Ep. 174: The Career of LenDale White

Stoney and Zach relive the career of Titans great, running back LenDale White, on the latest episode of The Unofficial Titans Podcast. 

Episode Transcript

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From Sobros HQ and Nashville, Tennesseeto wherever you're cheering on your Tennessee Titans.
The Sobers Network presents the Unofficial TitansPodcast. Ladies and Gentlemen, from

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the same duo that brought you anunnecessarily long deep dive into the history of
Jake Locker, we are back toprofile another Titans player from years past.
Here on the Unofficial Titans Podcast.It's your boy, Big Natural Stony Keeley.
You can follow me on Twitter atStony Keeley, collectively at Sobros Network
on all major social media platforms.Minds right ass as tight as offseason content

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rolls on, we are going tobe talking about the career, the life
and times of one Lynndale White.Some stars they burn brightly, but they
burn out quickly. And that's thecase in today's topic of discussion. Of
course, I've got my guy withme, the the the what's your position

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title at Stacking the Inbox, Zach, I gotta know how to answer editor
in chief, I guess the seeat Stacking inbox dot com. He is
the the founder and at this pointwe're just gonna call him. It might
not be the legally correct term thesole proprietor of football and other f words,
because it is his show, footballand other f words. Despite the

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Reddit people wanting to uh to getrid of him, we're not. We're
not resisting. It's his it's hisproblem. I don't don't into the reddit
sewers at all. How you doingtoday, man, I'm doing good.
We I we we got full disclosurepeak behind the curtain. We are doing
double duty. We're doing another episoderepeating after this for stecking inbox. So

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this morning I was finishing up stuffin Canva was being a complete asshole.
Hey Canva does that sometimes? Man? Yep? I don't know, Like
my projects get tangled up and I'llrealize that I've updated a template that I
needed for something else, but Ididn't get the notification. Like it's super

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easy to click a button and suddenlyyou've got like an extra slide on an
existing project and then it overwrites.I don't know, like I've I love
Canva, but at the same time, there are times that I'm like,
this is not a very intuitive,user friendly interface. So maybe I'm just
a boomer. I think you maybe just a little bit of boomer.
I think my issue was also waslike this MacBook what are they called a

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just a hard drive for the Macthe operating system or whatever. Yeah,
sometimes it just starts, you know. I could press a period and then
it just like hits like fifteen periods. So yeah, which is one of
those days. So we're we're talkingLindell White on this week's episode, and
I just from the jump, Ikind of want to know where you stand

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on the guy. Are you afan of Lindell White or are you just
completely indifferent to him? I'm aI liked Linda White during his time here.
I pulled up his stats. Ikind of for you. You hit
the nail on the head. Thesome stars shine bright, but they you
know, burn out faster. AndI can't believe that he only played four
years in the league. That seemswild to me. But there's I know

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Lindell White probably a little bit morethan most fans will Okay, I mentioned
to mentioned on Jake Locker the episode, but we have sold cars to Lindell
White. Oh cool. I metLindell White a few times as well as
Jake Locker, so I know alittle bit more about Lindell White and all
that jazz. But nothing but ahilarious, nice guy. He just kind

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of hit that wall where he justsomething happened and I don't know what,
so I can't tell you what,but something happened obviously where he just fell
out of football and fell out ofwanting to work at football, I think,
and I think that's evident in weightissues and lazy general narratives around him.

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But my god, I mean,he had a for playing four years,
he had one hundred and twenty sevenrushing touchdowns. I mean, that's
kind of ridiculous. It is manlike. Sorry, that's one hundred and
twenty seven first down sorry, twentyfour touchdowns, but still that's a lot
of touchdowns. Yeah, that's ohshit. Yeah, I was thinking carries
when you said touchdowns, and forsome reason we were both wrong there.

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But could you imagine if he hadscored one hundred and twenty seven touchdowns four
seasons and it's say first downs onhere, but it's really I mean,
we say that he played in theNFL for four seasons, but I mean
his rookie year he was used prettysparingly, which we'll we'll get into.
And then that two thousand and nineseason when he's reportedly in the best shape

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of his life, and he's stilloutshined by Chris Johnson. They they really
ramped up the carries for Chris Johnson. That was his two thousand yard season.
So when you when you peel itback a little bit, he really
only had two really really good seasons, that two thousand and seven season and
then the smashing Dash year in twothousand and eight, which I don't know,

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like I I think that's probably ultimatelyhis legacy, but I think it's
it's an interesting career to look backon because of like how good he was
for those two years and then theway he just fizzled out of the NFL
quickly and ended up happening to himafter football. I think it's a really

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good story there. And I loveLindell White. I I'm not a jersey
guy at all. I don't neverbuy jerseys. I have won Titans jersey
and it's Lyndell White's. I can'tfit in it anymore because I had it
when I was in college, butit's the only Titans jersey I've ever owned

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is a Lyndell White jersey. SoI'm I'm stoked to talk about him.
I kind of think when we talkabout this franchise's history at the running back
position, it's a lot deeper thanpeople give it credit for. I mean,
obviously the names that immediately come tomind Eddie, George Derrick, Henry,
Chris Johnson, but there is likea second layer of running backs that

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were pretty damn good in their ownright, and guys like Lyndell White,
Chris Brown, Travis Henry throughout theyears, DeMarco Murray. I I kind
of look at Lyndell White on thesame echelon as those guys. But where
do you think he ranks in Titan'shistory among the running backs that are so

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well known? I mean, Ithink he's just underneath. You know,
if if you're to ask me,okay, so including oilers running backs,
I'd probably have Lindell White as like. I think he was the sixth or
seventh most talented running back the TennesseeTitans have ever had. And I'm with

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you. At his peak, we'retalking about that two thousand and seven,
two thousand and eight season, right, Yeah, we're talking to about a
guy who averaged eleven touchdowns this seasonwith a committee behind him, I mean
technically a time share at the position. I think that when you go back
and watch, I really liked thecombination of Lindell White and Reggie Bush.

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Anyway, Yeah, there is somethingto be said about Lindell White's season at
USC during that time, and no, nobody really talks about that was a
really deadly duo. Like if youif you go back and think about it,
right, his college season seven hundredfreshman year, seven hundred and fifty

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four yards freshman year, five pointthree yards per carry. Yeah, his
next year two thousand and four,one and three yards, five point four
yards per carry. And his finalseason as a junior at USC one three
hundred two yards, twenty four touchdowns, six point six yards per carry.

