Alien Abductions, Giant Rock, and UFO Secrets with Chad Meeks

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bring my guest on, Chad Meeks. What's going on? My
friend Derek.

Speaker 5 (03:26):
I guess it's Buenos tardes in Mexico. Good afternoon here.
I guess it's ten o'clock in on the coast and
you are over around twelve o'clock. But anyway, happy to
be here, Derek.

Speaker 4 (03:36):
Twelve o'clock noon. Judging by the title of your book
and upcoming film, Giant Rock, the greatest UFO story never told,
the audacity, the greatest UFO story that no one's heard,
never told. What's up with the title?

Speaker 6 (03:54):
Man, oh man, you know.

Speaker 5 (03:56):
Actually it was an actor friend of mine at the
time that says, hey, man, this is the greatest UFO
story that has never been told. And I said, well,
let's stick it on the book cover, and let's stick
it out on the movie and we'll call that the
subtitled Giant Rock the greatest UFO story they never told.
But in essence, Giant Rock, which is a nine foot
or excuse me, nine story displaced boulder out in the

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middle of desert, were actually carved out where my aunt, uncle,
distant relatives, me all used to live in out in
the middle of nowhere, about forty two miles outside of
Palm Springs.

Speaker 6 (04:32):
But it's a giant rock, and every year there was
anywhere from.

Speaker 5 (04:36):
Five to twelve thousand people that all came out there,
All people who experienced UFO abduction, had sightings, you name it.
They all came out there and congregated a place called
Giant Rock. And during the fifties and the sixties and
in the seventies it was the definitive meeting place for
all UFO contactees. So and a lot of strange and

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weird things happened. Some of the people that were involved
out there were people like Howard Hughes, which was a
friend of my uncle, which you know, the Aviator actually
put money up for some of my uncle's research on
time travel, and and a lot of interesting people, the
whole a whole colossal amount of things. And you know,
as time went on, you know, and as I got older,

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I lived out there and I experienced all this stuff.
I'm and I'm thinking, and I was talking all the
old timers which were dying off one by one. I said, hey,
I better get this in print and I and even
better want to get it on film.

Speaker 4 (05:30):
So with having all these people show up to essentially
where you guys were living, right, So these people were
just around every day we.

Speaker 6 (05:41):
Were living there. Yeah, they're living out there.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
Awesome and awkward at the same time. Because I think
in the field, because I get I get a flood
of in boxes and messages different people. Some of them
are hard to put together. They hard to make sense
of what these people are trying to say. Sometimes were
there just a lot of people who were just there

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because it's a place for people with weird experiences to
be accepted, or I mean, what type of people were
hanging around?

Speaker 3 (06:12):
It was.

Speaker 5 (06:12):
It was a safe place, and actually it ran the
gamut from celebrities to normal people.

Speaker 6 (06:18):
But everyone felt safe.

Speaker 5 (06:19):
And actually one of the things that my uncle did,
George van Tassel, which I you know, actually he probably
was the number one UFO disclosure mover and shaker during
that time period. Airline pilots and military pilots. I'd be
out there in the middle of you know, we're out
in the middle of nowhere. I mean, you know, we're
there's tumble wee's and I mean there's nothing out there. Well,

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I see military planes and helicopters out at my uncle's
restaurant all sitting around back time. Everyone smoked cigarettes and
drank coffee and sitting around tables talking and I didn't
figure out what they were. I didn't know what they
were doing there, but I guess what he was there
was a safe place is my uncle. He had such
a huge information and was an experiencer and a channel

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or himself that he actually explained to them their experiences
so they could actually deal in the real world. Because
I don't know if you remember at that time, if
you were to report a that you had actually seen
a sighting or experience, you were out of a job
and they had no one to talk to.

Speaker 6 (07:20):
So he really was a really.

Speaker 5 (07:22):
Kind of a a UFO humanitarian too as far as
helping all those folks.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
That's interesting you say that, kind of like this podcast
has kind of been like a beacon as well to
kind of be a place where you can you can
talk about these encounters and instance instances because when I
was first having my UFO encounters, I didn't really have
many people to talk to. My friends thought I was crazy.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
You know.

Speaker 4 (07:46):
I would come from the religious right, so anything that's
that's out there that's not mentioned of per name in
the Bible is demonic, right, So I'm going around to
my church friends and stuff talking about in UFOs and
having encounters like this, right. So I basically reached out
to a whole bunch of different people who had their

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own radio shows I know James Gillilan at the East
SETI Ranch. I reached out to him and some of
his people and calling, calling into radio shows just to
try to make sense about what's going on. So when
people are having these encounters and they have no idea
how to explain it, if they're going crazy or what,
a place of solitude is needed, whether it's a physical

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place that you guys had, or a place like this
like a podcast for people to come on and share
their stories, just to know at the very minimum that
they're not going crazy and they're not losing their mind exactly.

Speaker 6 (08:42):
In fact, you know, I appreciate that because.

Speaker 5 (08:45):
You know what, you know, we our family was split,
you know, with my mother was coming from this very
judaic Christian In fact, you'll love if you get in
the book, you're gonna you're gonna identify with the character
I called Chase because Chase and his encounter with Pastors Jack,
which chases me. And I was trying to explain to
Pastor Jack what all this was going on, and he

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basically held up the Bible and told me the same thing.

Speaker 6 (09:10):
He read me the right Act. He says, there are
no such things as UFOs.

Speaker 5 (09:13):
There's only demons and you're possessed and I'm sitting there
going you know, and so that kind of shut me down.
Now my uncle, people say, well, why don't you go
to him? I thought he was causing all this stuff
and he was the last person.

Speaker 6 (09:25):
Wanted to talk to. I lived here because I didn't know.
I didn't know what was going on.

Speaker 5 (09:29):
And so yeah, it was for me, it was, you know,
a pretty traumatic thing. And then not to be able
to talk to it with family or anybody, it makes
your head want to implode.

Speaker 6 (09:38):
It's tough, Yeah, it really is.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
It's deep, man, because I don't know why. But as
you're talking about this, I really feel like people it
almost has the same sense of and I hate I
hate the equated to this, but like someone who's been
molested or someone who's been touched or something like, they're
ashamed to talk about it. They don't want to come

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out in the open. You can't just go to anybody
and say, hey, did you know that this happened to me?
You're kind of ashamed. And so a lot of people
keep that stuff, you know what I'm saying, within them,
and then they hear about stories like yours or mine
or whatever, and then it creates this safe haven. And
I think kind of the link back to the whole
molestation thing is like what we're seeing now with celebrities

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coming forward saying yeah, I was I was molested, I
was touched or whatever, and not everybody's coming forth, not
everybody's doing it, almost like what the whole deal with
the UFO phenomenon. Now celebrities are coming out, I've had
a UFO encounter, I've seen a ship, and it creates
this safe space where it's okay to talk about this stuff.
And I think it's really important. Man.

