Episode 217: The Haunted Hotel Utica

On this epiosde we break down our latest trip and event in St. Louis including the awesome AirBnB we stayed at. Recently BJ got to visit The Hotel Utica in Central New York.This hotel was built in 1912 and has many famous folks go through its doors. It now operated as a Double Tree, but the hotel staff keep the legends and lore alive and well. Showdow figures, cold spots, and more have been seen here. BJ talks about his experience at the hotel, his investigation, and the remote Estes session Metra and BJ tried out during this trip.

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Matt's AirBnB in St. Louis:
https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/20285366?source_impression_id=p3_1700430934_hJzx87X9deutWFbH

Episode Transcript

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All right, welcome back, guys, another episode of Unrefined for you BJS.
My name with me as always isMetra, and yes, yes,
we have been off for a littlewhile. There hasn't been a new episode
of Unrefined for a couple of weeksnow, but it's because it's been a
couple of weeks. Yeah. Yeah, and we've been busy. We've been
busy, that's all. Like,so settle down, Okay, we have

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been busy. We have been busy. We've done a couple of stations and
I was out of town for eightdays, yes, and part of that
was doing an investigation. So weare, we've we've got stuff coming up
and December is going to be rockingand rolling for you guys here and Unrefined.
So but thank you as always forjoining us. And if you head

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over to the description of this episode, you'll be all to get to all
of our links so you can followus on social media. You can listen
to the podcast wherever you want toget your podcast stuff done. Whatever it
is, who knows, who caresit is, It is what it is
anyway, So I want to Iwanna Yeah, I'm drinking a chocolatini actually,

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It's a peppermint chocolatini. We're drinking, guys. I know. I
found this at the HB. That'sthe grocery store here. It's called Texas
Craft Cocktails. It's a chocolatini madewith real cream. So I had this
idea to get it, to blendit with a little bit of extra cocoa
powder, yeah, and then topit off with some peppermint whipped cream that

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I found at Target and a candycane and then dusted it with cocoa.
I got that peppermint mipped cream too. It's this is this is delicious.
It tastes like it tastes like chocolatemilk with peppermint, and it is so
good. I'm on my second one, so I'm gonna be gonna be maybe
a little crazy, just letting youknow. Yes, chocolatini is delicious.

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I need to get some more forThanksgiving and make drinks for everybody. This
is your disclaimer and warning that Mitrais drinking on this episode. So yeah,
I have I have to tell peoplewhat I what I'm doing so that
they know why I shact you weird. This is this is really good.
You might as well let people know. I have a cocktail as well.
Mine's not as fancy. I've justgot like a little vodkatonic and lime,

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so so good. I'm glad thatI added the extra cocoa to it because
it's like even more chocolatey tasting.Yeah, it's like an adult chocolate milk
or something that sounds good. Thatsounds really good. So, you know,
I think the last time that youguys really heard from us, though,
we were getting ready for our eventin Saint Louis that we were doing

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at the Saint Louis Haunted Mansion.That is done. Thank you to everybody
who was there and came out.It was a rip roaring good time,
and yeah, that was interesting.It wasn't that we'll say that we're going
to get into our experiences there anduh stuff like that and a uh in

(03:12):
another episode, but it was youknow what, we're We're glad we got
to see a bunch of people happyto see that our contest winner from the
Spooky Sisterhood, Holly was there withher sister, and that was a lot
of fun and everything. So yeah, but that was that was a that
was a that's it, it wasdone. It's good. We sat through
a seance. We we'll put sancingquotes. I'm putting seancing quotes. We're

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gonna put seancing quotes, Like howyou said we sat through it? We
did? We did? We saidthat was that was a weird description.
We sat through it. Yeah,you know, it wasn't what I expected.
I'll say that, but we'll we'llget into that in another episode.
But also we are ahead. Iwas gonna say we stayed at a really
interesting airbnb while we were there,because listen, guys, we were it

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was sixteen hours. That was it. We literally flew in. I was
like, we need to find aplace that's like close by and basically cheap
because we don't need any frills oranything. We are literally there to sleep
and to leave. That's it.So we found someplace that was inexpensive.
This place was called the Milton BergerHouse in Saint Louis. It was built

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in eighteen fifty. Board's completely renovated. It's like an amazing I don't know,
mansion, That's what I want tocall it. In shout out to
Matt who is the owner of hishome, who greeted us at the front
door. Yeah, nice, uswith our bags to the room and he
was just awesome. I've been actuallycommunicating with him like since then because he's
now interested in listening to the show, which I think is great. He's

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an artist. He has all kindsof art pieces and stuff which which we
knew about when we okay, soyes, so we knew he has in
this house currently an Adel Rootstein,I open pronsing that correctly, Adel Roostine
Mannequin exhibit. Yes, these aremannequins. They are known as quote as
the Rolls Royce of mannequins. They'revery lifelike, are very life like.

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Ato Routstein was born in nineteen thirtyShe's a British national. She died in
nineteen ninety two, but she startedmaking these mannequins in the basement of her
house in nineteen fifty six. Overthe years, these mannequins were like known
for, like like I said,the lifelike quality that you could see like
pores on their skin and stuff likethat. She used all kinds of real

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life models, like some famous,some not famous, some like socialites,
things like that. Some of themore like well known people that she used
to model her mannequins after was chareJoan Collins, and Twiggy, so as
she was like all those NA sawNow that you say that, that's what
he had in the airbnb was hehad these Monica modicles mannequin there's a word

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for you, guys. He hadthese mannequins display displayed all throughout the house.
And it was very cool, butit was also a little scary.
Was very when you're coming in atlike from a ghost hunt. Yeah,
like midnight and you're coming in,it's a little jarry say, it's a

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little jary. Well, it's alsoit was also just funny because like,
you know, I knew that theywere there. We went and we saw
them, and I was like,we're well aware. He makes it very
clear on this. Yeah, therewas a surprise. Surprise. I guess
you just don't know until you seeit. And it was like every time
we came down the stairs, you'relike, oh my god, I thought
there was somebody standing there every singletime, every single time, every time,

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but again we were only there forsixteen hours, so every single time
is like twice. So yeah,also, I would I would absolutely,
I would. I would highly recommendstaying that. I would definitely say there
again, it was inexpensive you're rentingthe room. The bathroom's right there,
there's a kitchen right there, veryprivate everything, and it was like under