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And so he went thirteen fifteen twentyfour in three years. This is real.
I am double checking his three yearsat college. Fifty two touchdowns?
Yeah? Is that total? Isthat including the receiving because I know that's
rushing, but he only had likeI think five receiving touchdowns because he had
two in his his final season atUSC. That season he had had total

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touchdowns total touchdowns was fifty seven touchdowns. So you know, Reggie Bush during
that same time frame had twenty fivetouchdowns. Yeah, and thirteen receiving touchdowns.
So when you talk about how goodthose guys were, because they came
in at the same time, theyplayed at the same years, and we're

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talking about three and sixty nine yardsfor Reggie Bush and fifty nine yards for
Lindel White. There are seasons we'retalking about fifty two touchdowns rushing touchdowns from
Lindel White versus twenty five rushing touchdownslike his throughout the year. Right,

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Okay, so just rushing touchdowns,fifty two rushing touchdowns from Lindel White.
Okay, just rushing touchdowns combined forhis career at USC combined with Reggie receiving
and touch receiving touchdowns, the Russiantouchdowns thirty eight. That's in career.

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That's in career. I bet youpeople don't know. Nobody, nobody,
I listen. Reggie Bush is absolutelyelectric. He's a dual threat. You
know, thirteen hundred yards obviously isa big deal. Receiving, he obviously
had the massive amount of touchdown.But nobody gives proper credit to Lyndel White's
town, agreed, And it's alwaysovershadowed by Reggie Bush, Vin Hung and

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Matt Liner like it is overshadowed bythose three guys. Just how good Lindel
White was coming out of college,and I think that would happen again at
the NFL level when the Titans draftChris Johnson. I mean if if not
for that two thousand and seven season, And I mean, really, he
only got that opportunity because Chris Brownwent down with an injury and he saw

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an expanded role out of it.Like I just like, his biggest moments
kind of feel like they happened whenhe's in the shadow of another player,
and it's easy for fans to forgetjust how good he really was. I
want to get into some of theUSC stuff because there was like a pivotal
moment in his life while he wasat USC. But I skipped over a

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question by by accident here. Whenyou think of Lindel White from a stylistic
standpoint, what's the first thing thatcomes to mind with just how he played
and what he did well? Hekind of he kind of reminds me of
like a muscle Hamster Doug Martin,Like, I think I feel like he
was muscle Gerbil before muscle Hamster existed. He was like muscle groundhog. Yeah,

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he was just a dude that hadsurprisingly for when you look at if
you just put him in pads andput him out on the field, you're
looking at him, You're like,there's nothing remarkable about this guy. This
guy's like putting me a pad ifI had, like, you know,
thirty pounds more of muscle and bodyfat, Like it's a holy unremarkable kid.

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And his size is just like heis just a blob. Yeah,
just Matt. It's just a mass. But he was so surprisingly nimble.
He had like Jerome Bettist like feetin my mind, like looking back on
it and remembering some of the runssome Jerome Bettist to his game, but
really he was a lot like hewas basically muscle hamster without the muscles,

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like the defined muscle, but hewas that kind of running back to me,
he's a hammer, I think isin a single word, he's he's
a hammer. But I also thinkone aspect of his game that I always
thought was underrated he's got really softhands as a pass catcher and hardly ever

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used him that way. You thinkabout the size and the style, like
he's a physical running back downhill kindof guy that wants to hit the hole
and run through you kind of deal. But whenever they got him out in
space. And this was even thecase in USC too with Reggie Bush,
who is, you know, oneof the best pass catching running backs in
college football history, if not thebest pass catching running back in college football

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history. But every now and thenthey dump one off to Lynn Dale and
it was just like automatic, youknow, like the type of the type
of hands that you expect a receiveror tight end to have on touched passes,
like fifteen point six yards per receptionhis senior year of our junior year
of college, fifteen point six yardsper reception for running back. He was

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a lot more well rounded than Ithink people were willing to give him credit
for. And it's because they didn'tsee it, because teams just lined him
up and ran him downhill. Sothat's what I always think about him.
But I'm I'm with you, man, Like there is there's a lot of
Doug Martin. There's a lot ofmuscle hamster in his game. It's like

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if you if you from a sizeperspective, if you met halfway between Jerome
Bettis and Doug Martin, you've gotLindell White. And I don't know that
was that was awesome. But now, okay, let's get back to his
time at USC, the Rose Bowlgame USC and Texas. Where do you
stand on that one. There's somepeople that still call it the greatest national

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championship, the greatest college football gameof all time. What's your opinion on
it? It is still it maynot be the most memorable as an Alabama
fan or anything, but as faras just an objective game like you're watching,
I think I agree it's the mostmemorable game because I can remember where

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I was at, I can rememberwho I was with, I can remember
everything about that game, and itwas it was an electric game and it
really changed the narrative on maybe acouple of different players and all that heading
into the drab and it was just, you know, the collect it was.
It was the one here. Here'sthe best way to put it.

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Even if you don't consider it thegreatest college game ever. Yeah, it
is the greatest collection of players onthe field. At the same time.
Yes, So you're talking about MattLioner, you're talking about Vince Young,
you're talking about Reggie Bush, you'retalking about Michael Griffin was out there,
you're talking about Linda White, Imean, just the rosters of that game

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were just utterly ridiculous. Texas.I don't remember who Texas's running back was
for that game, but I feellike they were. They were a pretty
high draft pick, a pretty prettyhighly touted prospect as well. But to
your point, just the superstars thatwere in the field on the field for
that game, amplified by the factthat they went out there and put on

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a fireworks show too. It's notlike here, let's there we go,
Okay, so let's just talk aboutthis list. We got Vince Young,
Jamal Charles, lynd Del White,Reggie Bush, Matt Lioner, and then
there was also Steve Smith who atthe time, Steve, yeah, was
pretty good coming out. But goback to the defense, Michael Huff,

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Michael Griffin, Aaron Ross, TimCrowder, I thought Brian A. Rackpo
was from that from that Texas defense, and then I'm looking at the USC.
The USC defense Ray Maluga were bothon that team. Those linebackers,

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man, they had three of themtoo. There's a third guy that might
have been the following year. Butthat USC linebacking corps was a lot of
fun to watch as well. ButI mean, these are these are a
lot of talent on the field atone time and a lot of nf I
mean a lot of NFL players thatwent on to have pretty damn good careers
or at least were drafted highly evenif they flamed out. I mean,

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that's a pretty damn good list ofplayers right there that you're not gonna find.
You'd be hard pressed, even inthe college football playoffs to find the
quality of college draft prospects. Yeah, NFL draft prospects on one team,
because if you, let's think aboutit, Michigan versus Washington is pretty close.
But Michigan had one, two,one player drafted in the first round,

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right and everybody else is drafted later. Washington had uh I guess two
drafted in the first round, threefive taner. Yeah, So I mean
that one would probably be pretty closeif if you really start breaking it down
and everything. But still it wasthe game is the other game? Yeah?