Speaker 5 (10:44):
It is well also too when you talk about you know,
there's other things called like psychic molestation too, where literally
your shakras are completely blown out and literally you know
you don't know what's you know, you know what end
is up. But here's an example. I mean, your whole
perception chain ages. Once you have that, you're changed for
life indelibly. Like for instance, I remember I had a

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balloon and I was with some family members and the
balloon got away from me and they go, why aren't
you crying, little boy? And I said, listen, I said,
my my father, he's going to come up. He's going
to fly up there and grab that balloon. I actually
believed that. I said, I said people, and I tell
him I was looking at a group of people. People
can fly. And yet they kind of snickered and they're
all kind of laughing at me. They just didn't understand

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that I knew that people could fly.

Speaker 6 (11:30):
Now they didn't know.

Speaker 5 (11:31):
But that's just the prime example as far as your perception,
as far as it's completely different it is.

Speaker 4 (11:37):
It's it's yeah, it's awarded to each person a measure
of faith, and so you're basically limited to your perception.
And so when you're talking about flying, I mean, that's
something that's very interesting. We see a lot of the
religious art from the popes flying around town like in
their art throughout the centuries, and that was something that

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was reportedly the hopes used to do. Used to go
out into the town squares and levitate and fly around,
and I know it was. It was so common that
they ended up making a movie about it called the
Flying Nun, a woman's whose whose faith was so extraordinary
that she couldn't even stay seated on the ground. They
had to like tire to a chair and nail it
to the ground because she kept flying away because of

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her faith and she believed that it was possible. And
to them that believe all things are possible.

Speaker 5 (12:27):
Right, absolutely, Sally phil And I remember the show who
Could You Know? As far as that No, yeah, and
actually that that's that's a that's a good point you
bring up, because that, if anything, I got from all
that stuff, which instantly was traumatic for me because it
set me apart. And and literally the science of actually
starting to find out your DNA changes once you've encountered

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and extra treassure your actual DNA and they and they
called then they called the psychic antenna that you get
so and so you actually know when things are going
to be happening and all that stuff and people and
well how do you know? Well, another little story I
had is is that there was a big jelly bean contest.

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There's a whole trash can full of jelly beans that
I was at this wreck uh thing around eleven eleven
years old, and and you had to guess the amount
of come closest to the amount of jelly beans, and
uh and a number just came my head of this
and it just came ahead and it was to the letter.
And then there was a big meaning because no one

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could understand how I knew the exact number. They thought
that one of the you know people had given me
the number. So so it brings all kinds of interesting
things and challenges, you know, to you because people don't
know how, how or why you know, and and and
it's like you know, and then you don't even know,
and then you question yourself.

Speaker 6 (13:51):
So it runs a whole gamut.

Speaker 5 (13:52):
So I certainly I have I'm very empathetic with, you know,
people who have actually had contacts. I've done you know,
a lot of counting over over the years as far
as with them just to basically chat with them, talk
and walk them through let them know that that they're okay.
And the bottom line is that they have a right
to basically tell somebody else about their experiences without any

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kind of dispersion.

Speaker 6 (14:15):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, And and and.

Speaker 4 (14:18):
That right there. Because I've done some some sessions as well,
whether it's people who have like childhood trauma and wounds
like that, or who have had uh extraterrestrial encounters as well.
And I think the majority of just simply doing a
session or something like that, or trying to bring healing
or understanding is just being there for them to talk to.

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Like the majority of this of the sessions is just
listening and having a safe place where hey, it's okay
to talk about this stuff.

Speaker 6 (14:48):
Well, it's kind of like plutonium.

Speaker 5 (14:50):
I mean, you're carrying around, you're really carrying around a
lot of the information, uh, you know, of the ages,
and it is the information is of a different dimension
even though you know, you know, we live in a
three D world and you know where it's all about
the fuck and this and this and this, and then
you have this completely other abstraction of the whole UFO phenomenon.

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And it's like it's like carrying plutonium or uranium inside
of you. It's like, you know, he just has to
get out and you have to express it. I think
a lot of people have had all kinds of very
difficult psychological problems by not revealing to other people about this.

Speaker 6 (15:28):
Now.

Speaker 5 (15:29):
Doctor John Mack, he was a Harvard psychiatrist and he
did a lot of work with this, and he never
ever wanted to go into into the whole you know,
contact the UFO.

Speaker 6 (15:39):
He was out of Harvest.

Speaker 5 (15:41):
He was a psychiatrist, award winning psychiatrist anyway, So he
figured as far as on the abduction side, that it
was anywhere from up to between the years nineteen fifty
five and sixty five that there were two million people
abducted here. So the numbers are staggering. And and actually
his numbers are I think they're concerned as far as

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what the actual contact that people are having with with
with both benevolent ets and the more sinister or or
or demonic type uh type type.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
Yeah, there's like a bunch of places that we can go,
especially with that statement, but I want to go back
to the beginning. Man, talk a little bit about some
of the first encounters that you've had with the other realms,
like as a child.

Speaker 6 (16:26):
Well, actually, and and you know it's it's uh.

Speaker 5 (16:29):
I come from a you know, Judea Christian you know
background and all that pretty uh And so I was
the first one. This is where it all opened up,
is I literally stood on top of the my grandmother's
old trailer and I was and I was just four
years old, you know, asking about just starting to find
out about God, which is a pretty advanced from the years.
And and I looked up my hands, I put a

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prayer and I said, I said, hey, if if there's
a God, then please call my name. And I mean
within that second, I had this blasting going in my ears.
It was like sound like trumpets, you know, calling my
name and and and so yeah, tell that to a
psychiatrist anyway.

Speaker 6 (17:08):
Anyways, so what did I do.

Speaker 5 (17:11):
I was on top of this little airstream trailer and
my grandmother had a bunch of scraps and boxes. I jumped,
I flew off that little airstream tailor onto there and
I ran into the house and I hid underneath my
grandmother's bed.

Speaker 6 (17:23):
So that was my first experience. And then from there
it was boom boom boom.

Speaker 5 (17:26):
And shortly thereafter I had an actually uh an abduction experience.
I was teleported through a glass window UH in the
same room with two of my brothers.

Speaker 6 (17:35):
I was brought in. They were the very very the
short grays.

Speaker 5 (17:39):
They stood around me and they were communicating with me
telepathically and doing their instrumentation and investigation, telling me not
to worry, that I would never remember this, and that
that they had that they had a job to do,
and that I need to relax and be calm, which
you know, again a big request uh A number one

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and ever forgot it, you know, the experience, you know,
I remembered I woke up with a severe high temperature
and I also stuttered profusely. I couldn't keep and it
lasted for about six months. I couldn't speak. So it
had rattled my world. And uh, they and then you know,
that was the first, and and that the the The
abductions kept on occurring till I was about ten years old,

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primarily out in the desert, and then actually even in
the city you know where we where, you'd have laps
time where you know, people would literally come up missing,
you know, I come up missing and what have you. So,
so that was a whole history of it. The the
towards the end, I stopped letting them. Uh you know,
I refused to be abducted. In fact, I was on
a swing set one time and they and telepathically.

