UK Column News - 20th August 2025

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Good afternoon. It's just gone one o'clock on Wednesday, the
twentieth of August twenty twenty five. Welcome to UK column News.
I'm your host Charles Mallett and I'm joined in the
studio today by Mike Robinson. Welcome to the program, Mike,
thank you, Charles. Good and by live link by Vanessa
Bilee from Lebanon and Sandy Adams from Somerset. Now in

(00:29):
today's program, we will be covering a great range of
topics from JD Vance's visit to the UK, including a
look into his past and how that relates to his
relationship with Peter Teel and Pallanteer. A further look at
online safety and in particular how it's being used as
a pretext for pushing to get rid of VPNs, as

(00:50):
of course was predicted by UK column. A further look
into the fallout from the Alaska meeting between Trump and
Putin and how that bears relation to what's happening in Syria.
News from Australia concerning the suggestion of financial motivation for
abortion and cybersecurity in the wake of the Bayesian disaster
of a year ago. Also an on the ground update

(01:12):
from the precarious situation in Lebanon and the ever increasing
reach of the bi security state. Now, before all of that,
we will go to Mike for his take, and indeed,
a report on the Coalition of the Willing.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Well, well, we can't really call it that because it
wasn't the whole coalition of the Willing. They're not claiming
that the Coalition of the Willing is thirty heads of state.
But nonetheless several of them headed off to the United
States on Wednesday. Starmer, the EU leaders and Celensky landed
in Washington on Wednesday to try and keep the Ukraine

(01:51):
war going, and I determined not to be left eyed.
They worked on Trump to try to get boots on
the ground otherwise known as security guarantees. Trump has apparently
not ruled out the possibility of US boots on the ground,
but the main aim is to deploy EU troops and

(02:13):
I include the UK and that as one of the
leaders of European Defense Union.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
No.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Trump said, there'll be in a lot of help when
it comes to security. It's going to be good. They
meaning Europe are first in line, first line of defense
because they're there, but we're going to help them. Also,
will be involved when it comes, he said. And as
I mentioned, he also refused three times to rule out
sending US troops to Ukraine, despite previously saying that he

(02:41):
would not put American boots on the ground. We'll let
you know that maybe later today, he said. Now, Starmer said,
when we talk about security, we're talking about security not
just in Ukraine. We're talking about the security of Europe
and the United Kingdom as well, which is why this
is such an important issue. But your indication and of
sure security guarantees, speaking to Trump of some sort of

(03:03):
Article five style guarantees, I think we could take a
really this could take a really important step forward today,
a historic step actually could come out of this meeting
in terms of security for Ukraine and security in Europe.
I will come back to that in a moment. But
asked about sorry, asked what security guarantees he needed to
agree to peace, Zelensky said, everything. It includes two parts. First,

(03:28):
a strong Ukrainian army. It's a lot about weapons and
people and training, missions and intelligence. And second, it depends
on big countries, on the United States, on a lot
of our friends. Trump suggested a permanent peace could be
negotiated without a ceasefar Mert said no to that, I
can't imagine. He said, the next meeting would take place

(03:48):
without a seas far. Let's try to put pressure on Russia,
because the credibility of these efforts depends on a seas far.
And he went on to say, the question of who
will participate in the security guarantees and to what extent,
and it is something we must of course discuss between
our European partners and with the US administration. It's absolutely

(04:09):
clear that the whole of Europe should participate. After all,
it's not just about the territory of Ukraine. It is
about Europe's political order. And that is an absolutely incredible statement, Charles,
because as you know, he is arguing for a real
EU level military deployment as being key to the development
of the EU itself. And that's exactly what we've been

(04:30):
warning about for a decade or more so. Anyway, later
yesterday evening, NATO or sorry, on Wednesday evening, NATO Secretary
General Mark Ruddis spoke to Fox News and this is
what he had This is reported by Rutters here, but
let's have a look at what he had to say.
He said, the situation is this that the US and

(04:53):
some other countries have said that they are against NATO
membership for Ukraine. The official NATO position is that there
is an irreversible path for Ukraine and NATO. But what
we're discussing here is not NATO membership. What we're discussing
here is Article five type of security guarantees for Ukraine,
and what exactly they will entail will now be more

(05:16):
specifically discussed. So clearly they are expecting that while Russia
considers nittle membership for Ukraine to be a bad or
to be a red line, sorry, that they'll somehow that
Russia will somehow capitulate on an alternative, which is tantamid
to it to nittle membership. So we'll see how that goes.
And well, because I can't possibly let this report conclude

(05:39):
without some degree of said amstochistic torture, here's a little
of what care Starmer said following the meeting.

Speaker 4 (05:48):
So back at the British Embassy. Now, after a long day,
but a good day and a productive day because both
of the outcomes that we the United Kingdom most wanted,
we've moved forward in a material way and there was
a real sense of unity between the European leaders that
we're here today and President Trump and Present Zelenski, and

(06:09):
two big outcomes, a breakthrough when it comes to security
guarantees with now the coalitional willing countries, that's the thirty
or so countries that we've been coordinating for some months
on security guarantees, now working with the US at pace
to work up those security guarantees. These guarantees will ensure

(06:30):
that if there is a piece, if there is a deal,
then we hold to it and there isn't further conflict.
So really important for Ukraine, really important for Europe, and
really important for the United Kingdom as well. That's why
it's an outcome we really wanted to achieve today. The
second is that there will now be a bilateral meeting
between President Putin and President Zelenski after a phone called

(06:55):
by President Trump during the course of this afternoon to
prison and Putin, followed by trilateral meeting with President Trump
as well. Now that's really important because it's a real
recognition of the principle that no decisions about Ukraine can
be taken without Ukraine. Ukraine must be at the table.
So whether it's territorial issues, whether it's prisoners, whether it's

(07:17):
the missing children are really important step forward there. Now,
these were both the outcomes that we planned for and
wanted from today because with that sense of unity, we're
able to make real progress.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
So hopefully that wasn't too pinless but pin full. Sorry
to apologize.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
Now.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
All of this was followed up with a virtual meeting
yesterday of the so called Coalition of the Willing that
Starmer mentioned there, and according to the READUD, the Coalition
of the Willing is planning that teams will meet with
their US kind of parts in the next few days
to quote further strength and plans to deliver robust security
guarantees and prepare for the deployment of a reassurance force

