The Alien Deception: Unveiling the Hidden Truths with Philip Kinsella

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sell A. Philip, Welcome tothe Trucika podcast. My friend, how
are you? Thank you very much, sir, and I'm very delighted to

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be on board with your wonderful show. Thank you and honor awesome. We
have a mutual friend, Philip Mantle, had him on the podcast a couple
of weeks ago. He's introduced meto a lot of really cool individuals that
he works with, and you wasone of the names that came across my
desk and saw what you were bringingto the table and said this would definitely

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make for a great talk. Sohere we are. That's brilliant and Philip
Mentle is also a mine and mytwin brother, Ronald's mentor, so he's
been of enormous assistance and helped usboth. So we are grateful to all
those esteemed individuals, researchers and authorsin this very complex, you know,
subject matter concerning UFOs. So yes, and we're going to talk a little

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bit about a little bit about alot of different topics and we'll cover a
wide gamut with you. But whatgot you into the interest in ufology,
aliens, UFOs, in this thiswhole subculture, which it definitely is,
Like, what was your genesis intothis stuff? Well, the beginning was

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when my twin brother and I werethirteen years of age and we had viewed
at the back garden of our grandmother'shouse. She lived in Middlesex here in
England. They had quite a bighouse in the garden on summer's late afternoon
or evening, I can't remember.We remember the event very well, but
not if it was late afternoon orevening, but we were witnessed to a

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silver orb in broad daylight that cameover towards the back tree to the garden
and then came over her head.It was completely circular, about the size
of a football. There were nomarkings on it. It seemed heavy,
and we asked her what is it, and she told us that the fairies
had come to take a closer lookat us. Of course, we realized

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that was not the truth. Butwe saw the object moving towards the house,
towards the first floor windows, thento the second and it moved over
and we ran inside to the otherside of the house and watched it disappear.
And it had been the talk ofthe family for a while. And
the main event that had occurred andgot me really involved with this was what

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people term an alien abduction that occurredin the winter of nineteen eighty nine,
and the only abduction that I canrecall. There may have been another one,
and this led me into the crusadeto find out two aspects to the
phenomena. I wanted to know whetheror not it was true, and that
was already relevant, but we areliving in a system that debunks the subject,

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so I wanted to know whether ornot when I was lying or the
system that we serve was lying.And I think we can pretty much guess
what side of the fence I waslooking at this from. So it was
during the event the rather unusual eventin the winter of nineteen eighty nine that
showed me that there appeared to betwo aspects to what we call an abduction,

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an alien abduction. One happens ona very physical level, and other
part seems to integrate itself on avery personal level of conscious connection. And
you know, without going too farafield, here we are looking at something
that seemingly operates not only on thephysical but also a pound inter dimensional hypothesis.

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And that's where I started to reallydig into this research. And I
was fed up also with the constantlies from the system, you know,
being told constantly that you know,you're laughed at when you appear on media,
television or on you know, talkingto people. So I kind of

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like suffered like many people do throughthis form of ridicule. But today we're
finding that more people are becoming moreaware of this subject, not just about
the UFO phenomenon, but also aboutthe spiritual side to the essence of what
we really represent as opposed to thebiological flesh and blood mechanisms with a cell

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by date that we've been sold bythe system and everything else is just faith.
So this is where my crusade ledme. Never would I ever have
dreamed that I would be connected withsome of the highest minds within euphology,
and that is something I totally respectand our modus operandi is to search for

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the truth. So this started withyou having this siding at a young age,
and then you had an abduction experienceas well. Yes, that's correct.
Detail. Well it's a little bitlong winded, but I will just
stay for the record. Part ofthe experience proved to me that the grays

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as we call them, and theywere then main emphasis of my research.
Because I had experienced these beings asit were, I was puzzled as to
how the process of an abduction occurred, and seemingly it would appear that the
individual is taken through solid matter andwhy it was that on more occasions than

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not, the grays have to bein close proximity to the individual that they're
abducting. And I began to realizethat through the abduction that I had,
I started to question how it wasthat I was being able to be taken
through solid matter. I eedores andthis is something that's stuck for many,
many years. And you know,we get people saying, oh, it's
because they can beam you up allwell and good, but why can't they

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do that from the craft? Whydo they have to be present or in
close proximity to the individual. AndI believe that what may be occurring is
that these beings need some kind ofpsychic integration and they need the subject to
be in some form of conscious statein order to create that psychic link.
So my research which then led inthe understanding that perhaps we're dealing with somethink

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or a power force, energy,whatever intelligence that is very old and it's
kind of disturbing when you find throughresearch of how many people have had these
experiences and rather like the abduction tome that I discovered way back in nineteen
ninety six because I have been creditedwith an article in a magazine that we

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had then caught alien encounters. Idiscovered that the abduction phenomena sat very closely
towards the near death experience. Andfor example, in a near death experience,
a person goes through wars and doors, they see a light, they

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go down a tunnel. More timesthan not, they meet loved ones that
communicate telepathy telepathically, and the personis returned back more times than not changed
and in some cases if they aresuffering terminal illness, it seems that the
whole biasphere of their body is completelyreconfigured to its correct vibrational level, which
means they're healed. The abduction seemsto occur on dare I say this more

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times than on a rather negative level, although it mirrors the near death experience.
We're finding that the person that againis taking through walls and doors,
they're in the presence of these beingsthat communicate telepathically. A person has a
sense of missing time. That couldbe because the individual has been taking outside
their normal framework of time processing andat the same with the near death experience

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where the person loses or cannot accountfor time. So this led me into
the understanding that through what I hadexperience, which I will tell you was
quite grueling and quite nasty and embarrassing, if I may use that word,
and something I had to live withfor a very long time. And because
of that shame, because of theexperience, I wasn't one of these people

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people to just sit and leave it. I wanted to find out what it
was, if there was any formor basive reality to a continuation of these
events with other people and this iswhat we found. So this is how
I really wanted to find out theanswer to what the grays are. I
know there are other factions of beings, as we're told, but I can

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only talk from experience. So itwas a very frightening experience and one that
I have never forgot and I canstill recall very clearly. May I make
a point in saying here that Ihave never had regression or hypnosis. I
remembered the events exactly as they hadoccurred, and they I have not added
or subtracted anything. But we're stillpuzzled. We still don't know why,

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and this is what we're looking at. Yeah, I mean that was going
to be the next question, justabout your abduction experience. Was it something
that was fearful and or was itsomething beautiful and changed your life? Obviously
it changed your life, but itsets you on this road, this path.
Whenever you talk about, you know, the spiritual connection something that you

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keep mentioning, is it more overthe spiritual abilities that these entities might have,
or the connection that made you openup to become more spiritual as well?
Because we are hearing a lot ofthat that people who have had these
abduction scenarios or contact experiences. Theybecome more in tune with their telepathic communication

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with beings and ships and friends,and they know who's about to call them
right before they call on a telephone, different premonitions and things like that.
Where does the spirituality link in withyou? Is it more the spiritual powers
that they have, or are youtapping into some of this stuff now as
well? That is a very interestingquestion and one that I really value highly.

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Now. What happened was that,even though the experience to me was
very negative, in later life,I then became interested in psychic phenomena.
One of the reasons was because Iwanted to find what we as humans represent,
what our purpose is, and Idiscovered after going to see a brilliant
medium. As they're called, Iwould prefer the word interpreter, because they're

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just interpreting information coming from a highersource that we can't see here. Rather
like the signals to your mobile phone, you have a physical instrument to catch
the signals and download and convert thosesignals into a language that we can understand.
So did the experience change me?Yes? It did. Did it
help me? It may well possiblyhave. I think something happened I think

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when all of us go through avery tragic experience, whatever that tragedy may
be, something opens up. Ithink there's more empathy or more understanding now.
It could be that the experience Ihad back in the winter of nineteen
eighty nine had somehow opened a partof my mind which was previously closed.

