June 9, 2025 • 30 mins
William Dathan Holbert, also known as "Wild Bill," is an American criminal who became infamous for his involvement in a series of murders and financial crimes in Panama.
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
Welcome non Forbidden truth. I'm Andrew. Today I'll be speaking
with convicted serial killer William Holbert aka Wild Bill, about
how his life has been in a Panamanian prison. Bill
speaks about some of the homicides that I've recently taken
place there and how his efforts have been trying to
be transferred to the United States to serve the remainder
of his prison sentence. William Dathan Holbert, also known as
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Wild Bill, as an American criminal notorious for his involvement
in a series of murders in Central America. Born in
nineteen seventy eight, Hulbert initially lived a life marked by
petty crimes and a series of failed ventures. His criminal
activities escalated when he moved to Central America, where he
began a spree of violent crimes. Bill's most infamous acts
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was his involvement in the murders of several people, including
his business partners and acquaintances, whom he killed to steal
their assets. His crimes, which were driven by greed and
desire to evade legal troubles, ultimately led to his capture.
Hubert was arrested in twenty ten and subsequently sentenced to
forty six years in a Panamanian prison for his Haydens acts.
His case garnered significant media attention due to the brutal
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nature of his crimes in his dramatic capture. Here's my
interview with serial killer William Holbert aka wild Bill. So Bill,
we haven't spoken over a year now. How has your
life been in a Panamanian prison since then? And has
there been any murders or gang wars since we last spoke?
I know the prison you're in is pretty notorious for
gang violence. Last, but not least, how have your efforts
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been in regard to trying to get transferred into America
to serve the remainder of your prison sentence?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Hey, everybody's me broly well gone back? How have I been?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Has life been in a Panama since prisons? A lot
of shit's happened men, since the last time have been on.
I don't know when. It was, probably like or something
of last year, in July of last year.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
This is what.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Happened to me. I'll try try to explain it. I
was in secrecy, which is like the worst place you
can be in a penmanay men, in prison, it's like
super mix, Right, there's only twenty cells in each sublock,
and there's one man do a cell, and it's like
solitary confinement.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Then I let you out an hour a day.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
But I had a job, actually had a job. I
had a really good situation. But I was in Sector City.
I don't want to be there, right, I shouldn't be there.
And like I'm there with all the killers and all
the work. I mean, I'm a killer, you know, but
but I mean, like I behave really well. And so
there's a lot of gun battles and shit that happened
here and and literally between prisoners. Anyway, So I fought
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like hell with the help of the United States Embassy
in this time period to get out of secrecy and
the prison this is like a movie, you know, because
the prison has this warden named Linda Morea, and she
is an ex police officer. He's retired ex police commissioner.
So they could they possibly put anybody worse in charge
of a prison than a fucking police commissioner, Like a
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person who spent their whole life apprehending and mistreating criminals.
That's who they're going to put in charge of taking
care of our human rights? What the fuck? Anyway, so
that's what they did. And she is a piece of work,
let me tell you.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
And so.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
She became angry because she said, no, I couldn't care.
I had to stay secret.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
See.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
But I went over her head and the people above
her said, let Bill out. He's cool, he's doing a
good job. He's the pastor there, and he's not ever
caused any problems, so let him out. So this is
what they did. They came and did like an interview
with mental her, and the head of security came and
did an interview with me and said, well, we're gonna
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let you out and you go to Sector B. But
I got a lot of friends in Sector B, which
is like a medium security sector. So I was like
super excited about it, like cool. And my friend Charlie also,
uh was gonna get out, and so so we were
going to go together and go to to a sub
block down there in the bottom. It was got like
two hundred guys in it, you know, and and and
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like it was gonna be like I was, I already
had it in my mind how it was going to be,
how it was gonna be so fucking cool, you know.
So so I left the church in the hands of
a friend of mine, and because I'm the pastor of
the church on the inside, if you didn't know, and
I know that seems strange that I that I would
be the pastor of a church, but but I preach uh.
I preached Jesus Christ, and I preach the law of attraction,
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both things, and I think that that's what Jesus Christ
actually preached. I don't want to get off on the
tangent about religion right now, but but so so we
we believe in and being the change you want to be.
If you want to be loved, if you want good
things in your life, you have to be love. You
have to act treat other people that way. And so
that's what we preach. And we've got a really good church.
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And so I left it in the hands of a
friend of mine and we me and Charlie packed up
Parshit and went upstairs to wait on the the Because
Sector C. This is hard to explain, but Sector C
is ran by the police, the National Police of Panama.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
So it's like a really hard ass place, you know,
and and.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
When you go to to a regular prison there, it's
run by civilian guards just like an American like CEO's
correctional officers, not by police.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
But the police here are cool with.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Me, you know, they'd been had I was here for
five years and they're they're cool, you know, say, let
me do as much as they can, you know, as far.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
As with the church and stuff. And so so we
go upstairs.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
We're waiting, so the warden comes, the lady warden comes,
which forgive me for Sam. You may not like what
I'm about to say, but it's a terrible fucking idea
to put a woman in charge of a men's prison.
And just like it's a terrible idea to put a
man in charge of a woman's prison.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
That shouldn't be that way. I don't care.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
I know we're in the twenty first century or whatever,
but it shouldn't be that way. Because, having having dealt
with lots of women in war and men wardens, the
men wardens are more understanding. The women wardens feels like that.
She feels like that she has to be harder than
anybody else so that the men will respect her, because
she has not an inferiority complex necessarily, but she has
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a fear that someone might see her as weak. And
a man doesn't have this problem. And a man in
charge of a women's prison is a good idea either
because he fucks all the girls. And that's happened here
in Panama many times, that the prison warden is a
man in a women's prison. And what a great job
for a man, you know, because like bring that bitch
in here and so and so. Anyway, I'm sorry you
may find these things politically incorrect, but I'm a dinosaur
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from the old age and I just tell it like
it is, and I don't think that anyway. So she
comes in and so we're like excited, we're all happy,
and she sees us happy and you can just see
that that pisces her off. And so the head of security,
the headguard comes in with her and says, you guys
are going to extreme security and Sector B. And I'm
like what that's like the that's like the booby hatch.
It's like where they put people who are crazy. I'm
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like what, and like why would we go there? And
he says, well, we're gonna we're gonna evaluate you. And
I said, oh cool. So it'll be like like fifteen
thirty days fifteen days or thirty days or something like that,
right to get evaluated and then and then you'll move
us to where we want to go. And he's like,
not necessarily. And I'm like, well, what do you mean,
Why are we going to the Why are we going
to the like the mental ward. There's nothing. We're not crazy,
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you know. And so I'm like, you know what, fuck it,
I'm not worried about it. Let's go. So my friend
Charlie balked. He wouldn't go. He didn't want to go.