(08:00):
if the if the hostilities are ended, so apparently there
will be As Starman mentioned there, there's going to be
this bilateral Zelenski put in meeting full by a trilateral
adding Trump back into the mix with the aim of
an Article five style guarantee for Ukraine with EU Defense
Union boots on the ground, so called reassurance force. This
is all setting up a scenario for some kind of

(08:22):
incident I would argue blamed on Russia, which enables permanent
conflict perhaps Russia would be mad to accept this in
my opinion, although it has to be streadded stressed that
nothing has been said yet about Russia about what Russia
is being offered. It's going to have to be something big,
probably an offer they can't refuse, so to speak. So

(08:43):
you know, I don't know Charles what you make of it,
but you know, you notice when Starmer was speaking there
the coalition that we are coordinating. This is a British effort.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yes, absolutely, I mean I think there are so many
points to drawer to this and I'd say we won't
have time as we'll go on into into extra with this,
but I think one of the first things just finishing
on what you were saying there. In terms of reassurance,
I think it would really only be the defense industry
that takes reassurance from anything that's being proposed so far.
And it's interesting to see how the narrative has moved
on over the last few months because, of course, when

(09:16):
we were discussing this several months ago, this coincided with
the supposed deal for rare earth minerals that Donald Trump
had apparently struck with Ukraine, and that was when there
was a suggestion of a peacekeeping force, and that's of
course been pushed quietly to one side, because certainly, if
one is to follow what the United Nations sets out,

(09:36):
a peacekeeping force specifically requires the consent of all parties
to a conflict, and of course Russia had been very
clear state that they were not going to guarantee that
they would go along with any such things. I think
that's an important point. I think the other thing really
is just the that you know, you've brought a lot
of the sort of narrative points out of this, and
I've printed out a little bit of it, but it's

(10:00):
the language used is just completely suggestive of.

Speaker 4 (10:04):
War.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
I mean, you're talking about peace and then talking about
a force that can deploy in the days following the
cessation of hostilities. Of course, we've got four point five
billion pounds worth of military support going to Ukraine this year,
talking about the drone industry and all the rest of it.
And the other thing I think is radikin Chief of
Defense Staff, who should be regarded absolutely as a politician

(10:28):
and a propagandist in all of this, and to consider
that he has any other part to play, I think
is willfully naive. But he spoke last week in Washington
to the Center for Strategic and International Studies, and he
said his sort of opening gambit was to say that
we're in a new, more dangerous era, but Britain remains safe,

(10:49):
NATO is stronger, Russia is weak, and that was the
line of what he had to say. He went on
to talk about the sort of advent of conflict, and
again I think the point to be made there is
we're right back to the beginning in terms of suggesting
that we must be next, rather than listening to anything
that Putin or the Russian administration has actually said about

(11:12):
their objectives. This insistence that Kiev should have fallen because
that's what they were setting out to do, and an
actual fact, there's no substantive evidence of that point being
pursued at all. So I mean a huge amount come
out of this, but as I say, it's all pointing
towards the reconstruction and the seizing of I mean, ironically,

(11:33):
the seizing of all things Ukrainian by this supposed coalition
of the willing, to the benefit of the defense industry.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
I would say, Vanessa, before we move on to your
segment here, do you have any thoughts on that meeting.

Speaker 5 (11:50):
No, except as I'll try to demonstrate in my segment
that I don't think you can divorce whatever conversations were
ongoing even before Trump's inauguration about the Ukraine deal and
how Syria in particular was involved in those conversations and
potential concessions made by Russia to allow the toppling of

(12:16):
the Syrian government after fourteen years of resistance against a
regime change war. And so I think while we're sort
of being tunnel visioned towards only looking at Ukraine in
this instance, in my opinion, it also incorporates other deals
that are going on globally between Russia and the US.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
Okay, well, why don't we move on to the potential
other deals. I mean, what are your thoughts on this
whole exercise right from the Alaska meeting.

Speaker 5 (12:49):
Yeah, well, I mean what we've actually seen, of course,
And we have to remember timing is always incredibly important,
and the timing has been just as Israel is ramping
up its final solution against the Gazas Garzens in sorry,
the Palestinians in Gaza and in the occupied territories, and
also increasing pressure on Lubanon for the resistance to disarm.

(13:12):
So all of this is going on at the same
time as the Alaska Summit, and that if we look
at what's going on in Syria, and this is very
much why I think it's intrinsically connected to discussions over
Ukraine and concessions potentially being made by the US and Russia.
And you will remember that earlier this year on uk Column,

(13:33):
we mentioned quite a few times that Tel Aviv, Israel
has been lobbying for keeping the Russian military bases in
Syria effectively to contain Turkey, prevent Erduine's near Ottoman expansionism,
but also effectively to keep Iran or Iranian influence out
of Syria. And then leading up to the Alaska Summit,

(13:56):
it's very interesting because we then had discussions between the
Syrian al Qaeda regime, of course put in place by
the Washington Alliance, meeting with Russia, and then suddenly Russia
having access again to the south in Syria, in other words,
restoring the patrols that it used to do under the

(14:18):
SAD government to one prevent Iran or any organizations affiliated
with Iran reaching the border of the occupied Goland territory.
But also I think In this instance, what is effectively
happening is Russia is collaborating with Israel to police the
south and to allow Israel to expand towards the David

(14:41):
Corridor going up the eastern border with Jordan and Irak
in Syria. At the same time Russia is expanding since
March isn't in northeast Syria, which of course is currently
held by the British factions under the control of the
United States, but also support by Israel because the David

(15:02):
Corridor will effectively link with the Kurdish health territory in
the northeast. Israeli think tanks have also been reporting on
this quite happily without any criticism. So this is from
Almo Research and Education Center, Renewed Russian entrenchment Northeastern Syria
in Karmishli and so as I said, since March, Russia

(15:22):
has been building not only its military reinforcements in Karmishlei.
And this is a map showing exactly where Karmishlei is
and how it's dead center in the middle of the
area which is effectively controlled by the Kurds. Now, this
comes at a time that the US is reducing its
military footprint in the northeast, which effectively has the potential

