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On June 30, 2008, in the Circuit Court of the City of Portsmouth, Demetrius L. Neely was convicted on multiple drug‑ and firearm‑related counts. Those convictions included: possession of cocaine with intent to distribute (second offense), possession of a firearm by a convicted felon, possession of a Schedule I/II controlled substance while in possession of a firearm, and possession of marijuana. For these crimes, he received a total sentence of 50 years and six months, with nine years suspended.

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Speaker 1 (00:24):
My name Dimchi is nearly everybody call me means you know,
that's my Muslim names means believe everything.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
I think I had a pretty decent upbringing.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
U my mom and my dad I lived in the house,
and both of them they was married. You know. My
dad from Canda, New Jersey. My mom from portsmornth Virginia.
My dad you are.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
You always joke around and say I'm from you know,
two of the most dangerous cities on.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
The East Coast is Canda, you know, black people me
with cand New Jersey and how that was. And Portsman
is one of the worst, most dangerous seas in Virginia.
So everything was smooth and I had a pretty much
good upbringing until finally when I was like ten twelve
years old. Ten about ten years old, I had a

(01:14):
tragic accident. And my brother that tragedy, he drowned, you know,
and I was there, you know, we was going out
ice skating as kids, you know, you know, lake froze old.
We got there an ice skating feeling like the lake
and he drowned me that, you know, and it seemed
like from that point on, you know, everything went left.

(01:37):
You know, if you look at pontifically when a family
losing a child, especially parents who try to usually end
up in divorce.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
It's like that, you know, and make the tiction go
up for like ninety percent or.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Higher, you know, And you know everybody was trying to
cooping you all way. My dad started drinking. My mom
left them, so me and my mom we moved back
to to fire the grandma house. My grandma said, I
was neighborhood in postal called London notes in people Virginia
and for me, but that's one of the worst neighborhoods
in portsmal, you know. So that's the environment I.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Grew up in dealing with that. So, you know, as
I'm an adult now, I'm starting to see how what happened.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
To me affected my decision making because I was always
the one willing to do the most riskiest, wildest thing,
you know what I'm saying, because you know now I
know that I was just trying to like math the
pain I was going through with adrenaline, you know what
I'm saying, Like, you know, anything that can make me
forget about what I'm experiencing, and really, don't nobody else

(02:43):
know what I'm experiencing, you know, all my colchest family
friends know how to brother dad was good guy in
the neighborhood. They alway know, you know. So you know,
I think I was a drenaline junker at the early
age and it has led me to a life or
you know, started spinning cars and like my first still
up store, the cons out like when I was like
thirteen years old.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Went up state, you know, just getting caught up.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
In the system at an early age, dealing with that.
So that was my upbringing, you know, started off good.
Tragic actually happened. Things were left and you know, and
that's where it ended me up in you know, in
the project reports, was trying to deal with it like that.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
Okay, So besides the brother that passed away from drowning,
do you have any other siblings?

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Yeah, I got two sisters, Mea and nage nearly you know,
they was they were younger. They wasn't born to probably
so I'm like ten years old.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
And so they wasn't born to a few years after
that they never know, you know what I'm saying. They
was born like maybe three or four years after he died.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
So yeah, okay, so it didn't really affect them obviously
since they were so since they weren't born yet.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
Yeah, they just known pictures and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Okay, so you mentioned you mentioned a little bit of
uh being being involved in the juvenile justice system. You
said stealing cars, right, yeah, yeah, that was.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
My first love foray into the you know, the juvenile
justice mom, you know that. Of course I went up
state for stolen car, you.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Know, and that was another experience.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
You know, at that early age, I'm a mumble, you know,
but just being you know, he's thirteen years old. I
have a child, a daughter at seventeen. So when I
think about her when she was thirteen, I can't imagine.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Her going and you know what I'm saying. So I'm
like looking at myself.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
At that age, like wow, you know, being locked down,
you know in wal.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
From a Virginia like as soon as you come into
the system, when you go up state, it's like.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
It's a beat you gotta be if.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
You're from a certain area of Virginia.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
The Tidewater area, you gotta be. For the guys from Richmond,
you know what I'm saying, then the guys from northern Virginia.
And it was like we fighting on site and then
time to get a champ. You're fighting, like what this
was going on? And that was the kind of environment
of you know, the juvenile process. You know, we just
you know, we just acting out. That's how it was,

(05:25):
you know. But I know I managed to excel and
I got my ged young you know, you know somebody
we could you know, older to kid. I got it
when I was you know, upstate. So and I got
a trade in brick Mason and I tried to cut
you know, still about the freight and I did what
that supposed did you know? I came home from that.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
So besides besides the stealing cars and like other things
were you were you convicted of anything like did you
go to juvenile prison or did you go to juvenile
detention up until you were like seventeen eighteen anything like that.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
No, I went to juvenile prison.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
You know, we called upstate.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
I went to juvenile prison twice.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
I went up for one time for centocous and then
you know I went again for possession with it to distribute,
you know, and I did like eight months the first
time and then twelve months or second time.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
Yeah, okay, So that was that was that the was
that the extent of everything as juvenile before you turned eighteen.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
Yeah, uh huh. It's a bunch of you know, dealing
with that. But like you said, you know the juvenile system,
you know, it just it was just chaotic back then,
you know it going old, it seemed like one of
old focus on you know, rehabilitation. You really had to
focus on getting your ted or going to school because