Speaker 6 (18:43):
It was very it was a great day. I couldn't
see the ship and.

Speaker 5 (18:46):
They kept on saying, yeah, come with us, come with us,
and I go, no, I'm not coming this time.

Speaker 6 (18:51):
And so they started to pull my swing all the
way up, you know, and so my feet.

Speaker 5 (18:56):
Were actually flying the air and my hands literally got
blood hanging on and I'm not going. I'm not going,
I'm not going. And then it came right back down
and that was the last time I was ever physically
abducted for a while.

Speaker 6 (19:09):
Yeah, so that was it. So I did refuse, but
before that, I'd have missing time. Uh.

Speaker 5 (19:13):
This also too ran in parallel with my cousins and
brothers and sisters. There was a whole cluster of of
h of these kind of abductions. Some were more mistif
mistevious than others. Uh and uh, but for the most part,
no one died. My my cousins psychologically, they ended up.
I had one cousin actually end up killing himself because

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he couldn't handle all the uh, you know, sensations and
all this stuff. He was just one gigantic vortex of
uh uh you know the stuff, and he eventually just
couldn't handle him more so he left the Europe. So
I was really satisfied that that was my uncle's uh,
that was my uncle's grandson, Sean and so. But yeah,
but his went on. His never stopped. So yeah, his
inductions never stopped.

Speaker 4 (19:56):
So, Yeah, you talked about being a young man praying,
asked talking to God and say, if you're real show
me that you're real. You hear a voice in your
inner ear scares the mess out of you. There's a
I think there's a connection there because I have, you know,
similar story of trying to find out if God is real,

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and for some reason, these et beings are kind of connected.
There's spaceships, there's ships that are in the night sky,
that are in the day sky that communicate with you telepathically.
That sound just like you were describing that voice that
you heard as a kid when you're looking up to
the sky praying absolutely.

Speaker 5 (20:41):
In fact, my uncle has a description which I you know,
it's funny. I go to some of his books, you know,
he was a very prolific writer, and he was explaining
that they that some of the aliens or group Aliens,
they use a thing called an edophone, and that when
then they watch us from a very long distance, they
can see our every move and at times they basically
will send an omnibing with a message inside of your head.

Speaker 6 (21:03):
And that's how that that that's and you.

Speaker 5 (21:05):
Know, but when you're when you're when you're young and
what have you, you don't know that you know, everything's
pretty simple. You know, there's God, Jesus, et cetera, et cetera.
You just think everything's coming from God, but it could
have you know, it was. It was in fact a
message that yeah, uh, you know these beings to you know,
basically embrace that. So that's what started it, and that's
what starts this whole physical transformation as far as that.

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Whenever you have communication with the super sensible world, it
changes you. It changes your DNA. So that's kind of
what happened.

Speaker 6 (21:34):
That was. And even no matter how far I'd want
to run away or hide from any of this stuff.

Speaker 5 (21:39):
That's the other thing too, is that, yeah, yeah, you
may you can run, but you can't hide. And and
and I used to sit my uncle was on the television.
I used to sit with my buddies. And this is
back in the you know, when I kind of got
a little bit older, you know, sixteen seventeen years old.

Speaker 6 (21:56):
My uncle would come on.

Speaker 5 (21:57):
TV and talk about all this stuff on Discovery Under
or whatever. And uh, you know, amidst the partying at
stew everyone goes, oh, wow, this is the coolest thing
I ever heard in my life.

Speaker 6 (22:08):
And I and I just sat there. Yeah, I did
not want to go into it at all with them.

Speaker 5 (22:14):
So it's going to because I was so caught up
and trying to be uh normal, you know, So it
was yeah, and but normal that normal wasn't for me,
no matter how how hard. And but also to in
my career, you know, I mean listen, I ran around
gas companies of uh you know, done investment banking. I've
been on the financial world and all that stuff. But
it wasn't until I got you older and a little

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bit more relaxed subject matter. And now I don't I
don't have to hide any of this. I can basically
be direct and I and kind of let all this
stuff go. And I did so with both the book
and a screenplay.

Speaker 4 (22:47):
So yeah, talking about the different good and bad aliens
or good and bad ets or angels and demons, whatever
we want to categorize the mass back in the the
eighties for me, But you know, even before you heard
all of these, I guess the nineties to the abduction

(23:08):
stories where people were taking aboard ships and done all
this this work too, and experimented on and cut open
and had stuff put in their bodies and a very horrific,
terrifying experience. Right, listening to the majority of what I
consider et contact cases now we don't really hear the

(23:31):
term abduction anymore, like people were taken against their will.
It's almost like there's a longing within people to touch
the divine or to know that something out there that's
you know, godlike or greater than themselves exists. And so
whenever people are having contact now, they're calling themselves contact
these versus I was taken against my will and things

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like that has And I know some people, you know,
we mentioned James Gillillen talked about that a lot of
these bad e t S or the bad Grays are
kind of phasing out. What do you feel as far
as the difference between where we started with the abduction
scenarios to where we are today.

Speaker 5 (24:13):
Well, there's there's two schools of thought and and I
and I and I don't know definitively.

Speaker 6 (24:19):
I just have an opinion.

Speaker 5 (24:20):
You know, I think our government was involved in a
lot of this stuff too, and I and I think
that I think the Grays might have been a creation
of that for them gathering additional you.

Speaker 6 (24:31):
Know, data and c.

Speaker 5 (24:32):
And that might have been a deal, uh, you know,
with that Eisenhower made, you know, with with the Grays
for technology transfers. So I think that that was the
given and and and so it subsided. Now along with that,
there there is protective like the Nordics and some of
the other they're protective and they're they're they're the watchers
and they basically watch over and not allow us to

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get you know, completely hammered. So there, I I did
sense that that that feeling of that of that goodness
or divinity that was around me protecting you.

Speaker 6 (25:04):
So but I did feel it.

Speaker 5 (25:06):
But at the same time, what I was seeing, and
you know, it was just so surreal and made no
sense at all comparatively to my you know, you know,
you know, to my regular world is just really it's
a phenomenon that it's so hard to describe, you know.
I also I've also had some very very extraordinary experiences.

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One one I was brought and I believe that they
were with divine entity. They showed me, they showed me
how everything works as far as that they showed.

Speaker 6 (25:37):
They brought me to this colorful.

Speaker 5 (25:39):
Molecular wall, and you know, and I was very very
depressed at you know, twelve and thirteen years old, and
you know, I was I was contemplating killing myself too.
But I was whisked off to this place and shown
and said, hey, look, and they showed me a bright
light and he says, well, and it was way down low,
and he says, this is where you're at now, he says,

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you know, he says, And then they showed me a
light which was higher and more the lights were radiant,
he says, And this is he says, And this is.

Speaker 6 (26:09):
Where you need to go before you leave the earth. Okay,
this is where you need to be.