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seven a night. So I mean, that's like a steal. I'm sorry.
That's what Airbnb is supposed to be. It's supposed to be that price.
I was hotel price, right,Like if you were saying, if
you were staying at a hotel ormotel for that price, your amenities would
be limited. Like he had thatroom decked out and comfortable, like cral.
It was very nice. And whatI love is he had a book

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about the history and architecture of thehouse that you can read and learn about,
which I love that stuff. Yeaalso also also Okay, So we're
sitting there on the bed. Sowe get in, yeah, and it's
like we have like maybe an hourand a half before we have to go

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to the ghost hunt because we gotin and we ate made at the Steak
and Shake okay, my milkshake beforewe go on the investigation. Yes,
it was. It was in thetell of milkshake. It was great.
Anyway, So we're over there,we're sitting on the bed and I'm going
I'm looking at my spirit box andmy equipment, making sure it's like turning
on and work, and just gettingfamiliar with it again every time. I

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got to just go through it again, make sure I remember how it works.
So I just turn it on andI'm going through it and it flipping
through, and I look over atBJ and I'm like, I wonder if
this place is haunted. And he'slike, no, Mitra, no,
you did not ask permission to doany kind of investigation in this house.
You cannot do that. And I'mlike, I just I just want to
know if it's haunted. And he'slike adamant. He's like, no,

(08:24):
do not say anything, and Iis anybody here or something like that,
and I swear I heard Bruce andI turned to him and I go,
Bruce, and you said, turnit off, Mitri. You didn't ask
permission. You don't. You didn'task permission for this airbnb to for anything
like that. And I said,okay, fine, I turned it off.
So it was literally on for likemaybe a minute, and I turn
it off. So anyways, wego to the we go to the Saint

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Louis Haunted mansion. We do thewhole night thing. We come back exhausted.
We're absolutely exhausted. This is whenwe did the time change too,
Like we were about to do likethe time change for daylight Saving time,
and we had to wake up earlyto catch our flight. I think we
had to wake up what at threepoint thirty in the morning or something.
And I'm nervous about oversleeping. I'mnervous because it's a time change thing.

(09:09):
Is I kinna, Like, ismy phone gonna flip over immediately? Do
I have to do something? SoI'm like all nervous about it. And
we didn't really get a chance todecompress after the ghost hunch, which is
what we like to do, yes, and we didn't get to do that
because we usually like to watch somethingfunny, end uplifting, and yeah,
we didn't get to do that.And I'm like, let's just turn the

(09:31):
TV on. We turn it onand flipping through the channels, can't find
anything land on Star Trek next Generationbecause that's all like a fine. I
don't even know. I didn't evenknow you turned the TV. I passed
out, like I justj was out. He like rolled over and he's like
snoring in like ten seconds. Iwas like thanks and by myself. Now,
yeah, you were anyways, SoI'm sitting there, like, you
know, Star Trek the next Generationis on, yeah, and I'm like,

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okay, I need to try togo to sleep. I just turned
it down, but I just wantedit on for like noise and light and
stuff. You know. I'm justlaying and immediately I feel something compress on
the bed at the feet of mybed. It was almost like it was
on my feet, but not likearound my feet. I can't explain it,
like I didn't feel anything on myfeet. My feet felt unusually hot,

(10:18):
which is really weird because you knowme, my hands and feet are
like freezing all the time. Myfeet felt really hot. And then it
felt like a compression on the bed, like around the feet, and I
was like, that's really weird.And the first thing I thought of was
a cat jumping on the bed,and I thought back because one of the
notes he had was he has acat, and he's like, don't let

(10:39):
the cat in the room because thecat will rip up the furniture. So
I was like, the cat didn'tcome in here. I was like the
cat. I was like, no, the cat's not in here. The
door was closed. There's no cat, and I have cats and you can
feel them walk up around. I'mlike, it wasn't a cat. It
wasn't like a jump on the bed. It was just like something just pushed
down and I was like, justignore it. You're exhausted, you know.
And so I'm just like laying thereand then and I feel this cold

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feeling on like right above my cheekbone, and it was just like someone almost
like the only thing I can describeit as is like, because I'm going
with a cat theme, is awet cat nose going across like just kind
of like sniffing and going across yourface and feeling that wet nose or like

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a wet finger like touching and goingacross your face up there. And I
was like, Okay, that wasweird. And I was like and I
told myself, I was like,I don't care, I'm going to sleep.
Yeah, Like I just like literallywas so tired. I didn't care.
I want to go to sleep.Problem for another time, I know.
Right, So afterwards we're back,we leave Saint Louis or everything,

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and I had asked BJ, like, can you message the guy and ask
him as this place haunted? Likethat was a weird experience. Now,
me being the person I am,I like to debunk anything because I'm always
that now. I have nerve pain, and the nerve pain is mostly isolated
on the left side of my body. I do get a lot of nerve

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pain on my face on the leftside due to like my neck pain,
I have like the TMJ pain andstuff. For me, it's a burning
hot sensation. But I have nervepain like on my leg and stuff sometimes,
and it does feel sometimes like itcan be a cool pain. It
does sometimes feel wet, it canfeel like a rain drop suddenly falls on

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you, so feeling that I cansay that it did feel like some odd
nerve pain. But when I feelnerve pain in my face, it's like
consistent and I continuously feel it.It's not just this one time thing.
So I can't rule out that itwasn't nerve pain, although I don't feel
nerve pain on that side of myface on the right side. And as
far as the decompression on the bed, I don't know. I was super

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tiredly, yeah, so I can'tsay either way. But it was just
weirder, And that's why I wantedto know, like had any one said
anything to him, because if itwas similar, if somebody else. But
he said he's never heard of anything. So if he's never had anyone say
anything, and he hasn't said anything, I don't know what to make of
it. But it was just aweird experience, and maybe I was just

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really, really tired. I don'tknow. I messaged him. He said
that he's been there for like overtwenty years. He's never experienced anything or
anything now, so but he didtell us, ay, we're welcome back
anytime. But so, Matt,if you are listening and you want us
to come back and do a parentinvestigation, let us know the name Bruce
mean anything. All I keep thinkingis maybe it was a cat named Bruce.