(15:44):
to leave the Kurds relatively defenseless. So that could be
that Washington sees Russia as a tool for tactical stability
and to replace their role supporting the Kurds again against Turkey.
And also there has been a talk of Russia supplying

(16:05):
weapons to Jolani because Trump has effectively washed his hands
of them and has said that he's not going to
be supplying weapons in the future and that they should
go to Turkey and Russia. So in my opinion, what
we're seeing is a kind of rebalancing of Russia's role
in Syria, and if you like, a strategic move from Russia,

(16:25):
which i'll talk about now, to secure the oil and
gas hydrocarbon resources that it had control of under the
Sad government. So of course, what we've seen recently is
the so called peace talks between Azerbaijan and Armenia, the
effective occupation of the Zangazur character corridor on the border

(16:48):
with northwestern Iran by US corporate interest, which means of
course they're military contractors, which opens the door to Israel
on the border with Iran, and Turkey has effectively put
itself at the bridgehead of supplying gas from Baku via

(17:09):
killis Aleppo pipeline killers in southern Turkey with the support
of Katar. And of course the war began back in
two thousand and nine Whenasad basically refused or turned down
the Katari Turkish pipeline in favor of the Russian Iranian one.
But if we actually look at this corridor, so this

(17:30):
is going from Baku and Azerbaijan to kill us there
as you can see in southern Turkey. Now that pipeline
there is some controversy over whether it is actually now
open or not, but I want you to look at
the green line. So basically it's coming down from southern Turkey,
coming from Azerbaijan to southern Turkey, through northern Syria, down
through Jordan and then to Israel, which is the primary

(17:53):
target of course of the Baku oil. And it's been
supplied through Turkey throughout the genocide of the Palestine in
San Gaza. But also look at the corridor that goes
into Banyas and TRIPLEI and Lebanon. And that's what we've
talked about the importance of Tripoli. Why the Americans are
pushing Joe Lani to effectively annex northern Lebanon and take

(18:14):
control of Tripoli. Turkey is also competing for influence over Tripli. So,
as I've said before, what we're now seeing in the
world today is this new type of multi spectrum conflict
taking control of all economic and resource corridors, trade corridors,
military routes, and so on. And again let's have a

(18:36):
look at the Cookok Banyas pipeline. So again remember this
is going into territory that Russia has been allowed to
keep control of. So going from Kokok in Iraq, through
Syria Central Syria into Banyas controlled by Russia, preventing Turkey
from extending its control into the coastal area. And then finally,

(18:59):
I just want to have a quick look at this
map which incorporates all of it, which I think is
going to be clear. So you have on the coast
Russian influence maintained with the approval of Washington. In the south,
now they're going to extend their patrols and their military
bases which they already had under the sad government. And
then that triangulates up to Comishli in the northeast.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
So what does that do that actually.

Speaker 5 (19:24):
Traverses the two main corridors that are going to come
in from Azerbaijan through Syria to Israel and from Kirkuk
to Banyas. And remembering that the Azerbaijan corridor also has,
if you like, a mini corridor going off to Banyas
which is under the control of the Russians. So I

(19:45):
think what you're seeing right now, and particularly with the
Alaska Summit, is the maneuvering between Russia, Washington, and Israel
to enable Israeli expansion, but also to as I said,
practical stability for Washington's interests in Syria, particularly the resources,

(20:07):
but for Russia potentially to be able to protect its
interests in South Caucuses by having a foothold in the
Zangazur Corridor and in Azerboshan. Now, of course this potentially
brings it into conflict with Iran and the North South
Trade Corridor, which is part of their strategic partnership, and

(20:27):
that is potentially why Russia is now making overtures towards
Afghanistan to divert the North South Corridor through Afghanistan rather
than through Azerbaijan. So we're seeing a very different kind
of war right now, a lot of maneuvering, a lot
of very interesting alliances and potential disruptions of existing strategic partnership.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Absolutely, Vanessa, Thanks very Nasa. And of course, as you say,
control being absolutely at the heart of it. And I
hope we'll have more time to talk about that and
extra specifically regard to Iran, which of course must be
mentioned in a more full context. I think no, we
will have to move on, but again continuing on in
a way the theme of sort of control of everything,
We're going to go to Sandy. Now, who's going to

(21:13):
talk about JD Vance And did some of the relationships
that he has with a certain set of influential people.

Speaker 6 (21:20):
Yes, thanks very much, Charles. I've been looking at JD
Vance this week because obviously he took his working summer
holiday in the UK last week and his first stop
was well, his second stop was Schevening was was sorry
the matt Dean manor where he hired a house. It
wasn't him that organized it, it was s George Osbone,

(21:42):
but I'll get onto that. And so his first stop
was in Schevening House in Seven Oaks in Kent, where
he went fishing with David Lammy. Apparently they bonded quite
well on their deprived backgrounds and Christianity apparently, so the

(22:06):
logistics of this trip was organized by former Chancellor George Osborne. He,
along with David Cameron, apparently lived nearby. So it's interesting
that that Cameron sorry Osborne also organized a meeting at
Dean House, Dean Manor with shadow Ministers Robert Jenerck, Chris

(22:28):
Phil Laura Trott and Sir Paul Marshall at a drinks
party reception hosted by Vance. Now George Osborne's involvement in
Vance's trip showcases his skill at transforming old political ties
into ongoing current scenarios, and his role as holiday planner
was really more than a personal favor. It was an

(22:51):
example of how a retired politicians managed to remain in
power brokers, basically in shaping connections and narratives long after
leaving office. So the tiny village of Dean it should
was thrown into chaos with motor cocaids and police and
security staff taking over. And of course there was a

(23:14):
good deal of anti Trump protesters there and I think
we've got a slide of anti Trump protesters, so we
are they didn't like it at all, And of course
I'm sure some of them were organized, but that the
locals really did didn't really enjoy the fact that jd

(23:36):
Vance took up all the disabled bays at the local shop,
the local farm shop, and nobody could get in there.
Where he saw he had a meeting with Lord and lady.
I think it was yeah Bamford of the JCB fame anyway,
So who is jd Vance? Has he been cherry picked