Speaker 5 (26:13):
He says, don't And I was told, don't ever think
about taking your life ever.

Speaker 6 (26:18):
Because this is what your destiny is to do. Not
get in a way with this.

Speaker 5 (26:22):
So so yeah, from that part, you know the strength
I mean there, I mean, granted I had some bad ones,
but I also had some really good ones. I also
had spontaneous healings.

Speaker 6 (26:30):
Yeah, you know too. So I mean I've had, uh,
you know, one.

Speaker 5 (26:35):
Time for some reason, I was attacked and I had
had almost two inch boils all over my body and
I literally had had the messengers tell me to basically
just get getting a warm bath, turn off the light
and count backwards and breathe, and so I did it,
and then I had this out of body experience that
went up and I went through and I saw all
the panoramic universes and all the multi multiversesvizations brought through

(27:01):
the whole thing, and uh, and then I was at
and I kept on going through the various wormholes, and
then I was asked. I said, Okay, now you're gone
too far. You have to turn back now, or you're
going to come up here. And I said, no, I
need to go back with my wife and my children.
And I was brought back immediately. Well, you know, one
of the things that happened was all there was no

(27:23):
evidence of the boils and I had a whole bunch
of them that they're all gone, and I was completely
cured of it. But the experience is like indelible in
my brain, you know, as far as that as far
as what it is out there in the universe.

Speaker 6 (27:34):
And there's countless universes.

Speaker 4 (27:36):
So yeah, talking about that the Grays may have been
working with the government, or that the Grays may be
some people say these type of suits or robots. You
hear all kind of stuff about these theories. When we're
talking about the early abduction phenomenon. There's a lot of

(27:59):
people who, like you say, believe it's that the government
have something to do with it, because they wake up
on a ship or in some weird room and they
look around and there's these gray alien like beings that
are operating on them, messing with them, poking them, prodding them,
things like that, and they look over in the corner
and there's a man dressed in military garb. And so

(28:21):
there's something called the my lab abductions military induced abductions,
where for me, I definitely think it's used to cause
fear in hysteria in the community with as far as abductions. Therefore,
if you see a UFO, if you see a bright
light in the night sky, you won't try to signal it,
you won't try to make contact with it, because people

(28:41):
are doing that now. People are making contact with these
ships and these beings that are out there, and there's
a fear in hysteria there, especially with the movies and
stuff like that that came out and that time. So
talk a little bit about the my lab stuff. Do
you have any more info or have you ever seen
any anybody who is a part of the government on
these craft and things like that.

Speaker 5 (29:02):
Well, I personally have not but I'm you know, I
will interject something, you know, back even you know, during
World War Two, the food fighters were over the UH,
over the channel, and it was scaring Churchill out of
his mind because all these airplane pilots would come back
and explain what they were seeing or seeing you know,
ships that were you know, right outside their window and
and and actually going inside their planes, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 6 (29:26):
I mean some of the phenomenon was just going on,
and so it was very confusing.

Speaker 5 (29:29):
So he actually had talked extensively with Roosevelt and then
later Truman about about, hey, what if everyone you know
knows that that we're not alone here, then people stopped
going to church, and they'll stop paying taxes, and they'll
stop supporting the government. And that's the biggest fear because really,
I think if people knew their connection this outer super

(29:51):
sensible world, I think the whole narrative would change in
our lives. I think that the cycle paths that are
running this UH world, and I think I think they're
kind of either walk ins or or or or bred
ins or whatever.

Speaker 6 (30:05):
It makes no sense with all the you know.

Speaker 5 (30:09):
Uh, just just evil that's going on when there's when
there's so much that we have and that we can
easily share and everyone would be happy. Instead, we live
in a world where you know, zero point one percent
control everything and and and all this uh and and
all these people are occupied with various gadgets in various stuff,
and they don't get the real heart of stuff, you know,

(30:30):
which is our connection and our legacy. And this is
the most important thing about it. This is our legacy.
These are like family members that you know, we are
connected to this whole multi multiverse, you know. And it's
not synthetic, it's you know, it's not uh, you know,
they're trying to introduce you know, AI, you know, technology,
et cetera section which I think are our remnant of

(30:51):
the Grays.

Speaker 6 (30:52):
You know, it's there's something. There's just something off, including
the other the one.

Speaker 5 (30:56):
The other step was The Men in Black, which you
know I I saw, you know, you see the cartoon,
you know, movies and shows which are you know, led
to distract you.

Speaker 6 (31:06):
And I And as I'm watching that, I had a
I had a.

Speaker 5 (31:10):
Neurosurgeon whose dad worked with my uncle on time travel,
and he had actually witnesses the Men in Black.

Speaker 6 (31:15):
Now this guy uh, very very very renowned neurosurgeon.

Speaker 5 (31:21):
Contact he was talking and and and the men in
black came to his house and told his father, who
was a scientist, who was a physicist, to stop working
with George van Tassel or that they'd come back and
kill the entire family. Well, you know, that's kind of
real stuff that that that I have been accustomed to.
And they say the men in black are also military
agents also, so again this is all conjecture. And I

(31:44):
you know, we're getting more and more stuff. But you know,
I just know, you know, when I talk to people,
and based on my own experiences and things like that,
when I hear something about you know, the labs and
you know, all that stuff, it adds credibility to it.

Speaker 4 (32:00):
Definitely. Whenever you first came out talking about this stuff,
you know, you know, I think kind of how we
talked about a while ago, how people are freaked out,
they don't have nobody to talk to things like that.
You kind of come from a place where it was
okay to talk about this stuff and it was welcomed
and even applauded. I guess with your uncle, right, people
are like he's almost like a celebrity. So whenever you

(32:22):
started talking about it, did you get any backlash? Was
were you embraced, were you trying to piggyback off of
his legacy? What type of feedback did you get on
the early days of just talking about this stuff.

Speaker 5 (32:34):
Well, you know, I've been talking the old timers, and
of course, you know, you know, for for a long
long time, and I don't even know. In fact, I've
had a lot of very weird experiences. I had a
group out of San Diego and I was living in Utah.
Time called me up, says, listen, we want to start
your uncle's ministry and get this thing going. So they
flew me out to San Diego and wanted me to

(32:56):
restart that whole thing. And at the time, I was
running mining company and I was in the material world,
and I said, hey, you got the wrong guy. I said, hey,
let me give you some money, let me do somebody.
I don't I don't want to be that guy, you know,
as far as that, So I've kind of had a connection,
but I just kind of when I came out, everyone
started warning me, is aren't you afraid?

Speaker 6 (33:14):
And I go, you know, listen, you know I'm a
little bit older. My kids are raised.

Speaker 5 (33:18):
I said, there's there's it's the time to be me
and the time basically speak my truth, and you know,
and I'm gonna do it. I can be it, visit
the books, movies, whatever, you know, as far as I
and I and I was a direct witness out there,
you know, at Giant Rock.

Speaker 6 (33:34):
I lived out there, and I experienced all this firsthand.