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Yeah. I mentioned there's a pivotalmoment in Lindell White's life in this
game, and it comes on afourth and two late in the game where
White is handed the ball and hecan't convert. He can't pick up those
two yards. If he would havebeen able to convert that. USC probably
runs the clock out and the Trojanswin the national championship instead. There's high

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drama, as Vince Young almost saidVince McMahon, as Vince Young leads the
comeback to ultimately win it. Lindellhas been quoted in stories since or he
feels like that single play, thatfourth and two overshadowed all of the good

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that he did at USC, andhe kind of he really took it hard
and has since said like I shouldhave tried to cut back or bounce it
or any number of things. Icould do whatever in my power to get
those two yards because he feels likethe USC fan base still kind of holds

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that play over him, and itkind of goes back to there's similar parallels
with what we were talking about,how Lindell White's talent may have been overshadowed
by Reggie Bush to begin with,and then this critical moment, the biggest
game of the season, arguably thegreatest college football game of all time,
and in that moment, he failsto pick up the yards that would have

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clinched the championship for his team.Do you think it's fair to blame that
on Lindell White, and what isyour response to kind of just how hard
he's taken that throughout the rest ofhis life. What I hate that that
he's carried that with them, becauseyou don't want to live a life of
regrets. And for sure one bigdamn regret. But also at the time,

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I remember wondering why Reggie Bush wasn'tgetting the ball. Yeah, he
was White. He is a hammer, I do agree with that, but
he's not a to me, he'snot a Lagerrett Blunt, like, he's
not a Mike Tolbert. He's nota you know, Mike Alstatt kind of
fullback guy where he's just going oreven Derrick Henry who you are, Eddie

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George, who you know is goingto fall forward for two yards, you
know, those kinds of running backs. He to me, he was never
that kind of running back. Hewas just more of a the perfect blend
of surprising agility and speed and andand sort of NFL level physicality. Yeah,

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and I thought that Pete Carroll andcompany really did a disservice as to
not giving the ball to Reggie Bush, who was averaging six point three yards
per carry nine point three scrim pertouch and he had one hundred and seventy
seven total yards so far. Andlisten, Lindel White had three touchdowns in

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the game, Reggie Bush had won. Yeah, but at the end of
the day, I feel like Ifeel like they tried to be too basic
with it instead of Okay, firsttime it didn't work. Why not put
Lindell White and Reggie Bush on thefield at the same time. Then by
yourself, I felt like there wasa lack of creativity that ultimately does it

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fall on the shoulders of Lindell White. Sure, Yeah, looking at the
all twenty two, you maybe shouldhave bounced on the outside. But when
you're talking about you got the helmeton, you have all this chaos in
front of you, and you're beingtold to run in one direction, it's
really hard at that point as akid to make that decision. So I

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think he's been a little too hardon himself, and I feel like USC
should be directing the blame elsewhere,not necessarily at Lindell White. But at
the end of the day, asa player, you do have to convert.
But again, was he put inthe best situation to do that?
What is it with Pete Carroll andthese big brain calls in big moments,
because he had the Super Bowl lateron in his career too. With the

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Malcolm Butler interception play, I don'tknow, oh what it is. It
just doesn't make sense sometimes you Ithink it's a little bit of you know,
we're gonna get I think it's gettinga little too cute because I mean,
maybe he didn't think, well thatusc surely doesn't expect us to run

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again out of the same formation inthe same look with Lindel White, and
sure enough with those linebackers. Whenyou talk about those linebackers that you got
right there, you know that mentionedRayma Laga and Brian Cushing. That's a
tough duo to at the goal lineor at the you know, to gain
two yards, one yards on howmany yards you need. That's a tough
duo to do that again. Yeah, And I think you're right. I

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think Lindel White is not necessarily thehammer in the sense that the Mike allstought
was where he's just going to lowerhis shoulder and run through you. I
think his power comes from how hardhe ran and how hard he hit the
hole. Like if he hit thewhole and you weren't prepared for it,
or you weren't at the right angle. You weren't going to bring him down,
plain and simple. And so whenyou get him in the situation where

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you watch that play back, ifthere's not a hole there, he's not
going to plow into traffic and justmove a pile back for those two yards.
So it's just I hate hearing thatbecause in football, it's so rare
to me, in my opinion anyway, it's so rare that these moments in

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games actually honestly come down to trulyjust one person. And it happens a
lot for kickers, you know,if you miss a big kick or something
like that. But in moments likethis, it's, well, you know,
why didn't Pete Carroll have Reggie Bushon the field. Forget actually giving
him the ball. He was onthe sideline for the play. He wasn't

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even on the field to serve asa decoy or anything like that. Look
at the offensive line, like whathappened for them not to be able to,
you know, work their magic andopen up this hole and make it
easier for the running back. SoI I hate to hear that that was
something that impacted him so so deeply. But ultimately, what do you remember

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the most about his time at USC, Like, how do you remember him
as a trojan? I'll be honest, I don't remember much. I I
didn't really watch a lot of USCor anything like that. I mean,
I did watch a lot of ReggieBush, but it's kind of like,
you know, Reggie Bush and MattLioner really just kind of steal the show.

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Yeah, And I think that's that'spart of part of Lindell White's history
is like he's always the background player. He's never really in the spotlight.
He's the he's this best supporting actorkind of guy. Yeah. So,
like you know, I'd be doinga disservice to your listeners if I try
to make up something that I rememberedabout Lindell White or how I remember him

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from his USC days. Yeah.I mean you said basically the same thing
that I was going to say,like the supporting actor role. I think
it's interesting to look back and think, Okay, what if he lands at
a program where he could be thefeature guy, what would his college production,
what would his career have looked like? How would that have impacted his
draft stock? And I think it'sinteresting with the questions about the conditioning and

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everything at the time. I couldit have actually hurt his stock if he
had been the feature guy and maybewas asked to do a lot more.
It's just something interesting to ponder.But the Titans draft him in two thousand
and six his rookie season sixty onecarries two hundred and forty four yards,
selected at forty fifth overall second roundpick, the year that they drafted Vince

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Young as well. So going fora one to two punch kind of like
re establishing the new run game forthe Tennessee Titans. What do you remember
about his his rookie season, howhe struggled to kind of get his feet
wet in the NFL, And whatdo you think about the Titans taking him
with with such a high draft pick. Well, I I thought that I

