What They Saw In The Woods Was Not Just Light

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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I do care what Jesus thinks.

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He's going to be there, so he must must think
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Jesus is gonna be at our retreat Yeah, we're bringing
them with us.

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Who else is gonna be there?

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Corrine Grillo? Are awesome friends going to be there because
he's a host?

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Yeah?

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And guess what, the listeners, you are going to be
there if you so desire, if you want to be
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We do Trusik and Aaron concerts. At the end of
the retreat. We did our first one, which was amazing.
Aaron freaking grabbed the mic and finest it and and

(01:19):
it's all etherical and magical. So we're gonna be doing that.
But it is June the twelfth through the fifteenth. What
all are we're going to be doing.

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I can't tell you everything. I gotta leave some things
for surprise, but we're going to be doing cacao ceremony
concert by surprise she means mushrooms. Oh no, no, anyway,
go ahead, Sorry, I surprise you just go ahead.

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There's an add on day with mushrooms. That's why I'm
being joking. People asking about the plant ceremony thing and
uh and so there's an extra day.

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That's an add on mushrooms.

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Yeah.

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So if those who want.

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To be a part of that ceremony that Corren Guerrilla
is leading, and you're there and you want to do that,
you can get that add on.

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Yeah. The rest of it is go ahead. I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
You know, the usual prayer, meditation, cacao sound healing, singing bowls, concert,
communing with nature, learning about sacred communion and what it
really means, because it's not really the shameful thing that
we've been taught in church. It can be joyous and ecstatic,

(02:30):
which is why we named it ecstasia. What isstasia, Well,
it's a state of ecstasis, which is spiritual ecstasy, joy, bliss, laughter.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
Do you have to take anything?

Speaker 3 (02:47):
No, really, no, you don't have to take anything. You
can get there on your own with your breath, with
just bringing your body and your breath and connecting to
spirit that way, you don't have to have anything outside
of yourself.

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Yeah.

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already know there's a stirring in your spirit and you

(03:22):
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how go to Seer dot School get a ticket, and
we can't wait to give you a big hug.

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And right now, the early bird pricing is still active.
Depending on when this comes out, probably around a week
or so, it'll be ending.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
So a couple days ago.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
Yeah, so you need to get on it if you
know it's for you.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Oh, we're going deep into nature.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
We're going deep into to talking to God through nature,
through the planets, through the trees, through the birds, all
that kind of stuff. Stars, star gazing. Part of the
the I'm doing a a workshop webinar teaching on how
to film cloud entities in UFOs and those things with
your cell phone, be able to catch it on cell
phone where anybody can do it, And that's going to

(04:03):
be fun. I've been able to just to kind of
just walk people through the process and online and people
send me videos of their stuff, just freaking bugged out,
and most of the time their footage is way better
than mine, at least their.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Location or whatever.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
They're capturing some really wild stuff in our skies on camera,
which is pretty fun.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
But we're going to be doing that.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
So yeah, so bring your cell phones. Yeah, maybe a
laptop if you have one.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Divine ecstasy it's a religious ecstasy ex stasis stasia. It's
mentioned of in the Bible. Holy laughter, a feeling of
the bliss, bliss and divine on wonder, bewilderment to be
outside of oneself.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
We have a guest.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Today in the studio, Reggie, have you ever felt that
any any of that? Have you ever felt religious ecstasy?
A state of bliss where nothing else met where there
are no bills, where there are no no arguments, no worries. No,
it's just pure bliss and euphoria that can last for
a moment or can last for days.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Have you ever experienced absolutely? Several times? Man, thank you
several times. Welcome to the show man, Thank you man.
How you doing, how you're doing. That's good to be here. Man, Ah,
it's so good to be here. What's up? Brother? Well,
I don't know, man, I could tell you one experience
that stands out to me. You want to talk about
like euphoria and bliss. Year was twenty twelve, and that

(05:31):
was a really tough year. Man. I lost my youngest
child that year, and I was married at the time
of marriage, started going through some hell, you know, and
I went out under the stars one night after a
really intense argument with my now ex wife, and I
went out under the stars and just kind of started

(05:52):
what I think the scriptures might talk about, crying out
to God. You know. I literally like your soul is
just like open raw just saying here, I am, you know,
just dedicate my whole life to chasing after a being
that I don't even know if you exist. And I
remember like I got to that point and I fell

(06:14):
down on my face in the field next to my
house and my like, I just had grass in my
mouth and everything, like I was like completely undone, sobbing,
and I remember I felt and the best way I
know not explain it as is if it was like
a breath, like it just kind of went. It just
came over me, washed over me from my head all

(06:34):
the way down to my toes, and I felt I
didn't hear an audible voice, but I felt as true
as I've heard anything the words I love you. And
I remember like at that point, that was a time
i'd actually I don't know if you remember. Back around
twenty twelve, twenty eleven, it was a YouTube channel came
out called Spirit Science. Yeah, I was a Jordan Rivers yep, yes,

(06:56):
and I had been watching some of that, but he
was you know, I remember he was talking about a
lot of things in there, and I remember at that
moment just feeling that unconditional love, right, and that that
peace and that presence that is like nothing else mattered, dude.
And I ended up like sitting there in that field.
I don't know how long sat there, and I remember

(07:17):
like some of my neighbors come walking by and they
saw me just sitting there and they were like, okay, dude,
I'm like, yeah, I'm good man. Like I was, like,
I went from feeling like my whole will was falling
apart too, It's okay. Everything, everything is okay. And I
keep so like anytime I ever have a conversation with

(07:38):
anybody that's like, hey man, how do you know God's real?
I said, that's my God moment because everything's okay. Like
I know, dude, I said, I don't know how to
explain it. It's an experience that if you don't ever
experience it, then it's just words. Man. Why you had
started off getting so deeperent to made me?

Speaker 2 (07:53):
You asked me, dude, you ask I want something funny, man,
I want to say. You know, I was singing to
you know, I went to a Toby Matt concert. Toby Mac
sung this song. I just felt spiritual ecstasy. It was
so awesome.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
I thought we're going to get something like that. Yeah, dude,
I went right for the top. I went for the
right for the top of the pyramid, dude. Yeah, man,
you know, and it's it hits home and it's sad.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Because there's a lot of people going through it like
what you went through and uh, and they don't feel
that religious experience, they don't feel that released. They still
feel that hell. And you still feel it too. I
know it's there. I say, I'm doing it's okay, Like
it's still there's a balance and it's a there's a
there's a there's a chaos in there, and there's a

(08:40):
lot of stuff and a lot of feelings mixed feelings,
you know. But there's a lot of people going through it, man,
right now, and it's it's Uh.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
I'm not saying that I deserved it either, to be
honest with you, dude, Like I was like out there
calling got out, like I'm trying not to get emotional,
dude because this this hit. But I was like, dude,
I came here because I felt like you brought me here,
you know. I came to I left. I was living
here where you this is where I met you here
in the mobile area, you know, and I left. I

(09:10):
was happy here yea and I thought I was swallowing God,
went to a place, went to a different state, and
just everything started falling apart. And I was when you
hear people talk about dark Knight of the Soul, That's
where I was at. And I've been through a lot
of stuff since I moved to the Atlanta area, but
at the end of the day, like nothing compares to

(09:31):
how alone I felt when I was living there. And so,
like I said, I don't know that. I can't sit
here and say that I had a special formula worked out.
All I know is that, man, dude, I just had
come to the end of it and I was about
I was like, you know, it's one of those moments,
like God give me something where I'm going to just
have to walk away, like and he just it was

(09:52):
literally like he just kind of looked down on it.
I mean, and that's all it takes for him. But boy,
it change the whole world, dude.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
I heard the same story recently from like this big podcaster,
literally the same story on the George Jenko's show, Jajenko Show,
and the dude said the same story and but but
that those that situation and circumstance made him become an
atheist because like, I devoted my life to following you,

(10:22):
So I feel like I had this protection. I feel
like my marriage was gonna be okay. I feel like
everything's gonna be okay because I've you know, I don't sin,
and I follow God, I read the Bible, I go
to church, I serve at church, and then my wife
cheats on me, and then this happens and stuff, and
it's like, all these bad things happened to me. So
it obviously, you know, shows a lot of things, but
maybe it shows that, you know, you the person was

(10:43):
following God so that he would have some kind of
a backup plan that that didn't work. That God isn't
you know, he doesn't guarantee, Like none of those things
are guaranteed.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
You have to work at all of.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
Those things if you will, right, But it's it's beautiful
that you're still here year and you still have a
piece in you.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
You know what I'm saying. Yeah, it's moving forward. Yeah,
you and I we we stayed in touch over the years,
and you and I both have been on an interesting
journey and it seems like we have a lot of parallels.
So I remember we've had I can remember conversations with
you back around twenty thirteen. We're gonna get into them. Yeah,
we're gonna get into them. But I just it's interesting
looking at the journey you go on and that piece.

(11:24):
It's not something that he like deposits in you, and
it's just like, Okay, you know, I guess a lot
of people they want that thing. It's like that final deal, right, yeah,
And it's like, oh, well I had it way back then.
Anytime I doubt it, I just go back to that moment. Yeah,
it's not like that. So I don't want kind of
misconstrue it like, oh, I had it then, so I
know God's really it's something that continues a perpetual I

(11:46):
thought I had it then. It's probably a better way, yeah,
because there are a lot of people that might say, yeah,
I had an experience, but now I don't feel anything right,
So they might be at a different point, you know,
in the belief system and things like that.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
You mentioned Dark Knight, going through the Dark Knight of
the Soul. I remember like as a badge of honor.
Oh yeah, come to Jesus moment, man, it was.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
The Dark Knight. Man.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
I went through hell and I had demons. I was
possessed by demons.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
And it was the Dark Knight. So I've experienced a
dark Knight.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
And then, you know, ten years, fifteen, twenty years later
into walking with Christ You're like, oh, that wasn't you know?
That was a dark Knight. You're gonna have a dark month.
You gonna have a dark you know year, you know,
a season of darkness.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Are you ready?

Speaker 2 (12:27):
It's like, oh, my god, I thought I knew you
had nothing to judge it off of until.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
You go through that.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
Yeah, I know. Before we actually listened to the audiobook
of Dark Knight of the Soul, I just thought it
was kind of like a night literally, like a twenty
four hour period, like you just hit this rock bottom
low or something. But it's really a process that goes
on your entire life. Really. I mean, you're always in

(12:54):
the process of getting out the darkness and getting out
the the bad things that are in you and exchanging
it for light. But it's always the titles misleading. It's
not just a dark night, it's your whole life. Is
this this dark night? But the more work you do

(13:15):
and the deeper you go and to get into darkness
out the parallel is the ecstasis, and the light gets brighter,
so the contrast becomes greater.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
Almost seems like you can tap into it more readily.
I guess I can't know. It can't.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Like these tears and stuff like they're new, like there
is there's a depths to them. I shared my testimony
like I've shared my testimony hundreds of times, but then
like here recently I started talking about Jesus like I can't,
like I can't not cry. I don't know why. It's just,
you know, it just hits. It hits differently now sharing
the same stories, maybe stories we used to laugh about

(13:53):
and you were like, man, I missed that story.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
Man, it was a beautiful time in my life.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Or you know, just all of these things. This reason
to what we just talking about communion and communion and
the word Eucharist or ucaristo, and it means to find
gratitude in something.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
And it's like, can.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
You go through the bs, the dark knight and find
something that you can touch that's going to bring you gratitude.
Can you look at back at your marriage, can you
look back at your childhood and be like, man, thankful
for that?

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Mm hmmm. A lot of people can't.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
And uh, and that's what that's what separates the sheet
from the ghost is the fact that we can and
we we're gonna, We're going to You shouldn't you shouldn't.
You should be mad, you should be angry at God.
You should be like that dude on the podcast, you
should be an atheist f God, cursed God and died
like Job's wife said. It's like, nah, I ain't that stupid?

(14:52):
Like I know that this experience, whatever it is, has
been a blessing, right, and uh, you know why is.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
It going to change? Now?

Speaker 2 (14:59):
Ye?

Speaker 3 (15:00):
What faith is, man, it's believing when you can't see
it in that moment.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
I keep going back when you mentioned the gratitude and
the Eucharist, you know, I keep going back to gratitude
is like the gateway of opportunity, right, and it goes
hand in hand with faith, right, Like I don't, I
don't know if you can really truly have faith if
you don't have gratitude rooted in you somewhere, right. It
takes it takes that to make it work, right, And yeah,

(15:27):
and find it whenever you for me, you know, there
are there is a temptation to get angry at God. Right. Sure,
there have been times where you're just like God, WTF,
what's going on? But but then there's you know, if
you if you have that gratitude present. It's like, if
I know that every good and perfect thing comes from Him,

(15:49):
you know, and all the good stuff I've been thankful for,
then if something doesn't go my way, that doesn't trump
all the good. Yeah, like all the good just kind
of it's like, no, you know what, I ain't gonna
put that on God or really not.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
We started putting all the good, all the bad things
on God, but not the good thing. That's one thing
I was I pushed back against a lot.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
Of atheists lately.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
It's like they want to blame God for all the bad,
but they want to take credit for the good.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
Hold on, that's about Uh, if you're gonna blame God
for the bad, won't you blame him for the good too.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
If you're going to take credit for the good, why
don't you take credit for the bad? Because vice versa?

Speaker 1 (16:24):
Right? Right? Yeah, I don't know, man, I've explored it,
and it's just I can't. I can't personally go there.
You know. It's like, and I've had conversations with atheists
that are very close to me, and they'll be militant
and they'll say things like, you know, I think it's
all made up. I don't think God's real blah blah,

(16:45):
blahah cool cool, whatever. But then whenever I mentioned it,
then it becomes the badat. I'll be like, and I
just said, look, when you push it back a little bit,
I say, look, dude, you know I'm not going to
argue with you. I'll fight you over something else. But
you know, when it comes to God, even if God
exist within the consciousness of men of loan, a men
mankind of loan, I'm sorry, even if God exists within

(17:05):
the consciousness of mankind alone, God exists because of how
many people believe in God. And I said, even if
it's even if God exists as a concept, yeah, it
is so certain we get it to the power of belief,
which I know that's I don't want to like get
ahead of the cart ahead of the horses here, but
you know that's what it comes down to. For me.
It's like, yeah, yeah, dude, you want your problem. If

(17:28):
God didn't exist, you wouldn't have such a problem with him.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Yeah, So what I'm saying, man just think of this
like the old cartoon like Scooby Scooby, because that was fake.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
Like they has a lot of faith though, But.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Think of a ghost and you couldn't see the ghost
unless you had a sheet. The ghost had a sheet
on it. If you pull that sheet off that ghost,
you couldn't see the ghost. So it had to have
a container, it had to have something that gave it
its form. So this idea of God, like the belief
of God. And we said, well, go, Jesus is God. Brother,
It's like he doesn't get any deeper than that.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
It doesn't. It's like, no, like you're right, he is.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
But like that is to you know, denounce or say
that every other concept of God or belief or a
perception of God is wrong. No, it's like the simple
fact that you have the perception that there is a
God like creates it and allows you to experience it
because you give it a form.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
You think that maybe religion can be a sheet. Oh
for sure. Just make sure I'm understanding, because I think
that's where my mind went.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, well it's religion or even yeah, and
everything in religion.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Saying that religion is bad, I'm not saying sheets are bad.
It helps us see for sure. But if you want
to see yeah, yeah, like if you if you need
to see it and you don't just want to use
the other sentences or whatever. Yeah, that's what the sheets
are there for, right.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yeah, or you need you need that to encounter it,
Like we need Jesus to be a man who is
touched by our infirmities. We need him to look a
certain way. I have a picture of you know, a guy,
you know that I that's not Jesus, you know, but
to us, to me, you know it is. You don't
look like that. This this picture of these these saints
here right behind me too. This is gape pistis Sophia

(19:12):
and elpis right, And those are personifications. Those aren't real women,
like the most likely those women never existed, but they're
celebrated in the Catholic Church in the Early Church and
other mythologies. But they embodied them as real people, so
that because you're a real person, you think you are

(19:32):
right and so it allows you to well, if they
went through it through prayer and they made it through,
then I can too. So it's these stories and encouragements,
these cloaks and things that they wear and they're literally
wearing sheets, linen clothing. Right, that allows you to encounter
them and and to you know, remember their story, you know,
to get some type of energy or some type of

(19:54):
eucharists from it.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
Said, well, if God did it for them, he could
do it for you could do it for me. And
which that's true if you believe it, you know.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
And so there's a beauty to religion, especially when you
use it for the good of mankind, which is which
I think it was supposed to you know, it's using
This is the definition of magic or white magic is
using the forces of nature and the power of God
for the good of mankind. And so I think that's
what religion is supposed to be.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
Yeah. Another way to look at it, too, is that
we we are those containers. Like you know, we always
say Christ is in all and through all, and Jesus
doesn't have thumbs. We say that a lot, That's what
we say. That we get to be His hands and feet,
and we get to hug people, and we get to
perform sound baths for people and sing music for people and.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
Do podcasts and try our best to encourage people.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
Yeah, so that we get to be that container you
get to.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
Create the best version of yourself and then give that
or create someone you're proud of and give that person
to the world.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Yeah, And you know, and our religious response is some
kind of Jesus, right, You're like trying to be Jesus
to you. I'm trying to you know, walk in compassion
and love. And those are the qualities that I find
in him that I've got.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
He has tons of more qualities that we.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Don't even know because we haven't we haven't put a
sheet on it, like, we haven't been able to experience
it yet. Unless you go through the dark night, unless
you piss him off, like, oh, he doesn't get pissed
off one of that, you know, like unless you you know,
hurt one of his sheep, unless you cause one of
these little ones that believe in me to stumble. And
then you're going to see what the you know, the

(21:33):
back of you know, back hand.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
Of the Lord looks like, you know, it's these different
sides of God.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
All of it's God, it's just parts that we haven't experienced.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
You want to learn, you want to learn more about God.
Look within, you know, examine yourself. You know, it's one
thing I've learned, and it's not to bring God down.
It's actually just realizing we're made in His likeness, oh
for sure. So that's like I was having a conversation
with somebody the other day and they were I don't
know how we got on it. So somebody got in
a fight and got the rest of blah blah blah.

(22:05):
And I was like, well, so you did, and what
you do? Oh, I know, I said. What I said was,
I said, you know, there are very few things I'll
go to jail over. But I said I and I
think we might have been talking about fighting over a
female or something. I said, there are two women in
this world I go to jail for, and that's my
mother and my daughter. And so that right there, you

(22:25):
know what I'm saying. And then of course if I
was married my bride, So that right there, it kind
of gives you some insight into what's right, gives you
some insight what I'm saying. Yeah, it's me, not you,
but yeah, because I'm like, man, I don't care about
women or whatever. Dude whatever, But dude, I'm not going
to jail. But nobody. Okay, you say that, I tell you,

(22:46):
I tell you right now that there are two people
that if someone messed with I know that I'd be like,
that's okay, I'll go sit in jail. I've already had
that conversation with myself. It's okay, I'll go to jail.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
And then, so now you believe in that that God
would do the same for you. I think that if
somebody mess with you and you see.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
God, you see that God can he you know he's God.
You know he writes the rules. So saying that he
breaks the rules is kind of an arbitrary thing, right,
But watching watching you know the way that humans act
whenever it comes down to doing what is right for
those that they love, you know, or.