He was afraid. And I'm like, you know me, I'm
while Bill. So I'm like, well, I'm gonna go. So
I went, Holy horseshit in a handbag. The place had
sixteen cells and fifty eight men. And when I say
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something like little bitty ass one man cells, it had
one man cells with one bed. Each cell had like
five guys in it.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Looking I was.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Something to think about. Being while Bill. They gave me
my own cell, which was okay. But these guys are crazy.
They literally are not in saying, there's three classes of
men who are in that cell block. Crazy motherfuckers that
are so crazy that they throw shit at each other
and piss at each other through the door and stuff.
I'm not not joking, like like you walk by and
they throw shit on you like they're crazy, like like
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like one guy thinks she's a dog crazy. I'm not joking.
And then there are the rats, the ones that have
ratted on other people and everybody wants to kill they're there.
How wonderful that is. And then there are like a
bunch of gay guys there that like there's there's like
a there's like a there's a pathy on a cell
block of homosexuals. And they're cool. I get they're just
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part of the integral part of the prison right, but
they separate them. And but when one of their got
their people behaves really poorly and the other ones can't
the other the other the other gay guys can't support,
can't can't deal with that person, they send them to
that place. So you got like crazy transvestines, crazy prisoners,
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and the rats. And they put me in there, and
I'm like, what the well anyway, so immediately everybody elected
me as they're pastoring their leader.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
So like I was there.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
I got there on the twenty fourth of July twenty
twenty three last year, and and I stayed there for
five months. And during that time period, nobody they wouldn't
let anybody out of prison. They wouldn't let anybody out
of the out of the cells. Excuse me, like, like
everybody's locked in twenty four hours a day, seven days
a week. So I put in a ridge to the
to the Supreme Court, which was answered, and they said
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they have to give everybody there two hours of day
of patio. I became like the champion, you know, they
thought the man like, I'm like a wizard. You know that,
I can't believe bill let us, let got us let loose.
So I started doing that, you know, I started taking
care of them they put. I organized the groups to guards.
Prison guards everywhere always loved me immediately because I'm corrupt
as hell, and I give money to the prison guards.
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That's one thing. And then another thing is I do
everything I can possibly do to make everything run smoothly
for the guards. The guards end up literally literally like
I'm like Joseph in the Bible. The guards literally end
up giving me the key ring to let people went
and out of their own cells and stuff, and so
like they don't have to do anything. A guy goes
and sits on his ass in there and drinks Coca
cola that I just bought. So you know, he's the
prison guards. I never have a problem with prison guards, cops, whatever,
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any kind of prison guard, I never have a problem.
They always help anyway. So so I started running the
church that we saw. We organized another church there and
trying to you're talking about the saddest, most horrible situation.
I mean, like, there's a guy named named Miguel there
that we call MA and Mi had lived in Texas.
He was a Panamanian black guy, like an African Panamanian,
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and he lived in Texas for a while and spoke
perfect English. But mine was crazy as a bed bug.
But he wasn't crazy. He was crazy, but he wasn't creaking.
It's like functional, you know. But my gut, how they
treated him so badly, the guards and stuff like that,
And so I worked on trying to get that straightened
out as well. Like this guy doesn't need to be
in prison. He needs to be in like a Manicomeo
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a place where like a mental institution where can help him,
cause he's not a bad guy. And like if you
gave him some medication or something, he'd be okay. It's
like when there isn't any medication when he's like nuts
and like the Panamanics can't can't follow that trying to
train of thought anyway, And so so I had some
help from the prisoners to the actual prison of the church.
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Of the prisoners there came in and helped, helped a
lot with the hang on. I'm reading these questions as
they come in, okay, and so anyway, so I tried
to help these people, right, and one day in I
see it was in January this year, on the tenth
of January this year, no the ninth, a man came
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named Didier from d Idea, which is the biggest newspaper
in Panama, came to the visit. And I didn't have
a visit with anybody. I just chose him to come,
and he came and we did an interview. But I
did it like in a real legal way, right, because
he came to the visit. He visited me like as
if he was a visitor, and we did the interview
in the visit and we didn't record it or anything.
He just wrote it all down and then he wrote
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a killer article about it. You know, there's no rehabilitation whatsoever.
I mean, it was really a killer article. And maybe
maybe Andrew, you could, you could include a link to
that article. I'd be happy to find that article for you,
and you can include a link. Anybody could read it
if they wanted to. But he really this killer article
about how Bill's trying to help the people and blah
blah blah. So anyway, the prison authorities went h shit.
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So the next that was on the ninth. On the tenth,
they come down for a search and I was sitting
in my room on my telephone talking on telephone and
then come down for a search, and I'm like, well,
fuck it. Here, I just like, hear habit, you know,
because I'm not going to try to hide it. You
just saw it, so here have it, so you'll leave
me alone. And I thought, no big deal, you know,
because that in prison here having a cell phone is
when I fought. I let it, which means like a
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light disciplinary infraction, a minimum disciplinary infraction, which like covers
like like they could close you in for twenty four
hours for that, you know, like like not give you
your your exercise time nar or something.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
It's like it's like nothing.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
So the next day on the they came and said, well,
you can't go out, and I'm like I expected that,
but then they left me in and I was locked
in for several days, and then on the fifteenth they
marched me. They came with chains and chained to me
hand and feet, which is something that doesn't happen in
a Panemani in prison very often, and marched me back
to Sector C, to the shithold where I just got
out of. So they did a junta technical, which is
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a trial. They did a trial, and in that trial,
the warden came and she read the charges against me.
She says, on the ninth of January.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Excuse me.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
On the tenth of January, a search was done of
your cell and in your cell was found a telephone.
And I said, yeah, that's true, but the phone is
a you know, a leve. It's not something really not
a big deal. So I don't understand why you're bringing
me back to like maximum security. It's like I tried
to escape or something. And she said, also in your
cell they found a thirty eight caliber handgun and a
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handcuff keyd I'm like, what the fuck, I'm like, I said,
and I thought really quickly, there it's a trial, right,
and she's the judge, and so like the prosecutor in
that trial. Are the guards And so I said, I
want to see the gun. Where's the gun? Because nobody
found a fucking gun on myself and the North Hancokie
Where are these items?
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Where are the photos of these items? Where are they?
Speaker 3 (14:14):
And the guards start squirming And so there was a
guard there that I know is a Christian guy, and
so I said, hey, you Martinez, I said, did you
find a gun in my cell? And he said the
only thing that was found in bill cell was a telephone?
And I'm like, And so the the warden freaks out.
She's like, because this is being recorded by the police.
And I said, I said, like being recorded videoed by
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the police. And so I said, well, what the fuck
am I doing here if there's a bunch of corrupt
assholes are trying to charge me with like escape and
from a prison or something, and I didn't do any
of that, And so she freaks out.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
She's like, why did you send me this? This? This?
Speaker 3 (14:47):
She says to the hid guard, why did you send
me an inform which is like the discipline in form
that's not correct? And she in the prison guard said
because you asked me to like, bitch, we know who
the who the enemy is. You're the one that's trying
to fuck this gout, not us, and so so the
all the charges felt, but they left me in sectorcy.
