Ep.364 Summer of 69

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You'll be away five seventeen. Do you want to report
a UFO. We don't want to report every thirty one.
Do you wish to report a UFO over hey, we
want to one of.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Those data.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Areas thirty one.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
Do you wish to find a report of any kind
of it?

Speaker 4 (00:18):
I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Time areas thirty one me neither.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
There were seven one golf.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
If it was anybody a U above us to pass us,
like thirty seconds.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Ago, we were sending one of golf negative, Okay, OFFI
the UFO.

Speaker 4 (00:37):
Yeah, it's murder ten nine o'clock.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yes, I'll just passed over, I go.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
I don't know what it was, but it's from at
least to three thousand feet above us.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
See, I passed out over the top of.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Us ninety one one.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Guy, you just called up to me? Be four rest.
They're after staying the airplanes?

Speaker 4 (01:00):
He is, I where to god more? Calm on an
unidentified object? Every liberty four call or calm on an
unidentified flying object?

Speaker 3 (01:13):
A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share
their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had
an encounter, I would like to be on the show,
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(01:47):
Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. How are you
all this week? I'm Nick Hunter and this is the
UFO Chronicles podcast. Tonight's guest is Rob, coming to us
from Arizona and in nineteen sixty nine, on a login road,
a late night party turned into chaos as people fled shouting.
Rob and his friend stayed long enough to see three

(02:10):
towering figure step out of the tree line. There's also
moments that didn't happen in the wilderness. During a twenty
seventeen eclipse, a trip that took him past Area fifty one,
Rob and his friends saw bright camera flashlight bursts peering
in different spots across the night sky. And while stationed
in Japan during his Navy years, Rob had more than

(02:31):
one unsettling encounter with a mysterious woman in the traditional
dress who would appear suddenly and vanish just as fast.
Rob is up next, But first, if.

Speaker 5 (02:43):
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(03:16):
Hello Rob, welcome to the podcast.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Good to be here, Nick, finally get to talk to here.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
Absolutely yeah, it's our pleasure of now. Thank you for
joining us today. And you're calling from Arizona.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
That's right, Beach Arizona.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
Great stuff. Okay, now you have some experiences to share
with us. Would you like to start at the beginning?

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Please?

Speaker 1 (03:36):
Sir?

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Sure, I have a friend here with me. I can
tell you his name is Bob. Anyways, Bob and I
have had at least two uf A kind of experiences together,
nothing more really, no contact your stuff. We saw in
the sky. One was out at Bartword Lake here in Arizona,

(04:01):
and him and myself and this lady Karen were at
the water's edge. It was about two or three in
the morning, and it was Bob to my left, then
Charen and myself, and all of a sudden, Bob looks
up and he goes what's at and he puts his
hand out to the right, and from the right, going
over the lake came this big gass or I mean,

(04:24):
it was probably twice the size of a beach ball.
It was orange and kind of reddish and yellow and
hue to it, And I think, after thinking back on this,
I think it was kind of transparent because as it
went by, it wasn't going real fast, and he's sixty
miles an hour or something like that. At first, you

(04:44):
should almost see the mountains on the other side of
the lake, the hills and whatnot through this thing. Anyways,
so it goes to the left, then goes further to
it makes a left hand turn, goes further to left.
We're turning around looking at it, and then goes back
to where it made that turn there, went straight up
and it just was gone. It was just gone. That

(05:07):
was one we had. And then during the eclipse, the
full eclipse of the moon, what was it in seventeen,
twenty seventeen, I think it was the full eclips of
the sun. Yeah, it was twenty seventeen, I believe him
and myself and our friend Michael, we took a three
almost three week trip to see the eclipse in Wyoming.

(05:32):
We went from here to the first night in the
area fifty one at that time. We walked out towards
the road at the main road. And this is again
you know one two set in the morning, I remember which,
and we looked up in the sky off to the
except then the northeast during from from where we were

(05:54):
staying a little southeast southeast. Yeah, we were standing here
and staking north. Yeah, and you know the road, and
we saw them.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
Up across the road. Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
So anyways, and remember the old style cameras that had
the bulbs you had to replace every time you used
to them and it went pow. We saw these things
in the sky just happening. And it doesn't them yeah
at Lisa, doesen't. They were popping off all over the
place up there, and they would go from one spot
to another and pop off there too, But it didn't

(06:30):
light up the area. It just went up that Yeah,
that one, That one spot is really wild. Another time,
a friend of mine, Vincent, he and I we were
on our way back from Wickenberg, and I said, hey,
why don't you just pull over and let's check out
the sky because it's really dark out, I mean really dark,
so no move. Well there was this there was a

(06:52):
real slice of a move just a sliver of moon,
and we pulled over and got out I had a
real power green laser with me and I just charged
it up that morning. I had used it all day.
And when you have the car and we're just staying
there and looking up the sky, and it was real nice.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
I mean, just total.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Darkness or all the stars and the milky Way blazer
above us. And then as we settled on our eyes
along the horizon, which you could tell there was enough
light to see the outline of the mountains off in
the distance. And this one light was about maybe I
don't know, a hand light above the horizon, and it

(07:39):
was just a star type of right white. And they
started moving left and then go right, go back to
where it was, and then go right and then go
back to where it was. So I started grooping with.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
It, and I took my.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Laser and I shined it on it, and I went
up and then down and then back. This thing did
the same thing and went down, up and then back.
I went left, he went left, I went right, it
went right, and all of a sudden it stopped working
and it's just like there's no power. It was good.

