UK Column News - 8th August 2025 - UK Column Radio

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Good afternoon. It's just gone 1:00 on Friday
the 8th of August 2025. Welcome to UK column News.
I'm your host, Charles Mallett, and I have with me in the studio
today, Patrick Henningson. Welcome to the program, Patrick.
Great to be with you, Charles. Good stuff.
And we're going to be joined, I'm pleased to say by Kip
Clarenberg of The Grey Zone, whois in Belgrade, Serbia at the
moment. And we will also have a another

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contribution from Will Coleshillwith one of his Willsy reports.
Now in the programme today we'regoing to be looking at threat
analysis by Dutch intelligence, particularly pertaining to
Israel. Also how the crossing of small
boats is being weaponized on allsides of the political debate,
as well as a look back at the events as they unfolded in the

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former Yugoslavia 30 years ago. We'll be covering the sabotage
in the Baltic and the intelligence picture as it's
seen by Russia, as well as the continuing battle or indeed
interaction between artificial intelligence and free speech.
And then on to Presidents Trump and Putin.
Will they meet or won't they? And then a look at the battle

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lines being drawn in space. As I say, there'll be Willsie
reporting from a recent event showcasing what's going on in
young and inquiring minds. And then a piece on the
continued plundering of the natural landscape and denial of
access to it. But first, because it is a story
that we've covered a lot over the last few weeks, a story that

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relates to the prescription of Palestine action, the group now
deemed to be a terrorist entity.And the Crime Prosecution
Service have announced charges under section section 13 of the
Terrorism Act 2000 of individuals from the 5th of
July, the very day the Palestineaction was prescribed for quote

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showing support for prescribed terrorist organization.
Palestine Action. Now, Section 13, as we would
have referenced before, concernswearing of clothing and the
display of articles. And the use of language here is
undoubtedly designed to be enormously subjective.
So this is from the legislation itself, and this is the wearing
of clothing or using articles insuch a way or in such

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circumstances as to arouse reasonable suspicion that he is
a member or supporter of a prescribed organization.
So you can see where that can go.
Now for contrast and indeed to maintain distance from the case
as warned to do so by the CPS themselves, we're going to you
look at a tweet by Alastair Campbell from his Rest is

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Politics talk show. And this deals with Section 12,
which of course is relevant to other means of support to a
prescribed organization. But the tweet here is shows a
picture of the president, now president of Syria, a known
terrorist, in his capacity as head of HTS, a subset of Al

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Qaeda, but very clearly being supported by Alastair Campbell
and Rory Stewart. I wrote to counterterrorism
police about this very issue andreceived no reply.
So just just to point out the specifics on Section 12, which
says that a person commits an offence if he arranges, manages
or assists in arranging or managing a meeting which he
knows is to support a prescribedorganization, to further the

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activities of a prescribed organization or to be addressed
by a person who belongs to or professors to belong to a
prescribed organization. Clearly no action taken.
That when it comes to three people apparently supporting
Palestine action via the wearingof clothing, a completely
different matter. I don't think anybody listening
or watching will be enormously surprised by that, but it is

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nonetheless something that's very important to keep track of.
So that's what we're going to start programme and.
I think, I think providing public relations support for the
the former deputy head of ISIS probably should fall under that.
One would think, say arbitrarily, indeed say yes
exactly. But I'll now hand over to
Patrick for the next update. And as I say, concerning the

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Dutch intelligence. Sure, this is this is an
interesting story and we're going to be welcoming Kate
Klaren Berg in a moment to talk about it.
But just going on to the situation at hand, the national
coordinator for Security and counterterrorism in in the
Netherlands in Amsterdam here isunder the Ministry of Justice
and security. Look at what's happened here.

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Israel has been declared a quote, terror threat.
Pretty unbelievable. And I want to point people to
this article here. I'm somewhat surprised to see
this, but there's seems to be a slow moving trend around Europe
and little baby steps in terms of putting and isolating Israel
into a corner. Dutch intelligence flags Israel

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as a, quote, state threat. Kit Klareberg, this is up at
Global Delinquents. This is Kit's Substack
publication here. Go up to Substack, just type in
Kit Klarenberg or Global Delinquents and it'll bring you
right to his archive here. Pretty unbelievable when I bring
on to the program right now. Kit Klarenberg is also editor of
The Gray Zone UK. He's also published in a number

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of excellent publications like Mint Press news and others.
Kit, welcome to the program, Kit.
Explain to us how this came about.
I find this to be extraordinary,especially considering the
really strident and aggressive rhetoric by European leaders in
support of Israel since October 7th, 2023.

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Explain to us what's happening, Kit.
Well, I mean, it's a pretty extraordinary development, but I
mean NCTV, which is Amsterdam's counter terror intelligence
agency, every single year it publishes an assessment of quote
UN quote state threats to the Netherlands.
And it has named Israel as as a threat to the Netherlands for

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the very first time. And this comes at a time when
the Amsterdam is also leading the charge within the EU against
Israel, calling for a reappraisal of the EU's
relationship with Israel, calling for the end of trade
with with Israel, among other measures.

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It must be stated that the Netherlands has historically
been very pro Israeli and has served as a key nucleus for
Israeli lobbying within Europe and beyond.
The Netherlands is home to a number of very powerful EUUN
organisations and therefore has been a kind of jumping off,

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jumping off point for the Zionist entity for a very long
time. And it's lobbying work.
So this is a pretty, yeah, as I say, a pretty extraordinary
development. We're going to bring one of
those shady organizations here. I'll bring this up on screen,
the NGO monitor adorned with EU flags.
But on closer inspection, just going to the contact page, this

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is actually based in Jerusalem, in Israel.
This is one of those instrumentsyou're referring to, Kit, based
in Israel, but very active and organizing activities against
Palestinian support in countrieslike the Netherlands, which you
pointed out in your article. Go ahead, KIT.
Yeah, sure. So it's like, I mean, I mean, as

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I mentioned that because the Netherlands is home to all of
these powerful international institutions, including, of
course, the International Criminal Court and the
International Court of Justice, ensuring that there is a
friendly environment locally in political terms is of utmost
importance to Tel Aviv. And for many, many, many years,

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they have systematically sought to neutralize any trace of
Palestine solidarity in the country.
And this has extended to cyber attacks on prominent Palestine
solidarity activists and, you know, physical threats and all
manner of skullduggery. But, but, but most prominently,

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smear campaigns. You know, you mentioned NGO
monitor, NGO Monitor and, and the Dutch government has
acknowledged this. It routinely smears anyone or
anything that is remotely critical of Israel, including
Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch, which are of
course, you know, mainstream darlings that can't really be
depended upon for an accurate oran accurate view of human rights

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in the world. The slightest criticism of
Israel, these people and organisations get smeared as
anti-Semitic and in bed with Hamas and this has been a very,
very successful, devastating, successful strategy that has
been deployed. Over and over and.
Over again over the years it hasled to organisations having to

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shut down. It has it has NGO monitors
successfully lobbied the Dutch government to cut funding for
Palestinian organisations. It's so yeah, the the the the
the current kind of vault fast, for want of a better word on
Amsterdam's part is it is unprecedented.
And I do think that it could lead to a wider unravelling of

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the Zionist lobby's influence throughout Europe because
increasingly governments are waking up to the fact that yes,
the the Israeli lobby is a deeply mephitic influence on
politics and society. The report in question from
NCTV, it hones in on on what I would consider AI mean.