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I don't know why. I thinkthat. Maybe he's a big sprucetein
fan. I don't know. Thatcould be too, I don't know anyway,
So that well, that was it. Again. We're going to drop
the link to that airbnb into thedescription of this episode. Now. Matt
did tell me that right now currentlyhe's kind of like shut down the airbnb

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for the winter to do like repairsand a bunch of other things to the
house that need to get done andeverything like that. A little upkeep and
everything, but it will be backopen for twenty twenty four. So if
anybody wants to go and stay there, you're more than welcome to. Please
be respectful, Please treat Matt withgreat respect and everything, because he is
a super nice guy. And youknow, like I said, we'll probably

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be going back and staying there again. And if he wants us to investigate,
you know, the cards are onthe table, my friend, right.
You know, So I don't wantto investigate someone's house that they live
in because what if we accidentally likeopen a portal to hell. We don't
want to stir up any activity.Yeah, I don't want to do anything.
Yeah, wouldn't be interesting either way. Either way it would be interesting,

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but great place to stay again.Drop the link to that description in
the episode of this podcast. Also, I just I'm gonna tease right now.
I'm gonna tease it because I haven'tworked out an exact time yet or
anything. But there is a prettybig YouTube channel. This person is a
debunk I'm gonna put it out thereand they would like to come on to

(15:03):
Unrefined and chat with us about whatthey do and what their mission is and
all that other stuff that goes intoit and everything like that. I haven't
worked out a time with them yet, but it looks like it's going to
be happening soon, so stay tunedfor that too. So sorry. You
know what, if you're part ofthe paranoral community and you don't like people
that are debunking stuff, maybe youwon't like that episode. But I'm all
about hearing all sides of everything.I'm not some closed minded jerk. I

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want to hear what everyone has tosay about this stuff. So that's how
it goes, So just deal withit anyway. Speaking of hearing all sides
of things, I got to explorethe Hotel Utica, which is a double
tree in Utica, New York.But it used to be called the Hotel
Utica, and we're going to talkabout kind of is it not called Hotel

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Utica anymore? It is, andit isn't. So if it's just like
the Emily Morgan, right, so, the Emily Morgan is a double tree,
Hotel Utica is a double tree.So because of the historic name that
right, so on the doors ofthe hotel it still says hell Utica.
A lot of their stationary says HotelUtica. But like it's a giant double

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tree logo on the outside of thebuilding and everything like that, and if
you look it up online, Ithink the first thing that pops up when
you go to search for Hotel Uticais double Tree. So but the Hotel
Utica is the place and everything.And I got to go there because I
work with the Utica branch. It'slike the office, right, I work

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with the Utica branch of my company, and they were first of all,
they found out about Unrefined and theywere like, this is so cool,
Like you do ghost hunting, Wewould love for you to do something with
us this this Halloween season for that. So this actually happened like it was
literally like just like a few daysbefore Halloween and then things got really busy

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and everything. And as you know, we like to go through things and
find things before we just go aheadand jump into anything. We're not just
going to like all of a sudden, do a show on it or anything
like that. We'd like to makesure we've you know, done our due
diligence with it and everything. Soanyway, I got to go there for

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my work. I got to bringa couple of my coworkers out there and
investigate the hotel. Also got towork with a yet a pretty well known
YouTuber. It was a really niceguy. His name is Yasco and Ben
is who works with him on hischannel. Ben is the son of one

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of the radio hosts at the radiostation that I work with. I had
no idea either, so and thatwas kind of like sprung up on me
in the last second. Like Ithought I was just going out there solo.
Meter couldn't get there. It wasjust like minute, like the week
beforehand is they were like are youin? And I was like, all
right, I'm in and everything,and then we looked up plane tickets and
it was like for like many likeI don't get to go on an investigation

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with you. It was pretty lame. It was pretty lame. But we
did do and we'll talk about itlater on in the show. We did
do a remote ESTA session from thehotel where I went under and metro aspects.
We were going to try to doit live, but it was complicated
and you we just were on atime crunch with it and with such a
time for it, so I wantedto make sure we got as much done

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as possible and gave the investigation andenough time and everything like that too.
So I guess, like I'll start. I just kind of want to go
through a little bit of like thehistory and everything of the hotel, because
there is, like there's a goodamount of history with this place. Because
the Hotel Utica opened up in nineteentwelve in the month of March to fifteen

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hundred, invited guests to come andkind of like kick off the party and
everything. President William Howard Taft wasthere in nineteen twelve because it was the
hotel he stayed out while attending afuneral of a well known Utica native.
So I don't know, I guesshe was there. But there's actually been
quite a few pretty big name celebritieswho have stayed there. Fdr ran campaigns

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for his presidential run out of theHotel Utica in the nineteen twenties, which
is really wild. During Prohibition,there was a brewery that was there,
and it's the only brewery in Uticato avoid bankruptcy at that time. There
were not as many floors at all. What did they do? They didn't

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tell us, They didn't tell usno idea. It wasn't like, you
know, like what Anheuser Busch hadthat that what is it, the non
alcoholic drink that everybody didn't like,right, maybe that's maybe that's what they
did. Yeah, but Anheuser Buschthey sold the non alcoholic drink, but
when you bought the drink there wasa recipe right to make your own or

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something like that. That's why peoplewere buying it. Something like that.
Yeah, God, I can't rememberthe name of it. We've been there
twice, Rice, Yeah, comeon, get it together. So,
like I said, FDR was there. You know, it was a prohibition
thing going on there. There werefour additional floors added to the hotel in

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nineteen twenty six because there was alot of people traveling through there. And
in nineteen twenty eight, Amelia Earhartheld a luncheon, well, they held
a luncheon in her honor at theHotel Utica Ballroom before she took off,
and you know, obviously was neverseen again. But before that she was

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in Utica, New York, justlike Kevin Bacon was a few weeks ago
or whatever. So she's kind ofconnected to Kevin Bacon. It's pretty amazing.
Sorry, dis Vin Bacon. Yeah, there there's I mean this hotel
has been. It's a it's apretty big hotel. There's a lot of
people that have been there, andthere's been some really interesting things that have

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been there throughout time. A lotof baseball teams who have been traveling through
there to their way on their wayto Cooperstown and stuff like that, they
have stayed at the Hotel Utica.A lot of the minor league hockey teams
that come through there, because theUtica has a pretty big minor league hockey
audience, they have stayed there,like recently and throughout the years. Judy
Garland in nineteen fifties sang from themezzanine to hundreds of people who were gathered

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on the lobby level to see herat the Hotel Utica. Bobby Darren,
Johnny Cash, Nelson Rockefeller, JackieRobinson, the first lady out on R.
Roosevelt, all of them stayed therein the nineteen fifties. No like
disrespect to Utica, but like,why exactly were these people in Utica.

