
held her back a little bit because this looked I
didn't understand it, and whatever it was, it knew the

(28:38):
second I saw it, because quicker than I could blink,
this thing was closer, which blew my mind because how
it's not making any sound. I didn't see it move.
How is it doing this? What is this? And I
grabbed my sister's arm and I took a few steps back,

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and then I just said run, and I grabbed my
sister's arm and we ran back to the house, and
that was it. I didn't look back, but that thing
knew that I knew. I could see it, and it
moved so close so quickly that it just it didn't
make any sense. So I felt danger. I don't know

(29:26):
if there was danger or if I was perceiving danger,
because it was something that I didn't understand, but I
felt in danger, and I grabbed my sister and we
ran back to the house. If the dog, the dog
was the big red flag. That wasn't in her nature
to behave like that. That was very out of character

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for her. So that coupled with what we were looking
at and how quickly the thing had come over the
level of the burn, it was like it came to us,
and that scared me. So we ran. We ran in
the house, and I have no memory of what we
did in the house, what we spoke about, what way,

(30:10):
if we told anyone, I have no memory of that.
But one month approximately one month later, so remember I'm
not keeping any dates and don't remember things very well.
So it was about a month later. So this thing
that had happened was still recent, it was still in

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our minds, and it had left us shook. We were
genuinely shook. So we were in bed, and I might
have to describe the layout of the house. So the
house was like a long bungalow, and we were really
quite set back from the road. The whole street came

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between us and the road, so there's maybe like a
raw with one, two, three, four five houses before it
got to the road, the main road that came into
the village. So the village entrance was just in line
with our house, but it was a good distance away.
So because the way the land is, it's going up,

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so it used to just be a little street. And
then they built this culled sack on the hill with
maybe six seven houses, and ours was one of those.
So we're on a bit of a hill. So this
is important because my bedroom looked out towards the entrance
of the village. But it was high. It was very high.

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Even though I was in a bungalow, I know how
it was very high. I used to have to when
I would sneak in on out my bedroom at night
to go and look for fun in the village. I
used to have to leave a slab, a long slab
tipped over on its side and whole grab onto this
old metal thing in the wall to get in my room.
That wall must have been about eight foot high. So

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nothing we did not get like road traffic. You didn't
see the light coming in the room really from the
traffic because it was going through the village. It was
parallel to our window, and again a good distance away.
So I'm saying this because you know, people say, oh,
maybe this was cars or it was someone with a

(32:19):
strobe light. That was what my dad said. But what
happened was we were in bed and my bed we
had the window between us, so we had our My
bed was facing the door, tucked into the right. My
sister's bed was on the left of the window, left
of the door, tucked in on the left, so we

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had the window between us in the middle between us
our beds, and I woke up to a light that
I would describe it as an LED light now, but
back then you didn't really see as many as you
do now led lights. But it was it was like
that white. It was so white blue. It was so bright,

(33:05):
but it had a rhythm to the flash. So we
had blinds. We had these, you know, twisted blinds, horizontal
blinds that twisted, and we had curtains over so you know,
we very really didn't get light in our room. This

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wasn't something that happened ever, But this light, A wake up,
and Lana's on my left arm, grabbing at me, and
she's saying, let me in the bed, and neck, let
me in the bed, please wake up, Let me in
the bed. And I wake up, and I'm just taking
this all in in seconds. I wake up. She's petrified.

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And there was this light in the room, filling every
corner of the room, which I don't know how that
is possible without there being a light right in front
of the window. And it was so strong and it
was I don't know how to time this for you,
but it was going it was going dim dim, dim, dim,
then up up up up up bright, you know, like

(34:10):
really bright, and then it was filling everything, holding for
a second and going down slow dim, then back again.
It was so rhythmic, and it wasn't in a hurry,
and you could see the shade of everything. You could see,
you could see everything in the room. It was so bright.
And then I pulled covers over my head and my

(34:35):
poor sister. I just pulled it over and I said,
this isn't happening, This isn't happening, This isn't happening. And
I just kept repeating that to myself, and then I
hear Lana run away and my radio starts blaring. But
I can't tell you if that was Lana in a
panic that knocked it over on full blast, or if

(34:57):
that was something else. But at that point, Lana's screaming.
She gets to the door, and my dad bursts through
the hall and he's saying, you know what is going
on in this room? And then there's nothing. There was
just nothing, no lights, nothing, It was all over. And
my dad said it was one of the boys in
the village pranking us with a strobe light, which we

(35:21):
completely disagreed with. And that is the end of the
UFO incident.

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Speaker 2 (36:33):
That sounds pretty scary.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
That was very scary. Yeah, that was very scary. I've
had no more UFO experiences, but that one I did
have that's changed my life. That has changed my world view,
It's changed the trajectory of my life, the interests that

(36:56):
have I'm so grateful I had that experience, and I
feel so lucky to have had a UFO experience in
broad daylight. I always thought UFO experiences were nighttime. It
would be a shooting star kind of type thing, you know,
zig zagging through the sky, or a beam that would

(37:16):
try and pick me up. But it was what I saw,
and I could never have imagined it would be in
broad daylight. And I truly believe that something came back,
something came to see us, something. I feel like it
kind of tagged us. I felt like we were on
its radar from the sighting. But yeah, that's completely changed

(37:42):
my life.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
You know, this is quite a large object, so it
was about the size of a car, looking like liquid.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
Mercury, similar, it's something. So the words that come to
mind when I see it is iridescent mercury, possibly mirror,
extremely shiny, reflective. But was it just light that I
didn't understand. It seems like a material that I didn't understand.