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And as we know this the othersubject matter that fascinates me, not just
about the UFO phenomena, but alsothe psychic part, the survival of human
consciousness. A little bit strange.It was back in nineteen ninety six when
I brought forward this theory, andof course a lot of people now share
things, which I'm more than happyto do, but it made me realize

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something more about the grades themselves throughour consciousness, through our spirituality. I
have always believed that when we die, you know, take away all the
jargon, that consciousness survives the stateof death, and it returns to source.
And it is feasible to assume thatwe ourselves have incarnated, perhaps more

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times than once, and not justperhaps on this planet. Because we always
think in the in terms of beinga human. And one of the things
that fascinated me and I did question, was did this experience happen to change
me deliberately, to change the courseof my life going forward. Like all
of us individually, we are allimportant, all special, no matter what

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we do or what we think.So the grays kind of like gave me
a clue perhaps as to their genusor what they are doing and why they
are interested in us as a reproductivespecies. Because we must understand through our
own research that the grays appear tobe some type of cloned entity or robotic

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in nature. That much has beenagreed by many researchers. I mean,
we have different theoretical applications that wecan apply, and I'm open to all
forms of speculation, but I muststate I think this subject or the experience
may show us more about what weare as humans. And you know,

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when we look at the grays asthey are called, it's like chasing shadows.
They come in and they go outvery quickly, and certainly their modus
operandia is kept secret, or atleast they dem on that. It's not
like they want to come forward andreveal all them where they do most times
are not its lies. So yes, I believe that I wanted to discover
not just about the reality of UFOs, but also of the continuation of what

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we call the soul. Yeah,that's good. It starts out with one
thing, but then it's snowballs intoa lot more. You thought it was
only about the proof of extraterrestrial life, and then it becomes the agenda,
and then who am I? Whyam I here? And a lot of
us think snowball. Let me askyou this you have? Is that a
picture behind you of the Jesus Armwrestling Satan? Is that behind it?

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Correct? Correct? So here inthe comments section as we're live streaming here,
some people are saying that, andthis is definitely from a Christian perspective,
that the Grays are all aliens everythingoutside of our atmosphere or whatever.
There are all demonic fallen entities thatare coming here to do serimns, to

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kidnap people, things like that,mostly across the board from the Christian perspective.
I'm a Christian, but mostly whenI got into euthology, it was
studying under the Christian you know,Lynn Marzouli and all these guys, Guy
im alone, so many more names, and it was, hands down,
these are demons. It wasn't untilI got into looking into different people who

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just kind of looked at the researchfor what it was that I got out
of. Okay, these are demons, these may be angels. What about
the angelic beings that are out theretraveling? So do you have a religious
connotation with it when it comes tothese experiences that angels, aliens, demons
and all that kind of stuff.Well, you know, I have the

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greatest respect for the religious departments totally, And as I've said before, we
must walk very carefully. I knowthat I've had many people telling me straight
out of their demons. We cannotdiscount that hypothesis. We have to be
open minded. The only reason thatI study them because one person told me

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who was religious, that you know, you're doing the devil's work, now,
I'm not. In order for usto understand something, we must explore
it and not just through you know, religious texts or words in the Bible
which I have read. By theway, it is possible, and if
I can take the hypothesis one stepfurther with regards to the grays and their

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secret modus operandi, we are findingthat the grays seemed or appear to be
interested in reproduction. Now for aspecies that themselves cannot reproduce that sniff suspect
to me, even back in nineteenninety six, and I had what I
could only term as some type ofrevelation in nineteen ninety six. People call

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it what they will. It feltlike a download. The only way I
can explain it was like some kindof revelation that everything came pouring out very
quickly. I scribbled everything down atwork on a piece of paper, and
I submitted the article to a magazinethat took it, and the Alien Encounters
magazine. And of course this hasapplied in my further works, in my
books later on. But if welook at the grays, they seem to

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be a blank canvas. They areinterested in reproduction, They are interested in
what makes us as humans tick.They don't understand about time of love,
of empathy, of spirituality. It'salmost as if they themselves have lost themselves
totally to some other cause. Now, we could take the cloned hypothesis a

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little bit further, which is whatis part of my work, and we
could assume that because we come throughthe normal processing of gestation birthing cycle,
we carry the memories from one lifeto the other or the soul. I'm
not going to get involved with thereincarnational aspects. I think it's important for
us to look at all areas ofthis debate. But one thing that is

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correct is that you know, fora species that cannot replicate themselves, they
are using humans. And it's possibleon a theoretical level that the divine spark
of that clone, that is notpart of the creation process, is interested
in trying to reincubate itself into abiological form. If they are demons,

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and I will say a big if, because I step very lightly, but
I also respect all establishments, eventhough I get attacked and criticized from all
sides. You can't win in thisgame. If they were demons, is
it possible perhaps that they are tryingto re enter into this physical realm through
this said hybridization program, because fromour stance, you know, we are

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spirit and I've always believed that thatwe are consciousness that is linked or a
soul in a biological form that isdesigned to walk through this life with an
experience in memories. But it couldbe that another species has hijacked that because
they themselves are no longer part ofthe bigger picture and of course, you

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said quite rightfully. When you're dealingwith this subject matter, it leads you
into some very deep waters and uncomfortableterritory, but territory nevertheless that we must
explore. We have to. Thatis very important. So aliens from another
planet, I'm not so sure.I tend to believe more in the interdimensional

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hypothesis. Now when man came intobeing, when we were created. We
have to understand that we are sofar removed from the creation here on Earth
because we've been allowed to develop andwe know why. You know, we
are the sentient life form that's beengraced to and be afforded the ability to
progress and question, whereas all ofnature cannot. But it is therefore our

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so survises as it were. Butthe grays appear very different, and it
could be that they are performing areplication program to try to re establish themselves
back into the loop of creation wherethey have been damned. So that's what
I see with regards to that.Yeah, So I mean that kind of
you know, leads us to youknow, the hybrid children and people have

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all these stories about going on aship or entering some type of room with
a bunch of children there and youknow that they carried some of these children,
these different stories that you're hearing about. I know there was something that
really freaked me out years ago.You may know what I'm talking about,
because I'm sure you've just been diggingall of this, But there was this

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lady who had a baby like this, there was something inside of her.
She said she was abducted by aliensand they put something with dinner, and
she had this baby that looked likesome type of little frog creature. I
don't know if you remember that atall, but when you get into that,
it's definitely become a subculture, especiallyeven within uphology, but it's definitely

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their urbanization in people who are carryingalien babies and things like that. I've
kind of stayed away from it myself, but early on, definitely scary,
definitely weird. You hear crazy stories. Are you familiar with any of that
stuff? Yes, And again thatis uncomfortable territory. I mean, I

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can only talk from experience. Butlet's look at the Grays again and how
the process they may instigate in theform of an abduction. They're able to
bring the person through wars and doors, through solid matter, they take them
onto a craft, and I believewhat's happening in some instances they seem to
have up their program. If youlook at the nineteen fifties and sixties,

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the world wasn't as populated as itis today, and in some forms of
contact as we call it, itwas done on a very one to one
level, although on most of thoseoccas there will be a physical part and
a part that they can't recall andhad to be regressed through memory. If
not sometimes you know a little bitsporadic or trying to put the pieces together.
So that confirms that the visitors aswe call them, are not interested

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in reaching out to us or helpingus. They have their own agenda.
Now in the process of an abduction, what I feel is happening possibly is
that the grays, from their dimensionof awareness are extracting the real you from
your host, as it were,the physical part of what you are biologically,
and once you are matched by thatfrequency, they're able to interact with

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you. But because the consciousness orsoul for want of a better word,
is still attached, sorry to itsphysical counterpart, whatever they do to you
there, which is real, willstill affect the body marks. You know,
implants that type of thing. Now, look at the near death experience,
so you have that that the peopleare taking their bodies with them and

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said ships and things. Not allthe times, in some occasions they are.
If they do, then they're usingor utilizing the same process of bringing
the molecular structure of the entire Uinto their full frequency of awareness and interaction
is definitely achieved through this. TheUFO could be a reference point. They

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need a point or a place tobring you to. They can't just take
you anywhere. And I feel thatthe grays also are able to manifest images
very clearly to the abductee. Theycan even bring the abductees' dead relatives on
board. So the grays appear tobe very powerful in terms of interacting with
the mind, although it feels tome as though they're trying to understand us

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on a not only a biological level, but also the consciousness the soul.
With these forms or processing of mentalinstigation, for instance, they bring fear.
They will show explosions or the worldblowing up. It's almost as if
they want some kind of stimuli fromthe individual, and they may be recording