Speaker 4 (23:19):
Doing right for those that they don't love. Even deeper, Sure, sure, sure.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
We turn it up right. Yeah, And there might be
an incident where you just see injustice being done right.
But I just know personally the conversations I've had with myself,
there might be something that it just happened so fast
and then somebody's like, Reggie, what were you think? It'll be? Like, dude,
I just wanted to do the right thing.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
I couldn't not I could have I'm like, a I
could not?

Speaker 1 (23:43):
Yeah, how could anybody.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
And that's the weird thing too, of like the matrix
of like how can we look around and like nobody's
saying anything against injustice or you guys are letting this
stuff go on and turn the blind eye to it,
which is essentially who and what the character of Jesus
is and did right no matter where he went, and
that's what got him in trouble. It's like he's walking

(24:05):
by these you know, pharisee religious pious figures who are
about to stone this woman caught in the act of adultery.
He was like, man, I know you, I know your family,
I know that you commit adultery. I know you y'all
are about to kill like hold on, Like there's got
to be a better way.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
They would say to themselves, like if he knew what
kind of woman this one woman this was, he wouldn't
even touch her, you know, and he wouldn't allow her
to touch him, you know, and things like that. And
he's like, yeah, I do know what kind of woman
she is. You don't. You don't I know what I know,
her future, her pastor present. You don't. So that's what

(24:43):
we got to take into consideration.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
Man, So beautiful Christ was a portal. He is a portal,
He's a doorway. And to read in the Word when
it talks about that he's the way, the truth and
the life, and you can only come to God, come
to the Father through him. To read that, and you
see that he's opening a new door by saying that

(25:08):
that he's the way that people used to get to God.
Was following the rules by the letter, by the law,
Like they were stoning that woman because it said somewhere
on a tablet that you should stone a woman called
in the Act of adultery. But the new law of love,
he was able to flip it and like, if you
kill her, you should just kill yourself because you're guilty

(25:30):
of the same crime. Like he became a new door
for people who were excluded, who are counted out, the lepers,
the people called in the Act of adultery, the tax collectors,
all the people who couldn't access the only door to
get to the Father. He opened a new door.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
For them, because they're looking for a literal door.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
Like I don't even think that, Like because he said,
no new law give unto you, I'm not like destroying
all this.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
There's a new way.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
It's like y'all just don't know what you're reading. Y'all
don't know how to interpret. Y'all thought this literally meant
to go out and stone people. This meant that you
have a heart of stone and you need to break it.
Like there's some deeper spiritual understandings that you always projected
on others. None of that was about anybody else. All
of that was about you and God. You are the

(26:23):
You are the enemy, you are the good guy. You are,
You're all of it. You're God's beloved, you are the
one that this son that is loved and the son
that is rejected.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
You are and you.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Experience and feel all those things. But yet this weird
self righteousness as were separated from God, but not really
you project out on everybody else. Or those are the
bad guys, those are the unclean, these are the clean,
This is the this is who we should love, that's
who we should hate. And knowing that it was all
like these allegories and metaphors of our existence and our life,

(26:58):
and like, I feel like Jesus understood that and was like, man,
y'all are literally about to kill this woman. And if
you really and he said, if you really believe it
was literal. You'll go you do what Aaron did. I
want to repeat that, but it would take yourself into
her place. You will put yourself on a letter about it,
stone you because you next if you kill her, you're next, right,
because that's really.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
I have to be You have to be able to
read it that way. You know. You there is a
letter of the law, but there's a spirit of it,
you know, And and Jesus the letter of the law
and the spirit kill it. Yeah, that's right, and the
spirit give the life. That's right. And that's why Jesus
said I am the door. Maybe he literally became the law,
like literally became the law. And was the word made
manifest right like you said, a portal a vessel, so

(27:42):
and then that he That's when I was having this
conversation with my daughter last weekend actually because we got
invited to a passover sat her and on the way
on the way down there, we were having some really
deep conversations, you know, and we got to talking about
how I guess, you know, I religious people whatever you
want call church people, they could be very judgmental and such,

(28:02):
like you know, one of those stones. Yeah, people in general,
but at the conversation. That's what kind of was geared to.
But I agree with you, it's not just religious people.
But but I said, you know, I said, and I
told her, I said, Oh, that is is ego, and
so that's all that is, you know, And a lot
of people they'll use religion as a cloak or whatever
or as a crutch to prop up their ego. And

(28:22):
the reason, you could tell is because they focus on controllables.
Oh you listen to that kind of music. Oh you
got tattoos, Oh you do this, you do that, And
they start thinking about the outward things that they could control,
and they start trying to you know, manipulate and control you, right,
versus trying to infect that on themselves and become humble. Right.
It was a Jewish stage. I can't remember which one

(28:43):
it was, but I shared this with her, you know,
and I really hang on to this. It says that
the old saying says that a religious man is concerned
about his own belly and another man's soul, and a
pious man is concerned about another men's belly and his
own soul. And it really that's really the dynamic, Like
you could tell when somebody's when the ego is out

(29:04):
of the picture, right, and spirituality is the source. Then everything,
like you said, it's turned inward. Right. And when you
read the scripture, you don't say, oh, those dumb I
don't know whatever writes you know, it don't matter, it
doesn't matter. It's I see myself. I'm them. I'm the
whatever mercy on me, right, I'm the feel of thine.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
I'm the I'm the man filled with unclean spirits.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
I'm you know, I'm We're all.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
I'm the disciple that that Jesus loved, like everything, one
of them.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
It's so weird, Like the more.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
We live life like like you have your people that
you identify with in the scripture, most scriptures, Christians want
to identify with Jesus, right, And because you or that's
what we're learning to only identify with the good guys.
That's the majority of Chritin Like, that's a hard one
to get over. And you identify with all goliaths.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
The ones you thought were good guys, seeing them in
another light, they were somebody's back guy.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Depending on who lives, who dies, or who tells the story,
is David the hero or is David the one who
committed genocide.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
David will shut up, don't put your mouth on the
man of God. Hey, hey, that's yeah. You look at David,
you know, King David, God after man's own heart, and
read about the guy. Yeah, he's after your heart too,
and your your throat, after your flesh, after your heart.

(30:29):
He wanted to kill you after all of this. If
your wife was better.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Than his, you was dead. That's most kings that came
after him anyway to this day today, the kings of
the earth today, like they tell you straight up that
that's what they're gonna do.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
Can't nobody stop them? You can't.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
So we digress. But it's to reevaluate, just to read
this stuff in a different light. Which has been super
healthy healthy Maybe for me it's been in entertaining. It's
been very scary. I wanna say healthy. It's not healthy.
It's healthy as just to do what they tell you
to do and just keep keep it moving. But you know,
I don't think that is I don't know if that's.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
No. You can lie to yourself longer, right, Ignorance is bliss.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
So we haven't even really introduced Reggie.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
We go back with Reggie. I want to say I'm
gonna throw it.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
I'm gonna throw a date out two thousand and eight,
two thousand and.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
Seven, Yeah, it was around that time we met.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Uh, probably my Space.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
So I'll give you. I'm gonna give a little plug.
He probably doesn't listen to your show, but I'm gonna
try to send if you posted no. Joshua Roberts, you
probably know him. Yeah, he knew you. He knew you
because he was at a band. Yeah, and you was performing.
I think you guys performed somewhere, maybe at the skating
rink or something. Yeah. And I remember I'd seen your

(31:55):
stuff floating around on MySpace and uh, and I saw
that John Gosh was in a band that I was
in at one point, Vertical Clearance. Yeah. I was listening
to a Vertical Horizon the other day and it made me. Yeah,
So they started that band, and then they asked me
to help them manage it. Then they asked me to
be the singer. And I was kind of like a
standing singer for a little bit. Yeah, and then you know,

(32:17):
wife got pregnant. I had to move on, but I
still watched them online, watch them over the next couple
of years, and I saw they did a concert with you,
and I'd already been kind of listening to your stuff
and checking it out. It said truth Seek, and I
was like, I recognized Truthseeker because of the hoodie that's
Sonny Sondoval Where and when that which is where you
got your name from? Right, So anybody listening and watch
it don't know that. There you go. But I have

(32:39):
that poster actually hanging in my room. I got the DVD. Yeah,
I still paying dues, that's right. But that was their
satellite tour poster back in two thousand and two thousand.
It's rad and so anyway, I saw your name. So
that's kind of what pulled me a little bit. I'm
sitting here like, all right, I recognized that it looks
like a that looks like a pod kind of thing.
And of course Lifetime now look at past my time.

(33:01):
You looked the part. Now I've got the sult no
but uh no. But so then I think I I
think I might have followed you or whatever connected with
you on my space. I was asking Josh what he
thought about you. I think at the time you were
really political. I think, yeah, everybody you had released the
follow Babet.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Then well, you had some songs from that.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
You had some songs from that was already out, that
was already out on your MySpace. Yeah, a lot of
your stuff was from fight music though, that was on
your my space. So that's how old, that's how far
back we're going. But you had yeah, yeah, yeah. And
I asked him. I was like, I was like, Josh,
what you think about this guy? You say? He said,
he's really political, but he he didn't disparage you at all.
But he was like, really political and that's just he said,

(33:46):
that's almost say And so Josh, he's good. He's a
good guy. He's a good guy. Yeah, he didn't disparage
you at all. He just was trying to be as
very bearingly honest as he could. And at the time
he wasn't. He was wasn't telling a lie. But then
I think seven was the inside job. Hey, there you go,
there you go.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Trump is Q and on Trump is has always been now.
But listen, was I not a forerunner? You were, dude,
were so everything that I believed. Is it now the
new normal?

Speaker 1 (34:12):
I mean, I remember that one time I texted you
on nine to eleven anniversary just saying nine eleve is
inside job, and you said, dude, that's so ten years ago.
I remember you telling me that. I was like, I
can't tell you nothing, bro, You're already ahead of the
curve on all of it. But yeah, man, but I
think you reached out to me at some time. Tell
me I was right, You was right, dude. That's hey.

(34:33):
It saved me from when the way ever knows. I
just feel right because she's like there, he's not right
most of the time.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Right, No, No, it's normal though. Everybody's everybody wants to
be right. Yeah, everybody. Yeah, and they're not going to
get And I told you so, don't look for that.
But like now, the conspiracy hit the church like crazy
with Trump and Q and on, you know, with CoV
I D like all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
That came out that.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
I'm glad I went through it when I did, because
it hit folks hard.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Supers. Yeah, it's been hard. They hit my fans hard.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
They got mad because I wouldn't drink that water anymore.
And they're like sending me documentary. I like, but I
don't want to watch none of that. I said, I'm
trying to fight my butt off to maintain my piece.
And I know what conspiracy theories do. I don't want
to watch any of those.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
You got to man, trust me, Man, this is the one.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
And they were doing what I had already, what i'd done.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
You're walking the path, so you already, you've already been there,
so you've got you've got grace toward them, you got
mercy toward them. You're not going to try to tell them.
They'll figure it out, and you can't tell because there's
only there's only one way, one way the path ends, right,
and I think we've all been there. Spiritual fixed yourself. Yeah,
that's the only way you're gonna because you end up,
you end up realizing, like dude, it doesn't matter how

(35:52):
much I know, you can't change any change. You can't
change them. The only person you can change yourself.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
And that change and that's where it leads.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
That's where it leads. But yeah, so that's how we met.
On my I think I was posting some stuff and
maybe you was posting some stuff. We might and then
finally I think you might have messaged me, but like, dude,
let's link up, and you sent me your number, yeah boom,
And you was doing some driving. I was doing some
driving for work. So we ended up talking on the phone,
a lot, meeting in person, all that this stuff and

(36:20):
just went from there. Lots of good memories. So that
was I want to say that was seven I think
seven o eight.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Yeah, long front conversations too.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
Yeah. Ended up finding out we had a lot in coming.
I remember that. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
So we people asked me, you know all the time,
how did the podcast get started?

Speaker 1 (36:44):
Like how did you saw a podcasting?

Speaker 2 (36:45):
Because I've been doing it a long time before the
podcast was the thing, we called them radio shows, and
I always say, like I was driving a truck and
I would do these you know, three way calls with people,
which would turning that eight way calls because everybody would
you would use that three way and we have eight
people on these calls that would last like eight nine hours.

(37:06):
Some people would stay on like my whole shift and
while I was driving, and it helped me get through
the day. And it was fun. And we're talking about
the Bible, doing Bible studies, we're praying for one another,
talking about conspiracies, just hanging out and we did this
every day until definitely me and you we'd have some
deep conversation like man, we should this should be recorded, man,

(37:28):
Like listening.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Other people need to hear this.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
And so from that moment, it was like, Okay, I'm
going to try when we get when I get off
of work, I'm going to do a radio show and
come back on I remember me and you. You were
like one of the first ones that I did it with,
and yeah log talk.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Radio we were talking about like demons and manifestations of
spirits and stuff. Yeah. I still got that on my
laptop somewhere.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Right, that's crazy. Yeah, that was a while back, but
that's how they got started. And that was in I
officially started. I wouldn't say like twenty eleven, but like
it was like around that time, maybe before that, we
even got started.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
It was no sense. The podcast wasn't even the thing.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
So did Truth Seeker invent the podcast?

Speaker 1 (38:09):
No, it was a radio show, but there was no radio.
I called it a.

Speaker 4 (38:13):
Radio show talk Shoe TalkShoe dot com yeah, all the
free the freedom yeah, and then the other ones people
could call in those are dope, like and I started
like early and quality was so bad, but got a
lot of.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Views on it and stuff.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
It was it was fun, but that's how it got
started from that. So Aaron may have some some questions.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
Yeah. So, speaking of conspiracies and debates in the Christian community,
there's this debate about the Holy Bible of what color
should originally be. I'm sorry what color? What color were
the first Holy Bibles?

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Oh? They were green? I thought you was serious for seconds.
New Testament, Psalms and Proverbs too, those were the books.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
Yeah, so we got so talk a little bit about
the green Bibles because you two, we hear a lot
about the green.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Because people like, we laughed. O. We just laughed our
butts off, and I felt good. But people listening, they're like,
what is what is this?

Speaker 1 (39:27):
Why were they green? What year were they? Got a
little men on the joke, dude.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
So I had brother Wayne voice, still have it voice?
And you you had a voice that would match it
in a character and stuff. And so let's just go
into character about the green Bibles. And I'll let you
set it up.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
How you're DoD? Brother? You heard? Well? You have you
read the Word of God lately? I had, come on, son,
I got you, hang on, let me put let me
put this up right here Here we go, here we go.
I he brother Wayne, are you dead? How you doing this?
Is Roscoe Rossmann how you doing, brother, praying for your family?

(40:08):
Praise God? Praise God. I was just calling you to
see if you had any of them green Bibles. I
passed the sarah Land Senior Citizens Center on the wave.
I was wanting to go drop off some green by Hell.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
I tell you one thing. If you get a box,
I know you need to bring down there. Just assemblie
because uh, sister sister Susanne Somers. Uh, you know the
one that used to do the.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
The bowflex.

Speaker 5 (40:34):
And yes, show family n step by step all out
of characters, you know.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
But I passed out some of them green Bibles the
other day, brother Wayne, And how did you get up?
How'd you pass them out? How'd you do it with
my hands? Son? The old school hen?

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Well, hell, they got your on camera. Throw them out
the wonder you threw them at them children? You like
you tossed them like CDs.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
I was doing some of that Young Bible. Yeah. But
those kids said that they had they were red Bibles.
And I said, no, I'm sure the Greens. They said,
r E A D Bible. That's the Mormons. That's the Mormons.
The Mormons are trying to slip slip one in you.
It's called the watch Tower. I think he's a watch
at them. Jehove's brother watch Tower. This is what my

(41:25):
friend Alonzo.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
I don't think you ever met Alonzo, but Alonzo would
call Watchman. Remember Watchman called watch called watchman watch tower.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
That's that guy, watched tower Man. How's watch tower doing?
You mean hot tower, Dante?

Speaker 2 (41:42):
Anyway, that's the Green Bible, that's the green and we
would just do that for a long time.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
Print call we would call. Yeah, and I remember the
print calls. Those are funny too. You kind of went
that way when you said I was throwing them out
the windows. Bible, I'll throw them by hid in the head.
This is a Roscoe ros I don't know. I got
your phone number from Derek ross Earth. I don't even
know what Derek Grosco or something like that. I'm like, uh, anyway,
fun time. That was fun.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Yeah, Gideon's Green Bible, which are in all of the
hotel rooms.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
They got like a deal. Yeah, you know, put the
little bought those things in bulk, got them container. Yeah,
them off a train. Yeah, man, you got anything else?

Speaker 3 (42:23):
Uh? So I heard that you've met the last Apostle
to America.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
Oh dude, Yeah, that's right. The only apostle there is,
that's right. Was that guy's name was his Wade Demmers.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Was this bro?

Speaker 1 (42:36):
Yeah, saloman Ya Shua, Yeah, bro, remember that guy. I
remember that guy. So that was interesting. Yeah, that was crazy.
That was yeah, definitely crazy for sure.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
So who was he? Give us some context?