(23:59):
for success? I believe he has. He wrote this book,
Hillbilly Illogy in twenty sixteen it was published, which then
became a Hollywood film. And in this book he talks
about his awful, you know, dysfunctional childhood as a hillbilly
in the Appalachian Mountains in the US, and how he

(24:20):
ever elevated himself for this from this life by joining
the Marines and then attending Yale Law School and eventually
being he was catapulted really into the political arena at
great speed. And everyone loves the rags to riches a
story hillbilly boy overcomes adversity and becomes Vice president of

(24:43):
the USA. People love all that, don't they? So is
this what he's there for? And I think it is.
So when did he form a close working relationship with
Peter Teel. Advance's connection with peace Teel began during his
post law school years after his Yale law graduation in
twenty thirteen, he briefly practiced law and then moved into

(25:06):
tech and venture capital, and from then he joined he
teamed up with obviously with Peter Teel from Palenteer, and
I think we've got a side of Palenteers. We know
it's a tech giant. You know, they are really behind
an awful lot of the rather transhumanist stuff that's going on,

(25:28):
gene editing and what have you. Now Advance, first of all,
in twenty sixteen and twenty seventeen he worked for Mythreel Capital,
which was Peter Teele's venture firm, and all the while
he continued to work on his memoir Hillbilly Elegy and
then he which was always always financed really by Teal.

(25:52):
Teal was his bank role basically, and he had a
lasting relationship with him. But he then was donated ten
million pounds by Deal to back his Senate bid in
March twenty twenty one and helped shape and fund his
political career. Now Vance had been transformed really from a

(26:17):
Trump critic to a Trump supporter. He once called Trump
and American hitler, and now he's one of his most
effective defenders and fundraisers. Teal brought Vance to this his
very first meeting with Trump at Mary Lago in February
twenty twenty one. According to The New York Times, now

(26:39):
thanks to Teal's financial and strategic support, Dvance has surged
really from being an underdog to winning the Ohio primary
in twenty twenty two. So you know, he's really had
this meteorite, you know, sort of rise to fame, and
so you know, you've got to ask yourself why he

(27:01):
fulfills a very important role. He's a brand and ambassador
for populism, giving ordinary Americans hope that they're being defended.
I think. But the policies and corporations tied to his network, talenteer,
black Rock, AI driven governance, surveillance, capitalism, they point to
the polar opposite of sovereignty. So it's really interesting the

(27:24):
way that this narrative is playing out, and it might
be a deception strategy in my view. Advance functions as
supposed to boy for populism, Catholic patriotic working class, while
behind the scenes heals companies and allies build a very globalist,
technocratic system that populists think that they're resisting. So it's

(27:47):
all very interesting. His meeting in the UK with Farage,
Generic and others under the control of David Cameron and
George Osborne, who lets face It work for black Rock
for one day a week for five hundred pounds per annum,
you know five yeah, I mean need five hundred thousand
per annum. So this is a little bit unsettling really

(28:07):
because there's this whole other thing working behind in the background.
And then there's the Catholicism. I mean, vance Can converted
to Catholicism in twenty nineteen having been an atheist to
please Heal. And there's Cosolicism in Silicon Valley, which is
really really odd. I mean it's actually apparently this is

(28:32):
from Vanity Fair, an article in Vanity Fair, which is
Christianity was borderline illegal in Silicon Valley and now it's
the new religion. So what is going on here? It's
all very odd, And Peter Teel said he's got a
quote here. One part of the Christian faith that I

(28:53):
believe more strongly than anything, is that death is evil
and we should not accept it and fight it or
any way we can now that is really a transhumanist
way of talking about religion, and it's his religion. He's
playing God. So what we're looking at really is this

(29:13):
dichotomy between the spiritual death and a physical death. So
they're buying into transhumanism and the whole thing is really
playing with our minds, messing with our minds. Now, we
have to remember that Pope Francis did launch the seventeen
sustainable Goals in twenty thirty with Obama in twenty twenty
fifteen at the Vatican, So there is a whole story

(29:35):
playing out here. So it's just interesting what's really going
on with the whole Christian Catholic narrative.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Indeed, Danny, thank you very much. Indeed, I think Petersil
they're probably taking some fairly large liberties with the Christian
scripture as other people might consider it. But nonetheless, as
you say, a series of murky relationships, and it would
be interesting to know about some of the conversations that
did have whilst he was holidaying in large and in
versity commas over here. Now, whether or not you're a

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social in the evening. So please do join us if
you can, and if you can't, as I say, the
live stream is there for you. No, we're going to
move on to well or at least cast our minds
back in fact to last year and a recap of
a set of apparently extraordinary events which did take place

(32:38):
a year ago. Now on the nineteenth of August, the
yacht belonging to Mike Lynch, the cyber Tycoon, capsized and
off the course of Sicily during a storm. Now almost
exactly the same moment, a runner with a head injury
died in hospital in Cambridgeshire. First I shown on screen.

(33:01):
This was the death of Steve Lynn Chamberlain and there
were no witnesses. He was on a regular running route.
This was deemed not suspicious and the inquest report says
Stephen Chamberlain was a highly experienced and safety conscious ultra runner,
but simply noted durn the cause of death as a
road traffic collision. Now, if you're wondering why any of
this is relevant. We'll see where we get to by

(33:22):
the end of the report, and then I think it
might make sense to you. But as stories emerged from
the capsize of the BAYSI in itself, it became clear
that Mike Lynch, the co founder of Autonomy and deed
defendant in a case brought by Hewlett Packard concerning fraud.
In that Hewlett Packard argued that Lynch and Chamberlain had

(33:43):
inflated the value of Autonomy their company in order to
sell it to Hewlett Packard. This timing, of course, is
of great significance. Also on board we had Jonathan Bloomer,
who was a witness during the protracted legal proceedings, also dead,
and indeed Chris Morvillo, who represented Lynch and Chamberlain in

(34:04):
the ongoing legal battle. Now in twenty twenty two there
was a ruling that the fraud had occurred. This involved
Lynch being extradited to the United States, being generated, and
then indeed a celebration trip on the Bayesian which we've
just shown. Now for more detail on the curious circumstances

(34:25):
of the specific cap size, I would point you towards
new lines magazine. An excellent article written earlier this year
by Floriana Balfon. Link will be in the show notes.
Now what I would say with regard to the name
of the yachts as a curiosity of course, Bayesian mathematics