(38:12):
But it looked to me as a human. It looked
metallic and course very large.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
So we're not looking at something like a my La
balloon or anything.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
No, there's no one hundred percent no way that that
was anything known to me or anybody else that. I
find it very difficult to find the words because I
don't have the words for what that was. I don't
have the It's not the physics that we are raised

(38:45):
to understand. There was no sound, There was no when
it moved. How did it move without making sound? How
did it come closer? If it was just a metal
sphere or metallic sphere or liquid sphere, how did it
know that I was looking? Did it have eyes? Did

(39:09):
it see? Was there something inside it? I don't know,
but it looked three dimensional and it was it had definition.
It was one hundred percent a perfect circle. It was
like a bubble, but it was very big. And I
don't understand how the people in the houses and the

(39:30):
cults that where I lived, the houses that sat on
the crest, we sat on the sort of the hell
going up, but the houses further up sat right on
the crest of that hell. They had a beautiful view.
They still do, and they must have seen that. Someone
must have seen it. Obviously they'd have to be in
their house and looking out their windows at that time.

(39:51):
But why was it there? What was it doing? I
don't understand what I saw. I don't understand what it was.
And my sister, she still corroborates that. Unfortunately, we haven't
spoken in quite a long time, but we would occasionally,
very very occasionally, say hey, do you remember the thing

(40:16):
we saw? And the last time I ever spoke to
her about it was with her husband, and he was
so dismissive. He told us we were both crazy, and
you know we were. There was something wrong with us.
And I could see she took a step back from,
you know, delving into that actual experience. I'll tell anyone,

(40:40):
I've not got many things to say about I can
just say what happened. I don't. It just actually gives
me so much more questions. But I feel like she
it's something she puts away. She is very much afraid
of the paranormal, and growing up when things would happen,

(41:04):
she saw things, so she would see things in our house.
She once saw a dog run into our room, jump
on the bed and go push disappear that. I didn't
actually let her tell me that until I'd moved out
the house, because if I had seen anything, I could
not sleep in that house, and I didn't have a choice.

(41:24):
I had to sleep there. So she was very afraid
of all that. She would be quite happy to pack
that away and live happily in ignorance. But for me,
I think it's just undeniable, and I take it as
a sign. I'm just grateful that it happened, and it's
opened up a whole world for me that is so

(41:46):
exciting and makes life much less sporing.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
I couldn't agree more. And it's not uncommon for people
you know like that that push these experiences aside, even
though they know fall well they happened. Her partner is
the way he is, then she's not going to be
as open, and I've spoken about it more so, if
she's scared of this kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
Yeah, sure, sure, yeah. I think him growing up it
was a case of there's no such thing as ghosts,
don't be silly. But I know that things have happened
to my mum and she very much brushes that aside.
I think she's quite scared of that. So growing up,

(42:30):
we were not raised in the type of home that
embraced you know, the paranormal and everything that comes with that.
Although I have to say I'm a huge X Files
fan and my dad. I used to spend a lot
of time watching documentaries with my dad and he was
very scientific, but at the same time, he loved a

(42:53):
good mystery and he loved a ghost story. That thinks
their stories he's told me that I'm not actually sure
of very true or if they were, you know, stories
to creep out little kids. They did used to do
things to really scare us. But the things that have
happened he was not responsible for. We did watch lots

(43:13):
of documentaries Space, you know, Bigfoot, X Files, all that
good nineties stuff, so I know he was open to
it and I enjoyed that with him. But my mum.
She was afraid and I think the story goes that
her her granny, So my great granny she read tea leaves,

(43:34):
so maybe there's something there that she's afraid of.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
Oh, the old tea leave readers, I remember them. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I think you're in the fang club of the X Files.
I love the X Files. I love that kind of thing.
I'm sure there are thousands and thousands of our listeners
out there which are exactly the same. I grew up
on the Twilight Zone and shows like that.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
Okay, then it's something I probably would have enjoyed, or
maybe it would have added to the nightmares. Who knows really.
As far as ufology, that's as far as my experience school,
I think I've had another. I think I've had a
few little things. So an Octor two. We're very close

(44:19):
to a private estate. It's called Wraith. That's our a T. H.
Wraith Estate. It's a pheasant shooting estate. So my dad
always shocked growing up. That was it's just what we did,
and on this state it was. It was beautiful. It

(44:41):
is still beautiful. It's got a massive, massive house, a huge, huge,
stately home. It's a gorgeous place. It's very private, so
when I would go there with my parents, it was
a treat because you couldn't just walk through the gamekeeper,
would you know, give you a yelling at. So since

(45:04):
I've been small, I've had these dreams. It's a recurring
dream of a place on Reithe the State. I used
to have a dream that I was at church or
a chapel. It was a place of worship and I
was inside the chapel, but there was something outside the

(45:28):
chapel that was trying to pull me outside. It wasn't
something I could see. It was something that was trying
to pull me out. And I don't even know if
there was a chapel on the State, but in the
dream it was always the same. There was this sunken
down area before the entrance of this chapel, and it

(45:49):
wasn't big, it was small, but there was something outside
that was that. It wasn't a good energy. It was
like it was a scary dream. But this was all
it was. It was just this snippet and I'd have
that dream over the years, at least every year. For
quite a few years, I would have this dream, and

(46:12):
then eventually I had my first baby, and I had
to get a bigger house. So my mum she called
up the layered who owned this state, and you know, oh, Nicholas,
looking for a bigger house, do you have anything on

(46:33):
this state. So luckily for us, we got a gorgeous
little cottage on this state. So we lived in there
for oh goodness, it was. It was quite some time
we lived there, maybe about seven seven years something like that.
I might be wrong. So we lived in this little house,

(46:54):
this cottage on this state, and I used to think,
it's you know, it's really funny how that estate is
like it's part of my dreams, and I feel very close.
I feel very connected to raise the state for some reason.
Maybe it's just the stories in my head. When I
was young, it was always very grand. My dad would

(47:14):
when he was home from the rigs, he would fix
the layerd's doorbells and electrical work. So he had all
these houses on this state that were rented out to people.
So my dad, when he was homie, would fix washing machines.
It was a sparky to trade, so he would fix
things and we would often go along. I spent many
times under the floors waiting for a cable to pop through.