(21:52):
I don't know, Listen that it'sa place that I've been and everything like
that. Now Utica is pretty historicand everything. Maybe they were going there
because they and they wanted some tomatobody. Maybe they wanted some tomato buy
or kicking Riggi's. They were ontour. Maybe, I guess you hit
up everywhere. Yeah, there's there'sbeen a lot. In the nineteen seventy
two the hotel actually closed after sixtyyears eight months of continuous operation. After

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that, it was like a numberof other things. In two thousand and
one, the Hotel Utica reopened andGovernor George Pataki of New York was there
for the grand reopening and everything.The people who bought it in nineteen ninety
eight kind of like revitalized it andbrought it into what it was and everything.

(22:41):
Bought it for thirteen million dollars,which is wild. Yeah, they
purchased the hotel and it was thirteenmillion dollars plus. I guess that was
the cost of the resident run therenovations sometimes right, so, But then
A Double Tree Hilton bought it intwo thousand and sixteen. They had a

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bunch of other renovations that were goingon at that time and those were completed
in twenty seventeen. There are Ibelieve there are ten nine or ten floors.
I can't remember. I think it'sthe nine nine floors or yeah,
nine floors, I believe that arein operation. But above those nine floors

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there's ten, eleven, twelve,fourteen. I believe it's one of those
ones that skipped thirteen again that areabandoned, that are part of the old
hotel. They just why did theywhy are they abandoned? They just I
think what happened was when it closedand the other company began doing renovations.

(23:48):
I think they gutted them and thenthey just never finished them. And Double
Tree and the another hotel had soten, eleven, twelve, and fourteen
are all abandoned. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so, and we have
a lot of space to just likego it is. They use it for
storage now mostly if you watched ifyou watched ghost Hunters, because the ghost

(24:12):
hunters have been there, you knowthe you know the ghosts, Yeah,
they've been there, and they calledthem the forbidden floors, and that's that's
not the case. They're not forbidden, you're just you know, average the
average hotel guests can't go up there. However, we got to go up
there, well, it must beforbidden. But the average ghosts, the

(24:32):
average hotels guests, right exactly.The only people allowed up there are the
ghosts. That's exactly unless you arealso a hotel worker or somebody else who's
gone up there. And clearly I'vebeen having a little party time because we
found an awful lot of empty beerbottles up there. A whole lot of
empty beer bottles. Yeah, youthink it's like the employees, Yeah,

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I think they do. Actually hilarious. Well, there's ways to get up
there. I mean, I'm notgoing to tell you how we got up
there, because there's supposed to havea code, and then we couldn't remember
the code. And then by thetime we were trying to get up there,
it was like going for like eleveno'clock at night or something like that,
and like anybody at the hotel thatwould have had it was clearly no
longer there. It was all thenight crew. They did not have the

(25:17):
code because only management has it andthey're not there that late. But I
will tell you that I'm happy thatI was there with a young man such
as Yasco who was able to figureout a way for us to get up
to those floors. I will saythat because he is much more limber than
I am. Let's just say,okay, so but anyway, some of

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the haunted history behind this place.Guests have noticed shadowy, shadowy figures on
the mezzanine level looking down towards thelobby. Matt, who is one of
the ones who gave us the tour, which, by the way, shout
out to uh Matt and Anne Marie. They were the two hotel employees that
gave us the tour and walked aroundwith us. And they were super they
were super awesome. They were reallyreally good. But Matt told us that

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the mezzanine level is the place wherehe kind of gets creeped out the most,
where he was hoping and expecting usto like find something while we were
there. And I'll tell you rightout right now, we didn't get any
activity on the mezzanine level at all, But that doesn't mean anything. But
you know, there's been a lotof weird stuff that has happened out of
nowhere. The chandeliers and like thelobby, and these are gorgeous. The

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lobby is gorgeous. The chandelier lightswill just start, you know, pulsating
and flickering and on and off andon and off and on and off,
and people will watch it happen.There's one particular corner of the mezzanine where
that will happen with the lights aswell, and they said that they've had
people in there looking at the electricalwork and everything, and there's never been
anybody to say that there's anything wrongwith the wiring or anything like that that

(26:48):
would make that happen. So,I don't know, chalk it up too,
hasn't either there either hasn't been enoughlooked into for it, or it
is something weird and supernatural that's goingon. It didn't happen. It's old.
Yeah, So a couple of theother things too. In the main
kitchen, they said salt and peppershakers along with pans and stuff will start

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like sliding off the counters, fallingto the floor. They've even had them
thrown across the kitchen while there wasonly two people in there. And shadowy
figures have been seen in the servingarea of the kitchen, and cold spots
have been experienced as well. Let'ssee, there is a couple of rooms

(27:32):
in the hotel that are haunted aswell. And when I say a couple
of rooms, I mean there's likea chunk of them. There are three
rooms, in particular on the fourthfloor that are haunted Room four to ten,
Room four o eight, in roomfour oh nine, four oh eight
and four oh nine are actually adjoiningrooms. You can get to them,
they're connected or whatever. And forthese did you do you know if these

(27:57):
all three rooms from maybe part ofa larger suite at one time. Maybe
I don't know. I know fourten is a corner room, though I
know that because we went in thereand everything they says the hotel was renovating
room for ten. Everything was takenapart in the room, including the phone,
like there was nothing in there,no power, no anything. But

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for some reason, the phone,even though it wasn't connected to a jack,
kept ringing and was trying to itwas like they, you know,
the front desk or something was tryingto call them or something like that.
Even though the phone had no plugin. It wasn't plugged into a jacket,
wasn't plugged into a wall or anything. So that's a little peculiar and
everything. Multiple guests have experienced heavypressure on their chest while sleeping in Room

(28:44):
four ten. There have been thingsmoved in that room where hotel guests have
come into the hallways and actually askedhousekeepers if they were in there moving things
on them. So that's a littlebit odd and everything. That was one
of the first rooms that we wentinto when we were going on the tour
was four to ten. I'll tellyou, I didn't feel anything weird in

(29:06):
there or anything like that, andwe didn't spend a lot of time in
that room or anything. But thenwe walked down the hall to room four
oh nine, and four O ninewas the next one on the list.
This room is one of the roomswhere he said people will literally check into
the hotel, they'll go into fouroh nine and they will walk right back
out and say, I don't wantto stay in here. Something feels off.