(08:16):
And that's not the only one we saw. There was
a bunch that night that we saw off in the
distance that we're doing really strange things. I mean, stars
don't move like that. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Anyways, And was that in Arizona?

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yes, it was, Yeah, that was the last one was
in near Wickenburg, Arizona.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
And what location are you You are Phoenix.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yes, Phoenix. Yeah, I was living up in Rimrock, Arizona,
which is kind of up by it's north of Cornas Junction.
It's a talent there anyway, it's in kind of more
northern Arizona than but we're evinced. And I saw that
it was coming from Wickenburg, which is south of King Arizona,

(09:01):
which is up by the border. And this and I
were just totally blown away by the show that they
were putting on for us.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
There was wild and of course Arizona is famous for
his UFO science.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yeah, I think so it is. For me, I've done
around the sun seventy eight times, as in the twenty
first of this month of November. I just turned seventy eight.
See what I do is I count my history. I
guess you want to call it in books or chapters,
like I had my chapter growing up as a kid

(09:36):
in Chicago. Then there was my pre Navy days, which
was just like I had dropped out of high school
and didn't have a job, and my old stepfather, he says,
so we need to get a job or go in
the service.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
You know.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Well, I opted for the service, but it was right
in the beginning of the Vietnam Conflict more or less, and
sixty five is when I joined. And I knew that
if I waited, I was going to get you know,
drafted and via just a ground pounder, and I didn't
want that. So I joined the Navy, figuring, hey, you know,
at least i'll be relatively safe. I mean, unless they're

(10:16):
attacking the boat. But I didn't know what I would
be doing at the time. I was very young. I
was seventeen, very young, ninety seventeen year old. So yeah,
I joined the Navy, and turned out I went for
an Air Division billet or MS. Turned out to be
an aviation bozones.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
Mate.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Well, I was first my first what year and a
half or so, I was at China Lake, California. That's
out in the middle of the fucking the hobby desert,
you know, and for a sailor that it seemed kind
of strange to me. But anyways, I was on the
fire department, the crash crew out there, and then I
went to the most of the kid venders. Anyways, there's

(11:00):
a different section of the same base, and I was
working with F nine's there. We would hook him up
to be remote control, which was a big thing back then,
and fly him around and the F fours would come
along shoot at and there's target practice because the sidewinder
missile at that time was having a lot of missus

(11:23):
and they're trying to figure out what the problem was, so,
you know. Anyway, so I was talking to the Yomen
one day and I said, hey, you got any other
duty bases available that I can qualify for him? And
he looks at the roster and he goes, you know what,
You've got orders right here. First the next month to

(11:44):
go to Okinawa. And they asked Okinawa. I says, really,
where's Okinawa? And he said that an island at south
of Japan. You know. So anyways, I got shipped over
there and I was the base operations And what that
was is that let's say a plane was coming from

(12:06):
Saigon or Taiwan or anywhere going to Japan. They needed
to stop over for the night get refueled, and that
I would go out, park the plane, bring him inside
that this is always at night. That that shift I worked,
get them a room that at the boxer's VOQ, and
take care of this plane for him. I also tracked

(12:28):
the hurricanes and the typhoons that went through, did a
lot of different things. But I get kind of bored easily,
I think, because one day I walked into the Yeomen's
office again and I says, hey, well you got that's
you know elsewhere? He says, well, not much. He said,
I got a te y, which is a temporary duty
assignment to Vietnam. If you want to go to Cameron

(12:50):
Day and help them rebuild some of the p X
and the barracks that got blown up in a rocket attack,
you can apply for that. So I said, well, why
not I swing hammer for a couple of months or
whatever it's going to be. So anyways, next thing I know,
I'm in Vietnam and swinging a hammer, and this chief
Tedyoficer comes up to me and he says, you know,

(13:11):
are you Robin Coldman? I go yeah. He says, well
you get reassigned. I says, wait a minute, I'm tvy here.
He says yeah. But once you're in country. We can
put you ating where we want for as long as
we want. Oh God, next thing, I know, I'm a
fifty caliber operator on a riverboat and learning to strip
down a fifty caliber. I never did none of that

(13:32):
my boot, you know. But anyways, so lit a little
jungle training in that, and so I did that for
the next thirteen months altogether total, and I got out.
I headed back. After I left Vietnam, I had to
go back to Okanawa too, because I was still theoretically
registered as a being station at NAH And so I

(13:57):
signed out there, got my order. I want San Francisco
for a discharge, got discharged there San Francisco. This was
nineteen sixty eight, right in the middle of the hippie
hippie movement. When I went into the Navy, it was
all greasy. I mean, Chicago is the grease back hair,
the Puerto Rican fence, climbing shoes, the real pointed ones,

(14:20):
the stove pipe pants. And then when I get out,
it's all long hair free love bell bottoms, you know.
So I was all for that, you know. And I
had smoked simpato over in Vietnam, and I think I
did a little bit.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
Of opium a couple of times.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Anyway, so I get out and I'm shipped out on
the streets of San Francisco and then ended up back
in Chicago, and the same thing was going on there,
the hippie saying it just spread everywhere. And I met
this guy, Crazy Bobby. He was a door gunner out
of eight sixteen helicopter and we didn't know each other

(15:03):
and non but we met after we got back to
the space and they both put from Chicago. So anyways,
he had did the same thing I did, which was
we took four pounds of pot wrapped and put him
a potty in a this is good being the mediate
pot to you, by the way, and we put them
in paper bags, then took electrical take and started winding

(15:25):
around it got it real tight to her about size
of a big softball, and we put two in each.
Speakers we bought. I bought two San Sui nice speakers
and receiver, and the Navy shifted back to Chicago. For me,
it was great, and Crazy Bobby did the same thing.