Speaker 1 (42:49):
So I'll tell you. The first time I saw him
was that I didn't get I never seen him. I
saw him, didn't know it. Well. I found out later
that it was him. So I went to a books
a million Joe Mugg's cafe, you know, in Meridian, Mississippi,
and that's where he was living, and and I had

(43:10):
seen there was this group of people there that he
had like this long beard in the corduroy jacket, and
he was talking to a lady who had like a
covering on her head and everything and a skirt. So
she looked very like she looked the part, you know
what I'm saying. So, and I'm sitting here I was
at that time. I was like kind of going through
my Jewish roots, messianic, really hardcore. So when I saw them,

(43:31):
I was kind of looking on him, and by the way,
he looked right over at me and made like this
really intense eye contact with me, like like he he
knew I don't know, or I knew or whatever.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
He could smell you he's a predator and you were.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
That's right, that's right. So I didn't think nothing of it, right,
I just kind of was like I kind of overheard
him talking. I don't know what they were talking about
with something spiritual. Then a friend of mine, I won't
name him, but he he was living down in like
fair Hope, and this guy shows up at the church
and you give me a.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
First name or something because I'm trying to put together
how we.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
Yeah, so there was a guy named Josh that called me. Right,
I don't think you've met him, but he calls me.
I'm living in Mississippi. But I had warning you of
the guy too. Write well. He called me and asked
my advice because the guy because Wade showed up. He
would because we told him where we lived. And he
was like, I'm coming to you. I will see yeah,

(44:26):
because I told him about the Well. No, I'm sorry.
So my friend, my friend Josh calls me because he
showed up at the church that I used to go
to when I live.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
He told the guy where he used to go to church.
So he went from Meridian.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
I think he showed up down there. I don't know,
maybe he did, and it was like almost three hours away,
and he took his group and went down there and
showed up at the church and was trying to get
my and he was like talking to my buddy Josh me.
He's like, he's like, dude, He's like he seems kind
of real, like, but he was like a young believer,
like really believer, right if we're looking for the real deal,

(45:02):
and he's saying, dude, he's like. He told me I
need to go sell all I have and give my
money to the poor to come follow him.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
And he was he was the poor that needed the money.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
And so I kind of got pulled into that because
I was asked for advice and then I started talking away.
I said, well, give me his number, I'll call him.
And then that's when he started telling me, you know,
I've read the Bible one hundred and eighteen times. All
the shepherds have gone astray. I'm the last apossible, the
only one to America one.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
And he would say was that conviction and tears.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
He believed it the last one to America, yes, and
he would. That was pretty trippy. So then I started
talking to you about it, and you was like, give
me his number, and you guys say, so you introduced
him to me. I think I gave you his number
and you called him or something.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Because you know, white Mike lived in Meridian too, so
I didn't know how you.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
Know, Yeah, no, it wasn't Mike. It was a guy
named Josh. But but yeah, there was some crazy stuff
that went down, like at that church, and they ended
up kind of like they let him stay there for
a night, but then they asked him to leave the
next day.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
They wouldn't and he probably knew the laws of like evictiontion, like.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Oh, you can't kick me out. But that dude was
super crazy.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
But at the time, like we just invited him into
our phone calls, like our long Bible studies, and he
had some Bible knowledge and stuff. But he was super militant.
He was super militant and we were militant too, just
just young.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Like he was literally when you say he was a
predator to look for prayer, he literally was. He was
like and I'll give you an example because when he
came back to Mississippi, I was going to a church there,
and and I remember him saying, well, we're meeting over
here at this building. You should come, because we were
having conversations and he was trying to convince me that
I needed to come, you know, study you know, under him,

(46:46):
under him and stuff. And I'm sitting here, like, you know,
I just was getting some checks about it, you know,
but I was getting something out of the conversations. But
it was more or less like it seemed like somebody
who really did feel that spiritual isolation, like the rest
of the world is kind of a little off, you know,
so somebody and so there is a there is a

(47:08):
bit of that kind of like gives you like this
swass attraction, like you feel like it is this guy whatever.
And then I remember he called me or texted me
and said that he wanted me to come or and
I said, I'm actually going to my church. So then
he's texted me and he said, I'm like, I'm at
my church with my family this Sunday. And he texted

(47:29):
me and he said, oh, so you found a church
that teaches the Word of God. And he wanted to
know and he's like, so maybe we should come there.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Yeah, so he was like going around to all these
churches trying to find I were talking about.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
He wanted to show up and confront the pastors, is
what he wanted. And he what he would do is
he'd show up.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
He had a voice too, He had a freaking weird
that's how he would a brother.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
Yeah, and he would he wanted. And I talked to
my pastors about it. They had had a running with
him twenty years prior. He said he came in here
and he said that he wanted to sit down and
talk and rebuke them. He said that he wanted to
counsel us, and they weren't having it. He had to
stand off with the police. Yeah. Yeah, there was a
lot of and I don't know if it was.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
To shoot up, but a standoff where he had a
sick child that they were.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
Like, he was refusing to give up.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
Definitely ill or whatever, and they wouldn't. They were just
fastening and praying and wouldn't bring them, bring them to
the siky. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
And so whenever I told that's what that incident where
he was trying to come to my church, I was like, no,
I'm not telling you where I'm going to church. Yeah,
And and then I think that he had his assistant,
his executive assistant wife. Yeah, she's a friend. Yeah, probably
concubine or something. Was telling me that basically, like you know,

(48:49):
you should come up, come here, or tell us where
you're at, we'll come there. And I was like, well,
I'm just testing some things. And when I said that, bro,
I might as well just spit in their face, because
she called and left me voice messages. You think you
are coming against the prophet questioning the amount? Yeah, and
then he called me and left me like twenty voice man.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
And it was always brother wretch because for me, thank
you're the apostle.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
He's like, you think you're for here, And he told
me straight straight up, like you think you're hearing from God,
but you're not. It's demons. Was like, so I told him,
I said, so, brother, wait, if I'm not hearing from God,
then how do I know he's leading me to you,
because he's telling me He would tell me God's led
you to me, but then tell me that I wasn't
hearing God. So I'm like, dude, so you got to
pick one. Man. I'm either hearing God and he led
me to you. I'm not hearing God.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
So it is so crazy how that dude didn't kill us.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
You know, thank thank you bank account. Thankful. Yeah. You
and I had a lot to talk about for a
long time after that too, because you would call me
up on the phone and be like, brother, wretch, are
you calling my wife a witch?

Speaker 2 (49:57):
He like, I remember one time because we're talking, you know,
he was like, Okay, if you're in a five four ministry,
you know, what do you identify with?

Speaker 1 (50:07):
What do you think you are?

Speaker 2 (50:08):
You know, we'd answer like, and there's a lot of
Christians talk about that. We'd like, well, I'm in five
for I feel more like I'm an evangelist. My calling
is to go out and reach the lost and go
in the neighborhoods or you know, I feel called to
to to be a pastor and shepherd. And I'm more
of a prophet. I'm more of a you know, I'm
into the prophetic. I want to declare the oracles of

(50:28):
God and restore the foundations, and and and when we
would talking about that with him and you on the phone,
and you said, I feel like I'm more of an apostle,
more of an overseer, one who plants churches.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
And that kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
I feel like, if I had to pick one, that's
that's what I would be. And then he were like, Okay,
that's good, Reds.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
But then eventually he was like Reds, there's only one.
You're apostle Reds. It was almost like the Trump kind
of things. He was a spiritual narcissist.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
Dude.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
That guy was all about his ego. Dude, the greatest apostle. Yes,
it's never been another. I got of like, Daniel, make
apostles great again? You know these are like we had
you know what?

Speaker 2 (51:13):
And I tried to I tried to call table while
I was just gonna just jump, just throw Tave on
the phone and just ran man. But because Tave was
always asking me like, eventually Tave was like, truth, where
you meeting all these people at?

Speaker 1 (51:26):
Man? He said, you meet all these people on the internet.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Bro. You met Reggie, you met Wade Demmer, and we
just go down the list of all the record the
Israelite leaders and I'll need friends and get them all
on the phone. Ta was like, Man, where are you
meeting all these people on the internet?

Speaker 1 (51:41):
Bro? You got to quit meeting people on the internet.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
I said, why is little tap I met you on the.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Internet, man, like we're talking about. But yeah, that was
one of the one of the quotes that I always
think about when I think of Tave is when you said,
it ain't nothing wrong. Get crunked for the Lord.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
He said, so, he said, anut were debate over.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
The Yeah, we were done. We were debating music, and
he said, we're getting crunkd for the Lord.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Brother, brother crunk means crazy. Reggie Resue would come at you, though,
Reggie said, brother krunk means crazy drunk. You are crazy drunk.
We say for the Lord, though, Brother, for the Lord.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
We drunk got to do for the Lord on it.
It's good. We redeemed it. We redeemed it for the Lord.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
Got funny fun times, yeah, man, I mean yeah, we
learned a lot in hindsight to not meet people on
the internet.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
But I'm a DJ now, I don't mind getting crunk,
so I don't care crazy. But that means yeah, crazy
the Lord for the Lord. Yeah, I know there's another
one on there.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
Oh yeah, so there was one more. It was just
a name drop. And I know this person, but probably
not as well as both of you do, but I
do know them. Jeane Duffy. What does that name mean
to you?

Speaker 1 (52:55):
This is that the guy the guy who wrote the
songs and was like, is that the guy that one?
Was like ha ha that one? Yeah, yeah, yeah, he
was the one that was the King James only guy.
Yeah yeah, And you said every time. And I remember
this because every time he'd call him, he danced the
phone like he just woke up from a nap.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
He was like, hello, yeah, yeah, you came to the
Bible study that that's right. We had a little building
that somebody let us use that we kind of it
was like.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
A dance hall. Called it a church.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Yeah, it was like a recital like place, and we
called it a church. But we just had Bible studies
and concerts there.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
And I remember used to want a lot of concerts
there for hot minute, for sure. Yeah it was. It
was wild.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
But he we brought him there to do a Bible
study and I think you came right. Do you remember
her being there?

Speaker 1 (53:43):
Because she doesn't remember it. I thought she was.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
I don't remember a lot of stuff though.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Well, there was one that we went to and it
might have been the way the one that Jean was there.
And I remember there was one that I brought my
ex wife and a friend to and my kids, and
so I want to say that you were there.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
I remember meeting them.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
Was there and they were all playing one at the house.
They were sitting down chopping it up. But I don't
remember who was Who was your other friend you brought cam.
There was one other dude, Jarvis what was his name?
Man had He was carrying around a Jewish Bible and
he was talking about like because he was Joe. Is
that who it was? It's been such a long time ago.

(54:24):
Came in in with a beer and keep it on. Yeah, yeah,
I don't remember if it was that time or if
it was too sad. It never ended well. Bible studies
with Joe never ended well, yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Just so argumentative, which I know. You know I became argumentative,
and Bible studies but me never ended well either, you
know what I'm saying. But Gene Duffy Man, that dude, uh,
he was a street preacher, that's a street performer. He
would just get up like weird songs. And one of
them was hot High that he recorded.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
He recorded CDs and handled them out and you gave
me a copy of it, I believe, or maybe it
no he gave it to me because he brought it
to that Bible study, and I'll listen to it and
I'm like, man, this is kind of weird, but it's like, yeah,
it's like really true. They think, they think think, they think. Yeah, yeah,
they sound like something here, like some drunk clown or something,
you know, right right, it's like a whole But he's

(55:16):
singing about the Lord, you know. And he's like talking
about how the King James Bible was the purified version
of the word the fourth uh three times sixteen eleven. Yeah,
like three times purified or something like that. I can't remember.
He was saying some scripture.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
Yeah, he had some wild stuff, as we all do,
but he had some good stuff too, Like, uh, I
learned a couple of things I learned from him, like
especially about their KJV but their KJV only, and I
think I turned into that for a little while.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
I still read the KJV, but I'm not KJV only.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
But he just just the idea of the the thy
thou and thine to our Western mindset, like those are
all the same things, Thou art thye brothers, like they
all meant something different. Whether there was a singular, plural possessive,
like he knew all that. And when he would read

(56:07):
a scripture and then give it more context with the
ddi thou and dines in there, I was like, wow,
that makes a lot of sense than these other versions.
We were like, yeah, the new King James just takes
the d die thou and dying out and it's like
but it changes like this context that obviously he saw,
you know, precious or whatever he saw that. You know,
they were in there for a reason in the KJV,

(56:29):
so I remember he shared that. Another thing he shared
at that Bible study, which is kind of shocking and
it stuck with me, was he talked about Caesar, and
he talked about this decree that Caesar did that first
of all, wanted to sleep with everybody's wife. But he
also said that Caesar like when they demanded to have
the first born and have the children killed, that they

(56:52):
went and cut the woman's belly down the center and
took the babies out of the mother's wounds to kill them.
And that's where the term sea section comes from that
we have in the medical industry. Section came from Caesar
that he would cut the women's stomach open and take

(57:12):
their babies and kill them, and we still use the
term I'm.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
Gonna have a sea section.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
It's like he shared the Bible study and I was like,
that's pretty wild, that's pretty deep.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
I mean, I don't know. I don't remember that, but
that's cool. You don't remember that. I mean, you forget, dude,
I don't. Like there's a lot of things. Yeah, there's
a lot of things I remember, but I don't remember you.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
Know that.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
I guy like a crazy I remember. I remember a
lot of things, but there's certain things I guess that
just didn't like anchor down, you know what I mean.
But I have more of a lot of times my
memory is more kind of photographic, Like I could tell
you what you were wearing, what kind of piercings you had,
how your hair was cut, you know all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
That's me Like it's funny because like you know, the
number pad, were the three digits at the top, like seven, eight, nine,
four or five?

Speaker 1 (58:00):
The pattern?

Speaker 3 (58:01):
Yeah, the pattern? Like I can remember numbers because I
can remember the pattern, Like looking at that number pad.
It's so weird, but the visual helps me remember.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
It could be something about that trauma response too, though,
because me I know at the time, I was like, what, Yeah,
it did what It cut women open?

Speaker 1 (58:18):
And we still use that termin Oh God, I said,
that was like like a part of me one of
says that I remember hearing that, but like I don't
distinctly remember hearing it from that.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
But yeah, because I don't think we had him at
too many Bible studies, is what I'm saying. So I
was like, well, maybe those are a different one. I
was like, I don't think there was a second. Yeah,
but he had so sixteen hundred, so the year two
thousand would have been four hundred years right of the KJV.
He rode around in a van that's and it said

(58:47):
happy birthday to the KJV four hundred years old KJV
sixteen eleven, four hundred years old.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
That that was his thing.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
He would go up to the people, he would street
preach to people, not about salvation, but about the Bible. Hey,
which Bible do you own? It? Like he would literally
that was his lead and say, oh, I think we
got an n I V family. N I V get
it out of your house now? Is not inspired version?

Speaker 1 (59:14):
That's right, or the nearly inspired version is some pastors
to call it. Our message was it wasn't long. It
was probably around the same type period, if not a
little bit after it that. I read a book by
Gil Ripplinger called New Age Bible Versions where she gets
into that probably every version except the KJV.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
Yeah, yeah, which is bizarre because it's not the original language,
and the original language is so different from even the KJV.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
That's it's vastly different. You start doing word studies in
the KJV, and yeah, it was translated to represent the
theology of the king, not necessarily the truth of the
actual original script.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
What I would say, I'll go on record saying this,
like to get in like an original KJV New Testament,
for sure, is just to go read the the the
Greek theology or Greek mythology if you wanted like a better,
like a more accurate translation. It's literally go read has

(01:00:13):
the Odd, Go read Homer, go read Plato. Like there
is some of it's like word for words stuff that
predates the Bibles.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
Right, I was like, one thing that really blows my
mind too?

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Is that beautiful though? Oh yeah, absolutely, because it's all
in there.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
The English words in the KJV had different meanings when
they were first put in the KJV, versus what they
mean today. The dictionary definition changes over time, absolutely, and
then you.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
Get into I always use the example, especially whenever I'm
like talking to my kids and things about understanding the Bible, right,
because there's a lot of you know, a lot of
people would just say, oh, it's full of holes, it's
got a lot of issues. You know, people interpret it
their own way. I said, of course, you know, so
like for example, if I told if I said, Derek

(01:01:03):
hit the road, jack, you know exactly what that means. No,
I finished the song. Listen as you come back, right,
you know exactly I'm telling you to get out of here, right,
scram Let's go two thousand years in the future, four
thousand years, six thousand years from now. The English language
is dead and gone. If it is around, it's something
completely different. Yeah, And the American culture is dead and gone,

(01:01:26):
and people are reading it literally literally and saying, why
would Reggie tell a man named Derek to go strike
the pavement?

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
And then in pastors all around the world will make
up a reason. Yeah, Well, that's because hitting the road,
that's how they got their anger and frustration. Now is
a great way to do that so that nobody gets hurt.
But you, right, and then you probably get a whole
sermon on it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
Yeah, and you should. We should get Ai to create
a prober and ask yeah, hitting the road like yeah,
you could be like yo, what's the exactly and you could, dude,
you could And that's that's kind of like the some
of the modernism I use. But if you go into idioms, yeah,
if you go into Hebrew idioms and things like that,
and I'll call him here saying yeah, Jesus, well, like

(01:02:10):
you know, talking about I finine b single and it
was talking about being a generous giver and things. Well
there's people who say that too, but I'm talking about
in the language of the day, right, ask that you
are sage. They'll say, well, that meant you are a
generous giver, right, And but nowadays we're sitting here saying, well,
talking about your pioneal Glen and whatnot.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Which I don't think it. I mean, I would want
it to mean.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
And if it means that, that's cool, you know, But
I mean, because it could link that way to a degree,
there's a lot of script that what it was a Yeah,
that being said, there's a lot of things that can
be multiple layered in the scriptures. Not the beautiful thing
about it because you you get into you know, you
talk about somebody like Gene. Listening to him is pretty

(01:02:53):
cool because you learned things. Right, Is that going to
take me where? You know? Is that going to be
the end all, be all of my spiritual journey?

Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
Can I test all things and cling to that which
is good? Absolutely? And you could do that with all
these different teachers. There's different ones like Bill Donahue, he
does he does, he uses the zodiac in the scriptures,
and there's different things like that. Michael Cesarian was one
used to listen to back in the day. But you
really start looking at and then you go read the
scriptures again and you're like, wow, now I'm seeing something different.

(01:03:22):
You mentioned mythology. You go back and read it after
you've read mythology, and you're like, now I'm seeing things
differently the scriptures borrowing things. So one of the things
that I ran into first thing, I was reading a
book called the Sabbath. It was written by Abraham I
can't remember, no, it was I can't remember his last name,

(01:03:42):
but anyway, he was written by a Jewish guy. And
this a book called the Sabbath it's kind of like
a treatise, right, and he quotes he says, for man,
this guy who doesn't believe in Jesus does believe in issue.
He's not misaionic or anything. And he in the in
his book wrote, you know, sabbath man was not made
for the Sabbath. The Sabbath for man. And I'm like,
wait a minute, Jesus said that. Come to find out,

(01:04:06):
Jesus was repeating something that was taught that came around
a couple hundred years before him. See so and you
just read the Bible, you're reading the King James, and
you go into church. We thought those guys.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
We thought Jesus and Paul were original.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
Dude, you start and that was kind of the gateway
for me because I had heard, you know, Jesus and
Paul borrowed from Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
Of course they did, oh borrow from the Old Testament first, right,
And then he's like, oh, that one.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
But they taught they taught things that was being taught
in Greek culture and Hebrew culture. Yeah. And so when
you realize that, just like conversation we're having now, you
and I talking about pop culture, are talking about American
politics or anything like that, yes, right, there's all kinds
of things. We could say that it came from different sources,

(01:04:53):
and uh, and you know, just because it comes from
a different sources, that negated's truth absolutely, not on who
you asked.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
I mean that was that was when you know, I
guess when they're awakening it personal awakening started getting deeper
as we would say the same biblical truths but we
would quote them different or say Buddhist version or something
else that we found it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
It was the same truth.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
It was just worded differently from a different perspective, but
it was the same truth. But if it is demonic, yeah,
but it's as demon it's like, oh, that's what that's
what we're playing. We're playing factions here, y'all. Ain't after truth.
We're playing faction.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
It doesn't matter who says it, but the right person
has to say it. And it's like, if that's the case,
then you guys are hanging your hat on one person
or one set or whatever. I'm trying to find the.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
The actual him here, just fucking quoted quote it, right,
But it's it's in the Hymn of Zeus. It's what
it's from the where Paul says it's talking about God,
the creator is like in him we live and move
and in him we have our being. Yes, and they're like,
oh yeah, we can resonate with that. That's from the

(01:06:06):
him of Zeus. Like most Christians don't even know that,
not just that, but it's so much more like he's
using their language and things that they can understand their idioms, right, Like, Okay,
you guys know what Zeus is, right, almighty all powerful father.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
Okay, and he's the creator.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
Okay, what if there's one that you know that we're
all inside of, Like this is what we're talking about,
and he you know, so much of that was quoted
and I'm finding so much more that that you could
never find, Like you can never say aha, because it's
the greatest story ever told. It's it's I find it
so beautiful because it's it combines all stories together. So

(01:06:46):
it is Greek mythology. And it would be people like
like Bill Donahue or other people who would say the
Bible is purely Greek mythology, brother, or pure allegory, or.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
So it's pure allegory.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
It is, but it's not only exactly or or let's
say simply say simply it's simply astrology, because it's astrology,
and it's Suemerian mythology and Greek mythology and Egyptian magic
and Babylonia and everything. And that's what makes it so
amazing that there's something in it for everybody, depending on

(01:07:23):
what's in you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
That's why if you become the uh, the pagan police,
which we were, we were, and I know people still
who are that way, and it's like you want to
point everybody else to say it's all pagan. I was like, yeah,
you're right, Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
Hey tomorrow, Abraham, what's tomorrow?