Speaker 5 (33:37):
And uh, I'm probably the only one of the whole
entire family that is actually that has taken a public profile.

Speaker 6 (33:43):
And I thought about that too a couple of things,
you know, why me? And and then then you can
will why not me?

Speaker 5 (33:49):
And uh, I kind of feel it's my it's kind
of my job to to share my experiences and and
experiences of others to basically make again make people feel
that they're not so odd and make you feel comfortable.

Speaker 6 (34:02):
And that's the biggest purpose.

Speaker 5 (34:04):
Now also too, when I was writing the book, and
uh uh, when I which is a great experience, I
was writing the book down, I had this amazing, amazing,
just epiphany and and it says, this is this is
by far more than a book or a movie. This
is so much more important and so just go with
it wherever this takes you, and that's kind of what

(34:25):
that's kind of what I'm doing.

Speaker 6 (34:27):
So yeah, there it is.

Speaker 4 (34:28):
Did you feel a sense of guidance while writing the
book and getting those stories out and reliving them like
we want you to tell this?

Speaker 5 (34:37):
Oh oh yeah no, Derek, Yeah, absolutely, that was That
was so I mean, literally, you know, now at first,
now hear my straight.

Speaker 6 (34:46):
Here, here's my cowardly strategy.

Speaker 5 (34:49):
I'm just going to write a book about my uncle
Frank christ all the all the big timers, et cetera,
et cetera. And and I got down there and I
was writing, like, you know, one or two words, and
it was like it was like I had bricks on
my hand as far as that, and I had this
my uncle and my uncle he sends stuff to him,
and he says, he says, hey, he says, you write
this story however you want. He says, you know, where's

(35:09):
that is? Make it make it interesting, make it colorful.
People and go on internet and figure out what they
want to figure out about this. They're all getting different meanings.
But you just write it the way you want it.
And I mean, dude, I mean, the thing was just
it was like lightning.

Speaker 6 (35:22):
It was like do so. So then so then so
I said.

Speaker 5 (35:26):
Then then I got to say, okay, there's something missing
here and and that's when I introduced a character named Chase,
and there the story was was me. What was missing
the story was me because I'm an extension of that legacy.
And uh uh and and also too, there's other parts
like I have an assistant producer that I've worked with him,

(35:47):
him and six of their friends. They had an induction
experience out there in two thousand and three, so I
had to get that in there too, so, you know,
so kind of make it all contemporary. Uh you know,
it's it's it's either a trilogy or probably a two
season net.

Speaker 6 (36:00):
The uh uh you know equivalent. But yeah, we'll see, Yeah,
we'll see.

Speaker 4 (36:03):
Yeah, yeah, definitely bro. So in the end of of
of everything, I say the end because I know your
story is still unfolding now, and it's still as long
as you're an open kinduit and you've already put the
book out and you're working on the movie, like you know,
there's there's there's definitely more to come, especially when you're
open to receive and they've been working with you. But

(36:26):
at this point, though, looking back at everything. Was it
a good experience or was it bad? As far as
the abductions and the contact, I know it was kind
of a mixed mixed experiences. Would you welcome it? Was
it good? Or is it bad? Would you not wish
this on anyone? Or or what I mean, what's the
uh the bottom line of the feeling when you look back,

(36:48):
what's the feeling all the all.

Speaker 6 (36:50):
The actually it's all the above. I've guys got to
work with all that.

Speaker 5 (36:53):
But yeah, but but today, first of all, if you know,
I wouldn't be me, I wouldn't be who I am
and I have and I happen to like me, you.

Speaker 6 (37:02):
Know, as far as that.

Speaker 5 (37:02):
And I've survived a lot of stuff, you know, as
far as that's and and and those experiences made me stronger,
you know, granted it was really a difficult situation a
lot of things, but they made me stronger. It made
me a better person. That advanced my intellect. I mean,
the stuff that the gifts that got along with it.
You know, it's like everything there's this good. You know,
there's good and bad with that whole thing. And you know,

(37:24):
like and information and knowledge, you know, unless you're unless
you can adapt to it and and and make use
of it.

Speaker 6 (37:32):
It can be dangerous, you know, as.

Speaker 5 (37:33):
Far as that, But fortunately I've kind of had I've
kind of had a guiding hand from from the people
that have passed on. And there's a whole group of
people and they're in the thousands that want to get
I want to want to see this this thing done,
and they're still pushing, you know, to get it done.
And and they're also forces out there pushing this not
to get done too there Incidentally, it's not I mean

(37:55):
there you know, there's a you can tell. I mean,
there's there is a whole thing, and people are scared
of this information, just like they're scared of everyone's individual stories.
People don't want to hear this, you know, but you
know they're going to hear it, you know, and it's
growing and growing. In fact, the amazing thing about it
is when I started this thing, which is really uh

(38:16):
you know, copyrighted the book in twenty twelve. When it
started to write at twenty twelve, I mean, there was
all this explosion of all of this, you know, ye eightians,
all this stuff. So I guess it was the right
time for me to come out. It's kind of like
I also kind of equate it to kind of like
being gay or or that thing you kind of come
out of the closet here.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
I am.

Speaker 4 (38:38):
Yeah, definitely those those early years whenever you first started
talking about it, did you, I mean, I know you
said you was accepted, you were you was embraced, but
you felt like you were led by that higher that
higher power. Would you equate it to the same thing

(38:59):
as the guy voice early on or or do they
You have to discern the two voices and kind of,
you know, kind of figure out what's trying to contact you,
what kind of voices are speaking to you in your
inner ear? You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 6 (39:14):
Yeah, no, I you know, I do.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
You know.

Speaker 6 (39:15):
It's like you know who who's there? You know, you
know who who's saying this?

Speaker 5 (39:19):
You know, and you're and you're always hey, listen, I
always am questioning my my old I'm always questioning myself,
So well, where am I getting that from?

Speaker 6 (39:27):
Et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 5 (39:27):
But what I've done is over the years of kind
of I won't say, I won't say anything in the
terms of mastering it, but what I've done is I've
accepted it and so I said, okay, lit and listen
and listen. And one thing I've become in my in
my life is a good listener. And so I think
that's part of the whole thing where I listened to what,

(39:48):
you know, what's being told here. Now I also too,
you know, I've I've also had to uh you know,
when you're when you get off the three D world
or the little mice trap, you know, like for instance,
uh uh you know, I started a renewal of energy
college in in the in the Midwest. And this was
and and eventually spent a lot of money, became uh

(40:11):
and it was an economic failure. But you know, I
had that whole thing unfolded to me and uh, you know,
as far as what it is is, well, you know, yeah,
it may not be a success, but doesn't matter.

Speaker 6 (40:21):
It says you need to be doing this, you need
to be learning about all this other stuff.