(15:46):
So anyways, Bobby has this we're out without a without
a reverse gear to it, so we would be tripping
around Chicago you know, first did acid with him. He
had gotten three hits of each of Purple Double Dome,
which was some really good acid, and he uh, he

(16:06):
said he had tried some couple of nights before, and
he said, you just got to try. It was great.
So we did a hit and forty five minutes or
a half hour later, nothing, So he says, come on,
let's do another one. Maybe maybe it's good or something.
So we did another one another tho event goes by.
Still nothing, so he says, come on, let's do the

(16:29):
third one. So we so we used to the third one,
and then we smoked the joint and as soon as
we smoke that joint, file colors and everything just psychedelic.
It was just too cool, too cool. So we ended
up at a place called after going to the park

(16:50):
and getting to stop by some cops there for being
in the park after dark, we ended up this place
called Aaron Russo's Kinetic Playground.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
It was an old.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Old Chicago theater, and an old Chicago theater that had
a balcony with the tables of the chair and the
boost up there and in the main floor all but
skipped a ball of its chairs and see me, so
it's just an open thing and there was a band
playing beer bottles from being ob tucked into the up
in the air and coming down and it was just wild.

(17:23):
So anyways, I didn't know it at the time, but the
band was led Zeppelin. They were on their first American tour,
so I got to see them, although I didn't know
who led Zeppelin was at that time. So anyway, so
Bobby and I my brother was living in Victorville, California,
and that's near Apple Valley, California, and it's in the

(17:45):
high desert above Sambordino. Sambordino is down below. Then you
got these mountains, the Sanbadeo Mountains. That's where Lake Arrowhead
and dig Bear are at two ski resorts. So you
go up the Alcohol Pass to the upper desert and
then that's where Victiville is. So my brother was living

(18:06):
in Apple Valley at the time, Nashley or Russer and
one or two, but they're real close. And Bobby said
that he had people living out there, so that's where
we said, let's go see him. So we jumped in
his car one day and just took off. We had
all this weed to sell and stuff. It was cool.
So we told a bunch of Chicago port dass so

(18:27):
we had money to travel on and back then gas
was what a bucket gallon or something like that, seventy
five cents or a bucket gallon maybe somebody twenty five
cunty gallon. Then yeah, the ideas it was. So anyways,
we had out we're going through the mountains of on
the way, we took the northern route toward San Francisco,

(18:48):
and that's where we ended up. Have to go on
through the mountains, and we spent three days there. When
we got there, we the San Francis is a bunch
of hills and parking is that that kind of the premium.
So he goes up this one, him comes down the
other side, he sees a spot on the right and
he just slips into it. But you got to remember

(19:10):
this car has got no reverse, so we had to
wait until the car in front of us moved, and
a lot of times cars don't move for weeks, you know.
And so anyways, after spending three days in Golden Gate
Park and elsewhere trash pad, we uh, we decided they
had Richtorville. And then then Bobby gets this idea his

(19:32):
parents he's from Washington State originally, and his parents are
living there and his sister. So he says, why don't
we go on and see him, you know, you white
country up there, it's real nice. Then we can go fishing.
So I said, sure, I was up for anything. We
had up We head up to Marysville, Washington is where

(19:53):
it was. We get up to Mary's Vale and we
get to his house and you introduces me to his
mom and his dad. They're both real nice, kind of
very contemporary for the for the times, you know, as
far as parents go. And about a half hour later,
his sister comes home. She was a knockout, I mean,

(20:14):
dropped dead gorgeous. I fell in love, I did, and
she kind of fell in love with me too. So
we had this romance going on. And then one day
she comes home in the afternoon says, hey, you too
want to go to a parky tonight out in the
woods with a bunch of my friends. There'll be a
keg of beer, a lot of our goodies. You'll have

(20:35):
a good time. So we go, Yeah, let's go. So
we head out that evening for about a forty five
minute It was at least forty five minute ride on
this dirt road out in the boondocks. I mean, it's
just an old logging road. And at one point the
road stopped and turned to the right, a sharp right,

(20:56):
and so you had this area on the left of
the road. There was like a pullout of some kind.
And I could tell they part there before because there
there chances of stuff around from the last time they
were there, I think.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
And so we pulled in.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
Everybody else had parked facing this right hand turn the
road that went off to the right. Bobby comes up.
We were last line. He comes in and pulls us
a you turn, so he's facing the way we came in,
and so we get out. We start partying. A couple
hours later I ended up back in his car. Well,

(21:35):
I lost the love of my life in the crowd.
I was pretty stone too. So anyways, I'm sitting there
in the car with Bobby. We both got our heads back,
just you know, mumbled, and all of a sudden, we
hear behind us people yelling and screaming, going stick in
and sticking in, get them back out of here, go

(21:56):
get out here. And we hear people jumping in their cars.
I was screaming getting out of her. The guy that
had the keg on the back of his truck. He
peels off, the keg goes falling off. He didn't get
a shit about that. He was gone. And so I've
got my head turned this way and Bobby stapping me
on the shoulder, going, man, dude, look, man, look. I