(29:30):
Again, went into that room,nothing felt weird to me or anything
like that. We kind of lookedaround a little bit. I had my
emf nothing was going off or anythinglike that. However, when we walked
right next door to room four oheight, this was a very odd sensation
that I felt. As soon asI walked into that room. Four o

(29:52):
eight is known to have activity init as well. As soon as I
walked into it, I felt areally, really weird pressure. My head
started to hurt. It became alittle bit harder to breathe and everything,
and I thought I was just itwas me at first. Yeah, several
other people in that room said thesame exact thing at the same exact time.

(30:15):
I said, the pressure in thisroom feels off. I said,
something feels weird in here, youknow. No, I wonder if it's
high EMF. That's not necessarily relatedto say a ghost, because you're in
a hotel and they can have EMFrunning all through the hotel. I mean,

(30:36):
they're all wired up for everything.Yeah. The reason why I say
this is because when we were atthe Manger Hotel, I was having a
hard time sleeping. I couldn't sleepat night and I just had randomly put
my EMF down because we were gettingready to go do something and it was
on. I turned it on andI just threw it down the bed and
it just started going off like crazy. Yeah, and it went off crazy

(30:59):
all along almost like a line ofwhere my side of the bed was all.
My side of the bed was goingoff like crazy. There was no
ghost sitting on my bed or anythinglike that. And handed over to BJ.
The side of the bed was fine. My side of the bed was
going off the wall next to it, the floor. We have a video
of it all, all of itwas going off. It wasn't ghost.
We didn't talk about it before oranything like that because we are certain that

(31:22):
it was something electrical. Something wassomething through the room though, And then
it got kind of got me thinkinglike, Okay, this is why I'm
not sleeping well at night. Thereis some and it's just on my side
of the bed, which was soweird. So I was wondering sometimes when
these rooms that people are like,oh I feel this, or I feel
dizzy, I feel tired, Ihave a headache, I feel pressure.
It's because it's a hotel room.And he knows all sides of the wall,

(31:47):
ceiling, floor, there's wires andair conditioning and whatever running through it.
You know exactly, there's a lotof electrocal equipment going all times during
a home. I mean, itcould be a ghost too. I mean
that's what makes it hard doing aninvestigation at a at a hotel, you
know, at a hotel. Metroand I have done a lot of hotels

(32:08):
recently and everything. It is hardto do investigations there. You really have
to make if you can't control foranything, no, because when you're wanting
to do any kind of investigation,experiment, anything like that, you want
to control for any variables, andthere's absolutely no way to control for anything
at a hotel at all. There'sa couple of well known spirits at the

(32:31):
Hotel Unico, by the way.The one that why Matt thought that we
would get stuff on the mezzanine ishe hangs out on the mezzanine. His
name is the Man in the tuxedois what they call him. He's otherwise
known as Charlie. And it's apeople literally see somebody in a tuxedo on

(32:52):
the mezzanine level sometimes and I guessin the nineteen fifties there was a man
in a tuxedo who hung himself offthem as an inn, and they thought
that they think that it's him that'sthere. What's his name, Charlie.
I don't know. I don't knowwhy they come. Little creepy story about
Charlie. And my coworker Megan,who works at WIBX out of Utica.

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So when she was traveling there initiallyto audition, not audition but interview for
the job that she has now,she decided she would check out the Hotel
Utica because of its haunted reputation.And she went to the bar there and
she had a drink and she feltlike something poked her in the eye,

(33:37):
and upon leaving, she said therewas nothing there. There was nothing in
her eye anything like that. Hereye swelled up and closed shut for like
three days, like something had donesomething to her. Now, I don't
know what it could have been.She said that she wasn't bit by anything.
There was no evidence that was weird. I mean, it was very

(33:58):
interesting. She's convinced it was Charlie. I told her. I said it
was a Charlie and she said,listen until you could prove me otherwise.
I got poked in the eye bya ghost. And I said, okay,
fine, you got poked in theeye by a ghost. We'll leave
it a shit allergic reaction to something. But okay, I know, right,
But man, it was. It'scrazy, just like to have an
experience like that at a place andeverything, and then you're like, well,

(34:20):
of course I did, because theytold me that it was haunted.
Anyway, Now, the room thatI stayed in was room three sixteen.
That's another one of the haunted rooms. That room originally was just calling the
front desk at random, even whennobody was in there, and they would
pick up the phone and there wouldjust be static on the other end.

(34:42):
Yeah, it was very, veryweird. Did they have a phone in
there? Of course they had aphone in there. I don't know the
hotel still have phones. I don'tremember. Yeah, this is so a
lot of this reported activity didn't reallystart coming to light until two thousand and
one with the renovations and the reopeners. So there's no real record of the
hauntings or anything, at least bythe hotel when it was originally opened and

(35:06):
stuff from like nineteen twelve to whenit closed in the nineteen seventies or whatever.
So what's weird about that room too, is that vacuum cleaners wouldn't work
in the outlets. The bathroom itemswould move around while housekeeping would be cleaning.
Guests had also reported seeing a younggirl in the corridor outside of the
room very late at night. A. I guess they had a medium come

(35:29):
and stay in that hotel room.And I don't know if they brought the
medium in or if the medium justhappened to stay there, But she told
the hotel that there was a littlegirl named Jesse who was killed in the
Great Fire of the Bag's Hotel,which burned to the ground several blocks away
from the Hotel Utica in eighteen seventy. She told the hotel team that Jesse

(35:52):
eventually made her way over to theHotel Utica and settled in room three sixteen.
But the medium also let the hotelstaff know that she was kind enough
to help Jesse move on to theother side. But they said that soon
after the medium told them that thatall the activity that was going on in

(36:13):
there prior to twenty sixteen came toa stop. The phone stop ringing,
and all the stuff stopped happening too. Well, then that's a good thing.
I guess it's a good thing.Yeah, good for if this medium
really did that, or if itwas just you know, the power of
suggestion or whatever it had happened tobe and made it happy. So obviously
you know, now, Mitra,why I chose to stay in that room

(36:36):
because it had been cleaned out exactly. Oh man, it was overall really
really cool experience, beautiful hotel,absolutely gorgeous. I would one hundred percent
recommend if you are traveling out intoCentral New York and you need to stay
at a hotel, that one isthe one to do so. Plus they
just kept offering us the cookies.And I don't know if that was just

(36:57):
because they knew who we were andwe were there to have some fun with
the Double Tree cookies. Oh yeah, they could. The upfront desk was
like they were like, you canhave another one, and go ahead,
have another one, and we're like, okay, happened. Where do they
get them from? I don't know. It seemed like they were baking them
fresh. I don't know. Iguess in their kitchen. They could have
been frozen and they break so thatthey're saying at every hotel. Yeah.