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
Well, it depends on which side of the coin you're
standing on, but yeah, let's just go for Easter. Yeah, yeah,
I know, Passover, it's already happened. Well, Easter paysock, pay sock,
that's right. So like remember, you know I was that
and you probably were there too. I'm celebrating Ishtar. Yeah.
What does eggs have to do with Jesus? Fertility? Dude?

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
Yeah, And it's like fertility is demonic, is it? That's
how we're here, you know, Well that's what we we
said that you be fruitful and multiplying, replenished the earth, right,
we said it was behind it. Yeah, but I mean
it's it's like, yeah, it's really easy to just start
pointing the finger and cutting, splitting every hair. But then

(01:08:26):
you end up It's kind of like Aaron said earlier,
it's like, okay, well you're without sin, cast the first stone.
You end up if you follow that trail long enough,
you end up throwing stones at yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
Right. And there are people who are still out there,
you know, saying, oh, it's all pagan. I'm like, yeah,
you're right. You know what was Abraham when God met him? Right? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
Who was my thing was? It's always been this. This
is always my pursuit from the beginning, like which came first?
Like what what Christianity was first? Because I know the
Christianity we have now, And then I read the Bible
and I'm like, hmm, thos Christians and it's pursuit of
true Like I read about Jesus and what's going on
in this chair down the road.

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
Ain't got nothing to do with with him.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Yeah, Jesus loved everybody, y'all hate everybody, you know what
I'm saying, Like Jesus kept the sabbage y'all blasphemous that
like so we're just like seeking and trying to get
to the original or what looks more biblical.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
I mean that was.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
I mean that's a and that's where those people who
are calling thanks pagan, I mean they're probably somewhere along
that journey which we've all been on. And so you know,
it always keeps goes down, like which came first? And like, okay,
they didn't do Easter, they did Passover. Okay, they didn't
do Passover.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
It's like, but even then, Passover hasn't always been around exactly.
So it's like what was before Passover?

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
Well, it talks about in the scriptures they baked cakes
for the queen of Heaven.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
Yeah, and then they called it evil. Somebody called it evil.
It's like wonder But then you say, you're not supposed
to ask why why weeping for tamoos? Why was that evil?
Because like why because it's a different god. Because time
moves is hell. I didn't say that, Hey, we used

(01:10:09):
to we read books and we know all this stuff,
but now everything came full circle because it's like who
came first?

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
Time moves or Jesus right read his story. Yeah, I've
heard and I've heard pastors get up and say that,
you know, like, because you remember we used to have
the Christmas debate, which Christmas is? It is what it is, dude,
Like you know, Cyclopedia Britannica but lays it out pretty straight.
If you want a good source on Christmas and where
it came from, Yeah, definitely predates christ I remember trying

(01:10:37):
to research that was kind of the the pinnacle for me.
That's kind of what started off for me. Was because
I was on fire, you know, for God, for Christ,
you know, and and I'm like, you know, Christmas is
so mixed up, Sannah. They're always trying to say keep
Christ and Christmas. I said, I'm going to research it.
I'm going to celebrate it the right way. And then
the more I researched it, the more I realized, yo,

(01:10:58):
yeah that's pretty messed up. Had people challenge me like
Christian stole a pagan holiday. I'm like now, and then
I started researching. I'm like, okay, all right, yeah yeah
we did. You're right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
I always like fantasized because there was there was a
billboard and mobile that said keep Christ in Christmas. Yeah,
and while that time, I was like, we need a
billboard it says take christ out of Christmas because he
was never there to begin with, you know, kind of
thing like in this Christian understanding whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
But I mean, if Christmas is this thing for what
it is, it was the christ Mass that it started by. Yeah,
the christ Mask that was started by you know, the
Roman Catholic Church. So I mean, sure, okay, you want
to say the sun dies, that's right, And if you
follow it back far enough, it's really it's e'stra theology.
And like I said, it's like when you really start
thinking about it, is is what it's about? Is it

(01:11:45):
actually evil or is it good? You know? And I
mean you're not as long as you're worshiping the Creator.
I mean that's what it gets back to the heart
of and and that's where it came to for me,
Like instead of being being militant against Christmas, I'm thankful
for the opportunit unity of peace and good will toward
my fellow men, you know, And that's that's where that
comes full you know, we talk about full circle and

(01:12:08):
not you know, take an ego out of the picture
and just saying what can I change?

Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
I could chance be rice is there because you can
even see it in people who aren't believers at Christmas time,
like that joy and that generous spirit, and you know,
the giving and the charity and Christ the Child, like
all in wonder, like all of that is there for
people who even don't believe. So he's there now, Like

(01:12:33):
that's what brought.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
Me back to it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
Yeah, because I remember I was so militant. I would
get angry around.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
Christo used to hand out pamphlets and stuff. I remember
you telling me that. Yeah, I'm kind of a shame
that that stuff, you know. I mean there's a time
in the season though. It's kind of like I thought
I was doing the right thing, you know, and I
was an asshole.

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
Was just like Jean Duffy. He thought he was doing
the right thing, and he showed up at Walmart every
weekend preaching out on the loud speaker, to the point
where he literally got stabbed for it. But he showed
up faithfully because he really thought he was doing the
right thing and helping people had to.

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
You couldn't tell him anything different, Just like, there's nothing
you could have told me then that truth, You're going
about this the right way.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
I could quote a scripture.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
And he who wins souls as wise and be wise
as serpents but harmless as doves, and I would give them.
They'd invite me to the church to perform and do
my music. And I had these pamphlets I created with
you know, anti Christmas and Christmas trees and saying it
was pagan and all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
And then I would like, hey, can we get your autographic?

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
Sure, And I give the pamphlet and I'd signed the
pamphlet and they would say the Awakening Church on it
on the front. But then when they flipped it and
the church had a Christmas tree in it, that even
like invited me, and I just felt so bad and
like after the fact, like during I thought I was
like this militant, you know, warrior for Christ. And it's like, no,
you're a douchebag, right, you know, And that those people

(01:14:00):
betrayed their trust, you know what I'm saying. And people
trusted you to, you know, to to speak to you know,
these young people, right, But you live and you learn,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
Yeah, And I mean you and I we used to
butt heads.

Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
We were both very pro used. You're fun like that dude,
a man ah man man ah man. Yeah, we both
we both had a lot, a lot to learn, you know,
and and grow through. You know, we were young, we
were young men. You know, we thought we knew a

(01:14:32):
thing or two. All we knew was that there was
a lot we didn't know a lot that our souls
had to a lot of wisdom. Our souls had a game.
And then and you know, we're still learning, we're still growing.
You know, here we are in our forties, and it's like,
what do we know? How old are you? Forty one? Yeah?
You was that much older than me. How old do
you do? Twenty six?

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
That's right, that's right, perpetually?

Speaker 1 (01:14:56):
Well, I guess I was talking about me myself and
I I talk about my helf of plurality all the time. Bro,
it's all good.

Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
But twenty six, oh my god, we got a Ronnie
the Gray's coming out there?

Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
You go, you got more great than I do?

Speaker 3 (01:15:11):
I think, Slash he's not okay, not what twenty six? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
In the Lord, in the Lord, serving the Lord there, if.

Speaker 3 (01:15:21):
You can get crunking the Lord, you could be twenty
six six.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
That's right, that's probably old. I'm twenty six in the Lord.
Yeah that's right. Yeah, there you go. So, yeah, we
talked about a lot, so I I don't know how
long we've been going.

Speaker 3 (01:15:34):
We don't have a little over an hour.

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
Cut off time.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
But one thing we were talking about when we were together,
because we got to see the Deftones together.

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
Yeah, freaking freaking first time for you. Yeah, it was
the first time for me. I've been I've been into
him for about twenty years. What a show. That was
a good show we got.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
We got to see a healthy, skinny Chino throwing down.

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
Looking good. Up.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
There been off of speakers at you know, he's fifty
at least I think fifty one or something.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
See the reason I like deathtnes is because deafthtnes is Pod.
They got those guys, that's their favorite band. Yeah they
still to stay. They'll be like, dude, like Deathtones are
our favorite band.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
You can definitely tell the influences there.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
And I think I think when they got when when
Pod started getting big and they signed with Atlantic and stuff,
and they go on they went on MTV and they
were like, guys, you need They didn't even they said,
we didn't know how it worked. They're just like, hey,
you got to check out our boys. Deathtones man got
checked and now look at Deathtones. Bro like they're they're big.
They're big. It just turned you know, they didn't even

(01:16:34):
know Lincoln Park was another one. Check out our homies
in Lincoln Park, bro. So it's pretty cool watching that dude.
So that's kind of what got me into him. Man,
to be honest with you, that was a fun show.
It was Deaf Tones, so we got to hang out there.
But we were talking about some deep stuff there too.
When we got the top. Was talking about vibration and

(01:16:56):
power of thought and belief attraction.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
Yeah, so I was listening to Timaeus, which is a
book by Plato. You know, you had these characters that
it was about the creation of the world and some
awesome stuff that they borrowed from the scriptures, like the
Scriptures borrowed from some of the stuff, but it's about
the creation of the world. And they used they use

(01:17:21):
the term the law of attraction. So like in our minds,
like the law of attraction came out with the secret
like like you you know, it's like this new it's
new age, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
All news, like it was the pop culture ticket.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
This is something like just as old as the scriptures
where they talked about the law of attraction and men
willing things to themselves because of you know, their genetic makeup,
like with their chemistry and their body, the quality of
their thoughts and all of these kind of things. And
which was something that we were talking about, you know,
just a couple of weeks ago. Your vibe attracting things

(01:17:57):
to you and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
That's why I said, like, I'm so passionate about the
human body and the way it stores trauma because a
lot of people store trauma in their bodies and they
don't even realize it. So then they attract more trauma
and it's just like a cycle. Until you can clear
it out, you're gonna keep attracting the same stagnant stuff
that you don't want. But I found that out myself

(01:18:19):
personally when I got healed of a bunch of trauma
that I thought I was over, and thankfully Jesus came
in and said, no, you need a little bit of surgery.
We got to remove some of that stuff. But then,
like he showed me almost like an X ray of
the body and how your body stores it in these
different energy points. And yeah, that's wild, But you do

(01:18:42):
you attract what's whatever vibe you put out intentionally or unintentionally,
You attract it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
I mean, just as very simple and go back, and
I don't want to I'm gonna use this example. But
you know Wade Demmers mentioning a predator can smell a
prey from a mile away, like he can look at
So you attracted him. He could smell you.

Speaker 1 (01:19:07):
Oh this is UH.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
I was looking for something, a young truth seeker who
is UH, who will believe anything.

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
Let me tell him. I read the Bible eighteenth time,
mean get out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
Yeah, I read the Bible like people like predators can
look at people and smell and see like.

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
So in a sense, you attracted. We attracted that dude
into our lives.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
We were like ecstatic that we met this guy who
knows the Bible better than anybody, and he's willing to
talk to us for hours. And then now he's trying to,
you know, take all our money and have us come
live in the woods with him and stuff. You know,
it's like we attracted that in our lives.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
We needed that. On some vibrational frequency, we attracted that. Yeah,
he didn't like trick. He didn't trick us. We were
looking for him. So that's like we're saying that I
was listening to somebody the other day and he said,
and he went on that he made a whole podcast
episode talking about everything that happens to you and your
life is your fault. And he was talking about that.

(01:20:07):
He was talking about how and you know, and somebody say, oh, yeah, well,
what if you're walking down the street a meteorite falls
and hits you in the head. And he was like, look, dude,
the less than one percent rare exception to the rule
is not an argument against the rule. So the rule
still exists. Most of the things happen in your life
because you're attracting it, or a decision that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
You've made, you know, or a belief that you have
and you're just unaware of it at the times.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
Decisions other people make, but you're just close to them,
so it affects you too percent.

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
So the fact that you're in their proximity is a
decision you made and you didn't even know.

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
But it's I didn't notice, dude was going to rob
the store.

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
I was just driving. How do you know? You know
what I'm saying, How do you know you're not going
to be perfect? You don't make every like He used
the argument about like when you're in a car accident.
How insurance companies weigh the percentage of fault. Right, So
let's say I run into you in a car accident
and they'll say Reggie's one hundred percent at fault. That
doesn't mean that Derek's zero percent at fault, because there's

(01:21:06):
going to be two insurance companies and they're gonna look
at you and they're gonna say, what could Derek have
done different? You know, how could he be able? Okay,
so Derek's forty percent at fault, Reggie's ninety percent. Well,
that doesn't mathematically add up. That's right, because it's on
an individual basis, and that's how fault works in life.
And then another thing of h and we go back
to that time period while I was talking to you

(01:21:27):
about on the time that I felt that that piece
and everything I had. Somebody recommend a book. It's called
The Power of Your Subconscious Mind by Joseph Murphy. That's
a really good book. It's a life changing book. So
your listeners a reader, I would highly, highly highly recommend it.
But it gets into talking about the power of your
subconscious mind, how your subconscious mind makes up the largest

(01:21:50):
majority or the percentage of your mind, and it's the
part that basically runs on autopilot. It's like the computer
running in the background. It's what keeps your heart beating,
your blood flowing. You go yes. And it's also so
like when you're driving, you ever driven somewhere and not
even you don't even remember how you got there. You're subconscious,
your subconscious minded that right. So you you you tell
your subconscious mind what to believe, You program it, right,

(01:22:12):
And that gets into scientific prayer. You and I were
talking about that and the way that you pray, praying
and with a grateful heart and as if it already exists.
Whatever it is you seek, not help me or help
this person, but thank you for the healing, thank you
for whatever it is you seek. And and it really

(01:22:32):
gets into how we program our thoughts, which like that's
kind of how I explain, like you know, all right,
he puts me in a position where I can I
can take more responsibility, and it gives you more freedom,
right because you're not this a victim just floating through
the cosmos and things are happening to you.

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
Yeah, we say life isn't happening to you. Life is
happening through you. That's right, you become a conduit.

Speaker 1 (01:22:59):
It's what we call it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
Just turn an autopilot off, because we go through life
as an autopilot and uh, you know, just become a
victim of circumstances versus like, hey.

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
Can I change? Can I?

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
Like we're playing a game, a game called life. We
haven't read the rules.

Speaker 1 (01:23:16):
We didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
Oh, like all of these situations like you know, you're
just you know, guilty by association of some of these things.

Speaker 1 (01:23:23):
Like I didn't know that was the thing. I didn't
know that. If this guy gets out and robs the store,
I didn't do anything.

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
I had no idea. Guilty by association. You drove the
getaway car, but I didn't know. Don't matter, Like if
you know that, lock the door and take off and
leave when you see him pull the gun out of
in the in the in the gas station, lock the
door and leave, I ain't.

Speaker 1 (01:23:45):
You're not getting back in my car. I didn't know
the rules.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
Right, So once we were learning as we go. There
are cultures and our people, the powers that be that
know the rules, and they use our ignorance against us.

Speaker 1 (01:23:59):
And so we're we're.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
Learning in real time going through this or or we
have the ability to learn and to take these tests
or whatever that some are harder than others.

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
And and and we learned.

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
We learned compassion, We learned to love, We learned to forgive,
We learned hard lessons, you know, not all that sometimes
we had to take, you know, pop quizzes and comes
up multiple times. We learned to trust, We learned faith.
But there's people who are raised in that and they
teach their they teach, they raise up child in the

(01:24:31):
way that they should go when when they're older they
don't depart. That wasn't just going to church. That was
how to play the game. That was how to play monopoly.
That was that was how to play real estate. That
was how to invest. That was how to change the tire.
Not everybody. We're not all built the same, you know.
And when most of us are going through this experiment

(01:24:51):
called America, figuring it out as we go. Yep, and
you're doing a good job. Give yourself a pat on
the back. You're still here. You still got your sanity,
what's left of it? Man hold on to it. Telling
me is awesome because he got you. Man, God brought
to you this far and not to let you go
for just right.

Speaker 1 (01:25:10):
Yeah, the lessons will keep repeating themselves until you learn
the lesson that was meant. And a lot of times
that's just you changing your mind. M h change how
you respond. That's right, changing your mind. It starts there. Yeah,
I was like I knew that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
The thing early on for me was like, don't freak out.
My test is you're gonna have these bad financial situations happen.
They're gonna keep happening.

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
Don't freak out because.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
Every time they would happen to unexpected build I don't
have the money for that. Don't freak out. We got
bills right now, we don't have the money to But
it's like I know it now. It took me, you know,
years of going through and really panicking it because it
didn't change anything. Only thing it is like the cortisol
that you're releasing your body and stress is going and
now you're panicking. You're pushing that into the world. You're
trying to borrow money from people. You're scaring I'm scaring errants,

(01:25:58):
you're scaring me, We're scaring child, shaking her.

Speaker 1 (01:26:02):
You're gonna live in a van on the river. She
would love that, by the way, she actually owns the van.
Like you know, nobody told.

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
Us, but we learn don't freak out, don't panic, and
we have all this stuff happening. Is the hey, I
came into this world with nothing. I don't get to
bring anything with me when I leave.

Speaker 1 (01:26:21):
It's not about what you take with you, It's about
what you leave behind. And try not to leave dead,
is what I'm trying to do. Well. I mean, you know,
you think that was something that I thought the other
day because where did I hear it? You constantly hear that,
And you know, if you've been in church at all,
that's a that's a very you don't see you all

(01:26:41):
behind hers, right, And it makes out like life is
all about what you get, all about materialism, and like
that's the message of life. And I'm like, you know,
I look and it's just like something, especially recently, is
kind of really just switched. Because I remember I was
asked to eulogize my grandma's funeral back in January, and

(01:27:05):
one of the things I said, because there was a
lot of people, a lot of lives, did you did
you lead the whole procession or whatever? And just there
was a point where I spoke and I spoke, and
they asked me to sing a song. And whenever I
got up there and shared, and I looked around at
all the faces in those in that room that was
mourning her and that loved her dearly because she was,
you know, in her eighties and touched a lot of lives.

(01:27:25):
I said, she's still here with us in every life
that she's touched. And that's the thing. It's like, dude,
I'll look around. And so then it's like you think
about truth Seka, Aaron, Reggie and the lives that we
have the potential to be a part of, and that continues,

(01:27:47):
and long after our names are forgotten, what we leave
here continues, and that's a beautiful thing.

