September 27, 2023 • 46 mins
We go through a few of the big stories in the paranormal world including one involving an alleged haunted painting and we talk all about those mummified alien bodies Mexico claims to have uncovered, though there is more to that story we're sure. Plus a few bigfoot hoaxes and BJ gives his thoughts on "The Unbinding."
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Hey guys, DJ from Unrefined andI just would like to invite you to
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Unrefined. My name is b J. With me is Metra, and we're
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sure, I don't know what's goingon. If you have a look on
your face, like you want tosay something. What's happening? You're muted?
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You muted yourself? Did you hearme cough? I didn't. I
heard you cough the first time,but then I didn't hear the second time.
I am annoyed with this computer becauseI'm not used to using this one.
I swear it's been like three weeksthough, But like every time I
try to mute myself when I cough, it doesn't do it. And it's
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like, I don't know what theproblem is. I don't know. It
just doesn't like you. I guess, I don't know. That's just so
great. And then it's I thoughtI was unmuted. No, I must
have hit it too long or doublehit it. I don't know what I
did something, but it did not. I don't mean to cough and clear
my throat to annoy everybody, okay, just nobody is annoyed by it,
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no one. No one is annoyedto be annoyed by it. If I
was listening to a podcast and like, what the fuck is she clearing her
throat every ten seconds for well,I don't think anyone's annoyed by it.
I don't think anybody's ever said anythingabout that. We haven't gotten any of
that, and people, stupid peoplehave dumb Well that's a true statement,
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I know. I'm like, so, well, you're factually what a factually
correct Yeah too, stupid idiots talkingabout ghosts. Yeah, that's us.
So joke's on you. Thanks forwriting it down. Anyway, Thank you
everybody who doesn't think we're stupid idiots. We're we We promised that we aren't.
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I don't know. I have hadjust such a crazy day and now everybody
is just getting the worst of BJ'ssilly mind. Okay, that's what's happening.
So that's what's gonna go on,and you're just gonna have to deal
with it, and you're gonna haveto like, okay, period. Period.
So anyway, Hey, did yousee, by the way, that
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there is this weird there's this weirdtrend on the internet right now Okay,
yeah, I don't know if you'veseen it or not from either TikTok or
Instagram, but there is this trendwhere people, I think it's girls,
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are asking guys like either their friends, their boyfriends, they're husbands, whatever,
how often they think about the RomanEmpire. And I don't know what
this trend is, but I thinkabout the Roman Empire way more often than
I thought that I would have.You know what, that's a very I
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have not seen this trend. Idon't know what it's about. If it's
actually now that you're saying it tome or they is it a reference related
to something else? Maybe not theRoman Empire, but I've thought about Gladiators
say it's kind of the same.If it's the same, well, because
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I was watering the yard and there'sa tall grass and the light was hitting
it. It's super tall grass andit almost looks like weat it's some kind
of grass or whatever that really resemblesweak or maybe it's uh, it is
weak, but it's just blowing inthe wind. And every time I see
it when it's tall like that,I just am reminded of Gladiator when he's
walked can do the weight and hehas his hands up and it's like the
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hallucination or whatever. Yeah, andI'm like, so I was watering the
garden. It was there, andI was thinking about it. I was
like, oh, it's so pretty, like I always think of that when
I see it. So so Idid think of if, I guess sort
of in a roundabout way. Yeah, I mean I think I didn't even
mentioned that and I had. That'sthe weird thing about it is people ask
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them people about it and they're justlike, you know what, Actually,
I was thinking about that, likeI was thinking about Marcus Crassus the other
day. It's a very weird range. Yeah, anyway, but I mean,
I you know, one of myfavorite television shows of all time is
Rome, which is on HBO,and it's fantastic. And I also really
seen that Spartacus. Well you haveMax. You can watch Rome whenever you
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want. It's only two seasons.Really so hard to get into something new.
No, this one's easy. Thisis my brain can't function and think
anymore. I swear you like violence, correct? Sure, you like loosen
to interpretations of history? Correct?I don't know about that loose interpretations of
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history. It's God, it's gotag. Yeah, it's just a it's
a period it's a period piece.It's nice. I don't know. I
love it. I love it,and it gave us Ray Stevenson. That's
where I first saw Ray Stevenson.And of course he's no longer with us.
Ri ip to that magnificent actor rightthere. Anyway, guys, we're
here for episode number two hundred andtwelve of Unrefined. We are not,
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as far as I know, talkingabout anything that has to do with the
Roman Empire, though I could bewrong. I am no, super not
talking about the Roman Empire. SoI've been making a lot of those meme
videos on Instagram reels and it's justlike headlines with like a meme and stuff,
and it's just like random things thatare related to paranormal or cryptids or
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something. Yeah. So I'm havinga lot of fun doing that, but
I'm finding a lot of like weirdstories, and I don't use all of
them because I can't really find away for its work. So I was
just going to kind of like goover a few of these like weird headlines
to go more depth with some things. And then one of them I didn't
actually use in a reel. Sothat one's up first, and this is
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a weird one. All right,So we were getting into the paranormal headlines
with Mitra. Yes, So firstone up is this haunted painting that was
found a UK thrift store. Okay, now, this painting is a portrait
of a young girl. It's aclose up. It's just like of her
chest and up she's wearing like kindof like a dark pink light reddish top
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or something. The girl, tome looks like Nicole Kidman. It's kind
of weird. She looks like ayoung Nicole Kidman. That's just what I
think. No, like a littlegirl Nicole Kidmen. Okay. So the
painting was donated along with about sevenother paintings, all from the same house.
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The thrift store manager, Steve Ellige, said right away they thought there
was something odd about the little girlpainting, like something was just kind of
off about it. It gave hima weird feeling, but they were just
kind of brushed it off like whatever. So he thought because of the way
it looked, and it looked reallynice quality and everything like, okay,
this is going to sell. Let'sput it up in the window because it
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looks good. You put it upfor twenty pounds, which is about twenty
five U S. Dollars. Soa woman passing by saw the painting in
the window, but she didn't buyit right away. The next day she
came in and said she had tohave the little girl painting because she couldn't
stop thinking about it. Yeah,so the woman leaves with her painting,
and three days later she rushes backto the thrift store and says the painting
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is creepy as well. He doesn'twant it anymore, and she is quoted
as saying nothing good is going tohappen from this picture. She didn't even
want her money back. She wasjust like, get this the hell away
from me, and she just saidgoodbye. So so naturally, the store
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manager puts it back in the storewindow twenty pound price tag and another tag
that says possibly cursed. Wow,well that's not an attention grabber. I
don't know what it is. Yeah. So a second woman named Zoe Elliott
Brown comes along, sees this possiblycurse painting. Thanks, hey, you
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know why not? You know,buys the painting. She too, returns
it a couple weeks later, andshe told the manager everything had gone wrong
since bringing the painting into her home. So we claims her sixty eight year
old mother, who lives with her, became ill after she brought the painting
home, and I guess they hungit like in the living room. Her
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mother became anxious and shaky and evenpassed out in the bathroom. I mean,
it couldn't possibly be something metal,right, it had to be from
the painting. Yeah. On anotheroccasion, Zoe found her mom caressing the
cheeks of the little girl and thepainting. Now that's definitely what definitely weird.
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Yeah, But and she said hermom was like quote unquote transfixed on
this painting, like obsessed with it. Now, obviously that's weird and creepy.
But if her mom has any otherkind of like medical problems that maybe
she's not stating. Her mother doeslive with her. She's sixty eight,
so there's gotta be a reason whythe mother's living with you. She might
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have dementia. You might know shehas demnition. You might not want to
tell us that she has dementia.In her pressing the cheeks, maybe she
thinks it's her picture of her daughteror something. Who knows. I guess
yeah, to me, it justmean, obviously it sounds weird. It
does. So. Zoe also claimedwhile walking with her partner they saw a
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big black figure and that they reallygot scared of this figure and they started
to run and when they ran,it was chasing them. But my question
is, if this painting is haunted, then why didn't they see the black
figure in the home? The itoutside and it wasn't like even like really
close. They were like far outsidethe home. Yeah, they people were
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talking about potentially cursed or haunted objects. It's things are happening in like the
vicinity of where the object is orsomething. You know, it's not happening
all around. That's just your mindplaying tricks on you at that. Yeah,
well it was both her and herpartner apparently saw it, and it's
scared him enough that they ran,So she says, I don't know.
