Ep. 170: Summer Preview with BWill

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I'm always thrilled when I can havea ball knower on the show and
our guest today, I'm telling yousome of the the smartest shit I've heard
this offseason has come out of thisman's mouth. I'm stoked to have him
on the show. We've been tryingto get this on the books for like
two months now and the start Wow, man finally aligned. You know him

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from Tennessee Fan TV on YouTube.You got the Exit one show, you
got be Will's take. You knowhim from The Morning Glory Show Thursdays at
seven a m. Central on theGlory Day Sports YouTube channel. He is
be will be will my man weuh man A little late. I love
the intro, Man, I appreciateit. I try to bring the energy.
Man if I'm like, I'm afan of yours, so like I'm

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stoked to have you on the show, and I try to replicate that energy
and put you over. To borrowa term from the wrestling world, put
you over as strong as I can. We're little late getting the stream started.
We could have we could have talkedabout El Camino's for for thirty minutes
straight before going live. We couldhave, Man, I didn't know if
they were ready for that or not. Maybe into bonus show. Bonus show.
Yeah, we'll get some cars,set it up for the next time.

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Have a layup going, so beforeyou get started. Man, I'm
a big fan of yours, somebig fan of Bars network. You're what
you what you did during the draftprocess is unrivaled by anyone now to me,
national media wise, anybody. Man, you you did an exceptional job,
especially focused with the Titans. Man. I really appreciate you, and
I feel like I can speak forothers and say we appreciate you for all

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the work you do during the draftseason and throughout the season too, because
I mean, you're really one ofthe smartest minds we got in the Titans
content world. I feel like,man, I appreciate you saying that that
that means a lot because there's alot. I mean, you know,
like you're in the content game too. It's like people don't always take the
time to tell you that they appreciateyou. So I appreciate you taking the
time to say that. And it'ssomething that I work really hard on.

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And sometimes you get to those pointswhere it's like two am and I'm I'm
grinding, Like the Southeast Missouri tape, I'm like, is anybody even paying
attention? Is anybody even given ashit? So it's it's good to hear
that that that goes goes notice.So I appreciate that. Man, What
what got you into the content game? What had you wanting to get into
media and podcasting? So I'll behonest, I'm a big, big soccer

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fan, and I drew a lotof my inspiration from a lot of the
type of content that they make overthere in England. For the soccer over
there, they have a there's anarsenal fan TV that they have, so
as you can tell with the name, a lot of inspiration came from them,
and it really was just a matterof giving fans the voice you know,
we get we we as Titans fans. We see the national media how

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they talk about us. We seethe local media sometimes how they talk about
us, but nobody really gives ashit or listens to the regular fan of
me and you as much as theycan, you know what I mean.
So that's the driver for me,man. I want to be able,
especially after the games. I dothe interviews outside the stadiums. Yeah,
I want to get raw reactions fromfans like you and I after the game
because we have a ton of youknow, we have a ton of smarts

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within the fan base, and wehave a ton of emotion that within the
fan base too, that people aredue to get out. I mean,
that's what sports is about. Hisemotion and it's not just about the national
figureheads emotion or the coach's emotion atthe press conference, is about the fans
as well. So I strive forthat. Man, we got our boy
Jake in the comment. Jake's beenon the show before. I'm gonna try
and complete the trifecta and get Jonathanon at some point. But you guys

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kill it on the Morning Glory ShowThursdays at seven on the Glory Day Sports
YouTube channel. How did that showkind of come together for you? What?
What was it? Because Jake toldme he just put out a call
one morning and said, hey,who wants to do a show? And
you stepped up to the plate.What was it about the opportunity that you
saw that you liked and you wantedto be a part of. Man,

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Jake's another guy just like you thatI've really admired from Afar and you know,
I just started this. I'm reallynew to the Titans content content game
too. I've only been in itfor about a year and a half,
but I've been in it for muchlonger than that, you know, just
from Afar watching. So I've alwayswatched guys like Jade. I've always watched
it as like you have always watchedguys like you know, hearned it,
I mean just the ogs of it. So when he did that, I

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was like, this is And I'vealways I feel like if I was gonna
get on a show with somebody,it's it's gonna be with somebody that understands
the game, and we can havereal conversations about the Titans, because there's
one thing to just talk about theTitans and be emotionally written talking about them,
but we I like to have somelogic talking about the Titans and talk
with other guests. And yep,Jonathan's full of full of it as well.

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But I saw he put that outand I was like, man,
I can't miss this, and hegave me the opportunity to, you know,
be a close on the show andit's been great ever since. Man,
I don't even have to have coffeefor it, and that's how amped
up I'm ready for it, youknow. Yeah, I still got to
have my coffee for it. I'mstill like I I just told you before
we went live, like I'm doa the day job at eight am,
so like my alarm is usually setfor seven am, but it's more like

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seven twenty seven twenty five that Iturn on. I turn on the show
and join you guys. So likeI'm I'm still like in zombie mode.
But that's you know, that's agood thing. Depends though. Man.
If it's if it's football season andthe weather's nice outside, you know,
I'm a lot more. I'm alot more of a productive person outside of
football season. I'll be honest.I mean I'll go to the gym every
now and then I'll actually talk tomy family, you know. Yeah,

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it's just it's outside of football season. Man. We get a lot of
time back so in a certain way, especially in this little dead period,
right yeah, yeah, you know, yeah. I know. My wife
was was thrilled when the draft wasover. I remember her saying, like,
do I get my husband back now? And I'm like, I don't
know, babe. I just gotmy twenty twenty five notebook and I got

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tape. Yeah, the Ota isn'tcoming. It's really it really doesn't sleep
a whole lot anymore. I thinkthe NFL has done a masterful job and
kind of marketing their product. Youget like a little extra time with the
draft being later, and then you'vegot the schedule release that they make a
big deal out of, and thenbefore you know it, OTA is in
training Camper here. So that's that'sby designer. That's they got you hooked,

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man, they got you hooked.Yeah. I tell my wife,
I'm like, take it up withthe NFL. Email Roger Goodell, let
him know you want your husband back. But man, before we get into
the Titans, talk about where thisteam is at heading into the summer.
I gotta know, b Will,what what did a money hooker do to
you? What did a money hookerdo to you? So it's it's a

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little bit of betrayal. I feellike, you know, I was really
you know, with I got Trailthat's on the X and One show too,
and he as soon as the dealand the ink was dry with the
deal he got from John Robinson.I think it was ten or eleven a
year yea, Trail said absolutely notyeah, And I fought him tooth and
nail and I was and I watcheda moni hooker and I didn't you know,
he was a byproduct of what wewere doing. And you know,

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back then he was he wasn't themain guy in the secondary. He was
the guy that'll pop up and makea play when we need to make a
play. And I thought that wasokay. Then I got to looking at
the safety market, how much hesafety is getting paid around the league,
and I was like, we're payingthis guy, damn near Ferrari money for
Mustang production. And I like Mustangs. Don't get me wrong. Yeah,

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but you know the thing with himis that he gets paid a lot of
money and he's not that for me. He's not that much of a difference
maker out there. He's and ifyou look at if you looked at the
Calvin Ridley tape from when the Jagsplayed us, he a Moni Hooker showed
up more on that tape than Ridleydid. And it's it's across the across
the board with that. And myworry is, as we get better,
we also have to up our standardsas Titans fans, especially in that secondary

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position, because the secondary has improveda lot. Yeah, Hooker to me
looks like he's going to be theweek leak week link in the secondary and
he's going to be targeted by theseother offenses. If I was game planning
against the Titans defense before he draftedDevantay Sweat, I would have gassed us
and ran it down our throat.But we got Sweat now, which is
good. But now I'm looking atthe secondary and I'm looking at a money
hooker man, you know, Imean to your point, if you look

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at how they attacked the secondary thisoffseason so far, he kind of did
go from being like the safe bet, like you didn't have to worry about
a money hooker. He was kindof the top dog in the secondary to
now all of a sudden, you'relooking at it like, I don't know,
he might be the weakest part ofthat group right now. But I
just wanted to, you know,I wanted to let the people know.
I just wanted to let the peopleknow. Give you the chance to explain

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the dislike for a Monei hooker there, That's all I'm saying. Yeah,
I don't. I don't know,man. I think it's it's accountability.
I wouldn't say it's just like Idon't just like a money hooker. You
know, gap lives matter. Weboth got a gap, so you know,
it's all good with me. Butit's just the on the field,
on the field thing. Yeah,So I hear you, I hear you.
So, how do you feel aboutthe state of this roster now that

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the dust is settled on the draft, the main wave of a free agency
is coming gone. We've got OTAs, guys are out there in their underwear
running around practicing. We're at thatpoint of the offseason where the roster,
I think for the most part probablyis what it's going to be minus an
addition here or there. How doyou feel about the date of the roster
given what the Titans the Resources had, what they could check off the list