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I've been here for another six months since January this year.
But again immediately the cops put me back in charge.
I'm in charge of the church, back in charge of everything,
and I'm still fighting to get out. That's my current
situation in a nutshell. I get on with the police,
I don't get on with the head the prison warden.
So well, fuck here we are and that's just all
we do.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
So but it don't matter.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
I just got into a new I mean I just
I just changed cell blocks, like can the last two
weeks in their cell phone signal here? Ha ha, So
thank god for that. So anyway, next question, have there
been any murders since I've been a yes, holy shit
in a handbag? And the second time I said that
in this interview, and there was a couple of this
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is what happened, right, So two pavians in pavions are
cell blocks, two cell blocks begin to fight and they're
in right, their rival gangs ran by rival gangs and
they begin to fight. When I say fight, they mean
that means they're shooting at each other because they're guns
inside of panami in prison, in the hands of prisoners.
Just so you know, that's a very normal thing. So
they start shooting at each other, and holy shit, this
has never happened in Pama. Never what I'm about to
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say has ever happened.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
So so they start shooting each other. That's normal.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
But some second lieutenant police officer just out of school,
they don't know his ass from a hole in the ground,
goes walking through the middle of their gunfire and they
just fill him full of bullets and he's kills it
and he dies. Holy shit, end of the fucking world.
They killed a cop. And not only did they kill
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a cop to kill an officer, and but I mean,
the guys weren't trying to kill the officer. The two
guys that did this rightly in the in the seb
where I am now. Both of them are named Joel,
by the way, and they're both here with me right now.
I'm looking at them as I look out the cell here.
They're on the other side of the prison looking at me. Anyway,
And so so these guys oops, were just you know,
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murdered a dumb ass cop and like what the cops
know that when the gun battles here start, you just
run away.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
They just run away.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
This kid's like, I don't know what he was thinking, like,
walked in the middle of rival game, shooting in each other.
I guess it was natural selection that killed him at
the end of the day. But anyway, so he got killed,
poor bastard. Really, I mean he was a young kids,
like twenty three years old, can you imagine. Anyway, And
uh so they get searching. But when I say they search,
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they don't really search. They they they smash and destroy
and beat the piece of like they took us all outside.
Now I'm not even I'm not even in. There's four
three prisons.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Excuse me.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
There's three prisons where I am. There's La Joya, La Joyita,
and the Lamega Hooya. I'm in the Omega Hoya. The
La Joya, which I can see out the window, is
where this happened. But they didn't they didn't make any
distinction about who was in whatever prison. Everybody got the
same treatment. They marched us outside naked, except for you're
in your underwear. You're underwear and marks us outside, tied
our hands, didn't handcuffs, tied our hands behind our backs,
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pushed their everybody down in the mud, and began spraying
everybody down with pepper spray. And I don't know if
you've ever had that pepper spray on you, but it's
incredibly painful. Incredibly painful. Think about like bathing yourself in
gas gasoline and lighting yourself on fire. That's how painful
it is. Literally, not exaggerating. And so ever, anybody that
like tried to get up and run got the ship
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beat out of them. The goon squads there with the sticks,
you know, and the goon squad it's like it's it's
like it's like a sport. So literally you just have
to deal with it. You have to lay there and vomit.
And it was a very difficult day, you might imagine.
So for the one cop that I killed, they killed
like six prisoners died of none of like what's the
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word suffocation. So but that we don't count here. You know,
this is a concentration camp, but we don't care and
give a fuckers they kill us or not. And so
people who had nothing to do with it at all.
That's one thing that happened. And then they killed a
guy in sectuar area. I'm not even really sure what
that was about. This is another thing that happened. This
is something that happened. Is interesting. There's a guy named
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Jorge Rodriguez. Hoorg Heyrodriguez. I got to know him when
I was in the Extrema and in the booby hatch,
in the crazy place. He's a gay guy, and this
is what happened to him. I wanted to tell his
story because his story merits being told. Actually, history of
marriage is on show, but I'm gonna tell the story anyway.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
They put Jorge.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
The reason they put the gay guys all in one
pavion is because the supposedly straight guys will rape the
gay guys, and that's why they don't put them. They
put all the gay guys together for their own security
and protection, and so they put for some reason, they
took Jorge and they put him in a pavion and
a sublock full of like gang bangers, pan Dieto's and
gang bangers, and so these gang bangers passed him around
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like a party favor for two weeks and finally he
got out. Finally he got out in the visit and
the screen bloody murder that he's been raped like sixty
times a day, and so the cops took him and
stuck him in like a punishment cell. He's getting raped,
so they stick him in a punishment cell. This is
fucking prison in prison in Panaba, I think it's prison
everywhere anyway. So so they come to him and say,
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aren't you pissed off that they rate you? And he says, yes,
but I'm kind of pissed off at you guys too,
because nobody wanted to help me. He said, you no, no,
but it was the prisoner's fault, wasn't it. And he's
like yes, And he's a young kids, I'm like twenty
years old. So they the cops work on him. They're
not cops, they're the prison guards. They'll work on him.
So this prison guard says, don't you want to rat
on them to get back at them, you know, And
so they entice him to rat on them, and this
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is what they do. Yeah, it's unbelievable. I didn't believe it,
and I asked a couple of prison guards. I didn't
believe the story when the first time I heard it.
They dressed him and a prison guard's outfit, and put
one of them ski masks on him that they use
when they come to beat the shit out of you
when they come for searches. They put one of them
ski masks masks on him when them one of them
faced shields on him and marched it. And they took
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everybody out, and they marched him past them. They don't
know that who he is, because he's all dressed up,
you know, and inside and he shows everybody where all
the guns and stuff are in there. Well, it's a
prison in Pam. Wait, it don't take very long for
that news to get out, And so now everybody wants
to kill him. First they raped him, and now they
want to kill him, And so what do they do
with him? They put him in the booby hatch where
I was, and he told his story, and I thought,
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what a fucking bunch of assholes that the guards are,
that they would abuse this kid that way, and the
fact that he's dumb, He don't know shit from shat,
and he's dumb, and he put himself in a situation where,
without really being aware of what was happening to him,
that he would be first be raped and then then
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you know, there's like they want to kill him, and
so that's his situation. Now he's stuck in that in
the booby hatch. He can't leave the booby hatch because
it's the only place where he's protected. So he has
to live. And he's a pretty normal kid. I mean,
I thought he was a pretty normal kid. He's you know,
he's a he's a he'sn't about twenty two years old now.
His name is poor Herodrigg is about twenty two years
old now. He he's kind of he's you know, he's
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a gay guy's a little bit an effeminate man, very
very lights very you know, he's a nice kid anyway.
So so I don't know what will happen, what has
happened him. I haven't had any contact with him and
seek in since January, since they brought me back to
the right to sector of Sea. But that's two of
the two of the biggest things that have happened that
I know of in this prison since I've been here.