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think that's kind of reminiscent of whenthey drafted Derrick Henry. They they drafted
a guy that produced in college,and it produced at college at a high
level. And I think that ifyou're drafting running backs, that's what you
gotta do. Drafting Bishop Senk wasjust like one of the big mistakes that
I'll never forget. Chris Henry wasanother one. Yeah, you draft guys

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that produced. If you're going todraft a running back, high draft a
guy that produced in college. It'svery simple. It's it's you can't outsmart
anybody. When they drafted him,they had Chris Brown, Travis Travis Henry,
so obviously they drafted him to bethe next coming of Travis Henry.
Chris Travis Henry went on that sameyear. He got one eleven yards the

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year that Lindell White was a rookie. You know, the it wasn't always
pretty with Lindell White, but you'retalking about a guy that still got four
point you know, four yards percarry his rookie year. Yeah, it
was sixty one carries, two hundredand forty four yards. It's not something
to really write home about, butthere was You saw enough from Lindell White

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where you're like, Okay, youcan build an offense around Lindell White.
Now they chose not to but that, and it worked out in their favor.
But I mean, I thought LindellWhite was a guy that you could
have as your lead back and thenbring and have he you He's a guy
that could take on those carries thatyou were looking for and you really saw

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it that second year, right,Yeah, two thousand and seven, Chris
Brown goes down with an injury,White kind of picks up the baton and
runs with it post yards, uh, with like the first few weeks of
the season, being the second guyto Chris Brown at that point. So
yeah, know at that point,I don't know, do you remember thinking,

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like, as a fan back intwo thousand and seven, holy shit,
this can be the Bell Cow righthere with Lindell White. I was
because I was very surprised because Iremember again where I was when Chris Johnson
got drafted, Yeah, and Iwas. I was shocked Johnson and because
they had Linda White, and Iwas shocked as like, okay, well

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he's fast, but like he's fromEast Carolina and you know, you know
he trounced Memphis when he played.So funny story, Chris Johnson and Lindell
White were down there, you know, they were hanging out together. One
of them was buying a car,the other one just came with him.
And I had a Memphis helmet atmy desk, and I brought the Memphis
helmet in for Chris Johnson to signbecause I already had a Linda White autograph

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and I brought it to sign andhe signed it and then he put the
stats of the game where he justdestroyed Memphis. So it was pretty funny.
Is good, but I was verysurprised, And but that speaks to
more of I guess Jeff Fisher andtheir faith in the passing attack. But

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again, when you go back andyou think about it, you're like,
well man Lindell and Lindell White stillthrived. Right, We're talking about a
guy that even with Chris Johnson sevenhundred and seventy three yards and fifteen touchdowns
with Chris Johnson. Yeah, Soto me, I always felt that there
was something there and maybe it wasa mix of maybe not resentment towards Chris

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Johnson or anything, but maybe it'smore resentment to the team. We know
that those late last few years,Jeff Fisher kind of like the young players
were not meshing with Jeff Fisher.Yeah, and we saw from Vince Young
and I feel like we saw fromLindall White and a few others, and
it's kind of like, okay,so you know there's when when Chris Johnson

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got drafted, it wasn't like hehe kept wanting to turn, he didn't
want to really prove him wrong oranything. Didn't really feel like he wanted
to prove him wrong. So I'mcurious. I don't remember a lot of
the reports from the era, butI remember what you're talking about with Jeff
Fisher and like dealing with the rookies, the young players not really connecting with

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him anymore, his inability to adapt, I mean kind of sounds like somebody
else we know, But that's neitherhere nor there. But I'm curious what
you think, like looking back onit now all these years later, do
you think the decision to draft ChrisJohnson was more of Jeff Fisher really wanting

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Jeff Fisher and company really wanting todiversify the run game and add an element
of pure speed to it to complimentLindel White, Or do you think this
drafting and subsequent usage of White isan indictment on him, Like maybe this
staff did have concerns about the conditioning, the lifestyle and that sort of thing
and wanted to kind of put himin the doghouse a little bit. Well,

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if you're talking about a guy thatjust came off a year where he
went a thousand almost you know,one thousand and eleven or ten yards right,
seven touchdowns. That's pretty damn goodfor a second year running back.
So I don't feel like that thereshould have been conditioning issues then that you
should have been worried about, becauseat the time that the season's over,
you're like, okay, well,Linda White, he proved himself. He

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looked really good. I think thedrafting of Chris Johnson is more of an
indictment on Vin hung than it isLinda White. Very well. I think
that they did not want the ballof Vince Young's hands. We know that
he did not like Vince Young.He didn't want to draft Vince Young.
They didn't really have really good receiverseither. I think that they just wanted

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to be the team that played fantasticdefense and ran the ball down your throat,
which sounds just like another fucking headcoach that we just got rid up.
But that's what they wanted. Theythat's what they wanted. So I
think it's more of an indictment onthe the lack of creativity and faith in
the passing game than it was thelack of faith in Lindell White. Now,

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obviously Lindell White did show up tocamp, you know, out of
shape, he had conditioning issues,and so ultimately it may look like that
in retrospect or you may have thoughtabout it in that way, but I
really do think it was an indictmentof the passing attack, right. That's
to me what it feels like.He does have one of the titans.

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It's a deep cut, but oneof the titans all time. Sound bites
when he's at training camp or whateverand they're asking him in two thousand and
nine about how he got into bettershape, and he says that he cut
out tequila from his diet. Stopdrinking tequila, cut off the patron,
got into the best shape of hislife. So that's why I kind of
feel like there was something there withhim. And later on, like way

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after football, he's quoted in stories. It's kind of taken the blame for
accepting responsibility for showing up to thecombine out of shape, showing up at
training camp out of shape throughout hiscareer. So if it's something that he
knows, it just kind of mademe wonder, is he feeling pressure from
the other side of that to losethe weight to get into better conditioning And

(33:15):
if that's something that's just you know, typical football coaching. It's like getting
getting fucking better shape, and you'regonna be used more, you'll be better
and all that stuff, or ifit was a sort of I don't want
to say punishment or anything like that, but I think that issue with the
conditioning was a real thing. ButI do think you're right. For a
team that had a good offensive line, didn't really trust the quarterback all that

(33:39):
much. It was about diversifying andreally bolstering the run game that we saw
come to fruition in that two thousandand eight season with Smash and Dash and
the lightning in a bottle that thosetwo captured. What do you remember about
just watching that season unfold and whatthose two did for this Titans team that