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this offseas, and do you feellike they're in a good spot right now
or are you still kind of worried? So I would say, if I
were to rate how much worry Ihave for the roster, excuse me,
I'll tell you I'm out at aboutsix right now, honestly. And I'll
start with the offense. You know, the offense. Ran Carthin's did an
exceptional job this offseason, but hecouldn't fix everything. I mean, let's

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be honest, this roster was ashambles. Yeah. But the receiver room.
I'm content with the receiver room.I mean we got the big names
with Calvin Ridley coming in, withTyler Boyd coming in to add to DeAndre
Hopkins, and then we have KylePhillips and Treylon Burke's on the back end
of that. But my biggest gripewith the receiver room I spoke about it
on The Morning Glory Show or TheMorning Glory Show, is we do not

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have a guy that's gonna make somethinghappen outside of the schematics of the system,
you know, and we're gonna needthat, especially if we stumble into
the playoffs and you know, youneed a guy to convert on third and
seven and break a tackle. Becauseif you look at the analytics of cal
offense when he was in Cincinnati,I want to say almost sixty percent of
their throws were to the flats,right, So once you catch the ball

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on the flat, you got tomake a guy miss because there's always going
to be a guy there no matterwhat covers they're playing to playing Cover two,
they're playing Cover three, somebody's flyingout to the flats from the linebacker.
You've got to make a guy miss. And I don't see that in
this receiver room. So that's mythat's my biggest thing with the receiver room.
Do you think we have somebody thatcan make a guy missing the receiver
receiver room, Burke's supposed to bethat guy. I think the hope is

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that maybe maybe Burke's could be thatguy. I think, I mean,
maybe Ridley is probably your best optionbecause of the quickness there. Maybe that's
part of the reason they drafted JakwanJackson, though it kind of sounds like
his primary focus is going to beas a return man and Stony you were
probably just like me. Well,I almost stroked out when we drafted.

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I wasn't I wasn't the big whowas on board. We both know,
we both know who was on barstill that we could have grabbed that would
have solved this problem. Yeah,and then he goes to Miami, which
is probably the best situation for talkingabout Malik Washington by the way, Washing
for those that don't know. Yeah, goes to Miami, which is probably

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the best possible scenario for him toland in where you've got some studs in
front of you that are going torequire attention and you can kind of ease
into that role. Man, II didn't get the vision. I mean
it's obvious, like Tyke Tolbert wasreally high on Jawan Jackson from attending his
pro day, and you know,there's been reports from the OTAs this week

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that he does look pretty nifty outthere and his breaks and and you know,
I just I don't know. He'sin the category of I'll have to
see it to believe it. WithJakwan jacks exactly, but and he has
an uphill battle to get to theroster too. Yeah, yeah, I
mean there are some bodies at widereceiver. It feels like this is a
deeper group than they've had in ain a long time. There's gonna be

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a lot of competition for him.There. You kind of answered the question
for me. But outside of MalikWashington, do you think there were other
options for this team in the draftthat maybe could have checked that box for
you? Should they have invested alittle earlier in wide receiver in your opinion,
I would have loved us too.I mean, obviously neighbors. If
he was there, that's exactly whoI'd earmarked for us to for us to

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get, That's who I wanted.Yeah, and I wouldn't have been mad
if we would have got a guylike Odonse at eight. You know,
that would have been fine because we'regonna need to fill that X receiver void
here within the next year. Really, I mean, let's be honest,
within the next year. But Odunseecould also float around to the X,
the HY, the Z. Hecan play all over, so it wouldn't

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have been a bad pick. ButI love the Latham pick. But another
guy that I really really wanted.And it goes to another need of why
I'm really hesitant on this roster defensively, especially is at edge and it's a
guy Mo Kamara from Colorado State.I mean, that's somebody that I absolutely
wanted at edge. There. RasaWeaver is a guy that I'm really more

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on than a moni hooker because wedon't have an edge guy that can set
an edge. Yeah, defensively onthe roster right now that you know,
we just don't art and Key's notgoing to set an edge. Rasa Weaver
is immune to set in the edge. Uh you know, I mean I
ain't seen him do it. Ican count one hand in his career how
many times I've seen him set theedge. Well, I'll be honest.
That was one thing that I wantedto ask you about because I haven't heard

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a whole lot of people this offseasonsaying it. And it's a it's a
pretty good take in my opinion,is you know kind of how light the
edge rushers are for this group rightnow? And and you pointed out that
teams like should be able like widezone, outside zone, anything designed to
get the ball out to the perimeter. There a team should have a sad

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day against this this Titans front.So give you the floor to explain that
take a little further. Yeah,So any for me, And this is
another way I'd look at attacking thisdefense. That's the way I'm I look
at our team. I'm trying tolook at it from an outsider perspective as
maybe a game plan or something I'veplayed. I've been in football all my

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life. I'm looking at this defenseand how I would attack it. Sneed,
You're not gonna be able to attackthe one. You just can't and
your two is probably gonna be overmatchedby Cheeto yep, give or take who
the two is. And then Nickel. We have a really good Nikola and
McCreery that proved to be I mean, he's one of the best at the
catch point in the league last year. He was really good last year.

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So through the air it's going tobe difficult. You can attack the linebackers
a little bit, but really toget your bang for your buck, Like
if you want them first down,second down, you want to get some
easy ours. To me, I'mrunning outside zone or I'm hitting a jet
just to get on the outside becausethe guys on the edge we have Landry
Key or Shaw Weaver, especially Weaverand Key, they're just they're too light.

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You know, they're not built forthat. You know, their body
type is not built for that.And I talk body type because it's that's
sort of the language that scouts totalk to, especially with you know,
a guy like Traylon Burton, hisbody type being on the inside. But
that's a whole another conversation. Buton the edge with Key, with Weaver,
they're just too light to set theedge, especially against you know,

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in the NFL, we're seeing alot of big tackles now, yeah,
and they're big, but they're mobile. I mean, these tackles are badasses.
Yeah, you know, we seethe top two tackles taking this year.
They're huge. Yeah, so they'lloverpower the smaller edge guys like Key,
and they can also get around andbe quicker. You can outflank them
with speed with the receiver, dependingon how you design it, whether it's
wide zone or whether it's just aquick pop pass as a jet. You

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know. So it's I think we'llbe in trouble in that aspect. But
the only thing that would save usthere is how athletic our linebackers are with
Sweat and Jeffers Simmons where they don'thave to really worry about a cutback so
they can flow there. And thenwe also have some physical corners on the
outside and Snead and McCrary, sothat'll help us out a bit too.
I was about to say, Ithink getting corners defensive backs that are physical,

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that are willing to come up andcrash the play is probably a key
to it. And part of mewonders if Denard Wilson is looking at this
kind of well, the Titans regimeas a whole is kind of looking at
this situation like, you know,we weren't going to be able to check
every box this offseason. We've we'veheard them say that a couple of times
in media availability throughout the spring.If they're just like, you know what,

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we checked as much off the listas we could, and maybe there's
a way that we can kind ofpatchwork something together with you know, safety
and cornerback help to kind of helpmitigate that. But I think you're right,
man. I mean, I lookat that as a potential area that
opposing offenses could exploit because of justthe personnel groupings just who who are you

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going to put out there to reallyset that edge. So we're thinking about
the teams, like I'm looking atthe schedule, like the first team that
pops up is Green Bay, andthe way that they run the ball could
could be a long day, along day for the Titans defense in that
mess at Green Bay as well too. I can't remember off the top of
it. I don't remember off thetop of my head. Off it's there.
But that's gonna be an interesting gamewith Lafleur, you know. So

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he's salivating at that. Yeah.So elsewhere on defense, do you feel
like the personnel editions this spring havebeen good enough? Oh? Absolutely,
you know, I'm very, veryexcited about that corner. We haven't had
a shut down corner in the Titanshistory in Nashville. We just haven't.
You know, the closest we've hadto that is, you know, you're

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out people altera Ron Werner, you'rechasing mccordy's. Those guys were, you
know, shut down in their day. Cortland Finnegan in his own way,
was shut down. Yeah, butwe haven't had a bona fide, nationally
recognized shut down corner ever. AndLajarius Sneed is that guy. And when
you're looking at the schedule and yousee these ones that we have to face,
doesn't it feel good to say wegot a guy for that. Yeah?