(47:37):
So we saw inside the house and it was just
it was a gorgeous place to be, but goodness, it
would be so creepy at night. And my dad did
tell us a ghost story that he experienced on the
state as a young boy, so that just added to
the whole mistake. So maybe I'm building a subconscious picture
my mind and you know, creating these dreams. Anyway, we

(48:03):
move into the cottage and that was a creepy, creepy cottage.
It was very cold. It was so cold, even with
heating on, you could see your breath. It was a stone,
old stone cottage. And it was right in a field
where there's a tower, a tower called bill Weary Tower,

(48:23):
where famously there's a wizard in kirk Coody. I might
get his name wrong, Michael. I think it's wizard Michael
or David, something like that. So there's stories about that
wizard in Kirklaudy. There's a monument to not a big
fancy thing, a big, big wooden statue of this this

(48:45):
wizard of Kirkcaudy. It's near the park on a walk,
just to that field that we used to live in.
So there's an old tower there in that field, and
we actually lived it felt very dark in that area,
did not feel good. So where the tower is is
where the wizard. He was actually a meteorologist and mathematician

(49:09):
and maybe wrong, but people could check that out for themselves.
It's quite a nice little rabbit hole to go down.
So apparently he went everywhere wearing metal helmet because he
had premonition that he would be hit by something on
his head and he would be killed. The only time

(49:31):
he took his metal helmet off was when he would
go into church and he was doing just that and
a rock fell or a slate, goodness knows what, but
hit his head and killed him. So he had a
premonition of his own death. So yeah, he lived in
the field where our cottage was. And also just by

(49:53):
that tower there was a tree where there was a
man hung. So the story goes someone was hung in
that field as well, and a lot of things happened
for me in that house. I actually don't know anybody
that lived there that didn't end and their tenancy well,
it was not a nice place to be and I

(50:17):
ended up separating from my husband at the time. In
that house, it was it did not feel good in
that house. My daughter, who is sixteen now tells me
about her experiences in that house. So in the house,
she would say to me, remember saying this, you know, mother,

(50:41):
I there was a there was a lady next to
my bed. And I'd say, oh, yeah, really, what does
she look like? And she said she would wear a penny,
you know, an apron, like an olden day's lady. And
I said, and where did she go? And she said
she went through the wall. So as she's got older,
she's explained more to me. And she used to play

(51:05):
in that room with something chasing round her in the room,
she said, she always thought it was their father, which
she would not do that. You put. She would go
to bed and she would have a cuddle, you know,
a book and hopefully go to sleep. She remembers getting

(51:26):
up more than once. And in her bedroom it is
a very big room, low ceiling and again really cold,
and she had a round table play table in the
middle of the room, and she had a baby's buggy
and a baby's pushchair. So she said she remembers something

(51:46):
playing with her, chasing round the table and circles. She
would be pushing one pushchair and the thing would be
pushing the other. So she always thought it was our father,
but he's said, you know, that wasn't me, and obviously
that he would't be doing something like that when it's
time to go to bed. So she believes it was

(52:07):
it was a spirit, a ghost, and the thing that
she said used to come to her with the apron.
She likens that now to an Oden Day's kind of lady,
like a maid. She said she had a little thing
on her head, an apron a dress. So yeah, she's
experienced things in that house too. I'm sure I'm forgetting

(52:28):
about some things in that house. But the next house
we moved to happened to also be on Raith Estate,
So I just moved from there about a year ago
in October. I moved from there, so that house, I
would say, So my daughter she's seen the hat man

(52:51):
in that house, right next to her bed. She said
she saw a hat man there. My son, he's had
two experiences in that house. He was very young, but
he was able to articulate what had happened to him well,
and I kind of was sort of there for one

(53:11):
of them. So the first thing that happened to my son,
he's thirteen. Now, he was running through the hallway, and
he was running through the hall and he was going
out to the back door, which led right out the
hallway to a big deck. And he came running back

(53:33):
and I'm in my room. And he ran past the
door for that room, which was open, and he comes
running back and he says, you know, mother, I think
I just saw something. I think I just saw myself.
So he's saying to me that he believes he saw.

(53:57):
So I'm sitting on my bed and he sees next
to me, now there was a chest of drawers. He
said he saw a mirror and a black figure that
looked like him running and he looked at it and
thought he saw himself, but it was black and it

(54:20):
was in a mirror that wasn't there. So that was
a really funny one. We've often spoke. So I listened
to Jim Harold's campfire, and there was once a guy
on there that said the story where he was a
hope to see this properly. Now, Jim alls this way
better job. So this little boy was basically in his house.

(54:42):
He saw something standing there, a hooded figure eating cereal,
what looked like he was eating cereal on a counter
and then flip to him being an older boy. He
looks across. He's sitting, he's leaning on account of eating
cereal with a hood up, and he looks across and
sees something run by. So Hugo, my son. He thinks

(55:04):
that he may have seen himself, and I tend to
agree on that. So the next thing that he saw
in the house was we were coming home, and Hugo
was he must have been now, let me think he
must have been about primary six. He was needing the

(55:26):
bathroom and we just got back. So he goes running
through the house and I'm getting myself sorted. We're putting
bags down or whatever, and he's running the house himself.
He's gone to the bathroom. By that point, I walk
through the house and I see him and he's he's
running back through the living room. He runs through and

(55:49):
I just see his face change and he can't speak.
He's he's he had, you know, he was stammering. He
couldn't even catch his breath, and he said, there's a
man in the house. So I checked the house. It's
a very small house. It's an old farmer's, you know,
a worker's cottage. It's not big. There's no one in

(56:11):
the house, and he's gasping, can't even speak, and he
says to me, I said, what did the man look like?
And he said he had no legs. He had red,
spiky up hair like my daughter, who's redheaded. He said,

(56:34):
it was like Emily's hair. It was red and it
was spiky, sticking up. He had a blue velvet jacket
on and his face looked like it had been scribbled
out by a black pen. That's probably one of the
creepiest ones I've heard. And he's not seen anymore. He
has seen a few auras above people. He's asked what

(56:56):
the colors are sometimes that come from people, but he's
that doesn't tend to happen anymore. And when he was
young he did actually tell me. So he was quite young,
he was about two two and a half three maybe,
and we were driving past the shop and he pointed
to this, it's a motorbike shop and it had a

(57:19):
normal apex roof, black roof tiles, and he pointed to
the roof and he said, and he was very very young,
so his words were didn't speak like he does now.
So he said to me, I was on a roof
like that, I got shot in my back and at
heart and I fell and I died. That's what he

(57:41):
told me. And yeah, he doesn't remember any of that now,
which I think you often find when you hear these stories.
But yeah, I was blown away. And he has such
an affinity for military and war. So I don't know.
Was he in an act in battle in a previous life.