(34:00):
season. I think it was justincredible those two seasons. Yeah, I
was in Seattle when Chris Johnson brokethe rushing record, so that was really
awesome, except for I was inthe press box, and in the press
box you cannot cheer. Oh yeah, in the Seattle press box, and

(34:22):
we've been in the Miami press boxtoo. There's a there's like a section
where people could just actually like sit, eat food, drink and enjoy the
game, and then there's the reporters, but you can cheer, so that,
like that was really tough not tobe able to cheer when Chris Johnson
breaks the record. But I lookback on those days and I'm like,
Okay, Derrick Henry's two thousand yardseason, Chris Johnson's two thousand yard season,

(34:46):
then Smashing Dash, like the SmashingDash introduction, are the top three
rushing the rushing attacks that I've enjoyedthe most, Like Russian seasons, I've
enjoyed the most, better than anythingEddie George did, like to me,
Smashing Dad, Like, those threeare in a tier above anything any other

(35:07):
running back did that I have watchedthat I've experienced. So that does not
include oiler stuff because I did notwatch and experience those So yep, all
this Titan stuff. The three greatestrushing seasons in my mind were those three
seasons, and I'll never forget.And I think this is probably the the

(35:29):
I think this game encapsulates what LindelWhite and Chris Johnson were and what they
could have been for several years hadthings not flamed out for Lindell White.
If and this team hadn't gone toMike Muncheck like all this stuff. Is
that Kansas City game where they're playingthe bongos, right, like Linda,

(35:50):
they're playing the bongos and all thatkind of stuff like that, to me
is the game that's to me isthe best. I don't care about playoff
games. I don't care about killingthe Patriots dynasty or any of that.
The best rushing performance that I haveenjoyed the most is that Kansas City game.
Yeah, that Kansas City game was. That's the game he had his

(36:12):
eighty yard touchdown run in, wasn'tit. Oh yeah, they went crazy
and yeah, and he like ifthat if he would have needed eighty two
yards for that touchdown, he wouldhave been caught because of the long speed.
But man like one of those caseswhere he hits the hole and there's
like no contact and he breaks through. And to be a guy built the

(36:34):
way he was, to be asstocky as he was and heavy as he
was at the time, for himto run eighty yards away from defenders was
so impressive. And I think aboutthat Thanksgiving Day game against the Detroit Lions,
now the Lions, if I'm notmistaken, that was the sixteen Lions
like they were pissed poor, butthey just mowed them down. I mean

(37:00):
it felt like hit after hit afterhit, chunk run after chunk run.
I don't even remember what the statswere in that game, but I'm pretty
sure both guys had at least onetouchdown and they just ran Detroit out of
the building, out of their ownbuilding. And those ugly, awful like
plain blue and silver uniforms that lookedlike high school scrimmage uniforms, they just

(37:23):
go out there and mow them down. So really a testament to how special
that season was that two touchdowns.They each had two touchdowns. Okay,
yeah, so and Chris Johnson hadone hundred and twenty five yards and Lindel
White had one hundred and six.It's man, ah, they just they
they mowed them down. And it'sa testament to how special that season was

(37:45):
that you and I can just immediatelypull up, oh, two different games
that we think of longtime Titans fans, the old heads out there listening might
be thinking of a completely different game, but the fact was it was a
merciless, unrelenting rushing attack that season. I don't know, I mean,
I'm with you, in the senselike I can't attest for things that happened

(38:08):
before my existence because I've never goneback and watched old football in that sense.
But when I think of running backduos, the first two that come
to mind are smash and Dash,and then you had what was it Thunder
and Lightning with D'Angelo Williams and JonathanStewart. If I'm not mistaken, those

(38:29):
two come to mind. But man, smash and Dash feels like it's in
a league of its own. AndI don't know if that's just because I'm
a Titans fan, but as faras like running back duos or committees go,
the what the Earth, Wind andFire New York Giants committee was pretty
good, But to me, smashand Dash is the gold standard. I
don't think anybody has done it aswell as those two in our lifetime.

(38:52):
Zach, where would you rank LindellWhite and Chris Johnson among running back duos.
I'm trying to think of there's anybetter off the top of my head,
and I feel like we're, youknow, David Johnson and Chris Johnson.
That year in Arizona, Yeah,yeah, is pretty was pretty good.

(39:15):
And I would say that Evan Colemanand DeVante Freeman was good at a
time, and they were Oh man, who was with was it was it
mark Ingram and Alvin Kamara for theSaints? Yeah, they were they they
probably are the best, Yeah thatthey may be the best. And then
I would also throw in I'm tryingto think, oh shit, there was

(39:37):
another Atlanta duo, because you knowFreeman and Coleman, and then it was
was it done in Michael Turner wasstill Michael Turner was a good way.
But I want to go back tothis Kansas City game real quick, all
right, let's do it. Eighteencarries for one hundred and sixty eight yards

(39:58):
in one touchdown for Chris Johnson.Yeah, seventeen carries and one hundred and
forty nine yards and three touchdowns forLinda Lindall White. I had them both
on my fantasy team last season,just so you know. One hundred and
twenty three passing yards from Vin Shongthat gang I think it was Vince Younger

(40:21):
maybe been carry it was Kry collegeRy passing yards, Okay, but there
was three hundred and thirty two rushingyards from the Tennessee Titans. So they
to make it add those up andthat's four hundred and fifty five yards total
in one game, but three hundredand thirty two of them. The four

(40:42):
hundred and fifty five were rush yardsbetween two guys. Impressive, it was
spectacular. I would have to saythat I maybe I wasn't prepared for that
question, and I would say thattentatively, I would probably put Smashing Dasha's
tops at second. I would putAlvin Kamara and mark Ingramant at top at

(41:02):
the top. But I am fairlycertain I'm probably missing a couple of duos
that I would take you. I'myeah, I'm I'm thinking too, But
I just I don't know. Smashand Dash is number one in my heart,
and that's what matters. After thetwo thousand and nine season, or
after the Smash and Dash season intwo thousand and eight and two thousand and

(41:22):
nine, Lindell White famously cuts TaKeela out of his diet eats less Buffalo
Wings, shows up to camp inthe best shape of his life, but
it only translates to sixty four carriesin thirteen games, two hundred and twenty
two yards. Fizzles out of theNFL quickly. I mean, that was
that was the end of the roadfor him. After that two thousand and
nine season. He'd never get anothercarry in the NFL again. Pete Carroll,

(41:46):
he said before, is like afather figure to him. The Seahawks
end up trading for Lindel White inApril of twenty ten, but he failed
a drug test and was cut.A week later. The Broncos picked him
up for a little bit and hemade it to camp, but he tears
his achilles and that was all shewrote for Lindell White. Ultimately, the

