EM Burlingame on culture, masculinity and the dying West

From Afghan villages to Western boardrooms, EM Burlingame unpacks the cultural clash between East and West — and warns that hyper-individualism may be the West’s undoing.More Jerm interviews: https://www.ukcolumn.org/series/jerm-warfare

Episode Transcript

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What is your background? Tech finance, tech finance
mostly investing in technology infrastructure stuff as an
analyst. I just have a cat attacked
computer here in a minute. Did the military special
operations for 11 years and targeting guy and doctoral

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studies and computational science and engineering kind of
understand where AI is. Is it going to save the world?
And no, it might give us the illusion.
And then got into medical practise, you know, brain injury
related due to some brain injuries that I incurred myself.

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And then that led me down the pathway to get to do what I
really want to do decades and decades ago, which is write and
be a writer, you know, and tell stories that people really
connect to. And and that's where I am.
I have shot A50 Cal have you? Oh, of course, Both in the the

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M-250 Cal machine gun and in theBarrett sniper rifle.
I'm so jealous. We were making a sniper.
No, no, I wasn't a sniper. I was in the Green Berets.
I was calms and then intelligence.
So OK, not. A sniper didn't go to Ranger

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School. Yeah, just Green Beret.
The one I'm referring to is a BMG.
A/B MG Yeah, yeah, I've what? Have you ever fired the dishka?
The Russian dishka. No, I have shot the AK47 which
is great. Yeah, well, so many variants of
the AK47, but the Dishka's a heavy.

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I don't know if it's 50 Cal, butit's I've got a couple of the
bullets that were shot at me in Afghanistan that were expended
in the dirt colot that I was in.So I've got a couple of the
Dishka bullets here in the housesomewhere.
Hang on, we're not going any further until you tell me some
stories quickly. What are you doing in
Afghanistan? We were doing I was with first

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Special Forces group under thirdgroup and we were doing village
stability operations where we were trying to figure out how do
we, you know, the Green Beret mission is, you know, winning
hearts and minds and teaching and training and all of that.
I mean with we'll go hunt peopleand shoot people too, because

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how else do you train better hands on, right?
But how do you go into a part ofthe world and help a people
become self sufficient and diplomacy information, Marshall,
you know, military, economics, finance, intelligence and law
enforcement. You know, those seven elements
of power and how do you put all that together to help a local
people be self sufficient and then groups of, you know,

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communities of those and then a state, right?
And even if you have to do it with shadow state for a while
within. So we were there in eastern
Afghanistan and we were doing what's called village stability
operations where you're, you're trying to put all of those
things together and root out thebad guys and which is

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interpretive, right? And and leave something
functioning behind that, you know, the locals can not only
benefit from but can sustain themselves.
So that's what I was doing in Afghanistan.
Yeah. OK.
So there's a segue right there. You said bad guys.

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I was recently in the the UAE, Iwas at a big UFC fight and every
American. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, which who the whole the whole thing with the prelims
also? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, you're talking about and, and did you, did you expect
Whitaker to lose? I didn't know exactly to be

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quite honest. Shara was my favourite of the
night Yeah, Shara, Shara Bullet.He was my favourite of the
night. Best, best fight to the.
Yeah, that was a good fight, yeah.
Fought with a broken nose. Yeah, smash nose.
Not just broken, that nose was smashed, but.
What I was going to say EM is that every so it's it's

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different what you got on TV andbeing there and being there
you're sitting in an arena of 18,000 people or so, right?
Every American and and Western fighter that that entered the
the arena got booed. You spoke really now of taking
out the bad guys and you said it's interpretive.
What you as an American, how do you view that?

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Well, I'm an American of Englishand Scottish and direct Scottish
and English ancestry and Scandinavian, you know, Norse,
Scandinavia or Norse Norman before that, you know, of
course, the mixing of the, you know, but I'm basically of the
British Isles ancestry wise. But you know, I've got family in

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Switzerland and I've got family in in Norway and Portugal and
and you know, I wrote about thisyesterday.
The East and the West have been at war for thousands of years.
I mean, what was that whole thing about the gates of

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Thermop, you know, the hot gatesand Thermopylae?
What was that whole, you know, in the 300?
And what was the whole thing about Alexander the Great?
Xerxes. And was Xerxes right, not
Darius. My memory is not as good as it
used to be. The East and West are not
compatible. We've been at war with one
another for thousands of years. We have, you know, when we're

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not, you know, diminished and infiltrated from within by our
own, you know, I can swear, right?
Our own, our own fucking assholes, right?
Our estrogenetics, you know, ourestrogenics, resentful as
financialists when we're not owned and controlled inside the
East and West, are fundamental. We have fundamentally different

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concepts and ideas of, you know,group life, group living.
We do, you know, and it's a little bit less on the
continent, European continent since the Romans.
It's very much was very much thesame still in the British Isles.

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Well become the British Isles, but we have a fundamentally
different, you know, in the West, excuse me, we believe in
the individual and the rights ofthe individual.
And in the East, they believe inthe rights of the collective, of
the group, of the community. And both are right and wrong in
their own ways. But you know, Western

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civilization, you know, Europeancivilization, Western
civilization and much later, butBritish and English, you know, I
hate the term British, but English and Scottish.
And we, we developed in direct refutation of Eastern
civilization concepts and ideas.We've been at war with them
forever. Islam's just the latest.

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You know, that's a later thing that came along 1300 years ago,
1400 years ago. But we were at war with Persia.
Yeah, Zionism as well. You know, we've been at war with
that region forever, right? And it's way deeper than this,
all this Abrahamic bullshit stuff that gets laid down on top

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as a way to try and manipulate and control us by our own
people, by the way. No, this is, this is our much
older, much deeper, fundamental dis disagreement over to over
the rights of the individual. And we'll probably fight that
out to the end of time. I don't know.