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It was shocking, but it was a relatively minor chapter in the
the Dutch Israeli lobbies litanyof shame actually, where in late
2024 there were riots in Amsterdam by Israeli football

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hooligans. The the Tel Aviv moved very
quickly to try and shape media and political narratives around
what happened to try and frame it as a kind of a pot, a kind of
Nazi style pogrom. When in reality a bunch of
thuggish far right Israeli football club ultras turned up

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in Amsterdam specifically to to cause trouble.
They tore down Palestinian flags.
They attacked Muslim residents of the city, of which there are
great many, including women, andthey chanted absolutely
repulsive, racist, anti Arab, anti Muslim slogans and cheered
on the IDF. But I mean, yes, in, in the in,

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in the scheme of things, this isrelatively minor.
But the NCTV has finally acknowledged that this is, like,
deeply problematic because, yes,there were a wide variety of
political and media figures who ignored the fact that the
Israelis had specifically come to make trouble and framed what

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happened as this completely unprovoked attack on Jews
because they were Jews, you know, the mayor of Amsterdam.
Yes. But it's like likened what
happened to like to Crystal Night and Nazi and you know,
Nazi pogroms in general. It it, it, it was quite
extraordinary. And the root cause of this was

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the Israeli government circulating extremely dodgy
dossiers to MPs and journalists freight with a very specific
framing of what happened. Indeed.
And also just to add to what Kitwas saying about the trend real
quickly here, Netherlands notifies Israel to call to
suspend a trade agreement, a trade association agreement.

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So that's part of that European trend, Charles.
So things are gradually moving, but thank you Kit for that.
Absolutely. Report.
Yeah. Thanks, Patrick.
And just sticking with the themebrought out there of sort of
whipping up tensions, this is absolutely something that's been
going on over on this side of the channel with both the Prime
Minister and the home secretary talking tough one might say, on

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what they're describing as smuggling gangs, suggesting that
that that they are indeed takingaction, that people are being
detained and and all the rest ofit.
Of course, a year ago this was very much political and social
flashpoint as it's becoming thissummer.
And the the main point here is that they're shifting focus from
the policy of migration and concentrating on a very, very

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small detail which they're describing as these smuggling
gangs, rather than focusing on the area of concern in the
country which causes the migrants themselves and indeed
where they're going and where they've come from.
But the intent here to stoke fear and division.
But we'll just listen to what the Home Secretary had to say on
the matter, and please listen with a questioning ear and think

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whether or not you do endorse exactly what it is that she's
saying. Well, the pilot has now begun
and the first migrants who arrived on small boat are now in
detention. That is the first step to
removing them to France because no one should be making this

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journey in the 1st place and that's why this is now starting
the process to return people andto undermine this vile trade in
people. No, it's very obviously a
political football and it's beenkicked all over the park.
And I think the other point to make here is that across the
political spectrum, it's very, very obvious that the drive here

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is towards digital identity. That is the proposed solution to
this particular problem, and it's just going to be sold in a
number of different ways. Patrick, you've got a bit more
on this and how it's being imported.
It's also about cultivating electoral support for the next
administration. Here, Nigel Farage accused of
fanning the flames by his nemesis in the mirror here.

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We'll bring this up on screen for a moment.
Nigel Farage fanning the flames of hatred.
Dangerous claims of a cover up. So another sort of Stockport
style cover up accusation here. Labor MP from Dover and Deal
Mike Tapp basically calling him a fake patriot, exploiting
divisions of hate for his own political gain.

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And this is what Nigel Farrah said on Monday.
And again, talk about fanning the flames.
I mean, this one just keeps going.
What caused unrest in our streets after Stockport last
year was us not being told by the police that the the status
of the attacker in Stockport. That led to crazy conspiracy
theories spreading online. So he's basically saying that

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it's really not the mob's fault for rioting and it's not our
fault for egging on the mob. It's the fault of the police for
not disclosing the ethnicity andthe religion of the assailant.
So they're trying to rewrite therules of criminal justice to
basically say give sucker to an angry mob.
And Douglas Murray made the sameexact argument at the time to

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justify his egging on of the mob, as did Tommy Robinson.
So we've seen this pattern. Developing, absolutely playing
out exactly like it did last year and just qualified that is
Southport, not not Stockport. Stockport, yes.
But OK, now what we're going to do is take advantage of having
Kit on the program. And indeed, as I mentioned at
the opening, the events in Yugoslavia 30 years ago were

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very much dominating the headlines.
And Patrick, you're going to give us more on that.
Well, yes, and we're looking at we'll bring this up on screen
here. Yugoslavian war, obviously
people should understand that's 1991 or sorry to 1999.
Sorry, typographic error there. But just to reiterate what the
map looked like at the time, thebreakup of Yugoslavia here and

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they're talking in the news about the 30 years since
Croatia's, quote, war of independence.
This is German state media, of course, but other outlets in
Europe are saying something different. 30 years on,
Operation Storm still divides the Balkans.
And here I want to direct peopleto Kit Clarenberg's piece here
at the Gray zone. US backed ethnic cleansing of

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Serbs, top diplomats secretly, he told Croat leader.
Let's bring Kit Klarenberg back onto the stage to talk about
this Kit. Interesting development here.
New documents, new information or information that hasn't been
looked at but maybe was there. Explain to us what's behind this
story. Mute Mike.

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So, yeah, sure. So August 4th marked the 30th
operation at the 30th anniversary, sorry, of Operation
Storm, which is, I mean, very few people in the West know
about. I'm, I'm quite surprised that
there's been any critical media coverage of this whatsoever in
the mainstream. But as you just demonstrated,
but yeah, but it's little known outside the former Yugoslavia,

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but it was AUS planned military strike which removed the
entirety of Croatian Serbian population, which is like, you
know, 300,000 people. Many were forced to flee on
foot. The elderly infirm who who
couldn't run away basically justgot killed and all of their

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property was either burned to the ground or stolen by Croatian
forces. And yeah, it was the product of
the US backing neo neo Nazi forces and using them as quote
UN quote junkyard dogs to break up Yugoslavia.
Does this sound familiar at all?You know, to what's currently

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happening what the the Western powers planned to happen in
Donbass but hasn't really workedout since February 2022?
If not, you know February 2014 when the Ukrainian government
was overthrown by a CIANED MI6 coup.