(22:17):
turned around and right in front of us, about fifty
feet maybe seventy five most of way, were these three creatures.
The one on the far right was about six and
a half maybe seven foot tall, the one in the
middle was about five five and a half feet and
then the big guy, he was a good eight footer,

(22:38):
I know it. He had. He had muscles, I mean
you could see them flex when he moved, and they
were just nonchalantly walking towards us like was no big deal.
The big guy had some kind of a stick or
a club in his hand or something, and you know,
all these people out there yelling stick Indians, Stick Indians,
get out of here, and Bobby and I were looking

(22:59):
at went.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
The stick Indians.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
And then when we turned around and we saw these creatures,
we figured this must be the stick Indians, you know.
And so Bobby reaches down to start the car. He
goes h it just crank it right, He said, you're
getting closer to us, And finally it starts up. Bobby
jams a gear and pulls a U turn, and as

(23:24):
he did, the big guy had this stick or clubbly
kind of raised in his above his head and kind
of threw it at us. Well when we need to say,
we just peeled out of there and got out of there,
and they had a hard time by getting back to
town because that couldn't go back the way they came
because of those creatures. So we had to go out

(23:46):
a different way, and we didn't know where the hell
we were, and all the other cards and split before
we even she's see their tailights anymore. So we get
back into town and I'm talking to anyway. Name was Sally,
and she was telling us that we ought to go
out to the Indian reservation and talk to them, because

(24:06):
we're telling her this can't be real. It's had to
be a joke, you know, she's doing No, it didn't
no joke. People here see them all the time, and
I didn't really at that time. I was like twenty one,
just and i'd been in the navy, saw the world,
but still hadn't been up on current events and stuff
like that. Didn't really think about flying sauthors or spacemen

(24:30):
or any kind of bigfoot drypt and things. So seeking
to myself, now, this was a joke that they were
just putting on for a couple of flatlanders. That was
the best grade or way do I call it, that
I've ever seen, because the costumes were just so real.
I mean we could almost tell. But I would think
you could tell a costume one because of the facial

(24:52):
muscles and stuff like that. These things don't have bangs.
I don't believe because I went back to was like
making noises or something that I could see his mouth
really well, and I didn't see any bangs. It was
just Keith like we have, you know. But he was big,
He was a bruiser of his five muscles were just outrageous.

(25:14):
So I know whatever he's thinking that. You know, when
I tell this story that people say, oh, you're just
hired the kite, that's all. Well, I'll admit that yes
I was, but I wasn't on asset or that I
wasn't loosening. I know what I saw.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
I mean, so I.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Pretty much after telling it to a few people, I
just put telling people about it. And it wasn't until
about ten years ago or so that I remembered this
started coming back to me, you know, Oh yeah, because
I mean, like I say, I had lived many different
lives between that time and now, you know, lived a

(25:53):
lot of different places. I lived in Escaville, California, Newport, Oregon,
Lincoln City, Oregon, Chicago, Galveston, just a lot of different places.
And each one of those places I had, I developed friends.
As good as I have my friends they're today is
as good as I know, Bobby, I knew people in

(26:16):
other times and places, you know, and they're close friends.
But then you move and it's getting old. Is weird?
Let me tell you what, Nick, it's weird.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
Had you heard the term stick Indian before? No?

Speaker 2 (26:30):
I hadn't, And I've still only had one reference to it.
And I because for after I started redoing this. In
my mind, I'm thinking, now Jack can't even contact Bobby.
I have I've lost contact him thirty years ago or
more forty and Sally up there can't remember her name,
but his sister I can't remember, and people see them

(26:54):
all the time. Now what all the time is?

Speaker 1 (26:56):
I don't know?

Speaker 2 (26:57):
That could be once a month, once a year, you know.
But anyways, so Bobby and I did go out to
the res while we were up there and talking to
the Indian chiefs, and the Indians call them Native Americans
or digitous people or something nowadays. But anyways, they said that, yes,

(27:20):
they called them a stick Indians too. Now here's where
it gets real bizarre. They told me that if they
catch you and you have cigarettes, they'll beat you with
the sticks until you give up your cigarettes. Their tobacco smoking,
I guess are true. And I don't know, but now
that really blew me away.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
Well, when you think about it, people have been smoking
and chewing tobacco for generations. So if they're mixed in
with people, and if mimicked the behavior instead, then I'm
sure you know they're up there smoking too.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
I should be.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Yeah, yeah, So what do you think you think I'm paigy?
I think I'm lying.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
I don't think you could either. No, I mean the
term stick Indian. I mean that that goes back to
like folklore, so like further like forest spirits and that
kind of thing. But it's also used as a term
for Native Americans that live live up in the up
in the forest as well. So, but yeah, no, it's
an old term. It's one you don't really hear too much.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Have you heard it before.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
I've heard it before, yeah, within folklore, Yeah sure. Well
I've never heard a guest prefer it though, I've never
heard it from a guest before.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
That's what they call them. It wasn't like they didn't
call them bigfoot. They said stick Indians, you know, And
so that's evidently what their culture. The kids up there,
you know them, as you know, and if it's some
kind of a culture from the Indians, it's worth well
out into a you know community.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
I'd imagine now the location that you you know, you
went to this party in the clear, and I'm guessing
it's probably all built up and long gone by now.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
It's right to say I wouldn't even know how to
find the house that I was staying in up there anymore.
I mean, that's probably all changed too. But you know,
in my memory is definitely not what it used to be.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
I mean, over the years, the whole area around Marysville,
there's plenty of reports and in fact, if you google
Maryville today, there's even places of business that mentioned Bigfoot.
There's a Bigfoot, calf and all there. So obviously there's
still quite a history. Yeah, there's still quite a history there.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Oh yeah, I believe that.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
I mean as far as the big Foot, it's probably
more into that now rather away from the stick Indians.
Anybody don't follow that out there anymore? I don't know,
because but you're right, that is a big example of
more of Washington, I think that area, I.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
Mean, the whole Pacific Northwest famous for its sightings.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
Yeah, it is.