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I mean, the earliest that I knowof it historically is it is, is
the classics, right? So that's the Persian and Greek
conflict, right? And maybe not all that's true,
right? In terms of, you know, the
Greeks are very good at psychological warfare in terms

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of their plays and and their literature and their poetry, et
cetera, of, you know, laying down the illusion of Greeks,
Greek superiority. They're always a tiny little
population. So, but there's fundamental
realities in there, right? Individual rights, individual

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sovereignty, the responsibilities of the King.
It's an interesting paradigm because here on the African
continent, we are not really Western, we're not really
Eastern, we're just Africa. And so we kind of just
observers. You're like 3 different Africas

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because of the it's a massive continent with three
fundamentally different geographic areas, so.
Yeah, the north is. Yeah.
I mean, the North is completely different to the South, yeah.
Well, and that the north is, youknow, what is that?
The Sahel is fundamentally different than Sub Saharan
Africa and South South Africa, not just South Africa, but the

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southern part of Africa is fundamentally different from Sub
Saharan. In the Sahel, it's like 3
totally different geographies. And because of that, you have 3
fundamentally, and they're broadareas there, but you've got like
3 fundamentally different concepts of life and living.
Because of the geography. But the irony, EM, is that we

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still have the same type of battles going on.
If you look at our biggest, our biggest resource, which is
effectively gold, platinum, diamonds, I suppose, guess who
owns the mines? Anglo American is one of our
biggest operations and they're not South African.

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You've spoken about, yeah, you spoke about the influence of of
sort of the Anglo American establishment, Rockefeller,
Carnegie, etcetera. This all goes back before them
though. This is all goes back to the
financial kill chain. This all goes back to Venice.
It goes back to Amsterdam, City of London.

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United States is just now tryingto break free, so the world may
be taken to nuclear war to try and prevent that.
Because that's what a crazy bitch does in a bad divorce.
She knows she's going to lose. Referring to the Black Nobility.
I don't, I maybe I think they'rein there.
There's factions, right? There's factions in old things.

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But you know, the financialists are the Praetorians.
They're the old Roman Praetorians.
And how did they rule exactly asthey rule now?
They're the they're the intelligence apparatuses.
They're the security apparatusesand they own and control the
elites. And if an elite gets out of
line, will they kill him like 2 Kennedys or they blackmail him

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like a third Kennedy, right? Or they try and kill another
one? On live TV here recently, not a
Kennedy but a Trump. What do you make of Diana?
What's that? What do?
You want to. Make from him, I think.

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Trump is a loyal American Englishman.
I think he's his mother's son, Marianne McLeod.
Trump. McLeod.
Come on, Islander the movie Trump.
Trump was raised to believe there can be only one.
No, I think he's a loyal American Englishman.

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I think he realises that America, like Byzantium out of
Rome in the 3rd and 4th century,that America is poised to be the
keepers of English civilization for the next however long 500
years. But we've got to survive this
transition. You know, the, the breaking of

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all the old power structures in the heart of the old
civilization, the British Isles,that are owned and controlled by
the Praetorians, by the financialists, the whatever the
hell you want to call them, right?
But they've been in control of us since 1688, all out control.
And now that's being broken. You mentioned bad guys when

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you're in Afghanistan. Who are the bad guys?
I think in Afghanistan we probably were.
Well, I don't mean sorry, I'm not referring to Afghanistan.
I was just using that as the as the, as the comparison.
Yeah, yeah. I wrote a book called The
Eternal War. Let me touch back on

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Afghanistan. I didn't mean to say that, you
know, all of our guys are bad guys and all that kind of.
Stuff. I'm not one of those.
You know, self flagellating kindof guys.
We were there doing what we thought was right.
Maybe we were minute. Maybe we were heavily duped into
something that wasn't right though, right?
So give me a second. I don't think anybody's wholly

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guilty and anybody's wholly innocent, let's probably put it
that way. But back to the bad guys,
ultimately the bad guys as relates to us, I can't speak for
the rest of the world, that's their stuff.
But as it's as it speaks for Europe and the English speaking
peoples, it's the same. It's the same fucking Romans.
It's the Praetorians, it's The Who became bankers, right?

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These, these and not banker bankers, because you need
classical, traditional local banking, you really do need it.
But this financialist kind of banking, all these derivatives
and synthetic instruments and hypothecation and all this other
kind of complex, sophisticated stuff whereby they steal the
Commons again and again and again and again and drive wars

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after wars after wars after warsto lock in these thefts of the
Commons. And they keep everybody
fighting. Everybody always, all the time,
it's the financial list. They're resentful as the, in the
book I wrote, The Eternal War, these are people that are
motivated by envy and resentmentfrom the time they're little.

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It's about 30% of any populationthat we look at.
And then there's the adoptables,which are roughly 50% of
populations and they're somewhatresentful and somewhat
responsible and in different ways at different times and
different measures across their life.
But the enemies of humanity in all groups, in all, you know,

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all countries, nations, peoples,et cetera, are these resentful?
They've been with us since the beginning of time.
They predate humans. They're a forcing function that
constantly keeps us evolving. Now, what family they are, what
organisation that all comes and goes.

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Terribly sorry. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, no, no, it's fine. One of the, the dichotomies that
always gets me though is, is when we talk about, you know,
good versus evil. You know, we, we, we, we often
talk about the, the central bankers, the oligarchs or
whatever, right. But yet we're talking about
frameworks. We're not really talking about
individual because you mentionedthat they are decent people,

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right? Yes.
So it's the overarching. Do you get what I'm saying?
Well, OK, so give me a second. So again, in the eternal war,
there's a, you know, so I wrote out 13 doctrinal lines of the
resentfuls and the responsibles and and refutation.
One of those doctoral lines is systems resentfuls,

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financialist, whatever you know,you want to call them.
Resentfuls are broader, though, because financialists are a
specific type of resentful that focuses on finance and
domination of assets and controlof assets, et cetera.
Resentful rise up within institutions and organisations
always and periodically institutions and organisations

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have to be purged. And sometimes the rot has become
so bad that the entire institution, the institutions
themselves have to be done away with.
And in the English speaking, andit's it's a doctrinal line and
line of effort called systems, they rise up within these
systems constantly and then theyshape and guide and direct these

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systems to prey on, you know, parasitically prey on everybody
in the English speaking world going all the way back really to
44 AD when the Romans came. But every 400 years in the
English speaking world, we fightthis out and we don't do minor,
you know, resets. We do massive resets.

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The last one was the Inglor, youknow, the civil war becoming
Glorious Revolution 1600s. Before that was the baronial
wars that led to the Magna Carta.
And before that was the wars to unify the British Isles into the
into England, you know, Wessex and all of those fights under

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Alfred the Great, Edward the Confessor and Athelstan. 400
years before that, the Romans left and took their legions with
them. And so there was a struggle for
what the hell are we going to doand how we're going to organise
ourselves now. And 4400 years before that, the
Romans arrived and disrupted what had been there before.