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Yeah, absolutely does. Yeah.And Jake, Jake's got our back
in the comments, Green Bay isat home so perfect, so at least
we'll have some a little bit ofjuice there. But you know, with
go ahead to your point, Iwas stoked when they signed Cheeto and I'm
like, oh man, they checkedoff the cornerback need. Now they can

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get get a guy in the draft, and you know we'll be said.
The Lagarious Need trade kind of blindsidedme. And then I'm looking at the
group on paper after that trade andI'm thinking, man, damn, this
is this may be the best topthree defensive backs this this team has ever
seen, between Sneid, Cheeto,and McCreary in the slot, like this

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is this is a good group.I think this is This is an area
where they went from truly weak andeverybody was crying about the offensive line at
the end of last season, andrightfully so, it was atrocious. But
I kind of stepped back and waslike, hey, this secondary is just
as dire of a situation as thisoffensive line, and they took it from

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dire to one of the strengths ofthis team at this point, and at
least on paper. You know,you still have to anything can happen in
the NFL. You have to putthat caveat in there. But this is
a group that I think Titans fanshave good reason to get excited over.
It's definitely that, you know,it has to. It's a testament to
Carthen and the job he's done overthe last you know, year and a

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half is yeah, with the teamto be able to turn any weakness into
a strength. I mean, wesee Monty Austin Ford out there in Arizona,
a guy that interviewed for the positionthat's still working on getting you know,
Arizona together. So it's a process, but Carton has really expedited that
process, and from all accounts,after he got the job, that's something
that you know, was part ofhis pitch to Amy was that this isn't

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going to be a five year rebuild. It's looking like a three year rebuild,
especially if Levis turns out to bewho he should be. I mean,
we're we're ready after next year orafter this year, I think I'm
glad you're doing my segues for me. Man, good, good work.
You should be the host of theshow today. Oh no, man talking
about Will Levis. Man, Idon't know about you, but it feels

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like all of a sudden, thereare like film studies, tape grinders are
out there, like just now gettingaround to Will Levis's tape, and like,
holy shit, maybe this kid isn'tthe thirty third best quarterback in the
NFL. Maybe he does flash somepretty elite traits. And the way I
phrased it was like the Titans.I guess if you're a national analyst,

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the Titans are that team that youget around to in May and June when
nothing else is going on and youcan finally get around to these small market
teams. So maybe that's just abyproduct of that. Guys really are just
now getting around to the Will Levistape. But I'm pretty sold on him
in the sense that I think he'sthe guy. I think he's shown enough
that you push your chips to themiddle of the table on the rookie contract

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and you're looking at it as likethe next two years, we've got this
guy to maximize his potential. Butwhat do you need to see from Will
Levis in year two to get tothat point where you feel like, Okay,
this is the franchise guy. There'sno more there's no more evaluating to
be done. He's our guy.What areas that do you think he needs
to improve in to get to thatpoint? So, yeah, I'm really

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confident and Will Levis being the guy. I would say about seventy percent confident
he can be that guy. Butat thirty percent that really is in the
back of my mind, and it'sit really has to do with Levis's temperament,
especially endgame. It's not about histemperament out off the field or on
the sidelines, it's about his temperamentin game as a quarterback. He's really
from my liking, he's two gunslingky, and to Callahan's liking, he's

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two guns slinky too. But allyou know, we've he said it that
call or Levis is two guns lingy. Levis has said it himself. So
that's an issue as a quarterback,especially a young quarterback, when defenses are
trying to confuse you, you know, they're they're rotating coverages all on the
back end. They're bringing sim pressures, trying to confuse you and sort of

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baiting you and trapping you into thatplaying that hero ball, like you have
to make a hero throw every playwhen you absolutely don't. And Levis sort
of gets he sort of has thatcomplex in game, like I've got to
make a hero play. And it'sunderstandable because if you're if you've been the
best player on your team for yourwhole career, you're the best player when
you get to the SEC. Imean the SEC. I mean we're talking
Kentucky though, but the SEC you'rethe best player on that team, You're

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gonna have that complex that you cando that, you know what I mean.
So, but the NFL is different, Grady different or different Gravy.
So he has to be able tocontrol his temperament in that in that manner,
and Callahan seems like he's gonna bethe best coach to control his temperament
form by you know, not necessarilygiving him those reads like Tim Kelly.

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I mean, Tim Kelly says,just go out there and sling it.
Man. We're gonna do hard playaction face and we're gonna throw Yankee all
day. Yeah, you know that'snot gonna be the case. That's not
gonna be the case with Yankee orCallahan. Yeah, and I think,
you know, I think the situationin twenty twenty three contributed to that as
well, because I think the heroball stuff was probably amplified because the receiving

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situation. Outside of DeAndre Hopkins,he didn't have guys that could naturally separate,
and he was fighting for his lifeon every play behind that offensive line.
So to me, it felt likethere was a lot of his play
kind of screamed, I've got todo something miraculous or else nothing is going
to happen at all. And so, pardon me, wonders if just by
virtue of theoretically improving the offensive line, I'm not gonna get burned again by

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saying the offensive line can't get anyworse than it did last year, because
that, Yeah, it's crazy.Who would have thought Andre Dillard worse than
Dennis Daily, But here we are. But I think if you just marginally
improve the offensive line situation and thenstockpiling weapons around him, it's not just
you know, the Calvin Ridley signing, but the Tyler Boyd signing that you

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mentioned, Tony Pollard signing, Ithink is going to help him out there.
Getting all these weapons around him andimproving the offensive line in front of
him, I think should should makeit a little easier. Maybe he doesn't
quite feel compelled to do the heroball thing as often now. Something that
Brian Callahan talked about on The AthleticFootball Show that I thought was particularly interesting

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that pertains to this conversation. Hementioned getting Levis's completion percentage up, and
I think a lot of people hearthat and they just think, like,
why would you coach for a statistic? Why would you coach to like who
cares? That seems kind of silly. But if you stop and think about
the layers that go into improving yourcompletion percentage, if he's completing more passes,

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it means he's more likely that he'shitting on more of the underneath,
mid range intermediate kind of passes,the quick passes and stuff like that.
And that is, to your point, an element of his game that I
think he does need to improve on. His learning to take those checkdowns,
to take the dump off to theflat, or throwing more of the open
guy underneath for for five yards insteadof going for the kill shot. That

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sort of thing. But I thinkhis go watch him in game, his
eyes go straight to the downfield.They don't start underneath, you know,
And that's just that's something that iscan be coached out of him. But
that's temperamental to when you're dropping back, your eyes shoot up. I mean,
you look like you're on a cartoontrying to like an astronaut or something,
trying to throw something deep every time. But you know, like like

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you said, I mean it's Levishas the capability to be a really,
really really good West Coast quarterback too, with how quick this release is and
he doesn't have to be on platformto make accurate throws strength like strong accurate
throws, especially to the flats.So that can really help in a West
Coast off because we're gonna be inlet's be honest, we're gonna be in
a West Coast offense. It's gonnabe a lot of you know, dipping

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dunk. Yeah, you know.And we can talk about this later,
Stony, We can about the runsgame, because they did say, you
know, Big Coach is gonna bethe run game. We'll talk about that
on the list. But you know, he has the he has the capability
to be a really good West Coastquarterback. Put it's all in his head
and he's got every other tool thatyou need as a quarterback. His temperament

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off the field, on the sidelines, in the huddle is exactly what you
want in a quarterback. I'd ratherhave that than the temperament we had before
with the Tannehill and Mariota. Butyou know, he that's what That's another
thing. I love, love tosee him. But he has absolutely everything.
It's just in between the in betweenthe ear holes sometimes. So I'm
confident he can do it, andI'm confident Callahan can get him there.

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Yeah. And and by all accounts, you know, people have said it
was something that I missed when Iwas scouting him because a lot of the
the exterior people that didn't work orplay with Will Levis were saying like,
oh, the dude's kind of quirky, Like I don't know if if players
are going to rally around him.And I think I took that to heart
a little too much when I wasscouting Levis, and it was part of

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the reason why I was so lowon him. But you hear people that
played with him, that coach himtalked about how smart he was, how
hard he worked, and all thatsort of thing. And when you hear
these conflicting reports from scouts and peopleoutside the building saying he's quirky, he's
kind of cocky, it was easyfor me. I'll hold myself accountable.