(34:48):
being concerning probability in relation to the balance between previously
held data and new evidence, so sort of bizarre echoes there.
With regard to the accident itself, the Marine Accident Investigation
Board have only managed to get as far as an

(35:09):
interim report, which was published in May of this year,
very scant on detail, and the only substantive point really
is to say that the findings indicate that the extreme
wind experienced by the Bayesian was sufficient to knock the
yacht over further. Once the yacht had healed beyond an
angle of seventy degrees, the situation was irrecoverable. Now as

(35:30):
a standalone point that might be reasonable, but interesting to
note that moor very nearby was the Sir Robert Baden Parle,
which was had a whole built in the nineteen fifties
only a couple of hundred yards way, owned and skippered
by a man called Caston Borner, and it rode out
the storm by engaging its engines and turning into the wind. Now,
the Bayesian was equipped with far superior instrumentation and indeed

(35:51):
mechanical capabilities, but didn't take any such action, which again
raises a large number of questions one would imagine that
will be covered by the Marine Accident and Investigation Board. Now,
just a few weeks ago, which is what really brings
us to the relevance of all of this, is that
the High Court issued a judgment on Hewlett Packard's claim

(36:12):
against the estate of Mike Lynch. Now, the initial claim
is for three billion pounds, and mister Justice Hillyard in
summing up described the death of Lynch as being tragically
and almost unbelievably coincident with that of Chamberlain, but didn't
give any further comment. Now, the ruling is that the
Lynch estate must pay at least seven hundred million to

(36:37):
Hewlett Packard, and this is as the main financial services
and Markets claim act with the other sum's attached takes
it to over seven hundred million, which is believed to
be a sum that will bankrupt the estate of Mike Lynch. Now,
concurrent with all of this have been the activities of
dark Trace, the cybersecurity business which case was set up

(37:00):
by Lynch with the proceeds of the sale of Autonomy
via Invoke Capital, and just shown on screen here is
the former chief executive, Poppy Gustafson with Anne Keith Butler,
the current director of GCHQ, who turned down my invitation
to join our on location event in Cheltenham earlier this year.
But nonetheless very interesting to see the relationship that dark

(37:21):
Trace does have with the intelligence services. So one must
ask is it any coincidence that Gristuffson was ennobled in
the autumn and is now the Minister for Investment from
her position in the House of Lords. Now she still shares, sorry,
she still holds shares in dark Trace and has been
central to a raft of very significant investments into the

(37:44):
United Kingdom described a course by the government as being
advantageous to the United Kingdom, which I might say is
questionable at best. Now. Coincident with all of this was
the sale of dark Trace to Toma Bravo, which one
of the largest portfolios of cybersecurity businesses in the world
and its sponsors what shown on screen, which is called

(38:06):
the Cyber Consortium, and it should be of note that
since Gustufson came into government, Dark Trace has secured its
largest ever contract with that same government at two point
seven million, which might not sound like a huge amount
of money, but given the explosion of entities that are
described as being in need of autonomous cyber protection, it's

(38:26):
fair to speculate that this is likely to represent the
thin end of the wedge. And again, just to illustrate
sort of where this appears to be going, two of
the recent investments that Gustafson is said to have facilitated
are the one billion pound commitment from DP World. Now
Ben was speaking about this very thing on Monday, but

(38:48):
just to make the point that the freeport that he
was talking about is in fact owned and managed by
DP World, which of course is based in the United
Arab Emirates and has been involved in the very controversial
port of Berbera in the Horn of Africa concerning the
sovereignty of Somaliland underdeed relations with Ethiopia. So wheels within wheels,
one might say, and certainly nothing free about this free port,

(39:10):
but also five billion pound investment from Oracle again orchestrated
it would seem by Baroness Gustafsson formerly or perhaps presently
of dark trace. And I would just conclude by mentioning
that the BBC this morning talking about ninety four new
data centers, and the idea here is that whilst concerns

(39:33):
are recognized that they're going to use all the water
and all the energy that we can possibly produce, don't
worry because they're going to recycle some of the heat
and warm up all those swimming pools that haven't quite
yet been built or indeed may not have any water
to put in them. So all of these things, one
might say, do point back to some very strange circumstances
at this time last year. But the direction of travel,

(39:56):
I would say, seems fairly obvious or becoming more and
more obvious. No, that takes us into a very much
related issue, which is online safety.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
Yes, well, the Children's Commissioner, the original DESUSA, was on
BBC News Night on Wednesday evening demanding that ofcom edge
verification of the offcombage Verification regime has expanded to include
providers of virtual private networks because since the edge verification
regime came into force, the number of diynalogs of VP

(40:28):
and software is off the charts. Let's just have a
quick listen to what she had to say, if you will.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
Of course we need age verification on VPNs. It's absolutely
a loophole that needs closing, and that's one of my
major recommendations.

Speaker 7 (40:42):
And do you think the government's got the tone of
this wrong because there are some people who don't agree
with the Online Safety Bill on grounds of free speech
and giving my data to the government. Do you think
it's a mistake to call people who oppose the bill
akin to Jimmy Saville. Do you think that shouldn't they
shouldn't have said that.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
Look, I think there is not There is not one
person in this country, not one adult, who if I
said to them, should we keep children safe online? Would
would say, of course we should keep.