(06:55):
you know, all that was going was just you know,
you know, you put it on the juveniles. Yeah, you
don't be fighting and doing wild you know, That's what
that was about.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
So what about after turning eighteen up until the case
you're in prison for now, Like what were you doing
in which you were either charged with and charges were
dropped in or charged with and convicted of.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Well, like I said, didn't with these things. No. I
was living in Portsville, Virginia and coming up and I
would say I always just tracked. You know, I always
try to.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Get a job.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
You know, I'm my first job of kids. See, I
worked there for about a month or two, and I'll
try to get a shot. You know what I'm saying.
I know that guy's never had a job in life,
but you know, I always.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Try to provas my fan I have my first son
when I was I.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
Think I was like nineteen right, get right out of dad.
I had twins and my youngest son, Dominique, he was
a twin. I can meet you. She passed away around
this period, you know, And so I'm trying to, like,
you know, get money. My whole mind tell us get money.
I need to, you know, get out.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
These projects were staying out, the project reports whom we.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Gotta get out of here and get my kids like
you know all that. And that was my first time.
I went to put this in for bank robbers and
I went to federal prison for bank robbers around there.
That was started around actually the same month my probably
about a month after my first son, my youngest son

(08:32):
was born. You know, My mind was I needed some money.
We gotta get through something. I got a twin, you
know what I'm saying. When my thought ain't make it,
I'm going through these things. And we just came up
with a stupid idea to do that. And I actually
did went to federal prison. Behind that did seven years
of feederal prison.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
And what was what was the what was the first
bank robbery and just stay prison? How many years was that?

Speaker 1 (08:59):
No? That was that was. That was the first one,
my first, you know, and the only bank robber child
got sent the seven years of federal prison.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
What made federal.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Well, you know banks, if a bank is federally is sure,
you know, the fdi C or something like that. If
a bank is sure by the federal government, if you
rob that bank, they're gonna give you a federal case.
You know what I'm saying, can pick it up, you know,
and ranny in some case they decided not to pick
it up. But usually you know, a bank robbery that's

(09:33):
is sure bank that's is sure about a federal You're
gonna get a federal charge for.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
That, okay. And I'm assuming you used like a p
P while while doing the bank robbery.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Yep, yep, uh huh, you know, and all that at
that time, all that mandatory. You know, they give a
mandatory if you don't have a dialent background, which I
didn't at the time, it is mandatory. Three years with
that guy, I think seven for the bank robbery was
a ten year cents altogether, and I ended up doing seven.

(10:06):
You know, the behavior.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
Do you remember how much money you got away with
or did you not get away with anything? Until the
cops showed up.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
Now we actually you know.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
We actually got away with it some money.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
You know. It was funny because in the newspaper, artists
about it, you know, they said that, you know, they
should give it, you know, really got all the jokes.
They said they should give us some money, Lauger and
Childe because during the process of the bank robbery of
the dit pack went off, you know, and the dia
plot got you know, it's a bunch of money had
down it. So we were in the house trying to

(10:41):
you know.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Put some this decursion on the you know, money, trying
to clean on the actually working you know, you know, you.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Know, it was coming off. So we got away, you know,
we got to the apartment. We was in there trying
to clean some of the money off. Some of the
money didn't get got back on it. And somebody it
just I think somebody in the neighborhood this point, like
I think some special guide in this building right here,
you know what I'm saying. So what happened to police

(11:08):
surrounding the whole complex and he just went apartment and apartment,
checking each apartment, you know, And it was funny because
I just kept looking out the windows and I was
like to ask my mother about the window if the
police off, you know what I'm saying. So I'm like, man,
I think the house around him. Man, you know, so
the old time he was just tightening n negger on us.

(11:31):
And yeah, that's how he went down for that. Well,
we definitely got away for a little while and wonder
for the whole day was like you know for a
few hours.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
So so was the money you got away with?

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Was that all?

Speaker 3 (11:45):
Was that all messed up from the dy or was
there anything any that you got away with that wasn't
like tainted or whatever?

Speaker 2 (11:54):
No, Yeah, it was that some of it was some
of us.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
Messed up by the guy and me and my co defendant,
you know who was eventually, well as he's going to
an interview, you know with one of my friends I
grew up with, you know, we'll hear more about him anyway.
You know, he tried to We already knew about the diepack.
You know, we did a research, like you know, he
can't get money from a certain rest you know, you

(12:20):
got to get it from it's like a little thing
up under the wrestler. So we like don't get no
one out of the wrestler.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
But a guy that was with us, you know, one
of my co defendants on there, he's just taking money
and putting it in his like putting it in his
coat instead of putting it, you know, just trying to
stash and that's the money for himself later, you know,
being greeted and as we're coming out of the bank,
you know, them diepacks, they got like a perimeter, like

(12:48):
the distance that she get away from the bank that
makes it go off, you know what I'm saying. So
unbeknownst to us, you know, a diepack, it's more than.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
Just die it's like tuple spray. So getting the car
man got pepper spraying, doctor killing out his jacket, Like yo,
you know what I'm saying. So we end up not
even going we was trying to go. We end up
had to take a detour and go, you know to
his house. You know. So that was like the beginning
of the end right there.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
And you said you got seven years.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
Yeah, what I did seven years? It was like ten
years all ago. It was like ten years all together.
Do eighty five percent and you can get a few
months off and taking the drug program or something like that.
You know what I'm saying, you get you know, you
don't get No, you get eighty five percent if you
get charges. That's a good that's how much good time
you get.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
You know what I'm saying, So that they all continue
need you.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
So is it is that eighty five percent on everything,
whether it's like assault or rico or whatever, like, is
that eighty five percent on every single crime? They don't
like discriminate against any crimes.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
No, that's that, Yeah, that's any that's any crime. Butt.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
Like you said, you have to do good times so
you can't get in charges.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Like say, if you go in to prison, you kept
the charges, that's gonna gonna do one hundred percent. You know,
the good time on to come with. You gotta stay
a year in charge free and they'll give you eighty
five percent for that year. You know what I'm saying. Yeah,
But like I said, the fair you know the federal
you know, in the federal prison, you around guys from

(14:23):
all over the country. You know what I'm saying, And
it's very the federal prison. You know how to say,
prison is a Michael cons of society. Federal prison is
very The white sit in this side and the black
cysts on this side and Hispanic sits over here. You
know what I'm saying. It's like, okay, you know when

(14:44):
I'm coming in the system, like what it's going on here,
you know what I'm saying. And games and you know
what I'm saying, you know, the the racial games that
air and bo all that type of stuff. It's a
whole bunch is going on.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
So where you when were you in a camper? Were
you in f CI?