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She also claims to have heard knockingsounds in the middle of the night,
which I mean, I mean,that's definitely creepy. It is sometimes I
hear no dementia. Mother could havewhat is that call the when they have
the reverse when they are awake andmore lucid at night in the sundowning.
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I think it's called oh my God. Maybe maybe she had that she's not
going to make moving around, Yeah, exactly, it could be anything.
So the day after being chased bythis big black figure, so we returned
the painting and the manager told hershe could have it back at any time.
I think it was the same situationwhere she just returned it. She
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didn't want the money back, shewas just take it. So clearly she
was creeped out by it. Yeah, and because she wanted to return it,
right, So clearly she was creepedout by it. But she also
bought it knowing with it being cursed, right, Like she already had that
planted in her head because of theside right. So well, that day
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someone posted the haunted painting on Twitterand it went viral. Zoe saw it
and thought, hmmm, how canI capitalize on this? So she goes
back to the thrift store, obtainsthe painting as a store manager said you'd
have it back if you wanted it, brings it back home, and quickly
puts it up on eBay. Theauction closed September twelfth, so this is
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pretty recent and yeah, and itsold for about two thousand US dollars.
Zoe said she would give the thriftstore fifty percent of the profit. That's
what she said in the listing.Because I went back and looked at it.
She spent twenty five and got backa thousand, So that's pretty good
flip on her part. Pretty goodinvestment. Yeah, I'm surprised and go
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for more. Actually, I'm reallysurprised. I thought it would go for
more. It had thirty nine bids, so a lot of people were interested.
I don't know who bought it becauseyou can't see on eBay obviously an
absolutely no, I don't think so. I think it was someone. So
if it was somebody in the US, because I looked at when the delivery
times works, I tried to findit. I was like, is this
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online? Did somebody already start postingabout it? Yeah, and I couldn't
find it. So if it wassomebody in the US, which highly likely
because there's a a lot of peoplein the US who loves that stuff and
there's a bigger market for it here. eBay's estimated delivery times are October ninth
through the thirteenth. Yeah, sothey wouldn't have received it yet. But
I'm guessing it's going to be thesubject of some paranormal entertainers YouTube videos or
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TikTok's I'm sure it's going to be, because this is a to be continued
if we see it pop up again. Was there any like reports, by
the way, at like her homewhen she brought the cursed painting home and
everything like that, Where there anylike a pink like gelatinous goo like around
or anything like that? I'm sorry, wasn't all right now, But I'm
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curious who will obtain it and whatwill happen. I'd love to come across
something like this myself to experiment on. Well, you have that opportunity because
every you can just search cursed orhaunted object on eBay. I would never
buy. I would never buy ahaunted or cursed object on eBay because I'm
pretty sure those are all fake.I don't believe any of that. I
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would have to come across it organically, through it a stay or a thrift
store. I go to them severaltimes a day, several times a week,
you know it, because I'm alwayslike, look what I bought it
on a stay so this weekend,Look when I got a first store today?
Never came across the haunted object.I sell vintage and antique things for
a living and never come across it. This is why I'm very skeptical on
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this. Yeah, doesn't mean itdoesn't exist. I just think it is
probably extremely rare. Painting could becursed or haunted. I don't know.
Yeah, dragon could fly by rightnow too. Yeah, absolutely, but
the thrift Okay, the threat.Store manager did say though that nothing paranormal
ever happened at the store, andnothing happened at anyone's there's that it's people's
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heads when they have a cursed orhaunted object, like for real, Yeah,
I don't, I don't know.Like people like something bad happens and
they just assign blame because they knowthat that's w that it's already haunted,
right right, Yeah, oh boy, I am going to I'm gonna put
this bad boy up on eBay asI cursed Ikenstein's statue. It's gonna be
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available pretty soon. Ever since Ibrought it home, someone's beating all my
snacks, okay, and you knowit's gotta be because of this object that
I bought. Okay, you sounded. You see how stupid that sounds.
That's how stupid all of you soundwhen you say that that's what's going on.
It just causes anxiety in people.I think, Yeah, they gets
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an idea of planting in their headand it causes anxiety. Yeah, but
I don't know. If the firstlady something was up with her and she
brought it, she brought it back, so maybe I don't know, could
have made up a story, justlike the guy who made up the dibit
box too. And yeah, butshe didn't want her money back or anything.
She was just like take it.Or maybe she's a seeker. The
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store manager made it up. That'salso possible, you know what I mean,
just get the painting sold. Maybehe put possibly curse and made up
the story about the first lady becausehe's just trying to have a story and
get sold, right. Maybe hewanted an attempt at going viral on social
media too, you know what Imean. Although he did complain that because
they were having they got a floodof calls about it, and there he
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was like, I'm never going todo something like that again, is what
he said. Side reap what yousaw, buddy. You know, it's
funny though, like all these peoplesaying that they have haunted and cursed objects
and stuff like that. It seemsto be like all of a sudden,
like so many people have something thatthey believe is haunted out there. There's
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that many haunted and cursed objects.You know, No, I don't think
so. So yeah, just Idon't know, believe whatever you want to
find. It's funny because I wasgoing to do this story and I have
my EMF and I was like,let me just go because I have a
bunch of things, you know,all around, and I know nothing's haunted
or anything. I was like,well, let me just go. Every
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once in a while have gone withmy Ama just to see him. I
went through a bunch of my stuff. I was like, yeah, so
that, I thought, nothing's evenregistrying anything. I was really hoping because
I have these antique bottles and Iwas really hoping something. They're like medicine
bottles and things like that, andI'm like, someone could have died taking
this, and I'm like scanning it, like side of it. Sina Aguilera,
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Yeah. Eugene Hendrick was bored oneday in Brantley, Alabama. It's in
the nineteen seventies, no smartphone,no social media to waste time on.
So to entertain yourself, Eugene madea pair of big foot fee bolted them
to a pair of shoes and wentdown to the local river and made a
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bunch of tracks. Even got creativeand made claw marks on some of the
tree trucks. So the town kindof went into a frenzy over this.
The police even came out to investigatewith search dogs. After a little while,
Eugene got nervous because it was gettinglike a lot more attention than he
thought it would, so he decidedto stop making the tracks, and he
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never told anyone what he did telltwenty seventeen. So over the years,
this town has made Bigfoot like itsmascot, and it's brought in, you
know, a lot of people tocome hunt for it because of those tracks,
and they have all the kinds ofBigfoot merchandise and everything and food and
stuff like that. So now peopleare aware that it was a prank.
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It's not real yet a lot ofthe townsfolk still believe something is out there
in the woods by the ripper.What are you like? What are you
thinking? People like it was ahoax because people will want to people a
believe thing is something so badly thatit doesn't matter what you end up telling
them, you know what I mean, Like, it doesn't matter what is
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said if they if somebody wants tobelieve something, then they're going to dismiss
anything that tells them otherwise, youknow what I mean? What is that
called? Like, is that rosetinted glasses? Like? Is that what
it is? I guess I thinkseeing the good I thought rose tinted is
like you're positive all the time.Everything you're not seeing, yeah, rose
tinted glasses would be more like youdon't see an issue and something that you
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enjoy or something. Yeah, yeah, seeing through through rose tinted glasses.
Okay, never mind. So somethingsimilar happened in northern California in nineteen fifty
eight. Rods were like being builtand rebuilt in this area, and the
men working on these roads would parktheir trucks and equipment in the forest and
overnight thieves would come and take whateverthey could, like they would still tires,
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batteries, apparently even the engines,which is insane. One of engine
like, I don't I don't know. So one of the men Ray Wallace
decided to create his own security system. Yeah, he made a pair of
sixteen inch wouldn't cut out feet andmarched all around the equipment after work and
all around like the rigs and thetrucks and everything. The idea being that
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the thieves would see the tracks andthink some giant muster bigfoot creature was lurking
around and run off. And apparentlyit worked, but it also blew up
as it being Bigfoot country because ofthat, and brought in a lot of
money and tourism to this area.Apparently this town where this happened or whatever
in this section of northern California,like it was like a dying area and
(23:45):
all this tourism and everything from Bigfootreally saved the town. And he's kind
of like the hero and uh,but really it was all faked. See.
This is what makes it so hardfor people that are actually out there
like trying to like find clues andthings when things like this come to life.