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this. So we have to bevery careful. Are we dealing with demons?
Are we dealing with androids? Arewe dealing with clones? Are we
dealing with people from the future?That you know as well as I do
that this sphere is so vast,But my theoretical piece of work, although
maybe rejected by many, does suggestto some level that the interaction between us

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and so called aliens is all aboutthe soul, about what makes us tick,
about reproduction, and that is verystrange, especially when they want to
deliberately, you know, nullify thememory, so the person has no,
hardly any recall, in more casesthan not, of what's occurred. Now,
what does that tell you? Andplease don't tell me there's a special

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code in the universe that stops beingsfrom interacting with us. Well, if
that's the case, the grades havebroken up already. But the grays are
very old. They've been here fora very very long time. And as
you know as well as I do, is that the phenomena has morphed.
It's changed now. It almost seems, you know, I'm getting a picture

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of the matrix. But I thinkI think more so Avatar, where there's
this world that exists that they're nota part of and they want to assimilate
and get within that world. Howdo we do it? We need to
have a you know, we cando it consciously. Heck, it's almost
like if you if you track,if you hack the psychedelic trance state,

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and our spirits go there, butwe're snatched back, we come back here.
How do we stay there? Well, we need to become one of
them. Yes, the grades needthey need to have bodies. Whether they're
putting their spirits within these humans aswell, maybe they just need to shell
and they put a soul, theirsoul. That is very ancient. This

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is where it gets into the demonstuff. I mean, you know Genesis
six and Nephilum, and there's hereabout that. Oh yeah, that's why.
I think that's why that theory sticksso much for a lot of people.
The Genesis six and fallen angels neededbodies and all of this kind of
stuff. And it almost seems thereis a theory that that I've heard and
have believed for some time that thatcould be true, that that the Grays

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have that the Grays are these meatsuits, these robots, if you will,
like you said, but they havecreated these suits that they have put
their spirits, and now they cananimate this body that somebody has created for
them, whether it is humans,the government absolutely created this, or this

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could have been something that evolution thatthey have learned to do and and and
and you know, manipulate particles andmatters to such a small level, so
they were able to create it.And now they're here. Now they're flying
around our skies maybe or in andout of these dimensions that they've learned to
travel. There's so much. There'sso much to it, and and that's

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why the people get with the demonthing. I'm really not with with the
demon scenario. But at the sametime, is this manevolent because if you're
let's just say that there is somethingthat they're their species is becoming extinct and
they or they have found a realmthat they have not they're not priven to

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yet unless they have a body.I mean, we would do and are
doing the same thing. If it'stechnology, how do we exist within this
tech technological world where we need tocreate the technology to do it and and
harvest you know, there's all kindsof stuff going on. So is it
necessarily manevolent because they're doing this thisprogram? I think from our perspective,

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Yes, the way that we viewthings. Now, let me give you
another example. You, as Isee it, are a natural process of
soul integration. You've come through thewomb the correct channel. You had a
mother, and you a mother,and you when you depart this plane,
your soul turns back to source.But what if I cloned you in a

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laboratory. Now, let's just takethis question one step further. Let's say
I cloned you ten times. Youwhen you pass over, not for a
very long time. When you passover, your consciousness will return to that
realm. The question of the cloneswill only have the memory of one single

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imprint, of one recording, andtherefore, when the physical copy dies,
is it conceivable to assume that thatspark of awareness that is not matched by
the strength of your soul is lostin limbo? And that if a species
has cloned itself to the point ofexhaustion, it does not understand or cannot

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gain access back to what we callcreate. And there they have found a
world that reproduces. And it's possiblethat they are trying to understand themselves more
through us, or trying to fillin those missing gaps as it were,
so you know, perhaps from theirside it could be desperation, and because

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a lot of what they achieve certainlylinks into elements of the paranormal, because
it's like chasing shadows. These thingshave even been photographed within the ether.
And there are always two aspects tous, one physical one not non physical,
the same with your mobile phone andsignals. So we have to be
very careful, and as I saidbefore, I'm very open to all forms

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of speculation. I will not pigeonholemyself and restrict myself. The other thing
is that, interestingly is that asa conscious entity as we are, the
brain is the instrument that allows consciousnessto fill through to this form memory,
sold whatever you want to call it. But most people are operating on a

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narrow field of conscious awareness, andit's possible that the Grace themselves has found
entry into within our realm through consciousness. You know, we have to think
about that because you know, thebrain is, after all, is incredible
organism, and more times than notit's shut down through fear or mental subjugation
on some level or control. Butcertainly, I think like astronauts that go

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out into space because they're removed fromtheir normal processing of time, they feel
changed. And I think that whenpeople have what they call an abduction,
they feel changed as well, andthis may account for the periods of missing
time where memory recall is very difficult. You know, one thing I always
have to bring up is the factthat you don't really hear the term abduction

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anymore. I don't. I'm notinterviewing a lot of people who are saying
that they're having has happened to them. Now, most people when it comes
to UFOs and aliens, for themost part, at least from my perspective,
have you know, they call themselvescontactees and experiencers and they love it.
I mean, there's even the CEfive initiative where they're trying to go

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out and make contact for themselves tofigure out what's going on, from moving
from being an armchair investigator to insteadof them contacting me, the CE five
is me going out and contacting themunder the night sky. I've had my
fair share of CE five experiences bymyself with groups of people, had amazing

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experiences out of this world. Butwhen it comes to the abduction term,
a lot of people have said thatthe abduction in the grades that's kind of
been taboo and off limits now andthat has been phased out over the years.
I mean, how would you respondto that? Is that something that's
still happening, because obviously from youknow, I guess we would go back

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to the you know, late fortiesto I would say nineties. There in
the two thousands, late two thousands, I feel like it started to go
downhill. You don't hear much aboutit anymore. What is your response to
that? Well, it's interesting andI and my brother and a friend of
mine, Susan, had performed aCE five experiment all the way back on

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the eighth of June nineteen ninety eightat Relasion Forest in Suffolk, and we
actually, I mean people say Idon't believe it, I don't want,
I don't care. We actually,through our wishing or wanting, had viewed
a spectacular craft that was triangular witha gap in a circle undercarriage beneath it.
It was silent and it was likea clock, one moving one way

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or the other moving the other.And as I ran towards it, it's
a long story, but it disappearedlike someone switching the lights out. So
I do understand. We were performingexperiments at C five and I do acknowledge
that there are good entities. Thereare angels, spirit GUIDs, whatever you
want to call them. Angels aredifferent from spiritual eyes obviously, but certainly

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I think that the application of consciousnessis very interesting and how we may be
able to draw in these different levelsof reality through a process of sending signals
out and getting them back but notquite how we thought they would come back.
So we're studying the application of consciousnessand it is a real phenomena.
It is not something that is justwhimsical. It is real. But I

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think that because we are separated fromthat vibrational level of integration, that's why
it comes in very briefly and thengoes out again, because we're not matched
by the same density they graze themselves. Yes, there haven't been as many
reports of abductions. I totally agreewith you, And I also sway also

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to the side of the experiences.You know, people tend to put people
in pigeonholes. I was there myself. I was put in a pigeon hole
myself, so I understand and empathizewith that completely. So we've got to
be careful when we're looking at thesubject because it shows that the phenomena is
evolving, and perhaps it's meant toevolve us, it's meant to move us

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forward into some type of transgressional stageof spirituality, if I use that word.
But we can see certainly that there'sbeen a lot of changes since the
forties, fifties, sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties and into the two
thousands, so it has morphed.And of course we as we all know
as research as the phenomena is alsomorphed. So it feels like it's always

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one step ahead of us. Andyou know, you'll have the division,
of course you will. You'll havethe negativity, of course you will.
But I embrace that because I understand, now, what is the deception part
of your work? What like,how are we being deceived? Is the
government hiding this from us? Howare the how is the population and being

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this? When it comes to ufhaliUFOs in the Grace, well, that
all goes back to nineteen forty sevenwith as everyone knows, the most famous
UFO case of all time, andpeople roll their eyes up, thinking,
oh, well, let's just asktwo questions about that. First of all,
and this was the inception of whatwe call conspiracy because if the object