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And this may go back for every 400 years for some period of
time before. We just don't know because we
didn't really have solid recordsuntil the Romans arrived.
And that's where we are. We're 400 years on.
And if you take, if we take a step back and look at these
larger historical contexts, to your point, these resentfuls

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have risen up in all of these systems and structures and
institutions and corrupted them all.
And now they're openly calling for the wiping out of, you know,
9/10 of human species to lock intheir steel.
Well, do we think we're going tovote our way out of that, that
we're going to somehow do emplacements of people in these

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institutions and organisations, which the institutions and
organisations themselves now areoriented and structured and all
these complex codes and rules and processes and procedures are
evil? I don't like the term evil
because then people go good, bad, right, wrong, whatever.
They're malevolent anti humanistsystems.
They're malevolent anti humanistslaver systems and very little

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amount of reformation because you'd have to burn the whole
structure not nearly to the ground and rebuild from the
skeleton up, which is possible. We've done it in the English
civilization. That's why we're still here.
That's that's how a civilizationactually emerges as it goes
through these. Burn it all down to the
framework. The frame still holds.

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Build the new. You know structure on the the
old, You know the old timber, shall we say, right.
So, So what? Revolution or evolution?
Yes, yes, that is the choice andvery well put by the way.
But you're, you're absolutely right that we don't want

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revolution. We go to revolution right now,
quite frankly, and it's going togo the way of France in the
1700s. It will be the elites who find
their heads cut off. We're at that place.
Do you think society has just had enough?
Oh, they're way beyond. There are 10s of there are at

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least millions, if not 10s of millions of Americans living in
tent cities right now. They're not tents.
Some are, but they're RV's and campers and van life.
There's all these YouTube channels and I've driven all
across this massive country. Everyone of these parks are
full. Every one of these RV camping
parks are full everywhere. And this is a massive continent

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of a country and everywhere that's the modern tent cities.
We are in an economic depressionand we have been since 2011 and
12 and we've been in a recession, a formal recession
since 2001 ish. And everything's been stolen and
people have had enough. And all the theatre and all the

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distractions of Epstein and thisand that, and it's it.
People are just, they're done. They're done.
So what is the? What do you think?
Well, if the pattern holds, they'll unleash terrorism here
in the United States and maybe they turn this, well, they'll
turn this into a, a racial war because that's what they do,

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right? They want you to go hard ethno
nationalists like the Germans did and they'll force you into
that situation where you literally actually have to kill
darker skinned peoples to survive.
They will force that situation, but they want you to go too far
and then they, you know, go too far.

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Wipe all these people out, use them as forced slave labour to
re reindustrialize your economy real fast, all that kind of
stuff. Just like they did in Germany.
Steal all their assets. Take, all right, especially the
Jews, right? That's all the anti Jewish
stuff. Now.
That's the article I just wrote this morning.
And they want you to go too far because then, just like they've
done with the Germans and othersin Europe, they can use that

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guilt against you to control youfor the next 8000 years, maybe
longer. It's a weird kind of segue.
Yeah, yeah, sorry, I keep, I keep interrupting.
But you, you have these very dramatic pauses.
But there's a weird segue, EM, because you've spoken a lot

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about brain health, and part of the last five years has been a
prime example of who is healthy mentally and who is not healthy
mentally. Yes, Western Civilization went
insane in World War One and we've never reco.
And we doubled down on that withWorld War 2 and everything that

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we've done since. We have not recovered from the
insanity of World War One. We haven't recovered in two
ways, San actual sanity, right? Actual compassmentis.
And the second piece is, is thatWorld War One removed any claim
to morality in the West, and everything that we've done since

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has only proven that we are an amoral people.
Now, we weren't necessarily before World War One.
It's not that we didn't do terrible stupid shit and we
didn't do things that we shouldn't be doing, but on the
whole, we did have some claim tobeing immoral people.
We lost that World War One, which was just a slaughter for

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slaughter's sake. In fact, it was a slaughter
specifically to bring down and end nobility and the
relationship between the people and nobility, because the
financialists wanted to buy, wanted to take all those assets
on the cheap to re collateralizetheir financial system.
And you had to get rid of Princess and people loyal to

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them to do that. Well, they're doing that again
right now. Only now it's the nation state
they're breaking, and it's oligarchs the good ones.
I I tend to think that everything is downstream from
culture. OK, so I wouldn't disagree.
What I would give a qualifier tois that there are some states

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that are actually not necessarily states, but they're
civilization. They're organisation, a self
organisation of civilizational peoples.
And those go vastly beyond the Russians, Chinese, the Persians,
the English, everybody who aboutancestors.

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What about smaller group? Those are cultural.
Yeah. Well, I, I don't Africa I got to
stay out of because I don't knowa lot, but I know that I do know
some Zulu. I do know, you know.
So that's a civilizational people.
I don't know that actually civilizations themselves are not
an ethnic group. They're by nature multi ethnic,

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multicultural, but not in this way.
That's being this weaponized empathy bullshit that's being
sold to us because there has to be a certain deep, deep shared
historical history between them such that they do have, you
know, because what is a what is a civilization?
A civilization is a vast and deep repository of metaphors and

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allegories. Alexander Dugan has said the
same thing. It's what it is.
I didn't know that, but it's what it is.
And you know what is it? It's, it's all these shared
metaphors and allegories of a people whose histories were
developed together across long stretches of conflict, long

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stretches of, of, of times of plenty and times of hardship.
And what it what those are and how it plays out in linguistic
structures and legal structures and organisations and all these
other things is that's the immune system of the people.