(42:10):
hourglass runs out on every NFL player, but it feels like this was a
particularly rapid decline from one of thebest in the NFL, one of the
most underrated in the NFL, tojust completely out of the league altogether and
no interest in him. Was themost surprising thing to me is that,

(42:31):
you know, for all he did, it felt like there would have been
at least more teams kind of sniffingaround for his services. What do you
think it was that ultimately did himin so quickly. Was it just the
injuries or do you think the reputationhe built throughout the pre draft process about

(42:52):
his conditioning and all the rumors abouthim throughout the years just turned teams off.
Oh man, you know he playedthirteen games and only in two thousand
and nine, And yeah, injuriesis probably concerned, but it's probably then

(43:14):
it's probably his conditioning and effort incoming back from those energy injuries and rehab.
I mean, we gotta be completelyhonest. Lindel White surrounded him he
players coming out of college back inthe day. And I don't know if
it's still like that this now,but players around this time Michael Griffin and

(43:35):
Courtland and Finnegan are two examples oftwo guys that ditched their college friends,
ditched the posse, the groupies,ditched them, hired financial advisors and took
their work seriously. Yeah, LindelWhite let the uh, let his buddies

(43:55):
derail his career. And I don'tknow if he would really come out and
say this or anything, but fromand I'm not going to violate any of
his any of the stuff that Ipersonally know, I just know that there
there was a huge issue with whohe surrounded himself with, and they took
complete and utter advantage of him,his kindness, his niceties, and his

(44:21):
loyalty to them. And I thinkultimately all that stuff over those years compounded
into not being able to have thefocus on football that what a player needs
to have focus on. And Ithink at the end of the day,
you know, it's all about beingin the NFL, is all about maintaining

(44:45):
focus. Doesn't that mean you can'thave fun, does not mean you can
can't have side projects, You can'tgo out and do this, you can't
go out and do that. Butyou have to have a dedication to your
craft. Yeah, you have tohave You have to know where your weaknesses
are and you have to try toeither find work arounds around those weaknesses or
turn those weaknesses into straits. Andit was evident that he had a hard

(45:07):
time with consistency in that area.And I think that you're talking about a
guy that whose career got cut offway too short, and it's nobody's no,
no one can shoulder really the trueblame except for himself. Mm hmm.
Nice Well said very very eloquent onthat point. Yeah, I'm I'm

(45:30):
with you there. There is sometremendous lore surrounding Lindell White. I feel
like there have been some really underratedmoments in Titan's history that we can get
into a little bit, namely hisrookie season. He kind of kind of
agitates his teammates a little bit incamp when he spat in Donnie Nicky's face

(45:52):
after after an altercation one. Iwant to ask you, he may have
deserved it, he may have discardit. I want to ask you,
first of all, how insufferable wouldTitans Twitter have been if Titans Twitter was
around during the Donnie Nicky era.I mean, Titans Twitter is insufferable now,

(46:13):
so I can only imagine if ithad a more time to evolve and
to grow. They see that.I think it would have been very tame
back then, and it would eventually, you know, let's say that it
started when Lindell White got drafted intwo thousand and six. Yeah, so
about twenty and ten is when itwould have got really toxic. Yeah.

(46:35):
And now if we were in twentytwenty four and it started back at two
thousand and six, my god,they'd have to shut it down. They'd
have to shut Twitter down. Ithink Donnie Nicky might be the O G
Mason Kinzie too. Probably he probablywould have been. I mean, there's
a lot of guys that could havebeen the OG Mason Kinzie on this on
this team back then. I'm sureQuentin Gaither would have been one of those

(46:59):
guys. Oh yeah, yeah,Oh I forgot about him too. Yeah,
rink spitting in the face in termsof a disrespectful move, like,
if you're trying to establish disrespect,like you are beneath me, where do
you rank spitting in the face ofsomeone? So I think like it would
be number one. I can't think. I mean, I guess maybe peing

(47:21):
on someone after you knock him out, or just you know, like if
you hit him then peeing on him. That's a combo. If you're talking
about just one act one one part. I think it's worse than being slapped
in the face. I think annabits bad. An open hand slap is
pretty disrespectful. And I also thinkgetting a drink thrown on you. If

(47:42):
somebody throws a drink on you,that's that's pretty disrespectful, but at least
that's not a bodily fluid. Ikind of feel like spitting in someone's face
is the ultimate disrespect move. Andyou know what, like you said,
maybe maybe Donnie Nicky fucking deserved it. We don't know. We weren't in
the room. There was an anonymousGM at the Combine that said quote,

(48:06):
the guy needed a bra when heshowed up and bared his chest supposedly some
kit he's flopping around, supposedly Scoutsaudibly laughed when he took his shirt off.
The Titans take him at forty five, He's not surprised. I mean,
I'm not surprised. You're talking aboutlike there there was no shape to
him, There's no definition. Yeah. I think that was the biggest thing

(48:29):
about Lindell White when we talk abouthim, and I'd say that he's just
a blob compared to like Adrian Peterson, like he he you take that shirt
off, he is basically Tom Bradywith ten percent tom Brady like in college
his combine photo, right, Yeah, he's like Tom Brady with twenty percent
body fat. Like that's what itwas. It was just it was just

(48:51):
a shape. He was just there. Did you have any any objections?
Yeah, that's if I was doingmy draft comps back then, that would
have been the one to make.Did you have any objections to the Titans
taking him at forty five? No? No, no, not at all,
because I mean I didn't need itearlier, and to me, it's
all about you needed it. Youhad two aging running backs and Travis Enry

(49:15):
obviously wasn't long for the team backthen. And then Chris Brown is it's
just Chris Brown. Yeah, anduh so, like to me, it's
you you needed a running back andgetting him in the second round, and
we talked about fifty two rushing touchdowns. I mean in three years, dude
produced in college in a crowded backfield. So there's no reason not to draft

(49:35):
Lindell White. Yeah, yeah,And I think the pick worked out pretty
well for the Titans, man.I mean you would hope for better longevity,
of course, but they got goodproduction for a few years there,
so I don't have any issue withit, especially like the more I've learned
about what a crapshoot the draft actuallyis, I would probably consider Lindell White

(49:57):
a hit. I don't know thatyou would say, like, great value
you at forty five overall, Butagain, different times, different era of
the NFL. I'm cool with it. Yeah, you would have liked to
have seen him get the second contract, yea. Compared to other second round
picks and first round picks the TennesseeTitans have made before and since, Lindell