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had been a secret mogul weather balloon, as was the new terminology some years
later, retracting from the balloon hypothesis, then why weren't the military themselves watching
it? If it was so topsecret, why did they just forget about
it? And then some rancher,a wonderful ranch of mac Brazil, happened

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to stumble upon the debris. Andif it was that top secret, why
would you then place fragments of thissecret weather balloon on the front page of
national newspapers? You know, itdidn't make any sense. And we know
at that point that the birthing ofconspiracy had started. It wasn't the beginning
of the UFO sightings, know,there were many, many more before that.
But I think something unusual happened wheresuch entities have perhaps become into our

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realities, solidified, you know,and the rest is history. But the
people behind it, I don't thinka government. I think the governments tend
our governments, well governments, yourgovernments are governments or governments their puppets,
you know, they come and go. So I believe that the secrets are

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being held by a very small unit. Clandensteine unit within the military establishment who
perhaps themselves don't understand all of it, and you know, usually plant disinformation
into the media circuits to sway researchers. But was also interesting is that I
believe that these people, nameless,faceless bureaucrats, are also very interested in

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researchers and what they're bringing to thetable to see what they know. So
it's clear within its inception that theythemselves don't have all the answers. But
there again, if it was,you know, proven that there were such
things as aliens and UFOs, howthen would they be able to explain this

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to the public. They couldn't evenif you said, we have UFOs and
we have aliens, we have theirtechnology, you know, we have so
we've had surviving members that have infiltratedthis plane of reality, whatever form they
come in. How then are yougoing to explain that to the public,
especially where the abduction phenomena is concerned. And I believe that, you know,

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this is why it's not as simpleas that you just have to mention
on the national users. There's awater shortage or a food shortage or a
fuel shortage, and you've got Mayhem. So God helped you know everyone if
they don't understand, because if it'scoming from an official capacity, this will
shake the very foundation. Of course, we've got some proof already coming forward

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from the Navy, as you know. But it comes in and goes out,
it dies. It's not something thatmakes the national real national news.
There it is, ladies and gentlemen, here it is. It's it's almost
done quite in a very teaching way, as it were, you know,
a teasing way, and left foryou to sort it out, and then
no more is said about it.So I don't think we're anywhere near to

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disclosure just yet. I think allof the good souls like yourself, many
other people who are doing the amazingwork and following your belief system and what
you believe, which is very important. I think that that's good for you
guys, all of us, becausewe're happy doing that. But I think
on a major skull, no,we'll have a real problem on our hands,
especially where religion is concerned, becausethat will throw there certainly a lot

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into the apple cart. Yeah.I mean, I think the Pope,
even several years ago, you know, I guess bracing for disclosure, said
if they are real, there arespace brothers and we need to evangelize them
and different things like that. Andyou know, and that's one thing that
Philip Mantle was talking about, justknowing that I was a believer, so

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he was, okay, so youjudge this as a you know that that
that there is a god consciousness andall of this. It's it sets up
the way that you believe in theway that you interpret and uh, and
we read into things. We youknow, we there's this we try to
look for for experiences scenarios that fitour biases or confirm our beliefs, you

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know, even though that that theymay not be true, may not be
real. That's just what we doas end of it. I think all
of us do that, but tolook at the information for what it is
if even if it contradicts hell,most of it does. Yes. The
interesting thing again for me is withthe CE five initiatives and people going out
making their own contact and so andit seems like it'd be something that you

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would want to take to the nextlevel because you can because I don't believe
that disclosure is gonna come from thegovernment. If it does, I'm going
to believe the exact opposite of whateverthey tell us it is, and most
likely they're going to tell us thattheir enemies or something like that, or
we're under attack. For me,I think that whether they're the grades or

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what type of beings, maybe eventhe Anunaki, some would say that the
Grays were these gods that created createdus. Yes, they're coming back and
working on us and even upgrading ourDNA. Hell, this vaccine is a
so called upgrade to your DNA.You know, it's it gets very tricky,
but I feel like they have beenhere since the beginning, since we

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were primitive, and bring out whatthe wheel was and what fire was,
and they've had this advanced technology andthey've been in the underground oceans and in
caves and in mountains some very strangethings that they're able to buy locate.
But the spirituality for me, playsa big role into it. Like you

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were saying talking about the telepathic communication, and that has been something that I
have experienced on several occasions of havinga citing something told me, hey,
look over there, there's gonna bea UFO and it told me that I
looked, boom, there it isand there was a jet flying across the
sky, and it told me thatthe jet is flying over here to make

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me leave my position. They're gonnathey're trying to, you know, get
me to leave so people won't seeme. And as soon as I seen
it, it was during the day, it and as soon as I've seen
the jet headed right towards it,it just vanished. And it like they
wait until you acknowledge them, andthey know that they know that you see
them, they say hello, andthey disappear. A lot of people would

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say that this is the government,like all of the UFO stuff is the
government, But when it comes tothe telepathic communication, that's where like it
those were meant in the government stufffor me because it is a spiritual connection
like of course. But then they'lltell you that the government has technology where
they can plant dots in your mind. Well you know this is yeah,
this is very dangerous territory. Butyou will know you as the individual,

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conscious awareness yourself will know what youare picking up what Okay, you don't
have all the answers, but youfeel it inside. And certainly, going
back to your very interesting point,I have always believed that our species had
derived from dare I said again extraterrestrialintervention, because you just have to look

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around and see that we are soweak. We're not adapted to this plane
of reality because we shy from ourown son. We don't have enough hair
on our body to protect us fromthe heat. We're very weak. I
do believe that a part of thehominid was used to fashion the Adom as
it were, and thus the creationprocess started. But I always have this
romanticized version that the gods then werevery different. They were more like us,

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I suppose, and I believe thatthe Grays could perhaps been a part
of them, or a faction ofthem. We don't know, We can
only speculate, but they do comeacross as like fallen angels, you know,
so they haven't done themselves much favorsthat they want to reach out that

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hand for complete brotherhood. But Ialso completely believe in higher beings, because
we're not just talking about the Grayshere. There are other interdimensionals of reality,
and I've had my fair share ofthose experiences, very enlightening experiences.
They have not all been negative.So perhaps our understanding of the way that

(47:43):
we try to break it down ona personal level, we can be,
you know, completely wrong about thewhole thing. So we have to be
very careful, but certainly it makesme laugh the CE five and I love
it. But we had done thatback in nineteen nine, not even realizing
that's what it's called today. Well, I know what CU five is for

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today, but never knowing that thatwould be something that people would be doing
on a larger scull because people lookedat you back then as if you were
lying, or you're completely you're goneround the bend. But it's so refreshing
and interesting from my perspective that allthose years ago that you know, it
makes me smile. People say,bring me the proof, where's the proof.
Well, we did this experiment withno cameras and I don't care.

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It doesn't bother me. It wasa personal thing that both myself and my
brother and Susan back in nineteen ninetyeight, eighth of June had witnessed and
there was a latest one ninth ofApril two thousand and sixteen, our last
sighting of three enormous spherical crafts thathave been filmed by my niece and one

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their way and hung above my numbermy brother's head when we were coming back
from a late night meal with friends, and that's been recorded and so whatever
proof you bring to the tape orpeople say, oh, I still don't
believe. I mean if even ifJesus Christ stepped off a craft or let's
stone him before I even a chanceto speak, you know, I think
we'll get thumbs down. I justtold you, if the president comes and

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tell me, tells me what itis, I'm not going to believe.
In No, I already will,but I've just told you I'm not going
to be you know, Oh it'svery complex, and you know we have
to be very also respectful because youknow, I don't have all the answers.
I only have a bunch of theorieslike many other people. And what's

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what's also damaging to my credibility isthe fact that I proclaim to many that
I have had what they call anabduction and being constant witness to UFOs SO
as a researcher and as also asan abductee's stroke experiencer. It kind of
like doesn't put you in good life. But I always say to my comrades

(49:57):
that you know, it's okay.We form a bond and a trust and
integrity and that's what we work withand we're just trying to find the truth.
That's what we're after. And youjust put the information out there and
you look at it and find thepeace to the puzzle, and eventually it
formulates a picture. And there's manydifferent sides of course, Oh yes,
oh yes, absolutely, and wehave to respect that because you know,

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we don't want to damage someone's beliefsystem, which is very, very destructive
to the individual. And it isa process of belief also that shapes our
reality as individuals. On a largerscale or a larger picture, there is
a much bigger force operating beyond thislevel of reality, I can tell you
and you know that as well,and it guides us or we felt sometimes
guided by this great power, thisforce that is so amazing and so oh,

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I can't find the words majestic thatit makes us want to be part
of that love, that unity,that intelligence of greatness and wisdom and love
and strength and power and all thesethings. So you know, we're still
looking into those areas and we probablywill be for a very very long time.