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So back to your question, yes, most nation states which didn't
come about to the 1600s when allthis financialist kill chain
stuff was put in place in Europeand the British Isles.
And then of course everything that came out of that later, the

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nation state as it was devised in the Peace of Westphalia,
Innsbrook, 2 Treaties, Innsbrookand Munster 16451649 or 48, I
don't remember, did create nation states along cultural
lines. But they ran into a problem in

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the United Kingdom. What would become the United
Kingdom when they took over, didthe hostile takeover.
And that is that the English, unlike the continental
Europeans, were not a culture, they were a civilizational
people, a mix of cultures, Scotspix, Welsh, Cornish, Anglo

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Saxon, Frisian, jute, Dane, Irish, all the different
flavours of Irish. And then we had, well, that's
the Frisian Anglo Saxon, right? So those are specific NW
Germans, not the others, which are very different peoples.
And then the Iroquois here in the United, you know, in the

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well, in the colonies and some other the Cherokees.
And you know which like I can't I saw something yesterday,
something like 60% of Cherokee have Scottish ancestry because
they intermarried here in in thecolonies back, you know, into
1700s. So point being is that the

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English, unlike the continentalswho were French or German or
well in Germany didn't unify till 100 and some odd years ago,
Swiss or you know, whatever in the British Isles, what would
become be later labelled the British Isles in its original
colonies. We were a multicultural multi

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ethnic people from the very beginning, from very early on in
well, in fact, in the very beginning, back in the 708
hundreds, 789 hundreds, when theEnglish civilization was
established. Well, it's very hard to control.
It's they realised that they couldn't control the English

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civilization, so they tried to wipe it out by replacing the
king. So the leadership at the top,
putting parliamentarians in place, stealing all the Commons,
impoverishing all all of that stuff, and then forcing upon us
this whole British concept that we're Westerners, we're
Europeans, we're inheritors of the Roman and Greek traditions.

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Fuck. No, we're fucking Scandinavians
and Germans and and the native peoples of the islands.
We hate you motherfuckers. We've been in direct refutation
of you for thousands of fucking years.
So they tried to force this whole British thing down on us
to wipe out our recognition of ourselves as a civilization.

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They tried it with the Russians.Yeah, no, sorry, sorry.
I was just going to jump in and say that the Afrikaner history
here is similar. Yes, yes, yeah, You're all
British. I mean, you're all English down
underneath, right? Because we got to remember here
in our, in the British Isles, you know, half of what it is to

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be English. You know, English civilization
came from the Dane law and from the Danes.
But the Dutch was right, but theDanes, right?
Alfred the Great when he laid down the dunes of Alfred, which
was started under his grandfather Eckbert, 4050 Sixty
percent, 4050% of the laws and the principles that became

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English civilization came from the Danes and the Dane law.
If you wanted these, you know, these Norse peoples to come
together with the the other native peoples of the lands and
the Saxons that had come over, et cetera.
You needed to weave together theallegories and the metaphors of

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these different peoples of that of those lands, codify that into
a set of rules that everybody adhere to laws, the dooms of
Alfred, and then build a civilization out around that in
a common language, which was English, which is Old Frisian,
and everybody that. Came long.
After, and here we are, we got sidetracked and derailed in the

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late 1600s. But that didn't happen in China.
Well, we tried to destroy China twice, once with drugs.
Opium Wars to break their hereditary Princess, the Ching
and older families and then thatdidn't quite destroy them.

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They were coming back together under the Kumi Tang under under
the nationalist under Shanghai Shek.
So we backed and supported Mao to send communism in there to
destroy and wipe out Chinese civilization because it turned
out and we tried to do the same with Russians right.
We we brought down China was. Kissinger, I don't.

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Know but this all happens beforethis all happens before
Kissinger comes along later tries to buy again tries to
right point being is this that Kissinger and then went in there
to try and derail the resurgenceof Chinese civilization after
twice we tried to wipe it out wetried to do the same with the

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Russians by sending you know we did the civil war first the
revolution first turns out the guy the loyals were starting to
win so we sent the communists inthere to wipe out the Russian
civilization. The reason is you can't wipe out
a civilizational people and at some point no matter what you're
doing, they will come together around their civilization those

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shared allegories and metaphors and they will bring you down.
They will kick your ass out. They will do the hardship they
got to do inside by killing all the disloyal people inside that
are loyal. You know that you bought and you
got paid for who just resentful and they'll get rid of them.
They'll go back to their civilization because of people
resonate naturally with their civilization.

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It's what they're trying to do to us now.
It's why they're part of why they're flooding all of our
lands with foreigners, because the English speaking people are
starting to come back together as wait, wait, we're a
civilizational people. I think you're here to try and
fix my Internet. So where were we English

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speaking peoples? We got to get back to that,
which by the way, you S Africaners are, are part of the
family. You're part of our civilization.
It's just I can't hear you. Sorry, I had my mic off us.
I said yes, you're correct, but it's the white S Africans

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because we're part of the European ancestry.
I agree with that but here's thething.
I would say there are black S Africans and maybe there's not
many left and I don't keep up with South Africa term much.
Terribly sorry. That's the other thing though.
I wrote a couple articles about the ring theory of the English

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civilization and the early colonies and some of the later
colonies. But the early colonies and some
of the later lands are very English because down underneath
culturally, they already in, youknow, their cultural ethos fits
very much with the down underneath cultural English

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ethos of individual sovereignty,private private property and a
balance of power, right? There are Indians and Pakistani,
you know, greater Indians, whichincludes in Pakistan and
Bangladesh that are very English.
They're not pale skinned like us, right?

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They're not the Anglos, but they're very English in their
nature. And I don't want to discredit
that. Now, that doesn't mean all and
it doesn't even mean a great number, but some are.
And it's the same in South Africa with some of the tribal
peoples, right? Some of the black tribal
peoples, some of those tribes bytheir very cultural nature, very
much like English. Now, they're not going to be us.

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And that's, you know, but I, I don't know.
I don't know that's necessarily true.
I've got this. We've got the same thing here in
America, right? We've got a lot of black slaves
that were brought into America, and then we've got others that
can't. Other blacks came from different
parts of the world after, some from former colonial places and
some from not former colonial places.

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And some of them turn out to be pretty damn good Englishmen,
good Americans. And it's the same, same thing
with the Hispanic world, right? Latin and Hispanic world.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Again, it's not an ethnic thing.
It's a it is to what you're saying.
It is a cultural. But again, a civilization is

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comprised of numerous cultures, but there has to be enough
shared history between those cultures such that they share
the same metaphors, the same allegories when it comes right
down to turn, stand and fight. They turn, stand and fight for
the same things for the same reason.