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It was easy for me to lookat that and say, well, yeah,
of course the people that coached andplayed with him are going to say
nice things about him, because youknow, they want to see their boys
succeed. And it reflects well onthem too to say that, you know,
he's this awesome player. But Ithink the thing that we're finding out
from the first game against Atlanta isthat a lot of that stuff is true.
A lot of that stuff is true. That he's a sharp kid,

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that he's a hard worker. AndI'll just I'll never forget the Jeffrey Simmons
quote miked up in that game wherehe's like that damn Will Levis can play
man like ye to see that momentwhere his teammates, not just his teammates
but like one of the cornerstones ofthis franchise right now, and Jeffrey Simmons
just light up and you see itjust in real time, like oh shit,

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this is a this is a duderight here. It answered that question
for me, and that is somethinglike you said, I don't think you
can coach I don't think you cancoach into somebody. And it's one of
the most important traits that your quarterbackcan have, is that sort of that
that mentality that guys want to playfor, that guys want to rally around,
the toughness, the want to thework ethic. And so when he

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answered those questions for me, Iwas like, all right, let's let's
go. Let's let's build around thisguy while he's still on the rookie deal,
and let's let's really give him ashot to be successful. So that
really impressed me with will levis thatpart of it, with you know,
the guys rallying around him. Butyou know what really impressed me even more
than that about him, what's thatjust with his teammates, is when he

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got in DeAndre Hopkins' ass on thesideline. Oh yeah, in one of
the games. I mean, thisguy is a rookie quarterback, this is
his third or fourth game in theleague, and he's getting into a Hall
of Famer's ass right there on theon the sideline. They're going right back
at it. Yeah, you don'tsee that in a rookie quarterback. No,
you know what I mean. Andas we have the comments here,
d Ops is numb one fan.He's a fan of Will Levis. They

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didn't really get that many reps intraining camp. It was you know,
Milik Willis, it was Ron Tannehill. They said that we didn't really get
reps until week eight when we wereweek six when we started, you know,
when he was confirmed as a starter. So Ford hop to already be
a big, big fan of hisafter that exchange, and them to have
the mutual respect for each other andthe understanding that, hey, we just
want to get better. That's whatreally impressed me. Man Is with him

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doing that as a rookie. Youdon't see that. Yeah, And we
appreciate you watching chef Ran dropping thatin the comments for us. Uh,
let's move on, because I couldsit here and gush about Will Levis and
we can the intricacies of this passinggame and the offense and all that all
day. But I do want totalk about the run game a bit because
I kind of feel like it's anaspect of this offense that people are sleeping

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on and Titans fans after the offensethat they've they had seen for so many
years. It looked like we werekind of getting somewhere with Tim Kelly.
But this Brian Callahan offense really feelslike modern NFL and you're seeing passes thrown
in volumes you hadn't seen before outat the OTAs people. People are right

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to get excited about this offense.But that's a little nugget you mentioned it
before that Bill Callahan's gonna be therun game coordinator. They've already kind of
said like they're gonna mix things upbetween gap and zone. I like that.
I think that's, you know,be multiple, be harder to defend.
But I think the byproduct of thatbeefing up the offensive line literally getting

(31:33):
bigger bodies in the offensive line,and then adding Tony Pollard even like I'm
I'm stoked about the addition of DylanJohnson as an undrafted free agent as well.
I think he gives him a prettya pretty good stable of running backs
here. I kind of feel likethis team's going going to be a sneaky
good rushing team in twenty twenty four. Where do you stand on that?

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Man? I think we have theopportunity to be really, really good,
you know, in the run game, especially depending on who we have at
guard. You know, I don'tknow if it's going to be Raidings or
who it's gonna be, but Raidenscan be really solid in the run game.
Cushion Barry is really solid in therun game. Skeronsk laid them earn
their butter off the run game.But it's you know, another thing that
I'm excited about with the run game, like you said, is how multiple

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will be in the run game.So if you look around the league and
you look at these guys, thisis something that Callahan set himself and something
that you do and I know Ido, is look around the best teams
in the league and how they runthe ball and how they do it.
You know, you look at youlook at San Francisco, you look at
La La in particular McVeigh. Imean he had the Bible on one side

(32:43):
of his desk and then he hadthe wide Zome book on the on the
right side of his desk. Buthim, of all people, they're multiple
now, you know what I mean, Shanahan's multiple. Now they're nobody's exclusive
to to one side of it.And that's what I loved most about about
the nugget that they dropped the workto be we're gonna run gap end zone.
But also with the profiles of linementhat we're grabbing, it's a lot

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closer to that McVeigh style offensive linemanthat he's changed to. Big big guys.
Got he's got that right guard Dotsonthat they just resigned a malleryeh.
And when you think wide zone historicallyand these linemen, when you think of
the zone scheme, you don't seemallers like that anymore. It's getting back
to the old school, and Ithink it's to combat the smaller, quicker,

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defensive lineman. So you know,it's sort of like it feels good
to feel like we're ahead of thecurve on something like that, at least
for sure, profile archetype wise,with offensive lineman. Latham's one, I
mean, he's he's a beast,scronsky, just another just a road grader.
And then you know, whoever weput it right guard. It's gonna
be exciting to see. But Ijust love that we're going to be in

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a multiple scheme running you know,zone, running gap, and it's really
going to keep them off balance.So I'm excited about that. Man,
that's really beyond all the passing stuff. I'm not even as I'm more excited
about the run game. I mean, let's be honest. Yeah, I
We're going to get into the weedsa little bit here, but I I
like it sometimes all right, ifpeople are watching listening and it turns them

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off, just let me know andwe can we can broaden our scope again.
But Brian Callahan mentioned like studying theplay calling tendencies of Kyle Shanahan and
you know, obviously Lafleur and comingfrom Zach Taylor and the McVeigh system and
that sort of thing. And I'mI'm like looking at the forty nine Ers

(34:31):
playbook and there's one thing that reallystands out to me is how many like
choice routes they run with Christian McCaffreyout of the backfield. And those things
are so hard to defend, especiallywhen you have a guy like McCaffrey.
And so I'm I'm kind of likereading the tea leaves here and I'm like,
man, I just I wonder ifhe's going to want to sprinkle more
of that into this offense where you'reputting linebackers or edge rushers into immediate conflict

(34:59):
not knowing which way the route isgoing to break. So I kind of
wanted to get your take on thatand not saying like Christian McCaffrey and ty
J. Spears and Tony Pollard arethe same player, but if they were
to kind of sprinkle some of thoselittle choice routes and some of the more
difficult stuff for running backs to run, or in the very least, like

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you don't typically see running backs run. It's stuff that you run if you've
got a guy like Christian McCaffrey,But what is your confidence level like in
Spears and Pollard as route runners,if they wanted to sprinkle more of that
into the offense. And I hada thread from a while ago that I
tweeted, it's on X somewhere.I mean you might. All you have
to do is type in Kamara andSpears. And I compared Spears to Alvin

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Kamara and Christian McCaffrey, not talentwise, but profile wise as a running
back and the type of running backthat they are. I saw him as
that type of running back, andPollard, of course, as that type
of running back. And I can'ttell you what I'll do. I'll probably
need an extra set of pants ifI see if I see Brian Callahan motion
out Tony Pollard or Tase Spears outthere like Shanahan does McCaffrey ten yards behind

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a line of scrimmage, Yeah,I might, I might do something crazy
to my pants. I'm not gonnalie to you. It's gonna excite me.
We gotta you and me both man. We got to stock up on
our pants before the season starts,just in case. Yes, yes,
but if that's the type of innovationthat I want to see, and that's
the type you need those type ofprofiles running backs to be able to have

(36:30):
that innovation now in this league.And even a guy like Chig. You
talk about the forty nine Ers playbook, I know you go to the H
back and see all the motions withthe H back wherever the H backs lined
up in Kyle you sit, yousick, you si yeah, or to
pronounce his name. But we havethat profile type guy in Chigakong Quo.
We do. So we are soversatile from tight end between Chig, Pollard

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and Spears that we can really youknow, sky's the limit with the innovation
that Calahan has me has to besalivating with that. That's That's what I'm
saying. Man, Like you watchedthese interviews with Brian Callahan and he just
seems to light up about certain things. And we're talking about trailing Burks this
week. It's like every time somebodybrings up trailing Burks, he lights up.

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But you just kind of ask him. He was on Busting with the
Boys and they were asking him abouta Super Bowl prediction kind of deal,
and he just kind of smiled,played it a little koy, like,
you know, I can't guarantee anything, but you could tell from the look
in his eye from the smile whenhe said, but I feel pretty good

(37:37):
about where we're at. Like this, this guy, I think he's pretty
stoked about the group that they haveon offense right now. But keeping that
trend going, it seems like we'vementioned it a couple of times on the
show already. They weren't gonna checkevery box this offseason, and it looks
like the right side of the offensiveline is one of those spots where they're

(37:58):
content to just make do with whatthey have have. JC Latham locked in
at left tackle, Peter Skeronsky lockedin a left guard and Lloyd Cushionberry locked
in at center. Like that's aformidable group. Your your left tackle to
your center right there, but rightguard and right tackle kind of feel wide
open, like they're just gonna gowith the competition throughout the summer to see

(38:19):
who who who is the cream thatrises to the top. How do you
feel about that entering training camp?Are you good with the bodies that they
have on the right side of theline competing. Do you think it's a
situation where they are just gonna haveto make do or do you think there
are a guy or maybe two guysout of this group that can really rise
up and fortify a complete offensive line. Yeah. I wouldn't say I'm,

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you know, completely content with it, but we gotta be content with it
at this point, don't we.You know what it is. It is
what it is at this point withwith who we have. But it's a
lot better this year than it waslast year competition wise for those spots,
you know. And I'm really highon Dylan Rayden's he had a transformation coming
into this offseason. I mean,the guy looks like a brick house you

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know what I mean. So Idon't I don't know if he beefed up
with that with the mind of beingpushed into the interior, or if he
was just you know, trying toget in you know, sort of better
shape and be quicker. I don'tknow, but I think Raidens has to
lock down one of those spots,preferably right tackle, just because of the
market value, like sort of dollarsteal will get if Raidens solidifies that right