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Yeah, it's there's exploration, there'sbeauty, there's creativity. Yes,
there's imagination, there's all there's wonder. I mean, for me, the
CE five or any of the anysupernatural phenomenon really, but CE five is
one that I believe is, youknow that you can recreate Terence mckinna,
you know, the famous psycho Natsaid, he's you know, going in

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on psilocybin and DMT and magic mushrooms. And he would go into the other
realms and communicate with entities, yes, tell them the machine elves, and
these elves would communicate with them andtell them things about reality and how things
work. And he would try tohold onto something and bring it back and
write it down, and he wouldjust stay in this He's going into this

(51:49):
other realm, you know. Andso the Shamans did the same. The
Shamans did the same. They doperform these initiations to deliberately force the soul,
the consciousness, away from the physicalbody to enter these spheres. But
we live in a system unfortunately,that is telling us that certain things are
not right, only because it wantscontrol and order, and it turns everything

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round to make it look like you'rea bad person, or go and buy
that lovely, great big, youknow, range rover, and then you
get slapped on the hand for beinga gas guzzler. So my argument is
they give it in one hand andslap it in the other. You find
your happy medium and what works foryou to find your answers. As long
as it's not harming anyone else,and you're not really harming yourself at all,

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then go for it. I alwayssay, you know, just you
know, it's your journey. Everyone'stoo quick to point the finger and put
you in a little box and tellyou that you're wrong and bring you down.
No, no, no, no, no no, That's not the
way that we see things around here, especially where this subject matter is concerned.
Yeah, speaking about the demons again, you know, the angels and
demons and that whole thing. Oneis the things that I think that many

(53:01):
religious people get wrong or they mixedthe two together, is because we're you
know, you mentioned fairies that yourgrandmother said. It could have been fairies
that were coming to visit or whatever. Like, I feel like there's a
lot of different entities that there arewhat we call angels, there are what
we would call us oh yes,yes, all types of entities. So

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I really do feel like the Christianor the religious people are maybe having these
encounters with demons with lower level entitiesand tying it into euthology and just because
they had a being appear in theirroom and paralyze them and scare them or
whatever they did, a ghost,whatever it could have been anything. I

(53:44):
feel like a lot of people arereading into and saying that it was an
alien, that these are aliens,that these were grays or or whatever.
These these malicious uh, these beingswith a malicious intent were aliens, and
I feel like they're you know,I feel like it's an easy way out
versus saying that there are multiple thingsthat they could lead. Yes, yes,
there are multiples of dimensions of awareness. You know, we see things

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in a flat way in a flatlike a flat line, and we're cut
off from the other dimensions through theinfrared spectrum. And there probably are,
you know, an eternal amount ofother realities that coexist or we can connect
with on a unique in unique waysas it were, so you know,

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clairvoyance, remote viewing, healing,astral travel, shamanic experiences. It goes
on and on, but I respectevery single one of them because it's showing
us more about consciousness, the soul, creation, and our part as individuals
within this grand scheme of life.And I believe that the system that we

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serve has deliberately hampered our ability tothink outside the box and program us on
a very limited version of reality,saying that is right, that is wrong.
Don't look into the past, becausethis is how it happened, and
we're finding now that this is allwrong. So in the future we will
have a new science of the mind, and I believe that there will be

(55:19):
centers where people can you know,just about do what they want, whether
it be astral travel or remote viewingor shamanic experiences. You know, I
think they're all amazing and they're wonderful. So you know, I always laugh
and joke with people and say,well, I'm always up for it.
You know, you've got to havea sense of humor. Yeah, oh,
you definitely do. You definitely do. But it you know that there's

(55:42):
any end. You have more questions. And I've had, oh listen,
I've had a lot of experiences.I've had, you know, facilitated experiences
that it would definitely seem like Iwas making it up, like because people
go through life and they never haveany and then here's here's myself and many
of the individuals who have had manymore than one repeatable that you go out

(56:05):
and you look for them and theyhappen. You ask for it, and
it shows up in the way ofconsciousness and in the evolution of consciousness and
what you're expecting shows itself to you. It is very interesting as well.
But you know you have youthhology,aliens, angels, all of those things.
Yes, this is it sholf toyou, like even if it's real,

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just to you. That's the interestingthing. Like, because I wanted
to ask you, because we're talkingabout consciousness. We're talking about beings that
are able to create or or youknow, take away matter, pull you
out of your spirit, maybe evencreate if they are creators, Like what
about the connection that we have withthem or just the way the mind and

(56:52):
spirituality works. Is that like almostlike not the law of attraction, but
if you believe it, you createdit, Like what if that you know
that that the cf ive initiative thatyou went out there, you wanted it
so bad that it appeared. Andthere's there's definitely done studies where other people
were able to you know, imaginecertain things happening, and the law of

(57:14):
attraction and manifestation and all this stuff. Sometimes it takes time, maybe something
that's going on with the consciousness.But in any of the c fave stuff,
it's almost not instant, but it'swithin a few hours maybe that this
you can connect. Yes, Ithink maybe it didn't exist until you projected

(57:35):
that thought, that this ship orthis light came and said hello, Well,
you know, the mind is Isaid, un consciousness is amazing.
And this may be the actual facilitationof the whole of creation, and that
in this life we walk through onesingle life here on this planet. We
may go through varied numbers of them. I believe that, but we may

(57:57):
not get the full answers until weourselves were turned back to source or to
our real place of origin as itwere, you know. And it could
be possible that we are projecting thisor sending a signal out for it to
come in so that we change ortransform on some deeper level of the psyche
of the soul. One of thethings I will tell you that through the
main abduction that I had in nineteeneighty nine, one of the characters that

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was in it a gray. Iseem to recognize him, and it was
very scary, but also yeah,you know, I felt as though they
were old. That's the only wayI can explain it. I'm not saying
he looked old, but they feltold. And there is another researcher psa
back, an author who has kindof like put some pieces together with regards

(58:44):
to the abduction that I missed,because if you're honest and completely everything on
the table, he's been able toput a piece to that together. And
I was like wow. And therewere also psychic impressions that I had afterwards
that I'm still trying to work out. And I'm not saying that this was

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given by the Grays to me,no, but it's possible that these had
come in the form of some consciousopening or awareness that happens to all of
us. So we are looking atmultiple dimensional entities realities, and consciousness is
the main component that seems to beresponsible for this. Interesting. I agree
with what you say. Are wecreating this on a subconscious level ourselves?