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And we've got a lot of whites inour country, Anglos and not
Anglos who right that aren't that wouldn't do that.
So it's not like, you know, thatthis is a purely ethnic thing.
We've got a whole lot of, you know, Anglo, Anglo British
Anglos in the United Kingdoms have been raping and destroying

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that out of malice, stupidity, lack of Englishness, right?
A fundamental lack of or care for the civilization.
They're resentful. It's, it's the book I wrote, The
Eternal War. They're just resentful and
they're adoptables who are on the resentful side.

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And they're always about 50% total of the population,
sometimes more, right? So Englishness is the same thing
with Russianness, right? The, we tried to destroy the
Russians. What we didn't realise is that
Russia's 100 / 100 different ethnic groups and 140 different
languages. Or the other way around, I don't

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remember, but you know, more than 100 different ethnic groups
and more than 100 different language groups.
But they all spent the last several thousand years growing
up and working and fighting and,and organising and defending and
building and, and, and they all speak Russian, right?
They all consider themselves Russian.

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We said we started 2 Chechnyan wars to try and use the Muslims.
Good fighters, Chechnyans, damn good fighters.
You always knew when a Chechnya showed up on a battlefield
somewhere, because the whole tone of the battle changed,
quite literally. The UFC fighters are good, too.
Or they're good. And the Dagestan, well, these
are the old Cossack peoples, right?

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These are the old, yeah, border guards of the, of the Russian
Empire. And they, so we tried to send
the Chechnyans in there. What what happened?
Well, they, they mounted terrorism into just the things
and there were two brutal freaking wars in Russia.
What happens now that Chechnya'sare the best damn defenders of,
of Russia? Why?

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And the Dagestanis and right why?
Because they've retaken their old historical roles.
You can't wipe out of civilizational peoples, right?
We can't. That's the thing that that rages
and hate. They hate the most, and that's
why they're flooding our countries with people that will
never be part of our civilization.
They can't and it's not. And yes, there's a bunch of bad

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people in there as well, but most of them are just peasants.
They're just peasants. They got nothing else in life
but to hopefully maybe go somewhere where somebody's paid
them money to maybe make a life.But they're being sent there
because they did not grow up in proximity to us and with us over
the last 500 years. They don't know us, we don't

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know them. We don't share a language and
that deeper language, right? Not just the spoken language or
written language. That's why they're flooding us
because they tried communism to wipe out Russian civilization.
They tried communism to wipe outwipe out Chinese civilization.
They tried Islamic fundamentalism to wipe out

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Persian civilization. None of it worked.
So now their concept is let's just, let's just replace them.
Let's just replace them. Let's just, you know, get them
into a place to where they hate themselves and they don't have
kids. And then we'll just flood them
with millions and millions and, you know, 10s of millions of
foreigners that will never be part of their civilization.

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Part of part of destroying a civilization is not just
ideological or political. That's also identity.
You've written quite a bit on masculinity, for example.
I mean, look at how men are being feminised.
Yeah, Yeah. Well, a lot of that has to do
with birth control pills. Just to be quite frank.
It's not aerosol. Yeah.

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Aerosolized oestrogen, which comes out of females that are
taking the pill down, regulates testosterone production in
males. That's pretty well done studies
so. How you do yes, so you're
absolutely right. You have to wipe out

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civilizations are things that people will fight for and you
have to remove any chance for fighting for something.
And one of the ways that they doit because these are very, they
think, you know, like oestrogen things, estrogenics, that's both
male and female, they can't takeyou on, in a head on straight up

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fight. So they fight in all these
little dirty, manipulative, controlling, deceptive ways.
And one of the ways, very powerful ways to do that is you
change the incentives, the economic, financial, social
status incentive structures in a, in a population such that it
biases towards women and feminised males. 70 plus percent

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of college students now are all females.
And look how heavily they promoted all the gays in the
workplace and gays in society and et cetera, You know,
feminine males, right? And trans, that's even their
well, they like the trans because trans will do violence
because oestrogen upregulates for violence, testosterone down

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regulates. But the females XX proved to not
have the physicality to do the fighting.
They want the oestrogen based, so they need XY chromosome
individuals with physicality. Pump them full of oestrogen now,
they'll go do your violence for you at.
The beginning of the conversation, EM, you mentioned
sort of individualism being a Western ideal and collectivism

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being an Eastern ideal, very broadly speaking.
But do you think that hyper individualism is part of the
collapse of Western civilization?
Yeah, OK, so great question. So healthy individualism only

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works when the individual realises that they are part of
the civilizational peoples and that the purpose of their life
is to continue to improve upon, expand upon and sustain the
civilization and however they choose to do it.
Not centralised command dictatedkind of way, which is the

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Eastern way. But, and so in the military and
U.S. military, you have top downcentralised command in special
operation. The Green Berets in particular,
we have, it's kind of changed over the last 20 years, sadly.
And that's why I won't go down that pathway.
But the way in which the Green Berets are supposed to operate

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is bottom up. We understand the mission.
We understand where we're supposed to be gone.
We understand that this is the end state that that we're trying
to get to. OK, let us here down at the
bottom and in the middle figure out how we get there based off
of things that are happening here on the ground now, right?

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That's the fundamental difference between.
So let me operate individually here on the ground to do what I
need to do to see what we can doto get to that end state, rather
than I'm going to do what you tell me to try, you know, to
force a position where we get into that end state, which
rarely ever works anyways. This is the fundamental

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difference. I can still operate individually
as a Green Beret tactically out on the ground, but I'm still
operating within the battle plan, within the battle space
within, you know, the war, within what we're all, you know,
what we're trying to accomplish.Well, that's the same thing with
humanity. You have to, you know, in the

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English speaking world specifically, not even
continental Europeans, but in the English speaking world
particularly, we each are tryingto drive towards the betterment
of our civilization, the improvement, the correcting of
mistakes, the advancing, maturing, modernising, et

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cetera, individually, but withinthis greater civilizational
construct, at least that's what we're supposed to be doing.
Well, how do you and that's the core of Englishness.
OK, well, how do you disrupt that?
You hyper individualise everybody and break them from
the whole concept and idea of the civilization.