Speaker 1 (15:03):
I was in the USP USC Lee. I went to
USC Lea. I went to the USB Edgefield, South Carolina
and USB Atlanta. You know that's right in the middle
of Atlanta or downtown Alanna, like a castle right in
the middle of the city.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
Atlanta and Lee are pretty bad from what I heard then, right, yeah,
oh yeah. Did you did you ever have any have
any like runnings with anybody from like the mafia at
Atlanta or the Lee, like any terrorists or anything like that?

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yeah? You running glambie guys all the time. And you
know it's funny because one of them my guys, you
know what I'm saying, Like, you know, these guys you
just get to know in the part with you and
you know how you know a lot of time. We
see movies about Mafi guys. He carry the rise and
slick back head, gold chain, and it's funny because he's

(15:56):
just like that. It was like, you know what I'm saying,
you know, to shit everybody, and you would think, but
they separate himself from the other white guys because the
thing about the Italian they don't like nobody.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
You know what I'm like.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
You can't say I don't like bad people. No, they
don't like bad people white people. They don't like nobody
was like you individuality, so you might be cool with
him individuity and they call the shit you know what
I'm saying, each other. But I'm gad. I definitely I
met a lot of them in the federal prison.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
Yeah, that's crazy. I talked to one guy actually at
Florence right now, Potios gs or Geist. Did you ever
know him? Guys, it's g E A.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
S U.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
He allegedly was the guy that underlived Whitey Bulger and Coleman.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
Okay, nah, I think I mean that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
Okay, yeah, yeah, he was convined. I think he was convicted,
like I think I he hasn't been in prison but
maybe twenty years if that in the FEDS. But he's
a mafia un alive, or so he claims. And I
guess it's been backed up actually by other guys that
have been made men.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's definitely you know what I'm saying.
You know, that's definitely a part of that, you know,
because the difference on your FED in the state and
my being in the state system. Now, the FED is
like an organized like you gotta be a part of something,
like you can't just be I'm gonna stop myself. I'm
gonna do my thing, because literally that's if you're a

(17:25):
white guy, he is, I'm just gonna just do me man,
I'm not gonna get the ball nothing. The white groups
who will literally force you up. You have one minute
the game, you know what I'm saying, the same thing
with them, you know, the black guys. You know what
I'm saying, Like, you know, you're don't have to join
a game necessarily, but it's gonna be based on where

(17:45):
you from. If you're from Virginia, you know, you're just
gonna be your crew, you know what I'm saying. And
you're gonna be with the guys from Virginia. You know,
if you in Florida. You gonna be with the guys
in Florida, you know, the fase. Everybody got a number
on the shirt when when you first come in, sir,
I know where you from. You know what I'm saying. So, yeah,
dudes down on you before before you even get to

(18:06):
the building that you go on to.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Wow, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
Yeah, well mom, who's gonna call right back?

Speaker 3 (18:15):
Okay? So basically what you're saying is like, you don't
have to join a gang in the fens. But but
from what you're saying and from what I've heard, right,
is if you don't stick with your own race, then
they basically throw you to the wolves, and people from
your own race and other races basically get to like
own you and punk you out all the time, and
you can't do anything about it unless you're in PC.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
Right.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
Yeah, yeah, this is like you know you're gonna.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Get with your you know, especially now, I was in
the USP, you know what I'm saying. So in the USP,
it's a wherever strict, no snitch your code, like they
literally usual check everybody's paperwork. Your first day on the yard,
I figure where you're from. Okay, then okay, it's your
own boys right het we home or they go check
your paperwork. And now I remember with my extrange, like

(18:58):
when I first got there, that where you're found with Genia. Okay,
oh yeah, you guys right here this is there, so
I you know, I tapped in with a guy that's
from Virginia and the first thing right here you got
your paperwork with and at that time you got to
be inside. You're pretty simply port there. You know what
I'm saying that they tell everything about your case. So
you know, I play. I don't know y'all got let
me see y'all preport too, you know what I'm saying.

(19:19):
So everybody bring the paperwork out. We'll see it at
the table. You know, we will check everything out, check
them out. They check me out once. You know, I'm solid.
Give you a big bag commentsary you pay us.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
You know what I'm saying here.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
You was here then, So that's how the fairs went, man.
But I think to me, I stayed about afraid, you know,
and I didn't have a little you know, negative.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Experience far as dealing with that type of stuff, because
you know, I just.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
I say it out of there. You know what I'm saying.
My old day, I was trying to get.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
Home to my sons, and every time it was just
you know, it was young. I was like, man, you
know that type of stuff. It's real easy to get
into it. Right.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
So do you know anything about we SEC when it
comes to the FEDS. What is it like witness protection?