Speaker 5 (40:24):
So it was a wealth of information and I and
I knew, I said, okay, I know, I'm kind of
out there, but I did it anyways. So and and
that's because I listened to the spirit. I listened to
whatever that was versus you know, Jesus, I mean, how
much cash. Am I going to make on this and
eventually end up getting eventually get bought it. I actually
and eventually got bought out by these Moss backed people

(40:45):
out there. That as far as that, but and and
it turned out okay. But but again I keep on
as asking why why should I be doing this if
I'm not going to make a pile of money and
this it doesn't this is don't think about that.

Speaker 6 (40:58):
You just do what you do what we're telling you.
And so I did. So yeah, anyways, but yeah, and
it was for me.

Speaker 5 (41:04):
It was for me to get a background in renewables,
and and you know, I ran into a lot of
interesting people.

Speaker 6 (41:10):
So it's part of my progression, you know.

Speaker 4 (41:12):
So that's what you deal with, you know, whenever you're
talking about having the spiritual gifts and ability, psychic abilities
and things like that that increase with with contact, which
there's so much to go into on that, but I
guess one of them that comes along that kind of
fits in what we're talking about is the gift of discernment,
to kind of be able to discern when something's about

(41:34):
to happen, if something's good or bad, you can discern it.
You get a feeling off off of a voice or
vibration or even a group of people, to walk into
a group of people be able to tell the intentions
and things like that. So I think discernment is key,
and it's a spiritual ability that we have to hone
in and use and develop. But with that being said,

(41:55):
with the discernment, and I know you don't want to
really call any names, and I wouldn't expect you to,
especially because you're trying to, you know, make connections and
you have a product that you need to market and
things like that. But in the UFO community, is there
people that you listen to their story? Even some of
the you know, the big names out there. When you

(42:15):
hear them tell their story, you just kind of pick
up on something like, you know, they're not telling all
the truth, They're kind of making it up as they go.
There's some people, you know, who you pick up on
and their names kind of push a red button for
many people. And ufology do you pick up on any
of that at all?

Speaker 5 (42:33):
I do, And I've got a real problem with a
lot of the I guess they're experts, messiahs, whatever, you know,
and it seems like they want to elevate themselves and
kind of lower everyone else. And I was asked to
a panel with a guy who's done some movies and
I'm not going to mention names, and another guy that's

(42:55):
on a lecture shirt and all that, and the producer
out of holliways as well. You know that will help
your book, I said, you know, I just don't trust
those guys, Yes, I and I and I don't want
my message to get because my my message is from
the heart and it's just what it is and such
such a but I do have this sense about some
of these it's somewhat exploitive and I don't know what

(43:17):
their motive is. It just doesn't feel right. So I
kind of kind of fade them and shy away from
from that stuff.

Speaker 6 (43:22):
And since essentially just do my own thing, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 4 (43:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a bunch of those those
people out there, And but see there, I think they're
in any niche, any any arena where you get people
in there and they kind of learn how to do it.
They kind of learn the key the key words, the
you know what, what pops what is almost clickbait as well.
There's a lot of that right now, whatever's hot at

(43:46):
the time, they've got something to say on it.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
You know.

Speaker 5 (43:48):
Well, actually my uncle most of the techniques, especially the
channeling and things like that. And my uncle it was
him and Frank christ that developed it. And and actually
down to the same words and I hear the same
story worry of my uncle, uh through these other people
without getting him credit and I and so you know,
and so that's another two. That's the other thing too,
is is uh, you know these people, uh, they sacrificed everything.

(44:11):
I mean, they were the real McCoy's as far as
out in the middle of the middle of the desert,
you know, in their lives during the time where they
really got the hammer for coming out. And I and
that's been another driving force behind me wanting to especially
do the movie because they should be acknowledged because you know,
they literally were light years ahead of everyone and they
were like getting pounded in the ground for coming out

(44:33):
and mentioning it, which I think is which is so
typical of this uh you know linear world that we
live in. Anything that's uh of extreme value seems to
get you know, shouted out or boot out really quick.

Speaker 4 (44:46):
And uh.

Speaker 6 (44:46):
And so yeah, if if you go on the internet.

Speaker 5 (44:50):
You can listen to some of my uncle's interviews, George
van Tassel that he had done. And one thing, I mean,
you know, some people tried to make a you know,
kind of a joke out of it, and et cetera,
et cetera, what he's starting, trying to make him look
like the clown and all that stuff. But you know,
he just stood his ground, and I love that, And
he didn't get upset or anything like that. He just
had his message and it was just so profound and

(45:11):
just as a matter of fact that you know, that
kind of honesty, brutal honesty.

Speaker 6 (45:16):
I just I just love and so so you know,
you know, granted, you know, it wasn't uh in the
seventies and in the eighties, it was not.

Speaker 5 (45:24):
Hip to be anything involved with the UFOs, you know,
so anyways, but but I've always shared my stories with
friends and shared my stories with other abductees. You know,
I've never I've never hid that part. I just didn't
come out the public until you know, a few years ago.

(45:44):
And uh, I and I don't care. I've had a
lot of good times with some people, uh you know, uh,
some various radio shows and and uh, you know, I think, hey, skeptics,
skeptics are absolutely welcome.

Speaker 4 (45:56):
I mean, you know, that's the yeah. So, I mean
that's the whole weird thing with the skeptics. And it's
hard for me to even go down that route with
them anymore because I think, you know, they haven't had
the encounters that you've had. I think once you've had
an experience exactly, that does it. So there's like, you know,

(46:18):
they say that you can't recreate the encounters or you
can't recreate the experiences. I think if somebody wants to,
I think they're I think they're kind of honing in
on on you know what I'm saying, how to make
contact yourself now, like I said, with the channelings or
like these prayers and meditation, to actually make contact with these,
with these beings or with these you know, angels, whatever
you want to call them. But it's being done now

(46:40):
when people can actually do it. So I think it's
one of the things that if you want to know
the truth, as far as even being a skeptic or
an atheist for that matter, if you want to know
the truth, the truth is really out there and you
can't have an encounter.

Speaker 6 (46:55):
Right, yeah, and that's what happens.

Speaker 5 (46:57):
That's why I said, and that's what I always tell you, says,
how you know, Well, you know, you're only one encounter
away from knowing what I know. I said, you know,
and and so you know, and and it's either going
to happen or it's not. You know, as far as that,
there are things you can do. But I was on
I was on Eminem's show with fifty cents show, and

(47:17):
one of the one of these announcers, he was he
was playing with me and he goes, he goes, He goes,
I want to. He goes, I want to, uh, you know,
see a UFO.

Speaker 6 (47:25):
How do you do it?

Speaker 5 (47:26):
And I said, well, you just go out the desert,
I said, you know, and you know, you get on
one leg and and you sing and pray and until
one comes by.

Speaker 6 (47:33):
And then he goes. He goes. He goes, well, what
if that doesn't work.

Speaker 5 (47:37):
I say, well you change legs, so you know, But
again it was kind of the gotcha, you know, and
I've heard all kinds of stuff, you know. One was, oh,
you know, ets prejudice against black people. And I said, well,
you know, you know, Betty Hill, I said, you know,
you know, you know, there's been so many encounters. I said,
it doesn't really matter as far as that, but anyways,

(47:58):
you just kind of what I you because I don't know,
I'm not doing my own I'm not doing my own.