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And it comes back to us?That has also crossed my mind as also
that you know, we as agenus were created from a blank canvas somewhere,
and perhaps the Grays are trying toremind us, are perhaps of the
dangers that we start to clone people? You know, we don't know,

(59:51):
I'm not going to go too fardown that road because I think I may
be falling into some very difficult waters. But certainly the Grays and many other
inter dimensional beings our reality. Theycome into our reality temporarily because we're not
matched by the same frequencies, sothey can only use a certain amount of
time or energy to manifest, andthat either we're matched by that density all

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day with us, it doesn't matter. There's an integration process, yes,
and it's temporary. It's temporary,but I believe that's something that's really incredible
and something that we're still looking intoresearching. So you know, a lot
of these things are in you thepublic deceive the Grand Euifo deception along with
some amazing accounts as well, andPhilip Mantle UFO Royalty we call them over

(01:00:40):
here in England has been enormous helpand it's good that we bash out all
our thoughts and ideas. But you'llstill get people saying, well, you're
wrong or you're barking up the wrongtree. And that's fine. I've got
past that point of feeling hurt fromthe general public, from people who attack
you through you know, media means, and it's like, it's okay,

(01:01:07):
I understand because you don't understand that, and I really respect that now,
so it's okay. People say,I don't believe you're saying, Well,
that's great, you know, seeingwhat I've seen. If you were there
in nineteen ninety four, you mighthave a different experience. Yeah, And
there's a level of respect. Andthe interesting thing for me now and I

(01:01:28):
noticed it's coming from religion of beingone who used to proselytize and try to
convince people of my way of thinkingand the way of living and stuff.
Now I'm not really into that anymore. But I do still have a message.
I still have ideas that I'm tryingto get out. But I don't
care if you believe them or not. You know, I'm just sharing them.
It's a beautiful thing now because peoplefind you don't even I'm not trying

(01:01:55):
to. Hey, check out myshow like every now and then. But
for the most part, listen ifyou want, If you the Google,
if you look up, if you'reinterested in uthology and you're interested in all
of the topics that we cover,the topics that you cover, people are
gonna find you. You don't haveto go out there and sell yourself and
try to get the world to believethat this is what's going on. Listen,

(01:02:16):
here is my research, and it'sand it's there. And because of
the Internet, now we just havepeople from all over the world who resonate
with your work, who are whoare interested in what you've devoted your life
to and then they just come alongand and they learn and they share and
all of that. And so thatis is so amazing now that we don't

(01:02:36):
have to really care what people think. You're gonna have people who are gonna
scoff, but there's other people say, hey, your work has changed my
life and I've had Yeah, that'swonderful. And you know what I always
say to them. If they don't, I say, let me see if
I can try and find the zipand pull the mask off. They look
at you as if you saying,oh, it's a joke. You know,
I've got a wicked sense of humanand you need that because you know,

(01:03:00):
in a lot of the real toughwork that we're challenged with with regards
to the research and applying the theoreticalmodels that we do is fascinating. And
I will continue to do that untilthe last breath. That I take on
this planet that we call Earth.But it is interesting, and I love

(01:03:22):
the people that I connect with verymuch, you know, very grateful to
them, and you know, youcan only do what you can do.
But it's really strange because through allthe years and years and years that I've
been seeking for that truth, andthen you know, trying to get published
by publishers, and then getting publishedby publishers and going forward and then losing

(01:03:42):
the publishers because they pass, andfinding Philip and other people. It's a
journey. And I'm more than happyto put into the lap of the younger
generation what we know because you arethe mental, You carry the mental,
you carry the light because you're goingto be here for a long time when
most of us people have left departed, you see, And well, but

(01:04:04):
we'll have we may have the answersthen them. Yeah, I mean,
I love you know. I dedicatemy work to too many researchers, and
I do music. I put alot of my US experiences in my in
my spirituality within my music, andI dedicate the albums to these researchers who
have who are along gone. Andthe interesting thing when we do our research

(01:04:26):
on that there there were a lotof people who had a lot to say
in the past, uh that wecan we can draw from whether it is
you know, ufology, spirituality,all of it. And so I definitely
like to echo and turn new peopleonto a lot of old work that we
don't have to recreate the wheel whenit comes to a lot of this either.
So it's really brilliant. Thanks forcoming on, man, I really

(01:04:49):
enjoyed this talk. Let people knowwhere they can go to check out your
your work, your books and everythingthat you're bringing to the table. What's
the best place for people to goto check out your work? Well,
amaz and you know that it's thenormal place. We all know Amazon,
it's the safest place and at leastwe as authors know we get paid for
them as like the other publish AndI'm on Facebook and you know, you

(01:05:11):
just type in my name and youknow there we are. But I want
to thank you because we're all important, we're all special. No one you
know, no one's the number one. We are all linked together. And
I think that's the important message totell everyone that keep doing your own research
and believe in what you believe,what it makes you feel right for you.
So don't change for anyone. ButI want to thank you certainly for

(01:05:33):
having me on your most excellent show, and I'm always very grateful. I
never seek it, but I'm morethan happy to talk if people want to
talk to me for sure. Thankyou so much. Philip really enjoyed it.
Man, Let's do it again.God bless take care, God bless
me. Bye bye, Philip Cansello. Ladies and gentlemen, good talk.

(01:05:53):
Listen. A lot of different opinions. I'm watching the chat, a lot
of different opinions, a lot ofdifferent belief systems when it comes to all
of this stuff, and what ifthey're all true? Again the consciousness thing.
What if what you believe shows itselfto you. So there's people who
would say that these are demons,and you know, what if that is

(01:06:15):
your truth? What if demons areshowing themselves to you? What if they
are appearing to you? But whatif they are angels? What if it
is the angelic? What if itis what some would say, Well,
they say that they are us fromthe future. That is, it is

(01:06:36):
us that is highly evolved coming backto say hello to ourselves as in us,
maybe not you, but maybe humanswho have evolved millions of years later
coming back say hello, what ifthey're just people from other star systems,
other dimensions. That was the thingwith the interdimensionals what he kept saying.

(01:06:59):
And there's a lot of people whodefinitely use that term interdimensional that you know.
Obviously the flat earthers use that termbecause they say space isn't real,
Space doesn't exist, it's it's notwhat we think it is. So there
is no entities living on other planetsor traveling from star systems, but they
are interdimensional beings that travel here.The avatar thing is very interesting that we

(01:07:23):
have the ability to go into otherrealms that we need a suit. You
guys remember the movie Avatar, rightwhere they had to create this character to
go in, but it wasn't reallyanother realm. Maybe then when we get
into technology, it's like the lawnmowerman. I mean Facebook, YouTube personas

(01:07:47):
that you create a version of youthat exists in another realm and technology,
Facebook and all this stuff. Thisis the Internet. This is a persona,
it's you exist as that avatar.I mean, it definitely happens within
technology. There are games called secondlife, you know, there are games
that people play that are really popular. Second Life is a big one where

(01:08:12):
people will create an avatar, acharacter of themselves, and they can rename
it, they can make it lookhowever they want, and they can project
themselves in that game and live asthat character and talk to the AI,
talk to the NPCs, the nonplayable characters, have dialogue all that stuff,
and then other people can drop intothat realm as well, like other

(01:08:32):
real people can create their character andthen they do stuff. There's people who
get jobs on the game, likethey have to. Instead of going to
a real job, they log intothis game and they go and do a
job for hours on end. Someof them are getting really realistic to like

(01:08:54):
you're a police officer, you're aconstruction worker, and literally you go to
these jobs and you generate in comeand coins in that game that you can't
spend in this world. Like inyour real reality you can't spend that money.
But in that game, you canbuild a nice house, you can

(01:09:15):
create a beautiful family. You canhave your kids that listen to you and
look up to you and respect you. Whatever that again, you can create
the life that you want within thatAI, that realm that is not real,
but it's real to you while you'rethere, the dream state movies,
all of this stuff. It's veryinteresting. It is a realm. It's

(01:09:38):
a member a game called Lord ofthe Realms, and it was very similar.
You know, you were able togo into the game and have these
people that you made allies with andpacts with, and every time you go
back into that game, you getto say hello. There's tons of movies
based on this stuff. But whatabout again, the Terrence McKenna who goes
into the monic realm of psilocybin andayahuasca and all of this stuff DMNT and

(01:10:06):
they're revisiting friends, They're seeing peoplein this other realm that they get to
say hello to. What about whenyou sleep? Have you, guys,
ever had that experience, like whenyou go to sleep and you dream,
y'all ever been to a place that'sfamiliar? Do you have friends? What

(01:10:30):
about friends when you dream? Likepeople who show up to you and they're
your friends and you don't know themin real life, but in the dream
you know them. And you've hadmultiple dreams where that person keeps showing up.
You have a friend in their dreamstate. It gets deep. I

(01:10:53):
don't know how uneth i don't evenknow that it's unethical that if we look
at it, you have to putyou have to walk a mile in their
shoes. I don't know how unethicalit would be for the abduction stuff to
really even be happening if you wantedto. There are other realms that exist.

(01:11:15):
They don't speak most of them don'tspeak English. But I guess the
more we would say advanced species ofaliens communicate telepathically. They communicate without words,
some communicate sign language, pictographs,There's different ways that they communicate.