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Speaker 2 (30:57):
I lived in Oregon for a while, never showing you
big up there, but I had a thirty six foot
fishing troller, salmon troller with the outriggers and all that
owned when I was up there for about four years.
The guy that leased me the boat was a lagger

(31:19):
that during the summers when he made most of his
money and during the summers when the salmon run was on.
So he had this boat and he wanted something to
fix for him. So here I was a flat lander
from Chicago in Arizona more or less. Well, no, I
hadn't been there. Well I had done that anyways. You know,

(31:43):
when I first got up there, I got a job
as a puller, and that he's the guy that's on
the back of the boat that sets all the lines.
There's like huge pulleys to a pulley on the left
side that fully on the right there's two pulleys. Actually,
the one is from your deeps that's got like a
forty fifty pound cannonball on it that you' it's on a.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
Wire a steel wire.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
As it goes down, there's these little notches, the brass
notches that you hook a line two and then that
line goes out maybe I don't know, one or two
fathoms behind the boat. And then you just keep lowering it,
put more lines on, quote more lines, and then you
go and do the same name the other side. And

(32:29):
if you're really energetic, you can set your quotes, which
are the ones that goes out to the outriggers at
a pulley and then goes down and they don't go
down to the bottom like the others do. So anyways,
the pollar is the one that does all the settings
of the lines. The captain, all he does is through
the boat. So he releases me this boat and I

(32:51):
remember going out for the first time by myself, and
all I could do. It was all I could do
to get two of the down riggers set and I've
made a fairly good catch brought back in the bumblebee.
And then I hired polers of my own that would
come you know, I'd hire them come on and be
a polar on my boat would go out and I'd

(33:13):
steer and they'd pull of lines. You know, most of
those were women. They made good bowlers. I'll tell you
what I had, real good pullers. That's that's a rough
light up there in Oregon, especially a lot if you're
a fisherman or a logger, because you're the conditions you're
living in aren't always the most hygienic because you know,

(33:38):
you're out in the woods a lot, you're out in
the sea a lot. You don't have a lot of
bathing areas and stuff. And uh, just like I lived
on my boat, when I'd get up in the morning
and put my clothes on, and it's always steel damp
because there's always like odd or something coming in and
rain all the time, it seems. So it takes a

(33:59):
while to get in your clothes and walk around for
them to warm up a bit because they're kind of
damned when you put them on. But it's a rugged light.
I loved it. There's probably some of the one of
the best episodes of my.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Life, you know.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
And how long did you do it?

Speaker 2 (34:12):
For about four years? And then the government kept shrinking
neat amount of days you could fish to where the
point was I couldn't make the police anymore, so I
had to give it up, you know. And the whole
industry took a big hit when that happened. I remember
one time I was fifty foot Canadian built salmon trawler.

(34:34):
It was aluminum, and I was with the skipper that
he says or his wife came up to me on
the dock. She had a plate and there was food
on it and somebody that had been fried or something,
and she says, here, take a bite. I took a
bike and it was the most religious thing I'd ever tasted.
It was fresh tuna that she had battered and dried somehow,

(34:58):
but it was so good. Nothing the can stuff at all.
If you've never had fresh tuning, you know what I'm
talking about. If you haven't, then you don't anyways. So
her husband was going out the next day on a
for a tuner run. I guess the current comes closeted
up to Oregon every I don't know, a couple of

(35:19):
years or sometimes, and then gets within fifty to seventy
five miles or either one hundred miles of Newport. Then
people go out and chase them. When he and I
went out the next day, we got out there. We
left about four o'clock in the morning and got out
there about maybe seven, maybe about seven or eight. The

(35:41):
sun was up coming up by the time he got
out there, but the water was just as flat as
a pancake. I mean, you wouldn't believe it. It's just
you think you're on the lake in sod of the ocean,
and I'm on the back of the boat. He's driving
again on the puller. But what we do is we
have these jigs or artificial baits that run off these

(36:03):
lines that come up the poles, and they all have
tag lines on them. Well, when a tuna hits one,
it goes straight, it goes straight up in the tune
is beetings kind of drugged behind the boat. What you
got to do is take the tagline, bring it over
to the center of the boat. A big aluminum wheel
on a hydraulic and it's rotating it in towards you.

(36:27):
You take the lines, you put it in that in
this groove and this alluminum wheel and it pulls the
fish in for you. All you got to do is
gap it and bring it on board. So we had
had the whole just about. There is still some room
that we could put more, but at six o'clock that evening,
so most of the boats were going to stay out

(36:48):
there and go for another day, but we decided to
head in. Within about an hour of the time that
we left at six o'clock, we were in a massive storm.
The radio and the reason we left. The radio communications
said that there was a squall coming in. Shouldn't be
no big deal, but but just what it was a warning.