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The drug trade on the DENTI the drug trade, which
is controlled by the police and the guards continues. The
arms trade on the inside, which can which is controlled
by the prison guards and and the police police continues
just business as usual when the rest of us are
scratching to eat and scratching to see our loved ones
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and stuff. This is what I did about trying to
get to America, about trying to get to America.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
This is this is the story about that.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
So I got a hold of a public defense attorney
through my cousin. My cousin Amber is like my best
friend in the world, and she lives in Michigan. I
won't say where. She fought to get me set up
with a public defender put a federal and I did.
And I won't mention the public defender's name either because
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I'm not really well. You'll see why at the end
of the story. So anyway, so this woman seemed very
helpful at first, and I tried to get her to
put to pressure the embassy to help me. But the
United States Embassy fucking hates me, and I don't know why.
When Obama was president, and I'm not political, I'm not
an Obama fan. I am not an Obama fan. I
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am not a Trump fan either. When Obama was president,
but we had to tell the truth. When Obama was president,
the embassy was so helpful. Holy shit, they come to
see me every three months, brought me food and stuff.
It brought me food, brought me toiletries like super super wonderful.
I mean, I just I just took it for granted.
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I thought, well, that's just how the American Embassy is.
And the reason I said that is because the Costa
Rican Embassy, of which I know the Costa Rican ambassador
he also is that way with the Costa Rica and
who are in prison here. I thought was it was
just normal for the embassies to be that way, and
and but that, you know, so I took it for
granted that the embassy was so wonderful. Then Trump took
over and put his own Nazis in there. And again,
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I'm not an anti Trump fan. There's things about Trump
I like, actually, and there's things about Obama that I
like as well. But Trump puts some Nazi in here
that decided that prisoners don't deserve anything, and they even
stopped visiting us. They visited us once a year and
they're like, you know, they don't bring us anything. Actually,
the last time they came, they brought me three balls
of vitamins. That was that was actually pretty cool. But
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but but anyway, and so they didn't do nothing. They
won't do nothing. And now that Trump's gone, I don't
know if it's the same if if Uncle Crazy Biden,
Uncle the the I call him Alaelo local, the crazy
grandfather Biden didn't put anybody, didn't. I was expecting that
that maybe the change would come back. You know, I'm
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not political, so I'm not making fun of anybody's politics,
just making fun of people. But I was expecting maybe
that Biden would put but people, then the Embassy would
return to being good again. That didn't happen anyway, And
so finally, finally it took me a year just to
get my paperwork in. I got my paperwork in in July.
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Then I called the defense attorney, the public defender or
the federal public defender. As a lady, I called her
back and she was like, the embassy said that you're
you're you're problematic, that you're problematic, and the embassy said
that you can't believe anything you say, and then she
was a bitch to me from that moment on, and
I'm like, what the fuck, how can this even how
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can this even be? And like my question is why
does the embassy think I'm problematic and and like lying.
Why I haven't ever lied to the embassy or other
than the fact that I killed Americans. I didn't kill
panamanias you know. I was killed American fugitives and so
other other criminals. I killed American criminals, and so maybe,
but I don't know. The Embassy was nice to me
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for a years, and so I don't know what happened.
The short is that they've told me that my being
able to come back to the United States is probably
a fucking pipe dream that's probably not going to happen.
And so I bought a book that I should get
on Thursday. Actually, I bought a book and fought my
ass off to get it here about federal prison, to
be aware of how federal prison is in the United
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States and what to expect and so and so forth,
like what to expect when you're going to federal prison.
That's what the book is. But I think that I
don't know, don't Maybe who knows. The miracles happened to
me all the time, good things happened to me, and
I'm not closing the door on that. But the officials
are like, there's pretty much no way that they're going
to approve you, but we'll process your paperwork anyway. So
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that's what happened with that. I'd say something, if you
ever get put in fucking prison in a foreign country,
don't let it be Panama, for like a lot of
different reasons. One because how bad the prison system is.
But two but how shitty the embassy takes care of
their people here. And it ain't just me, It ain't
just me. There was my idea. Actually, dear friend of mine,
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I wasn't my friend when he came in to prison.
I didn't know him named Rigo. I won't give the
rest of his name or anything, but he was a
fella in Florida who the embassy had arrested here in Panama,
was wanted, and they took him back to Florida, and
and he can't he would know about how terrible the
Panama and the authorities treat Americans and how shitty.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
The embassy is.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
And then and then another friend of mine who's doing
time in cheaty Ki and I also want. His name
is Ryan, but I won't give him any He isn't
information either, that motherfucker that he They won't help him
at all either. I won't help him at all, And
it wouldn't used to be that way. It used to
help everybody. I got a a Facebook group called Friends
of Brother Bill. Come and find me on Friends of
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Brother Bill, especially if you're feminine and cute. I like
them anyway. That's a joke. I'm a horny bastard. But
it is a joke anyway. So, but it is true. Actually,
I've got like, there's there's there's in a moment, there's
someone who has my interests captured if you want the truth.
But anyway, so, but if you want to talk to me,
you can come and converse with me.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
I want to talk to you. Listen.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
I got a book written out called long Live the
King Wild Bill. I'm asking Andrew if he'll post those
two links, the link to my Facebook group and the
link to my book, long Live the King Wild Bill
in this in the description box. So you pull a
description box down and you figure out how to get
a hold of me, and you want to know what
I'm about. You want to know what my religion is about.
You want to know about what it's like to be
in a Panamanian prison. Check out Long Live the King
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Wild Bill. It's about my first year in prison and
my escape, my original escape from justice, my capture, which
was insane in Nicaragua, time in Nicaragua, in prison, time
in Panamanian prison. It's a million of one thousand and
one murders, sexual sexual exploits with hookers during prison transfers,
all kinds of shit like that is in there, and
it's all true. And I wrote it myself. I wrote
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it myself anyway, and so it's all there. It's my
first attempt. I got a second book. If you're a publisher,
if you're somebody who works with prisoners, if you're somebody
who works in true crime, and want to publish a
book I wrote called Concentration Camp two thousand about Panamanian prison, Well,
bring your drag your ass over to Facebook and get
a hold of me, and so let's talk, because I've
got this killer book, second book written that I need
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to get edited and I need to get published. But
I don't really want to self publish it. I want
to become a published author. So hey, guys, I love
each and every one of Thank you, guys, Jesus Christlosi,
I love you too. I'm brother wild Bill. A lot
of people hate me but I don't give a fuck.