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Yes, yeah. Well the blitzkrieg that was
planned that Russia intervened to prevent in February 25th,
2022, of course that's totally denied by the West.
But Malden, Albright and the entire US foreign policy
apparatus was very anti Serb. So they're denying Anakba
effectively of the Serbian population in Croatia.

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That's effectively what what happened there.
And it's interesting we'll bringup on screen here.
This is Richard. Let me see, we'll bring this up.
The diplomat from the United States, Richard Holbrooke, who
was a leading U.S. diplomat at the time, admits.
We said publicly that we were concerned, but privately you
knew what we wanted. And he's talking here too.
I believe he's had a conversation with Tujarman, I

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believe was the leader in in Croatia at the time.
So it's it's admitted Kit. The United States backed an
actual program in Europe not so long ago, 30 years ago.
Yeah, well, I mean, it's it, it,it, it again, it's quite
remarkable because, you know, Fran Franio Tujman was elected

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on an explicit platform of, of effectively.
Yeah, removing Croatia's entire Serb population, which was, you
know, Yeah, like hundreds of thousands of people on the
campaign trail. He openly venerated the Astasha,
which was this kind of Nazi puppet state created in war in
World War 2. By what?
During the Axis invasion of Yugoslavia, they ruled with a

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brutality that shocked the Nazisthemselves.
They would do things like to kill children by picking them up
by the legs and smashing their heads into walls they had
dedicated camps for. Slaughtering women and children
and yeah, the Tujman suggested that the the the Astasha were a
reflection of Croatia's desire for freedom and independence and

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appointed several former Astashaexiles to his government.
Of course, this inspired instilled fear in Croatia's non
non Croat population. And yes, the operation storm
represented the culmination of aplan that was laid well in
advance and the US not only was well aware of, but green lip.

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And yeah, it is celebrated todayas Victory Day in in Croatia.
And, you know, you can see largecrowds of people walking often,
you know, doing the Nazi salute as they do so in cities like
Zagreb and Split. So, yeah, the, the, the
parallels with the current conflict in Ukraine couldn't

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really be clearer except that, you know, now the US is losing
which and could well be on on onthe verge of just total
capitulation and leaving Ukraineto its own devices to be
overrun, run by Russia. There have been reports that
Putin and Trump are scheduled tospeak next week.
We shall see if anything comes of that.

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But yeah, the US negotiating position is certainly not very
strong. And the US empire isn't what it
once was, you know, in the mid 90s.
Yeah, I think thank you, Kit. It's a very important story.
It's also important to put this important historical event into
context. So much of what's happened in
Europe and the Balkans and now Ukraine, it's the West and

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Britain and some of the EuropeanNATO members always exploiting
all of these tensions that aroseduring the early part in the
middle of the 20th century and still trying to get mileage out
of these divisions that were created from past wars.
And it seems like they're comingto the end of this playbook.
And so hopefully that's the case.
Yeah. It's really important and and
with such a sort of constant battering from the the ever

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evolving news cycle, people are so quick to forget.
And I think that this is exactlyright to to make sure that
people don't forget what's happened and do have an accurate
version of events. So thanks very much for that.
And that that article's at the grey zone.
Yes, it is and there'll be linked.
Sorry, all all of this that's been referred to will be
LinkedIn the show notes. So do go there and on that
subject, delighted as we are to have you watching the news

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programme, I wonder how much useyou're making of the UK column
website. And it really should be
considered as a primary source for research.
The search bar shown there at the top and there is a wealth of
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and becoming part of the family.Now, a very good interview went
out yesterday with Escape Keep Ben Ben Rubin talking the title
of interview there, Reverse Engineering the Architecture of
Totalitarian Control. And if that sounds like a bit of
a mouthful, essentially it's breaking down all the various
things that people are seeing around them now and
understanding where it's coming from.

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So a really important interview to get into that.
Now tonight we have the next installment of the banter
session, Germ Warfare, which is Mike Robinson and me talking to
Germ, so please do enjoy that this evening.
Then, as spoken about before, we've got the Hope Freedom Music
Festival over the August Bank holiday weekend.

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And if you have not yet got a ticket, then you're in luck
because with the discount code UKC 2 zero, you can get 20% off.
So please do consider doing that.
And we've actually got a video of Katie, Jo and Sadie talking
about the festival itself, so we'll just play you a quick clip
of that. The Talk 10 is back-to-back with

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fantastically inspirational speakers.
UK column Takeover. Saturday, Philly J Lay It's all
about health on the Sunday. Monday is all about spirituality
with Charles Bryant. You're going to walk away
feeling uplifted, feeling amazing because you've been
around like minded people for a whole weekend.

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We are lucky we get to experience that all the time.
But if you haven't or you don't get that very often, you need to
fill up your tank. Yeah, of feel good energy.
So get get your tickets there. We will be there.
Just to reiterate, we will, we will absolutely be running that
talk tent on the Saturday and it'll be a phenomenal day and a

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phenomenal festival. So once you've got that out of
the way and August has passed, the next thing to think about is
October and indeed York, becausewe've got our next on location
event happening there, which is going to be an extremely
exciting day. The focus of the day is going to
be health and we've got an amazing array of speakers, which
we will be starting to announce soon.

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So make sure that you remain watching until the very end of
the programme. Hint, hint.
But it's going to be an in person event with a, with a
great absolutely lovely venue and a large audience in person.
And there'll be an evening session as well.
So you can join us for that too.But I would recommend that you

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get on with it because tickets are selling very quickly.
We've sold well over half now and we are expecting to sell
that out. But don't worry, there is a, a
live stream as well if you're unable to get there in person.
And therefore we have all the bases covered, or at least so we
hope. Now that concludes the ads for

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this news programme. And we're going to go to the
Baltic where I think again, we're going to have to take a
different perspective on what we're, what we're told by the
the British establishment. Certainly, Patrick.
Well, yes, and you're not allowed to know a lot of this
because it's in Russian media, which is a verboten in Britain,
but nonetheless. And we will be asking Kit
Clarenberg to to contribute on this discussion.