(37:11):
So we said that let's not deal with it. We
started heading in and next day, you know, an hour later, boom,
every single way going over the wheelhouse. They was and
this was a sturdy boat too, but it scared the
hell out of me. So anyways, we get we're getting
back towards shore, but we're being blown north. Newport is

(37:32):
there's this little town of Deepot Bay. It's the smallest
bay in the world. You go in, you have to
take a sharp left and then it's sharp right and
then you're into the harbor. But you got a thing
called the bar. That's where they have this jetty that
goes out. It's two jetties music to and I think

(37:52):
deep only they had one at the north. Anyways, we're
going in or get he knew. Skipper says, hey, we're
not gonna be able to make Newport. We'll getting blown
too far north. So do you know you're have you
been to Depot Bay and navigated it? And I go, yeah,
but that was a good weather, you know. He says, well, listen,

(38:16):
I've never been there. I have no idea what's going on.
Take the wheel and we were at this time, we
were only able to stay at the wheel for about
fifteen minutes of peace because we get knocked around so much,
and it's just really tiring and physically demanding fighting the
wheel and all that, you know. So we get in
towards Depot Bay, which we were getting blown towards. And

(38:38):
this guy had two twin diesels, so he's he's got
two throttles. As we got in.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
There, I put the left one.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
In reverse, floored the right one, and I swung the
boat around just barely bumped the wall, the rock wall,
and then went straight and then I did it again
and then popped us into the harbor. Man, I know, Man,
I was so shook up. It was quite the storm.
Of nine boats sank during that storm, and I think

(39:09):
everybody made it. Nobody that died during that incident. The
last guy that was left was like, I guess the
coast garvers doing helicopter flights. From what I am saying,
during that thing, I don't know how they could do it.
But one boat would start sinking, another boat would come
over and get their people onto it, then that one
would be sinking, and another boat did all those people

(39:31):
off until you know, they got everybody out of there
one way or the other. But there was the only
guy that they didn't get that night was the guy
that got into a survival suit. And as this boat
sank and he hung on to.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
A black coodpot.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
A black codpot is a big boi a plastic bowie
and it's strung with line between each each bowie and
there's fat hung out in. That's how they catch those fish. Anyways,
he on the rom those spots all night long, and
the post guy rescued them off at the next morning.
That was one hell of a storm, it really was.

(40:08):
It's a squall, yeah, just a squall, and it's.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
A dangerous job, all right.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
Oh yeah, I have a telescope to my friend Michael,
who went on that trip to Seedory eclipse, I didn't
see that. At the end of that story. When we
went to area fifty one s all the lights. From there,
we went up to just below the Utah border on
that I guess it was a border of Nevada and Utah.

(40:35):
And we stayed at this lake for a couple of
nights or whatever it was. And then from every person
to the Tetons and the Tetons, we went into the
Yellowstone and then when it got close to the eclipse,
street went out the East State and went over to Cody, Wyoming.

(40:56):
Cody is a beautiful little town. I mean, I went
have loved to have growing up there. I mean it's
a real cowboy town, no doubt, but I mean all
the people are just real homey, and I mean no
crime to speak of. You know, a couple of kids
getting drunk on Fridays, but you know, no real crime.
And God blessed those people from me able to live

(41:18):
like that, you know. But anyway, so got just outside
of Cody. There was this big deal by a lake,
and there was a bunch of trailers and tents and
stuff all set up there ready to go. And we
got there two nights later or two days later is
when the eclipse happened. And a solar eclipse is really

(41:38):
cool to see day turns the night he started doing
the chirpings of the crickets. It's just amazing. I mean
we only asked for about three or five minutes. You know,
we're killing.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
Music with it. Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
This guy had Eloyd and this guy had a big trailer.
They hauled all his motor sports bikes and stuff in,
and he had a cured sound system and he's playing
Pete Floyd during that. It was really good. Dark Side
of the Moon, Yeah, Dark Side of the Moon we had.
We particularly complained that they didn't want me to listen
to the music while they watched me clipped. Yeah, who

(42:12):
turned it back up? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (42:15):
I remember that.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
Twenty seventeen, wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
It was, yeah, yeah, twenty seventeen, I believe. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
Then Bob and I went and Mike.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
We went over to a UFO convention in Palm Your
Indian Wells any well, Yeah, Indian Wells in California. This
was in twenty nineteen, I think, yeah, nineteen, maybe twenty, No,
it was twenty nineteen. And while we were there, yeah,
I got to see some heroes, but my people I follow,
I guess you call him Bob Bazaar wasn't there. I'd

(42:46):
love to see him. But he's real private about.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
All that stuff. But the how was there.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
I saw circloub the guy from Ancient Ancient Aliens, got
some pictures of them and me with that selfiest. But
while we were there, they offered to take people out
back in a place where it was kind of a
lot of it was dark back there compared to the
other stuff, and you really couldn't see too much of
the lights of the city. And they had the repliners.