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And now they're just out independent actors.
And I'm going to give you a can't another example of this
cancer. That's what cancer is.
Cancer is a cell that's gotten out of bioelectric communication
union with other cells. The cell then by its nature,
when it doesn't have a sufficiency of a bioelectric

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field that it's operating in, itimmediately goes into replicate
mode. And that's cancer.
And that's the work of Doctor Michael Levin at Tufts
University, et cetera. Well, it works the same with
humans in a society. Break that individual's
connection to its community, to its civilization and they will
go out hyper individualised and try and replicate themselves at

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the at the detriment to the whole.
And if you want to do it specifically, you go after the
women because women and oestrogen again regulates
everything. And so you go out and you
completely destroy the organic status hierarchies and replace
them with artificial and status hierarchies with corresponding

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incentive structures that hyper,hyper favour feminised
individuals. You know, the feminine
individuals and mindset and predators, male pre, you know,
male and female predators. That's how you do it.

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You change the incentive structure.
I wrote about this the other dayabout with respect to the
matriarchs. Actually, I wrote about it about
a year ago or so in an article. Right?
But it's the matriarchs who to set the incentive structures,
and that's what drives all. All right.

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So before we continue EM for those watching everything looks
very disjointed because well, this is an entirely different
day. This segment that we are
recording right now is a result of the fact that a couple of
days ago when I asked you what is the moral of the story, the
Internet died. I think if I remember correct,

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the parts just before the moral of the story is men can do
everything right and we still lose everything because it's not
men who determine or set incentive structures and
incentive structures are what drive all things.

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It's women that set incentive structures.
And in particularly, in particular, it's the upper class
women who set incentive structures, who gets, you know,
ultimately all things down underneath all motivations, all

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things even today is who gets tohave children with what, what
person with what assets and relationships associated with.
It's the same as when we were, you know, hunter gatherer
tribes, the same as when we werein full small villages, the
first cities, now nations, etcetera.

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It's the same motivation. Women are wired for genetic
competition, genetic warfare. They're wired to minimise
genetic variants and and you know, competition coming from
the random recollection of genesand women Orient societies and
incentive structures to support them and their family and their

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ability to choose who gets to have kids and who gets to have
children with whom and and what resources and relationships are
associated with. OK, but then what you're
suggesting is that women have more power than men?
Oh, women have all the power across time, across any, you

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know. So I'll give you an example.
In Europe, the oldest families by far are all matrilineal, and
some of them go back 900 years or so, maybe more.
We just don't have records before that.
But these are families that go unbroken, mother to daughter to
daughter to daughter for centuries upon centuries.

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And what that means is that, youknow, given only 40% of males
have children and 80% of women, although that's changed
fundamentally in the last 25 years or so, because men die
younger, more men die in their teen, you know, before they have
children. In many places and times fathers

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are more likely to, or parents are more likely to bequeath more
to their daughters who have children, right?
So it's more about the grandchildren.
So just all of these various reasons, when you work out
statistically within 3 generations of a family or an
institution, the, the assets andcontrol of that are in the hands

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of women. And historically, what would
women do? If you look historically, not
too far back, right? And still in some parts of the
world, it's usually the woman's family that has the wealth.
Now the man and I have a title. He's earned his place in the
world of man, his respect there.It's usually the the wife's

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family. You know, what is a dowry?
What is a bride prize? It was the woman's family
finding an appropriate mate thatcould protect, secure, be a good
father, you know, or you know, father good children and manage
the assets on behalf of their daughter and their grandkids.

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I swear it is still in much of the world, again, because women
are wired for genetic competition.
They're not wired for combat. They're not wired for
management, right? They're managed for, I mean,
they're they're biophysiologically designed to

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bear children and to, you know, be a grandparent, right?
And not necessarily to have a career.
In fact, that's one of the greatdestructions because the career
was the family and anybody who comes from a yeah, it's flipped.
Anybody who's come from a substantive family, even today

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in the upper class, they still, they don't, you know, the
healthy ones, they don't chase career.
They're still about family. They might have a career in
philanthropy or they might even start a company here and there,
but ultimately at some point, and the upper class, they don't
have to. And, and you know, and this is
upper middle class too. And then also, what do they do?
They do the same thing. They are very particular about

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the man that comes into the family I.
Don't know if this is necessarily correct, but I've
seen this graph plotted multipletimes.
A bulk of effectively that womentend to on average be more
intelligent than men, and men tend to be on the extremes.

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In other words, making stupid decisions like filming Jackass
riding a bicycle into a tree andfinding it very funny.
Whereas women don't find that funny and that's why most men
are also in prisons. Yeah, so the people who did
those studies. Were.
Limp wristed men at university trying to get laid.

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We find it's not true. Now there is a bit.
There is a bit of, there is a bit more of women who are in
the, in the median range of intelligence and there does tend
to be more men who are on the extremes.
So that does tend to be true. But overall that's the
intelligence. And the other thing that we have

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to be very, very careful of because this is what's getting
us in trouble now and why we're having such bad population rates
is intelligence as measured by what?
A test, standardised test. Women tend to do better on
standardised tests than men do on reasoning, on logic.

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They tend to not as do as well on innovation and creativity,
not, you know, artistry, etcetera.
But although most all the great artists were men too, because
again, out on that on the tail, when we look at small social
group dynamics, women tend to dofar better there.

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When we deal with large scale indirect relationship
management, men tend to do better there.
So all of the thing, all of the stuff about intelligence here,
and I wasn't exaggerating, most of the studies we have about

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women and male differences were all written by academics who are
lesser males who are trying to win favour with women to get
laid. Ian, why is it then that men do
so many stupid things like I just mentioned, Jackass?
I mean, we find very funny. I think it's hilarious, you
know, riding a bicycle into a tree.

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My wife doesn't find it funny atall.
And at the same time, I thoroughly enjoyed the UFC when
I was in in Abu Dhabi recently. And my wife doesn't get that
either. OK, so two things that are
related. One men have to explore unknown
spaces. And they have to test.
Themselves in very difficult, dangerous ways in order to

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provide, you know, food for the family, safety and security for
the family. Mostly right, and except for the
Jackass stuff, etcetera. Or not say that I didn't do some
Jackass shit when I was a kid. I remember ending my bicycle up
in the top of an apple tree one time with twigs stuck in me.