Speaker 1 (20:13):
Oh yeah, nah, nah, I don't know nothing about that.
Like you said, you know, I was in the USP,
so want no winter protection, want no you know, you
know me, I'm Muslim, you know, that's you know, keep
my background. My father was, and I was raised up
in that, you know. You know, so when I got
deep into that, and a lot of time they faded

(20:34):
a lot of good you know shop brothers. You know
what I'm saying, that was around us. So we really
on it, you know, and it's like.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
For some reason, I ain't know why, I said, I
can't explain of this day.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
You know, the aaron Es, all the you know, these
long white supremac students like they think they muscles like
well they you know, it's like the Addam you know,
even if it wasn't actually the case, that's what everybody
thought some time of people kind of pitted us. He
was like, you know, BUSS is a big crew and
they kind of pitued us to get yourself. So anyway,

(21:06):
that when you said that, it made me think about
you know, in US PR MAMO, we had got in
a situation with them where one of them, you know,
they would get like tattoos and stuff, and they hit
a black point.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
You know what I'm saying, saying, he points somebody, you know,
whatever you do, they get like right for it.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Anyway, one of my brothers getting out of a shower
or whatever, he's slipping, he got a shower suits all,
dude catching boring, hit him right right in front of
the police. Go to the hole, you know, police seeing
lock him on, go to the hole. So the next
day we like, yo, you know what I'm saying, y'all
got on. What's going on with y'all? You know what
I'm saying, that's with y'all. You know, like y'all want
to smoke or something. You know what I'm saying. They're like, no,

(21:42):
we ain't call that. We we it was like we
didn't like, you know, one of that right there he
did on his own. Well, y'all got assisted. So he
actually got dudes you know.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
In the hole. You know what I'm saying. You know,
the next day, you know, see the people running down there,
new dude all messed up, like wow, okay, like it's
really nowhere that you can't have any usp that far
like the SPID and you know, the little security thing.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
That's what I think. That's what a lot of witness
protection goes on at the USB, and that ain't going
on up there, right.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
The only reason I asked because I have a friend
right that that's like an ex offender. And he did
a Foyer request. You know what foyer is, right, So
he did a foid Okay, so it's the Freedom of
Information Act and basically you can foyer like cases prisons,
so on and so forth. So he foyed Florence Admax Colorado,
you know where Chappo is for Hoover was so on

(22:42):
and so forth, and they denied him because they said,
there's there's like a half there's like a dozen to
two dozen inmates there that are in witness protection and
if the inmates they're find out, the guards might either
set them up or the inmates might find them and
catch them slipping or whatever. You know, So I was
just curious if you knew about that, because I know
we're Hoover was there's a lot of high profile snitches
that have put a lot of like mafia guys away,

(23:04):
a lot of gangsters and bmth from all those dudes,
you know.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
Especially like you're talking, okay, flawings like a whole different
you know what I'm saying. That's like the Super super MAXX,
Like they'll put you up there. Yeah you can't get
you know what I'm saying, Like I know some guys
that was up there. It's like even if you you know,
it's hard to get to come out of there. So
they can definitely put keep that winter protection up there, right, dude,

(23:29):
still to get it up there or you know what
I'm saying right away up here.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
Right yeah, where there's a well, there's well I mean,
if you're doing life because of somebody and you find
out they're somewhere, I mean, what are they gonna do
sendence you to death when you're already doing life in prison?

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Yeah. Yeah, that's the thing about the bed system. If
you look at a lot of cases, a lot of
them guys are already doing life, so they'll think, you
know what, I'm saying, you know, they really give you
a definitely put in another in me. You know what
I'm saying. It's just like you a light sense. I
don't care about that. So that's what kind of made
it real dangerous, specially for me.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
I didn't have a life since I had.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
Seen here so many usb because my child of violence
being a bank robber, you know what I'm saying. So
it's like my whole thing was just aboud. I ain't
let nobody do what I mean, and I am trying
to you know what.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
I'm saying, like you gotta just add that mantality.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
I'm gonna protect myself. I'm going home with my mom
my kids. You know what I'm saying. It was going
down all over the place up there right right.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
Yeah, No, that's understandable for sure. So moving on to
your current case, tell me how tell me tell me
about your current case, how that came about, what you
were sentenced to, what you originally projected to be sentenced to,
and what you were sentenced to if you can remember
all that in order, Okay, yeah, no doubt.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
So when I came home from the Phutto prison, everything
was beautiful. You know, had my head together, you know,
my arm, my son's mother. You know, it's a good place.
We had a house and you know, gods and all
that type of stuff to move in, would end up

(25:13):
getting a good job, you know, just start my life,
you know what I'm saying. And I say, after I
wanna find about a year things. You know, we started,
our relationships started getting rocky, and you know we chose
to go out different ways or whatever like. So this
is how it happened for me to getting my current kids.

(25:34):
So you know, when I started, it started realizing now
you know, I'm not coming back. You know, she stopped
letting me to my kids, you know, and it was
just like a kind of like a it started like
a custody battle. You know. She had went to the the.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
Child sup poor people into the people that my kids in.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
Bekare right, my kids in elementary school at the time.
It was you know, on the school every day. Right.
So but all you need is a receipts from somebody. Oh, Mark,
I get somebody signed ya you know, I want to
dig here and I watched them a dica anyway, you
had that something you just made up in the court
made me stop paying twelve hundred dollars a month for

(26:17):
child support because all had making the most money paid
to Dickcare. So you know, he was like paying three
hundred hours week for daycare. So they add all that
up boom to add that with. So now it was
like what you know, and I just be like, oh,
what you doing? You know what I'm saying, She's basically
trying to blackmail. I mean, you know, if you come
back home my dropping, you know, if you just thought

(26:39):
what you're gonna come back, you know, and I'm not
one of the guys that you know, if you black
man and me is not gonna go out you think.
You know what I'm saying. You know, that's one of
my things I think you know from the trash Act
in my childhood is like make me. You know, it's
like more a post like you know what I'm saying.