Well, we've had reports, andwe've had footprints and sightings and things
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like that in this particular area.This turns out it was actually just the
guy who was trying to keep peopleokay. So here are two incidences where
we now know is fake. Yeah, well, then what else was fake?
That's what I have to know,exactly what else was fake? Yeah?
You know, speaking of fake,do you think that those aliens they
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found in Mexico were fake? Oh? We're going to talk about that next.
Oh okay, all right, mynext story. What a transition right
there. I didn't know that washappening, but we're so in sync that
I felt like that, we're like, we're going to do that, and
it like went from your brain tomy brain. That's right, that's right.
So the two alien mummified bodies presentedin front of the Mexican Congress.
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Yeah, Iimmussan under oath presented thesealien bodies, which he claimed or a
thousand years old, and he foundthem in Peru. Yeah, he says.
The aliens DNA was analyzed and morethan thirty percent of the DNA was
unknown. Yeah, so seventy percentsknown. Yeah, it doesn't make any
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sense to me. It wouldn't ahundred percent be unknown? I don't know.
Yeah, that's the thing that Idon't understand. Unless it's like the
DNA that they're detecting is like theunknown one is from the body and the
known is from you know, otherpeople handling the body or so it's a
hybrid d Yeah, that's true.So doctors studied the two bodies and have
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determined in Mexico. The Mexican doctors, yeah, determined that it's from a
single skeleton. So it wasn't manipulated, It wasn't glued together, it wasn't
put together. It's just one wholebodied skeleton. Yeah. The only I
think it was like to liken itto like the Fiji Mermaid where it was
like a fish or whatever, youknow. Yeah, So it wasn't anything
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like that. So they also saidone of the bodies had large lumps inside
the stomach and the theory are thatthere they were like eggs or something,
right, alien eggs, Yeah,alien baby was growing inside. I guess
three alien babies so maybe. Yeah. So let's the problem is medical examiners
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and Peru disagree with the Mexican examiners. Now this is where it was from.
It was from Peru. Yeah.They say the bodies are animal and
human bones that were glued together andthen covered in a mixture of plant and
glue to create this dried up skintexture. It looks like an art project.
It doesn't look like a mumifying soPERU officials are conducting a criminal investigation.
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They want to know how something withhuman remains stuck out of the country
basically, so now they are investigatinghim. This guy, Himie, he's
a Mexican journalist. He claims tobe an expert on UFOs and aliens.
And I don't know what qualifies youto be an expert since nobody has actually
you say it being aliens or anUFO, Like, how are you an
expert? Right, Like, giveme a break, I hear, isn't.
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Mexico is trying to do something nowbecause of this discovery. They're trying
to actually pass something that proves thatsays, like, we have proved aliens
are real and they exist? Correct, are they? I didn't see?
Yeah? Oh yeah, like it'ssomething that's going through their congress like they
want to Well I know that NASAsaid bring the bodies here, we want
to examine them, and yeah,they don't want to give them over.
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There needs to be an independent investigationinto that. That's not to whoever this
guy is. Because so let metell you about this guy. In twenty
fifteen, he claimed to have discoveredan alien mummy, a different alien mummy
in Peru again, but it waslater revealed to be a human child.
So why anyone is giving this guyat the time of day, I don't
really understand when he already has beendebunked on something else. Why are we
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listening to him? Right? So, I feel like even if like somebody
even found in the alien body,like, none of us would believe it
anyways at this point. No,you know what I mean, No,
we would not at this point,nobody would believe it because it's been so
everything's been so fake, so faxeverything that nobody's gonna be was like whatever,
Well, what I would need toneed to believe it is I would
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need to see an alien spaceship land. I would need to see the door
open, and I would need tosee them come out. That's what I
would have to be. They wouldhave to be destructive, you know,
like an Independence Day style for usto believe it. I think, well,
I don't want to know. Iwant them to be nice. I
want them to I'm not saying thisis what I want. I'm saying this
is how we the people would believeit. Right, Although there would be
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those people that'd be like just thegovernment, it's blue Beam, it's Project
blue Beam. They're yeah, Ithink that's just sound. Is the same
like with bigfoot, aliens, aghost if anyone actually had one hundred percent
proof, yeah, still probably wouldn'tyou be like oh yeah right yeah.
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So recently another alien body video cameout. It was from Russia. It's
resurfaced the videos from twenty eleven.People are saying it looks just like the
Peru alien bodies, and they're saying, oh, like this is like their
proof as like it's true, it'sreal. Look, they were found in
Russia and you know twenty eleven.But the Kremlin claims it to be a
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hoax. Not that the Kremlin iscredible. They said it was just chicken
skin stuff with breadcrumbs. We callit Thanksgiving here, yeah Jesus, but
that's what they did. Who knowsthat like chicken skin breadcrumb like he's he's
(29:47):
smolled. Alien sounds good, soundslike delicious? Is that a Russian?
Yeah right, chicken, that soundsgreat. Actually, just the skin with
breadcrumbs, like you're telling to belike the crispy skin from like Thanksgiving that
(30:10):
you want to like take off theturkey, like the stuffing that's inside.
Like yeah, like you're just theonly good part I am like, especially
with like a smoke turkey. Youwant the crispy, delicious skin. Yeah,
I don't know good right now?And I don't even like turkey anymore.
I feel like I'm done with turkey. I had that conversation the other
day, like with somebody. Iwas just like, I think I'm over
(30:30):
turkey. Like I used to loveturkey dinner, but I want to do
it Thanksgiving brisket this year. Wellthat's the most Is that not the most
Texas thing you could have just saidon this podcast? Besides like is it?
I don't know. I don't know. Remember we usually do an Easter
brisket. I don't know other peopledo that. No, I think you
(30:52):
are one of the few. Idon't think. I'm not here in Texas.
I don't. Yeah, brisket's probablymore common there than it is here.
I could eat brisket every day,brisket, taco, brisket, eggs.
Oh yeah, let's be real.It's delicious, right kind of so
I could too, delicious. Yeah, Well that's all I have with my
stories. Well, they were weird. You were right, they were.
(31:17):
I love it, thou Yeah,I want to get me a haunted object.
Well, speaking of someone has ahaunted object and I believe it's haunted,
can contact us, Yeah, letus know, Gmail, Gmail.
I don't know. Unrefined show atgmail dot com. It's a hard one
to memory. Refined Unrefined show atgmail dot com. Yes, oh yeah,
speaking of haunted objects and people sendinghaunted objects. I watched that new
(31:45):
documentary from the New Kirks documentary inquotes, Okay, I'm gonna put documentary
in quotes. It was a movie. It was a film, and it's
called The Unbinding, and I thinkit's presented really well. Is a beautifully
made movie, Okay, like itis a beautifully made movie. Now,
(32:05):
there has been some weird controversies surroundingit that people have been pointing out on
social media and whatnot. I donot believe that Greg and Dana new Kirk
have any sort of weird hidden agendawith their things, but people, the
conspiracy theorists out there are trying tosay that they are. And if you
want to look into that further,go ahead. I'm not going to further
(32:27):
that and everything for me With TheUnbinding. I thought it was a really
well made movie. I thought thatthey presented their case well and everything.
But my issue with The Unbinding isthe same issue that I had with Hellier.
While I found it really captivating andI thought that their storytelling was great,
my issue is like it's another thingthat comes from a sort of anonymous
(32:52):
source that somehow, you know,ends up with them creating content around it,
you know what I mean, Likewe never get to meet the person
that sent them this supposed haunted statuethat they found in the Catskill Mountains here
in upstate New York. It allstarts and stems from a Reddit thread,
which the reddit thread is real,Like you can go when you can check
(33:13):
out the Reddit thread of somebody talkingabout the weird statue that they found,
and you know, that's really there, like that's a real thing, like
somebody was talking about it on thereand everything. But again, like I
think it was really really super wellI know, That's what my thing is
is, like, right, Redditis right, they could have been planting
(33:35):
the seeds of it. Other peoplehave pointed out they were saying, like
the events that they talk about inThe Unbinding would have also taken place while
they were making Hellier, and therewas no mention of any of this going
on while they were making Hellier oranything, so that's questionable to me too.
Again, I think that I thinkthat the New Kirks have done really
(33:55):
good work for the paranormal and everythinglike that. I just, you know,
I guess the skeptical My skeptical sideis skeptical on the what actually happened
with it. And I know youhaven't seen the I know you haven't seen
it yet, so you think youropinion on or anything. My opinion is,
(34:16):
if you want to watch a reallyinteresting movie, go ahead. It's
it's five bucks on YouTube if youwant to watch it. But I don't
believe a lot of what happened init. I don't believe a lot of
what they say that they did init. So that's just I don't know.