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But the UK accused by Russian intelligence of masterminding A
sabotage campaign against Russia's shadow fleet, Shadow
fleet of tankers and ships on the high sea doing trade and
commerce here. This is a report we've got up at
21st Century wire.com from our Global Affairs Associate Editor
Freddie Ponton. And this has got a lot of

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interesting positions in it thatI think people need to consider.
We, we, we're calling this the NATO lake.
Obviously with the addition of Finland and Sweden, this has
completely changed the security architecture of the Baltic
environment, made it a lot more hostile for Russia.
And this is a report by the Russian SRV, their intelligence
services here. And this is interesting.

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NATO allies preparing for large scale operations against
Russia's so-called shadow fleet.And that's what's in here.
There's the report and we've gotthe translation and PDF form
which you can go and read there.And also what's also interesting
about this, and this is where the conversation is going to get
a little dicey, there's Keir Starmer, the British Prime

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Minister. And what's he saying here?
What we'll bring on, actually, sorry, we'll bring, we'll bring
back, we're going to bring back a quote from Keir Starmer.
There it is. The threat from Russia to our
national security cannot be underestimated, Starmer said.
That is why we will do everything in our power to
destroy the Shadow fleet Operation.

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Starve his war machine. So his shadow fleet, his war
machines, they're personalizing this to Vladimir Putin, like
Saddam Hussein style and Gaddafistyle, starve his war machine of
oil revenues and protect the subsea infrastructure.
For. Then we rely on for everyday
lives. Charles, subsea infrastructure,

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what's the Nord Stream pipeline is that does that count as
subsea infrastructure? I mean, I'm certainly no expert,
but I would think that it might fall into that category, yes.
I find this to be quite unbelievable here.
And this, this is dovetailing with this.
Donald Trump's hitting India with 50% tariffs, 25 extra 50 in
total for Russian oil purchases.So that's coming via Russia's

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quote shadow fleet. So this is a coordinated
operation between the British and the Americans and NATO, full
stop. Now we've I've got a video here
from Chris Donahue, NATO commandof NATO land forces here.
Listen very closely. If you look at Kaliningrad at
its, you know, you can argue back and forth, but it's about

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47 miles wide surrounded by NATOon all sides.
There's absolutely no reason whythat A2AD bubble to deter
Russia. We cannot take that down from
the ground in a time frame that is unheard of and faster than
we've ever been able to do. We've already planned that.
We've already developed it. The mass and momentum problem

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that Russia poses to us, a problem that we could pose get
faced anywhere else in the world.
We've developed the capability to make sure that we can stop
that massive momentum problem, approximately 22 divisions worth
of capability. And then of course, all of us
have to make sure that we have offensive capability.

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That was this week, Charles, that was this week.
So a NATO commander openly advocating for offensive
operations against Russia to that would definitely trigger a
potential thermonuclear exchangeand World War 3.
Unbelievable here. And for further perspective on
this, back in June, Kit Clarenberg publishes with the

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Gray Zone secret, British plans to defeat entire Russian Black
Sea fleet revealed and leaked. So we bring Kit back Kit.
So it's, you know, it's there's no secrets about what the agenda
is here. Now they're doing this openly.
Russia's not advocating to attack the United States openly
and how they're going to, you know, take out the US fleet in

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Hawaii or even in Bahrain, but yet NATO's doing this to Russia
publicly. That plus what you've been
sharing with us in the previous months.
We'd like your perspective Kit. Yeah, well, I mean, I'm amazed
that first at Russia's restraint, but also the fact
that it's taken them so taking them so long to publicly discuss

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the fact that Britain is behind all of this.
I mean, in March 2022, there is a an organization known as the
Council on Geostrategy, which isfunded by the British Foreign
Office and and various defence contractors.
And it published a report which openly stated that the Black Sea
region was of significant importance to the UK

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geopolitically, and it advocatedfor assisting Ukraine in
destroying Russia's Black Sea fleet.
So, I mean, we didn't even need the leaks I reported on to know
that Britain was behind this. And yes, there are numerous
passages and leaked files I reported on which have very
clear relevance to what's been going on.

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So I mean, this didn't get much coverage in in the Western or
the English language media. But in February, there was a
spate of explosions on tankers in the Mediterranean that had
recently stopped at Russian ports and were ferrying Russian
goods, particularly oil, around the world.
Italian investigators, you know,openly stated that they

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suspected that the Ukraine was responsible for this.
Now, in the leaked, excuse me, in the leaked files that I
reported on, there's all sorts of references to training the
Ukrainians to use limpet, you know, deep sea divers to attach
limpet mines to Russian ships inthe Black Sea to sink them.

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You know, of course they're going to be using this
capability elsewhere. And what's interesting about the
Ukraine's preponderant focus on attacking Russian shipping in in
the Black Sea is it actually hasno battlefield benefit for them
whatsoever. I mean, they might get a
propaganda boost out there, but it doesn't change the reality of

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the frontline in Donbass. But they are expending, you
know, a large amount of people and resources, often on suicide
mission to try and attack Russia, Russian shipping,
Russian military bases and Russian territory in that
region. And as I've also reported for

(33:02):
the Grey zone, I mean, you know,the entire Krinky operation,
which was a catastrophic disaster, ranking amongst one of
the worst military disasters in modern history.
This was all masterminded by theBritish.
It was British trained Ukrainianmarines who were doing the

(33:24):
fighting and dying, mainly dyingusing British equipment and they
were trained in Britain itself. You know, and, and to that point
TJ Coles also for the grey zone here just to remind people, from
2015 the UK has trained over 22,000 Ukrainian military
personnel as a part of OperationOrbital Maritime training

(33:45):
Initiative. And this is all detailed in TJ
Coles book Britains Secret Wars,where he documents how the UK
spent all this time and money and using the conflict and
stability fund. I think there was some money out
allocated for that, maybe about 30 million during that period,
2017 to 2020, Conflict, stability and security fund.

(34:07):
There's a lot of stuff that getstrafficked through that fund, as
you know, Charles, and if you want to look at the book TJ
Coles, Britain's Secret Wars, excellent book.
And we were both at the same university doing postgraduate
research as well, so in Plymouth.
And TJ Coles is a fantastic top flight researcher.
I just want to point that out, but I want to bring Kit back.

(34:28):
Just say Kit, thank you very much for joining us and we hope
we'll befall your work on Substack as well as the Grey
Zone and hopefully we'll be ableto talk to you again soon.
My pleasure. Cheers guys.
There he goes. Ladies and gentlemen, that's Kit
Klarenberg. Follow him on Sub Stack.
Also at The Grey Zone. He's editor of The Grey Zone UK,
sister publication of The Grey Zone in the US.