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:27:54):
It's like, it's not about what you take with you.
It never has been right, you're gonna leave that stuff here.

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
I think I think the Bible was talking about that
from Genesis, the revelation that it is an it's a
natural process that we over it's very spiritual, but but
we we put a sheet on it to personify it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:15):
The wind.

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
We give the wind a name because in the Jewish
mysticism and the Bible, the wind has a name Zephyr,
and which direction is coming from the type the heat
like so, but these are natural things that govern this
realm and and the Bible is it's a part of
the eternal, everlasting life. You're I just had a conversation

(01:28:39):
with dude last night who went to that fight.

Speaker 1 (01:28:42):
We talked about Chris Carter. He met this random dude.
He's like, hey, we have a mutual friend, like Chris Christopher.
Chris Carter's like Chris Carter. Christopher Carter's his mutual friend.

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
He's like gone to pass And I'm like, I was like,
I was on this that his memorial episode, telling people, well,
this dude, he's not dead, y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:29:03):
Chris Carter is not dead. Jesus. If you're a Christian,
Christ defeated death. Death is defeated. There is no more death.
You have to find. You have to dig and find
where he's at.

Speaker 2 (01:29:16):
It's the same way we interact with Christ It's the
same way we interact with anyone who ever came, not
just somebody you knew, had a phone conversation with this guy,
or you had a mentor in your life that's no
longer here, Like, it's everything that ever existed or ever
will exist. That's the beauty of that's God, that all

(01:29:39):
that's recorded, and it's here, and it's alive, and it's
the living word. It's living, there's no death. And I
don't know, maybe that's too mystical or too simple for
Christians to get.

Speaker 1 (01:29:53):
I can give you a very simplistic way of thinking
about the fact that you live on wat Way past
remembrance of your name and you kind of alluded to
it earlier with the Sincerean, the Sincerean section or the
Sea section. We use words and say phrases that people
long before us came up with and we don't even
know who said it, and we still use it because

(01:30:16):
it was passed on right, And I mean you think
of things like where did the when you call somebody
smart Alec, where did that come from? It was a
gangster up in the Northeast. His name was Alex and
they called him smart Alex because true you can look
at no yeah, off the cop. But I'm just giving
you an example. Did you did you make it up

(01:30:37):
for you? No? For real, I researched it right because
I was like, where did this come from? But it
was a smart if. They called him smarter lot because
he was always witty, and I always outwitted the cops,
And so when somebody would say something clever quick back,
you'd be like, oh, smarter, like a right, and see,
and that's a person. That's a person's name. Now of
course that's a you know, something as simple as him

(01:30:58):
being a witty gangster. We still use that today, right
Unknowingly we don't know who he is, and we actually
use his name. And there's other things that we do
and say that we don't know the name. We mentioned
some of the things that the Bible quotes that I
love it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:15):
How about a little bird told me?

Speaker 1 (01:31:18):
Oh, yeah, remind me where that one comes from.

Speaker 3 (01:31:20):
It's in the Bible. It comes from. Is it in Proverbs?

Speaker 1 (01:31:24):
No? Song of Song?

Speaker 3 (01:31:27):
I don't remember where it is. My memory is not
great with that. But it talks about if you say
something in secret, even in the privacy of your bedchamber,
that the birds will carry it. So don't don't talk
bad about the kings, because the birds can carry that
message even if you say it in the privacy of
your bed chamber where no one's around. Little bird told me, homie,

(01:31:47):
that's where that comes from.

Speaker 1 (01:31:48):
The bird, bird, bird.

Speaker 2 (01:31:50):
The bird is the word there you go. Once we
know that there's a little bit more, we're like, what
about the term I heard it through the grapevine? Like,
so we know the birds carry message. That's a very
deep spiritual concept for us.

Speaker 1 (01:32:05):
Do the vines?

Speaker 2 (01:32:06):
Do the plants have memory? If there's water in them,
we know they got memory? Yeah, absolutely, So are the
plants recording everything you say and echoing it back?

Speaker 1 (01:32:16):
Blood? Your blood records your history too. Everything everything is recorded.

Speaker 2 (01:32:21):
So it's like these phrases. Man, that was like, that's fun.
So now we have you know, we have Google, we
have chagbt or we have Oxford Dictionary, which is one
of the best places to go to to see what
it means. Now, what it meant and what it meant
early on, right, well, I'm i'ma throw this at you.
They used to do the word pharisee, the pharisees. They

(01:32:46):
used that word was interchangeable with fairies, the fairies and
the pharise I've read that in Oxford Dictionary.

Speaker 1 (01:32:55):
I blew my mind. I was like, what the heck?

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
And I started finding context in books from sixteen hundre
just what the that's They use the word pharisees as
the word phari This is insane, Like who would ever
think of that? Like today, I love words, you know
they get fired up?

Speaker 3 (01:33:13):
No, I love it too.

Speaker 2 (01:33:14):
I think I might have told you this. This is
when I tell everybody the word consider.

Speaker 1 (01:33:21):
To consider.

Speaker 2 (01:33:24):
Con is usually to think about or to come together,
to come together and consider. It would be like sidereal
side sidereal, or or stars according to the stars, but
it's to come together contemplate and to think about the
path or revolution of the stars. Consider is to think

(01:33:46):
about the orbit of the stars. Astrology.

Speaker 3 (01:33:49):
And you just said another one. That doesn't mean the
way we say it is contemplate contemplate, because contemplate would
mean to come together. And the word temple used to
be used as a place that was set aside a structure,
but with an open top, so that they could come
together and view auguries. And so they would come and

(01:34:10):
do the divination where they would watch the birds and
divine the messages and prophecies from the birds. And that's
the word temple. That's what used to be the word temple.
So contemplate what that means?

Speaker 1 (01:34:24):
Yeah with the words words are fun though, Yeah, this
is like a game of words.

Speaker 3 (01:34:29):
Yeah yeah, So.

Speaker 2 (01:34:31):
An English language where for some reason it doesn't default
to good, it defaults to negative, like for some reason, right,
we got this thing, we don't we try, We try
our best not to say good morning, because when you
was at the at the funeral, you found out that
there was to those people, there was no good morning.

Speaker 1 (01:34:52):
You say good rising, don't you? Grand rising? Grand rising? Yeah,
grand rising people, because I remember you used to instead
of saying understand, you'd say I don't understand, you understand.
Remember that overstanding you start becoming more intentional with your words.
And there's something that I keep going back to where
you know, Jesus mentioned that you'll give an account for

(01:35:13):
every careless word you speak, and it so he was
drawing attention to the power of words. I know you've
done in the study with the rice and different things
like that. Yeah, and there is that that lends a
lot of credence to what you say. And that's one
of the things like just because the thought pops in

(01:35:33):
your mind doesn't mean you should speak. It doesn't mean
because when you speak, you're the the numa of the
ruach in your lungs. The air creates vibrations through your
vocal chamber and you literally as a as a carbon
or I guess you could take such sort of a
copy of God the Creator putting vibrations out there creating things.

(01:35:58):
I like in it.

Speaker 2 (01:35:59):
So Romans ten nine or not, Yeah, ten nine where
it talks about unto salvation that if we confess with
our mouths and believe in our heart that unto salvation
that christis Lord, then we'll be saved. Just just that
that formula there to believe in your heart, to really
believe it, and then to couple it with saying it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:21):
It's one thing to believe something and never say it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:24):
Yeah, I believe my wife is beautiful. It's different when
you tell her and I mean it, you look at you.

Speaker 1 (01:36:34):
So beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:36:35):
So when you have the feeling that you strongly believe,
but then you won't say it, or you say something
and then you don't believe it. But when you have,
the tutor comes together.

Speaker 1 (01:36:44):
That's why we have this ability to create like a
chemical reaction, Lord Jesus, that's end the podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:36:53):
Yeah, so again like they're just the human The English
language is and I say, America, this experiment.

Speaker 1 (01:37:01):
The American the.

Speaker 2 (01:37:02):
English language is an experiment. You know, most of these
words have the opposite effect.

Speaker 3 (01:37:08):
And uh.

Speaker 1 (01:37:09):
And and we don't know what we're saying. You know,
you you you know not what you say. All the
things that are meant for good, we're told are evil.
Like I think one of my king David, No, no, no,
like the word abricadabra. Right, you're oh, that's witchcraft, that's evil.
It is it could be, but it's hey witchcraft. Yeah,

(01:37:29):
that's always an our witchcraft, witchcraft that we're talking about.
We're talking about Hebrew. I create what I speak, right,
So I mean there are certain things that taken you know,
on face value, can be meant for good. It depends
on No.

Speaker 2 (01:37:44):
That's are using it for that's a law. It's no
good or evil, right and Africa, if you say it.

Speaker 1 (01:37:52):
Good and evil is an act of that will not
necessarily a value attached to an object itself.

Speaker 2 (01:37:57):
You know, it says uh the promise of God or
yes and amen.

Speaker 1 (01:38:02):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:38:03):
And and I look at it like the universe that
holds order is just saying yes and amen to everything
that you put out with with the abracadabraa with that
as as I speak, it I created, as I breathe it,
I created, and the universe is saying yes and amen, man,

(01:38:24):
I'm I'm the righteousness of God created it in Christ
Jesus to do good works.

Speaker 1 (01:38:29):
Yes and amen, Man, I can't. I don't have no friends.

Speaker 3 (01:38:33):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:38:34):
All my friends always abandoned me. Yes and amen. You
created it and you keep protracting it. I don't know
why I can't. How about change the way you look
at about taking every thought captive into obedience, into obedience
to Christ. Right, taking that thought it starts coming out,
And this is one of the things that I've challenged

(01:38:56):
myself to do. It's like, if a negative thought starts
coming out, I stop it as soon as I hear
it and change it or just cut it off, whichever way,
if you don't finish the sentence and the thought is incomplete. Right,
But you know, man, I never no, I always right
reverse it. You have the opportunity to do that on

(01:39:17):
the onset. And then, of course, if you get better
at catching yourself, yeah, you get better at catching and
then it then eventually the words stopped coming out of
your mouth, and yeah, you're catching your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:39:27):
You know, You're like and then you don't even have
to anymore because it didn't It can't.

Speaker 1 (01:39:33):
Live in your reprogramming your mind.

Speaker 3 (01:39:35):
What's strange is what a battle it still is like
with a good morning and grand Rising. It's such a
battle because if you're in public and a cashier says
good morning to you, you're like, oh, if I say
grand Rising, she's going to think I'm weird or she's
going to not know what I'm talking about. But if
I say good morning, I'm saying this. And it's like
it's always a weird battle still with me, even though

(01:39:57):
it's been what a year that we've kind of put
that into practice pretty good. And then like family, you know,
family doesn't always understand your quirks and the things that
you do, and so it's like they say good morning,
It's like how you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:40:12):
It hit us hard because we went we went to
a funeral and the dude opened up the door. And
this is when we're trying to like like we know
it's the thing we don't do anymore. And the dude,
the old man opened the door to the funeral home.
Good morning a thing, But I ain't nobody here having
no good nothing. Everybody's morning in here. This morning is
what you do at a funeral, and there's not nothing

(01:40:33):
good about it, not to any of these people, you know, right,
we want.

Speaker 1 (01:40:37):
To change that. But maybe there's some truth to it. Maybe, yeah,
maybe that maybe sometimes morning is good. Right, It's a
part of the process. So it just depends on it,
I guess the way you think of it, right, But
but I mean, you know, there's always if somebody says something.

Speaker 5 (01:40:52):
Like that, oh, Reggie rebuke you, Oh, come on, that's
all right.

Speaker 1 (01:40:56):
I don't receive that. You don't receive that review. I
was a loving rebuke, Okay, I really love how about that?
We used to do that time, brother. But yeah, No,
like somebody says something and you're kind of in your mind,
like I don't know if I want to repeat that,
but you can always. I usually just kind of come
back with like thank you or same to you, all right?

Speaker 2 (01:41:18):
Or what about what about when people used to pray
for you at the altar and they're laying the hands
on your yeah, and they're.

Speaker 1 (01:41:24):
Just praying, praying, praying, and then the stuff that you
want to agree with, You.

Speaker 2 (01:41:27):
Said, yes, Lord, thank you, Lord, Father asked you to
bless them. God that you would God, I pray you
open up a home for him in Florida. I'm like
I don't want that damn home in Florida. Uh, and
I pray to you bless his family. Yes, Lord, thank
you Lord, and just keep going. I'm just like agreeing
with and yes and all the stuff that I want.
And they're like, Lord, that you would that you were
teaching patience. I don't want to learn patience.

Speaker 1 (01:41:48):
Yeah that's hard, you know. Yeah, you gotta be careful.
You gotta be careful what you agree with it. I'm
not gonna agree with that, sir. Right. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:41:55):
Another one like I find myself sometimes if my like
my shoulders hurting, I'll say, oh, it's killing.

Speaker 1 (01:42:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:42:00):
But sometimes when I say that out I was just
like oh, and I even like we'll say out loud,
I shouldn't have said that. Didn't mean that, like hagrid
On Harry Potter, shouldn't have said that. Just reverse it.

Speaker 1 (01:42:14):
My thing is is a lot of my battles are
like ailments. Right, I'll say this bum knee of mine,
and I'll be like, no, this healed me of mine? Yeah,
you know, and I have to, but I've already released it,
so you have to. Yeah, you have to train yourself, right.
Oh yeah, And so I know exactly what you good? Old?
That's good old of.

Speaker 3 (01:42:34):
Mine, love, good, healthy, strong, hold old me.

Speaker 1 (01:42:37):
I say thank you Lord for strength and healing. Yeah yeah,
so so what what?

Speaker 2 (01:42:43):
What didn't we talk about that that you want to
talk about before we go? We're not We're not rushed,
but I know you you have stuff to do. You
traveled what five hours six out? It was about five
or so five or six hours.

Speaker 1 (01:42:54):
To get here.

Speaker 2 (01:42:54):
You came straight in and sat down in the You
are ready to roll? Man? Yeah, I want it because
it usually so long to get ready when guests come
and they're like an hour waiting for me to set up.

Speaker 3 (01:43:05):
I was like, let me just put some music on
and get the vibe right.

Speaker 1 (01:43:09):
You just playing some of that project and I was
listening to the Thirty Days Parallel. I was listening thirty three.
Ah man, I want a face like that. I was
listening to Dude, I was listening to Primer fifty five
on the way down here. That took me way back.
It was two thousands. But you know about this one.
I don't. I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:43:26):
I yeah, yeah, bucket, I want to see them.

Speaker 2 (01:43:31):
So bad Supertones, supert that's so back, Supertones.

Speaker 1 (01:43:35):
So I did themes karaoke the other night, and it
was four to twenty themed, right, but I'll put some
super Tones on fourth because it was like regular yeah,
and then some hip hop, you know like Snoop Do
No Life.

Speaker 3 (01:43:50):
We gotta play some supertones.

Speaker 4 (01:43:51):
Way I played strip Back man, dude, they had a
lot of good so they had a lot of good songs.

Speaker 2 (01:43:57):
Strip Back, Sons of Nine, not a Fraid to be
a Mata mm hmm. That's somebody I wanted to work with.
Oh yeah, Matt is his first name for his last name,
but that would be I wanted to work with all
those dudes. Got the interview a good bit of those
throwback Thirtydeth Parallel, Andrew Swab, you got swa Yeah, these
five down. Yeah, I interviewed like it was so cool

(01:44:19):
to be able.

Speaker 1 (01:44:20):
Have you heard have you heard the new stuff the
Omni record? It's getting better?

Speaker 2 (01:44:23):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, his new stuff's getting better. I
mean not getting better, like just it sounds more of
the It sounds more old, you know what I'm saying,
because we like the old project.

Speaker 1 (01:44:33):
So the newer stuff was heavy, self titled drawing black lines.
Yeah things, I tell you, that's what. That's what. Yeah,
of course, you know they did that. Was it pipe
Dream he did with Sunday Singable. No, it's six Sirens,
six Sirens, that's right. And I think pipe pipe Dream
was on the Solid that was that single. Yeah, it
was on this is Solid State point like it was

(01:44:55):
just wide. It had to be some kind of lens
right like on his right. His mouth was so wide.

Speaker 2 (01:45:00):
Screens good stuff, man, Yeah, playing on the Christian channels
and we're like, this is Christian, this is scary.

Speaker 1 (01:45:07):
Didn't you say? And I remember you telling me that
you like you do a lot of your original inspiration.
You saw Packs two seventeen you saw? Yeah? We saw yeah,
Oh yeah, we saw them a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:45:18):
Yeah, I love had them on earlier.

Speaker 1 (01:45:20):
I never saw I never saw those guys alive, but
I love them. Dude.

Speaker 2 (01:45:24):
Y'all keep talking. I'm going to go grab something. Keep
talking about music.

Speaker 3 (01:45:29):
Yeah, we saw Packs two seventeen a couple of times
at I think I think both was it both times
at Gracefest?

Speaker 1 (01:45:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:45:39):
So did you ever go to Grace Fest?

Speaker 1 (01:45:41):
I didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:45:41):
It was kind of like a Christian bay Fest and
it was in Pensacola. But they had all these bands
come in, all these different stages and at the time,
like we were newly married and very low income, so
we would volunteer to work for a few hours and
they would let you, you.

Speaker 1 (01:45:57):
Know, how you get in. Yeah, that's a hack.

Speaker 2 (01:45:59):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (01:46:00):
Yeah. Now I remember going to what was it called
the Festival Condos.

Speaker 3 (01:46:05):
Oh yeah, we went to that once.

Speaker 1 (01:46:07):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Toby Mack, Yeah, Toby Mack was there.
Piller was there. Man, I was like a man, a man.

Speaker 2 (01:46:14):
So you you I may have showed you this before,
but I'm gonna show the camera real quick.

Speaker 1 (01:46:20):
Have I showed this to you? I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (01:46:22):
So Andrew Schwab, which is the lead YEP of Project
eighty six, for for donations, he would any lyric that
you want, like he's big into calligraphy, and he would
he would write out all the lyrics if it was
the whole song, that's right, Like he just he'd sit
there for if you sent him one hundred bucks or
something or twenty five. It was pretty cheap stuff that

(01:46:42):
he was doing to fund one of his projects. And
I was like, this was always like it's from the
first album and this is the hour or Truth Divide, right,
this is the hour and he signed at the bottom.

Speaker 1 (01:46:57):
Yeah, I saw the at the bottom, dude, So you
sent any how long have you had?

Speaker 3 (01:47:01):
Have you had it a long time?

Speaker 1 (01:47:07):
Yeah? I mean twenty everything goes to twenty seventeen.

Speaker 3 (01:47:12):
That's the number that comes to my head too.

Speaker 1 (01:47:13):
I feel like.

Speaker 2 (01:47:14):
If we looked up when I interviewed them, which is
probably twenty seventeen around that time, eight or nine years. Yeah,
it's one of my favorite laires and it was I
forgot what I may I don't even know what I
paid for.