(01:11:40):
It's interesting to think about. It'sjust like an ant. How would you
essentially an ant lives and they havetheir own world an ant has. You
can't speak English to an ant andtrain it and it knows what you're saying.
Again, Philip was even talking aboutthis. If we drop our cell

(01:12:00):
phones in an ant pile and theants build around it, they don't even
know how to work this technology.Probably even in a million years, ten
million years, they wouldn't. Mostlikely they could not evolve to the fact
that they were able to even powerthis thing on and get in here and
pull up my Facebook and message mystalkers. Like it's just foreign to them.

(01:12:32):
They couldn't use it. They can't. You can't communicate with them.
They exist, and that's something physical. I guess that's a physical too,
because I always like to tie inthe spirituality, the spirit realm too,
the biological realm, in the microscopicrealm. The microscopic organisms that live on

(01:12:55):
your body. You can't talk tothem. Hey man, stop, you
know they're literally fighting one another rightnow. Like if we go get soap
and wash your hands or take medicine. There's just wars and battles going on
on your body with living organisms thatlive on you, living your hair.

(01:13:17):
You know, they live all overyour body and they're living there. You
can't communicate with them. You can'ttalk to them. They can affect you,
though, So how would you doit? Like, how could you
like to communicate with them? Veryinteresting to watch those videos of the microscopic
organisms fighting one another. There'll belike these little amiebas or whatever, and

(01:13:39):
another one will come and he's doinghe's going around eating these little little pieces
of trash or something. I don'tknow what they're eating. It's very interesting.
It's a world within a world that'shappening on you. They go around
and eat these little like pac Man, just eating these little pieces of trash,
and a big one will come upand just eat him, and he

(01:14:00):
digests them and it becomes a partof him. It's crazy, gut rot,
gut bacteria, your gut biome,that all of this stuff is communicating
and becoming a part of you.Rat masters saying, yeah, you gotta
eat healthy, yeah, because thatjust like that organism eats another organism and

(01:14:27):
it becomes a part of them.Whatever you eat becomes a part of you.
We're getting deep going from one subjectto the next. But you see
how it's all connected. But howdo you communicate with those entities. You
have to become that entity. Youhave to become a multicell organism and shrink

(01:14:48):
down to their level. I mean. It just even ties into religion with
Jesus, as people believe that Jesusis God, that God's trying to communicate
with us and we can't hear them. He created us, but we don't
listen. So he had to becomeone of us and walk down here with

(01:15:08):
us to communicate, and we killedthem. Live right, love one another,
stand up for the broken, feedthe hungry, and they kill them.
So God left his throne, hisdimension and incarnated as an avatar into

(01:15:29):
our dimension so that he can talkto us, so that he can lead
and guide and help, and theykill him. What else is like?
What's the difference with the alien scenario? If we if most people say it's
likely we already have have alien technologyor crashed UFO, we're doing experiments on

(01:15:54):
them. We do it on monkeys, we do it on animals. We're
doing it. Government is definitely runningtests on these beings and chaining them up
and put them in cages. Sowhy would they not do it to us
to run testing experiments on us?Come down an experiment and see what makes
us tick? What makes us scared? Yeah? Show them images of war,

(01:16:15):
See what happens, Show them theirplanet exploding. See how they feel.
Are they moved with empathy? Theycan read your org filled and your
emotions. Man, Some of themreact this way. Others don't care.
Some people like it. Some peoplelike it. When the plant we show

(01:16:36):
them a image of their planet beingdestroyed, and they like it. They
hate people they like it, andso like we're getting it. I don't
think that from your perspective, itwas unpleasant. You didn't like it,
I was taken out of my bedand brought on this ship, and they'd

(01:16:56):
done these tests on me. Lookat it. You have to look at
it from your always have to putthe shoe on the other foot. You
have to put yourself in their shoesand see what's going on. Because I
think that it's bigger than just usand the UFO phenomena, alien abduction scenarios
and all of that. Very interesting, very near and dear to my heart.

(01:17:20):
I have a different relationship with alot of that. Now. It
started out with evil aliens, evilangels, demons, all that kind of
stuff, but it progressed into theangelic put Palladians. You know what I'm
saying. Beings of light love andeviborate at a higher frequency. You do

(01:17:42):
have falling entities. Fallen angels arereal, but I don't think that they're
riding around in spacecraft that they created. Put it that way. Fallen angels
are real. How did they fall? If you've read my book, you
know where I'm going. But theywere kicked out of heaven. It doesn't

(01:18:04):
take too much research to look upand see what heaven is. Heaven is
the sky. When you look upat the clouds and the stars and the
sun and the moon. You're lookingand you're gazing into the heavens. It's
the same words that she use therein the Greek and the Hebrew. Heaven
is the sky when you do theresearch, and then these these angels were

(01:18:30):
kicked out of heaven. If you'rekicked out, you don't get to just
fly back to heaven when you createa spacecraft and fly through the skies.
They're here on the earth with people. They're here with us. They're not
up there. Beauty, benevolence orwonder, creativity, guidance, all of

(01:18:55):
that. It's from above. Ifyou listen to my music, you know
that's a big part of it.So yeah, I'm big into it.
Man. Thank y'all for hanging out. Thank you for hanging out. I
had a TikTok video that is veryinteresting. That TikTok video went kind of

(01:19:17):
went viral overnight. It's interesting thatI'll put the same video on all the
platforms Instagram, YouTube, Facebook.I get twenty views, thirty views,
one hundred and eighteen views on onYouTube. You know, we did the
thing where we went out and gavea guy outside the road who was in

(01:19:41):
a wheelchair selling candies and cokes andstuff. We gave him five hundred dollars,
but that was donated from other people. I didn't give him my money.
Other people donated so that we cando that. We've done two videos
already and they get thirty views,forty views, you know. But I
put it on TikTok last night.Let me look and see how many views

(01:20:03):
it is. I'm saying that becauseI want you to follow me on TikTok.
I'm probably about to start using itmore definitely has more organic reach,
and it's pretty fun. But I'mgonna try to look at how many I
put a video up yesterday. Let'ssee, and it is at fifty thousand

(01:20:27):
views. That's not going to focus. But fifty thousand views. I made
a one minute snippet out of aten minute video. Very hard to do,
but yeah, follow me on there. It's kind of blown up.
Pretty cool, more reach. It'sso weird to me because I haven't had
a lot of like easy organic reachin years. I used to definitely in

(01:20:50):
the early days of YouTube and Facebookand all that. When you when you
like when you built up your pageand built up your audience and you put
something out, it would let everyeverybody see it. They don't do that
anymore. I get thirty views,you know, So it's very strange to

(01:21:13):
have put something out that goes viral. I used to All of my podcasts
used to be super viral on YouTube. Like I said, I've been doing
this for a long time. Noweverybody has a podcast. But I remember
putting putting out YouTube videos and livestreams and all that, and I get
fifty sixty thousand views on whack contentLike it wasn't that quality was real bad,

(01:21:34):
all of that stuff. But it'sreal. But it's went down over
time. It's more crowded, right. The everyone's a creator. Everyone's doing
the same stuff you're doing now.So to be a pioneer doing that stuff
early on, it's changed over theyears. So I don't get a lot

(01:21:56):
of viral videos anymore, you know. I So to see that video overnight
blow up to fifty thousand views,it's pretty cool. Follow me on TikTok.
I may do something on there.It's pretty creative. TikTok guide us
through the pandemic, man, it'sgetting us through the pandemic. TikTok is

(01:22:17):
TikTok made us all laugh, madeus all focus our attention on other stuff
when they're trying to scare us onthe television and scare us with the news
and millions are gonna die, Millionsupon millions are going to die, and
they got us all scared. Man, turned the TV off and put on
TikTok. Man, let's just scrolland laugh and look at funny cat videos

(01:22:40):
and parents pulling pranks on their kidsand stuff. I'm telling you, TikTok
guide us through the pandemic, andit's getting us through the pandemic. Follow
me on TikTok. That's the platformtyping truth seeker on TikTok. You'll love
it. I'm trying to get creativewith it. I have a bunch of
my songs on there where I justI go back and forth rap a couple
of bars and other people are duettingit and finishing the lyrics or whatever,

(01:23:04):
like rapping my songs with me.It's pretty cool. So you can do
it videos and do that a bunchof really cool stuff, inspirational stuff.
We're gonna keep doing it too,And so if anybody wants to give,
because we're gonna create more videos.We've already got people continuing to give.
I did one I wanted to doit, asked for a donation. We
went out and did the homeless video. We gave this dude. We spent

(01:23:26):
a thousand dollars on a random homelessguy. I put it out there.
I wanted to do it. Everybodydonated. We made a thousand bucks and
I went out and we wined anddined them, took him out to eat,
took him to Walmart, Hey,buy whatever you want. He was
just traveling through. He was juston the road walking. Hey you need
a ride. Boom, yeah,jumped in. That's a long video too.