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Yeah. Superb.
Yeah, excellent contribution there from Kitten and we're very
grateful for it. Also worth pointing out that
Orbital what actually was a landinitiative as well and of course
LED into OP Interflex, which we've talked about a lot.
And of course that's, that's drawn a huge amount of not just
money away from other defence projects in the UK, but also an
enormous number of people to to run the training programme.

(35:10):
So it's it's. And by the way, Charles, how
many of those people trained? How many of those young
Ukrainian men are still alive? Well, I've.
Gone through that programme. Funnily enough, I can tell you
the answer and and that is that that once the training is
complete, in fact, sorry, this is from a Freedom of Information
request that I had from the Ministry of Defence, which was

(35:32):
which units are these guys coming from and where are they
going back to? And they do not keep a record of
that. So they have absolutely no idea
when you deliberately, of course.
And you look at the disaster like Krinky, which Kit
Klarenberg was talking about, that the losses were just
unbelievable. And you know, it's that that
that discussion never comes up in all of this.

(35:53):
Yeah, No, it doesn't. Now changing topics somewhat
onto artificial intelligence or at least obliquely.
Now we it's well recognised thatartificial intelligence is very
much a double edged sword. And in this instance I think
what I'd like to do is make the case that it can be in effect
weaponised by various means as atrap for censorship.

(36:15):
And I'm going to use as an example a tweet posted recently
by somebody called David Atherton.
Now he interestingly has free speech in his Twitter profile
and describes himself as a journalist, Although I'd like
you to consider whether or not you would agree with that
description. Now the tweet reads that a woman
has been raped at the Adelphi Hotel.
At 8:00 yesterday, a 49 year oldman living in Shropshire was

(36:37):
arrested. The hotel is owned by the
Britannia Group, which extensively houses asylum
seekers, although Grok was unable to confirm it is used for
that purpose. Now it's perfectly obvious he
can use the Internet. The Merseyside Police issued a
statement which said that a 49 year old man from Shropshire was

(36:58):
arrested on suspicion of the rape of a woman.
But of course, the wording has been changed just slightly to
give the impression that the maninvolved is not a Shropshire
resident. He's changing it to living in
Shropshire. He also makes the connection
between Britannia Hotels and migrants and he doesn't check,
he asks Grok instead, which if you're unaware and well done you

(37:20):
if you are unaware, is the AI tool that is sort of deployed,
utilised by Twitter to apparently provide answers to
things that people can't think of for themselves.
And the algorithm on top of all this rewards this tweet with
469,000 views, which is a reallyimportant point to make because

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in considering what the commentsmight be about, I think it's
fairly obvious that the insinuation here is such that he
is certain that he knows the identity or indeed the ethnicity
of the suspect. But of course, had he done a
little bit more research, he would have found that Britannia
Hotels has, on the website the Adelphi Hotel, listed clearly a

(38:03):
hotel that one can book at and indeed get in touch with and
find out that it's not a migranthotel.
So free speech written down in your Twitter bio is all well and
good, but of course the point isthat careless and indeed
speculation of a wilfully inflammatory nature is is really
asking for the type of censorship the regime has no

(38:26):
trouble in dishing out. Now in another example, but sort
of with a with a different bent on it, this is a tweet again
from this time Andrew Bridgen picking up a story and doing the
same in a sense, which is to notattempt at all to verify the
validity of it. And in fact, following any doubt

(38:46):
in the comments has actually doubled down on it.
And if you're not able to see this is the story that's been
doing the rounds now discreditedthat 2 British Army colonels and
a Secret Intelligence Service person were captured by Russian
special forces. Now there are no primary sources
given for any of this on either side.

(39:07):
Nonetheless, it's been put out absolutely across the board,
even by the Africa Times here via Adibukala Adibiego, who I
think is probably Nigerian, although interestingly his news
organisation, at least on LinkedIn, is listed as being in
Florida. Now this has been reported as
coming from the Norwegian Steigen paper, which has issued

(39:29):
a correction. But of course the point here is
that these corrections are neverever brought through the
mainstream. So instead the story is
discredited. All those that put the story out
are discredited. But what I want to point out is,
is the use of AI. Now this is the photograph that
went with the article, which at first glance might well look
like to British colonels, but I'll just take you around the

(39:51):
photograph by means of this red arrow, which if you can't see
it, I apologise. But you'll notice how the
passports first of all don't have actual proper text on them,
but they appear to be hovering in the air, very obviously not
actually resting on the knee. Furthermore, that is not the
type of belt that would be worn by a member of the armed forces.

(40:11):
That is not a piece of issue kitand again, the belts are.
That different from one another,again, we have a missing piece
of the uniform. There would normally be a rank
slide at that point on the current iteration of the DPM.
The pattern itself is also wrong.
So that's another a tell. And then a question is what is
this? I think it's supposed to suggest

(40:31):
that it's part of the PRR radio set, but of course there is no
such device that looks exactly like that.
So again, sort of slightly unanswered.
And finally, perhaps my favoriteis this weapon, which is quite
clearly being held wrong way round.
So you can see just over the chap on the left right shoulder,
there is a effectively a hand onwhat what should be a pistol

(40:52):
grip, except the the weapon is back front.
So if you spend any time lookingat it, it's actually blindingly
obvious that it is a fake photograph.
But it was used in such a way asto suggest there was something
to this story. Now, I mentioned that Steigen,
where the the story is supposed to have come from, had issued a
correction. And of course that's going to be
lost in the sands of time. George Gallagher also reported

(41:16):
on this, and I'd just like to just give an idea of of how this
can be considered when it is addressed critically.
So here's Scott Ritter talking to George Galloway about this.
Having thought about it, I. Mean war tourism is just another
code word for espionage for carrying out intelligence

(41:36):
activities. Having a pair of colonels do
this though, is is is where I start to the where the narrative
starts to lose me. People tend to forget that you
don't become a Colonel because you're a sprightly young,
athletic individual. You're a Colonel because you've
been around for a while. Your brain may work better than

(41:58):
others because it's been stuffedwith more information and you've
had higher levels of, you know, command experience, but your
knees don't work. Your back doesn't work.
The last thing a Colonel wants to be doing is war tourism in an
actual war. So this is where the narrative
falls apart. I until I see the colonel's
paraded forward, you know in in non AI generated imagery, I'm

(42:24):
going to treat this story with alittle bit of circumspect.
Quite right. It just illustrates how AI can
be used for nefarious ends. Indeed, had the story had any
veracity to it, simply by putting out artificially
generated images could sow that element of doubt and make it
look like it wasn't real. And I would just conclude by