(58:03):
Who knows? Yeah, but the boy is camo and gun obsessed.
Maybe not so much now as thirteen, it's kind of changing,
but yeah, he's always had an affinity for military. So
I'll just go back to the house in the second
house on Raith Estate. So that house, it was very creepy.

(58:24):
There was things that happened in that house to me
that we're probably the scariest things that have ever happened.
There's lots of little things like I would get I
would be in my bed on my own, the kids
are next door asleep, and I would hear tapping all
the way. It would work its way around on the wall.

(58:46):
And this was a brick house and it had that
really thick wallpaper, so you know, you can often hear
say a fly or a daddy long legs flapping about
on the wall. You would hear that sometimes because the
paper was thick, very very thick. This happened to me.
I can't remember how many times, but I would at tap.

(59:10):
The tap would click round the room, tapping, tapping, and
it would work its way all the way around the
room until it was beside me. Sometimes the light would flicker,
sometimes not. Sometimes nothing would happen. But there was one time.
So I used to be so afraid of this, and
I I just embraced it. I thought, I can't be

(59:34):
afraid in my own house. I learned to sage the house,
laid stones, different stones in different places. I put salt everywhere.
I tried to make it as safe as possible. And
this one time I was feeling quite brave, and it
hadn't happened for a long time, and the tapping was
coming round round, and I kind of perked up, and

(59:57):
I sat and I'd just tried to follow it with
my eyes, and it's coming round and round in the room,
and then there's I can feel a tickle like a
I don't know if it's maybe your crown chakra, but
I felt a tingle. I don't really get it anymore.

(01:00:17):
But I did in that house, and I had a
tingle on like the my crown on my head, and
it would tingle and I would feel like that's making
some sort of contact. So this one time, I was
just about asleep, and like I say, I'm following it
and let it happen. And it comes and I feel
it tingle on my head. And whenever these things would

(01:00:40):
happen normally, I would cancel it out. It would stop
every time. I'm not a religious person. I am spiritual,
but I don't have a religion. But I do say
when things get too much, I would say, in the
name of Jesus Christ, I command you to leave my space.
And I would be very firm with it. Took a

(01:01:00):
little while. I used to feel really silly saying it.
I felt, you know, like I'm not religious, I shouldn't
be using Jesus's name. But it's helped a lot and
it actually works. So on this occasion, I'm about to
say it, and I don't remember anything else. So this

(01:01:20):
is all I remember in the moment. Something's happened in
the middle of my head, and I'm about to tell
it to do one well. The next day I get
on with my day as usual, and then I go
to bed and the second my head hit the pillow,

(01:01:40):
it was like a flash. I remembered everything that happened
the night before, and all these details came to me,
and my blood just ran called after this is what
I remember. So I'm lying in bed, something was tapping
my head and this is the bit that I remember.
The next day me, I remember my mouth slurring in

(01:02:03):
slow motion, saying in the name, and I couldn't get
it out, and I hear a voice saying, you left
it too late that time, and it just made, like
I said, my blood run cold. That was one of
the scariest things that has ever happened to me, because

(01:02:25):
who was that voice? What happened? It was almost like
it put me to sleep, and then to remember it
the minute my head hit my pillow the next day,
it just doesn't make any sense to me. But in
that room I did have, I felt like things came
to visit me in that room. I it wouldn't be

(01:02:45):
has to be maybe two three times that I felt
like there was something outside my window. So I lived
in the middle of the fields. It was stunning. I
had only one house next to me. That was joined
onto the cottage. The rest of three sides of my
house was a field for about a mile. It was beautiful,
but it was once it was dark. It was very

(01:03:07):
very dark, and you could see everything and you can
hear everything. So I had stones all the way around
the house for security. I put that there. And there's
at least two or three times that I heard something
under my window that I would like into several crickets,
but it was clicky. It was almost like a robotic

(01:03:30):
sound of what a cricket might sound like. That's what
it sounded like to me. And I don't know what
that was. I can guess, I can take a I
could take a guess at what it might be, but
I don't really want to say that out loud. That's
not happened again my new house where I live now,
I've had a few things happen. In fact, I'll just

(01:03:54):
go back one one more thing that was witnessed by
someone else in the house. In the old house, so
my boyfriend and I we were in the bedroom and
it was getting really late, so we're getting ready to
go to bed. The lights are all dim and I'm
down in my wardrobe. So my bed filled up the room.

(01:04:15):
I had the window on my left, and my window
was always open, so I had the window on my left,
and at the end of my bed I had roller
wardrobes fitted roller wardrobes, and then the door to get
out was there, and then I walked right along the
left to the other side. So I had my phone
next to the bed, and I'm down at the wardrobe

(01:04:38):
and i'd keep my handbag inside the wardrobe at the bottom,
so I'm leaning in. I'm on my hands and knees.
I'm rumming in for something in my handbag, and I
hear a phone go quite clearly in my right ear
in the wardrobe, and it does. I don't know if
this is a knookier choin or not, but it does.
They really did it, and I'll never forget that. It

(01:04:58):
was so so clear. And I look up to Clinton
and I said, was that your phone? And he says, no,
my phone's over there in points beside the bed at
where he was sleeping on his side of the bed.
And I said, well, my phone's there. Your phone's there,
So whose phone was that? And He's saying, I don't know,
do you have another phone in there? And I'm like no,
I don't have another phone. There's no phone there, and