Speaker 1 (01:47:25):
It was less than one hundred bucks for sure. That's
pretty cool, man, that's what. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:47:31):
I thought that was a cool piece of art, and
then I bought I ended up buying. So I interviewed
the guys from these five Down and on eBay there
was a like from some of the old like HM magazines,
there was a fold out of these five Down and

(01:47:52):
I think Pack Tree seventeen on the other side, and
I bought it for like five bucks. So when I
ended up interviewing those guys and I was like, hey,
then shuit what I got? Pulled it out and they're like,
whatt' see? Like maxazine?

Speaker 1 (01:48:03):
I remember that that, uh was it two or three
of the guys from these wipe Down. Yeah, two of
the guys.

Speaker 2 (01:48:08):
I was trying to encourage them as much as I
can to keep going and put out music. It's kind of,
you know, it's kind of weird, like when you get
the interview some of those people and not fanboy out
because you're always like reliving there the album you love
even so, I know Schwab was probably he probably didn't
like talking to me because I'm just like talking about

(01:48:29):
the first two and he's like, man, I'm working on
a new project, got a new tour, and I'm like,
hey man, but those those first two albums, dude, yeah,
you need to do more like that, right, you know,
you need to wrap some because I think I sent
him I want to say it was Schwab.

Speaker 1 (01:48:48):
I think it was Schwab and it was before this.

Speaker 2 (01:48:50):
I was trying to get him, get him on a feature,
and so I sent them some beats and stuff and
he said, Okay, just send me some of your stuff
and I'll check it out and and i'll see about
if I can do something. And I sent them like
the rap stuff, you know, it was rap rap beats,
and he's like, yeah, I'm not really feeling it. I
was like, hey, man, just you know, just a course

(01:49:12):
or something would be great that you're like a huge
inspiration to me. Man, I really am inspired by what
you do, and I think I get a lot of
my style from from from you.

Speaker 1 (01:49:21):
It rubbed off on me. He's like, I don't see how.
I don't see how. I think he was talking more
about the.

Speaker 2 (01:49:26):
Subject matter, like you know, the subject matter like the
rapping of like aliens and far out supernatural kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:49:35):
You know, He's probably like, dude, that's.

Speaker 4 (01:49:38):
I did inspire none of that rebut this in Jesus
name probably probably anyway, fanboy out on Christian music has
some good music.

Speaker 1 (01:49:47):
It still does. Yeah, there's a new you get into
hip hop and stuff. I came across Indie Tribe recently.
You heard any of their stuff? You told me about them? Okay, yeah,
Indie Tribe, Dude. I just ca across them on like
TikTok or something like that. And and there is say
something like like the new generation of Christian rap is
hot or something like that, and I started listening. I

(01:50:08):
was like, Okay, so I don't know, like, because you know,
whenever you hear the word Christian in front of something,
you automatically think, okay, b side, you know it goes
into a category. Yeah, sometimes it surprised the heck out
of you. Like, Okay, these guys got.

Speaker 2 (01:50:24):
That's what I did with these five down and thirtieth Parallel,
because that's what we did ask Christians. We're like, oh,
I don't have to listen to Disturbed anymore. I've got
these five down right, so, and I think I had
them on podcast, like I know, I asked them about
those charts and stuff because we love those charts. Like
you don't have to listen to Lil Wayne. There's t Bone.

(01:50:45):
Sometimes those charts were accurate, other times they won't. You
don't have to listen to remember t Bone three six Mafia.
You don't have to listen to three six Mafia. You
can listen to these guys. And when they were accurate,
they were cool and you would find new. You have
to listen to Lincoln Park. You can listen to the
thirtieth Parallel right right right.

Speaker 1 (01:51:03):
And I think I think Falling Up was another band
that was kind of inspired by Lincoln Park, at least
on their first record.

Speaker 2 (01:51:09):
Yeah, yeah, right, until they learned how to make radio
hits and then it's like, hey, what do they do
the same thing with Cutlass Yeah, yeah, Cutler's find out
how like there's more money in and writing worship songs, Yeah,
worship singles then putting out some hard Christians Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:51:25):
Yeah, no brainer. Yeah. And they haven't looked back yet.

Speaker 2 (01:51:28):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:51:30):
The first album was it was good Skillet too. They've
changed a lot over the years. Like one of my
favorite worship albums is their Ardent Worship that he did
with his wife Corey, and it's like nowhere on the scales,
like totally different than what they would do now on
the radio.

Speaker 1 (01:51:48):
But yeah, that Ardent Worship record is a good one.
That one song that he that stands out to me
is like Jesus be Glorified. I think it's the name
of Yeah, that was pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (01:51:57):
I saw Angels Fall Down, Oh yeah that one, and
hey you I Love your.

Speaker 1 (01:52:03):
Soul was that's a good record. Yeah, there's a lot
of I remember meeting I remember meeting Skillett when they
first got together. That you remember the winter jams they
used to have so they still do, yeah, okay they
still don't. So they had something called Winter Extreme, which
was like a conference that they did up in Gatlinburg
is like three days and for a short time they

(01:52:23):
had Summer Extreme. The first one that they did was
like A ninety seven I think it was. I was
down in Panama City Beach and I went to that one,
and that's where I got to meet John Cooper. He
looked like he was what's his name from Kirk Cobain
or something. Yeah, he looked like Kurt Cobain. That's that
first album, that's right, and uh, and I've never heard
anything like it. I remember meeting him. He had on
bell bottoms and a referee Jersey had the long hair

(01:52:43):
and the little goatee patch or whatever and uh. And
we went back there and was chatting with them, and
he was like, dude, why why did they call you guys?
You call yourself Skillett And they were They said something
to the fact of, well, you know, everybody that we
talked to you said our music sounded like you took
different versions of rocks and rock and threw it in
a frying pan. But frying pan didn't have a nice

(01:53:04):
ring to it. So skillet people would bring skillets to
the concert and yeah, and he called his fans pan
heads and stuff. And another side note there was that
was the day that was the same weekend that Audio Adrenaline.
I saw them for the first time and Will McGinnis
you remember the bassis h huh. He actually walked up
in the crowd and was like standing right next to

(01:53:24):
me and and I looked over at my brother and
I was like, dude, that's well McGinnis, that's the basis
for Audio General. He's like nah. I was like, yeah, dude,
that sound. And then when they introduced the band, he
literally just jumped up off the stage, took his beanie off,
threw down his backpack and picked up his base and
it was awesome. It was a good day. A long
time ago though, but yeah, man, simple we like to

(01:53:47):
relive those times going on.

Speaker 2 (01:53:48):
I mean that the Deaftones concept we go to We
go to concerts, man, that's what we put on concerts.
I mean, and if there's any I mean, we have
our We wanted to get nine Nail tickets because we
haven't seen him in as a bucket list, but those
it was we have to get too. And I didn't
get a hotel and so I mean it was just
too expensive, man. So we didn't get to go see

(01:54:09):
Ninis Nails.

Speaker 1 (01:54:10):
But did you know that the nine and Nails is
doing the soundtrack for the Neutron movie? Oh? Really? Mm hmmm.

Speaker 2 (01:54:15):
He's a couple of them, man, So yeah, the soundtracks.

Speaker 1 (01:54:20):
Both the members of Nine Inch Snails have collectively done
individually twenty seven different motion picture scores, but under the
name Nina Snails. This will be their first one. So
I know that tron Tron legacy. It was that punk,
which that punk is no war. So so now it's
going to be tron Ares and it's coming out later
this year, and it's going to be Ninage Nails. I'm

(01:54:41):
kind of excited, but I don't know what they're gonna do.
That's good.

Speaker 2 (01:54:44):
Uh did you know they You heard that they wrote
the music for, or at least a sample for Old
Tom Road.

Speaker 1 (01:54:50):
You didn't know that I'm going to take My Horse.
I know the song, but I didn't know that was
a Oh yeah, I got to play it for you.

Speaker 2 (01:54:58):
I got to figure out the name of the song.
Let me see, Hey google what song did Old Town
Road sample from? Nine Inch Nails? He got paid from it, too, bro,
They sampled it. He heard it later and it was
like the biggest song, like for a year, you know

(01:55:20):
what I'm saying, and so he uh, but it was
it was only one of his instrumental albums because you know,
you're working on so much music, they're just putting out
just random.

Speaker 3 (01:55:31):
You're gonna play it? Am I gonna copyright strike?

Speaker 1 (01:55:34):
I don't care. It's worth it. Mute it out. He's
gonna even like I got you on you, I don't
think so you want that money?

Speaker 3 (01:55:43):
Of course, we have rent to pay medical bills and
all this stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:55:47):
You ask it through saying you had bills, So that's right.
You just send it to me or whatever. That's not
gonna pick up. I'm talking over it. We're talking. I'm
going to tag go ahead too much? Did you hear it? Yeah?
It's crazy, that's right. What song is that? Thirty four ghosts?

(01:56:12):
It wasn't enough. I'm talking to Aaron.

Speaker 3 (01:56:14):
You would know more than me. I'm just warning you
because I just learned to get in trouble.

Speaker 1 (01:56:17):
Which I love learning stuff like that. There are lots
and lots and lots of samples I love.

Speaker 2 (01:56:23):
Yeah, seeing where they come from. But that was one
that was like out of left field, like oh my god, Okay,
who was like who found that? Though, Like the producer
had to be somebody.

Speaker 3 (01:56:33):
Well, now they have so much automated stuff, they could
probably like pick it up.

Speaker 2 (01:56:38):
Yeah, but the producer had to know, like this, most
of the hits here nowadays, it's going to be recycled
from somewhere.

Speaker 1 (01:56:47):
There's not a lot of original hits. There's just one artist.
Whenever I got my car to drive down here and
I said hey, I was like, hey, sy replay some music.
I guess who was the first one popped up in
my queue? Marylyn Manson? No, truthy truth. Some of that

(01:57:08):
White Magic popped up in there, Magic for the Magic.
I don't remember which song it was, but it was
one from White Magic under that Much. And then right
after that it played Flowed in. I was like, wow,
that's interesting. Follow up.

Speaker 2 (01:57:21):
I think we're I think we're gonna get vinyls pressed up.
I think I told you we had like one and
they're expensive, but I think I think we're going to
get vinyls pressed up. So you got a customer right here, bro, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:57:34):
I know you. Yeah. It was the first CD I
sold in ten years, was the Reggie.

Speaker 2 (01:57:38):
People want to buy them. I just don't have them
on the website, and I found an old box of
Reggie's like, when you come to Atlanta, bring some CDs.

Speaker 1 (01:57:45):
I was like, I got you said, I got of them.
I said, I'll take off of them. Tell the story of.

Speaker 2 (01:57:53):
We Bos because I would have had more CDs I
had I had two boxes.

Speaker 3 (01:57:59):
So there's this kid. We think he's a kid. He
never goes to school and he rides a three wheel
bicycle around the neighborhood. He looks young, but it's like,
you know, sometimes you can't tell.

Speaker 1 (01:58:10):
It could be fifteen or fifty.

Speaker 3 (01:58:12):
Yeah, anyway, true truth. Like lovingly named him we Bo.
We don't know his real name because.

Speaker 1 (01:58:21):
We didn't know his real name. And he rode he
rides the bike and you can hear him.

Speaker 3 (01:58:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:58:25):
So it's from the Friday movie Debo. Yeah, Hey, he come,
Debo Man, how'd you change?

Speaker 1 (01:58:30):
How'd you change? Man? Debo's coming.

Speaker 2 (01:58:31):
So he's riding this little bike. We're like, oh, that's
not Debo as Wibo because version.

Speaker 3 (01:58:38):
But uh, he's always coming around asking for money and
stuff like that. And he gave him a box of CDs.
One day. He's like, look, sell the CDs.

Speaker 1 (01:58:48):
For ten stories on why he needs money.

Speaker 3 (01:58:51):
Yeah, he's like, take these twenty CDs, sell them for
ten dollars apiece, and just bring me half. You keep half,
You keep five from each CD, bring me five.

Speaker 1 (01:59:00):
Because he goes all the churches and stuff and youth groups.

Speaker 3 (01:59:04):
But he took the box and then we didn't see
him for a really long time. And then finally we
did see him, and he said that. He said, all
the cops got me. The cops wouldn't let me sell them.
They said it was illegal, and cops.

Speaker 1 (01:59:19):
Woke all the CDs. Man, yeah, and woke all of them.
They say, won't take me to jail on these CDs.
I had to get rid of them, lying bro, so
we bo deboed them. He did, so, probably what happens.

Speaker 2 (01:59:32):
He got the box of CDs and went and sat
on a hill somewhere and opened each one because they're
cell a fane wrapped. You know, there's a certain feeling
when you're opening a CD right right or Christmas? Like
you hear that little rip? He said, oh, you look
at it and look at the case and the cover
and the book. I'm sure he just looked at it
and described the CD and threw it and they just
grabbed the next one and what's this one cool and

(01:59:54):
just threw I'm pretty sure that's what happened. But uh
so now there's no more asking truth for for for
for money. It's like, hey, bro, you got my money.
Cuse no, I don't have the money.

Speaker 1 (02:00:06):
Truth, you'd be asking we both for money. He got
paid for them.

Speaker 2 (02:00:10):
He hasn't asked me for money again. I mean, it
would have been it would have been a cool little
come up for him, like to go to churches he said,
to have any questing on the CDs. S ain't no customs,
Christian rat bro and most of it was like the esoty.
So a pastor could have made him throw it. They
probably could have put it in. It's like talking about

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pastor probably.

Speaker 1 (02:00:32):
On them that one where yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, this
is the monic, that's right. Yeah. So I would have
had more cities and he was playing with them demons.

Speaker 4 (02:00:44):
Man.

Speaker 1 (02:00:45):
Oh so.

Speaker 2 (02:00:47):
I don't know who to ask because I think you remember,
do you want to tell the story because it's my story?

Speaker 1 (02:00:53):
But you know it? What's up? Oh man? I just
got cut. You tell it, bro, you tell I've been
talking because we keep we keep saying and I said, yea,
playing with them. Man, I just did you didn't you
say it was firm. Yeah, I don't think I have
his number. I'm gonna try to call him. I doubt he'll.
I doubt I have his number. He relocated. He said
he was like at a prayer meeting or something like that,

(02:01:14):
and he said, yeah, let me let me.

Speaker 2 (02:01:18):
I'm gonna try because I think it would be a
lot funnier if he shares it, which I don't think he'll.
So I sent him this picture's picture you want to
show the camera like quick, sure, y'all show your hand.
So that's us At, that's me, that's us and uh
us at deaftnes with you. So I showed him that

(02:01:39):
we were hanging out together. I sent him that picture
and he said, uh, it's been years. Still the goat,
my brother. They called me the greatest of all time,
just like a mobile.

Speaker 1 (02:01:50):
You was the best at Mobile had mob Town's finest
because I.

Speaker 2 (02:01:55):
Had you know, I had all the technology, like I
always had CDs and T shirts and stickers anytime we.

Speaker 1 (02:02:00):
Did recording your own booth at the house too. I
remember that you said you said something about he was
at a prayer meeting or something like that, and we
was all there together. Yeah, and he had said something
about like, amen, y'all, y'all get cut, y'all get cut.
Demon had cut me or something like that. Is that
what he said? Yeah, he said I didn't get cut.

(02:02:21):
He was holding his head, holding his head and got.

Speaker 3 (02:02:23):
Cast out of somebody. Yeah, and it cut him or
you felt like it cut him.

Speaker 1 (02:02:29):
He said, a man, I got cut. What was that time?
He was something like, you know, y'all playing with him demons?
What was that? That's when he was, Uh, he was
at a concert and he just.

Speaker 2 (02:02:43):
You know, people be going through a lot, people have
hard times, and you give him a microphone.

Speaker 1 (02:02:48):
It's not good man.

Speaker 2 (02:02:49):
And I'm one of those people going through a hard
time and I've got a microphone. I'm here crying and
sobbing on the camera. But he was at a concert
that that we put on and they gave him the
mic and he just quit playing with them demons. I
need to quit listening to the Georce Meyer. George Meyer
playing with them demons. She a man anyway, she act.

Speaker 1 (02:03:06):
Like a man. He just went in on all these
preachers to where we were like, hey, man, somebody needs
to cut his mic off. Man. He's like, it's not
need to started crying. I I can't do it no more.

Speaker 2 (02:03:19):
He was like crawling on the stage like, oh man,
like we got to get the mic from Furman.

Speaker 1 (02:03:23):
He was like, y'all need to quit.

Speaker 2 (02:03:24):
Playing with the demons, quit playing with the debits. George Meyer,
she got plastic surgery.

Speaker 1 (02:03:31):
She looked like a duck and was like from stop.

Speaker 2 (02:03:35):
But it was funny because like me, being militant of times,
say he right, yeah yeah. But then it was the
whole on this man having a mental breakdown on the
stage from all these people.

Speaker 1 (02:03:46):
God bless him.

Speaker 2 (02:03:46):
There was a there was a guy there in the
crowd praying for people and uh, He's like, brother, let
me pray for you. So he was like trying to,
you know, take a kind of stealing the show in
the crowd. And he's like something some evangelist or something,
just in the crowd praying for different people. He's like, brother,
let me pray for you. So he pray for the
white boy with dreadlocks. You know, that was only a
white dude there. And I have my glasses on. He said,

(02:04:10):
let me let me see your glasses, brother, And I
took my glasses off and handed him to him, and
he took him and he put him in a handkerchief
and he rolled him up. I thought that he was
going to throw him on the ground and make me
stomp on him on an act of faith to give
my eyesight.

Speaker 1 (02:04:27):
When I was scared that, I was like, he was
waiting for something crazy. He's facing it made me step
on my glasses so my eyes can be healed. He
didn't do it, but I was scared of death.

Speaker 2 (02:04:36):
I just knew that you know the power of persuasion,
and I probably would have did it knowing like it's
not going.

Speaker 1 (02:04:44):
To work, or even believing that it would work.

Speaker 2 (02:04:47):
This is what the Lord takes and act a divine moment.
One moment is all that takes with Jesus. Brother, if
you'll step on your glasses, the Lord will hear your sight.
Even now, even now, there's probably people listening to me
now taking off their glasses, breaking them in their eyesights,
getting restored.

Speaker 1 (02:05:04):
Like that's what I thought. I was going to be
that guy.

Speaker 2 (02:05:07):
But he didn't do it. He didn't tell me to
what if, what are we doing with our lives? How
did I end up here? He's seeing that meme of
like a dude. It's this dude in like it was
like a bathtub full of milk. It's like this he's
sitting in the bathtub. He looks like he's bugged out.
And there's this old lady who looks just ass bugged out,

(02:05:30):
wearing like a white dress and like maybe holding a
staff or something. And it's like me going through my
trauma and this shaman lady I met on the internet
and this is a kid in the bathtub, Like, how
did I end up here?

Speaker 1 (02:05:46):
Right? That's how I felt. That's how always, That's how
you feel. Right now. I was going to see my family. Nah,
you're good. We have an intervention. Nah, you're good.

Speaker 3 (02:05:57):
Brother.

Speaker 1 (02:05:57):
Ain't nothing, ain't no feelings going on, but good thing.
We're not going to air this episode. An that's how
you know. I saw it like letting it.