(42:45):
saying the reason this is important is because, of course,
the Online Safety Act is dealingwith all these sorts of issues
and indeed suppressing free speech absolutely across the
board. So I would encourage you, if you
haven't done so already, to signthis petition, which is on
screen now. There'll be a link in the show
notes which is to repeal the Online Safety Act.
And as of, I think first thing this morning, just over 5000,

(43:08):
sorry, 500,000 signatures. So I think a long way to go yet,
but something very important that we keep pushing.
And I might add, even George Galloway got roped into that
story and tweeted about it unknowingly.
So a lot of top accounts basically took the on that, and
a lot of them have come back andacknowledge that that was a
mistake. So fair play.
But this is fake news and it could be generated by humans or

(43:31):
it could be generated by AI. The Grok thing really scares me,
and I always warned about that, is that the final source of
truth cannot be an AI engine. And this is what Elon Musk's
vision of the future of news andmedia is.
He says in the future, Grok willbe the source of truth.
He's quoted as saying that we'veshowed this as well previously
on the on the program, Charles. So, yeah, a lot to talk about

(43:52):
there in the future. Let's continue that debate.
But very briefly, I'll just mention this.
There's meant to be some kind ofa summit between Trump and
Putin. Much has been made of this, of
course. And with all difficult divorce
proceedings, Charles, what do you do with the kids?
That's the big question. And then Zelensky is the other
part of that tripod. So Trump and Putin, this is a

(44:14):
couple of days ago to meet in coming days.
And then suddenly, Charles, it changes and it's now Trump's
Ukraine deadline for Putin arrives and uncertainty remains
over the possible meeting. So now they're arguing over.
And this is exactly what I had said on Daniel Davis''s podcast
yesterday. As I said, I don't believe any
of this because I know the Russians don't really regard

(44:35):
Zelensky as a party to any enduring political or negotiated
settlement. So he's the problem actually.
So this is just going to get kicked back, I think, to square
one again, and we might be in another protracted cycle of not
knowing what's going on. In the meantime, nuclear threats
are being made here by Trump threatening, basically

(44:56):
telegraphing US nuclear deterrent, submarines carrying
nuclear tipped Tomahawk missilesor even conventional missiles,
tell him where he's going to park them to basically send a
message to Medvedev and to the Russians that the US is a strong
nuclear force and they mean business.
I mean, what on earth is AUS president doing engaging in this

(45:19):
type of rhetoric on social media?
I can't think of a worse thing that a chief executive of a
world superpower, especially theglobal hegemon, could be doing
at this particular time in history.
But then again, I'm not on Trump's cabinet team, so I
really don't have much input in the matter.
We just have to sit back and cross our fingers that World War

(45:40):
3 isn't going to kick off. Yeah, there's there's something
in the air, that's for sure. And that leads well into what
I'm just about to talk about, which is what's being described
as space blindness. Now if you haven't heard of it,
then I really wouldn't blame you.
But this is the term that's beenused by Major General Paul
Tedman, who's the commander, UK Space Commander, and he's just
delivered an address at the Royal United Services Institute.

(46:02):
And he's describing the era thatwe are in as being a new space
age and the important of outer space and global affairs as
being never more evident. No longer just a frontier for
scientific exploration, he says space is now a domain of
strategic, economic and political competition.
And he goes on to say that the national dependency on space is

(46:25):
being increasingly being held atrisk by space risks and threats.
So he he's straight away suggesting that there are going
to be problems down the track. He's saying that there are over
80 nations with space projects and critically here.
And this goes straight back to what Patrick's just been saying
about Trump. He says access is no longer
enough. We must be able to control

(46:46):
space, defend our assets and if required deny its use to hostile
actors. Well, he qualifies it, or at
least attempts to, by saying no one wants a war in space and it
is certainly not inevitable, whilst at the same time I would
say making it sound as though itis pretty much inevitable.

(47:07):
He says that we've been working across government as one space,
so the same language despite thefact that we're in a somewhat
different arena and talking about effective governance.
Of course he is, but he does saythat we're going to, we're not
going to do this alone. And I think this is a critical
part of it. Space is the Ultimate Team
sport. So being clear on what needs to
be nationally separable capabilities to assure effects

(47:29):
and provide us strategic autonomy.
I won't go on and over quote what he says, but but a critical
part of this is the fact that inorder to do all this, he is
completely and utterly reliant upon corporations and he has no
control over what they're going to do or indeed how they're
going to regard him and his plans in the future.

(47:51):
But he still continues with thisextremely hostile language.
He talks about deterring and to endure a first mover strike and
only if necessary fight through and win.
So it's an incredible language really.
But it coincides with an announcement about high altitude
balloons, which again are being considered to be a defence
capability, and my altitude balloons to conduct

(48:13):
intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance missions.
And again, here we go, the same old refrain, boosting national
security and delivering on the government's plan for change.
Now the future use of balloons could they say support
operations and reliable communication as well as
providing information for weather, weather forecasting and

(48:35):
climate research. So the sense that defence and
meteorology are intertwined is of course something we've talked
about quite a lot in the past, but interesting to see that it
crops up here. And the other thing I would like
to draw your attention to is that the nuclear deterrent video
here shown on screen has just been re released by the
government literally in the lastcouple of days.
And one might question, given again what Patrick's just said

(48:57):
and the rhetoric that's coming out of Space Command, why
exactly in the shadow of Strategic Defence Review, of
course published within the lastmonth, why all this would be
coming out now? Now the other thing to draw your
attention to, which again is very much related to this, is
Skynet. And I reported on Skynet five
last year, described as a satellite communications

(49:18):
capability. But now we're on the next
iteration, which courses Skynet 6, and it says that it will
adhere to the concept of Allied by Design.
And this is something that DavidEllis wrote on for UK columns
some years ago to, to understandwhere it's all come from.
You can go and engage with that,but they say that it's going to
have continued engagement with NATO through the Five Eyes,

(49:39):
Australia, Canada, New Zealand, UK and US and other mission
partners. Now going back to the the
teamwork element, the vulnerabilities of these sorts
of programs are monumental because of course the Skynet
capability is being developed and manufactured by Airbus and
Space UK and is scheduled for launch like all the other things
by SpaceX X in 2027. So if the wind changed direction

(50:03):
and Elon Musk decides that he doesn't actually want to support
this anymore, then the entire operation is dead in the water.
And I'm just sort of to create alittle bit of thought on this.
I just draw your attention to the fact that Israel are talking
about a successful launch for their draw one, the national
communication satellite, which of course has been enabled by
SpaceX. So it's very easy to see how by

(50:26):
inviting people to yet involved,which they do at the bottom of
their guidance about this, what sort of people will be coming
forward and for why. So something I think we'll talk
about more. Will the operation be dead in
the water? Charles or Elon Musk be dead in?
Well, there we are. Does he have an option?
That's an extremely good question and a very good.