(01:05:23):
that he is a non believer. He still says there
must be an explanation for that, But I can't find
an explanation for a phone going off inside my wardrobe
a phone, and I lived there for ten years approximately.
I lived there for a long time. I think I
would know if I had a nookia sitting in the

(01:05:43):
corner that would do the really did do. Anyway, that
was the last thing I think that happened there that night.
The energy. It felt so stiff in that room, even
with the window open. So at that moment, I said,
let's just go out for a drive and then we'll
come back. So we left the house. I went back,

(01:06:04):
I found the energy to sage it. We gave it
a really good sage. It must have been about two
and by the time we got back, we saged it
and it was all good. So now I'm in this house.
I've only had a few little things. This house has
really good energy. I'm in a village just outside Cooper,
which is a little further afield than Kokaudi, so sort

(01:06:27):
of I'm close to Saint Andrew's. So this little village
is so cozy. It's lovely. The house is like an
next council send me detached three bed house. It's lovely.
And I think there was a guy here that lived
with his kids before me, and then before that there
was an old lady that lived here for a very

(01:06:47):
long time. And I don't know if this lady's energy
is still here or not, but there's been a few
things happening in the bedroom. So Clinton and I were
sitting on the bed one night and we're chatting and drawing.
I'm drawing, and we're sitting on the bed and there's
this rolled up piece of paper and right in between us,

(01:07:10):
this piece of paper rolls like someone has just rolled
it a few inches and it tumbles over and he
sees it, and I see it. And yet this non
believer still thinks there's an explanation for this, but it
clear it looked like someone moved it with their hand
along the bed. I have no explanation for that, apart

(01:07:33):
from it might be this little lady. So the first
thing that happened in this house, it wasn't long after
I moved in. I was sleeping and I woke up
to a lady's voice, and it was it was so kind.
She sounds lovely, and it just went hello, you know.
It picked up at the end and it was almost
like it was nice. It was like saying hello to

(01:07:55):
someone in the street or a new neighbor. It was nice.
That was a nice one. And I think there was
something else in this house that I attribute to that lady.
Maybe it was in my bedroom back Hunt actually remembered it,
and I'm sure I've got other little things that I'm forgetting. Wow.

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Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
It's time.

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
It is the x x X.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
A lot of spooky things going on in that part
of Scotland.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
Yeah, there actually are. It's well worth doing a little
bit reading about this part of the country. There's I
don't know if you're aware of the author, Malcolm Robinson.
Oh yes, yeah, yeah, so he's across a bit he's
over and is it Denny? I think I don't know
if he is, but I know he has read a

(01:09:42):
few of his books and he's a bit of an
advocate for the Is it the Denny Sighting or the
Denny Triangle fall Kirk, that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
I'm friends with him. Yeah, I think he is from
that region, if I If I remember rightly, Malcolm.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
Is right, Okay, okay, I actually just messaged him. I
haven't heard back, but I did message him his website.
I can't remember now. There was a story I heard
about a place called Sake. I don't know if you've
heard of Soke. That may well fall under the Fokker Triangle.

(01:10:18):
Actually it's just next to a place called oh dear,
I'm forgetting the name. There's a private school in a
quite a posh village near Stirling. Well. The very next
village is Soke, which is s A. U. C. H
I E. And I was watching YouTube the other day.

(01:10:39):
It was Halloween night and I watched this guy do
you know do a piece on Soke. It's definitely something
you should research.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
There's a street, is that the poltergeist?

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
Yes, m hm yes, And it's actually affected more than
one house in the street, and there's people who have
I checked right move the website because you can see
sold house prices. But more to the point for this one,
you could see the door numbers of sold houses and
I was trying to figure out are they still council

(01:11:15):
houses or they bought houses? Because there seems to be
polar geist activity right down that street. There's at least
three houses where things have happened. And on Halloween, I
was planning to do that, but my boyfriend had to
do night shift, so we were planning on driving to
Sake just to go down that street. But I was

(01:11:35):
when I was watching that, so the village Sake is
actually means something to do with the willows. Something to
do with the willows. You might not want to put
this in any recording, Nick because there's lots of mibbies
and butts, and you know there's something to do with Sake.
Being connected to willows and a wisp of the willow.

(01:11:59):
There's something to do with the name Sake that is
connected to Willow the wisp or the wisp of the willows.
And when I checked that, I gave it a Google.
Now I can't remember why I did this. I'll put
my dots together eventually when I'm back in the rabbit hole.
But I've messaged Malcolm Robinson because he I think he

(01:12:21):
did a little bit on that. I think on the
YouTube thing I watched, he spoke about Malcolm Robinson's book
and the streets and other people that have lived in
that area. But there's something to do with the name
Sake that means wisp of the willows. But then the
word willow. If you put in wisp of the willow

(01:12:42):
or willow the wisp, there's something biblical and it means
basically the place of the weeping spirits or the wallowing spirits.
There's some sort of connection and I found a little connection,
and that that's why I messaged Malcolm to ask if
he was aware of that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
But that's interesting now.

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
Yeah, if I found it, I'll give you actual facts.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
That's because that's all connected to Scottish folklore. I mean,
I grew up with Without the Wasp. Do you remember
the old cartoon with the Kenneth Williams used to do
the voice.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
Yes. So that's the craziest thing because when I saw that,
I gave it a Google and then I saw the
cartoon and I thought, I remember that, and I didn't
know that that was Willow the Wisp. And then to
think that that I remember watching that show because I mean,
early eighties things were very technology was very primitive, and

(01:13:39):
that that was probably all we really had back then.
We had i'd say three channels on TV, I think,
and I remember watching Willow the Wisp, but until I'd
seen a clip of it on YouTube, I could not
remember it. I found myself watching episode after episode.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
It's just it's such a we're showing our age of
it there. Yeah, I'd have to go back and watch that.
In Donkeys' years.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
Well, it's really strange because there's actually a ghost in it,
and then there's a TV that that has the power
to change people into different things. It is quite odd.
I don't know. I don't know the origins of Willow
the Wasp, but there's definitely something there that would be
worth a good you know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
Research, absolutely, yeah, I know. It's old Scottish folklore. Willow
that's where it all comes from. The ghost lights.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
Ah right, okay, so it's the is that the willow
or is the willow in the woods and the wasp
is the lights.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
I'm not sure willow, yeah, willow is.