Speaker 2 (02:06:06):
Down like Aaron talk much talk talk, and because we
don't have any of timer.

Speaker 3 (02:06:13):
Yeah, while I'm watching the time, it's been nearly two hours.

Speaker 1 (02:06:19):
Some good catching up we got, we got some catching.

Speaker 3 (02:06:22):
Up, just a lot of good stories.

Speaker 1 (02:06:24):
Yeah for us the listeners, Like I'm I subscribing now.

Speaker 2 (02:06:29):
Somebody just broke their glasses and they're driving.

Speaker 1 (02:06:31):
That's right. They threw them out the window. So now
now we have to release the prayer of faith over them.
That's right. Go for it. That a many man. Man.

Speaker 2 (02:06:40):
I threw an O Cyrus hoodie off one time after
after UH party was hers. They don't even think it
was mine. I was at work driving the truck, praying
and like wearing O Cyrus hoodie. This says, O Cyrus
Cyrus is a demon.

Speaker 1 (02:06:59):
Through the Cyrus out the window. I guess everything was
a demon at some point or another to us. Man,
the hammer everything is. It looks like a nail. That's right,
that's right. It's about the condition of the heart.

Speaker 2 (02:07:11):
Man.

Speaker 1 (02:07:11):
And see you up here on this podcast wearing a
demonic shirt shirt You like a perfect, perfect circle. It's not.
It's a triangle.

Speaker 3 (02:07:20):
It's a tree of life.

Speaker 1 (02:07:22):
Amusing at all.

Speaker 3 (02:07:23):
It's a tree of life trying. Yeah, the Trinity, Holy Trinity.

Speaker 1 (02:07:29):
Man.

Speaker 3 (02:07:29):
Yeah, the tree doesn't like a being. It's got like
a head and arms.

Speaker 1 (02:07:36):
That might be kind of pagan anything, that's what I say,
like pagan.

Speaker 2 (02:07:41):
Like there's this thing with what I've been saying, because
like with that idea, it's all pagan It's like what
we used to do and people still do it, is
what I say. We're just the best at disrespecting things.
We're just disrespectful like anything any other.

Speaker 1 (02:07:57):
God, any other religion.

Speaker 2 (02:07:58):
We just we just love were masters of disrespect of
other people's think that they call sacred or holy, and
so we blaspheme like their religious relics and things that
mean a lot to them and all that kind of stuff,
you know, And that's one thing I just want to
stop doing.

Speaker 1 (02:08:16):
I think I've gotten.

Speaker 3 (02:08:17):
And you wonder, like where that kind of belief originated,
because you see in the Bible, even Paul going to
the Temple of Demeter and not he didn't blasphem. He
didn't he visited the temple and didn't destroy it or
turn tables over or people.

Speaker 2 (02:08:36):
In their group was their name like followers of Demeter
or followers of Venus, that was their name, but their name,
you know, was something different in English that you would.

Speaker 3 (02:08:46):
Never know, like because they wanted they wanted to like
capture Paul and kill him for visiting the temple. But
the guy in charge was like, he didn't do anything.
He literally didn't desecrate the temple or even speak badly
of anything.

Speaker 1 (02:08:58):
Somebody else's house in disrespect them. Are they going to
listen to the message you bring right?

Speaker 2 (02:09:02):
Right?

Speaker 1 (02:09:02):
You know? And that's the thing. It's like the only
time you see tables being overturned is the people who
knew better. Yeah, it's his own father's house, right, You
overturn tables in your own house, not in a not
in someone who's invited you as our guests. Yes, exactly,
And so that's that's what we are. If you look
at it like we are almost always a guest in

(02:09:23):
someone else's house, Conduct yourself differently, and you'll respect whatever
it is they think is sacred. Yeah, at least not
out of not out of the thing, but out of
goodwill towards them.

Speaker 3 (02:09:34):
Even here, we're visitors here, we're strangers here. This is
not where we're from. And to come come here and
to dishonor and disrespect, destroy the earth, destroy each other.

Speaker 2 (02:09:45):
People as women, so wrong, use animals.

Speaker 1 (02:09:48):
You got to remember who we are, our bodies. These
earth suits were disrespectful. You know.

Speaker 2 (02:09:56):
We're trying to fix that. I would say, yeah, we
are the Power Team.

Speaker 1 (02:10:04):
Everybody listening, the Power Team.

Speaker 3 (02:10:07):
Anybody got a phone, Captain what's a phone book? They
don't make phone books.

Speaker 1 (02:10:14):
That's funny.

Speaker 2 (02:10:14):
Yeah, the phone books had addresses in them.

Speaker 1 (02:10:18):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (02:10:19):
When's just your name and phone number? It had your address.

Speaker 3 (02:10:24):
Okay, let's end it with a fun question. What should
the power team rip in half now that there are
no phone books?

Speaker 1 (02:10:31):
A deck of cards? Parrot cards, you said, terrort cards.
That's too easy, as glasses would break these cuffs. Remember
they used to break cups. Yeah, I remember that.

Speaker 3 (02:10:46):
Yeah, that little dude in chains. Yeah, all kind of
like random stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:10:52):
I could break these cups the power of Christ. I
remember that. That was actually pretty cool. But you know,
it's like getting crunked in the name when you're going
for the lord. Yeah. Yeah, seven. It reminds me of
that Hearty's commercial because Harty's taste good when you're seven
or whatever.

Speaker 2 (02:11:11):
Yeah, our guest, that's the end of the podcast. I guess, so,
I guess this is it why I used to hear it. Now,
thanks for hanging out with us. We we are not
good at Segway. We have some Segway stuff, and but
segue and the end of a podcast can say we
don't want it.

Speaker 3 (02:11:27):
To end, which it's kind of a cheat because for us,
it's not going to end because we're just gonna go
and hang out with Reggie some more.

Speaker 1 (02:11:33):
We just hang on, keep requoting it. Yeah, you never know.

Speaker 2 (02:11:38):
It's called the vlog that's right now. But we do
have a retreat coming up that we're excited about.

Speaker 3 (02:11:44):
Mount Shasta, Vortex, UFOs, beautiful energy nature.

Speaker 2 (02:11:50):
Oh, let's talk about that before we end the UFO.
You remember, like one of our last interactions years ago
before there was a gap, was like we both prayed
to see a UFO and like we kind of we
might have saw the same thing, like the same weekend,
because we like.

Speaker 1 (02:12:09):
Both called each other to tell each other like what
we saw, and you were like.

Speaker 2 (02:12:14):
Brother, I was in my car driving and I prayed,
and I swear to you, I looked up and I
saw a cigar shaped craft or something. I didn't you
tell me a couple of yeah, because I saw this
sad thing. I remember that on the phone with Watchman
because he was asking me about it too. I think
I think I ended up talking to Watchmen about it
as well. During that time.

Speaker 1 (02:12:34):
It was one that I was driving down the highway
and I saw and it looked like it was two
white you know UFOs that became one and during the
day or not. It was during the day. And I
don't remember which one. I'm going to tell you about
two different ones, and I don't remember which one I
talked to you about, but I remember I talked to
Watchmen about this and it became one and then it's

(02:12:56):
like and I could see it as clear as day,
and then I kind of like blinked my eyes like
to make sure I was seeing it, and it disappeared.
And then the other one was at night, and that
was an orb It was like a reddish color, not
exactly deep red though. And I was driving down the

(02:13:18):
drive to my apartment that I lived in, and I
could feel something watching me. I don't remember if I
was driving or walking. I might have been walking. I
might have been out for a walk and I felt
like something was watching me right, And I turned and
looked and just above the trees, and it was literally
just above the trees, like I feel like I could

(02:13:39):
have thrown a rock and hit it, and it was
a it was an orb of light, and when I
looked at it, it went from being completely there to.

Speaker 2 (02:13:49):
Like it.

Speaker 1 (02:13:50):
I don't know, I couldn't say it shut off. It
just kind of shrunk and disappeared like that. So it
wasn't like a light like you flip a switch. It
was like it was like a substance of some sort.
So those are two experiences that I had around that
same time. Yeah, and so the first one looked like
flying craft. The second one, I don't know what that was,
but the first one you told me about, it's probably

(02:14:12):
the first one. They happened within the same time period.
But the second one it felt like something was watching me. Huh.
The first one, that's why you called watchmen. I had
your name is Watchman, and I really watching me? Brother
was watching me? Was it you?

Speaker 2 (02:14:27):
Was it you?

Speaker 1 (02:14:27):
Yes? It was me brother? But yeah, no that that
what was the one that you said? Did you see
something at that time? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:14:33):
So we were in DestinE and this was years ago,
and I was riding the jet ski with John like
towards Crab Island and just and at that time, I'm
like always looking up still am but like wanting to
see something is during the day and and uh, I
just saw a cylinder craft just hovering in the in

(02:14:53):
the in the sky, just moving really slow. There's like
a plane but with no wings. And by the time
I I was like, man, he stopped because it was shallow,
that we can get off as soon as we stopped
or whatever. I tried to get him to look up
because he was he was always trying to you know,
he was big into him too, but he didn't get
a chance to see it.

Speaker 1 (02:15:11):
But it was like the cigar shape one I can
tell you one I probably almost called you about, but
I didn't because I realized that it wasn't what I thought.
I wouldn't believe, dude. I was when I was living
in Mobile and I was driving my work fan and
I saw what looked like your classic round silver UFO.

(02:15:31):
Uh huh, clear as day it was round sphericle. I'm
sitting here like, am I actually, I'm like freaking out
because it's pretty close. It's not so far away that
you know, You're like, I don't know, is that just
a reflection or is it a blur? It was clear,
and I'm sitting here like, what am I looking at
right now? Yeah? Is this what I think it is?
My heart's you know, beating and palpitating all that stuff,

(02:15:54):
and then it starts to turn and it was the
good Year blimp. Oh yeah, but because of the way
it was facing, it looked completely round and spherical, and
I thought I was seeing an alien spacecraft.

Speaker 2 (02:16:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:16:05):
So sometimes what you're looking at isn't what you think
it is.

Speaker 2 (02:16:09):
That's why I tell people all the times. It's like,
I call myself a skeptic and uh, and I think
it's it's good. It's healthy to be a skeptic. Like what, like,
what else could it be first besides the thing that
you want it to be, because like I want it
to be a UFO so bad. But it was a
plane because when planes are flying directly towards you at night,
they're freaking super bright with their headlights or whatever, and

(02:16:33):
so and then they fly right over you and they
are planes. But there's footage of UFOs turning into planes
as well.

Speaker 1 (02:16:41):
So there's there's that.

Speaker 2 (02:16:44):
But but I'm the same way and and uh and
so I have so many different sightings and experiences.

Speaker 1 (02:16:51):
I'm like, if just one of them was was.

Speaker 2 (02:16:53):
Real, you know, once you start, you don't want to
start having them and writing them down and it's like, okay,
that was just a flock of so that was just this,
or that was just that it's like, now I have
seventeen of them, one of them, could you know, could
be real. I'm still I still like they say that,
I'm that way skeptical just so I can make sure

(02:17:14):
that I see the real thing we want.

Speaker 1 (02:17:17):
I don't know if I if you've heard this story,
but one.

Speaker 2 (02:17:21):
Of our retreats, we always end our retreat retreats with stargazing,
and we have military grade night vision goggles and we
bring those out and we get under the stars with
those in freaking amazing. And so it was only three
of us at this retreat. I didn't really promote it.
It was Stephen the voice from him, him and Buddy Martin.

Speaker 1 (02:17:42):
Smith, and so it was just us three.

Speaker 2 (02:17:45):
And so we we do a Gookala ceremony and we
do breath work, getting really deep, just get into some
real spiritual, beautiful energy worship music, that kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (02:17:54):
Into the night. We go out to the field and
it's scary because it's like pitch black, like it's a
it's a it's a.

Speaker 2 (02:17:59):
New moon, and you can't you can you can barely
see your hand in front of your face, it's so dark.

Speaker 1 (02:18:05):
And so we go out there to this this field
and so we're.

Speaker 2 (02:18:09):
Like, okay's there's jaguarres out here, like some kind of
panthers or something like, we're in trouble if there's anything
out here. But I had night the night vision, so we're,
you know, looking up to the sky. We're just asking
for a sighting and stuff. And I learned several retreats
in that people were experiencing not stuff out of the

(02:18:31):
atmosphere in the sky, but they were experiencing lights in
the woods that were moving, and they were trying to
get me to look, but I was like, no, no, no, no,
we got these goggles and we're looking up for it.
That's just probably a lightning bug. And I've had I've
had like profound experiences with some kind of lightning bug
looking things. But it was I guess it was a

(02:18:51):
lesson for me because there was nothing in the sky
but this thing. We just went all the way around
us like in the circumference of a circle, and then
there was a bunch of them just in the woods
blinking pulse. They weren't linking at pulsing. So in my
mind still the skeptics like it could be it could
be lightning bugs, but they looked different there were a
different color. They they the way they lit up and

(02:19:15):
just came in and out. Say this looks a little
bit different. And Martin was like, nah, brother, these that's
not lightning, but these things are communicating with us. I
was like, all right, let's try to get close to
close to them. And we were like still, it's kind
of scary and I'm trying to get close to it.
And we get real close to one and me and
Martin are just like fixated. Stephen was kind of spooked

(02:19:38):
because it was very spooky out there, but he's like, hey,
I think they want us to leave, bro. I think
he started getting like real scared of.

Speaker 1 (02:19:46):
Wanting to leave.

Speaker 2 (02:19:46):
And me and Martin are like, nah, we're here for this,
like we want to make sure. So me and Martin
are like, if you're if you can hear us, and
can you can you change forms for us? Can you
maybe take on the form of a woman or something
and say hello?

Speaker 1 (02:20:05):
And we were like child like awe.

Speaker 2 (02:20:07):
And wonder like maybe this is maybe this could happen.
And as soon as we say that, Stevens like, nah, man,
I no, I can't see nothing like that, bro, I can't.

Speaker 1 (02:20:17):
We gotta go now. We gotta go.

Speaker 2 (02:20:18):
And he starts panicking. So now the energy shifts, right
because now we're like respect and he's like, oh no,
we gotta go, man, I'm leaving y'all. And he started
walking out by himself and scared and tripping over stuff.
And as he did that, broke where the light was.
The light goes out and I see in the pitch
black a silhouette of a three foot dude being running

(02:20:45):
up and run right around me, and Martin did like
a have circle and ran back. And I was like
it was so dark that I'm a skeptic too that
I'm like, did I just see that? Or did my
mind playing tricks on me?

Speaker 1 (02:20:59):
Right? And so I said, I said, hey, Martin, he said,
the little dude you saw the little dude saw you
saw it too. I didn't even have to tell you.
I didn't have to convince you. He said, the little dude, Yeah,
I saw him. I was like, oh yeah. I was like,
if if Steven wouldn't have come, like what if, what

(02:21:19):
could we have encountered? Right? Because he's like Steven's like, no, man,
we got an agreement. Man. They know not to show
up like that for me. They know I'm scared of him.

Speaker 2 (02:21:28):
Because he had like demonic experiences with shadow beings and stuff,
so a shot if he if he would have seen
that shadow, he might have had a heart attack or
something and shoot me too.

Speaker 1 (02:21:38):
But like it was so fast. But yeah, like these
then that's what I've had conversations with people about things
like this, and and it's really cool because there are
some people out there. I think a lot of times
you feel like you need to have people out there,
like I'm gonna keep telling people till I find somebody
who believes me or maybe they've had a similar experience.

(02:21:58):
A lot of times we're trying to like, Okay, am
I crazy? You know? Did I see that? Like you said,
you immediately had a confirmation. A lot of people never
get that confirmation, so they're stuck with thinking, Okay, did
I really see that that, I really hear that, that
really experience that. And for me, it's like, you know,
sometimes experience is for you. You need to treat it
as a sacred experience. And then sometimes not everybody, not

(02:22:22):
everybody gets that confirmation that or that affirmation from somebody else,
you know, like yeah, experience the same thing. That's what
this podcast does that. That's what this is here for you,
because there might be somebody listening or watching who is like, yo,
I saw something similar, and that was what it was
for me. When I was younger, I saw the people
in white. I'd see them in the in broad daylight.

(02:22:44):
But it was always catching, just a glimpse, just just
quick enough to know I saw something, but you're kind
of like, wait a minute, where they go? Always I
would have seen those I saw. I saw well. I
did see the shadow of people standing in my doorway
when I was younger, and I always thought it was
my standing there watching over us as we slept. Yeah,
and I'd say, daddy, and it would just stand there,

(02:23:06):
and so I'd go walk and I and I was
I knew just as soon as I stuck my head out,
I was gonna hit his flesh fill the you know,
his hairy chest or something, you know, because he you know,
usually at night, he'd you know, go topless or whatever.
And I'm sitting here thinking, and I'll walk right through it.
And that happened several times whenever I was young. But
then as I got older, I started seeing the people

(02:23:27):
in white and they were always watching me, always running
like you know, in the distance somewhere and uh, and
I remember, and nobody's I've never talked to anybody who said, yeah,
I seen the same thing, but i've in my twenties.
Around the same time that I saw the orb of
light and the the the UFOs or whatever they were

(02:23:49):
UAPs what are they calling them nowadays, I did pray
and was asking around the same time. I was like,
you know, if if this is something that I saw,
will you let me see it again. I think I
was around twenty four something like that, and it was
at night time and I normally always seen him in
the day and I was pulling out. I was in

(02:24:11):
my car and I was pulling out of the driveway
or the road that led to my apartments, and my
headlights caught a man in white running away from me. Wow.
And it was way Demors. No, definitely was a way Demors.
But the cool thing was is he was right across
the highway and the minute I blink, no, you're good,

(02:24:32):
you're good. But the minute I blinked, the minute I blinked,
didn't see him anymore. But I know I saw him,
and it was literally I had just prayed before I
left my apartment, and I was just like, you know,
if I really saw that when I was a kid,
will you let me see it one more time? I
saw it, and that was probably twenty eleven. It was
a while back, and that's all I needed. I don't

(02:24:53):
I can go the rest of my life and not
see it and know what I saw, right, And I
don't know why I saw those things, those beings, they're people,
you know. I don't know if the angels watching over me.
I don't know what they are, but it's like I
saw them, and I know I saw them, and maybe
one day it all makes sense. But right now, if
anybody listening has seen somebody in white there, you go, yeah,

(02:25:15):
oh for sure.

Speaker 2 (02:25:15):
If somebody listens totally had that encounter, yeah, you know,
I don't think I have.

Speaker 3 (02:25:22):
I've seen a blue a blue person, a blue being,
and they had like patterns all over their skin like
the Nave similar she said, more like, what's that guy?
He looked This one looked more like the guy on
Guardians of the Galaxy. Oh yeah, but he's got those
patterns all the big buff guy.

Speaker 1 (02:25:42):
Oh okay, here you're talking about tracks, right, he's kind
of like gray with the red scar.

Speaker 3 (02:25:46):
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (02:25:49):
Heard him like like, uh, what do you call that?
Like not Gregorian, but.

Speaker 2 (02:25:53):
Like he was praying, but it was a kind of
like low hum over her and stuff in the bedroom, like.