I'll be straight with you, and so I'm really looking
forward to the rest of my life. It's going to
be good. I'm getting out of prison someday. And anyway,
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lock up your daughters, lock up your wives, lock up
your back door, and run for your life. Anyway, Love
you guys, I'll catch you on the other side.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
That was my interview with wild Bill. For extra content
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Welcome non Forbidden truth. I'm Andrew. Today I'll be speaking
with convicted serial killer William Holbert aka Wild Bill, about
how his life has been in a Panamanian prison. Bill
speaks about some of the homicides that I've recently taken
place there and how his efforts have been trying to
be transferred to the United States to serve the remainder
of his prison sentence. William Dathan Holbert, also known as
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Wild Bill, as an American criminal notorious for his involvement
in a series of murders in Central America. Born in
nineteen seventy eight, Hulbert initially lived a life marked by
petty crimes and a series of failed ventures. His criminal
activities escalated when he moved to Central America, where he
began a spree of violent crimes. Bill's most infamous acts
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was his involvement in the murders of several people, including
his business partners and acquaintances, whom he killed to steal
their assets. His crimes, which were driven by greed and
desire to evade legal troubles, ultimately led to his capture.
Hubert was arrested in twenty ten and subsequently sentenced to
forty six years in a Panamanian prison for his Haydens acts.
His case garnered significant media attention due to the brutal
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nature of his crimes in his dramatic capture. Here's my
interview with serial killer William Holbert aka wild Bill. So Bill,
we haven't spoken over a year now. How has your
life been in a Panamanian prison since then? And has
there been any murders or gang wars since we last spoke?
I know the prison you're in is pretty notorious for
gang violence. Last, but not least, how have your efforts
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been in regard to trying to get transferred into America
to serve the remainder of your prison sentence?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Hey, everybody's me broly well gone back? How have I been?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Has life been in a Panama since prisons? A lot
of shit's happened men, since the last time have been on.
I don't know when. It was, probably like or something
of last year, in July of last year.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
This is what.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Happened to me. I'll try try to explain it. I
was in secrecy, which is like the worst place you
can be in a penmanay men, in prison, it's like
super mix, Right, there's only twenty cells in each sublock,
and there's one man do a cell, and it's like
solitary confinement.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Then I let you out an hour a day.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
But I had a job, actually had a job. I
had a really good situation. But I was in Sector City.
I don't want to be there, right, I shouldn't be there.
And like I'm there with all the killers and all
the work. I mean, I'm a killer, you know, but
but I mean, like I behave really well. And so
there's a lot of gun battles and shit that happened
here and and literally between prisoners. Anyway, So I fought
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like hell with the help of the United States Embassy
in this time period to get out of secrecy and
the prison this is like a movie, you know, because
the prison has this warden named Linda Morea, and she
is an ex police officer. He's retired ex police commissioner.
So they could they possibly put anybody worse in charge
of a prison than a fucking police commissioner, Like a
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person who spent their whole life apprehending and mistreating criminals.
That's who they're going to put in charge of taking
care of our human rights? What the fuck? Anyway, so
that's what they did. And she is a piece of work,
let me tell you.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
And so.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
She became angry because she said, no, I couldn't care.
I had to stay secret.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
See.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
But I went over her head and the people above
her said, let Bill out. He's cool, he's doing a
good job. He's the pastor there, and he's not ever
caused any problems, so let him out. So this is
what they did. They came and did like an interview
with mental her, and the head of security came and
did an interview with me and said, well, we're gonna
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let you out and you go to Sector B. But
I got a lot of friends in Sector B, which
is like a medium security sector. So I was like
super excited about it, like cool. And my friend Charlie also,
uh was gonna get out, and so so we were
going to go together and go to to a sub
block down there in the bottom. It was got like
two hundred guys in it, you know, and and and
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like it was gonna be like I was, I already
had it in my mind how it was going to be,
how it was gonna be so fucking cool, you know.
So so I left the church in the hands of
a friend of mine, and because I'm the pastor of
the church on the inside, if you didn't know, and
I know that seems strange that I that I would
be the pastor of a church, but but I preach uh.
I preached Jesus Christ, and I preach the law of attraction,
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both things, and I think that that's what Jesus Christ
actually preached. I don't want to get off on the
tangent about religion right now, but but so so we
we believe in and being the change you want to be.
If you want to be loved, if you want good
things in your life, you have to be love. You
have to act treat other people that way. And so
that's what we preach. And we've got a really good church.
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And so I left it in the hands of a
friend of mine and we me and Charlie packed up
Parshit and went upstairs to wait on the the Because
Sector C. This is hard to explain, but Sector C
is ran by the police, the National Police of Panama.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
So it's like a really hard ass place, you know,
and and.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
When you go to to a regular prison there, it's
run by civilian guards just like an American like CEO's
correctional officers, not by police.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
But the police here are cool with.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Me, you know, they'd been had I was here for
five years and they're they're cool, you know, say, let
me do as much as they can, you know, as far.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
As with the church and stuff. And so so we
go upstairs.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
We're waiting, so the warden comes, the lady warden comes,
which forgive me for Sam. You may not like what
I'm about to say, but it's a terrible fucking idea
to put a woman in charge of a men's prison.
And just like it's a terrible idea to put a
man in charge of a woman's prison.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
That shouldn't be that way. I don't care.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
I know we're in the twenty first century or whatever,
but it shouldn't be that way. Because, having having dealt
with lots of women in war and men wardens, the
men wardens are more understanding. The women wardens feels like that.
She feels like that she has to be harder than
anybody else so that the men will respect her, because
she has not an inferiority complex necessarily, but she has
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a fear that someone might see her as weak. And
a man doesn't have this problem. And a man in
charge of a women's prison is a good idea either
because he fucks all the girls. And that's happened here
in Panama many times, that the prison warden is a
man in a women's prison. And what a great job
for a man, you know, because like bring that bitch
in here and so and so. Anyway, I'm sorry you
may find these things politically incorrect, but I'm a dinosaur
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from the old age and I just tell it like
it is, and I don't think that anyway. So she
comes in and so we're like excited, we're all happy,
and she sees us happy and you can just see
that that pisces her off. And so the head of security,
the headguard comes in with her and says, you guys
are going to extreme security and Sector B. And I'm
like what that's like the that's like the booby hatch.
It's like where they put people who are crazy. I'm
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like what, and like why would we go there? And
he says, well, we're gonna we're gonna evaluate you. And
I said, oh cool. So it'll be like like fifteen
thirty days fifteen days or thirty days or something like that,
right to get evaluated and then and then you'll move
us to where we want to go. And he's like,
not necessarily. And I'm like, well, what do you mean,
Why are we going to the Why are we going
to the like the mental ward. There's nothing. We're not crazy,
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you know. And so I'm like, you know what, fuck it,
I'm not worried about it. Let's go. So my friend
Charlie balked. He wouldn't go. He didn't want to go.
He was afraid. And I'm like, you know me, I'm
while Bill. So I'm like, well, I'm gonna go. So
I went, Holy horseshit in a handbag. The place had
sixteen cells and fifty eight men. And when I say
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something like little bitty ass one man cells, it had
one man cells with one bed. Each cell had like
five guys in it.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Looking I was.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Something to think about. Being while Bill. They gave me
my own cell, which was okay. But these guys are crazy.