Speaker 1 (01:14:42):
The spirit Okay, Okay, Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
Don't know where the wisp comes from, though, Yeah, I feel.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
Like I needed to. It was one of those rabbit
holes where you know, you just want to dig into
one piece of information, but you come across something else,
then something else, and you're like, oh, I'm going to
have to backtrack about four different screens on my phone
and write stuff down and save pictures.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
I tell you, if you google about folk law, not
just Scotland but around the UK, I tell you there
were thousands and thousands of little mini folk law stories.
There were so many.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
I do love it. You've got all these different pockets.
I quite like going up north to m Thirso, but
it's just before you jump over to Orkney. It's the
top of Scotland. I've got kind of aspirations to live
up there. I have no idea why, but there's quite
a lot going on up there. There's quite a lot
of spooky things up there too, and there's a lot

(01:15:41):
of archaeological finds as well up there. And they have cairns,
you know, the cairns that you could walk in for
where they used to rest the dead. Oh yes, yes, yeah.
But I'm just checking folklore now because it actually reminds
me growing up. So I'm half Polish. My dad's family

(01:16:02):
are all Polish, both his parents, and growing up we
were very much in the woods. You know. We would
pick fruit, whatever berries you could find. We grew up
picking mushrooms. We shut our own food. We like to
think that we knew how to survive out in the woods,

(01:16:22):
but we always believed there was fairies. Wherever we went,
there was always fairies. And I remember being a young
kid just thinking that the fairies would do all the
dishes at night in the house.

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
I love these little accounts. A lot of your accounts
have all been the one area around trying get it's
right octatool well done?

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
Is that right? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
Or if you're saying it more Scottish, you have to
get your throat in there into your oo oct.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
Two because it's it's not pronounced the way it's written.
It's only because the way you've been saying it, I
probably couldn't pronounce it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
Yeah, wood, well it's it's spelled a uc so that
is oh really so it's oh then T E R
T O O L wonderful.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
I must have been when you started mentioning places. I
did get the Google out and had to have a
have a quick look. And a lot of it is ocean. Goody,
you got your dad's refinery which is still actually there,
isn't it? The shell place?

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
Yeah, it's quite a controversial spot. Actually there was a
period it must have been about four years ago now,
and where I lived. You could probably check where I lived.
So we lived in a white bungalow just as you
drive into the village, just up on the hill and
that would give you a good point to see the
crest of the hill where I was talking about. But

(01:17:45):
I might just do some screenshots and send them to
you later. And then the last house I was living in, well,
that one that was shaking four years ago. They were
they do a flair. I don't know if you're familiar
with with them refineries, but they have a process called
flaring when they have I think it's excess product. I'm

(01:18:06):
really not sure, but it was so bad the whole
house and the lights were shaking. And that was in
the neighboring town. That was in all the surrounding houses.
It was an apter tool, it was, and I wasn't
an octor tool. I was a little bit out, but
even our lights were shaking all through the house. It
was really unsettling because I think if that place goes,

(01:18:30):
a lot goes.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
Right, Yeah, krikey. And that was a few years ago,
was it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
Yeah, that that was four years ago. Yeah, SIPA did
investigations and I recently read they're doing some kind of
compensation package for residents.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
Right, Yeah, that makes sense. And Quakey, you know your experience,
it was quite close to that refinery. Do you think
there was possibility that it could have had something maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
To do with it? Yeah, it has crossed my mind. Possibly.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
You know, we hear a lot of accounts over nuclear facilities.
We get the same kind of things over dams and
bud over refineries before, so it's quite possible. But the
whole whole area around where a lot of your stories
Tonight has originated from, mostly countryside, is not really a
heavily populated area.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
No, it's very there's a lot of agriculture out here,
lots of fields. So there's also there's also one that
you might be interested in, an event that actually Malcolm
Robinson wrote about. It was in Falkland, I think it was.
Actually it was Newton A, Falkland, I think. So there

(01:19:44):
was a there was apparently there was a lady in
a car. She had another adult in the car with
her and they had two kids in the back and
they saw what they believed to be a UFO in
a field whilst they were driving out for coffee. They
buying coffee from like a spar or a copp or
something in the nearby village, so they popped out to

(01:20:05):
buy freeze dry coffee and they see this UFO in
the field and they saw oh, these little people, these
little creatures beings picking things up from the ground, and
taller beings sort of you know, being I don't know
the foreman on site, not very sure, but there is

(01:20:26):
a section in that Malcolm Robinson did and he he
spoke to I believe he spoke to the family. And
that's a really funny one because that kid, they had
very paranormal things happening in their house, very scary things.
And then they've disappeared and I have not been able

(01:20:47):
to find the people or anything more about that. And
that was just near Falkland, So there's a big, big
hill on Falkland. There's often you know, illegal raves and
and UFO spotters star spotters. They're up on Falkland Hill
because it's the highest point in that area, and certainly

(01:21:08):
that it would be if there was UFOs close to
Falkland Hill. Newton of Falkland is just down the hill
just a little bit. So I don't know if there's
any connection there, but yeah, like I like to think
there's more. Just people aren't talking about it, that's all.
There isn't the you know, that one universal place to
share this.

Speaker 2 (01:21:29):
I'll check that case out. Sure. And you said they've
completely disappeared, maybe just at the public eye.

Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
Yeah the people. Oh yeah, the people have gone. So
they've probably just moved house and you know, moved on
with their life, imagine.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
Right right, Okay, Well, you know, it seems that you're
quite sensitive to these things that have happened, because what
is your family, including your daughter when your son.