That's just me, and that's that'sjust me. And again, really
(34:38):
really super well made, high qualityproduction. Thought it was amazing if they
thought it was so important for themto free the being that they believed was
trapped inside of this statue. Idon't know why they needed to film SloMo
video of them walking forwards to do. So that's all I'm saying. If
something was bound, yeah, shouldn'tit probably had a good reason for why
(35:05):
would you try to unbind it?I don't know. There might have been
a very good reason why something wasbound up. Well, from all of
their research and everything and what theyfound. They found they thought that somebody
had bound a Slavic pagan god tothis statue or goddess or whatever, and
(35:31):
they needed to free this god.And what if that goddess did destruction to
humankind? I see, this iswhere I am finding fault with the movie.
And I just don't I just don'tknow. I just don't know.
I think if you find something inthe woods that's bound you maybe just live
(35:52):
it alone and walk away. Ithink, maybe can you find something buried
in the woods, or you seesomething in a tree trunk or something like
that, move along, leave itthere. You shouldn't be touching, and
we're messing with you. Somebody putit there for a reason. Don't touch
it. I also just kind ofthought like the whole thing was just like
a big advertisement for the fact thatthey've got a oddities museum that they bring
(36:13):
out on location to different parents there'syour conspiracy. The real conspiracy is they
are entertainers, they're filmmakers, andthey're just making a buck. That's your
conspiracy. Yeah, I know,and listen, I know that they started
off as like as as two kidsthat were doing ghost hunting and everything like
that, but they've they've clearly figuredout a way to make a living off
(36:34):
of it and everything like that.And the thing that I that I that
I don't understand is that they havea replica of the statue. Okay,
that the replica is what they usedin the movie because they they you know,
they just they got rid of thereal one. The real one is
no longer in existence or whatever yousaying, part of the which wasn't real
to begin with. Bats again,I know that's what I'm saying. But
(37:00):
you can see the replica of itin their Haunted museum. And I know
from seeing things on social media thatGreg Newkirk. I can't speak for Dana
Newkirk. I don't know. Idon't listen to their podcasts. I'm not
familiar. Has issues with with ZachBegans, the same issues that we have
with Zach Begans. But like youknow, man, you're you're doing museum.
(37:24):
Yeah, you're doing the same thingas him. You're doing the same
thing as Zach begans with the host. If I could have a haunted museum,
I would do it too. Youa haunted schinerbach Ram right next to
you right now. If you say, I know, I know we rag
on Zach all the time. Yeah, and it's super fun. Yes,
(37:45):
But if I could do a museum, I would too. I wouldn't do
I wouldn't lie and make up thingslike he is. Yeah, you know,
not that I have any evidence thathe is, but come on the
fact that he has the Divick boxin there is evidence enough. Yeah.
And the fact that we've spoken topeople and who can't talk publicly about but
(38:07):
he's investigated their places, yeah,and we know what happened. So I
would not do those types of things. But if I was had the opportunity
to to have a museum like notlike his, I don't want to send
the kids because I know his islike kind of like a haunted attraction.
(38:27):
A little bit. I would wantto have one too, But I also
don't believe in the haunted items,So I mean I think I would just
have like curiosities mostly. I guessyeah, you know what I mean.
Yeah, so like weird things,I'd I'd be more interested in having a
museum like that that is educational,you know what I mean. Yeah,
(38:50):
you can learn from something where youcould learn from films that are like known
hoaxes, like Here's why everyone believedit. Museum of hoaxes that would be
fun. Probably is already one.I'm sure there is like an urban legend
museum or something like that. Yeah, it's very Yeah, the words museum.
That's an urban legend museum. That'snot real either. There you go,
I set screw. I think it'sfun. I think just having a
(39:14):
museum of just creepy stuff. Isee his muse Steum just has creepy stuff
like the Dibbot Box. That's somethingthat's interesting. It's part of like urban
lore, right, that's something.It's cool to go over there and see
it. It's not haunted, it'snot in anything they present sepal times that
that's yeah, and the guy hasyou know, the guy has said times
that it is not real. ButI think it's cool to go over there
(39:36):
and see. It's cool to gosee Jack workians Van or whatever. It's
cool to go see that stuff.I know he's got like some of the
Ghostbusters original stuff, which is supercool. I would love to go see
that. But I just don't reallycare for, like, you know,
the whole saying these things are hauntedor whatever. I think it's just cool
to go see those items. Youdon't like the theatrics, Yeah, yeah,
(40:00):
I don't know. Maybe I dolike the theatrics, Like I don't
mind the jump scares, I don'tmind the creepy music and something that I
mind them scares. I know youdo. But I think it would be
fun to go see the stuff,you know, just because it is actual
stuff from our culture, from popculture, from paranormal culture. It is
those things. So I think it'dbe interesting to see. If I were
(40:21):
to do it, I do itlike that. I just wouldn't call it.
I wouldn't call it a hop museum, is what it is. I
was gonna say. If I wereto do it, i'd do it like
that Blueberry Hill restaurant that we wentto in Saint Louis in the Loop,
where it's just like pop culture itemsin a restaurant all in one and you
can go around normal pop culture,yeah, paranormal pop culture. Paranormal pop.
So where it's the world we're livingin right now, paranormal storming like
(40:44):
a soda brand or something that's yourname, mom, paranormal pops, paranormal
mall, paranormal pop. And yeah, you're dark, and we're gonna serve
pie and oddities pie, that's right, pie, And you just walk around
(41:08):
eating pie and just looking and stufflike, yeah, that's cool. You
just keep walking. Everybody gets apie like it's it's not an option.
You're getting pie and it's spooned andyou're walking around with like a pie plate.
Yeah you're oh, I guess afork. Yeah, you can have
ice cream if you want. Andthen you just walk around and you look
at these oddities. Okay, andwhat if'taining like, well, how can
(41:30):
you hold something to drink? Iguess you can't. Maybe we could cammel
back. Oh, we're gonna we'regonna invent something. It's gonna be like
a harness that you wear like aroundyour neck. It'll be like a really
long straw, and so you'll beeating it and then you'll just like the
cup will be there like attached tome, like one of those beer helmet
things. No, no, no, it'll be a necklace and it'll like
(41:51):
kind of like the shot glass necklaces, but it'll be like a sizeable drink
and it can be alcohol. Wecan serve like alcohol, and then I'll
have a lot straw and then youjust like sip it. Come on,
you know, like almost like afront loaded camel pack. Instead of being
on your back, it'll be onthe front and you just like sip your
drink and eat your pie and justgo look at some weird oddities. And
(42:12):
you're trending this even into like aweirder experience by the it's fun. I
would go to that. I wouldgo to that, and I have my
front loaded drink. Please, myfront may get long enough to where it's
like forty five minutes to an hourlong, so that you get like a
really good experience doing stuff, youknow, and it'd be really interesting and
(42:34):
you know, it's a night out, it's date night, it's fun something
to do. Sure, yeah,we could be like serve it in like
a colostomy bag or something. Whoknows that goes in the front, So
okay, sure's your front loaded colostomybag for a pouch. Maybe like you
know, like the Apple sauce pouch, but like for so you're so all
on pitchery right now? Okay,I can see it's like it's one of
(42:58):
those first eid Saint Bernard's with thebarrel around its neck from like Old Tiger.
You'll have a barrel around your neckand then with a straw and you
just sip it, but you eatyour pie, okay, all right,
Or maybe we'll do like McDonald's stylepipe, but I don't like that.
I want real pie. Okay,I want real pie. Well, there
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you go. Nobody steal this businessmodel. Yeah, don't steal our mon
Pop'll have different sections. We'll havelike different areas that you can walk through,
different themes of like oddities. It'llbe good. Okay, Yeah,
you guys keep an eye out forthat coming soon. Anyway. All right,
that's all we have for this show. And I think you've heard enough
(43:43):
of us ramble about all this,so sorry, it's fine. We're good
to go. People love it,you know, They just they keep coming
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sure, I don't know what's goingon. If you have a look on
your face, like you want tosay something. What's happening? You're muted?
(02:24):
You muted yourself? Did you hearme cough? I didn't. I
heard you cough the first time,but then I didn't hear the second time.