(37:19):
Right, Let's talk a little bitabout the investigation that I did. And
you know, it was, likeI said, we spent a little bit
of time in the mezzanine, andwe didn't really get anything out of out
of the mezzanine. But where wedid go, where I got the most
activity that I've seen in a ina long while at a hotel, I'll

(37:39):
say, was down into the basement. And so we went into the basement
and we went into like the oldarea of the basement where the old boilers
are and all the old stuff.Hotel staff said that they believe that there
is a spirit of a twelve yearold boy down there. They don't know

(37:59):
why, they just it just seemsthat way that it's a child. And
some of the hotel staff will evengo down and leave toys down there and
stuff like that to see if they'replayed with or anything like that. I
mean, he's twelve. Was heplaying with toys? I don't know who
knows, and who's to say wereally even truly know that he's twelve.
We have no idea. But anyway, so he's twelve years old, he's

(38:22):
down there. So we go down. It's myself, it's Yasco and Ben,
and it's three of my coworkers fromthe Utica market, Megan, John
and and Brady and so all ofus are down there. I had a
digital recorder running and I went andI listened to it, and there's just
too many of us, and there'stoo much other noise to definitively get like

(38:45):
any sort of EVP evidence while that'sgoing on or anything like that. I
will tell you though, one ofthe creepiest basements I've ever been into.
And you and I have been intosome creepy bitsiness. This was definitely one
of them. It was like,you know, there's like chains hanging down
from like the ceiling. Oh,I have no idea, but it's it's

(39:06):
pretty cool. So, you know, we start, we start asking some
questions. I gave my both ofthe EMFs that I have to uh,
two of my coworkers, so thatthey could kind of have an experience while
they were there and try and helpwith the investigation and everything. Had they
been on a ghost hunt before?My My coworker John had been John Hyde.

(39:30):
He actually used to do ghost hunting. That was in Nashville, I
believe, but he didn't do itanymore. So this was like his first
time out since then. So oneof the things that I did was I
set down our hotel bells. Ihave figured, you know, if we're
at a hotel, went out,let's see if we can get them to
ring. And I put down thecat balls as well, because I like

(39:52):
those. I think that they're alot of fun. If you can get
those things to move, that's somepretty cool compelling evidence. Right. No.
No, So we're going around andwe're asking questions and everything. I
had the spirit box going without headphones, like, I just had it loud
and we were all listening for stuffand what we and Yasco had that Spirit

(40:12):
Talker app going. And you know, you and I are both ify on
apps and everything like that. I'mnot iffy on apps. You're not iffy
on apps. No, I donot like them. Oh okay, all
right, never mind, we bothdon't like apps. We like appetizers,
though, send those apps. I'mnot. I don't trust any of those
ghost hunting apps. They are outfor me. I don't either. I

(40:32):
don't either. We'll get into thatin another time though. So he's using
the spirit stock or spirit Stocker spiritapp and it came one of the thing
that came through on it said hidingin the dark, and we were like,
all right, that's interesting. Iwas like, okay. I was
like, we are in a basement. I said, maybe there's something to
it and stuff like that. Andso I went and I had the cat

(40:54):
balls over in the area where theysaid they thought the kid liked to play.
And I took one of the catballs and I moved it over into
like the pitch black behind the boilersand everything, and then I walked away
and we continue to ask questions.I kept saying, you know, like
put something down over there, ifyou move it, it will light up.
It's a ball. You can playwith it, do whatever you want

(41:16):
with it and everything. And Iit's sure enough. The cat ball went
off and we were like, ohmy god. And it wasn't it was
a It was on a flat surface, there was nobody over there messing with
you. That's like my dream tosee it go off in like a dark
area all my dream. And alsolike I think it would be super scary.

(41:36):
I'd be freaked out, but alsolike, oh my god, that's
so awesome. Well, I mean, here's the thing. I wasn't like
super It wasn't super scary or anything. It was like it was amazing.
Like I was like, oh mygod. And then even like John who
was with me and told me thathe has gone to go someting before,
said he goes, that's the firsttime I've ever seen a catball move on
investigation, And so we did that. There was a lot of excitement going

(41:59):
on, and then the cap ballmoved again. After that, it moved
twice for us down there behind theboiler. So that was really interesting.
And you know, What was reallywas really really interesting about that was like,
so we were getting some responses fromthe Spirit the SB seven that I

(42:20):
had out. We were getting somethings that were saying random things. I
can't remember what they were saying.And Yasco was getting some things on that
app that kind of made sense forwhat we were asking and what we were
talking about, which is interesting becauseI don't trust those apps, but what
was being said to us was makingsense. Then all of a sudden,
like after the capball went off thesecond time, it was like all of

(42:43):
the energy like was sucked out ofthe room and nothing happened. His app
stopped. We're talking, the EMFstopped going off, which, by the
way, while the cap balls weregoing off, the EMFs were going off
as well. So that's like twolike things to kind of yeah together that
were going off at the same time, which we've never really seen it.

(43:06):
Yeah, it was really interesting.So we couldn't get confirmation if it was
a kid. We couldn't get confirmationwhat the name was or anything like that,
but it was it was pretty cool. It was pretty cool. I
really enjoyed that. Sad I missedit. I know. The next place
that we went. My coworkers fromMutica ended up going home. I went

(43:28):
up to the room and I didthe remote ESTA session with you. Yeah,
that was really interesting because we didn'tdo it for very long. We
did not do it very but wedid it long enough. We did it
long enough, and I think whatwe did was fine. I wrote down

(43:49):
some of the responses to it,and also like, I put a video
together which I will put up eventuallyonto our YouTube page, which is the
complete and total, uncut version ofit, because I feel that if you
are going to do an ESTA sessionand you are going to post about it,
you need to post the full versionof it so people can see that
half of what's being said to youis complete and total nonsense. Complete nonsense

(44:13):
makes no sense to the questions thatare being asked. So I hate when
a content creator will post that they'redoing the ESTU method and it is clearly
like cust superedited, you can seeall the stop and start points. Yeah,
I like using the spirit box,but I also I also definitely see