(50:19):
White's one of the better second roundpicks. I mean, we just have
to call spade a spade. Theyhave not done well in the second round
historically. They they I would say, Derrick Henry, Austin Johnson, AJ
Brown, Lyndell White because I thinkRus was still was he third? I

(50:40):
can't remember. Look at the drafthistory, one of them was fourth,
him and Stewart the the bookends fora while, one of them was a
fourth round pick. If I'm notmistaken, Hey, let's just go through
the second round picks since two thousand. Okay, all right, let's do
it. Tank Williams, oh my, Tyrone Kalka okay, boy, and

(51:04):
Antoine Odom Yeah, okay. Thenyou got Michael Roose. Okay. So
there's one, there's one really goodone like That's that's a great second round
pick. I'll put Antoine Otum upthere as well. I'll put Antoine on
that list. Lynde L. White, I would say, is a good
one. Then you go to ChrisHenry. After a year later, Jason

(51:28):
Jones never lived up to his hitthat Mark Sin Derek Marks did, but
not with the Tennessee Titans. Yeah, they had no second round pick of
twenty ten. A Key Mayers neverreally lived up to the hype. He
had like a real good years livedup to the hype over in Washington,
Justin Hunter, Bishop Sanke, DrieL. Green Beckham. Then you go

(51:49):
Kevin Dodd, Austin Johnson, DerreckHenry. So we got Derrick Henry.
Austin Johnson was good, but hewas at second round good. No,
no second round pick after that,Carol Landry, We'll put him in there,
yeah, aj Brown, So we'reup to six. Then you got
Christian Fulton, Dylan Raiden's. We'llput Roger McCurry in there because I think
he's worth his second round picks.We're up to seven. Yeah, and

(52:12):
now we got Will Levis at TrevandroSweat, which we staw have yet to
see. So listen to all thosenames. Seven of them were good second
round picks. I've I've got aweird take now that you've Jason Jones is
not a name that I've thought aboutin a long time, but it feels
like super massive, dude. JasonJones is like the Dylan Raidens of the

(52:32):
defensive line in Titan's history. Anyway, Jason Jones was interesting because he was
good, but he wasn't really Iwould say second round good because he never
became a full time starter, andhe really took off in twenty fourteen,

(52:53):
twenty fifteen in his last two lasttwo of his final three years. He
did better in Detroit. Yeah,but he just never lived up to the
second round high. But let metell you something, that's probably the biggest
human I've ever met in person.I if I'm not mixing up him and

(53:13):
Jason Babin who played for the Titansfor a little bit. Jason Jones had
like inhumanly long arms. Is thatright? Am I thinking of the right
guy? Yeah? You are.It's ridiculous. He looked like he was
built in a lab to play defensiveline. He was, and he just
never could get there, just neverget there. Lindell was also one of

(53:35):
the players that famously stomped on theTerrible towel in the Pittsburgh that game in
two thousand and eight. Where doyou stand on that moment in Titan's history?
Do you blame him? And KeithBullock and Javon Curse? Were those
are the three that were doing it? I can't recall on the top of
my head, But now do I'mall for it. Fuck him, love
the energy, or blame them forcursing the Titans moving forward. No,

(54:00):
I don't think they cursed Titan's.I don't believe in that kind of curse
stuff or anything. I am allfor it. Love it. You should
do it, you should. Youshould disrespect the other team as much as
possible, disrespect every every game,disrespect the opponents, and Donnie Nicky.
Disrespect your opponent and disrespect Donny Nicky. Yeah. So, Chris Johnson appeared

(54:24):
on the Sims and left Goo showon Bleacher Report and Lindell White's name came
up because Johnson and Simms we're bothteammates of Whites, and they shared a
great laugh thinking about some of theexcuses that Lindell White used to come up
with for why he was late forimportant, serious meetings. Simms asked Johnson

(54:46):
if he could list the the greatestexcuse he ever heard from Lyndell White as
to why he was late for ameeting, and Johnson's answer was, Lindell
told him one time that he wasto the facility on his way to work
and that his stomach started bubbling andhurting really badly, and he actually had

(55:07):
to pull over and take a dumpat a gas station. I like it.
I mean, I mean, therehas to be something better than that,
though, I feel like that.I mean, maybe it's just the
way he described it, maybe describedit a little bit better than what Chris
Johnson did, But I feel likethere's got to be a better excuse from
Lindell White than just I got shit. I the way they were talking,

(55:30):
the chemistry and the clip, whichis up on YouTube if you guys want
to go check it out. Theway they're talking. I like looking in
their eyes and seeing the smiles ontheir faces. I feel like there's probably
some stuff that they didn't feel comfortablesharing on the air, and that's just
the one that could come across.Yeah, I mean obviously, I mean,

(55:52):
maybe that's just the best radio friendlyone, maybe the least embarrassing but
most funny. Yeah. Yeah.So after football, White would go on
to struggle quite a bit with depression. At one point, he said that
he thinks he might have had anywherefrom twenty to thirty concussions throughout the course

(56:14):
of his career, dealing with painevery single day, he ends up popping
pills to make things feel better,make things go away and it's a pretty
dark time in his life, andhe says that he feels like football was
taken from him. After you know, some concern expressed from friends and former

(56:36):
teammates. They end up forming agroup chat with a bunch of former players
that sort of serves as a sortof vent session for everybody, and it
kind of helps to pull Lindell outof this funk that he's in. He
eventually gets off the pills and switchesover to weed for weed's healing properties.

(56:59):
And an important distinction here is thatWhite is from Colorado. He lives in
Colorado, so he ain't breaking anylaws in Colorado if he wants to smoke
weed to feel a little bit better. There's a great piece from Jim Wyatt
that was written in February of twentytwenty three where he kind of catches up

(57:22):
with Lindell a little bit, andthere's a quote in it where White admits
there were thoughts of suicide at thistime. So I get a little choked
up talking about it. Sorry,you know, Like I said, I'm
not a Jersey guy, but thisis the one Titans Jersey I have.
This is one of my favorite playersof this era. And it sucks to

(57:45):
read that. You know, hiscareer took this turn and it had such
a negative impact on the guy.But he gives Chris Johnson a lot of
credit for helping to pull him outof that funk. Chris Johnson gave him
money and you mentioned it, dancedaround it a little bit before. He

(58:07):
was not particularly conservative with his paychecksand Chris Johnson kind of pulled him out
of that, gave him some moneyto get him going. They start a
podcast together. It gives Lindale somethingto kind of occupy his mind with,
and he credits Chris Johnson for savein his life. And I think,