I am annoyed with this computer becauseI'm not used to using this one.
I swear it's been like three weeksthough, But like every time I
try to mute myself when I cough, it doesn't do it. And it's
(02:45):
like, I don't know what theproblem is. I don't know. It
just doesn't like you. I guess, I don't know. That's just so
great. And then it's I thoughtI was unmuted. No, I must
have hit it too long or doublehit it. I don't know what I
did something, but it did not. I don't mean to cough and clear
my throat to annoy everybody, okay, just nobody is annoyed by it,
(03:12):
no one. No one is annoyedto be annoyed by it. If I
was listening to a podcast and like, what the fuck is she clearing her
throat every ten seconds for well,I don't think anyone's annoyed by it.
I don't think anybody's ever said anythingabout that. We haven't gotten any of
that, and people, stupid peoplehave dumb Well that's a true statement,
(03:32):
I know. I'm like, so, well, you're factually what a factually
correct Yeah too, stupid idiots talkingabout ghosts. Yeah, that's us.
So joke's on you. Thanks forwriting it down. Anyway, Thank you
everybody who doesn't think we're stupid idiots. We're we We promised that we aren't.
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I don't know. I have hadjust such a crazy day and now everybody
is just getting the worst of BJ'ssilly mind. Okay, that's what's happening.
So that's what's gonna go on,and you're just gonna have to deal
with it, and you're gonna haveto like, okay, period. Period.
So anyway, Hey, did yousee, by the way, that
(04:35):
there is this weird there's this weirdtrend on the internet right now Okay,
yeah, I don't know if you'veseen it or not from either TikTok or
Instagram, but there is this trendwhere people, I think it's girls,
(04:56):
are asking guys like either their friends, their boyfriends, they're husbands, whatever,
how often they think about the RomanEmpire. And I don't know what
this trend is, but I thinkabout the Roman Empire way more often than
I thought that I would have.You know what, that's a very I
(05:18):
have not seen this trend. Idon't know what it's about. If it's
actually now that you're saying it tome or they is it a reference related
to something else? Maybe not theRoman Empire, but I've thought about Gladiators
say it's kind of the same.If it's the same, well, because
(05:39):
I was watering the yard and there'sa tall grass and the light was hitting
it. It's super tall grass andit almost looks like weat it's some kind
of grass or whatever that really resemblesweak or maybe it's uh, it is
weak, but it's just blowing inthe wind. And every time I see
it when it's tall like that,I just am reminded of Gladiator when he's
walked can do the weight and hehas his hands up and it's like the
(06:01):
hallucination or whatever. Yeah, andI'm like, so I was watering the
garden. It was there, andI was thinking about it. I was
like, oh, it's so pretty, like I always think of that when
I see it. So so Idid think of if, I guess sort
of in a roundabout way. Yeah, I mean I think I didn't even
mentioned that and I had. That'sthe weird thing about it is people ask
(06:24):
them people about it and they're justlike, you know what, Actually,
I was thinking about that, likeI was thinking about Marcus Crassus the other
day. It's a very weird range. Yeah, anyway, but I mean,
I you know, one of myfavorite television shows of all time is
Rome, which is on HBO,and it's fantastic. And I also really
seen that Spartacus. Well you haveMax. You can watch Rome whenever you
(06:47):
want. It's only two seasons.Really so hard to get into something new.
No, this one's easy. Thisis my brain can't function and think
anymore. I swear you like violence, correct? Sure, you like loosen
to interpretations of history? Correct?I don't know about that loose interpretations of
(07:09):
history. It's God, it's gotag. Yeah, it's just a it's
a period it's a period piece.It's nice. I don't know. I
love it. I love it,and it gave us Ray Stevenson. That's
where I first saw Ray Stevenson.And of course he's no longer with us.
Ri ip to that magnificent actor rightthere. Anyway, guys, we're
here for episode number two hundred andtwelve of Unrefined. We are not,
(07:33):
as far as I know, talkingabout anything that has to do with the
Roman Empire, though I could bewrong. I am no, super not
talking about the Roman Empire. SoI've been making a lot of those meme
videos on Instagram reels and it's justlike headlines with like a meme and stuff,
and it's just like random things thatare related to paranormal or cryptids or
(07:57):
something. Yeah. So I'm havinga lot of fun doing that, but
I'm finding a lot of like weirdstories, and I don't use all of
them because I can't really find away for its work. So I was
just going to kind of like goover a few of these like weird headlines
to go more depth with some things. And then one of them I didn't
actually use in a reel. Sothat one's up first, and this is
(08:18):
a weird one. All right,So we were getting into the paranormal headlines
with Mitra. Yes, So firstone up is this haunted painting that was
found a UK thrift store. Okay, now, this painting is a portrait
of a young girl. It's aclose up. It's just like of her
chest and up she's wearing like kindof like a dark pink light reddish top
(08:39):
or something. The girl, tome looks like Nicole Kidman. It's kind
of weird. She looks like ayoung Nicole Kidman. That's just what I
think. No, like a littlegirl Nicole Kidmen. Okay. So the
painting was donated along with about sevenother paintings, all from the same house.
(09:00):
The thrift store manager, Steve Ellige, said right away they thought there
was something odd about the little girlpainting, like something was just kind of
off about it. It gave hima weird feeling, but they were just
kind of brushed it off like whatever. So he thought because of the way
it looked, and it looked reallynice quality and everything like, okay,
this is going to sell. Let'sput it up in the window because it
(09:22):
looks good. You put it upfor twenty pounds, which is about twenty
five U S. Dollars. Soa woman passing by saw the painting in
the window, but she didn't buyit right away. The next day she
came in and said she had tohave the little girl painting because she couldn't
stop thinking about it. Yeah,so the woman leaves with her painting,
and three days later she rushes backto the thrift store and says the painting
(09:46):
is creepy as well. He doesn'twant it anymore, and she is quoted
as saying nothing good is going tohappen from this picture. She didn't even
want her money back. She wasjust like, get this the hell away
from me, and she just saidgoodbye. So so naturally, the store
(10:07):
manager puts it back in the storewindow twenty pound price tag and another tag
that says possibly cursed. Wow,well that's not an attention grabber. I
don't know what it is. Yeah. So a second woman named Zoe Elliott
Brown comes along, sees this possiblycurse painting. Thanks, hey, you
(10:30):
know why not? You know,buys the painting. She too, returns
it a couple weeks later, andshe told the manager everything had gone wrong
since bringing the painting into her home. So we claims her sixty eight year
old mother, who lives with her, became ill after she brought the painting
home, and I guess they hungit like in the living room. Her
(10:52):
mother became anxious and shaky and evenpassed out in the bathroom. I mean,
it couldn't possibly be something metal,right, it had to be from
the painting. Yeah. On anotheroccasion, Zoe found her mom caressing the
cheeks of the little girl and thepainting. Now that's definitely what definitely weird.
(11:13):
Yeah, But and she said hermom was like quote unquote transfixed on
this painting, like obsessed with it. Now, obviously that's weird and creepy.
But if her mom has any otherkind of like medical problems that maybe
she's not stating. Her mother doeslive with her. She's sixty eight,
so there's gotta be a reason whythe mother's living with you. She might
(11:35):
have dementia. You might know shehas demnition. You might not want to
tell us that she has dementia.In her pressing the cheeks, maybe she
thinks it's her picture of her daughteror something. Who knows. I guess
yeah, to me, it justmean, obviously it sounds weird. It
does. So. Zoe also claimedwhile walking with her partner they saw a
(11:56):
big black figure and that they reallygot scared of this figure and they started
to run and when they ran,it was chasing them. But my question
is, if this painting is haunted, then why didn't they see the black
figure in the home? The itoutside and it wasn't like even like really
close. They were like far outsidethe home. Yeah, they people were
(12:18):
talking about potentially cursed or haunted objects. It's things are happening in like the
vicinity of where the object is orsomething. You know, it's not happening
all around. That's just your mindplaying tricks on you at that. Yeah,
well it was both her and herpartner apparently saw it, and it's
scared him enough that they ran,So she says, I don't know.
(12:41):
She also claims to have heard knockingsounds in the middle of the night,
which I mean, I mean,that's definitely creepy. It is sometimes I
hear no dementia. Mother could havewhat is that call the when they have
the reverse when they are awake andmore lucid at night in the sundowning.