Speaker 7 (41:08):
Children don't bring up this s world.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
Well, I mean I think Look, I think I think
tone is everything we need to talk to at the
adults of this country like that as they are adults,
and all of us should be in agreement that we
keep children safe. The Online Safety Act is a big beast,
and there might be bits of it that people don't like,
but keeping children safe has got to be the same
of it.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
So Richald, this is representing children and clearing concern for
child safety joins the hordes of other government shills who
claim that the biggest threat to the well being of
children is the possibility that the access pornography, ignoring the
massive elephant in the room, which is adults screaming children
by posing as children on child oriented websites. As I

(41:54):
highlighted a week ago when I reported that the US
BEAST National Center if you, of course sorry, US based
National Center for Missing and Exploded Children published their littust
getting this mixed up today, I apologize. Cyber Tipline report
showing that last year they received five hundred and forty

(42:15):
six thousand reports from tech firms of adults across the
world soliciting children, and that they said was one hundred
and ninety two percent increase from twenty twenty three. Now
run nine six hundred of these reports came from the
UK in the first six months of twenty twenty four,
with Snapchat reporting far more concerning material than any other
platform in that period. So look, this is the tip

(42:37):
of the iceberg, since these are only incidents, as we
mentioned last week, reported by the platforms themselves. But you
got a quick sight of what the BBC was saying here,
So the BBC of course wanting to maintain that the
focus is on pornography. So you know, VPN's most downloaded

(42:58):
apps and apples app store in the UK, after sites
such as porn Hub requiring age verification. You know, we've
got to keep this massively in the forefront of everybody's
mind so that anybody that criticizes is tantamount to Jimmy Savill.
And the other thing to say here is of course
that you know, the fact is that people are not

(43:18):
objecting to this on the basis of children not getting
access to pornography. They're objecting to it because of the
massive totalitarian overreach by the Starmer regime. But we have
to keep in mind, of course that this was Tory
legislation in the first place, although it was supported by
Starmer's Labor Party all the way through. This is a

(43:39):
Unit Party issue and they're just very briefly just to
make the point that the petition's now around five hundred
and twenty seven thousand. This issue is something that I
think people need to get organized around and see this
up to two million at the least. I think that's
what we need to be doing for Charles.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
I would absolutely agree, yes, indeed, and I think we well,
we would hope that you as the audience and concerned
about the future of not just UK column, but of
course any organization putting content out has its future preserve,
so please do spread the word on that now very much.
The other side of the same coin is the issue

(44:18):
of cyber security and indeed how that gets explained in
a narrative context. And we've got the National Cyber Security
Center subset of GUCHQ being pushed out of the shadows
in order to remind us how dangerous the cybersphere really is.
And as I say, this is sort of wrapped up
with online safety, but a sort of a branch off it.

(44:41):
But we're constantly being reminded, both on an individual and
a corporate basis, what it is we need to do
about it. Now. This is reinforced by a recent announcement
announcement first of all here from America's cyber defense industry.
This was just a couple of weeks ago, end of
July about what's been called Scattered Spider. Now the Joint

(45:02):
Cyber Security Advisory has indeed taken this on so you
can see well at least if you can't see this
represented by various cybersecurity organizations across the Commonwealth, cross the
world who are effectively joining up the same narrative in
which they're suggesting that they've identified or at least this

(45:23):
scattered spider organization, have identified new techniques, tactics, and procedures
associated with this cyber criminal group. And in addition, they're
using more sophisticated social engineering techniques, and the advisory describes
there's malware and ransomware variants which are being used to
great effect. Now, essentially, this is the sort of thing

(45:43):
that befell Marks and spent early in the year, and
indeed we're constantly told that we need to find a
solution for it. So of course these sorts of announcements
and pr exercises look very much more like marketing exercises
for the AI and cybersecurity industries rather than anything else. Now,
I've spoken about dark Trace just a few minutes ago.

(46:04):
Dark Trace, which of course purports to learn you through
surveiling every single part of your digital signature in order
to predict what's happening or what's going to happen next,
Which relates back to the sort of Bayesian strand of mathematics.
But interestingly, dark Trace have themselves commented on this scattered

(46:25):
spider effect, difficult as it has been to describe because
nobody seems to be quite sure who they are, except
that they might be British, they might be American, and
they're probably very young. But dark Trace had said in
their failings to deal with this, which of course is
supposed to be autonomous and shouldn't be shouldn't need to
be told what to do, but it was not in

(46:46):
autonomous response mode at the time, unfortunately, so the attack
was able to proceed without interruption, they say, And indeed
they went on to suggest that with dark TRACE's self
learning AI, normally based detection and autonomous response in hiberda,
businesses can halt malicious activities in real time. Now I
think you get the picture. But what this points towards,

(47:08):
and this of course is only speculation, But since it's
widely known, of course that cybersecurity, the cybersecurity industry does
indeed pay people to test platforms and indeed hack in
what's described as a sort of benevolent sense, one can
only wonder whether these sorts of interferences from organizations like
scattered spider are indeed in some way connected to the

(47:30):
industry itself, which seems to benefit enormously from the outcomes.
Now we're going to go back to Vanessa, who of
course been speaking a little bit about Lebanon in the
last report. But Vanessa, a further update specifically on the
situation in Lebanon from you.

Speaker 5 (47:51):
Yeah, obviously, just an update on what's going on. The
agenda is to effectively weaken Lebanon generally, not only to
disarm them resistance, but also to cause division and fractures
within the Lebanese army itself, reduce it down to nothing
more than a national security or police force rather than

(48:13):
a force that can actually defund Lebanon against Israeli expansionism
of course, and so one of the first tactics that
they used, and I think this is very interesting. This
is the crossover between what is happening in the worst
and what's happening in the West Asia region generally, is
that first of all, Lebanese banks, most of which are
franchises of European and foreign banks, have been banned from

(48:37):
dealing with Hosbola's financial networks. Now, we've talked before about
the independence of the Hasbala banking systems that are available
to all Lebanese, not only to members of the resistance communities,
and that are based upon interest free loans basically, and
then of course there's been taught. Very recently, the Drum

(49:00):
administration has been talking, particularly Marcar Rubio about ending the
UN peacekeeping in Lebanon, Europe pushing back. I think this
is more to do with Trump basically trying to foist
the funding of UNIFIL in Lebanon onto particularly Front and Italy,
and to disentangle the US from having to shell out

(49:21):
any funding for them, because in fact, when Tom Barrick,
the Trump envoy to the region and his very close
business associate, was in Lebanon, he's pushing for Chapter seven
to be imposed on southern Lebanon using UNIFIL effectively, if
we have a look at what it actually says in
the article using UNIFIL as an occupational force on behalf

(49:46):
of Israel. So the renewal decision for UNIFIL will carry
an escalatory and highly trade judged tone, basically under Chapter
seven of the UN Charta, which allows it to by
force the resistance by conducting raids, arresting citizens and setting
up checkpoints. Of course, until now UNIFIL has only been

(50:08):
able to operate in collaboration with the Lebanese army, and
so what they're effectively saying is they will restore the
funding to UNIFIL for one year and they will increase
uniform rights to intervene on behalf of the state, in
other words, on behalf of Israel and Washington in southern Lebanon.