Speaker 3 (02:26:00):
A guttural chant type of language. And I you know,
it's so weird when you have these experiences that it's
not English words, but you just have a knowing of
what they're saying, you know. And he was a praying
and protection over us. It was a time when I
was going through a lot of mental battles. It was
after my healing experience and I had a lot of

(02:26:22):
stuff coming out of me that was still fighting to stay.
And yeah, I just had had I was just begging
God like to send somebody to protect me and protect
me and him, and it was it was very strange,
Like I woke up. I was not dreaming because I
keep dream journals and stuff like I can tell the difference.
And I woke up and saw this being in our room.

(02:26:47):
And it sounds like if you know who I'm talking
about describing, like you would think it would be scary,
but there was no fear at all, Like but I
saw him. It was almost like translucent, so he wasn't
like fully there, but I could see him and hear
the prayers, and I immediately got the interpretation of the
prayers and weird mannerisms and stuff like the way it translated.

(02:27:13):
It was almost like what we were talking about earlier,
kind of like catchphrases that aren't used anymore. But I
knew what it meant, and I had an immediate like
feeling of peace and protection wash over me and I
went back to sleep.

Speaker 1 (02:27:29):
No, it was more like the other guy.

Speaker 3 (02:27:31):
No, I mean it looked like that, but he had patterns,
like scroll like patterns all over the skin.

Speaker 2 (02:27:39):
That's the dude from the Watchman or whatever. But it
wasn't like him. It was more like the other guy.

Speaker 3 (02:27:46):
Just because of the patterns. Yet his entire skin was
covered with patterns.

Speaker 1 (02:27:53):
I think you know his name, Reggie. It's so weird
how the how this all works though, you know, talking
about the name for Drags. Who played Dracks five seconds,
I'll tell you who the character?

Speaker 3 (02:28:14):
Yeah, that's exactly what he looked like.

Speaker 1 (02:28:16):
Just you know, Dave Bautista, Yeah, I played them. Hey
what you're doing, brother, Hey, what's going on? Which you

(02:28:36):
going pretty good? Just got somebody who wanted to say
hello to you for a second. Ahead, put it to
the mic. What's up by for me? I'm trying to
get you where we can get you on the camera.
I don't know if that's mic. Okay, we'll do it
on the mic. How's it going, brother, I've been good man,

(02:28:59):
I've been good. Ahead, it was in it was in
here talking about you a little bit. I appreciate it. Yeah.
There that was talking about the time you had got cut.
You remember that gout? Yeah? Tell him there. You know,
we was at a church service. At a church service.

(02:29:20):
He said something demon had cut you or something like that.

Speaker 2 (02:29:28):
Yeah, it was good times, right, Getting cut by demon
is not great, Firman. We're doing a we're doing a podcast. Bro,
I figured I uh hit you up.

Speaker 1 (02:29:48):
He wanted to. He wanted to bring you in on it. Man.
We were talking about the old days. Man, it's been
a while. What's you up to nowadays? Yeah? Okay, ain't
no wrong with that, okay. So working in making my
hand chases? Oh out in Texas? Okay, So you ain't

(02:30:10):
mob town anymore? Years? Okay? Okay, Well said, I've been
up in Georgia on the other side of Atlanta. For
the past eleven years myself.

Speaker 2 (02:30:22):
So mm hmmm, a firm I see, I see you
wearing white. You know, we used to go out with
the Israelites wearing all white and mobile.

Speaker 1 (02:30:37):
Yeah, say all night, like four in the morning. That
was a powerful time. So they were very powerful. Yeah, man, Yeah,
that was a great time. Man. You just took the
prisoner guy down that place.

Speaker 2 (02:30:51):
We had some wild experiences, didn't we here we did.

Speaker 1 (02:30:54):
Yeah, he did love you, brother man. Good to see you, brother.
We'll talk soon.

Speaker 2 (02:31:02):
Good to see you brother, alright, Salon. Yeah, that's a
precious brother.

Speaker 3 (02:31:11):
Man.

Speaker 2 (02:31:12):
He followed me out there when I went downtown. He saidhen,
you feel like you had to do something. And watching
all those Israelite videos and people preaching downtown, which a
lot of people do in film now, like he was
out there with us, and he was at he was
out of all the Bible studies and still still doing it.

Speaker 1 (02:31:30):
It's a sweet, precious brother. I love. That was weird.

Speaker 2 (02:31:35):
Like my name is Furman, Furman Jackson Junr. I never
met nobody near Furman always just a peticular.

Speaker 1 (02:31:41):
I haven't met one yet, not him, you know, people, Yeah,
Furman Jackson Elo wish is the third. He never checked me,
and he just like, yeah, that's what that's me. He
didn't want to talk about the good and cut by
demon thing. He was like said, oh yeah, that was
a long time. He remembered, though, Yeah, the job is

(02:32:03):
memory that time my head got cut. Remember that time
you got cut, he said, talking about you know he
was at the church service. A demon cuts you. Oh yeah,
that was bad, horrible. It was good time, a good time.
It was a good time. It's not good good to
get cut by cutting folks, he said. Yeah, when they leave,

(02:32:26):
they fly by, and the switch blading sticky mm hmm,
cutting everybody. We're all bleeding out, like Tyler, Tyler creedy,
got y'all sticky, pimped down. Yeah, And that is officially
the end of the podcast.

Speaker 2 (02:32:41):
That was some good That was some good, good stories
we got to share. But these etheric beings and UFOs
and that's right, and blue beings beings coming on and.

Speaker 1 (02:32:52):
White people know it's people in white got to make
that clear. That's people.

Speaker 2 (02:32:55):
One, you were definitely afraid of white people when you
were little, and so you had that reoccurring dream of
white people following you. I don't know about that Wade
Dimmers and Jean Duffy, I say, but you know, being
a skeptic man, I like to be a skeptic, like
the thing like, what was that?

Speaker 1 (02:33:14):
Okay, you just saw drones? Is what you saw? It
was drones could be maybe we have.

Speaker 2 (02:33:18):
No idea, but and so I have and I have.
You know, my one of my first experiences was waking
up at you know, two in the morning whatever. I
don't know what time it was, but I was I
was a little kid, I was like four years old,
and I wake up with beings pinning me down to
my bed in my room, and I can feel them

(02:33:39):
on top of me, like these shadows and they felt
like I don't know if they were referry or what
is weights holding me down?

Speaker 1 (02:33:47):
I'm looking. I could see see them, but I couldn't move.

Speaker 2 (02:33:50):
I was in like sleep paralysis. And I don't know
if I was too scared to move or I couldn't move,
or if I was just too scared because I wanted
I didn't want them to know that I was up
or something like.

Speaker 1 (02:34:00):
That's what I felt, like, What the heck is this
a little kid like four years old?

Speaker 2 (02:34:05):
But I remember it, and I feel like that set
me on this trajectory of like, you know, I always say, like,
what movies we rented when I was a teenager.

Speaker 1 (02:34:15):
You know, what ghost stories we told?

Speaker 2 (02:34:16):
And I would find ways to weave that in and
say and ask, like, you know, around campfires with your
cousins and stuff, like anybody ever had this happen? And
eventually people say, yeah, yeah, my dad had it. And
then I heard about hear about the hat man. This
was back in the early nineties. Oh yeah, there's a
guy in a hat that used to come in my
room and he'd come in there, and I was like,

(02:34:37):
I'd never heard of that. That's different than just these
little shadows. But come to find out now that was
a phenomena that was happening to people. Some being that's
trying to dress up and pretend to be a human
wearing a hat and a trench coat, you know. And
so I feel like it set me on a trajectory
to be who I am today. This experience at four.

(02:34:59):
But I like to toy with the idea because it's easy.

Speaker 1 (02:35:03):
I wrote about it in my book.

Speaker 2 (02:35:05):
It's easy to say, Okay, these were demons that came
to me and and they were scary. They were blacker
than the darkness of night, and they were trying to
suffocate me or whatever you try to put in it.
What if it wasn't like what what like what if
it was just my pillows stacked up on Could I
sleep with my pillows over me?

Speaker 1 (02:35:23):
Now?

Speaker 2 (02:35:23):
Kind of because of that experience, Like I put my
pillows on side of me now, Like, like, what if
you saw a vision of the future.

Speaker 1 (02:35:31):
What if I was four and I saw.

Speaker 2 (02:35:33):
A vision of me being forty, you know, with my pillows.
What if that was my wife on one side and
my dog who's very heavy? Like what what if it
was a premonition? It's this what if that I think
it's healthy to go back versus being locked into that
Hey there's these demons things.

Speaker 1 (02:35:50):
That's bad because I was afraid that get on you. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:35:54):
I did this one podcast and I was just just
going through the what ifs with a dude, and it's like,
what if what if that? What if I was four
and what if I my mom and dad left the
window open on accident and there was a known pedophile
that lived next door, And what if he came through

(02:36:15):
the window and messed with me and caused trauma and
I was in shock and couldn't move and I made
up this story because of the man, Like what if
I talked to my mom one day and tell her
the story, said, oh, yeah, because you're too young to
even interpret any anything that was going on. It's like, oh, yeah,
there was that man who ended up going to jail.

(02:36:37):
He was molesting all the kids on the street and
uh and we pressed charges and it was you know,
you were one of the kids, and we didn't We
never talked about it, like it was like what if?

Speaker 1 (02:36:48):
What if? You don't know?

Speaker 2 (02:36:50):
So this idea of like being locked into your beliefs,
of being locked into your interpretation of the of the
sheet that you put on the thing on your trauma,
like it showed up as two demons, what if it
showed up as some creepy dude that climbed through the window.
Like it's a probably not, but it's it's fun to

(02:37:10):
ask the question and say.

Speaker 1 (02:37:12):
What if you know?

Speaker 3 (02:37:15):
Yeah, I think it's healthy to have skepticism and investigate,
but when you know, you know, I think too.

Speaker 2 (02:37:22):
And then I'm four, like what do you know? I
didn't know anything when I was twenty four that I
thought I knew and thirty four.

Speaker 3 (02:37:31):
And uh so, yeah, but he knows he saw him
as a child, the white cloaked beings and then asked
for conversation, but he.

Speaker 1 (02:37:41):
No, he believes. You believe you saw something. You don't
know what they are. What I'm saying, right, I don't
view it through a lens of fear, though, like there
are some I guess I was kind of going back
to the point, like you can do things like, oh, well,
it may be afraid, so therefore it must be demonic, right,
And we attached negative connotations to it just because we

(02:38:04):
don't know, and we let the unknown cause fear. And
I don't know. I always thought they were angelic beings
maybe or people watching over me. Yeah. I don't know
exactly what they are. I couldn't tell you the deep meaning,
but I know that I found comfort in them being there. Yeah,
and I know that, you know, it was always something

(02:38:24):
I saw in the light, not in the darkness. So
like the only time I saw one at night was
my headlights were on him, so he was in the light.
So I feel like you're seeing the movie.

Speaker 2 (02:38:36):
Oh yeah, that movie, Like at the end of the Knowing,
remember those dudes, I feel like they were. There were
like some eloheem type beings.

Speaker 1 (02:38:45):
They were pretty pretty creepy in the movie, but then
at the end you realized that they were.

Speaker 2 (02:38:49):
They opened their mouth and like lights came out their
mouths and stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:38:53):
Yeah, they were creepy. They were kind of painted up
to be creepy throughout the movie. But in the movie
they served like a bigger purpose, right, it's that salvation
of mankind or whatever.

Speaker 2 (02:39:02):
Yeah, because I know it showed did it show aliens
at some point?

Speaker 1 (02:39:05):
I can't remember. It's been a long time since I've
seen that was a dope movie, was all in it
and stuff. Yeah, yea, but yeah, there was these white people.

Speaker 2 (02:39:14):
I feel like they were wearing white. Maybe they weren't,
but they had white hair, pale skin. But uh yeah,
it's the you know, it's being okay to not know
and and to have an idea or a belief, but
to say we know because we know, that's what religion

(02:39:34):
did to us and messed us up and caused us
to you know, allowed us. It was a catalyst for
us to mess up a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (02:39:42):
You don't have that sheet to cast over it and
you can't see it, then you need to be afraid
of it. That's kind of what you know, what religion
teach us us, or at least can is. It can
have that effect. Like, Okay, it's not in the book,
it's not in our our, our codified theology. Then it's
of the devil because God is not the author of confusion. Brother,

(02:40:05):
you know, I was like, I don't know, but he.

Speaker 2 (02:40:08):
Is whoever whoever is in Genesis nineteen, I think it is,
or maybe it's whoever built it, whoever destroyed the tawer
of Babbel is whatever God did, that is the author
of confusion, right confound, that's right confused.

Speaker 1 (02:40:26):
He's there's lots of there's lots of things that he
does that in the scripture say that is the ways
are not our ways, and you know who can know
it and things like that, So not me, thank pretend
I do. I have no idea, right, no idea right now.
The biggest, the biggest journey is to know thyself. And

(02:40:48):
I tell everybody that it's like, you know, at the
end of the day, when you draw your last breath,
the only person you're gonna have there with you, that's guaranteed,
it's gonna be there with you and people like wealth.
And I tell people all the time, the most important
relationship you're going to have in your life in this
world is that with yourself. And people say, well, the
one with the Lord. I was like, okay, I get that,

(02:41:10):
but where is the lord? But how are you? Yes, exactly,
that's a good point. But in you it comes to
that looking within right and if the Lord is unknowable,
I'm just kind of trying to make it simple as
I can. No one knows you better than you. If
you ever run into somebody you're like, I know you

(02:41:32):
better than you know yourself. No, No, you don't. You
might see things I don't see, or I'm like, well,
you know, I've had people tell me that. My ex
wife told me that. Yeah, and she would tell me
that whenever we were having an argument and she was
trying to elevate herself to a position where I needed
to listen to her over than what I knew about myself.

(02:41:54):
And people that tell you that, it's like, you don't
even know yourself, you know, so don't pretend you know
me better than I. I mean, now I might turn
a blind eye to things that you see. It's not
the same thing I still know that I'm yes messing
up or whatever right we like to We like to
turn a blind eye to things, but that doesn't mean

(02:42:14):
that we don't know ourselves. And so at the end
of the day, you can, you can and will know
more about yourself than you know about God the Father
because of how and I don't want to say unknowable
he is, but how infinite he is, you know. So

(02:42:36):
that's good.

Speaker 2 (02:42:38):
And then there were more questions, do you have a
retreat coming up? Yeah, because that experience that I have
it was that a retreat.

Speaker 3 (02:42:48):
We do have a retreat coming up. It's in June,
June twelfth through the fifteenth at Mount Shasta, which is
an amazing vortex of energy, a full nature all around
Castle Condor, where we're going to be staying with our
friend Krin. We're going to be talking to the birds

(02:43:09):
and the trees and each other with some sound, healing,
some cacao. It's going to be a magical time. And
tickets are on sale for a few more days at
Seer Dot School. They're still going to be on sale
after that, but the price will be a little bit
more so if you want to get them, if you're
called to it. Now's the time.

Speaker 2 (02:43:30):
Up, UFOs up top Mount Shasta. It's the fire, Travel
down and save us. Do you know that they're from
Afro from Nobody knows nobody knows me better than I know.

Speaker 1 (02:43:47):
Me exactly thyself. UFOs travel down and save us from disaster.
That's it.

Speaker 2 (02:43:54):
Yeah, all right, guys, thanks for hanging out on the web,
on the website, on the podcast.

Speaker 1 (02:43:59):
Uh you can't.

Speaker 2 (02:44:00):
You want to plug man, and people want to follow you,
like I like this, dude, man, let me follow him.

Speaker 1 (02:44:04):
Let me I do have a website. I do have
a website. Reggie but R E G G y H
E B e r T dot com. Herbert Reggie Herbert
A Derrek rossco Roscoe. How you doing? How you doing?
He got pray but I'm playing. Yeah. It's kind of
just a blog site and so a lot of a

(02:44:26):
lot of stuff I talk about is I think when
I started the site it was kind of like I
think I called it becoming a king or something. You
doing those coffee coffee shorts that I used to I
used to do this. Yeah, I might pick him back up.
One of the things I kind of recently have been
trying to do is bring higher vibrations and I'm trying

(02:44:47):
to stay away from negative, but sometimes you know, you
kind of mixed the two. You got to balance them out. Yeah.
So the so the website that is kind of like
a blog, and I just kind of put some things
on there and sometimes it just real short and just
something simple to contemplate. And I'm not saying I'm always right,
but to astrology like thinking about stars more philosophy. Really,

(02:45:11):
I'll leave the astrology up to those that are good
at that. I think I am. I think we all are.
Just don't know it.

Speaker 2 (02:45:20):
Yeah, you know the story of Jesus, you know astrology.
Oh facts, Happy Easter everyone. I know this is probably
going to be out. I don't know when, like around Easter,
probably right after or on Easter, Like maybe you're like
driving home. This would be good for people in their
drive home for Easter because you listen to this.

Speaker 1 (02:45:39):
I'll listened to it on my way back to.

Speaker 3 (02:45:44):
Marry You better get to editing, Mary.

Speaker 1 (02:45:47):
It's a lot.

Speaker 3 (02:45:47):
It's a lot of editor there's a lot of betans.

Speaker 1 (02:45:51):
We give you a lot of content, dude.

Speaker 3 (02:45:52):
Yeah, exactly, Rock and more than Marrier man.

Speaker 1 (02:45:58):
See it's good to see him though. There wasn't hear
that voice? A man a man? Yeah, playing with the
good time, good time. Yeah, cut me. Yeah. Check out
Reggie's web website. Check out our website. And happy Easter everyone,
Happy Easter, Happy Easter, at least not that happy passover happy. Yeah,

(02:46:22):
Merry Christmas Quantica. That's it, Happy Christmas quatica. The things
how that one goes? Right? Yeah, it's Star there you
go it star Star. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:46:33):
We are hiding East Star eggs tomorrow, all right, but
you guess what's in them?

Speaker 1 (02:46:37):
It's not yoke chocolate money. Oh that's even better for
the kid. They don't know yet. We're trying to keep
it a secrets to say, gonna finds. Just Reggie got
out on them basket and I'm gonna bring that money back,
say he goes Terry pay bills. Oh man, Lord, blessing
fire on your life.

Speaker 3 (02:46:57):
Great what you sew? So we're selling money right until the.

Speaker 1 (02:47:00):
Ritual has brought you much increase.

Speaker 2 (02:47:03):
Today, I definitely have. I'm here today because of a
fertility ritual in my parents before in nineteen eighty four,
there you go, or nineteen.

Speaker 1 (02:47:10):
Eighty, nineteen eighty four or sometime before before. Yeah, because
I'm in January. Baby, there you go. Love you guys. Peace.

Speaker 2 (02:47:17):
Soalon, Hey, thank you so much for watching this episode.
I hope you enjoyed. I want you to know that
there is a video right here that you can You
can watch a video right by me.

Speaker 1 (02:47:29):
Click this now.

Speaker 3 (02:47:30):
No, don't click his video, click my video. His video
is probably about demons and dark stuff. Anyways, mine's probably
about angels and awesome stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:47:38):
She has a point. So you decide the demon or
the angel. Where do you go with

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