(50:47):
Question, but it's just that theelement of corporate controls
again something we've talked about a lot before it is
phenomenal and it seems to be overlooked.
It's never actually addressed the the assumption is made that
this will just and and just quickly Elon Musk.
Boasted that he provides the backbone for the Ukrainian
military on the frontline with Starlink.
So without Starlink, there's no Ukrainian military can't do any

(51:11):
of what they've been doing against Russia.
So it it is really pivotal. And that's just one operation
where they're using this and deploying this.
It's happening all around the world.
Yeah, no moving on. I, I said earlier.
We're going to be considering what's going on in the minds of
younger people. And we're, we're often to be
found talking about the, the, the younger folks, of course,
they are the future for society.What is it that they're thinking

(51:33):
and doing? And I'm going to now go to a
report from Wilsey, which is dealing with an event held held
recently by the Cathedral, whichis a nightclub with more to it
than that, which has been running for three years.
So let's have a listen to see what Wilsey's been reporting on
my name. Is Nika and.
At the moment I'm a children's party entertainer.

(51:55):
My name is Ben Weller. I work for an anti abortion
organisation called SPC. I'm Preston Bates, I'm
independent journalist and entrepreneur.
My name is Matthew Lamore and. And I run this club which is the
cathedral, just come in for a little social.
Meet up. Haven't seen people in ages, So
what has come out with some likeminded people down in tonight's

(52:18):
to meet some lovely people? Yeah, that's what I'm down here
for. It's amazing.
It's just good to connect. With like minded peers, music
and. Nice vibrations, nice people
around. We're just here to see people
and hang out. That's fun.
It's impressive he's managed to get so many people on the boat.
That's great. I love it.
The cathedral's birthday. The cathedral is a.

(52:40):
Nightclub, but it's also a collective of audio visual
artists, and it's a cultural phenomenon.
That's a mixed bag, I'll be honest.
You meet some people who quite honestly, I outright disagree
with. You also find people who are
humble. So the kind of people you meet
is a variation of stubborn. Individuals.
With opinions that are willing to put that forward without

(53:01):
being offended and bashed different ideas out.
Many seem like very open minded.I mean I could have a nice chat
with them about everything let'ssay.
Not even just anti vaxxer anti. Or pharmaceuticals.
That would be pretty cool. I'd like some more friends who
are anti or pharmaceuticals. Pro health in terms of taking

(53:24):
care of themselves, intelligent people that are down to.
Earth now, they're politics. They're genuine, genuine stand
people. I do think that we all.
In general, have a different idea of how we want to see this
country improved and how we're going to put together our
combined skills, initiatives, resources to actually make that
happen. All sorts of different people

(53:45):
here at the cathedral. It's very much an open space,
freedom of thought space, freedom of speech space.
We have a wonderful actually resident communist this evening,
which is really sweet. He's chatting away to some of
the kind of dissident right. Really that's what it's about.
It's building bridges between different belief systems,
different ways of looking at theworld, different ideologies.

(54:06):
A nightclub is really about cross pollination of different
tribes, artists, musicians, filmmakers, writers, but as well as
technologists, podcasters, philosophers, theorists.
It's a very cerebral scene. As you can see.
There's a lot of people chatting, there's a lot of talk
and that's really what what it'sabout.
There's also dancing going on downstairs.

(54:29):
It's really an attempt to create.
Something that is bigger. Than the sum of its parts.
It's about the people. The people are the most
important thing and there's somereally beautiful and brilliant
people in our country today and it's about bringing them
together and hopefully I'm building some positivity.

(54:53):
What do you think about the development?
Of sort of youth counterculture,the youth counterculture.
I think it's awesome. I spent almost my entire life
thinking, why do I not fit in with people?
Why do I have different thoughtsto just the mainstream pop
culture? And then when locked down here,
it actually kind of make made sense because before that I

(55:17):
didn't know why I was like a different wavelength.
But the fact that youth are speaking out about this as well
is just extra powerful because we finally have not just the
older generations as great as they are with their wisdom and
their other attributes, but we also we're really cool.

(55:41):
I think in the youth movement. I think there's definitely an
uprising in the youth. Maybe, maybe it's just I'm
tapping into a minority. Maybe it's just wishful
thinking. Oh, it's good.
It's what we need. We all need this.
We all need our own little parties and stuff because as
always, the mainstream, you know, we need the dissident meet

(56:02):
up. It needs to happen.
I think it's happened in America.
And it's worked well. I think the problem is here is
that we've got bad, bad optics in the to be.
Simple. Everything's very grainy.
And quite a few people are very ugly and we need to do what the
Americans have done and actuallyorganise it better and make it

(56:22):
more attractive to people that aren't on our side, the young
people who are here. Are finding confidence in in
their beliefs and in in what they stand for because they're
they're being backed up by theirelders.
And I think that's been really missing in London for a number
of years to have I hate. It it's not validation, it's

(56:45):
not. About that, it's.
It's about. It's about support more than
validation. It's about.
Daring to being. Encouraged to dare to think
differently. Goodbye, goodbye, goodbye,

(57:19):
goodbye. You can wear swimming swimming
trunks in case you go. Forward.
Yes. Come on, we need it.
Well, they went the distance. Building bridges.
What fun. Yeah, yeah.
I wonder if we'll make. The cut for the next one, what

(57:40):
fun. Look one thing.
I just want to say quickly, she said.
You know, the counterculture, it's hard for the counterculture
is something I try to say at events over the years is that
it's disempowering for people who class themselves as
independent or alternative to call themselves the
counterculture. They, they are the culture.
At least you need to believe that you're the culture.

(58:01):
The counterculture is McDonald's.
It's corporate banking. It's mainstream media.
That's the counterculture. You are the culture.
Independent, grassroots mainstream is the actual
culture. Yeah.
So it's just, it's a slight twist, but I think it's a very
good point. You're absolutely right, yeah.
Change of mindset. Now I've had another protracted

(58:22):
communication with Defra and I wrote to them in the in the wake
of the Strategic Defence Review and all the other various papers
that have come out recently about national security, asking
how on earth Defra are actually going to make it it work.
Because it is perfectly clear that self-sufficiency in terms
of food security is not at all realistic and hasn't been for
some considerable period of time.

(58:44):
I asked them a range of questions about this and indeed
whether they would consider bringing in rationing or at what
point they would consider takingland back out of what they call
environmental Land Management and back into food production.
And indeed, at what point they would consider dismantling
renewable energy projects that were taking up huge swathes of
land in order to produce more food.