(13:01):
I think it's called oh my God. Maybe maybe she had that she's not
going to make moving around, Yeah, exactly, it could be anything.
So the day after being chased bythis big black figure, so we returned
the painting and the manager told hershe could have it back at any time.
I think it was the same situationwhere she just returned it. She
(13:22):
didn't want the money back, shewas just take it. So clearly she
was creeped out by it. Yeah, and because she wanted to return it,
right, So clearly she was creepedout by it. But she also
bought it knowing with it being cursed, right, Like she already had that
planted in her head because of theside right. So well, that day
(13:46):
someone posted the haunted painting on Twitterand it went viral. Zoe saw it
and thought, hmmm, how canI capitalize on this? So she goes
back to the thrift store, obtainsthe painting as a store manager said you'd
have it back if you wanted it, brings it back home, and quickly
puts it up on eBay. Theauction closed September twelfth, so this is
(14:09):
pretty recent and yeah, and itsold for about two thousand US dollars.
Zoe said she would give the thriftstore fifty percent of the profit. That's
what she said in the listing.Because I went back and looked at it.
She spent twenty five and got backa thousand, So that's pretty good
flip on her part. Pretty goodinvestment. Yeah, I'm surprised and go
(14:31):
for more. Actually, I'm reallysurprised. I thought it would go for
more. It had thirty nine bids, so a lot of people were interested.
I don't know who bought it becauseyou can't see on eBay obviously an
absolutely no, I don't think so. I think it was someone. So
if it was somebody in the US, because I looked at when the delivery
times works, I tried to findit. I was like, is this
(14:52):
online? Did somebody already start postingabout it? Yeah, and I couldn't
find it. So if it wassomebody in the US, which highly likely
because there's a a lot of peoplein the US who loves that stuff and
there's a bigger market for it here. eBay's estimated delivery times are October ninth
through the thirteenth. Yeah, sothey wouldn't have received it yet. But
I'm guessing it's going to be thesubject of some paranormal entertainers YouTube videos or
(15:15):
TikTok's I'm sure it's going to be, because this is a to be continued
if we see it pop up again. Was there any like reports, by
the way, at like her homewhen she brought the cursed painting home and
everything like that, Where there anylike a pink like gelatinous goo like around
or anything like that? I'm sorry, wasn't all right now, But I'm
(15:39):
curious who will obtain it and whatwill happen. I'd love to come across
something like this myself to experiment on. Well, you have that opportunity because
every you can just search cursed orhaunted object on eBay. I would never
buy. I would never buy ahaunted or cursed object on eBay because I'm
pretty sure those are all fake.I don't believe any of that. I
(16:02):
would have to come across it organically, through it a stay or a thrift
store. I go to them severaltimes a day, several times a week,
you know it, because I'm alwayslike, look what I bought it
on a stay so this weekend,Look when I got a first store today?
Never came across the haunted object.I sell vintage and antique things for
a living and never come across it. This is why I'm very skeptical on
(16:22):
this. Yeah, doesn't mean itdoesn't exist. I just think it is
probably extremely rare. Painting could becursed or haunted. I don't know.
Yeah, dragon could fly by rightnow too. Yeah, absolutely, but
the thrift Okay, the threat.Store manager did say though that nothing paranormal
ever happened at the store, andnothing happened at anyone's there's that it's people's
(16:48):
heads when they have a cursed orhaunted object, like for real, Yeah,
I don't, I don't know.Like people like something bad happens and
they just assign blame because they knowthat that's w that it's already haunted,
right right, Yeah, oh boy, I am going to I'm gonna put
this bad boy up on eBay asI cursed Ikenstein's statue. It's gonna be
(17:14):
available pretty soon. Ever since Ibrought it home, someone's beating all my
snacks, okay, and you knowit's gotta be because of this object that
I bought. Okay, you sounded. You see how stupid that sounds.
That's how stupid all of you soundwhen you say that that's what's going on.
It just causes anxiety in people.I think, Yeah, they gets
(17:38):
an idea of planting in their headand it causes anxiety. Yeah, but
I don't know. If the firstlady something was up with her and she
brought it, she brought it back, so maybe I don't know, could
have made up a story, justlike the guy who made up the dibit
box too. And yeah, butshe didn't want her money back or anything.
She was just like take it.Or maybe she's a seeker. The
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store manager made it up. That'salso possible, you know what I mean,
just get the painting sold. Maybehe put possibly curse and made up
the story about the first lady becausehe's just trying to have a story and
get sold, right. Maybe hewanted an attempt at going viral on social
media too, you know what Imean. Although he did complain that because
they were having they got a floodof calls about it, and there he
(18:23):
was like, I'm never going todo something like that again, is what
he said. Side reap what yousaw, buddy. You know, it's
funny though, like all these peoplesaying that they have haunted and cursed objects
and stuff like that. It seemsto be like all of a sudden,
like so many people have something thatthey believe is haunted out there. There's
(18:45):
that many haunted and cursed objects.You know, No, I don't think
so. So yeah, just Idon't know, believe whatever you want to
find. It's funny because I wasgoing to do this story and I have
my EMF and I was like,let me just go because I have a
bunch of things, you know,all around, and I know nothing's haunted
or anything. I was like,well, let me just go. Every
(19:06):
once in a while have gone withmy Ama just to see him. I
went through a bunch of my stuff. I was like, yeah, so
that, I thought, nothing's evenregistrying anything. I was really hoping because
I have these antique bottles and Iwas really hoping something. They're like medicine
bottles and things like that, andI'm like, someone could have died taking
this, and I'm like scanning it, like side of it. Sina Aguilera,
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Yeah. Eugene Hendrick was bored oneday in Brantley, Alabama. It's in
the nineteen seventies, no smartphone,no social media to waste time on.
So to entertain yourself, Eugene madea pair of big foot fee bolted them
to a pair of shoes and wentdown to the local river and made a
(20:57):
bunch of tracks. Even got creativeand made claw marks on some of the
tree trucks. So the town kindof went into a frenzy over this.
The police even came out to investigatewith search dogs. After a little while,
Eugene got nervous because it was gettinglike a lot more attention than he
thought it would, so he decidedto stop making the tracks, and he
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never told anyone what he did telltwenty seventeen. So over the years,
this town has made Bigfoot like itsmascot, and it's brought in, you
know, a lot of people tocome hunt for it because of those tracks,
and they have all the kinds ofBigfoot merchandise and everything and food and
stuff like that. So now peopleare aware that it was a prank.
(21:44):
It's not real yet a lot ofthe townsfolk still believe something is out there
in the woods by the ripper.What are you like? What are you
thinking? People like it was ahoax because people will want to people a
believe thing is something so badly thatit doesn't matter what you end up telling
them, you know what I mean, Like, it doesn't matter what is
(22:07):
said if they if somebody wants tobelieve something, then they're going to dismiss
anything that tells them otherwise, youknow what I mean? What is that
called? Like, is that rosetinted glasses? Like? Is that what
it is? I guess I thinkseeing the good I thought rose tinted is
like you're positive all the time.Everything you're not seeing, yeah, rose
tinted glasses would be more like youdon't see an issue and something that you
(22:32):
enjoy or something. Yeah, yeah, seeing through through rose tinted glasses.
Okay, never mind. So somethingsimilar happened in northern California in nineteen fifty
eight. Rods were like being builtand rebuilt in this area, and the
men working on these roads would parktheir trucks and equipment in the forest and
overnight thieves would come and take whateverthey could, like they would still tires,
(22:55):
batteries, apparently even the engines,which is insane. One of engine
like, I don't I don't know. So one of the men Ray Wallace
decided to create his own security system. Yeah, he made a pair of
sixteen inch wouldn't cut out feet andmarched all around the equipment after work and
all around like the rigs and thetrucks and everything. The idea being that
(23:21):
the thieves would see the tracks andthink some giant muster bigfoot creature was lurking
around and run off. And apparentlyit worked, but it also blew up
as it being Bigfoot country because ofthat, and brought in a lot of
money and tourism to this area.Apparently this town where this happened or whatever
in this section of northern California,like it was like a dying area and
(23:45):
all this tourism and everything from Bigfootreally saved the town. And he's kind
of like the hero and uh,but really it was all faked. See.
This is what makes it so hardfor people that are actually out there
like trying to like find clues andthings when things like this come to life.