(27:00):
You know, you put somebody cert when you think they
would do something, I'll do the opposite, you know. So
it's like I did not react well today, you know,
I'm like, Okay, my whole thing was okay, I'm gonna
get a lawyer right and prove that you know, the
the child support was fraudling at the daycare was made

(27:20):
up thanking all that dudes getting you know, get the
school right there, in elementary school, there in daycare all day.
So that was my plan. But you know, a lawyer costs.
A lawyer gonna cost you five thousand dollars seventy five
hundred dollars. You know what I'm saying. At that time,
I'm working at the shipyard. I'm bad to getting beast,
you know, with the child support, with my apartment, on

(27:42):
my car pay and all that type of stuff. So
in that environment, you know, I think that was one
of the worst mistakes I made. I came over to
some ideas to start hustling. You know, it's something I
know how to do. I'm going up. You know I
can get on. I can't. You know what I'm saying,
make enough money to pay for a lawyer. You know,

(28:03):
I can prove that she was mind about it, you know,
the child for the bigcare thing, and I'm trying to
get custed in my kids for somebody trying to manipulate
the system. On my mind, all that's coming in is
I can get a lawyer. So that's how I started hustling, right,
That's the environment where I started hustling right there, and
you know, you know, everybody who knows about the job,

(28:24):
you know about this type of that game right there
is you know you can say you can stop at
a certain point, right but it's like, you know, i's
don't get ten thousand dollars, Well I might can get
twenty thous dollars. And it turned into an actually time thing.
You know, Well if I take me a week to

(28:44):
meet ten thousand dollars, two weeks Iver made twenty thousand.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
So you start trying to calculate in just the bad,
why can we get this summer in? I'm trying to
calculate and just the bad, why can we get this
summer in? I can get something, and I can get
forty thousands, you know what I'm saying. So yeah, and unfortunately,
you know, with the uusy gonna set you up, you
know what I'm saying. That's what happened to me.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Some guy you know, probably had caught.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
A charge itself, and you know, yeah, I told me
to meet him. You know, he wanted to basket all
you know, a rug you know, and the whole time
he was a competition of foreman so you know the
time when I got busted. I'll never forget it. Because

(29:35):
as I'm riding now, as I'm rolling off for him,
I goes in his neighborhoohood, and I see a car
coming behind me, and it's kind of like forever, So
I'm thinking it now. At this time, I had a
nice truck with his brams on and stuff like that,
So I'm thinking that somebody trying to rob me, like
you're trying to try to contact me and something.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
So you know, I'm kind of bracing for that.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
And when I get to the stop sign, I see
a K nine truck across the.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Street, so I make a left, and soon as I
did that, you know, the.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
Knocks pull up on me and it was like you know,
and I see something on the on the pev even
from out the guy ask you these, and that guy
jumped out with the car like literally while my.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Car still moving, like laying on my car with the
guns like right on my fence.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
Stop, you know, to stop, that's the car. Stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
So at this time, it's like, man, I can see
the bullet.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
In the gun. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
That's how, you know, that's how coach it was.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
And at that time in Portsmon, I remember the same
knocks they had killed like two other guys. They'll say,
this is what they do there, you know, they say
he's trying to hit him with the car. You know
what I'm saying. They jump on the car. Wise, honey,
you know what I'm saying. So my whole thing was, Okay,
I put the car park for my man in the head.
I ain't want them to think I'm reaching tonight, you know.
And you know, I know, you know, in the arm

(30:58):
in the extradition, once you put the like once you
put the car and drive the door, the doors automatic.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
So now I got my hand in the head and
they're like open the you know, open the other.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
Door the customer. So I'm like, yo, I'm looking at like, man,
I'm not even putting this guy right here. He's like
he can't wait to shoot. They bust the car, you know,
and bust the windows out, snatched out of the car
and all that type of stuff. And yeah, man, that
was my last day on the street right there. You know,
it's like I was just trying to survive. Or you

(31:30):
see some people, you know, it's like this, you know,
people just look trigger happy, you know. So that was
my last day on the street right there. And what
happened after that is they found well in the back

(31:51):
in the back of the car, they saw the little
green in there, right, So that's what led to the
initial arrest. Right. They destinitely took my car downtown, you know,
anything to find anything at their time, but I guess
their their seattic confidence formal, so like, yeah, this guy
got drugs there. So they just started breaking the car down,

(32:14):
you know. They they took you to like one of
the love m We got the garage and then you know,
they get these tools and they was you know, they
end up finding a drugs in the dash box in
the car, but they did.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
They found a house probably an ounce and a half.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
Of snow in there, and they phone a gun in there.
No do two, you know, So they pound that in
there and I'll never forget it because I'm sitting there
handcuffs to a chair, right and they come to me like, yeah,

(32:56):
we phone, we got you man. You know, it's old
with it was like we gon'll let you go right now.
He approached me with the handcuse keep ready to let
me go? He said, all you got to do is
give me a you know, give me a underliven or
you know, give me some snow, give me a connection.

(33:17):
So at that time, you know, it was like I
was I was just tired, man. I was just I
didn't want to continue, you know, putting people in the shit.
I didn't want to be a part putting somebody else
in the prison. You know, that was going on in
my head at that time. And you know I was

(33:39):
back here with me, you know, that's what my mind
was saying. That's where my heart was feeling, like, man,
I'm not you know, ain't nobody else in this situation.
I told him. I was like, I was like, give
me a barb man, give me a bar or give
me a bomb. Gonna take me to the chair. And
they was so mad about that because so many people

(34:00):
probably that.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Set in that same chair before me.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
Room and instead of just you know, taking response to that,
you know, I got somebody I can just and it
just continued the system. It just continued fitting and finding
and finding the finder of the better of the beast,
you know, And I just didn't want to be a
part of that. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
So, so after you were convicted, what was your original
sentencing guidelines and what did you actually get sentenced to?