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Literally stuck in me. Males have to be more
exploratory, more personal testing.
And it comes with, you know, howdo men, actual male men.
Not these estrogenics today, notall right, there are some men
too. But how does a man earn his
place in the world of man? Well, he doesn't do it chit

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chatting and he doesn't do it, you know, building these little,
you know he doesn't do it like asorority girl, right, With
little cliques. It's he does it by.
Doing the hard things and proving himself in hard ways and
surviving. And when you don't have, you

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know, jousts and you don't have,you know, mandatory service,
military service, and, you know,in the combat arms, men are
going to go find other ways to prove their mettle.
Reality is males are expendable.We always have been.
It's it's nature. We're expendable, and those of

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us that really develop ourselvesfully the best that we can over
the course of our lives, we knowthis.
Does it mean that we throw our lives away and we waste our
lives? Oh, hell no.
Right. If I have to sacrifice myself,
ultimately, I'm going to do it very dearly.
It's going to come at great cost.

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Yeah. At the end of my life, I've got
to look at myself. What did I do?
What did I contribute? Oestrogen and testosterone and
the two types of beings that they produce are still driven
very much, you know, oestrogen, testosterone, drive, all, all
things. And this whole push for

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everybody could be anything and you could be whatever you want.
Boys can be girls and all this has just, and, and again, a lot
of this comes out of academic work over the last century or so
by academics who weren't the ones out crashing their bikes
into trees and earning their manhood and earning the respect
of a woman by and just being blunt and honest.

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You know, there's, he's the guy.And this isn't all guys, but
women as well, right? But they're the ones that are at
the bar deceiving somebody so they can get laid, whether they
know that or not, right? It's not like they're all a
bunch of deceiving liars. Many of them are genuine, but
the problem is they don't realise how their own

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neurological and neuro emotive wiring is skewed to try and find
a mate. And if you're not a big powerful
strongman that women naturally, you know, gravitate towards,
you're going to develop some other way that women will find
you attractive as an ally. Yeah, actually there's a fairly

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well done historical work on thefall of empire.
And at the at the end of the empire, there's always this,
this gender confusion, there's always this.
And my supposition is that the empire becomes so wealthy and
stable and strong that a lot of weaker people, you know,

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physically capable, intellectually or emotional
regulation, lesser peoples are able to rise up and, and, you
know, sustain themselves and succeed in that system.
But, you know, I've watched thismyself.
There's a fundamental too many of these people who think they

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can do anything like a powerful strongman, they believe it until
you show them which is. The way a powerful, strong man
can or or must until you show them, you know, you.
We're not even playing in the same categories.
And so societies design, you know, you know societies,

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civilizations, infrastructure, you know, organisations,
institutions, families, they fail and collapse because of
their own success. But it's always men, though,
who've actually accelerated thatcollapse.
No, I think, man. So this is back to World War

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One. I don't know if you and I are
talking about it, but I think all of the, you know, society,
societal collapse stuff for Western civilization started in
World War One with the just sheer brutality, just just the
industrial scale slaughter that humans had never seen before.

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And we kept doing it and we never recovered from that.
Men, men's psyches never recovered from that horror.
And then we doubled down and didit again with World War 2.
And I don't believe that we've ever, you know, I've been

(01:01:15):
through traumatic brain injuries.
I never had PTSD, but severe brain injuries.
I've helped a number of guys recover and it's, it's something
men that have been in war, men that have been in certain
situations and some women, of course, but mostly men when

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they've been in the real slaughter, the real fight, the
real ugliness it and they've been, you know, in the today's
world since World War One, before it's blast warfare.
So pretty much anybody who's been close to the front's got
brain injuries because blast waves RIP right through the
brain. You don't have to get punched or
knocked down, etcetera. And you only need 234 of those

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are one sufficient and you've got physical brain injuries.
We never recovered from the slaughter.
World War 1, and I suspect looking at history, there's
always these great wars towards the ends of Empire.
Why? Because the women and the weaker
men send the men out to fight everything back into control to

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restore all this shit that they fucked up being in power.
And generally what you know whathappens when men go to like the
global War on Terror, 25 years of war?
I know, I know couple friends ofmine who spent one spent 4 1/2

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years in combat and another spent almost. 6.
And they're not they. They're not random exceptions.
So So what has happened is that due to artificial influence,

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society has selected for the weaker of of the sexes.
Women own and control most of the assets and when when you get
into a position where the institutions and organisations
have physical violence removed from them and society as a whole

(01:03:26):
whole for the most part as physical violence removed from
them, those women want to have direct control and power over
their assets. And then shit starts to go
sideways, which is what we've been seeing since the 60s
specifically. Right and.

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Yeah, Yeah. Well.
The unfortunate thing is there are some unhealthy women,
unhealthy matriarchs who are genocidal by nature and who
promote predators to prey on other women and weaker men
because that's, you know, these unhealthy matriarchs, That's how

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their power is structured. And these are resentful.
I wrote about the book The Eternal War.
And at some point they rise up into, you know, positions of
influence or control in most of the institutions.
And if you want an example of one of these angels, you know,
these horrible genetic warfare angels of death, look no further
than Hillary Clinton or Julia orVictoria Nuland.

(01:04:34):
That's just two examples. Look at Vanderland and in the EU
and and all of them, these are evil women who are in positions
of power that millions of peopleare dying.
What about? People like Margaret Thatcher.
Yeah, or Her Majesty. So sometimes there are some

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matriarchs that in that in that system do OK, right.
There are healthy matriarchs. There are some rather
extraordinary women. They're they're very rare
exception. They're the ones that actually,
I think ultimately keep it all from burning down because at
some point at the end of empire or before the thing collapses,

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they they take their men, they sit them down or stand or
whatever it is, and they look attheir men in the eyes and they
say, go do what you've got to do, right.
I'll, I'll make sure. And this is what that's you're
doing shit. I can make sure you got the
resources you need. I'll make sure you have the
relationships. I'll do my part of in the world
of women and I'll pull the influence there and I'll go to

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war in there. But out there with those enemies
like in our the violence in our streets here, like down there in
South Africa, at some point the few healthy matriarchs with the
real assets, like the very wealthy, very connected women
tell their men, go do what you got to do.
And we go back to violence and if that doesn't happen and

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though, and the healthy matriarchs lose this fight with
the other unhealthy matriarchs and that doesn't happen where we
we go to violence to clean out right like like a brush fire,
right? Burn the brush out because if
you don't, the whole force is going to get burned down South.
Sometimes the healthy matriarchsdon't wake up.