They literally are not in saying, there's three classes of
men who are in that cell block. Crazy motherfuckers that
are so crazy that they throw shit at each other
and piss at each other through the door and stuff.
I'm not not joking, like like you walk by and
they throw shit on you like they're crazy, like like
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like one guy thinks she's a dog crazy. I'm not joking.
And then there are the rats, the ones that have
ratted on other people and everybody wants to kill they're there.
How wonderful that is. And then there are like a
bunch of gay guys there that like there's there's like
a there's like a there's a pathy on a cell
block of homosexuals. And they're cool. I get they're just
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part of the integral part of the prison right, but
they separate them. And but when one of their got
their people behaves really poorly and the other ones can't
the other the other the other gay guys can't support,
can't can't deal with that person, they send them to
that place. So you got like crazy transvestines, crazy prisoners,
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and the rats. And they put me in there, and
I'm like, what the well anyway, so immediately everybody elected
me as they're pastoring their leader.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
So like I was there.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
I got there on the twenty fourth of July twenty
twenty three last year, and and I stayed there for
five months. And during that time period, nobody they wouldn't
let anybody out of prison. They wouldn't let anybody out
of the out of the cells. Excuse me, like, like
everybody's locked in twenty four hours a day, seven days
a week. So I put in a ridge to the
to the Supreme Court, which was answered, and they said
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they have to give everybody there two hours of day
of patio. I became like the champion, you know, they
thought the man like, I'm like a wizard. You know that,
I can't believe bill let us, let got us let loose.
So I started doing that, you know, I started taking
care of them they put. I organized the groups to guards.
Prison guards everywhere always loved me immediately because I'm corrupt
as hell, and I give money to the prison guards.
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That's one thing. And then another thing is I do
everything I can possibly do to make everything run smoothly
for the guards. The guards end up literally literally like
I'm like Joseph in the Bible. The guards literally end
up giving me the key ring to let people went
and out of their own cells and stuff, and so
like they don't have to do anything. A guy goes
and sits on his ass in there and drinks Coca
cola that I just bought. So you know, he's the
prison guards. I never have a problem with prison guards, cops, whatever,
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any kind of prison guard, I never have a problem.
They always help anyway. So so I started running the
church that we saw. We organized another church there and
trying to you're talking about the saddest, most horrible situation.
I mean, like, there's a guy named named Miguel there
that we call MA and Mi had lived in Texas.
He was a Panamanian black guy, like an African Panamanian,
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and he lived in Texas for a while and spoke
perfect English. But mine was crazy as a bed bug.
But he wasn't crazy. He was crazy, but he wasn't creaking.
It's like functional, you know. But my gut, how they
treated him so badly, the guards and stuff like that,
And so I worked on trying to get that straightened
out as well. Like this guy doesn't need to be
in prison. He needs to be in like a Manicomeo
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a place where like a mental institution where can help him,
cause he's not a bad guy. And like if you
gave him some medication or something, he'd be okay. It's
like when there isn't any medication when he's like nuts
and like the Panamanics can't can't follow that trying to
train of thought anyway, And so so I had some
help from the prisoners to the actual prison of the church.
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Of the prisoners there came in and helped, helped a
lot with the hang on. I'm reading these questions as
they come in, okay, and so anyway, so I tried
to help these people, right, and one day in I
see it was in January this year, on the tenth
of January this year, no the ninth, a man came
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named Didier from d Idea, which is the biggest newspaper
in Panama, came to the visit. And I didn't have
a visit with anybody. I just chose him to come,
and he came and we did an interview. But I
did it like in a real legal way, right, because
he came to the visit. He visited me like as
if he was a visitor, and we did the interview
in the visit and we didn't record it or anything.
He just wrote it all down and then he wrote
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a killer article about it. You know, there's no rehabilitation whatsoever.
I mean, it was really a killer article. And maybe
maybe Andrew, you could, you could include a link to
that article. I'd be happy to find that article for you,
and you can include a link. Anybody could read it
if they wanted to. But he really this killer article
about how Bill's trying to help the people and blah
blah blah. So anyway, the prison authorities went h shit.
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So the next that was on the ninth. On the tenth,
they come down for a search and I was sitting
in my room on my telephone talking on telephone and
then come down for a search, and I'm like, well,
fuck it. Here, I just like, hear habit, you know,
because I'm not going to try to hide it. You
just saw it, so here have it, so you'll leave
me alone. And I thought, no big deal, you know,
because that in prison here having a cell phone is
when I fought. I let it, which means like a
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light disciplinary infraction, a minimum disciplinary infraction, which like covers
like like they could close you in for twenty four
hours for that, you know, like like not give you
your your exercise time nar or something.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
It's like it's like nothing.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
So the next day on the they came and said, well,
you can't go out, and I'm like I expected that,
but then they left me in and I was locked
in for several days, and then on the fifteenth they
marched me. They came with chains and chained to me
hand and feet, which is something that doesn't happen in
a Panemani in prison very often, and marched me back
to Sector C, to the shithold where I just got
out of. So they did a junta technical, which is
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a trial. They did a trial, and in that trial,
the warden came and she read the charges against me.
She says, on the ninth of January.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Excuse me.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
On the tenth of January, a search was done of
your cell and in your cell was found a telephone.
And I said, yeah, that's true, but the phone is
a you know, a leve. It's not something really not
a big deal. So I don't understand why you're bringing
me back to like maximum security. It's like I tried
to escape or something. And she said, also in your
cell they found a thirty eight caliber handgun and a
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handcuff keyd I'm like, what the fuck, I'm like, I said,
and I thought really quickly, there it's a trial, right,
and she's the judge, and so like the prosecutor in
that trial. Are the guards And so I said, I
want to see the gun. Where's the gun? Because nobody
found a fucking gun on myself and the North Hancokie
Where are these items?
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Where are the photos of these items? Where are they?
Speaker 3 (14:14):
And the guards start squirming And so there was a
guard there that I know is a Christian guy, and
so I said, hey, you Martinez, I said, did you
find a gun in my cell? And he said the
only thing that was found in bill cell was a telephone?
And I'm like, And so the the warden freaks out.
She's like, because this is being recorded by the police.
And I said, I said, like being recorded videoed by
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the police. And so I said, well, what the fuck
am I doing here if there's a bunch of corrupt
assholes are trying to charge me with like escape and
from a prison or something, and I didn't do any
of that, And so she freaks out.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
She's like, why did you send me this? This? This?
Speaker 3 (14:47):
She says to the hid guard, why did you send
me an inform which is like the discipline in form
that's not correct? And she in the prison guard said
because you asked me to like, bitch, we know who
the who the enemy is. You're the one that's trying
to fuck this gout, not us, and so so the
all the charges felt, but they left me in sectorcy.
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I've been here for another six months since January this year.
But again immediately the cops put me back in charge.
I'm in charge of the church, back in charge of everything,
and I'm still fighting to get out. That's my current
situation in a nutshell. I get on with the police,
I don't get on with the head the prison warden.