(43:12):
They set you down in a replient, then put a
set of military grid like the night vision goggles on there.
And now, oh man, you know, if you ever get
a chance to look for some of those, there's all
kinds of stuff going on that we can't see. Because

(43:33):
this one star or a little point of light comes
racing out from one side of the sky, and there's
a star there, swings around, it goes scooting back out,
and another one comes in from somewhere else. There's all
kinds of stuff going on up there that we can't
see with our normal vision. You know.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
Yeah, there's a lot going up on it there, right. Yeah,
So you've got a bit of an interest in UFOs anyway,
if you're heading off to the conferences.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
Oh yeah, now I do, yeah, or probably for the
last contact is six eight, ten years something like that.
I've been interested in that. I mean after my experience
with the Big Peep and the UFOs out by Wickenberg
and what Bob and I saw, it's only gotten better because,

(44:20):
I mean more intense to me, because I know that
it's there now. It's not something that I've heard from somebody.
It's not thirdhand knowledge. Ignore, it's first hand knowledge. You know,
five thousand dollars from Yeah, well they were expensive those,
but I've got a set now that it's it's a
cheap one, but I still pick stuff up in the

(44:42):
sky with it. Not as intense, not as clear as
the other ones, the military grade ones.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
But it's still pretty pretty good.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
Actually, now, Rob, looking back, what convinces you most about
what you saw was real and it wasn't a prank.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
The appearance of the creatures. I mean they were so animated.
I mean, if somebody has a mask of a big
foot on their lips started king to move just like
humans would or animals would, their eyes don't move the same.
I don't think maybe if they had cutouts and their
own eyes were in there maybe, but everything was just
so blended together, I mean, the muscles and the man

(45:22):
or the I think he was a boy. I'm not sure.
It could have been an old girl, but the little
girl or a little boy, and the mother. The mother
had he wasn't he didn't have hair around her kiddies
and her upper abdomen. It was kind of a grayish peak,
kind of a skin underneath the boy.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
Well, both of.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
These two look kind of skinny, true, didn't look real.
Evidently the big guy was getting the biggest air of
all the meals, because you're he wasn't sending, you know,
shaving that much for his wife and his kid.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
I mean a way, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
It just seemed kind of weird to me that this
one guy'd be so big enough, and that was kind
of thin peak of looking. But yeah, just the way
they looked, I mean, and the way the people, the
way the people acted, I mean, it wasn't my fere
laughing and joking and snickering or anyway. There is real

(46:17):
fear in these people. And when they're pulling out, the
guy peels out with just a cater. Now, granted he
could have come back later and got it if it
was a joke, but I just don't think it was.
I think it was real. I think think what I
saw is what I think I saw. Well.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
Also, you'd think that if it was a prank, they
wouldn't be free of them. Someone wouldn't. They wouldn't be
free people dressed up, because I'm guessing that to have
these costumes made would be quite expensive. So you're guessing
if it was a prank, it would just be maybe one.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
Right, I mean, Hollywood should do almost anything with filmed
these days. But in person, if these were costumes, they
were the best that Hollywood's ever produced, you know. And
I can't see a bunch of high school kids and whatnot,
and not high school but then college kids putting together
that kind of money to buy these suits. You know,

(47:09):
I just don't see that happen.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
Especially with the reaction of everyone that was around you.
And what by the shape of their heads were the proportions.
Did it look more human or more animal?

Speaker 2 (47:19):
The head was really kind of more human. I mean
didn't have a snout like a bear or a coyote
or a wolf or anything. It had a regular flat
based kind of like we have. Like I say, you
could see the teeth, and they were all like kind
of flat. I mean, there wasn't no thangs. I noticed
that right off the bat because I'm doing you mo.

(47:40):
But they was the little boy or a little girl
or whatever. It was the way that they would kind
of crouch behind the mother, you know, like I don't know,
just the actions of them were just spectacular.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
As far as if it was a joke, it.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Was acting, it was just great, But I really don't
think it was. I know what I saw it was real.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
What about the color of the hair, the hair texture.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
Yes, it was. It was kind of long and it
was red, but a definite red color, that brown, that black,
that white, maybe ochre or something. And the head, well
I would say they had I really couldn't tell if
they were conical, you know, elongated or come to a
peak at the top, because I couldn't get that view

(48:28):
from the side from them, but look at them straight on,
I didn't really see that as a big feature. Well now,
I didn't really think about thinking about the head being
conical at the time. Anyways. Of course, I'd never even
thought about Bigfoot when this happened. You know, I had
no idea. I was total virg into it all, you know,

(48:51):
I mean being and just getting out of the Navy
and whatnot. I had a very sheltered light. I mean,
you know, I spent a lot of my time I'm
on base, but I wasn't on duty. I didn't have
a house when I lived on Okawa, off base, a
little apartment that I shared with this a little seventeen
year old okandawhen the students that she also worked at

(49:15):
the co Cola bole factory on the island. That she
made thirty eight cents an hour and it ghost down
the road. Oh yeah, I should. Oh you want to
hear another story?

Speaker 3 (49:26):
Oh yes, please, sir.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
I was living with this chick on Okadaw and I
had a Carmen d. At the time, the carman Gay
was broke down, so I was having to take cabs
into work. I worked the night ship from midnight to
tell what seven eight in the morning or something like that,
and or six or I forget when I got off. Anyways,
going to work, I would just walk out of my apartment,

(49:47):
walk down the road and then there's always cabs going by.
I just tailed cab down and take it and go
take that to the main main gate, get out of
that and take take another cab to wherever I was
going on. But it was this one night I walked
down there and I was standing there waiting to fight
down a cab, and I looked to my left and

(50:08):
I see this Japanese girl, Ok, down girl, all dressed
up in the kimoa and the thing the spikes in
me in the air, and the wooden shoes and all
that stuff. I mean, this is only They only really
wear those for special occasions, weddings, and you know, don't
know what, but it's a special occasion kind of a thing,