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They don't recognise they don't have around themselves the right
men because they were choosing men for the wrong reasons.
Or the unhealthy matriarchs and their predatory and weak men are
so prolific and in so many positions of power that to move
after them, which is what I think is where we are closer

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now, means civil war. And maybe the healthy matriarchs
just aren't capable enough or smart enough or connected enough
or trust their men enough. Or maybe the men aren't capable
enough to fight that civil war and so the unhealthy matriarchs
just leave. Or the healthy matriarchs.

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So at some point, women have to say enough and tell their men
and provide the cover and the assets and the resources and
the, you know, chitchat talking protections and the relationship
protections and they tell their man, go do what you got to do.

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No more consensus. If we take our whole
conversation from beginning to now, what is your prognosis?
I don't think we're going to getthe World War that the
financialists are pushing for tolock in their theft of the the
final great theft of the Commonsand the great slaughtering of
their, you know, other peoples. I don't think that's going to

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happen because the rest of the world is not backwards anymore,
right? We're not talking about poor
backwards, you know, particularly Russia and China.
We're talking about two very advanced, very modern nations
with very capable intelligence, military, production, finance,

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well educated populace. They've survived collapse,
they've survived communism, they've resurged.
So Persia's the same, you know, Persia's got some things to
clean up, but it's doing it now because that's one of the things
that this, you know, targeted assassination and murder by, you

(01:08:40):
know, Israel here recently is that the Iranians went to work,
realised, OK, it's time to cleanhouse.
And they have been. So I don't think we're going to
get the World War still possible.
We could still do something so egregious that they have to.
However, they, we've tried 3 or 4 times over the last three

(01:09:01):
years of this war in Ukraine andtheir intelligence has gone
straight to the UN Security Council and brought the
intelligence because they can actually do intelligence
without, you know, we think we have intelligence capabilities
of all of our satellites and everything else, our
surveillance, but we don't, we're running dumb and blind.

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If we don't get the World War, they're going to have to go for
civil wars. And I suspect that's more
likely. And I do suspect, and this is
where my genuine concern is, because if it goes to civil
wars, what they wanted to do is go hard ethno nationalist.
Who's seeing in South Africa, bythe way?

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Oh, we're seeing it here as well, right?
They wanted to go hard ethno nationalist so that we you know,
it's black on white or whatever on white and we do a repeat of
World War 2. You know our pre World War 2
Nazi where? It just goes.

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Excuse me? Hard ethno violence.
They know that if the Whites actually go to go to fight,
we'll probably win. But then they want us to go too
far so they can use that as guilt, you know, as a means of
guilt and control for the next century, as they've done with
the Germans. So basically, so, So basically

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you don't have a very positive outlook.
Well, that's not necessarily true.
The fact that we're at this place where one of these two
eventualities happens means thatwe still have fight in US.
And still having fight in US means that we can.

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The old world's gone. It's never coming back.
Gone, gone, gone. That part's true.
But are English civilizations still here, still strong, still
strong as ever? We've got to throw off this
British trash that's been used to, you know, enslave us.
But if we can get back to being a civilizational people and

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recognising what that is and where we come from and how we
all got to here where we are andrealise that when you are a
civilizational people, you don'tneed to be an Expeditionary
conquering kind of people. Because civilizations are rich
and deep and you have as long asyou can feed and house and

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secure yourselves, you have all you need, right?
It's only soulless civilizational less, you know,
peop non civilizational peoples that need to constantly go out
and conquer other peoples. If you look at the
civilizational peoples of the world, none of them are are
Expeditionary peoples. The Russians have never been
Expeditionary unless they had to.

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The Chinese have never been Expeditionary unless the very
few times that they had to. When was the last time India
invaded the world? But the Romans were.
Romans were the Romans weren't really a civilization until,
until the Byzantines and the Byzantines turned that into a
civilization, a Hellenized civilization, which we now know

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as the Orthodox world, right? So and the Romans, second Rome,
which is the Roman Catholic Church, figured that out and
learned that. And they've tried to be the, you
know, the civilization of the West.
And we're hearing that all in the social media space, you
know, the not so subtle social media space about Rome.

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The Roman self was not a civilization.
It was a corporation, basically.The Zantium, on the other hand,
was did make of Rome a civilization and a
civilizational people. That's the Orthodox world today.
At one point it was most of Europe because the Catholic
Church didn't come around in theform that it is, you know, this

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powerful form until 1054. Well, I think the Jesuits came
along later, but the schism right to 1054 schism.
So I'm, I am hearing things. I'm seeing things.
I think we're going to, you know, I think we've got a really
bloody time ahead of us. But if it goes to civil wars,

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it's probably over in three to five years.
I think it probably doesn't start for another two to three
years because they're, you know,the matriarchs don't want it to
go to violence. You know, here's here's the
honest truth. The healthy women don't want
things to go to violence, not because they're weak, but it's

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because it's the fruits of theirwombs that pay the price in war.
So their sons, you know, their beloved sons who go off and die.
And even if they're not beloved sons, but it's still, you know,
the product of a woman's body. You know, this labour of years,
months and then years. That's what goes away to die.

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And so of course, women are reticent to send us to war.
Healthy women, unhealthy women are no qualms because they're
locked in genetic warfare. They want to reduce the genetic
competition. So they want us all to go off
and die of war. So it for the healthy
matriarchs, plus it's their assets and resources to get

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wiped out and destroyed and burned.
And they got to figure that out.So, you know, I, they're,
they're doing everything they can in the court systems in the
UK and here and, and elsewhere. And you know, within the
confines of the governance structures and everything that's
set up, they're making some progress.

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The enemy's adapting rapidly andthe enemy's got no problems
going to violence, as we've seenwith the 2020 riots, as we see
with some things there in South Africa.
So I'm it'll probably take another two years for the
healthy women, the healthy matriarchs to finally go, OK,
men, it's violence. Go do what you got to go do.

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OK, I think that's a great cliffhanger, EM.
How can I follow your work? Twitter's probably best X
whatever my hand, my name, Ian Burlingame
emberlingame.substack.com is another place.
I I'm serialising the novel as Rome Burns there, which goes

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into all this matriarchal stuff,but it's about nights and and
noble houses and corporations and banks and and everybody
fighting this stuff out for 800 years.
So I go into these things in fairly great detail there, but I
open an entertaining story kind of way.
Ian Birdingham, thank you for joining me in the trenches.

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Yeah, thanks for having me twice.