(58:28):
for I think it's a stark reminderof the lives that these people have away
from the sport and what it meansto them. And I circle back to
the star burning brightly, but thestar burning quickly. It can all be
taken away in an instant, or, in Lindell White's case, a season,

(58:51):
And it's still heartwarming to hear that, after all these years later,
what smash and Dash means to guyslike you and me, where we think
back about the touchdowns, the KansasCity game, the Detroit game, stomping
on the terrible towels going on thatthat run to the number one seed in

(59:12):
the AFC, The way we lookat that that run, and to think
that all these years later, themeaning behind it and what it meant to
two teammates and one pulling the otherout of a dark, deep depression.
Man, It's it's a reminder thatfootball is bigger than just a game and

(59:35):
its place in our lives, inour society. It's it's a special thing,
and I think people should appreciate.To sum this podcast up, I
think people should appreciate Lindell White.Maybe not as one of the best running
backs of all time, but Ithink he should be one of the favorites
of this fan base because of hisstory. And I don't know. Smash

(01:00:00):
and dash forever, man, Smashand dash forever. Do you have any
final thoughts before we get on outof here on Lindell White? Well,
did when you chose to do WendellWhite? Windell White? When you chose
to do Lindell White? Did youplan to do it in June because it's

(01:00:20):
Men's Mental Health Awareness Month? Ididn't. That's a total coincidence. Well,
this is a good reminder of Idid it in June because nothing's going
on in June. Well, Ithink this is a good reminder for those
that may be listening to this ormaybe struggling with this, that there are
people out there that care about you, that love you, yeah, in
that it's never too late to goget help, whether that is help,

(01:00:45):
learning how to communicate, learning howto deal with your feelings. There's multiple
ways therapy and improving your mental healthcan help you. And I think,
you know, back then, evenit's a very taboo subject men talking about
their feelings and all this stuff,especially back then White's going through college and

(01:01:08):
going through all this stuff and youknow, dealing with concussions. Like you
said, he says he has upwardsof thirty All that stuff compounds. But
there's a certain point where I don'tthink young men know that it's okay to
get help or even how to gethelp. It's not so not to compare

(01:01:30):
this to a reality show that Iwatch, but I we're watching this show
that just wrapped up called The Valley, and there is a character on there
named Jax Taylor who has been onvander Pump Rules before being on this new
show The Valley, which we're talkingabout over about fifteen years of being I
think on TV having your life followed. Now he is this you know,

(01:01:53):
over forty has a child, hasbeen with this girl that he is now
going through to worse with or whohas been way too good for him since
the inception. He's cheated on her, he's talked to her like dog shit,
he's had anger issues, rage issues, and he's always promised that he

(01:02:13):
will get help but never goes togets help. And then he tell their
their it's a it's the wrap upshow, right, so like yeah,
basically when the show ended, wedidn't know if they were going to stay
together or not. And since thenand the airing of the season finale,
uh, that was like that wasa couple of days ago. And I'm
sorry. This is a long wittedstory that's not about football for your listeners,

(01:02:36):
but it's about mental health and abouthow men view mental health. And
so I go, so he's theygo back, and they decide to rebring
They bring in the cameras to followwhere these people are now a couple of
months after because a couple of thesecouples they're all married. They're following a
bunch of married couples in the valley. Two of them are now going through

(01:02:57):
divorce or separation issues, and Jacksonis White Britney or one of them.
And so the cameras come back andhe's in she's packing up stuff in the
bedroom, you know, going tothe airbnb with her son or with their
son, and he's sitting there watchingher pack and they're talking and he goes,
I'm getting help, you know,I'm I've scheduled to get help,

(01:03:22):
and she goes, when did youschedule it? And she he says yesterday.
After a long pause, he saysyesterday, and she goes, so
when the cameras come back on oryou know, the cameras are coming,
and that's when you decide that you'regonna go get help, and he gets
he goes. She goes, areyou really gonna go? Or is this
just for the cameras. He goes, no, I'm really gonna go,
And then they cut to a scenewhere he's in the confessional and they ask

(01:03:45):
him, so, how is yourfirst session? He goes, why I
didn't go? And they go,well, why didn't you go? And
he goes, well it's too faraway and I and that's not just a
harp on Jackson particular. But Ithink a lot of people or look for
excuses not to go get help.It's a lot of to do look for
excuses not to go get help insteadof actually getting help. And I'm glad

(01:04:08):
that even though it took maybe along time and took football away from him,
at the end of the day,I'm really glad that Lindel White was
able to find a community, tofind friends, yeah, to pull him
out of this depression and find betterways to handle his depression and mental issues.
And I encourage everybody if you arefeeling down, sad or anything,

(01:04:30):
seek out friends that you know,because they'll listen to you. Yeah,
And if you're really good at hidingthat they're not going to know that you're
depressed, so, but they're reallygood at listening, I promise, and
also seek help. Yeah. Ithink it's It's a really interesting It says

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a lot about both Lindell White andChris Johnson that going back to his Reggie
Bush days, like all accounts werethat Lindell White was an awesome teammate and
that he never really showed a lotof resentment or jealousy towards Reggie Bush or
Chris Johnson, and for Chris Johnsonto hang tight through all these years and

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really be there for White in hismoment of need. It's just an awesome
thing, man, And it's atestament to what you're talking about, like,
find your friends, be there foryour friends, don't be afraid to
seek help. White has said ata certain point that football was taken away

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from him and he was kind ofunsure of what his impact was or if
he had even made an impact.And I will say that from all the
highlights the years past, the twothousand and seven, the two thousand and
eight seasons definitely made an impact onme, man, some of my favorite

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favorite plays to watch. And nowI'm probably whenever we're done here, I'm
through with work for the week,so I'm probably gonna fire up this game
on YouTube and just go back andwatch that Kansas City game again. But
big fan of Lindell White. Ithink he deserves a little more remembrance and
credit from the Titans fan base evento this day. That's all I got,
Zach. Any any parting shots?What are what are you working on?

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Well? Actually no, this episodeis not going to release for like
two or three more weeks, sowe can't promote the work just sack dot
com. There we go, Therewe go, and how can how can
people find you on the social mediasthese days? At fwordspod on, Twitter,
slash x, there you go,and I'm at Stony Keeley collectively at
Sobros Network. Thank you guys fortuning in. At this point, I

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don't know what order of the episodesare going to be going in, so
who knows what you're gonna hear inoff season content next week? I'm trying
to cook up something pretty special forthe series finale or the season finale,
I guess I should say, so, stay tuned, rate review, subscribe
all that. He's Zach Lyons,I'm Stony Keeley, and until next time,

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you stay classing Titans fans