Well, we've had reports, andwe've had footprints and sightings and things
(24:06):
like that in this particular area.This turns out it was actually just the
guy who was trying to keep peopleokay. So here are two incidences where
we now know is fake. Yeah, well, then what else was fake?
That's what I have to know,exactly what else was fake? Yeah?
You know, speaking of fake,do you think that those aliens they
(24:27):
found in Mexico were fake? Oh? We're going to talk about that next.
Oh okay, all right, mynext story. What a transition right
there. I didn't know that washappening, but we're so in sync that
I felt like that, we're like, we're going to do that, and
it like went from your brain tomy brain. That's right, that's right.
So the two alien mummified bodies presentedin front of the Mexican Congress.
(24:52):
Yeah, Iimmussan under oath presented thesealien bodies, which he claimed or a
thousand years old, and he foundthem in Peru. Yeah, he says.
The aliens DNA was analyzed and morethan thirty percent of the DNA was
unknown. Yeah, so seventy percentsknown. Yeah, it doesn't make any
(25:14):
sense to me. It wouldn't ahundred percent be unknown? I don't know.
Yeah, that's the thing that Idon't understand. Unless it's like the
DNA that they're detecting is like theunknown one is from the body and the
known is from you know, otherpeople handling the body or so it's a
hybrid d Yeah, that's true.So doctors studied the two bodies and have
(25:37):
determined in Mexico. The Mexican doctors, yeah, determined that it's from a
single skeleton. So it wasn't manipulated, It wasn't glued together, it wasn't
put together. It's just one wholebodied skeleton. Yeah. The only I
think it was like to liken itto like the Fiji Mermaid where it was
like a fish or whatever, youknow. Yeah, So it wasn't anything
(26:00):
like that. So they also saidone of the bodies had large lumps inside
the stomach and the theory are thatthere they were like eggs or something,
right, alien eggs, Yeah,alien baby was growing inside. I guess
three alien babies so maybe. Yeah. So let's the problem is medical examiners
(26:22):
and Peru disagree with the Mexican examiners. Now this is where it was from.
It was from Peru. Yeah.They say the bodies are animal and
human bones that were glued together andthen covered in a mixture of plant and
glue to create this dried up skintexture. It looks like an art project.
It doesn't look like a mumifying soPERU officials are conducting a criminal investigation.
(26:47):
They want to know how something withhuman remains stuck out of the country
basically, so now they are investigatinghim. This guy, Himie, he's
a Mexican journalist. He claims tobe an expert on UFOs and aliens.
And I don't know what qualifies youto be an expert since nobody has actually
you say it being aliens or anUFO, Like, how are you an
expert? Right, Like, giveme a break, I hear, isn't.
(27:11):
Mexico is trying to do something nowbecause of this discovery. They're trying
to actually pass something that proves thatsays, like, we have proved aliens
are real and they exist? Correct, are they? I didn't see?
Yeah? Oh yeah, like it'ssomething that's going through their congress like they
want to Well I know that NASAsaid bring the bodies here, we want
to examine them, and yeah,they don't want to give them over.
(27:33):
There needs to be an independent investigationinto that. That's not to whoever this
guy is. Because so let metell you about this guy. In twenty
fifteen, he claimed to have discoveredan alien mummy, a different alien mummy
in Peru again, but it waslater revealed to be a human child.
So why anyone is giving this guyat the time of day, I don't
really understand when he already has beendebunked on something else. Why are we
(27:59):
listening to him? Right? So, I feel like even if like somebody
even found in the alien body,like, none of us would believe it
anyways at this point. No,you know what I mean, No,
we would not at this point,nobody would believe it because it's been so
everything's been so fake, so faxeverything that nobody's gonna be was like whatever,
Well, what I would need toneed to believe it is I would
(28:19):
need to see an alien spaceship land. I would need to see the door
open, and I would need tosee them come out. That's what I
would have to be. They wouldhave to be destructive, you know,
like an Independence Day style for usto believe it. I think, well,
I don't want to know. Iwant them to be nice. I
want them to I'm not saying thisis what I want. I'm saying this
is how we the people would believeit. Right, Although there would be
(28:42):
those people that'd be like just thegovernment, it's blue Beam, it's Project
blue Beam. They're yeah, Ithink that's just sound. Is the same
like with bigfoot, aliens, aghost if anyone actually had one hundred percent
proof, yeah, still probably wouldn'tyou be like oh yeah right yeah.
(29:03):
So recently another alien body video cameout. It was from Russia. It's
resurfaced the videos from twenty eleven.People are saying it looks just like the
Peru alien bodies, and they're saying, oh, like this is like their
proof as like it's true, it'sreal. Look, they were found in
Russia and you know twenty eleven.But the Kremlin claims it to be a
(29:26):
hoax. Not that the Kremlin iscredible. They said it was just chicken
skin stuff with breadcrumbs. We callit Thanksgiving here, yeah Jesus, but
that's what they did. Who knowsthat like chicken skin breadcrumb like he's he's
(29:47):
smolled. Alien sounds good, soundslike delicious? Is that a Russian?
Yeah right, chicken, that soundsgreat. Actually, just the skin with
breadcrumbs, like you're telling to belike the crispy skin from like Thanksgiving that
(30:10):
you want to like take off theturkey, like the stuffing that's inside.
Like yeah, like you're just theonly good part I am like, especially
with like a smoke turkey. Youwant the crispy, delicious skin. Yeah,
I don't know good right now?And I don't even like turkey anymore.
I feel like I'm done with turkey. I had that conversation the other
day, like with somebody. Iwas just like, I think I'm over
(30:30):
turkey. Like I used to loveturkey dinner, but I want to do
it Thanksgiving brisket this year. Wellthat's the most Is that not the most
Texas thing you could have just saidon this podcast? Besides like is it?
I don't know. I don't know. Remember we usually do an Easter
brisket. I don't know other peopledo that. No, I think you
(30:52):
are one of the few. Idon't think. I'm not here in Texas.
I don't. Yeah, brisket's probablymore common there than it is here.
I could eat brisket every day,brisket, taco, brisket, eggs.
Oh yeah, let's be real.It's delicious, right kind of so
I could too, delicious. Yeah, Well that's all I have with my
stories. Well, they were weird. You were right, they were.
(31:17):
I love it, thou Yeah,I want to get me a haunted object.
Well, speaking of someone has ahaunted object and I believe it's haunted,
can contact us, Yeah, letus know, Gmail, Gmail.
I don't know. Unrefined show atgmail dot com. It's a hard one
to memory. Refined Unrefined show atgmail dot com. Yes, oh yeah,
speaking of haunted objects and people sendinghaunted objects. I watched that new
(31:45):
documentary from the New Kirks documentary inquotes, Okay, I'm gonna put documentary
in quotes. It was a movie. It was a film, and it's
called The Unbinding, and I thinkit's presented really well. Is a beautifully
made movie, Okay, like itis a beautifully made movie. Now,
(32:05):
there has been some weird controversies surroundingit that people have been pointing out on
social media and whatnot. I donot believe that Greg and Dana new Kirk
have any sort of weird hidden agendawith their things, but people, the
conspiracy theorists out there are trying tosay that they are. And if you
want to look into that further,go ahead. I'm not going to further
(32:27):
that and everything for me With TheUnbinding. I thought it was a really
well made movie. I thought thatthey presented their case well and everything.
But my issue with The Unbinding isthe same issue that I had with Hellier.
While I found it really captivating andI thought that their storytelling was great,
my issue is like it's another thingthat comes from a sort of anonymous
(32:52):
source that somehow, you know,ends up with them creating content around it,
you know what I mean, Likewe never get to meet the person
that sent them this supposed haunted statuethat they found in the Catskill Mountains here
in upstate New York. It allstarts and stems from a Reddit thread,
which the reddit thread is real,Like you can go when you can check
(33:13):
out the Reddit thread of somebody talkingabout the weird statue that they found,
and you know, that's really there, like that's a real thing, like
somebody was talking about it on thereand everything. But again, like I
think it was really really super wellI know, That's what my thing is
is, like, right, Redditis right, they could have been planting
(33:35):
the seeds of it. Other peoplehave pointed out they were saying, like
the events that they talk about inThe Unbinding would have also taken place while
they were making Hellier, and therewas no mention of any of this going
on while they were making Hellier oranything, so that's questionable to me too.