(01:23:46):
I'm gonna turn that into a shortclip too. You know, people's
attention spans are short. They ain'tgot time to get to the juice or
to meet the juicy part or themeat and potatoes. They just want it
there. So boom, I'm gonnaend edit that ten minute video or twenty
minute video into a one minute videoand make a little highlight reel. It's
very hard to do, but I'mgonna do that. So the full videos

(01:24:09):
are up. You can watch themon YouTube if you want to watch the
full videos, but if not,you can watch the little one one minute
clips too. So we've done tooso far. We're gonna do more.
Are people are giving, people aredonating to this cause. If you want
to do it my cash app,go to my cash app on my Venmo,

(01:24:29):
but follow me on those other platformstoo. So we're gonna do more
videos. Like I had somebody donatinga large, large amount. They want
to be with me when I shootit. So we're just gonna go out
helping people. Man, making itfamous. Man, you know what I'm
saying, Doing videos that inspire peopleto do good works. People. Oh
well, you gotta film it becausey'all filming. They got a video went

(01:24:50):
viral this week. It's the dude'sslapping another guy with like a a t
y'all see that video, right,The guy's calling them the N word,
the bag and to do grabs acan of tea and millions upon millions upon
millions of views. Funny, hegot what was coming to him. And

(01:25:10):
there's a bunch of other videos ofpeople doing negative stuff that gets viral that
goes famous. Challenges the condom challengeyou ever heard of that that was viral
for a little while. Kids weredoing it. What is it? Take
the condom, snort it up yournose, reach in your mouth, and

(01:25:31):
pull it out your mouth. Thesewere challenges that got real popular that went
viral. Stupid stuff. The knockoutchallenge? Where was that? Find a
random person, walk up behind him, hit him as hard as you can,
somebody you don't know, and tryto knock him out. They were
doing it to old people, youngthugs going up behind old people knocking them

(01:25:51):
out for no reason. Knockout challengewent viral. Guess what we're going to
do, beautiful challenges. We're goingto make, you know, inspirational videos
and make that go viral. Weshould be doing it, whether recording it
or not. So the Twisted Tea. So do Oculus Virgins? What is

(01:26:15):
that? Is that people for thefirst time playing Is that what you mean,
Chris? The Oculus Virgins like thefirst time they play Oculus. Yeah,
So if y'all seen that, that'son I need to put it on
TikTok. It's not on TikTok.But my buddy Phil came over the other

(01:26:39):
day and let me see, Iprobably show this to you guys. If
you're listening to the podcast app,which most people are listening on the podcast.
You're not gonna be able to seethis, but let me see if
I can show this on the videoif that's what you meant by Oculus Virgins.

(01:27:02):
First time playing Oculus? What isthis called? I gotta fix this
stuff me and web. That's notthe screen. It's gonna be the other
one. So sorry for this,guys. There's zoom so that's me.
I'm fix this real quick on stream. Try to anyway. Boom oh that

(01:27:32):
should be it. Yeah, okayfor those of you who are listening,
you're not really getting to see muchbut or hear much. But I'm gonna
show you this video, he said, Oculus version. So this is my
I did one with my wife,but my buddy Phil came over I think
the day after Christmas or Christmas Eveor something. Let me see if I

(01:27:55):
can find it. It's my Facebookpage. If you're not following me,
follow me on Facebook. Right here. This is my buddy Phil. Let
me see. I have to changehere. Were hold on, don't hit
me? Feel whoop his butt?Phil? Grab something at the bar.

(01:28:24):
You gotta get him off of yourfirst day. Go hit him in the
job ooh he duck, oh,guide him Phil, Grab something at the
bar. Pick it up. Wait, wait, grab something at the bar.
Phil They coming, they coming,They're coming for you. A big

(01:28:53):
dude. All he's gonna be hard. Is that what you're talking about,
Because I'll let him play this.This is this first time. And then
I have one called Richie's Plank Experienceexperience or something, and you getting the
elevator and I put I turned iton for him and uh, and he

(01:29:13):
didn't know what it was. AndI turned it on and I told him
to get in the elevator. Sohe gets in an elevator. I said,
push it a little button right there, go up to the top floor.
So he pushes the button and he'sin the oculus or whatever, and
it takes him to the top floor. And then the elevator opens up,
chi ching and it gets out andhe's like way up in this on the
skyscraper, looking down like he's beenin the fall. I was like,
and there's a little bitty plank outin front of him. I said,

(01:29:35):
get out, get out, andget out and walk across the plane.
He said no, wait. Itry to grab his shirt and pull him.
He's like a lot of people falldown and do a little funny stuff
their first time playing. It's atrip. So anyway, I a little
fun stuff like that. If youdon't follow me on TikTok, I'll probably

(01:29:56):
be doing a lot more stuff onthere because I'm getting more reach. We
do these video and stuff when weget one hundred views. Man, you
know what I'm saying and freaking gettingfifty thousand views on TikTok. The algorithms,
man, they're suppressing a lot ofthis stuff. Most of myself won't
even show up in Google. Ifyou look at a lot of my songs,
if you try to find a musicvideo, you can't find them.

(01:30:18):
If you try to find like,you could type in my name and the
name of the song, it won'teven bring it up. It'll bring you
something by Blake Shelton. What theheck you type in true Seek a fly
to the navigator and it pulls upBlake Shelton Friday Night Lights, something like
what the hell? Nobody listen SEO. All of this stuff should work up

(01:30:41):
if you're looking for it. Whywould it give you something else besides the
video? It seems to fluctuate.I only think that it is something I've
complained about this a lot. Itmesses you up. It definitely messes you
up. I do complain about thisa lot. It sucks, but it
fluctuates. So let me see ifI can show you here. So we're

(01:31:04):
on my YouTube, and sometimes sometimesit works, other times it doesn't.
So let's just try a couple.Sometimes I'll get on here and it works,
so all of this complaining is invain. But other times I get
on it and I can't find myselfnowhere. So let's just but I have
to search for myself. Let's trya truth seeker flight of the nav I

(01:31:28):
g e. T or flight asa navigator. Okay, that comes up
now. It used to not comeup. I had to keep looking forward.
Let's see truth Seeker hopefully, hopefullythey fixed it. Let's see if
what is some more of my songsthat I got videos to. Let's see
Golden Teachers boom looking good, lookinggood, Disciples of the Mysterium, Disciples

(01:32:00):
of the It's on the official page, so that's working. Let's see.
Uh seems to be working better now, but there was a time where all
of this stuff was hidden. Let'sa truth seekod starlight. Huh. That's

(01:32:23):
great, love it. I'm gladI'm proved wrong at this now, but
there definitely was a time where thisstuff wasn't coming up when I typed in
the name of it. I can'thate on that. Can't hate on that,
all right, guys, TC Texasas my brother, I made it.

(01:32:45):
I love you. What's up?Man? Twitter is getting a lot
worse with the same situation. Illuminussays, yeah, man, my Twitter
game sucks. Always has. Iget zero reached on Twitter, never never
gotten anything, even with my Facebookpopping, like I've been stuck at like
almost like fifteen point five thousand viewsand I don't get any new new reach.

(01:33:10):
I don't get any I don't getanything on That sucks. There was
a time where it was popping.It was popping for sure, reached a
lot of people, But now yougotta pay So with that, I'm gonna
say, peace, y'all really enjoyedthis. Y'all have a happy New Year.
Man, stay safe out there,and uh it's gonna be good.
So I'll holler at y'all later.We'll do more. We got more coming,

(01:33:36):
shaloon. Peace joke so much,so much, so much, so
much deeper. Well that doesn't forthis episode, folks, to hear more
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