So well, fuck here we are and that's just all
we do.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
So but it don't matter.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
I just got into a new I mean I just
I just changed cell blocks, like can the last two
weeks in their cell phone signal here? Ha ha, So
thank god for that. So anyway, next question, have there
been any murders since I've been a yes, holy shit
in a handbag? And the second time I said that
in this interview, and there was a couple of this
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is what happened, right, So two pavians in pavions are
cell blocks, two cell blocks begin to fight and they're
in right, their rival gangs ran by rival gangs and
they begin to fight. When I say fight, they mean
that means they're shooting at each other because they're guns
inside of panami in prison, in the hands of prisoners.
Just so you know, that's a very normal thing. So
they start shooting at each other, and holy shit, this
has never happened in Pama. Never what I'm about to
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say has ever happened.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
So so they start shooting each other. That's normal.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
But some second lieutenant police officer just out of school,
they don't know his ass from a hole in the ground,
goes walking through the middle of their gunfire and they
just fill him full of bullets and he's kills it
and he dies. Holy shit, end of the fucking world.
They killed a cop. And not only did they kill
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a cop to kill an officer, and but I mean,
the guys weren't trying to kill the officer. The two
guys that did this rightly in the in the seb
where I am now. Both of them are named Joel,
by the way, and they're both here with me right now.
I'm looking at them as I look out the cell here.
They're on the other side of the prison looking at me. Anyway,
And so so these guys oops, were just you know,
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murdered a dumb ass cop and like what the cops
know that when the gun battles here start, you just
run away.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
They just run away.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
This kid's like, I don't know what he was thinking, like,
walked in the middle of rival game, shooting in each other.
I guess it was natural selection that killed him at
the end of the day. But anyway, so he got killed,
poor bastard. Really, I mean he was a young kids,
like twenty three years old, can you imagine. Anyway, And
uh so they get searching. But when I say they search,
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they don't really search. They they they smash and destroy
and beat the piece of like they took us all outside.
Now I'm not even I'm not even in. There's four
three prisons.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Excuse me.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
There's three prisons where I am. There's La Joya, La Joyita,
and the Lamega Hooya. I'm in the Omega Hoya. The
La Joya, which I can see out the window, is
where this happened. But they didn't they didn't make any
distinction about who was in whatever prison. Everybody got the
same treatment. They marched us outside naked, except for you're
in your underwear. You're underwear and marks us outside, tied
our hands, didn't handcuffs, tied our hands behind our backs,
(17:59):
pushed their everybody down in the mud, and began spraying
everybody down with pepper spray. And I don't know if
you've ever had that pepper spray on you, but it's
incredibly painful. Incredibly painful. Think about like bathing yourself in
gas gasoline and lighting yourself on fire. That's how painful
it is. Literally, not exaggerating. And so ever, anybody that
like tried to get up and run got the ship
(18:21):
beat out of them. The goon squads there with the sticks,
you know, and the goon squad it's like it's it's
like it's like a sport. So literally you just have
to deal with it. You have to lay there and vomit.
And it was a very difficult day, you might imagine.
So for the one cop that I killed, they killed
like six prisoners died of none of like what's the
(18:42):
word suffocation. So but that we don't count here. You know,
this is a concentration camp, but we don't care and
give a fuckers they kill us or not. And so
people who had nothing to do with it at all.
That's one thing that happened. And then they killed a
guy in sectuar area. I'm not even really sure what
that was about. This is another thing that happened. This
is something that happened. Is interesting. There's a guy named
(19:04):
Jorge Rodriguez. Hoorg Heyrodriguez. I got to know him when
I was in the Extrema and in the booby hatch,
in the crazy place. He's a gay guy, and this
is what happened to him. I wanted to tell his
story because his story merits being told. Actually, history of
marriage is on show, but I'm gonna tell the story anyway.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
They put Jorge.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
The reason they put the gay guys all in one
pavion is because the supposedly straight guys will rape the
gay guys, and that's why they don't put them. They
put all the gay guys together for their own security
and protection, and so they put for some reason, they
took Jorge and they put him in a pavion and
a sublock full of like gang bangers, pan Dieto's and
gang bangers, and so these gang bangers passed him around
(19:43):
like a party favor for two weeks and finally he
got out. Finally he got out in the visit and
the screen bloody murder that he's been raped like sixty
times a day, and so the cops took him and
stuck him in like a punishment cell. He's getting raped,
so they stick him in a punishment cell. This is
fucking prison in prison in Panaba, I think it's prison
everywhere anyway. So so they come to him and say,
(20:08):
aren't you pissed off that they rate you? And he says, yes,
but I'm kind of pissed off at you guys too,
because nobody wanted to help me. He said, you no, no,
but it was the prisoner's fault, wasn't it. And he's
like yes, And he's a young kids, I'm like twenty
years old. So they the cops work on him. They're
not cops, they're the prison guards. They'll work on him.
So this prison guard says, don't you want to rat
on them to get back at them, you know, And
so they entice him to rat on them, and this
(20:30):
is what they do. Yeah, it's unbelievable. I didn't believe it,
and I asked a couple of prison guards. I didn't
believe the story when the first time I heard it.
They dressed him and a prison guard's outfit, and put
one of them ski masks on him that they use
when they come to beat the shit out of you
when they come for searches. They put one of them
ski masks masks on him when them one of them
faced shields on him and marched it. And they took
(20:51):
everybody out, and they marched him past them. They don't
know that who he is, because he's all dressed up,
you know, and inside and he shows everybody where all
the guns and stuff are in there. Well, it's a
prison in Pam. Wait, it don't take very long for
that news to get out, And so now everybody wants
to kill him. First they raped him, and now they
want to kill him, And so what do they do
with him? They put him in the booby hatch where
I was, and he told his story, and I thought,
(21:12):
what a fucking bunch of assholes that the guards are,
that they would abuse this kid that way, and the
fact that he's dumb, He don't know shit from shat,
and he's dumb, and he put himself in a situation where,
without really being aware of what was happening to him,
that he would be first be raped and then then
(21:33):
you know, there's like they want to kill him, and
so that's his situation. Now he's stuck in that in
the booby hatch. He can't leave the booby hatch because
it's the only place where he's protected. So he has
to live. And he's a pretty normal kid. I mean,
I thought he was a pretty normal kid. He's you know,
he's a he's a he'sn't about twenty two years old now.
His name is poor Herodrigg is about twenty two years
old now. He he's kind of he's you know, he's
(21:56):
a gay guy's a little bit an effeminate man, very
very lights very you know, he's a nice kid anyway.
So so I don't know what will happen, what has
happened him. I haven't had any contact with him and
seek in since January, since they brought me back to
the right to sector of Sea. But that's two of
the two of the biggest things that have happened that
I know of in this prison since I've been here.