(44:34):
the flaws and I see the problems. I think there's obviously a lot of
your own personal bias going into it, so I understand that. Yeah,
and I understand, like, I'mnot even one hundred percent like going to
trust it myself, but I thinkit's interesting. I guess it's an interesting
experiment. Whether it's your own biassaying these things or it's a spirit coming

(44:57):
through, I think it's a it'san interesting experiment. Yeah, it is.
And I think that's you know,honestly, like the best thing that
you could do for any tool andthe paranormal is to keep using it and
see what kind of results you canget out of it. That's all you
can do, right, So that'swhat we tried this. There were you
know, there were a lot ofthings said when Mietro was asking questions that

(45:19):
really had no meaning to it hadmeaning might have meaning to us because I
said the number three twice, whichnature you cannot escape the number three.
I have been plagued with the numberthree since the summer. Yeah, you
can. I don't understand what's goingon. I don't understand what it means
either, And I know the problemis the more you think about, the

(45:42):
more you focus on something, themore you're going to see it and notice
it. Yeah, And I've actuallytold myself to try to notice other numbers
m h. And I'll have totell you. When I tell myself to
notice other numbers, I do noticethem, and I stop noticing three.
So yeah, but it's not likeI can make you say numbers. No,
you can't make me say anything here. I couldn't hear what you were

(46:04):
saying. I couldn't hear anything saying, right. I could hear the spirit
boxes. I've got the you know, the headphones on and everything. And
I'm not looking at you either.You will see that when we post the
video of it. You'll see,Like I mean, at this point in
time, I think that people knowhow to ask. This method works.
One person is asking the questions.The other person either has a blindfold on
or they're looking in the opposite directionso they can't live or anything like that

(46:25):
either. So during this though,there was only like there was a chunk
of what was going on that waskind of interesting, okay, because you
you know, you're just continuing toask, like you know, like what's
your name? Like you know,do you know where you are? Like
why are you here? And stufflike that, And all of a sudden,
I said who he was over there? And you go who was over

(46:47):
there? And I said Patrick andyou go, okay, who was over
there? And then I said Tom, And so I'm giving you like two
names there. And then I saidhello like a weird I don't know what
that was, but that's what Isaid. Then I said crazy and you
said are you crazy? Is Tomcrazy? What's crazy? Or no?

(47:09):
You said is Tom? Is Tomcrazy? And my response was yes,
that's right. And then I saidhe was King of the Road, which
doesn't make any sense. We lookedthat up, right, We looked up
that there was a there's a songcalled King of the Road. Yeah.
I don't know. It has nothingto do with Utica, but you know,
maybe Tom was a truck driver orsomething along those lines. Who knows.

(47:32):
I said blood in this little likecluster of things. Yes, you
said did he cut somebody? Andmy response was yeah. And then I
said downtown, which is interesting becauseI'll tell Youtica is in downtown Utica.
I think I had said where didwhere did he cut somebody? Or something
like that, and you said downtownor something? Maybe right? Yeah,

(47:55):
I don't know. Maybe I'm Ididn't go back and listen to it,
so I could be miss remembering.I'm not sure, but it was a
weird little exchange. It was weird. Yeah, And then I said my
finger stings and you were like yourfinger stings or stinks where you put in
your finger. Yeah. Yeah,Before that, I said, and then
what did you say? You saidsomething really funny. After that, I

(48:16):
thought, I already told you.That's what. I don't have any idea
what that means. But then therewas a lot of you know, like
I said before, like you whenyou do the ess method, a lot
of it like may not make anysense and everything. And if the theory
behind using a spirit box is thatthe spirit is using you as the vessel
to communicate with what is coming throughthe radio and everything. They could be

(48:38):
talking to somebody else, they couldn't. They might not even know what's going
on and everything like that. Imean, my take on it, there
could be several things happening. Yeah. One is if you're skeptical, and
I sometimes think this is what's happening. Is you already know where you are,

(48:59):
You already know the story. Sonow you're doing this and you're picking
out what you want to hear,and so I can totally understand that.
Yes, I think it would bereally cool to go to a place that
you don't know anything and do itand then to talk to somebody who knows
the history about it and be like, does this match up to anything?
I think the second thing is thatit could be spirits using what is available

(49:21):
for them on the radio to piecetogether to make information come through that way.
Another is they're just using the radiofrequency to use it to use their
own voice, which I can tellyou I have heard voices in my ear
from that at the manger that wasnot coming from the radio. So that

(49:42):
was the first time that ever happened. That also the only time it ever
happened. It happened a few timesat the Manger, and I thought it
was really weird and that King ranchroomis known for without a spa box,
having things whisper in your ear.But also we knew that. Did we
know that going in? I thinkwe found that out afterwards, act after
we found that afterwards, we actuallydid not know that when that happened.

(50:04):
And then the security guard or whatevertold us, and I was like,
oh my gosh, that's exactly whathappened. So that's different things that can
be going on. But I mean, it's, like I said, it's
an interesting experiment. I would liketo use it on a place that I
don't know any information about and seeit we can match it up. At
the end of the ESTES meant thatI said two things. I said,

(50:24):
stand among us and have a party. After I said have a party,
I kind of turned and looked towardsthe computer where Metro was on zoom,
and I gave her a really weirdlook. And that's because, like I
said, have a party, andit felt like there was like something like
going on, like like behind me, like you know, and I was

(50:47):
against a wall and everything, butit felt like I could feel something behind
me. And I don't know ifthat was my own mind playing tricks on
me or whatever it was. Eitherway, I love the estest method and
going through it and hearing what itis. I hate the one who's under
and not being able to hear aroundme. I honestly, I prefer to

(51:09):
be the one under. I feellike I kind of get in the zone
and it's almost like a meditation andyou just after like it takes a while
to get to that meditative state andthen it just kind of starts flowing.
I think, you know what Imean. Yeah, I don't know I
just don't like it. I justlike I can't tell what's going on around
me that the noise canceling headphones areon, and it's just messing. That's

(51:31):
the whole point. I know.I don't like it. Part I like
being the one asking the questions.That's it's funny because I have to say,
I think you yeah, channel orwhatever we want to call it,
better than I do. Like inthat spirit box, I think you get
more like chain of words together,and I feel like I don't because honestly,

(51:54):
I don't think my hearing is thatgood. And I hear things and
I don't know what to make ofit, so I can't say I don't
say anything. Things are coming through, but I'm like, I can't.
I don't know what it said,and I can't make it out right right.
So after that, the next placeI went was like I was saying
before, we went up to theseforbidden floors. According to they're just the