Again, I think that I thinkthat the New Kirks have done really
(33:55):
good work for the paranormal and everythinglike that. I just, you know,
I guess the skeptical My skeptical sideis skeptical on the what actually happened
with it. And I know youhaven't seen the I know you haven't seen
it yet, so you think youropinion on or anything. My opinion is,
(34:16):
if you want to watch a reallyinteresting movie, go ahead. It's
it's five bucks on YouTube if youwant to watch it. But I don't
believe a lot of what happened init. I don't believe a lot of
what they say that they did init. So that's just I don't know.
That's just me, and that's that'sjust me. And again, really
(34:38):
really super well made, high qualityproduction. Thought it was amazing if they
thought it was so important for themto free the being that they believed was
trapped inside of this statue. Idon't know why they needed to film SloMo
video of them walking forwards to do. So that's all I'm saying. If
something was bound, yeah, shouldn'tit probably had a good reason for why
(35:05):
would you try to unbind it?I don't know. There might have been
a very good reason why something wasbound up. Well, from all of
their research and everything and what theyfound. They found they thought that somebody
had bound a Slavic pagan god tothis statue or goddess or whatever, and
(35:31):
they needed to free this god.And what if that goddess did destruction to
humankind? I see, this iswhere I am finding fault with the movie.
And I just don't I just don'tknow. I just don't know.
I think if you find something inthe woods that's bound you maybe just live
(35:52):
it alone and walk away. Ithink, maybe can you find something buried
in the woods, or you seesomething in a tree trunk or something like
that, move along, leave itthere. You shouldn't be touching, and
we're messing with you. Somebody putit there for a reason. Don't touch
it. I also just kind ofthought like the whole thing was just like
a big advertisement for the fact thatthey've got a oddities museum that they bring
(36:13):
out on location to different parents there'syour conspiracy. The real conspiracy is they
are entertainers, they're filmmakers, andthey're just making a buck. That's your
conspiracy. Yeah, I know,and listen, I know that they started
off as like as as two kidsthat were doing ghost hunting and everything like
that, but they've they've clearly figuredout a way to make a living off
(36:34):
of it and everything like that.And the thing that I that I that
I don't understand is that they havea replica of the statue. Okay,
that the replica is what they usedin the movie because they they you know,
they just they got rid of thereal one. The real one is
no longer in existence or whatever yousaying, part of the which wasn't real
to begin with. Bats again,I know that's what I'm saying. But
(37:00):
you can see the replica of itin their Haunted museum. And I know
from seeing things on social media thatGreg Newkirk. I can't speak for Dana
Newkirk. I don't know. Idon't listen to their podcasts. I'm not
familiar. Has issues with with ZachBegans, the same issues that we have
with Zach Begans. But like youknow, man, you're you're doing museum.
(37:24):
Yeah, you're doing the same thingas him. You're doing the same
thing as Zach begans with the host. If I could have a haunted museum,
I would do it too. Youa haunted schinerbach Ram right next to
you right now. If you say, I know, I know we rag
on Zach all the time. Yeah, and it's super fun. Yes,
(37:45):
But if I could do a museum, I would too. I wouldn't do
I wouldn't lie and make up thingslike he is. Yeah, you know,
not that I have any evidence thathe is, but come on the
fact that he has the Divick boxin there is evidence enough. Yeah.
And the fact that we've spoken topeople and who can't talk publicly about but
(38:07):
he's investigated their places, yeah,and we know what happened. So I
would not do those types of things. But if I was had the opportunity
to to have a museum like notlike his, I don't want to send
the kids because I know his islike kind of like a haunted attraction.
(38:27):
A little bit. I would wantto have one too, But I also
don't believe in the haunted items,So I mean I think I would just
have like curiosities mostly. I guessyeah, you know what I mean.
Yeah, so like weird things,I'd I'd be more interested in having a
museum like that that is educational,you know what I mean. Yeah,
(38:50):
you can learn from something where youcould learn from films that are like known
hoaxes, like Here's why everyone believedit. Museum of hoaxes that would be
fun. Probably is already one.I'm sure there is like an urban legend
museum or something like that. Yeah, it's very Yeah, the words museum.
That's an urban legend museum. That'snot real either. There you go,
I set screw. I think it'sfun. I think just having a
(39:14):
museum of just creepy stuff. Isee his muse Steum just has creepy stuff
like the Dibbot Box. That's somethingthat's interesting. It's part of like urban
lore, right, that's something.It's cool to go over there and see
it. It's not haunted, it'snot in anything they present sepal times that
that's yeah, and the guy hasyou know, the guy has said times
that it is not real. ButI think it's cool to go over there
(39:36):
and see. It's cool to gosee Jack workians Van or whatever. It's
cool to go see that stuff.I know he's got like some of the
Ghostbusters original stuff, which is supercool. I would love to go see
that. But I just don't reallycare for, like, you know,
the whole saying these things are hauntedor whatever. I think it's just cool
to go see those items. Youdon't like the theatrics, Yeah, yeah,
(40:00):
I don't know. Maybe I dolike the theatrics, Like I don't
mind the jump scares, I don'tmind the creepy music and something that I
mind them scares. I know youdo. But I think it would be
fun to go see the stuff,you know, just because it is actual
stuff from our culture, from popculture, from paranormal culture. It is
those things. So I think it'dbe interesting to see. If I were
(40:21):
to do it, I do itlike that. I just wouldn't call it.
I wouldn't call it a hop museum, is what it is. I
was gonna say. If I wereto do it, i'd do it like
that Blueberry Hill restaurant that we wentto in Saint Louis in the Loop,
where it's just like pop culture itemsin a restaurant all in one and you
can go around normal pop culture,yeah, paranormal pop culture. Paranormal pop.
So where it's the world we're livingin right now, paranormal storming like
(40:44):
a soda brand or something that's yourname, mom, paranormal pops, paranormal
mall, paranormal pop. And yeah, you're dark, and we're gonna serve
pie and oddities pie, that's right, pie, And you just walk around
(41:08):
eating pie and just looking and stufflike, yeah, that's cool. You
just keep walking. Everybody gets apie like it's it's not an option.
You're getting pie and it's spooned andyou're walking around with like a pie plate.
Yeah you're oh, I guess afork. Yeah, you can have
ice cream if you want. Andthen you just walk around and you look
at these oddities. Okay, andwhat if'taining like, well, how can
(41:30):
you hold something to drink? Iguess you can't. Maybe we could cammel
back. Oh, we're gonna we'regonna invent something. It's gonna be like
a harness that you wear like aroundyour neck. It'll be like a really
long straw, and so you'll beeating it and then you'll just like the
cup will be there like attached tome, like one of those beer helmet
things. No, no, no, it'll be a necklace and it'll like
(41:51):
kind of like the shot glass necklaces, but it'll be like a sizeable drink
and it can be alcohol. Wecan serve like alcohol, and then I'll
have a lot straw and then youjust like sip it. Come on,
you know, like almost like afront loaded camel pack. Instead of being
on your back, it'll be onthe front and you just like sip your
drink and eat your pie and justgo look at some weird oddities. And
(42:12):
you're trending this even into like aweirder experience by the it's fun. I
would go to that. I wouldgo to that, and I have my
front loaded drink. Please, myfront may get long enough to where it's
like forty five minutes to an hourlong, so that you get like a
really good experience doing stuff, youknow, and it'd be really interesting and
(42:34):
you know, it's a night out, it's date night, it's fun something
to do. Sure, yeah,we could be like serve it in like
a colostomy bag or something. Whoknows that goes in the front, So
okay, sure's your front loaded colostomybag for a pouch. Maybe like you
know, like the Apple sauce pouch, but like for so you're so all
on pitchery right now? Okay,I can see it's like it's one of
(42:58):
those first eid Saint Bernard's with thebarrel around its neck from like Old Tiger.
You'll have a barrel around your neckand then with a straw and you
just sip it, but you eatyour pie, okay, all right,
Or maybe we'll do like McDonald's stylepipe, but I don't like that.
I want real pie. Okay,I want real pie. Well, there
(43:19):
you go. Nobody steal this businessmodel. Yeah, don't steal our mon
Pop'll have different sections. We'll havelike different areas that you can walk through,
different themes of like oddities. It'llbe good. Okay, Yeah,
you guys keep an eye out forthat coming soon. Anyway. All right,
that's all we have for this show. And I think you've heard enough
(43:43):
of us ramble about all this,so sorry, it's fine. We're good
to go. People love it,you know, They just they keep coming
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