(50:29):
And then almost immediately after the meeting of the two envoys,
including Morgan morgano or Targis who came with Tom Barrick,
he went immediately to Tel Aviv allegedly to put Israel
under pressure to withdraw from the five points that it's
still occupying in the south. But of course, even during

(50:50):
these meetings, Israel continued to bomb southern Lebanon and to
assassinate what they claim are resistance members, but in fact,
in many cases are nothing more than the civilians and
citizens living in the South or trying to repair or
reconstruct property that was destroyed by the last war that
ended in November twenty twenty four. Saudi Arabia of course

(51:14):
is coming in on behalf of Israel and Washington Washington
to put its own pressure on the resistance factions, saying
that basically there will be no investment in Lubanon from
the Gulf States without Hesbola's disarmament, so they're withholding investment,
withholding reconstruction funds. And at the same time, of course,

(51:35):
what we've seen and what we've been talking about, is
a build up on the eastern border and the northern
borders from Jolani's Al Qaeda, tech Fiori elements, particularly the
Chechen Wiga and other foreign groups on the northeastern borders
in the vicinity of Homel City, and there have been

(51:55):
sporadic incursions into Lebanese territory for some time now, since
about March of this year, but what we've seen in
the last few days is a definite build up of
heavy artillery, tanks and machinery to the area in Syria
that is close to the border with Homel. So what
they're obviously angling for is to put pressure on the

(52:17):
Lebanese government with the threat of a very invasion and
an increase in Israeli incursions into southern Lebanon, to enforce
the disarmament of the resistance.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
Nice and thank you very much. Any comment on that.
Now great for extra right. Okay, No, just when you
think you've heard it all, a report comes out of
Australia suggesting that it might be possible to make money
out of having an abortion. Sandy, what have you got
for us on this?

Speaker 6 (52:50):
Yeah, I mean it's quite concerning really. Revelations have surfaced
that the Australian government is paying a baby bonus of
more than four two hundred to women who choose late
term abortion to end the life of their healthy, unborn child.
This was first reported by Pro Life Act advocate Joanna
Howe and later covered by The Daily Declarations, who found

(53:16):
that these disturbing welfare payments were thanks to a loophole
in the government's Center Link definition of a stillborn baby. Now,
stillborn babies don't have rights because they have never taken
a breath, And if a baby has never taken a breath,
it's not deemed human. So this is the way they're

(53:37):
doing it. Even worse, the payments of over twenty pounds
are available to mothers who opt instead for parental leave
pay on the premise that their aborted baby was stillborn. Now,
this is very good, you know, this is a good thing.
If a woman has genuinely had a still birth, you know,
and needs parental leaf for up to a year or

(54:00):
maybe eighteen months afterwards because of her drama. But this
is different.

Speaker 5 (54:04):
This is they're.

Speaker 6 (54:06):
Incentivizing women to actually have an injection to kill their
babies first before the stillbirth. So I mean, with the
exception of a single article in the Advertiser last year,
the mainstream press is refusing to touch this story in Australia,
a curious silence given the overwhelming public interest in the scandal.

(54:26):
An x thread has almost reached one million views and
the loan article was authored by a courageous journalist, a
lady called Catherine Bingham Birmingham. Sorry. Unsurprisingly, you know, there's
detractors who've rushed to dismiss the revelations as fake news. However,
doctor Howe's evidence is compelling. There are four reasons to

(54:49):
believe her claims and you know are real. And it's
all about the you know, center Link's definition of stillbirth,
you know, to be eligible for our payments, it says,
you know, oh sorry, I think it's the next slide.
You know, to be eligible for our payments, a stillbirth
needs to meet our definition a stillborn baby is one

(55:10):
who's not breathed since delivery and has had no heartbeat
after birth. To be considered stillborn, a baby also has
to have a gestation period of at least twenty weeks,
so this is encouraging late term abortions, and weighs at
least four hundred grams at their birth, so you know,

(55:31):
this is all of this meets their criteria basically for
these payments, and doctor How's key concentration is that Services
Australia has to carve out to say that the stillbirth
has to be natural as opposed to intentional, and all
that's required is a letter from the hospital confirming that

(55:52):
the baby was delivered stillborn, so there's no there's no
scrutiny here at all, even from the hospital and the
doctors and midwives at the hospital. The medical eligility eligibility
component of stillbirth is determined, declarate and declared by a

(56:12):
medical professional, the spokesman said. But Services Australia does not
receive any detail on the nature of this determination, so
there's there's definitely something going on here. And in twenty thirteen,
a Catholic pro life advocate, Bernard Gainer, published a disturbing
medical form by a family that was hurt by abortion,

(56:37):
and that's been withdrawn and I'll flag that up later,
but certainly you know they've got forms here if we
can flag this one up, have you registered? You know
it's free to register a child's birth. You know you
cannot be paid parental leave pay and be paid by
newborn supplement with your family benefit. So it's all the PaperWorks,

(56:59):
so you just have to fill in a form. It's
all very very blase a to be honest. And yeah,
there was this this form which a medical form which
this pro life advocate Bernard Gainer, flagged up and it
was issued by the South Australian Department of Health and

(57:20):
it was a yellow A four document provided detailed instructions
for post abortive women on how to apply for the
stillborn Baby Payment then known as the bereavement payment or
paid parental leave by registering their their abortions as a steelbirth.
Now that form was withdrawn twelve years ago and instead
it appears now to have gone underground. So it's it's

(57:44):
all very very concerning. The The Dr Howe said that
she was contacted by midwives who are traumatized and shopped
by the rise in late term abortions of healthy babies.
She filed staff for being effectively forced to sign off
center links forms so women can claim payments for process,

(58:06):
leading to a double level of trauma and one one
one midwife was was really traumatized because the mother stated
she would use her aborted baby bonus to fund a
holiday to Balley. I mean, this is absolutely unbelievable. So
a late term abortion in Australia is most often performed

(58:27):
by injecting the baby's heart with potassium chloride or de jockson,
followed by the induction of labor and the delivery of
the dead infant. Now, the other thing is that there's
no provision for a funeral. If you want one, you
can have one. But if you if you're willingly taking

(58:49):
your baby's life, you're not going to want that. So
I think the midwives are a trauma, traumatized further by
the fact that the baby then goes into waste, which
is not it's not good, and we know that there
is an issue there with harvesting. So going to I'm
going to show you an animation video which you may

(59:10):
find distressing. Please turn it off if you don't want
to watch it. It's an animation and it shows you
exactly how this is playing out. Thank you.