(52:16):
storage floors where they keep things likeextra tables and old chandeliers and Christmas decorations
and things of that nature and everythinglike that. The two top floors,
the twelve and fourteen, were theones that we went to. We didn't
go on to ten or eleven becausemostly because they said that they don't really

(52:39):
do anything there. The other floorswere the ones that they wanted us on
and the ones that they wanted usand that we were interested in. This
was late at night and I endedup going up there with with Yasco and
Ben and we were wandering around.You know, I had my I had

(52:59):
my digital recorder out and I wastrying to pick up EVPs and everything.
I didn't get anything but one veryvery odd noise and I'll play that for
you now. I just take aseeming what what was that you gotten on

(53:19):
kit? That was really yeah,amazing, So that noise was really weird
to hear and everything like that.Besides that noise, we also heard whistling,
which was really weird. I didn'tpick up on my digital recorder like
I thought it was going to,but we could hear it when we were
walking around. It was like solike we'd be on one side and the

(53:42):
whistling would be from the other side, almost like there was like something trying
to get our attention. It wasreally peculiar, and it was dark.
There was no electricity up there.It was pitch black. There's no lights
or anything except for the flashlights thatwe had. So we heard that there
was also some tapping going on,but I think I debunked that myself because

(54:04):
there's also like a whole lot ofh vactor. It wasn't codatory up there,
man was. Yeah, they werewere hiding, they were holding hands,
and everything started tapping. Yeah,So what happened was we kept hearing
this tapping, and you know,you Asko and Ben were asking questions and
the tapping would happen and everything,and their eyes were lighting up because they're
like, oh my god, thisis so exciting because they are the two

(54:27):
of them are not new to YouTube, but they are new ish to paranormal
stuff. They've only been doing itfor about a year or so, like,
not not much longer than that.So I was kind of teaching them
some of the techniques that we usewhen we're out investigating and stuff like that,
and trying to kind of explain tothem how how we do things and

(54:49):
everything. And Jasco was super niceat the end of it. He said
that he learned a lot from meand he was going to incorporate that into
like some of his investigations when hegoes out now because he that it was
really informative and everything, so goodfor him. If he uses some of
it, that's great. If hedoesn't like whatever, I don't, it
doesn't matter to me. But thetapping was coming from like a visible like

(55:12):
air duct that I could see,and when you went over to it,
you could feel the air and likeit felt like there was just something metal
like tinging around in there. AndI was like, guys, I think
it's this. So I think thatwas pretty debunked. But the weird noise
that you heard that was that wasinteresting. That was weird. I don't
know what it was like. Ican't tell, like if it was a

(55:34):
disembodied voice, if it was uh, I don't know. It was very
odd. But there was some footstepswe were hearing, like somebody was like
dragging their feet and stuff when weweren't around and everything like that. And
the three of us are together,so the three of us are not doing
anything there. Now, I willsay that I didn't experience a lot of

(55:58):
what Yaska portrayed in his YouTube videoand everything, and I realized that a
lot of what he's doing is alsofor entertainment value and stuff like that too.
But I'll tell you, like,my night was a lot quieter than
the night that he portrayed there.I slept like a baby. I slept
super quiet, and I slept supersuper well. So I think, you
know, just take his video forwhat it is and take it with a

(56:21):
grain of salt, because I donot think that I had the same experience
that he had while I was there. So yeah, that's all. That's
all I will say on that.I'd a surprised to see some of the
stuff that came out and everything likethat. Like I said, they were
both really really nice guys. Theywere both really cool and everything, and

(56:44):
I'm thankful that I got to meetthem because they don't get to meet a
lot of paranormal content creators that arefrom New York, which is you know,
interesting. But and I'll just throwthis out there, Yeah, he
stayed at the place that we talkedabout in our last video of the House
Hunters that we had a real hardtime with this lady who was selling her

(57:08):
house. But it was also anAirbnb Yep, it was a haunted Airbnb,
yes, and we had a realbad experience with her. He also
had a very bad experience with thiswoman as one worse worse than us,
yes, worse than us, worsethan us, and not you know,
if he ever, which actually Imean, I'm sorry they had a bad
experience, but also confirmed that itwas her not us, because we're like,

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you know, because sometimes you think, I'm like, are we just
being too harsh? Is it us? Are we judging this person wrong?
But when he came to the sameconclusions and he had worse stories that happened,
and we're like, oh my god, bej like, can you believe
he stayed there too? Do youtell me all about it? I was
like, oh man, you couldn'tbelieve it. So felt vindicated on that

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one. That one definitely felt vindicatedvindicated. So well, all can say
is that I hope you ask Goand Ben use a little bit of my
investigation technique on their next little adventurethat they go on. I know that
they've already done several since this,and their video is up and everything like
that. But like I said,our experiences, I think we're a little

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bit different. And again, he'sdoing things for entertainment value and I was
doing things We're not that. SoI'm sorry if our stuff is boring,
But that's just how it is.That's how we are. You know,
we're not We're not trying to makeit exciting, Like that's just how it
is. What was exciting was thecat ball going off twice. That was
exciting. It is cool. Thatis cool to see the catball. We've

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only had it happen a few times. And yeah, man, and well,
we went to a place in Albanythat we're going to discuss in a
few shows from now, and weput that cat ball in a dark room.
I wanted it to go off wouldnot go off, and I'm like,
I just want to see it lightup in a dark room, like
I want to witness it actually happening. I have like besides, honestly,

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like I think it going off likelive on when we're doing our show,
Like that was the coolest thing thatI could have gotten recorded. I mean,
because I've had it go off beforeand I'm like not recording. Yeah,
and but for that to happen,that was a cool thing. But
I wanted it to go off sobad. During that investigation in a dark

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room, I was like scared butalso excited, like if it goes off,
I'm gonna be freaking freaked out.But also it's gonna be the coolest
thing ever. Yeah, but no, well that's that's pretty much it.
That was pretty much what went onat the hotel you to go. I
went to bed after after all thatstuff on the abandoned floors with those two
and slept really well, really solid. Nothing felt evil or anything like that.

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It was all good. No,it was great. Actually, I
slept so comfortably that night, itwas amazing. So I did not feel
anything evil. I didn't think anyfeel anything bad or anything like that.
I felt relaxed. So don't beafraid of the Hotel Udica. Guy.
It may be haunted, but Ithink that it's a totally fine place for
you to go to. And againit's gorgeous. It's beautiful, so make

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