Speaker 1 (34:31):
Well, like I said, I was initially eventually convicted of that,
and you know, Virginia wants you to get convicted of
a suddenly give you what's called a prefense report. And
my prefend I never forget. My lawyer at that time,
she was like, you know, the probably gonna get ten years.
You got a record of it, and not that that day.

(34:52):
You know, some guys been in prison two or three times,
so she was like, you're probably gonna get ten years.
And you know and any time, you know, my daughter's
mom was pregnant. She's probably like seven months pregnant. Song.
You know, I'm devastated about that. I'm like, wow, man,

(35:17):
can't go you know, prinsal ten years, what it is,
what it is, and you know, I'm under stand on it.
So it did my sins. When in the courtroom, I
got his judge just kills. Now that's time to import
some judge kills. He was old.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Twenty years before, like he's been old, like he seeing.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
Like you always know, like when he's seeing me. He
had a deep ninety and then his ninety or something
like that. So I'm sitting there there in the courtroom,
and and he's talking.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
To me in my sense, and he's not even talking
to me, talking to the crowd.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
And he was saying like, you know, this whole courtroom
is in for drugs. You know what I'm saying, in drugs.
You have one minute remain as he's talking, his face
getting read. So I'll never forget my toma. I knew
a guy that was in the courtroom. We see somebody court,

(36:14):
he knows it was up, you know, he walked out.
He was like, man, I've seen what I've seen. Dudes
just getting mad with happiness about he walked out. He
was like, he caught a fare to appear. They't want
to get sent that they had charge du So he
literally just walked out the since walked out the courtroom.
He caught a you know, a fad to a par
But the judge sent me to forty one years. It's

(36:38):
six months in prison. He gave me thirty five years
for drugs, five for the gun in one year for
the marijuana. So yeah, that was that was crazy. He
went twenty five years outside my guideline with about to

(37:00):
hang up and we'll call you back.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
So you said, so you said he went twenty five
years past your the sending scene guidelines. So so so
you said you got forty was it forty five or
forty six? Forty one or forty one? So what would
that be? Six sixteen or twenty six years?

Speaker 1 (37:17):
Is that? Is that right? Yeah? Yeah? Uh huh. So,
like my my maximum was seventeen, right, you know what
I'm saying, So you know that's at least twenty years
outside of that, you know what I'm saying. Twenty's a change,
but the mid range what it was supposed to sing
me to like twelve years, you know, my lord, like

(37:39):
you gonna get ten years.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
So I went from thinking in my mind and go
get ten years in prison.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
For your joge right to getting you know, to walking
out there, you know, walking out of that court when
for forty one years, and you know that's what I've
been getting whatever since then, you know, I've been that
was seventeen years and six months ago, you know, and
right now that then, you know, working towards my freedom,

(38:08):
and it just took a lot because you know, when
you're dealing with that type of sentence for that type
of crime, you know, first, you know, the first thing
I had to do. Man, was just learn how to
forgive myself. You know, was so ashamed for, you know,
going back to prison after getting the second chance. You know,

(38:29):
my family is so proud of me for getting a job,
going to school, you know, getting on my feet in
the apartment, just doing the thing that you're supposed to do,
you know. And they didn't know, you know, I was
hustling on them, you know, on the low. You know
what I'm saying. They didn't know nothing about that. You know.
It's funny that, you know, on the sidetrack a little

(38:50):
bit that you know, my father, right, you know, he
has a show that come online, you know, come on TV.
Actually come on w He and called fools that cooking.
They just had a show they take the lab up
here at Lawnsville correcting some It should be on TV Sunday,
come on Sunday morning, eight thirty anyway, the same as Tuck. Anyway.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
So me and my dad always been real cool, you know.
And he used asked me, like you know what I'm saying,
like what's going on?

Speaker 1 (39:20):
You need? You know, I'm like, you know, my pride
want to let me Man going through it? Man needs
some help. You know, I'm like, nah, I got him good.
You know what I'm saying, Well, you know, I'm gonna
get his paper, the lawyer and save my money up.
The whole time, I'm hustling on the look and you know.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
When you have to when you're doing this. It's not
like you staying on a corner.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
You know, he's doing these things. You actually just meet somebody,
you know, they catch you enjo on your phone and
meet him somewhere boone is it? You know.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
So I was able to keep it secret. So that's why,
you know, when that happened, it was just like devastating
to it my.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
Family, you know what a lot of shame on. Like man,
you know, I had to do a lot apologizing. But
it won't even them that you know, it was me
and I had to forgive myself. You know what I'm saying.
I was so ashamed of, you know, catching that. And
I think will helped me the most was my daughter
at that time, she was just a baby.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
She was just born. My daughter's seventeen years old now.
Honest student entrepreneurs got all a little business doing great.
We got a great relationship at that time she was
just a little baby, so I'm gonna hold her.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
In a visiting room. I used to whole her in
the visiting room, and she used to look at me.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
You know when you see the baby, they look straight
straight street in your eyes and see the baby bottle.
And she used to look at me and like like like, man,
I gotta I can't let this. You know what I'm saying.
I can't let her be a shame. It's shame transfer
to her.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
I gotta beat somebody to make you know, make her
proud of me. I gotta do things and make her
proud of me. So I just focused on, you know,
educating myself, you know, staying.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
Out of each other and trying to reform myself.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
Why did I fall back to that? Like what made
me deal with that? You know what made me fall
back to subject? What made me form to do these things?