(39:27):
tackle spot and we're able to resignhim. I mean you're talking that could
save us tens of millions of dollarsnext offseason if he finds a way to
lock that spot up and guard too. So guards got paid this past year
too, So I say that,but guard's got crazy money you know,
in the off season and free agencyas well. So if Dylan Raidens is
able to solidify one of those spots, because he looked really good to me
on tape towards the on the backend of the season, you know,

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the last five six games, andhe had to get over that ACL injury.
I mean, people forget he cameback early from it. He was
back in six seven months. Yeah, from that ACL injury. Yeah,
he wasn't pla, but he wasback on the practice field doing full contact
after you know, six seven months, and then he comes in this offseason.
The work ethic is not the problemwith Dylan Raidings. I think he's
been given a you know, anunfair shake more than anything. He's been

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moved from left tackle, left guard, right guard, you know, right
tackle. He's played all over,which is good in a way to build
versatility, but it's also unfair ona rookie and second third year guy trying
to get their feet wet in theNFL coming from North Dakota State University.
Yeah, you know, so it'sit's tough, but he has the talent
and he has the athleticism to bea guy and solidify one of those positions,

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right guard, right tackle for me. And if he's moved to right
guard, Bron schools a good optionas an interior swing guy, and then
we got on the tackle spot,it would I mean, I want to
see Jalen Duncan and NPF fight outfor that. Yeah, you know,
that's that's who I want to say. I'm really high on Duncan because he
was highly touted, really athletic guycoming out of Maryland last year. Would

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love to see what he can doat right tack. I'm happy to hear
you say that, because I haven'treally wavered in my love of Jalen Duncan.
I was really high on him comingout of college. I thought he
was a really coachable kid that justif he could put it together from the
neck up, had all the physicaltools that you looked for in an offensive
tackle. I still want to knowwhy he wasn't at the OTAs this week,

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because I haven't seen anybody report onit. I don't know if he's
dealing with an injury like a lotof the guys or what. That kind
of was a red flag for me. I know NPF is dealing with an
injury. It kind of sounds likeit's gonna be those two guys. As
chef Ran points out, we can'tforget about le Roy Watson. They gave
up a seventh round pick for theguys, right so, and he's obviously

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somebody that Bill Callahan does have experiencewith. I also, listen, this
might be crazy. We're talking aboutgetting into the weeds of a roster.
I don't think we should count outJohn Ajuku yet either. I really liked
his pape. At Boise State,he was a left tackle, made the
switch over to the right side.He got some playing time in twenty twenty
three. You know, it waslike a lot of the rookie offensive linemen,

(42:05):
the situation wasn't that good, andI think it really expounded how bad
they looked. And they're also likeyoung guys just trying to develop too.
So I think they've got a stableof these guys that have the talent,
the physical tools to do it.It's just a matter of who's actually going
to win the job. NPF beingthe one guy that does have experience at

(42:27):
right tackle and you know, playedsome decent football in his past. At
least it seems like that's what hehas going for him, and that's why
the fan base tends to kind ofgravitate towards him as the right tackle.
But I don't know, man,I think that's gonna be a true competition
this summer. I don't think that'sall of these guys too. Yeah,
some of them are going to geta meteoric rise under the coach and the

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Bill Kallan. It's gonna be thebest offensive line coach they've ever had.
Yeah, some of these, especiallythe young guys, are gonna, you
know, get better exponentially. Soanything we've I think of a competition right
now could be completely different once Callahangets his hands on some of these guys
and they find a way to improve, like I mean, like the fellow
you just mentioned, and then JalenDuncan too. I mean, Lord knows

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what what Bill Callahan can do withJalen Duncan. Yeah, and you know,
the the OTAs are voluntary. Wewe know that, but they're really
not so yeah. Well, Imean it's voluntary for guys like Jeff Simmons,
Harold Landry that have been around theblock a little bit. I would
not put Jalen Duncan in the categoryof guys that should be out there skipping
OTAs just because he doesn't want to. And that's that's why I kind of

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like I'm pressing the media, likey'all get out there, somebody ask about
Jalen Duncan. I know it's notgonna sell newspapers there, get clicks to
your website. Some of us someof us need to know, some of
us need you know. I gota couple of exercises for you before we
wrap up on today's show, Uh, sleeper watch. We're gonna do this
buy or sell style because I thinkthere are some names that we're hearing about

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at OTAs that Titans fans are arekind of forgett. Let's start with defensive
lineman Sebastian Joseph Day. He.Uh, you know, people are thinking
about the defensive line in terms ofJeffrey Simmons and to and Andre Sweat.
But this is still an experienced playerin the NFL. He's played some good
football in meaningful games, and heshows up for the voluntary OTAs hearing a

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couple of reports that he practiced prettywell, looked pretty good out there.
Uh, would be really awesome ifthey could get a third guy in that
defensive line rotation that could be aquality player when they're on the on the
field. Are you buying or sellingon Sebastian Joseph Day. I think we're
buying under the impression that, youknow, the stock isn't going to run
to one hundred dollars a share.Nothing, It's going to be you know,

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it might be a penny stock,but you know it has potential to
really rise. Yeah, and aguy like that in the interior, especially
on third down if we're you know, and that's that's been my biggest gripe
with Sweat is you know, whatcan he do on third down? But
we do have a good, youknow, a stop gap in the meantime
with Sebastian Joseph Day that can bereally good, especially in this system that
I sort of foresee us having onthird downs with a lot of sim pressures

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and a lot of movement. Hefits into that mold perfectly, especially if
a guy like Jeffer Simmons is takingup double teams and you got Sebastian Joseph
Day stunting around the edge with Landryor you know, just him and jeff
Simmons stunting. He's a guy that'sperfect for that, and I really would
like to see what he does onthird down. We can't even run a
heavy third down package with you know, a heavy pass RUSS package with Sweat,

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Simmons, Joseph Day and Landry.Now you know, it's sky is
the limit, you know, sowe can because you talk, just think
about the interior pressure you'll get withSimmons in Sweat and then you have Day
and Landry. You know, whetherthey're stunting or just going down the outside.
You know, we we've got alot of potential and a lot of
versatility on that defensive line with theaddition of him, not to mention just

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depth for sweat. So I'm reallyI'm excited to see what he does,
especially with our scheme. I'm moreexcited for the scheme than for him.
But you know, I think he'llfit really well with the scheme. They
added a big bodied, versatile offensivelineman in Sadiq Charles that has experienced at
a couple of spots. You figurehe's going to be guard depth. And
I know the media is not allowedto talk about like the personnel groupings during

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the OTAs, like who's playing where, But from what I've seen online,
from what I've heard, Charles isa guy that we should probably put on
on our radar as a as areal dark horse to win one of those
right right side of the line jobs. And I like how you did,

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stony trying trying to say, tryingto say what I can say, but
I I do think that UH Titansfans are kind of sleeping on the addition,
I think he's a versatile guy thatcan can plug in in a couple
of different spots, and from theway he's looked at OTAs from from what
I'm hearing, like he's he's aguy that could be on the rise this

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summer as well. Are you ironare selling on Sadik Charles? So in
that capacity that you say, Idefinitely buy on Sadee Charles especially, he's
a guy that Callahan wonted in,you know what I mean. So he's
seen what what Charles is capable of, and to a certain extent at LSU,
we've seen with what Charles is capableof. He I mean, he
played he played left tackle at LSU. So I really put a lot of

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stock into those guys that come fromthose big time conferences that have you know,
produced in those big time conferences.So I think he'll do he'll do
well when give him the opportunity.But as you said, I think he'll
just be a swing guy at most, you know what I mean. The
last guy I want to mention isJosh Wiley. Went down pretty pretty early
in his rookie season with an injury, but I thought he flashed some pretty

(47:45):
good play. Kind of a jackof ball trades tight end, but looks
like a guy that could be apiece in this offense, particularly like up
the scene. You again, Ihate to just you could tell I'm like
fan boying over the forty nine Ersplaybook, but like seeing some of those
routes that their tight ends run upthe scene. I'm just picturing Josh Wiley

(48:05):
with Will Levis, you know,throwing throwing stuff thirty yards down the field
like touchdowns all day, baby.But I kind of feel like the fan
base is sleeping on him as afactor in the offense at the tight end
spot. Sounds like he looked prettygood uh this week as well? Are
you buying and selling Josh Wiley?So I'll be honest, man, this

(48:25):
might sound a little crazy, butgoing into the offseason I had Wiley a
little at least on par with Chiggat the tight end spot, just through
where we're at as a pure tightend for sure. You know Wiley.
Wiley is a guy, and Wileyshowed us a lot of promise last offseason,
especially in the past game with himhow good he is in the past

(48:47):
game. All he has to dois be serviceable in the run game and
nobody's gonna say a thing, youknow. So, but you need a
guy like Josh Whally that can stretchthe stretch the middle of the field,
put pressure on the linebackers and safetiesright there to allow for those underneath routes
to happen and occur underneath. Sodefinitely buying on a guy like Josh Wiley.
And I'm really excited to see whathe can do, man, because