(22:18):
The drug trade on the DENTI the drug trade, which
is controlled by the police and the guards continues. The
arms trade on the inside, which can which is controlled
by the prison guards and and the police police continues
just business as usual when the rest of us are
scratching to eat and scratching to see our loved ones
(22:39):
and stuff. This is what I did about trying to
get to America, about trying to get to America.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
This is this is the story about that.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
So I got a hold of a public defense attorney
through my cousin. My cousin Amber is like my best
friend in the world, and she lives in Michigan. I
won't say where. She fought to get me set up
with a public defender put a federal and I did.
And I won't mention the public defender's name either because
(23:08):
I'm not really well. You'll see why at the end
of the story. So anyway, so this woman seemed very
helpful at first, and I tried to get her to
put to pressure the embassy to help me. But the
United States Embassy fucking hates me, and I don't know why.
When Obama was president, and I'm not political, I'm not
an Obama fan. I am not an Obama fan. I
(23:29):
am not a Trump fan either. When Obama was president,
but we had to tell the truth. When Obama was president,
the embassy was so helpful. Holy shit, they come to
see me every three months, brought me food and stuff.
It brought me food, brought me toiletries like super super wonderful.
I mean, I just I just took it for granted.
(23:51):
I thought, well, that's just how the American Embassy is.
And the reason I said that is because the Costa
Rican Embassy, of which I know the Costa Rican ambassador
he also is that way with the Costa Rica and
who are in prison here. I thought was it was
just normal for the embassies to be that way, and
and but that, you know, so I took it for
granted that the embassy was so wonderful. Then Trump took
over and put his own Nazis in there. And again,
(24:12):
I'm not an anti Trump fan. There's things about Trump
I like, actually, and there's things about Obama that I
like as well. But Trump puts some Nazi in here
that decided that prisoners don't deserve anything, and they even
stopped visiting us. They visited us once a year and
they're like, you know, they don't bring us anything. Actually,
the last time they came, they brought me three balls
of vitamins. That was that was actually pretty cool. But
(24:33):
but but anyway, and so they didn't do nothing. They
won't do nothing. And now that Trump's gone, I don't
know if it's the same if if Uncle Crazy Biden,
Uncle the the I call him Alaelo local, the crazy
grandfather Biden didn't put anybody, didn't. I was expecting that
that maybe the change would come back. You know, I'm
(24:53):
not political, so I'm not making fun of anybody's politics,
just making fun of people. But I was expecting maybe
that Biden would put but people, then the Embassy would
return to being good again. That didn't happen anyway, And
so finally, finally it took me a year just to
get my paperwork in. I got my paperwork in in July.
(25:14):
Then I called the defense attorney, the public defender or
the federal public defender. As a lady, I called her
back and she was like, the embassy said that you're
you're you're problematic, that you're problematic, and the embassy said
that you can't believe anything you say, and then she
was a bitch to me from that moment on, and
I'm like, what the fuck, how can this even how
(25:39):
can this even be? And like my question is why
does the embassy think I'm problematic and and like lying.
Why I haven't ever lied to the embassy or other
than the fact that I killed Americans. I didn't kill
panamanias you know. I was killed American fugitives and so
other other criminals. I killed American criminals, and so maybe,
but I don't know. The Embassy was nice to me
(25:59):
for a years, and so I don't know what happened.
The short is that they've told me that my being
able to come back to the United States is probably
a fucking pipe dream that's probably not going to happen.
And so I bought a book that I should get
on Thursday. Actually, I bought a book and fought my
ass off to get it here about federal prison, to
be aware of how federal prison is in the United
(26:21):
States and what to expect and so and so forth,
like what to expect when you're going to federal prison.
That's what the book is. But I think that I
don't know, don't Maybe who knows. The miracles happened to
me all the time, good things happened to me, and
I'm not closing the door on that. But the officials
are like, there's pretty much no way that they're going
to approve you, but we'll process your paperwork anyway. So
(26:42):
that's what happened with that. I'd say something, if you
ever get put in fucking prison in a foreign country,
don't let it be Panama, for like a lot of
different reasons. One because how bad the prison system is.
But two but how shitty the embassy takes care of
their people here. And it ain't just me, It ain't
just me. There was my idea. Actually, dear friend of mine,
(27:02):
I wasn't my friend when he came in to prison.
I didn't know him named Rigo. I won't give the
rest of his name or anything, but he was a
fella in Florida who the embassy had arrested here in Panama,
was wanted, and they took him back to Florida, and
and he can't he would know about how terrible the
Panama and the authorities treat Americans and how shitty.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
The embassy is.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
And then and then another friend of mine who's doing
time in cheaty Ki and I also want. His name
is Ryan, but I won't give him any He isn't
information either, that motherfucker that he They won't help him
at all either. I won't help him at all, And
it wouldn't used to be that way. It used to
help everybody. I got a a Facebook group called Friends
of Brother Bill. Come and find me on Friends of
(27:43):
Brother Bill, especially if you're feminine and cute. I like
them anyway. That's a joke. I'm a horny bastard. But
it is a joke anyway. So, but it is true. Actually,
I've got like, there's there's there's in a moment, there's
someone who has my interests captured if you want the truth.
But anyway, so, but if you want to talk to me,
you can come and converse with me.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
I want to talk to you. Listen.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
I got a book written out called long Live the
King Wild Bill. I'm asking Andrew if he'll post those
two links, the link to my Facebook group and the
link to my book, long Live the King Wild Bill
in this in the description box. So you pull a
description box down and you figure out how to get
a hold of me, and you want to know what
I'm about. You want to know what my religion is about.
You want to know about what it's like to be
in a Panamanian prison. Check out Long Live the King
(28:27):
Wild Bill. It's about my first year in prison and
my escape, my original escape from justice, my capture, which
was insane in Nicaragua, time in Nicaragua, in prison, time
in Panamanian prison. It's a million of one thousand and
one murders, sexual sexual exploits with hookers during prison transfers,
all kinds of shit like that is in there, and
it's all true. And I wrote it myself. I wrote
(28:48):
it myself anyway, and so it's all there. It's my
first attempt. I got a second book. If you're a publisher,
if you're somebody who works with prisoners, if you're somebody
who works in true crime, and want to publish a
book I wrote called Concentration Camp two thousand about Panamanian prison, Well,
bring your drag your ass over to Facebook and get
a hold of me, and so let's talk, because I've
got this killer book, second book written that I need
(29:09):
to get edited and I need to get published. But
I don't really want to self publish it. I want
to become a published author. So hey, guys, I love
each and every one of Thank you, guys, Jesus Christlosi,
I love you too. I'm brother wild Bill. A lot
of people hate me but I don't give a fuck.
I'll be straight with you, and so I'm really looking
forward to the rest of my life. It's going to
be good. I'm getting out of prison someday. And anyway,
(29:31):
lock up your daughters, lock up your wives, lock up
your back door, and run for your life. Anyway, Love
you guys, I'll catch you on the other side.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
That was my interview with wild Bill. For extra content
at free episodes, merch and more, head on over to
Unforbidden truth dot com. Thank you for listening. Catch you
on the next one.
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