(50:31):
and you never see one just out standing on the
street under.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
A light, you know. So anyways, as.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
A cab starts coming along and I'm waving them down, well,
she was probably maybe twenty feet away, maybe thirty. As
soon as I put my hand up to wave, I
noticed how the corner of my eye she's coming towards me.
And it was kind of a floating action. It wasn't
a walking chap chop chop chop chop. It was it

(51:00):
was quick. I mean, next thing I know, she's standing
next to me, and the cab driver stops and says,
Haku hayakuku, hurry up. Hurry up, let's go, I says,
jump to my tee at the Massian girl.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
Let the girl go. And he looks at me.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
He says, noting, Maissan, what what girl? I says, what
do you mean what girl? This one here at that point,
you know, now, all this time, I have my hand
on the rear door handle. She has her hand on
top of mine, keeping me from opening it. And so
the cab driver just eventually says, I'm not to walk, Katy,

(51:39):
kitty pot you know you're crazy, and he drives off.
So I'm standing there looking at this female, and I
just turned to the right and I started walking a
real fast pace the other way. And I probably walked
for a couple a minute, maybe two minutes before I
even turn it around. And when I did, she was gone,

(52:00):
nowhere to be seen. That was one of the most
spooky things I've ever had in my life. That was
probably as spooky as the big pat That was prob.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
She looked completely solid.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
Oh, yes, she was very solid. She had her hand
on my hand. You know, it was kind of cold,
too true.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
But you could see the hund Yes.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Oh, and we've met I met her a second time.
A friend of mine we were going. We were going
scuba diving down the north end of the island one time.
I had a fifty four at the time and or no,
a Plymouth fifty plymouth. We're going up this hill and
as we get to the time, this is light at night,
maybe one two in the morning, free we did, getting

(52:44):
towards the top of the hill, and all of a
sudden there's this woman in the comona and all I
get up standing there in the middle of the bucket
or right on my side of the road, and so
I hit the brakes and just almost hit her when
we so now she's in front of our car, she
drops just drops down. The baby. Well, we bought it out,

(53:06):
go around what maybe were here? It was, what was
going on, she was gone. There was nobody there, I
mean nobody, and we both saw it.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
Yeah, that was That was another That was.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
The first time, because the first time really took me
off guard, but that second time was just pretty bad too.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
That's an interesting one that you know in Asia, they
when it comes to the paranormal and ghosts and spirits
and stuff, it's kind of intertwined in the culture. So
a lot of times you'd see this thing in Southeast
Asia where they have what's called a spirit house. So
these look like kind of glorified bird tables. They're all

(53:48):
painted and pretty, and they've got all these little figures
and offerings where they where they put like drink and
food and all that kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
Yeah, yeah, I know, it's yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
So and the idea these to stop wandering spirits. So
they don't want basically ghosts coming into the house. So
they give them these houses and give them offerings to
keep to appease them.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Okay, I see when when I told the story too,
they have the guiche houses, but a lot of bars
ok now at the time because the military bases and
all that. So you know, you get to know certain
of the women, the hostesses, and that there's different classes

(54:30):
of hostessing. You got some of their actually prostitutes, some
that just will serve drinks and that's it. Others will
just talk and that's it. So anyways, I had this
couple of bars i'd go to that I knew most
of the gals in there, and I told them the
story one time about the girl coming out.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
Of my where I left my apartment.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
They wouldn't get anywhere near me after that. They said
Mudgie Moon, Mudgey Moon, and as long as to find
out who Mudgie Moon was. Mudgie Moon was supposedly an
Oakan Island girl that fell in love with her. This
was after the war, shortly after the war. But they
both jumped off the cliff together in a suicide pack

(55:14):
because of the parents of the girl and I don't
know what else. But anyways, so they think that they
thought that that was Mudgie Moon, and they didn't want
to I walked in the bar and they all should
see at the side of the bar.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
It was funny.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
So you got to watch her. You tell these stories
to it, you know, because you never know what the
person's reaction.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
You never know. Wonderful stuff. Well, thank you for sharing
all that today. It's a shame we didn't get Bob
on as well.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
Maybe next time.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
Maybe next time. Now, what you two could do is
you could probably start your own podcast.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
Well, I have a YouTube channel, it's Robin Roy Coleman
at Hot Rocks forty seven. But I don't run maintain
it because I don't give a lot of people hitting
on it. I think it's people just don't know about it.
But I have to probably put money up and advertise
and stuff to get people going to it. But if

(56:13):
you can go on there, and if you if you're
listening to some of my songs either on YouTube or
on Facebook Facebook, it's Robin Roy Cole and it's my page.
I've got the most up to date stuff on there
posted on on my page, so you can that would
be the best place to hear my music.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
Yeah, oh shut that out today, don't you worry? And
Robot put all your links in the description and on
the website for this episode.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
Cool. So how many of my friends are going to
hear this?

Speaker 2 (56:43):
I don't even know how many people with people I
know would listen to it, but I'm mentioned, so I'm well.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
Rob and Bob, I really appreciate you both coming on
and sharing all this sort of listeners. Take care of
yourselves and we will speak soon.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Okay, all right, thank you bye for now.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
Well that's all for this episode. Keep updated and connected
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for sharing tonight, and thank you all for listening. I
will be back next week. Till then, stay safe and
keep watching the skies. Goodbye,

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