Speaker 6 (48:04):
Radio show and all that stuff. I just kind of
just go with the flow and let people, you know.

Speaker 5 (48:08):
But then what happens is I think we said we
put a seed in there, okay, and they heard one
side again and and that's all. That's all that you
need to happen, is to have the seed implanted in
your brain and then the next thing will happen.

Speaker 6 (48:22):
You're a little bit more open to having one, you.

Speaker 4 (48:24):
Know, yep, with the success of the book and then
trying to make it into a film. Obviously when you
go from book to film, there's way much more details.
There's way many more stories that you couldn't really add
to a film per se. But maybe, like you kind
of mentioned, a series, you can kind of get more
of that. Are you leaning too, you know, more towards

(48:47):
the the film being more of a pilot to kind
of launch a series behind it, because there's just so
much information and stuff that kind of comes with it.

Speaker 5 (48:56):
Yeah, you know, I didn't, you know, until the whole
Netflix phenomenon. I wasn't really keen on the idea. My
whole goal was to do a feature film, then you know,
maybe do a sequel and do you know, do a
treat in which which I'm still open to. It can
go either way. But then Netflix comes out and and
all this other the streaming stuff. I think, Okay, I've
got enough stuff for at least sixteen episodes right now,

(49:18):
so I mean, it's already, it's already done, and uh
and there's actually there's there's a ton more that can
come as far as that. But you know, the whole
movie world on which I'm kind of in, kind of out.
I'm an outsider still, and I'm not buddies with Steven
Spielberger or or anybody instantly. My uncle was a creative
consultant for Close Encounters the Third kind, so he actually

(49:41):
was in on that too, But but I'm not. I'm
not really friends with all the big money and all that.
So I'm just kind of like a little fish trying
to you know, maneuver all this stuff and you know,
present and say hey, listen, would this be a good idea?
And then I go and then I look at Netflix
and I'm like everyone else, it's been an hour and
a half looking for something to watch, and I think,
and I think this would fit and be of interest
a lot of people, you know, So yes, yeah, I think.

Speaker 4 (50:04):
It's kind of Yeah, it's kind of weird because you
got some that just kind of hit or miss. But
the ones that are good are really good, and they
and they can kind of go down as being classics.
I mean, there's tons of classic UFO and alien films
and movies out there. Now, what are some of your
favorite from the early years, some of the movies out

(50:26):
there that just kind of when you watch the movie,
it's like it just became all too real and it
just goes down as a well. I think I think
that's probably two different categories though, your favorite versus the
ones that are real though.

Speaker 6 (50:37):
Right right, right, right right. My my all time favorite
was Close Encounters, the Third kind.

Speaker 5 (50:41):
I just I just I loved how they did it
because that's actually in the in the timing, the setting.
As far as my experiences there was that. But I've loved,
you know, I've there's been some great like contact. I
thought that opened up the whole interesting you know Jody Foster,
you know, Firing the Sky, which I went the premiere.
I thought that was yeah, so I thought that was

(51:03):
pretty good. You know, some of the early fifties were
way advanced. In fact, some of the segments like on
Twilight Zones and yeah, there there's a lot of really
neat television that was actually and but yeah, it's it's funny.
I would think a lot more it kind of goes
in you know, uh at ebbs and flows as far

(51:26):
as that whole thing. But but what they did they
brought back X Files, which I thought was really interesting.
They they they the thing went, it went off, then
it went to a movie. Now they brought it back
into a series. So that's that's uh, that's that's interesting.

Speaker 6 (51:41):
You know.

Speaker 5 (51:41):
But the numbers of people that believe in extraterrestrials or
life on other planets, it's grown exponentially.

Speaker 6 (51:48):
It's it's it's a lot more. It used to be.
We were in such a minority. Now it's that would
slip in the other ways.

Speaker 5 (51:54):
So hopefully, you know, you know, hopefully will pick us
up and we'll we'll be able to do I've had
I've had a couple of close encounters with with deals
where I've actually had to pass because most of them
coincide with with maya, you know, with me not be
involved with it, with the production of it, which will
not will never.

Speaker 4 (52:14):
Yeah, yeah, we've definitely seen that in the past. And
now some people who are in the circuit trying to
undo that whole work that was done when they're when
their story was turned into a film. Now they're out
there just trying to undo all the work that was
done with the fear and hysteria.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (52:31):
Aspects of it. And uh, but yeah, there's a lot
of people who have the integrity who kind of walk
in that just Okay, we just need the story. We
don't need jump scares, we don't need this kind of stuff.
We need to make sure that the story is told
in this light versus what cells or like. The horror
genre is kind of the thing people try to go to.
But uh, you know, there's a lot of people who

(52:54):
have been approached with their story to kind of to
sell it, and they won't because they can't be involved
with So I think you're doing the right thing as
far as one to keep it, keep.

Speaker 5 (53:03):
The whole Well, yeah, there's a carrot in there too.
I mean what they want to do is they'll put
the carrot, well, we'll option off.

Speaker 6 (53:11):
Well. The other thing too, is what and I've learned
a lot. One thing, I've learned a lot.

Speaker 5 (53:14):
I'm really glad I didn't actually produce it the first
year I was out because I have to get a
lot of information based like what the studios can do
if they have a competing product coming out, they'll option
your stuff up for fifty grand for five years. And
meanwhile they're letting all their you know, their their shows
that are near and dear to them get out there.
So that's the game you have to you have to

(53:35):
watch everything.

Speaker 6 (53:36):
Now.

Speaker 5 (53:37):
The smaller creator and producer is really getting a lot
better a lot better chance simply because some of the lawsuits,
because what they used to do is they used to
take your story or or make an assimilation of your
story would be almost yours and then tell you you know.
But the Disney they've lost one hundred million dollar lawsuits,

(53:58):
Warner Brothers has so it's.

Speaker 6 (54:01):
Things have changed.

Speaker 5 (54:02):
But again, to get the you know, get some of
the right people with the right cash to say, hey, listen,
this will this has some sort of commercial monetary yeah, possibility.

Speaker 6 (54:11):
It's a big stretch. It still is a big stretch.

Speaker 4 (54:14):
You always see that happen, man, whenever there's a big
release about to come out. I remember just going through
the video stores was the worst. Before the big film
would come out. You would see all these other films
that were knockoffs and just thrown together really quick, and
and you know that story was uh you know that

(54:34):
that I guess everybody was anticipating was was just changed.
And people would watch these knockoffs thinking that the the
the big release was was already out. If you noticed that,
like there tons of it. I mean, it still happens now,
but we don't get the experience to kind of walk
through the video store. But they'll put them on Netflix.

(54:55):
You'll see it. You'll think it's the real, the real movie,
and and like one word will be changed and the
cover looks exactly the same in all of that.