Speaker 2 (41:14):
You know, we start, you know, taking mental health classes,
and I'm understanding, like you know, adverse childhood experiences called ACE.
You know what I'm saying, How these things that my
past lives to.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
You know, me having what you like, you know, being.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Risky or postal. You know what I'm saying, like, you know,
these things trying.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
To come up with pain that you go through as
a child and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
So I had a basically, man, just look real deep
within myself and not give up on myself because having
a forty one year sentence, you know at thirty years
of age, you know, that's like a life senseur.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Real, you know. So you know, seventeen years four or
fast forward, you know, I'm here, you know, at Lawrenceville,
and you know, I don't gonna you hear it too
much about lawns del This is the first in centervized
prison in Virginia. So what he did. They started like
you couldn't even get here unless you five years charge free,

(42:12):
and they just had like hand picked, you know, guys
that stayed out of trouble, and you know, they give
us extra programs and stuff like that, opportunities and they
trying to make environment where other guys that kind of
like you know, inspire other guys to stay out of
trouble and to do the right things to come to
places like this. So you know, I got a clemency

(42:35):
in you know, and I'm just trying to get support
for that because we know you know, we know people
get over sensul non u the climes and my clime.
You know, I know it's an effect to my crime.
You know, I'm not trying to escape the responsibility of it.
You know, I said a second, but the people that's

(42:56):
hurt most in my clime is my family. You know
what I'm saying, Like my mother, my father, my children,
you know what I'm saying, like you know, my community.
You know what I'm saying. So these things right here,
this is you know, with affected me the most, just

(43:17):
hurting them, letting them down and stuff like that. So
the good thing is, you know I got a cleaning
sand and opening God willing they can granted to me.
They can see that. You know, I've been out of
each other, take a program in school, and you know,
just walking the white pass trying to.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Be an example for the younger guys because you know,
I got a story to tell them.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
You know what I'm saying, I'd have been there. I'd
have been one of the guys who been home goat
released from prison. I'd let them know, like you know,
one of the things man, you want to be careful about,
you know, your relationships to get into you know, what
I'm saying. You know a lot of guys I don't want.
They want to live directly immediately with another woman, with
a woman matter if you know it. You know, my child,
my new or for years you know. But I guys, no,

(44:05):
you need your own space. It'll stop from the basis,
it'll be so quick to jump in and something you know,
somebody else.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
So going back, like a decade, it was a decade,
right that you were implicated in an underliven That was
the charges were dropped? Correct, Yeah, it was ninety was
it ninety six or ninety eighty? I think it was
ninety eight, ninety eight. Okay, that's what I thought. That's
what I thought I read. Okay, okay, So so tell
me how you got implicated in an unliven which which

(44:36):
later the charges were dropped. How did that happen?

Speaker 1 (44:39):
Yeah, well, you know, like you said, by the grace
of God, you know, the childhood dropped. I didn't have
anything to do with it. But he was actually giving
a guy a rat home at his time. It was
four of us in the car and I'll be giving
this one guy rid home. So you know I hadn't
give a round home. We stopped at the gas station

(45:00):
and that guy, know my same Court of Center that
was on you know that that was on the federal
case with me. You know this before we even went
to the fuddle, you know.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
What I'm saying, before we went the feederal prison. And
he decided to go out the car like man, I'm
gonna use the bathroom.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
He gets out the car, He's out the car for
like five minutes, and then there smoking a block. We
didn't even think about it, and.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
He comes back to the car right there like you know, yoh, man,
pull off.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
Pull off, pull up up with what's up? He was like, man,
you know what I'm saying to how somebody like what?
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 (45:32):
What even if everybody's like what, yeah, man, I I
seen him point of where I've seen him reaching.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
You know I've seen him reaching wow. Oh yeah, And
I never forget it. That night I looked at him.
I was like, bro, like what you you know what I'm.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Saying, Man, You're like, you going this song?

Speaker 1 (45:53):
This all? You gotta deal this for the rest of
your life.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
Man, you know what I'm saying, Like, you know that
ain't gonna never go nowhere, you.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Know, So yeah, right there. You know, ain't nobody say nothing.
Everybody just you know, keetch his mouth shut. And fast
forward teen years. It's after we come home from the
federal from the federal prison, and you know, people started,
you know, speaking about it. I think one of the

(46:22):
guys in the car I caught a keys he was
trying to get out of prison. So you know, yeah,
smoke about it. And they pull up on me, right,
and it's how I get charged with it. The pull
up on me and was like, but it's underlie, right,
if you don't make a statement, you know, if you're
not willing to temptcize make a statement, we're gonna charge

(46:42):
you with it.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
And I guess you know, this is the way he
may put a pressure on guys. You know what I'm saying,
you know.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
And me, you know, I'm like, you know, the guy
I know, he was like my son and son's best friends.
And I didn't want to be a body. I was like, man, listen,
and I don't know these algomoics. Man, talk to my lawyers.
You know, I'm on the lawyers. You know, I give
my lawyer number to talk to so and this part

(47:10):
was like, man, I know you think you know, since
you ain't had nothing to do with it. I know
you think I can't charge it, but I can charge
you with this. That's the last thing he said to me.
And I said, probably about old.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
Not even a month after I.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
Caught this drug charge, they charge you with that, yea,
So I probably could have, you know.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Hindsighted twenty twenty, I probably have told them the information.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
About that and got out of prison together. You know.
Sometimes remember I had a conversation with my son. You know,
my sons a grown now at twenty seven, twenty eight
years old, and my son was like, Dad, why is
it just say you know what I'm saying. Why ain't
just say something? He's been home, he probably what it
did to day. And it's like I always I always

(47:56):
try to.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Tell them, like, man, you know, you gotta be responsible
for yourself. Man, you know what I'm saying, Like.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
You know, I would never want to put another man
in the situation because of me. I won't wait this
for my worst tender, you know what I'm saying. So
you know, it's kind of hard for them to understand that.
But it's like, you know, I didn't want to. I
was all my responsibility, you know, so yeah, that's what
happened on that. But you know, they end up, you know,