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I think he can. People mightbe surprised by his snapshare that we see
this year, especially considering that Callahanhimself has said that we need to add
more tight ends. I don't thinkhe's talking about adding tight ends in the
archetype and profile at Chigakonko. He'stalking about adding adding tight ends in the
manner of Wiley, because Wiley isgoing to be somebody that will be relied

(49:29):
on and he has unfortunately history ofconcussions. So I think, I mean,
what do you think about about Wileyand his snapshot? I think it
could be incredibly high, more thanChigg potentially. Oh dude, So we
h we actually started cooking this upon football and other f words on Wednesday.
I think Mike, Zach and Iare all on the same page.
Like we haven't. We haven't fullyfleshed out the idea just yet, but

(49:50):
the little the nugget is there,like Josh Josh Wiley probably tight end one
for this team in twenty twenty.Very well, I didn't want to say
it, but very out there.Yeah, he very well could be man
because Jigs struggled last year, Let'sbe honest. I mean he struggled with
drops, he struggled with with someother things. And at the end of

(50:12):
the day, if you scout tightends and you scout draft guys all the
time. I don't consider myself ascout, but I look at guys and
I can put them in the inthe buckets. Jig a coon quo is
a gadget guy. He is,and we don't have that luxury to have
right now. You know, currentstate and last year especially, we did
not have the luxury to have agadget guy and to try and feed a

(50:35):
gadget guy. We just didn't.So until we have that luck, we
earned that right to have a gadgetguy as an offense. Chig is an
afterthought to me for the meantime.No, but he he can be great.
Yeah, I'm with you. We'reon the same page. There so
similar similar options here. We're gonnado buy or sell, but we're gonna
flip the qualifier here fresh start stockwatch. So these are guys that are

(50:58):
getting a fresh start under a newregime, that still have some talent that
that we'll we'll see where they goif if they benefit from this change in
leadership. Let's start with the easyone, because we've already talked about him,
Dylan Raidin's. I think he'll doreally well. You know, he
was doing really well last year withthe catastrophe of an offensive line coach and

(51:19):
staff we had last year. Imean that that offensive line coach last year
came from a high school, didn'the. I mean I did some research.
I don't know, and I'm prettysure he did. I'm pretty sure
he did. He did come froma high school. He was a head
coach somewhere. But he might havehad in Chili's for all I know.
Who knows the way, Yeah,who knows. And he didn't bring no
discounts or nothing, So you know, that's a problem. If he's gonna
come from Chili's, bring a damndiscounts, some gift cards something. But

(51:44):
yeah, you know, ratings,man, I think he's going to be
a really good asset. Not onlydo I want him to be a good
asset, I think he can bea good asset, and I see that
he can be a good asset oneither spot, right guard, right tackle,
and at the end of the day, even if he doesn't win one
of those jobs, one of thebetter swing tackles that we that we could
have, but I definitely see himwinning that I want. My heart says,

(52:06):
I want him to win the righttackle job. But it really doesn't
matter because of the way guards andtackles are being paid now. Guards,
I mean guards got paid this pastoffseason, so we're able to steal money
essentially if Ravens turns out to bea guy that we're able to repay or
not repay, but we're able topay at right guard or right tackle.
Yeah, that's you want to talkabout icing on the cake with with Dylan

(52:28):
Gis. If he pans out,that would be Uh, then look at
the look at the offensive line afterif he pans out, Yeah, then
we only have one hole, youknow what I mean? Yeah, for
the next three or four years.So, uh, do you think there's
any juice left to squeeze from CalebFarley h Unfortunately, though, I don't.
I don't see anything with him.He's a guy that I see as

(52:50):
a candidate that could be possibly movedto safety. I mean yeah, because
he you know, he's he's losta little bit of his his You talk
about squeeze and juice, he's losta little litle bit of his juice coming
out of Virginia Virginia Tech with youknow, athletic wise, he has to
have from what you know, itjust naturally he's had to have. He
hasn't really been in the mix inthe last couple of years, but he

(53:12):
has the length and he has thesize to be a serviceable safety, more
so than Molden in my opinion.Okay, so you know, I like
molding but Molden and Hooker are inthe same group with me. They just
don't cover enough ground for me asa safety. They just don't. And
if you're going to be a hybridsafety, you've got it. In this
day and age, you don't haveto be a you know, cover as
much ground as a free safety,but you've got to be able to cover

(53:34):
ground as a safety in this league, and Molden and Hooker do not.
Farley can. So I you know, that's something. I don't think he
can pan out at corner. Idon't see a path or avenue for him
to play corner for this football teamat a decent rate. But I do
see a path to where we couldpotentially work on moving him to safety and
see what he does this year.I mean, I don't know, just
to get something out of him.Yeah, And I feel like Farley,

(53:58):
man. I try not to makeexcuses for players as much as I can,
but at the same time, Farleyfeels like a guy that the deck
was stacked against him from the jump. I mean, a guy that,
even at Virginia Tech had just movedto corner, like was still learning the
position and had an injury history tobegin with. He's drafted in the first

(54:20):
round, so drafting, being draftedin the first round comes with those expectations.
And then he can't stay healthy andyou know, kind of struggles struggles
seemed to struggle to learn the defenseunder Shane Bowen, and we know how
Vrabel operated. It was like,if you can't do your job, you

(54:42):
know you're not gonna play. Andif you got in Mike Rabel's doghouse,
man, you might as well buya home there. Buy some land set
up shop, you wouldn't get nofood or water. No. I kind
of felt like the deck has beenstacked against Farley and it just feels like
it's one thing after another with him, and you hate to see it for

(55:04):
a guy that all of my mediafriends that talk to the guy say like
he is one of the nicest dudesin that locker room. And I think
when you look at the traits,he's still probably one of the fifty three
best athletes on this roster. Justfrom a pure athletic standpoint, I think
he probably is still a really goodathlete, and you hope that if there's

(55:27):
any shot of him making it,it is in this coaching staff saying hey,
we know how to harness that athleticismto get this guy on the field,
whether it's just special teams or likeyou said, I think there is
a path forward for him moving tosafety. They have a need there.
Why wouldn't you want to look atone of your best athletes at the spot
back there where you need see whathappens the versatility. Yeah, I think

(55:52):
there's a shot, but so farfrom what we've seen, I don't think
there's any production to warrant buying onKB Farley right now. I think I
would still be selling with the ideathat it's house money. If you can
find a spot for him on thisteam, it would definitely sell with him.
And you know, one thing wetalk about the impact Bill Callahan has

(56:13):
all offensive linemen, and yeah,I'm not trying to be visietious. I'm
not trying to be funny, butI'm just being honest. The new strength
and conditioning team can have a similartype impact on Caleb Farley for sure.
Let's let's be honest. You know, that can do him a lot of
good. And just a different styleof rehab, a different style of maintenance,
a different style of just taking careof your body could do him really

(56:36):
good and we might be able tosee that what could be the best of
what Caleb Farley has left. Youknow, he only has one year left.
He's not gonna Yeah, you know, it's it's house money. Like
you said, Yeah, a guythat has been kind of polarizing in the
in the past, it seems likeone of those guys you either love him
or you hate him. Kind ofkind of feels to me like Kyle Phillips

(56:57):
is on thin ice right now withthe way they they added Tyler Boyd,
they drafted Jakwan Jackson. Kyle Phillipsis a guy that has struggled with an
injury history. Has flashed really goodslot receiver potential at times, but didn't
really put it together under Mike Rabel. There times that I kind of felt
like he might have been one ofthose guys that was in Mike Rabel's doghouse

(57:17):
too because he couldn't stay healthy orsomething that he's in mind too. Yeah,
glass Man, glass Man, Yeah, fair enough. But with a
change in regime, do you thinkthere's a spot for Kyle Phillips to flourish
or do you think he's just oneof the victims of the sheer volume that
they have at wide receiver right now. I think he's a victim of that,

(57:40):
but also I think he's a youknow, he's a victim of injuries
too. He's He's I'm completely sellingon this guy. I mean, this
is this is like a you know, the Wolf of Wall Street. We're
talking buying and selling the Wolf ofWallstroom and you get the penny stocks and
you feel like he got ripped off. That's that's how I feel with Kyle
Phillips as much hype as he gotin the offseason as a rookie, as

(58:01):
much hype as he got an offseason last year. And the hype comes
from Ladder and Kone Drails. Yeah, like, I mean, come on
now. And he did the oneGiant the Giants game. He did well
in the Giants game, but thatdoesn't warrant the hype that he has,
and that's worked against him a littlebit in a lot of people's eyes,
not just myself. Yeah, youknow, but he's he's not. I

(58:22):
don't he's he has He'll be luckyto make the roster in my opinion.
He doesn't offer anything outside of theslot receiver spot, and he doesn't offer
anything on special teams. So yeah, I I I kind of feel like
it's all the writings already on thewall for him. I kind of feel
like the ship has sailed. AndI know there are people that are saying,

(58:43):
well, he's absolutely one of thesix best wide receivers on this roster,
but I just I just don't know, Like the sample size that you
have to base that off of isso small. I'm not comfortable making that
same assessment. I'm not I'm notgoing there with with Kyle Phillips, I
kind of feel like I kind offeel like he's I don't think he's gonna
make this roster if I had toget I don't think he will neither.