Speaker 6 (55:02):
That's weird, right, Well it is, and I've seen that.

Speaker 5 (55:06):
And then they see you know, they they seem to
well Netflix they're content providers. I mean, you know, and
and and like I said earlier, I guess the average
person it takes a half hour to forty five minutes
to find something we want to watch on Netflix that yeah,
so yeah, so, But what they do is they're always
under pressure to to provide content and even and so

(55:27):
some of the stuff that they put five stars up there,
which is the other nonsensical lie on Netflix that.

Speaker 6 (55:33):
You get up there and think what you know?

Speaker 5 (55:37):
So but yeah, no, I'm know I've kind of you know,
I'm here for the long haul, and you know, I'm
definitely gonna be thoughtful. I've got legacy issues with this
whole thing. In fact, I tell you you know, I
lost the deal, and this is I lost the deal. Uh,
And really we had we were actually kind of getting
into pretty close production. We had actually department heads set
up a couple of producers from Warner Brothers that uh,

(56:00):
you know, it took a keen interest and he had
a dream and uh, one of the things I knew
I was in trouble.

Speaker 6 (56:07):
And and he says, well, I got to change his
part of the script. And I go, well, what part
doing change?

Speaker 5 (56:12):
He says, well, I want your I want your aunt
and uncle to have a fight at the restaurant, and
I want your aunt to get in a car and
drive away mad. And then I want you to get
your uncle in a plane and runner off the road.
And I and I and I, you know, I go,
you know that that that they wouldn't do that. That's

(56:32):
an embarrassment, I know. And and I use another expletive,
and oh god did that cause of ruckus? Anyways, so
they they then they then they all said, and this
is what it got really weird. I thought, you know,
this is what strange Ill said, Well, we're going to
have a meeting on next Thursday in Hollywood, and we're
going to get you, uh you know, we're gonna get
you straightened out, or we're not going to proceed. And
I and I thought for a minute, and I go, well,

(56:53):
let's not proceed right now, you know.

Speaker 6 (56:56):
And and that was the wrong.

Speaker 5 (56:57):
Answer, you know, they uh, it really became that's when
the walk ends started to coming up. So we kind
of I lost that and I was just so happy
to be away from these people. That The other thing too,
is he wanted to bring his nicked or neighbor was, uh,
you know Seinfeld. You wanted to get a part for
for Seinfeld, which you know, uh Kramer and I couldn't.

(57:20):
I couldn't, you know, And I said, oh god, this
is this is this.

Speaker 6 (57:23):
Is where it's all. This is where it's all starting.

Speaker 4 (57:25):
You know, this is this is this is it.

Speaker 6 (57:27):
You know, I think and and and I and I said, well,
I can't see him in that. I can't.

Speaker 5 (57:31):
I said, he's had problems anyways, I just can't see him.
And but that this is the part of the whole thing.
And you talk about power of discernment. It's like, you know,
then you think, oh, and it's like oh god, I
mean it's like, you know, this is what's going on here.
And so anyways, it took me about six months to
get unraveled with those birds and the But but this
is just a snapshot as far as why you got

(57:53):
to maintain your none only your integrity, your independence and
at least have a say and that whole creative control.
For me, it is worth gazillions trillions of dollars so
I can make cause, I can shepherd in. I'm not
not I'm not saying that I'm uh, you know, not
open to some really great ideas. But I just want
to have the final say to it, so I don't
embarrass anybody, including myself, you know, you know so uh

(58:17):
But that's but once you sell your screenplay without any kind.

Speaker 6 (58:20):
Of creative control. It's over.

Speaker 5 (58:23):
You're you're you're done. You're sitting back with spectator. So
that's that's another problem. As far as why we haven't
got the movie done so far. I had a Chinese
group said, yeah, I won't pay you half million dollars
for screenplay, but we want to do it in Shanghai
and we want and we don't want you.

Speaker 6 (58:40):
Involved in it.

Speaker 5 (58:41):
And I go well, and I go, well, well, who's
your directory? It says, well, we don't want to tell you.
And I go, well, you know, and so I go, well,
how can I determine how this will go? And it says, well,
you're not You'll just take the money. And but but
it was interesting though to talk to what was very
interesting at the conversation one of the guys that finally
who spoke English.

Speaker 6 (59:00):
I go, why would you be interested in a movie.

Speaker 5 (59:02):
You know about UFOs out in the middle of the desert,
out in California And he just smile. The says, people
love Western Americana, and uh, you know, and which which
there is a market for. This is a market all
over the world for this kind of movie with the heart,
you know, so I I do you know it? So
so hey, you know, if I hope it happens, I
hope it happens soon, it'd be great, but.

Speaker 4 (59:22):
Definitely whenever, you know, whenever, Well, the the book has
had a lot of success in anybody who's interested in
picking up the book. It's available on Amazon. Uh, we
have the different websites where the the the book and
the movie is for sale, or or the info for

(59:44):
the movie as well, if you want to give those
links out.

Speaker 5 (59:47):
Yeah, and yeah, we've got the we got the trailers
which you know, it's aid Yeah, yeah, w a Giant
rockthmovie dot com. You can go there and look at
the trailer, or you can go you know, anywhere anywhere
anywhere on Google. You just typed in chatsee meek or
or or Giant Rock the movie. And of course it's
on Amazon. It's in hard hard book and people can
read the book. I've been told a very quick read.

(01:00:09):
People really have enjoyed. I've got some really great feedback
on the book. So yeah, I'm still I'm still excited
for people to hear their responses after I read it,
because a lot of people the comments I guess is well,
I experienced that and I experienced that night a little cool.
That's that's what it's supposed to do.

Speaker 4 (01:00:28):
Yeah, good stuff, brother man. Thanks for coming on, hanging on,
hanging out with me, sharing your story, and we got
to do it again, brother, especially when the film comes
out or whatever we're going to do with that. Definitely
have you back on absolutely, Derek.

Speaker 6 (01:00:41):
Been my pleasure with you, man a.

Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
Brother, Thank you so much. All right, take care on peace,
Chad Meeks, ladies and gentlemen, Giant Rock the greatest UFO story.
Never told good stuff out to everybody holding us down
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I was talking to his son. His son is Gareth Ike,
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(01:03:19):
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(01:04:03):
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watch the episode that I or listen to whatever you prefer.

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The episode that I did with Adam star Seed Bay.
He's he's a longtime supporter now and we had him
on the show. Amazing episode, a lot of a lot
of good wisdom in there, and one of the parts
that we talked about channeling, and so even today we
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was in a good light, though not in a uh,
you know, pointing fingers and accusing people, but in a
good light of what channeling really is. And this is

(01:10:55):
just something I'm bringing to the table and I want
to do a deeper study and breakdown on it. So
make sure you listen to that episode. And so yeah, Kyle,
I love you too, brother, shout out shaloon. With that,
I'm gonna say peace and shalom. We'll hallert y'all. Later
piece piece.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
Joe so much, so much, so much, so much. Well,
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