Speaker 8 (59:21):
So you might be wondering, how is the stillborn parenting
payment available for a late term abortion? Here, I need
to do just a quick recap of the method for
a late term abortion and I'll pull up the policy
from a new South Wales hospital and it's the same
process everywhere. So what occurs is the mother goes into
the hospital. She goes under general anesthetic, but an abortionist

(59:44):
will inject the baby's heart in utero with poison, so
it's either the digoxinopotasium chloride. The baby then goes into
cardiac arrest and dies in utero, so they die in
the mother's womb. Now they have to get that baby
out some way, and the way they do it is
they induce labor in the mother, so she pills that
lie to her body and make her think that she's
going into labor early. She then delivers that baby vaginally,

(01:00:07):
but she's not delivering a live baby. She's delivering a
stillborn child. So it's a forced birth of a stillborn baby. Now,
because that baby is stillborn, this is what then makes
her eligible.

Speaker 6 (01:00:21):
I mean, it's shocking, really. I mean, we've got genocide
by war and genocide everywhere, and you know, we've just
relaxed the laws in the UK for full term abortions
and let's hope we don't go down the same route
as South Australia.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
Shocking. It absolutely is, Sundy, But nonetheless, thank you very
much for looking into that. Now, on the subject of
controversial medical procedures, Vanessa, you have onearthed something in Lebanon.

Speaker 5 (01:00:52):
Yeah, I mean I was basically having a conversation with
someone the other night who did take I think at
least the first vaccine and then didn't take the booster.
But they were laughingly telling me that there are some
advantages to the corruption that exists in Lebanon because in reality,
the fires of vaccine and this is translated from an

(01:01:14):
article in Arabic that they sent me to prove that
what they were saying is true, the fires of vaccine
in particular was replaced by Lebanese hospitals and doctors with
a mixture with a saline mixture. Basically, so the people
that thought they were getting the fires of vaccine in
Lebanon didn't actually get the vaccine and therefore haven't suffered

(01:01:35):
any of the adverse effects that people are in other
countries that did take the real fires of vaccine suffered from.
So you know, there are some advantages to living here.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
I guess indeed a good news story, but not for Pfizer,
Thank you very much, Vanessa. Now on a related theme, indeed, bisecurity,
I spoke last week about blue tongue and the continued
push for vaccine nation, particularly with regard to sales along
the English Wealth border and access to markets. It means
that there is a huge push for vaccinational Their report

(01:02:08):
suggests that only one percent of sheep and five percent
of cattle in Wales have actually been vaccinated, so there
seems to be some resistance for a number of reasons.
But of course, alongside this is really the inference that
there will be a regime of complete testing, tracking, injecting
and surveillance under this heading of security, and indeed the

(01:02:28):
inference that this is all part of a convenient and
safe approach. Now birdflow again never far from the headlines,
and indeed the vigilance and biosecurity we are reminded of regularly,
this time by APHA today, and this is set to continue,

(01:02:49):
of course, but This is set alongside an announcement from
the government on Monday about the deal between the UK
and the EU on sanitary and fighter Sanitary dealings actually
to establish a UK EU zone which will cut costs
and red tape for businesses that export and import from
the EU, reducing delays at the border and making food

(01:03:10):
trade with the UK's biggest market cheaper and easier. So
this is really to do away with order checks. Now,
the significant point to draw out of here, given the
incredible focus on by security, is to say that that
these checks on border crossings will not be required as
their implementation is quote disproportionate. So as with all these things,

(01:03:35):
bisecurity matters until it's considered disproportionate or there's another factor
which trumps it. Yeah, so how about that. Now we
have a different note upon which to finish. We've spoken
a lot about the way in which Palestine action has
been treated over the last few months, of course, resulting

(01:03:56):
in their recent proscription, but we will now take a
look at how plaster scene action has been dealt with.
This video will be running in the background. It has
no sound to it, but actually no sound is necessary
because what this shows and I will invite Mike to

(01:04:17):
comment in a second is the way in which the
terrorism law is first of all, absolutely wide open in
order that it can capture anybody. So here the article
being dealt with is section thirteen of Terrorism Act two thousand,
which says a person in a public place commits an
offense if he wears an item of clothing or carries

(01:04:37):
an article in such a way or in such circumstances
as to arouse reasonable suspicion that he is a member
or a supporter of a prescribed organization. Now this chap
is clearly wearing a plaster Scene Action T shirt which
concerns AI generated images, so there's absolutely no overt reference

(01:05:00):
to anything other than past to see action. And I
think the important point to draw out of this is
first of all, that the public will not be cowed
into sumbition into not taking actions like these. I think
we can all guess in a way what one is
perhaps supposed to consider, but also that the authorities they're
supposed to deal with this have absolutely no idea what
to do when confronted with it. And this absolutely nullifies

(01:05:23):
in a way the role of the police in this
kind of circumstance because they can't even decide, and this
is exactly where the independence of a constable should come
into play, but it doesn't right right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
Indeed, you know, they're supposed to make up their own
minds about these things, and they're increasingly unable to do
that without getting a yes or a no from the authorities.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
They are, and I think ridiculous as it seems, and
of course it does drive to the heart of a
very very serious point. I think we should take this
as a positive in that the system is in effect
being thwarted, and indeed there is considerable pushback concerning Palestine action,
of course, and just.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
To finish, Patrick will have some really spectacular news on
this on Friday's program as well, so keep an eye
out for that excellent yes.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
Now, that brings us to the close of the program,
So Mike, thank you very much for joining me in
the studio. Thanks to Vanessa and to Sandy. Thank you
for tuning in, of course, and don't forget we've got
Germ going out this evening speaking to Celia Farber and
the discussion between Brian and Jemma going out at one
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please consider it Otherwise we will look forward to seeing
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