Speaker 1 (01:21:52):
Yeah, yeah, it appears that way. I think it's more
things happen. I accept that, whereas before you'd have a
couple of things happen and feel a bit like an
impostor you know, I'm a really really feel these things?
Is it real? Is it really happening? But the more

(01:22:14):
things that have happened, it's undeniable that things do happen,
and we do feel things, and I don't think of
many I think we probably all have that ability, depending
on the level of empathy you carry, to connect with
things that we don't understand.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
I get yeah, I couldn't agree more. I believe the
same thing. I think we all have this. Really, if
you listen to a lot of the accounts we have
on a show, just normal people have any strange experiences?

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, there's nothing normal about these things, but
it certainly happens to normal people.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
And that's a good putting it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:53):
I don't want it to stop. I do think what's next.
But it's nice living in a space now with peace,
and I'm not in fear of things. So my daughter,
she actually just had something she's been experiencing. More so,
she predominantly stays at her father's house. Now I live

(01:23:16):
in the middle of nowhere, and he's more central, so
it's beside her school. She's a sixteen year old girl.
She wants to be near the hustle and bustle, I guess.
So she just recently, this was only a few months ago.
She was sitting in her living room in her father's house.

(01:23:37):
And when they're doing their washing, so he lives in
a flat, so when they do their washing, they hang
clothes on hangers, you know, clothes hangers like him a
coat hanger, and then hook them all on the curtain poll.
They'll hang them up there and then leave the windows
open so it drives the washing in the flat. So

(01:23:57):
Emily said she was sitting there in the living room
watching TV and she heard what she thought sounded like
someone throwing pot some pans and dishes in the kitchen,
and she knows there's nobody through there. She was alone
in the house, so she said she sat there petrified

(01:24:18):
until it stopped at two in the morning. So it stops,
and then she said, she decides, oh, right, okay, I
could get up and go through now. Because she was
afraid to go to bed, to the bathroom, to anything.
So she finally stands up to go through and as
she goes to get up, she said, there was five tops,
five shirts, five tops on this curtain pole on coat hangers.

(01:24:41):
She said, all five of them lifted the hangers as well,
so hangers are up lifted and all fell on the
floor and she ran out the room. So, yeah, that's
a really scary one.

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
Yeah, you probably want to start training there in the
use of SiGe.

Speaker 1 (01:24:58):
Well, I did, as said to her, did you use
your sage, darling, and get your stones out, get your salt.
So she did. She cleansed herself. She's taken care of it.
But I think just because she's a sixteen year old girl,
it's that sort of age that things seem to happen,
and she I've tried to direct them to say, you know,

(01:25:20):
it feels like you're in a situation where you're not
in control, but you actually are, and that fear is
making it much worse. So you just you take the
control back and you use you know, your sage, your
whatever you believe. She wears a crucifix, you know, I
use the name of Jesus. Do whatever you need to do,

(01:25:41):
but you're in control of that. This is this physical realm,
this is ours and certain things aren't welcome.

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
Yeah, exactly, even if you're not religious. You know, I
think a lot of it is believe something will work.

Speaker 1 (01:25:55):
Oh yeah, absolutely, Yeah. I guess it's the power of
the mind, isn't it. And when I actually looking back, yeah,
I was trying to make things stop, but I didn't
have the tools. I didn't I didn't have the the
ability to stop these things. But now, yeah, I have
the control. Oh, I have a really big one. Actually,

(01:26:17):
I have a really big one, a really important one.
This is this is the thing that changed me to
a believer. So in the house in bil Weary, so
it was it was on Reith Estate, but where we
were it was bil Weary, that's b A l W
E A r I E. So bill Weary Castle was
in the field just off the garden and we were

(01:26:39):
in Bilweary cottages. So it was in. My grandad was dying.
So he had cancer all through. He was a He
was a happy alcoholic till the day died. So he
you know, his body was put he was on his
way out. We knew he was dying, we just didn't

(01:26:59):
know when. So it was always very sprightly. It was
chipper right to the end. It was still trying to
sneak a cigarette and a whiskey whilst he's, you know,
riddled with cancer. And I'm in bed. So I was
married and my daughter Emily, she must have been about

(01:27:21):
so she was a baby. Actually she was a baby
when this happened, and my granddad. I had a dream.
I thought it was a dream, but it wasn't a dream.
So I'm lying in bed and I feel something on
my arm, on my right arm, and I wake up
and it's my die. So that's what I call my granddad.

(01:27:46):
That's like her. I don't know if it's a Scottish
thing or not. I think it is. It might be
a Fife thing, so it's just d I die. So
he I felt him on my arm and then I
look across and he's he's leaning down and he says,
that's me away hen And then I wake up and

(01:28:09):
I looked to the side of me and I see
the time and it's something like I must it was
something like quarter past two. It was something like that.
And then the phone goes first thing and I shout
to Mike's husband and I say, hey, wait, I need
to tell you something. I had this dream. If I
don't tell you that I had this stream and something happens,

(01:28:32):
You'll never believe me. So I told him what happened.
And then the phone goes and it's is barely six
o'clock in the morning, so he is not happy. He's going,
who's you know calling the house at this time? And
I says, no, I know what it is, and he
puts the phone down. He says, it was your die.
He died this morning about half to And that was

(01:28:53):
That was me a believer. I couldn't how could you
not believe that? That was my evidence. He came to say, bye,
that's me away Hen. Hen is an affectionate term here
for a female, So yeah, he said, that's me away
Hen and he looked so happy. And I didn't tell

(01:29:13):
anybody for weeks because I didn't want it to be
you know, oh, Nicholas, like, you know, it's not even cold,
and she's saying, no, I've had an experience. But yeah,
that was a really big one for me. That was
that was a huge turning point.

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
That made you a believer. Yeah, that was really nice
that he came to visit.

Speaker 1 (01:29:34):
Yeah, very comforting, it was, it was lovely. It was
very very nice. I felt privileged.

Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
Yeah, that's beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
It was lovely. It was just I didn't expect it,
and I thought, why me, Why did you choose me
out of all the grandkids. But yeah, I just love
it and it gives me so much comfort.