(59:07):
Now I think you can probably tell more or less where this is
going, but the answer which was very long and very woolly was in
effect that they have absolutelyno plan to do any of that.
And and indeed the final question was by what date will
the UK have achieved 100% self-sufficiency?

(59:28):
And not a single question was answered.
Now for background, food security, although talked about
a lot by government and government ministers is not in
fact bound at all in statute. There are three references to it
on the statute book and they're only in the sense that it's
consideration when drawing up environmental Land Management or
nature recovery schemes. So they said that they are

(59:52):
engaging with the wider resilience and CNI community
talking about this critical national infrastructure, which
of course is exactly how space is being regarded.
So all these sorts of phrases used with gay abandoned, saying
they're aligned to the Ministry of Defence to ensure that
impacts on the food supply are considered and that they're.
Is contingency planning going onand all that kind of thing?

(01:00:15):
They threw out the figure of £2.7 billion saying that's
invested, invested in sustainable farming and nature
recovery. Again, so not really addressing
any of the questions that I asked, which of course was to do
with the production of food, butjust to qualify that that sum
would disappear in just over 5 days if it were given to the
National Health Service. Now in terms of how land is
used, the other thing I want to just draw your attention to

(01:00:38):
here, pointed out by The Gazetteand Herald in Wiltshire, is that
caution is now being lined up for a 450 MW site for a battery
energy storage system. And if you're not aware of what
that is, then please do go to the farming section on the UK
column website because there's alot of detail about the inherent
unsafety, if that's word, of these things in their lithium

(01:00:59):
ion factory facilities, which have a very poor track record
already. And that's in a way beside the
point. The point is that fire services
have declared that they have no means of doing anything about
these. This is due to be going ahead
apparently, although not actually shown on the Renewable
Energy Planning database as yet.Just up the road a few months

(01:01:20):
ago in just outside Cirencester at Preston, there was a fire
that broke out there on a solar farm, which also has a battery
capability. So it's not as these these
things don't happen. And of course the environmental
catastrophe is absolutely terrible.
Corsham is a small market town in Wiltshire and this is the
planning database, as I say, which doesn't show this
particular projected facility, but just to give an idea, that's

(01:01:43):
a probably only a 10 mile radiusand that's the number of battery
facilities that are already in play or designed to be in play
in that area. And obviously the plan for many
more. Now, on a related note, in terms
of land that's being taken away,we've got the Ministry of
Housing, Communities and Local Government talking of about the

(01:02:04):
sale of allotment spaces, which was a story that reared it's had
a couple of weeks ago with Angela Rayner, supposedly the
the demon in the piece saying that that land could indeed be
sold by local governments, localauthorities.
Now there's some controversy about this, but the blog post
says that for the sites to be solved, councils must get

(01:02:25):
approval from the department andthey can only be solved where
this is absolutely necessary andwhere the legal threshold is
met. Well, of course, it entirely
depends on the very subjective nature of that point as to
whether this will happen or not.Now, just to highlight the
extraordinary sort of inconsistencies and absurdities
and inefficiencies of it. There's there's one instance

(01:02:47):
where for an application by Elstree and Borehamwood Town
disposed of 54 allotment plots in order to construct 100 and
8086 homes. And as part of the application
an adjacent piece of land is going to be developed for 100
allotment places. So somebody's going to have to
explain exactly how that makes any kind of sense at all.

(01:03:09):
Another issue we've talked abouta lot in terms of resources and
indeed access to land is artificial intelligence, which
is taking up increasing amounts of land.
Of course, we talked about Stargate in the project in
Abilene in Texas, which is reported here by the Austin
Chronicle. And they've got the picture
really, that these sorts of facilities, this is the
projected set up for Stargate, is going to be taking over vast,

(01:03:32):
Vast tracts of land. But the issue here is 1
concerning water, which of course is to suggest that water
is going to be prioritised for artificial intelligence,
something I was talking about just the other day, but is not
being confirmed by any government department in the UK.
But it does look like the AustinChronicle is on something there.
And then we're going to go to Nova Scotia in Canada, where

(01:03:52):
there's been an exercise of powers which is really
normalising the restriction of control of access to land.
So in effect, what's been happening now is that the
minister has been prohibiting access to the woods on the basis
that there is a risk of fire. And there the quote on screen
there, the minister does hereby prohibit entry into the woods

(01:04:14):
without a valid travel travel permit.
So the point that falls out of this of course is that it's not
so much that access has been restricted, whether or not
there's a legitimate reason. It's more that to access it you
need a permit. And this is in effect to
normalise the idea that there will be some sort of control
mechanism which will enable you to access land in the future.

(01:04:35):
And if you think of the way in which the natural environment
now is being described in terms of natural capital and green
spaces and blue spaces, I think we have to be very much aware
that this is coming, coming downthe track and seems to be
playing out in Nova Scotia. Yeah, it could be.
It could. Be the tokenization of nature,
the financialization of nature, these are all part of a World
Economic Forum of future projections and programs.

(01:04:59):
So we could see the convergence of some of these agendas through
this type of mechanism. Absolutely right now.
But to to cheer the mood and to set you up for the weekend and
to create more of a buzz about our event happening in October,
I'm very pleased to announce that our first speaker that we
are going to be talking about isAndrew Wakefield.

(01:05:22):
Doctor Andrew Wakefield will be speaking at our event in York
and we are extremely excited about this.
Andrew Wakefield, of course, almost single handedly
responsible for changing the wayin which a huge number of people
in the world think about vaccines in specifically, but
also pharmaceutical products in general.
And indeed, he's going to be talking about what happened to

(01:05:45):
him with his career after exposing what he'd found back in
the 90s pertaining to two vaccines, but also about a film
that he has produced in recent years called Protocol 7, which
we've talked about before. And I'm very pleased to say that
if you have bought a ticket, youwill have digital access to
Protocol 7 after the York event.And that applies to you if you

(01:06:09):
are buying a ticket for the livestream as well.
And I've seen it, it is an absolutely phenomenal film.
So just another reason to get a ticket, whether for the live
stream or indeed for the in person event itself.
But Andrew Wakefield will be there.
Please come along and listen to him.
On that note, we will close thatprogramme.
So I'll say thank you very much to Patrick for joining me in the
studio. Very Many thanks Kit Klarenberg

(01:06:31):
and please do go and follow his material via all various links
in the show notes. And indeed to Willsey with
another excellent report. And I just remind you that the
German Warfare Banter session will be going out at 7:00
tonight. If you are a member, please stay
on for extra time, which will bein just a few minutes.
And indeed, have a lovely weekend.
Please join us for the news programme on Monday at 1:00.

(01:06:53):
Bye bye.

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