(59:04):
And I'm still struggling to understand whypeople think he's one of the best six
receivers on this roster. Yeah,where do they get that from? I
don't know the Giants game? Thatdoesn't that's what? What is that?
It's the New York Giants. Ithink I think you're right, though.
I think there's a lot of youknow, even going back to like the
U c l A tape, likeoh, it's really juky, clean cut,
good route running slot receiver and theTitans need it and they don't have

(59:30):
it. And all this projection basedoff of what he could be and not
what he is after I mean,he's been in the league for a couple
of seasons now, like we kindof know and he kind of know what.
He hasn't added any size or anythinglike that. That's what That's really
what I It's not his performance.It's not him as a person. Yeah,
it's not even really it's never Andto be honest and to be completely

(59:52):
candidate. It's never about the playersas a person when I when I evaluate
these guys, it's never that.Yeah, but him his work ethic and
seeing that he has his body typeis not conducive to the NFL. And
then you're also getting injured, Sowhere is your change and trying to change
as an athlete to try and betteryourself in that manner. You know,

(01:00:15):
we we see body type changes orduring the off season from players of all
positions. We see it from Raidings, you know, we saw it from
well, I can't say we sawit from Treylon Burke's, but you know,
you you see it with players.We see it. We saw it
with Derek Henry every season. Youknow, you see the work. I'm

(01:00:35):
not saying he didn't put in thework, but I'm not seeing the work.
I'm not seeing the the preventive stuffwith the with the injuries because he's
always injured. So I'm not seeingany fruit of that. I'm not seeing.
That's a good comment from Jake there, but that one break through Stingley
to the ground four years ago incollege, uh huh. And I'm just

(01:00:55):
not seeing the the fruit of hiswork. To to put it plainly,
with Kyle Phillips, and you knowthat's that's important to me. Same thing
with Traylon Burton. If you gotTraylon Burson here, it'll be the same
thing. With him. I'm notseeing the fruit of the work. And
with trailing Burt' it's something I don'treally even see the work. You know
it's but we'll see. That's awhole different, whole different conversation. Well,

(01:01:17):
let's let's go into it, becauseTraylon Burks is the last guy that
I wanted to ask you about.Awesome we mentioned earlier. Brian Callahan's face
seems to light up every time thatsomebody mentions Traylon Burks, and he seems
kind of excited to get to workwith the guy. You talk about the
lofty expectations with Caleb Farley Man,multiply that by a million for Traylon Burks

(01:01:39):
after the aj Brown trade, expectationsthat he was never going to live up
to, in my opinion, anda tough spot for him to be in.
He's also struggled with injuries. He'she's a guy that you know,
I have it on pretty good authority, was probably in Mike Rabel's doghouse as
well, and it was kind ofthere was kind of his fault kind of

(01:02:01):
it's about like you give him,you give him the spotlight in a big
moment and he drops the ball andfair foul. Just wasn't given chances or
opportunities after that. But it soundslike maybe turning over a new leaf under
Brian Callahan. What do you thinkthe ceiling is for Trayling Burks in twenty

(01:02:23):
twenty four? I receiver three.That's what I think the ceiling is.
And you know, I don't.I think he sees twenty percent of the
snaps of game maybe at the most. That's what I'm thinking, maybe maybe
twenty five. I'm not really I'mnot high on trailing burtson. This is
fault of his own. I mean, let's be honest. It's it to

(01:02:45):
me from what I have on authoritytoo with them, things in the offseason
that have occurred that you know,weren't reported and stuff like that. The
guy is not really you might haveheard. I mean it's Nashville is a
small city. He's not really.I can't say we know. I can't
say we know. I'm trying towatch my words here. We got a
football sometimes we do we do?We do, but football, I don't

(01:03:09):
know if it was his number onepassion as a receiver as much as Rabel
wanted, you know what I mean. And then there was a couple of
other things that he wasn't living upto the expectation with Rabel off the field
and other manners as well. Sothat's that'll be what I what I put
it as. But you know,he he does that stuff, and Rabel's
probably like, Okay, you're inthe doghouse, but I'm gonna give you

(01:03:30):
an opportunity. You're number one.I have to give you an opportunity,
and then you squander it there,you know. So that's the double whammy
against Rabel, and you know he'sout of there, but he sort of
gets a new leaf here with thisnew coaching staff. He's lucky. He's
a lucky guy. Trailing Burch isgets a new leaf with the coaching staff,
new receiving coach, new head coach. You know, we still got

(01:03:52):
Carton, so he still has anew leave with Carthon because that's not one
of Carton's guys. That's the jRob guy. But it's all about what
Trailing Burch does. You know whyto me, see, why is it
this offseason that he starts to gethelp from veteran receivers, you know,
with training with DeAndre Hopkins, trainingwith a guy like Ridley, Why did
it start this offseason? Why didn'tit start last offseason? He was healthy
going in the last offseason, wasn'the I'm not mistaken he was. He

(01:04:14):
was. Why didn't that start lastoffseason? That's my question with him?
And I don't know, Yeah,we just don't know. It's decision making.
And I'm not saying he wasn't doingthe work, but it's decision making
of how you're doing it. Now. You're putting into work with veteran guys,
Hall of Fame guys that have doneit and continue to do it.
And look at the fruit that you'realready I mean, he won an off

(01:04:35):
Season Award last year, but lookat the fruit you're already getting with the
coaching staff from working with a guythe caliber of DeAndre Hopkins, a veteran
that'll tell you the way and showyou the way. Look at the guys
that DeAndre Hopkins has worked with andyou know under in his career, Larry
Fitzgier, Andre Johnson, two ofthe best model pros that you could have

(01:04:57):
from a receiver spot, you knowwhat I mean. So the knowledge is
there, I just don't know ifit's being seeked until now. I would
be really really curious, really interestedto hear both party's opinion on the relationship.
I would really be curious to hearwhat Mike Rabel and Tim Kelly thought
of Traylon Burkes. And I wouldbe really curious to know what Traylan Burke's

(01:05:19):
felt about the previous regime, becauseyou know, there's nobody's going to publicly
bash one another or anything like that. But I have felt like the way
that Burke's was utilized was kind ofI I think the actions, the behavior

(01:05:40):
speaks more than the words, andthe way that they used Burke's last season
it kind of just made me feellike that I think there's something there.
I think there's some kind of frictionbetween the two, and you know,
I don't know that for sure.That is me just recklessly speculating in front
of a microphone. For however manypeople are going to listen to this episode.
We're not the first or the last. Yeah, to be fair,

(01:06:02):
we're not the first or the last. But I do think it's interesting to
see, like you pointed out,all of a sudden, like getting in
the work and hearing Brian Callahan talkabout how he's can, he's athletic,
he's big, he can do multiplethings. DeAndre Hopkins is defending him in
press conferences talking about he's one ofthe most athletic guys he's he's played with.

(01:06:27):
I kind of I do kind offeel like there has been new life
breathed into Burks' career, but Ikind of see him as more of like
the gadgety wide receiver for as likewhere he probably best fits into this offense
guy that you can use in motionand to run like some of the decoy
routes and stuff like that. AndI think if you can develop him into

(01:06:50):
a playmaker without the pressure of beingaj Brown, I think maybe you got
a little bit of house money withhim too. And the thing with the
thing with him too is we haveto take an account. It's the same
grace so we gave to and AndreSweat for being young, trailing Burch was
young as well when he got thevery first strike. We did we didn't
we talked about the two latest strikes, but the first strike with trailer Burch

(01:07:14):
was coming into camp rookie camp outof shape. Yeah, and so but
again, like I, I don'tknow it, it's just where the where
to go? Yeah, it's awaynow. Yeah. I mean listen,
I had as a kid. Ihad asthma as a kid, and the
doctor told me if I got inbetter shape that it would likely go away

(01:07:35):
at some point, and it did. But you're talking about like over the
course of five years, not oneoff season. So I'm right, I'm
big natural. I'm also not anot an NFL athlete either, so big
natural though. Man, Well,you know I do I do try,
I do try. Yeah, butyou know that's the we talk about the
strikes with him, and he's hadplenty of strikes and with this time with

(01:07:59):
Rabel, and you know, Rabelwas his own guy. But I could
side with Rabel on this particular pointwith him, you know, from and
of course we're not all gonna we'renot all gonna know the ins and out.
So what happened, But like Isaid, Nashville is a small city,
and you know, things things happen. Yeah, Well that's it on
the Fresh Start stock watch. Lastquestion, I want to ask if you