(48:25):
they charged me, you know what I'm saying. You know,
they kept trying to give me a mike, a statement,
all that type of stuff, and I was like, man,
this is the longest thing, Miami. Do you know? They
end up dropping the charges. But the guy was eventually condicted,
the guy. The other guys in Corgn kept the fire
and they predicted it, the guy who did it. And
it's the crazy part about that, he actually got less

(48:47):
time than I got for the drug charge. He got
twenty six years for the murder charge. I end up
getting forty one years for the drudge charge.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
So so let's say, hypothetically, right, you knew back then
we're going to get the sentence you got all, you.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
Know, watching my kids grow up, man, and the family
members that passed away on these seventeen years and the
things that I went through, Man, I'll probably do anything
not do this time. You know what I'm saying. If
I could go back, I'll probably do anything not to
do this like this. You know what I'm saying, Because
it's like I said, I'm be gone seventeen years, you know,

(49:27):
my daughter was born while I be in Trinity's seventeen
years old. Now you know, so yeah, I probably did.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
You know, you know behindsight, man, you don't want to
go through this, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
That's the how things worked out. And hopefully I can
use my story to get this what I want to
do when I come home, you know, I want to
use my story man, to.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Educate at risk youth on average childhood experiences, things that
they went through.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
As a child, how they might behave or act you know,
act out behind because of that. Sometimes you don't understand
why you do things, you know what I'm saying. And
sometimes sometimes things that you've been through that the child
can effect how you behave, how you see the word,
and so on and so forth. So I definitely want
to be a part of that and you know help

(50:24):
you know, at rich you with that and the good
things that I gotta Actually I got to be hearing.
I have an interview with the Clemency Board, the people
that investigated clemency on the twenty ninth, So you know
all you was man, y'all make a prayer for me. Man.
Hopefully God will it.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
They can give me this clemency not gonna turn my
family soon because seventeen years, man, you know, for a
child that you know, I had no victim of my client.
I didn't you know, I don't have another person that
was harmed in my client.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
You know, it was nobody house getting broken into, nobody robbed,
it was nobody, you know, property stolen. It was just
me possessing from drugs. And I'm not trying to minimize it.
But forty one years, like what we're doing, you know,
as a subspact to what we're doing, we try to
take a man's life for that right there, for a mistake,

(51:20):
a lats of judgment, you know.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
So all yeah, man, holy things go right, man, I
get this cleaning.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
So let's say, so, let's say you do get the clemency, right,
what are you gonna do to make sure you don't
lose more years on your life than you already have
for those seventeen years to not go back to prison?

Speaker 1 (51:39):
Yeah, well a great question, man, And I got a
lot of things I'm planning on. I got a non
profit that I'm working on. You know, I was really
big in boxing, you know what I'm saying, And you
know I trained guys and stuff like that. And I
think I got an organization I'm trying to you know,
put together called Building through Box. Right. So what I

(52:01):
want to do is I want to have some for
the youth, right, you know what I'm saying, especially at
rich youth, you know, from the poor community of matter,
be black or white or whatever whatever religious domination denomination,
you know, because I think that when you teach someone,
especially child and pressure with age, how to defend themselves,

(52:22):
how to box right, how the defend itself, how the fight,
that gives them confidence. They don't have to project aggression
to keep people off of them.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
You know what I'm saying, give them confidence. You know,
once you know somebody who has a.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
Box, you know, they laid back. They know they can
do to you.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
So I want to incorporate that with you know, mental
health awareness and just real talk coming from somebody who've
been through it, you know what I'm saying, because I think,
you know, you know a lot of the day that's
going on on.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
The street with the youth today, I really do believe
that they need somebody that really care about them. They
can't just come out there preaching for them.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
You got to show them that you went in to
invent your time, your money.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
They're helping them out. So that's one of the things
I want to do, you know, Like I said, you know,
my father he got a TV show pool Side of Cooking,
and you know, I'm going to try to be a
part of that. You know, as far as working my sons,
the entrepreneurs, they got a you know, they're almost twenty,

(53:26):
almost thirty years old now seven. They got like a
party boat company where they take people out on the river.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
You know, you can rent that, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
They take people out there. So it's a lot of
business ventures.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
I want to get into.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
But my most my passion is to help them youth man,
because I was a trouble youth, you know what I'm saying.
I needed psychological health therapy and all that type of stuff.
So I want to try to catch these guys and
these girls before before they get into major trouble and
see if I.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
Am all that way, that's good. That's that's that's that's
a good idea. That's I'm sure that'll help you to
where you don't reoffend and don't end up back in prison.
And the statistics and the recidivism.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
You know, absolutely absolutely, you know, and then again again man,
just getting up there now too. You know what I'm saying,
you know, forty years old. He's because you know, I've
been there. You have one minute the racing, but it's.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Not like being present, you know. So that's my goal
right now, just to be present.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
And my kids, like the president, my mother's like, my
father's like you know, my fiance is like to be
present out there. So man, you know, I really appreciate you.
Give me a time, man, and tell my story, man, and.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Y'all get to change that or I hope you can
support my claiming to position.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
You know, ins nd of my name, and I'm sure
I ask you will get a link to it. And
I appreciate you, man. Man, absolutely, Man, I hope we
do this interview on the other side of the face too.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
Oh yeah, most definitely, we definitely will. I got you
as soon as you get out.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
No doubt. Man, We take care of man all y'all viewers. Man,
y'all beat out. Man, We're gonna try to change this culture.
Man of Overseas Deep for mind body, thank you for
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