Speaker 2 (01:29:52):
Now, why not you? Obviously you know we had a
connection with you, so I wouldn't say one last ye
why Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:29:59):
And I think I was actually the first grandchild, so
it could be that I think we spent he did
babysit me, whereas I think I may have been the
only grandchild that he did babysit. So there's there's that. Yeah, yeah,
we've got these. I have a photo of us and
you know the old black and white photo boots that

(01:30:20):
comes on a strip. I have one of those. If
I find it, I'll send you a copy.

Speaker 2 (01:30:24):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:30:25):
There was another thing. Actually, there's one thing in the
village that my sister believes. She was chased down the
village by a stone, and she came home hysterical that
this stone would not stop following her and the doctor.
My mum got the doctor out. He swore that that

(01:30:46):
stone followed her and chased her all the way down
the village and home and that to me sounds like
a bit of the Fey or folklore. Possibly. Yeah, the
face could be the fries. Yeah, that's that's what I think.
With it being a stone. I never could not get
my head around that one. Why she would be followed

(01:31:08):
by a stone? And she said it started slowly, that
she heard it, and then she saw behind her, and
then she'd look again and it was behind her again.
And then she's running and the stone's coming behind her.
It's just it sounds so odd and far fetched. But
I remember the day she came in the house. She
was hysterical. They could not have camera down. They had

(01:31:29):
to phone the doctor. The doctor came out and said
that she was hallucinating and she had no medical issues.
She was no just as normal as me. She had
her little you know, weird things happen, So that may
be one of her things, but it's quite a unique one.
I haven't heard many people, and I've pretty much dedicated

(01:31:50):
in so. I got quite sick about a decade ago,
so i spent a lot of time at home resting,
and I've pretty much dedicated my life to this podcasts
is actually lovely and I have never really heard of
anyone having a stone or a rock following them home.

Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
Well, what I'll do is, I had an email from
a guy and he runs the Fascinating Various podcast. Okay,
he supposed to be coming on the show when he's
not not too busy to share his his fairy experiences.
So I'd ask him to see if he's if he's
heard anything similar to that. Yeah, a fee in these

(01:32:30):
us space. But I had a random email from a
guy several years ago now. He sent me the email.
He didn't want to come on the show or anything
like that. He was a hiker and he was hiking
I think it was Georgia, no one around for miles,
and he said he witnessed witness little people, several of them.
The life of me. I could not get him to
come on. He was like, no, you know, no one

(01:32:52):
to believe me.

Speaker 1 (01:32:53):
I mean, you could understand his possession. That just gave
me goose bumps.

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
Crikey.

Speaker 1 (01:32:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:58):
You know, some people drug to folklos stories, but they
you know, they originated, originate usually from something. I mean
fair enough. You know you can put things down to
superstition and not understanding something and metaphors and all that
kind of thing. Yeah, but I think there's definitely something there.

Speaker 1 (01:33:18):
Yeah, definitely, I think I don't see the term brownies
is that unique to the UK or is that Scotland,
because we we would call things brownies. But then as well,
you know, like the girl Guides, we have the version
for girl Guides for younger girls, and that's also called

(01:33:39):
the brownies, and you have to be like a helpful
person and you know, do good kind of thing. But
brownies are also a term for some type of elemental
little person thing. It could be like adobby esque.

Speaker 2 (01:33:54):
Thing, that's right. I think in England the little brownies
little brownie girls like the cookies and stuff. Right, it's
the same, Yeah, exactly the same. But the brownie fair is.
I believe they were house elementals if I remember.

Speaker 1 (01:34:10):
Rightly, Okay, that will be the ones. Yeah, like the cleaners.

Speaker 2 (01:34:15):
Cleaning up, making a mess, all kinds of mischiefs like that. Well,
I'm to be honest with you. They could be beneficial
and house. I think we could do with one of
a couple of them.

Speaker 1 (01:34:25):
Yeah, that's that's quite interesting. I think we could probably
talk all day about these kind of things. But I'm
looking forward to I'm not going to listen to the podcast,
but I will tell my family, I'll ask. I'm not
sure how many people listen because they kind of they
know this is me now, but they kind of roll
their eyes and you know, like, Okay, even my boyfriend,

(01:34:47):
he's such a skeptic, but he is very much you know,
black and white, I believe it kind of thing. But
he wants so badly to experience something. But when these
all things have happened, he just won't to accept it.
He needs, you know, he needs like whipped off his
feet to believe it. So I think I need to

(01:35:08):
get him to some take him to those Edinburgh Dungeons
or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:35:13):
You guys are in the perfect place to visit. A
few stately homes and a few haunted hotels. Yeah, Edinburgh, Edinburgh.

Speaker 1 (01:35:20):
Yeah. Oh, it's just it's just everywhere here and even
in our own little towns. It's like a little village
hall or you know, a little alley way that's just
all cobbled like that must hold something, it has to
hold something.

Speaker 2 (01:35:35):
Yeah, do that. Yeah, and make sure you find a
place that's going to knock his socks off.

Speaker 1 (01:35:39):
Oh, let's hope. So, Okay, it was nice talking to you.

Speaker 2 (01:35:43):
Nick Nicola, I really appreciate you coming on sharing that.
Absolutely fascinated hear your account.

Speaker 1 (01:35:48):
Oh no worries, Thank you you take care of you,
take care too.

Speaker 2 (01:35:53):
Enjoy the rest of your day and we will speak soon. Okay,
well do thank you, bye bye, take care for now.
Bye bye. Well that's all for this episode. Keep updated
and connected with a show on x, Facebook and Instagram.
And if you have an encounter that you'd like to
share on the podcast, you can email me at UFO
Chronicles at gmail dot com, or you can reach out

(01:36:17):
to me via the contact page on my website UFO
Chronicles podcast dot com. A big thank you to Nicola
for sharing tonight, and thank you all for listening. I
will be back next week. Till then, stay safe and
keep watching the skies. Goodbye,

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