(01:08:21):
think there are any people on thisroster is my cat, get down,
Get down down. My cat's justdecided, Like, all right, you
guys have been talking for an hour. It's time I need to be fair.
You guys are talking about run gameand and why are there any guys
on this roster that we haven't talkedabout or like sleeper candidates that you don't
feel like Titans Twitter is talking aboutenough that you think could really surprise and

(01:08:45):
steal a roster spot this summer.Yeah, one guy that And I've got
really one guy in mind right here. And he's he's performed when he's winning
games. He played a little bitlast year and from Eastern Kentucky t K
McClinton, okay, defense of lineman, I think he'll do really well.
I see a lot of potential withhim. I mean, he's a small
school guy, but he's really gotthe talent from what I've seen stepping in

(01:09:06):
as a rookie and performan I couldsee him really doing well, especially with
a new new coaching staff, youknow, new lease on life, a
new opportunity for him. It's sortof a frush slate for him. They
see his tape from last year andthey saw that, you know, he
did pretty well. That's the guyI see that could change, that could
really steal a spot on that defensiveline because there's open spots on the defensive

(01:09:27):
line. Let's be honest, AndI think T k mpenny could be one
of those guys. I really liket K Mclinton. Yeah, I'm with
you. He's he's flashed at timesas well. I'm I'm going pretty deep
into the undrafted free agent well forthis one, I'm I'm going with Gabe
Judy Lawley, and I think he'she's kind of a dog. He plays
hard. It's what Denard Wilson's lookingfor in a defensive back. I don't
think you play him at corner though. I mean, you watched some of

(01:09:49):
his tape in like one on onesituations, was was kind of kind of
rough. But I'm I'm thinking,like, they need bodies at safety,
right, they need they do theyI've got a question mark there that they
need to get creative in solving.Unless you know, I do still expect
him to sign a Marcus may orsomething like somebody like that. But I

(01:10:10):
think gave Judy Lawley is a guythat could make the transition to safety plays
really hard, kind of plays likea safety if you watch his tape already,
and I think he's somebody that inthat room can probably find a home,
and they just they need bodies,They need to they need to tinker
around with that safety spot to findan option. So I'm going with with
Juty Lawley. Chef Ran chimes inand says James Williams on special teams should

(01:10:35):
be nice. And then our guy, Jake, Dylan Johnson from the Rooftops.
I'm a big Dylan Johnson fan man. I've I've been watching some of
his tape to put together for nextFriday's film Friday on Stacking the Inbox,
and I don't know how he slippedthrough the cracks of the draft. I
mean, I really think it wasjust like straight line speed m questions and

(01:10:58):
maybe injury concerns the foot deal thatwas going on. But he's a he's
a good he's a good option asan as an undrafted free agent to add
to your running back room. Jakealso mentions Khalid Duke. I haven't watched
any of him yet. Ed Rusherout of Kansas State. I know he's
got some inside linebacker in his pasttoo, I think in twenty twenty two.
So kind of a versatile piece therethat Zach has brought up before,

(01:11:23):
like, hey, this might youknow, they're looking for options at linebacker
two, might be an interesting,interesting transition there. So that's all I
got for you. You worried aboutthe green dot, real quick, Stony,
the green dot. Let's talk aboutthe green dot for thirty more real
quick. It's one of those thingslike, look, I kind of felt
like, Okay, we got tofigure out who is going to wear the

(01:11:43):
green dot, who is going tobe that guy? But then we're still
talking about it three months later,and I'm like, man, I don't
he was blown out of proportion alittle bit. Well, I think,
you know, like at a certainpoint, like we kind of know who
the options are and we can kindof discern who is probably the best option.
But you know, it's like there'sa we're talking about the blocking sleds
too, man. Sometimes like weget hung up on these things and we're

(01:12:06):
just gonna we're just gonna talk aboutit. Blood and Olga and Bertha.
Yeah, Olga Bertha. I've heardtoo much about Oga and Bertha. Yeah,
so me some clips of Calvin Ridleyrunning rounts. I need to see
that, so I gonna argue withJags fans, But no, I don't.
I don't think I I honestly stillat this point, really don't know

(01:12:26):
who's going to wear the green dot. I mean, I think it could
be a money hooker. He's beenasked about it. I ideally I would
say, like, just go aheadand give it to Cedric Gray and just
put him out there, and justlike, don't waste time. If the
vision is for him to be you'reyou're starting inside linebacker, then then go
ahead and put him out there.Just throw him to the wolves and see
if he sinks or swim. Idon't know if that's going to be the

(01:12:46):
case or not. But do youcare about it? I in the sense
of stock you put into it.I think you got to have a good
communicator in that spot. And Ithink it's something that if you've got if
you've got somebody bad out there,I think it can it can blow up
in your face. And I feellike there were issues with that in twenty

(01:13:09):
twenty when Kevin Biden. I don'tremember who wore the green dot in twenty
twenty. I think I don't Idon't remember, but I remember it was.
I can see how that'd be aproblem every every week. Kevin Byard
was like, we got to communicatebetter. We're not communicating. There's communication
issues. Kevin Byard is probably stillin a press conference somewhere talking about communication

(01:13:29):
issues. And so I think it'ssame week one. Yeah, I think
it's situations like that, like,yeah, you got to have a capable
guy wearing the green dot. ButI think there are a lot of folks
out there this offseason that have conflatedwearing the green dot to mean like good
rangy inside linebacker, And I justdon't think that's the case. Just regurgitating

(01:13:51):
the play call and in the playcall is gonna be simple. Fires on
three, Okay, come on there, we go figure it out. We're
we're educating people this morning. Bewill let's stop asking about the green dots.
Stop asking about the green dot itwill be Okay, let's let's talk
about run fits. That's what weneed to be worried about. Scraping and

(01:14:12):
that's what we need to be worried. Abouh chef Ran points out too,
that was the year. Was thatthe year that they didn't have an official
defensive coordinator. I think it mighthave been. Yeah, what kind of
show was that? Looking back onit, dude, that they wasted?
Like the best Titans offense I've everseen was that twenty twenty Titans offense.
They were scoring like thirty six pointsa game or something like that, and

(01:14:32):
they just were total hot mess ondefense. Like couldn't they were scoring thirty
six and allowing thirty eight per gameor something like that. It was it
was five. Yeah, that's that'sbeing a Titans fan. That's why we
love them, right yeah, Imean yeah, god man man, all
right, Well that's gonna do itfor us. B Will, Why don't

(01:14:54):
you shout out what you're working on, shout out where our listeners can can
find you on social media these days? Definitely, you can find me on
Twitter. That's really where I'm atthe most is b with TFTV. I
do a lot of threads talking aboutTitans, talking about football in general.
Really, I try to just bereally abstract and try and you know,
learn and teach football on Twitter.You know, it's there's a lot of

(01:15:15):
there's a lot of good people onTwitter, a lot of good resources,
and I try to just put mytwo cents in where where it's you know,
sometimes deserved and sometimes it isn't deserved, I hear. But you can
find me on find me on YouTube. Subscribe to my channel at TFTV Sports
t f TV Sports Tennessee fan Tv. I do the fan interviews outside the
stadium every single home game. I'mworking to try and do some ALA games

(01:15:36):
as well, sick, so makesure you'll check that out and subscribe to
the channel. Man, there wego, And of course I appreciate you
having me on the Morning Glory ShowThursdays at seven am Central and Glory Day
Sports YouTube channel right and early appreciateyou joining me today. It's been an
awesome show. Chef Rinn says itwas a great show as well. So
without that, thank you, Jeff. That counts for something. As always,

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soon. I gotta I gotta dosomething. Man, those Roll the Dice
Play the Board shirts. I soldlike four of them. Jake was one
of them. So shout out toJake. I appreciate that. Man.
I thought that was a bomb assdesign and all it did was bomb so
I guess I was technically kind ofright on it, and I gotta do
something. You gotta do something.You'll have to let me show it to
me afterwards. I'll get one.I like that Roll the Dice Played the

(01:16:45):
Board. I said it on theshow yesterday just randomly. I don't know
why I said it, but Iwas like, man, I thought it
was a great shirt. It madethe rounds on social media. Everybody was
like, damn, this is awesomeand retweeting it and quote tweeting it and
sharing it, and then nobody Isaw. I sold like three of those
things when when it first went live, and then a year later Jake fought

(01:17:06):
one and I got the order andI was like, damn, Jake's a
real one helping me out here.Actually, because of Jake's order, I
made my money back on the screenthat it took to make the design,
So shout out Jake. Jake's areal one. I always appreciate that.
But like I said, new designcoming too, sobroshop dot Com soon.
We still have the all your favoritesup there, the national hot T shirt.

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better shirts. Those are kind ofon the way out, but that's I'm
gonna have to I'm gonna have todiscount those. But we still got some
tank tops for for the summer that'scoming up there. That's gonna do it
for us. For Bee Will,I'm big natural Stoney Keeley And until next
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