May 19, 2023 • 35 mins
In our final episode of season 11, Aalia is joined by Johannes Bhakdi, the Founder and CEO of Quantgene. Jo brings his expertise in the biotech industry as they discuss the use of AI and genomics in preventative healthcare, to aid in the early detection and prevention of diseases. They also talk about the role emotional intelligence plays in the industry. Jo highlights the potential of genomics and AI in developing personalized treatment plans and bridging gaps in healthcare access. He also shares Quatgene's goals to make preventative care more accessible to all, and extend the healthy human lifespan by a decade within the next decade. Like, comment, and subscribe! Stay connected with your host on IG: @aalia_unsugarcoated Stay connected to our guest: @quantgene UNSUGARCOATED™ Media is a 501c3 media enterprise, using podcasts, print publications, short documentaries, and more to tell stories of empowerment in the face of adversity and trauma. For more information on our goals, content, and sponsorship opportunities, please visit our website.
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From Ubian Studios. You're listening toUnsugarcoated with Aliya bringing you interviews with public
figures and inspirational people speaking on selfimprovement with empowering themes, and I'm your
host, ali Elaneus. Hello,Hello, and welcome to another episode of
your favorite social good talk show.We are so happy to be back with
you. And you know what,well happy in a little said, I
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cannot lie because today's episode is theseason finale of season eleven. We are
so grateful for all the people thathave joined us thus far in their conversations,
in the value that they've brought.And I hope that you've been inspired
and served through the conversations that we'vehad, all in an effort to promote
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emotional intelligence to you all so thatyou can serve yourself, your family,
your community. And today's conversation isgoing to be talking a bit about preventative
healthcare. And I'm excited that ourguest is here to talk about AI gene
and what preventative healthcare means in thisday and age. Why is this a
topic that matters to me? Well, for many of you who know me
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and have been with me on myjourney, you know, that I'm here
largely because of preventative health. Myearly detection of cancer genuinely saved well.
I don't like to say saved mylife necessarily, because nobody's getting out of
this alive, right. We allhave a date in which this body transitions
to another form of energy. Iknow that, but I want to get
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as much as I can out ofthis one. And being a person who
learned early to advocate for myself inthe healthcare system and understand the challenges and
the way in the excuses that Iwas not going to use or lean on,
That's why I'm still here and wasable to get treatment that not only
keeps me here but makes the qualityof my life better. Right, Because
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as I always say, you know, people always tell me life is short,
and I say, yes, itis, but it's terribly long when
you're miserable. And if you've everstruggled with a major health condition, you
know that it can be quite difficult. So how do we avoid that?
And in the conversation of emotional intelligence, I want to say, it's an
exciting time to be alive. Wehave witnessed unprecedented advancements in science and technology
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that have the power to revolutionize healthcareas we know it, and the reason
why that's connected to emotional intelligence isbecause you need to be aware of the
things that help make you better forsociety right. One of the most promising
areas of research is in the fieldof genomics, which holds immense potential for
early detection and prevention of diseases.With the help of AI, we can
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analyze vast amounts of genetic data andidentify potential health risks before they manifest into
serious illnesses. By taking proactive measures, we can work towards a healthier future
for ourselves and our loved ones.But it's not just about early detection.
AI can also help us develop morepersonalized treatment plans based on individual genetic profiles.
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With the deeper understanding of our uniquegenetic makeup, we can create targeting
interventions that are more effective and lessinvasive. I'm going to tell you I've
seen this in the cancer community extensivelyin ways that would blow your mind.
But perhaps the most inspiring aspect ofthis work is the potential for social good.
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By democratizing access to genetic testing andaipowered healthcare solutions, we can empower
communities around the world to take chargeof their own health and well being.
This technology has the power to bridgegaps in healthcare access and improve outcomes for
populations that have historically been underserved.So let's embrace this exciting time of innovation
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and discovery and work together towards afuture where everyone has access to the tools
they need to live their healthiest,happiest lives. Together, we can build
a world where technology and science areused for the greater good of all.
And our guest today is leading onecompany on their journey, and he is
here to talk about that, solet's get him on. Johannes Bakti is
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the founder of CEO and quant Gene, with the mission to extend the healthy
human lifespan by a decade within adecade. Together with quant Gene's team of
scientists and engineers, he is dedicatedto introducing cloud AI and precision diagnostics into
the standard of care to enhance qualityand accessibility of care for everyone and protect
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human life. Born to scientists parents, Joe grew up with a backdrop of
medical research before earning a master's ineconomics from Tubingen University, one of Germany's
leading academic institutions. Prior to quantGen. Joe held executive positions at BDDO
and Omnicom with a focus on businessmodel, innovation, and technology, then
founded i to x, an investmentplatform that provides quantitive analytics tools for biotechnology
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and technology portfolios. Such an incredibleperson. We're so happy to be here.
Everybody, please welcome Joe Backdy,Hello, Hello, Hello, how
are you? Thank you for beinghere today, Hilena, Well, I'm
great, Thanks for having me.Are you enjoying the rain? I know
it's a rainy day today, it'svery It's always good to have some surprises,
Cla. So it's very Germany,right, Yeah, it reminds me
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on home. So let me askI mean, first of all, I
have to say this for the audience, and I actually have to say this
for yourself when it came to invitingyou onto the show. I recently attended
an event that Quantin helped and somethingthat you said struck me. And I
want you to know that. AndI know we always talk about you know,
our words leave impressions on people.So in the presentation that you were
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you were giving, you were talkingabout an amazing product that that Quantin is
rolling out, and you said,this is for you know, you were
speaking and you said, this isfor every citizen, and then you corrected
yourself, you said, this isfor every person. This is not about
the rich people who always get everything. This is about everybody having an opportunity
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at preventative health. What drives youas in this day, after everything that
you've done, what drives you rightnow in your mission behind founding and running
Quantity Gain. Yeah, that's anamazing question. I think what we're facing
right now is a very very unprecedentedlevel of revolutionary potential in medicine. I
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think what genomics does, in conjunctionwith new hardware, chemistry, but also
AI and cloud innovation, is somuch bigger than most people even can imagine
right now. It's truly the deepest, most fundamental transformation of medicine that we
have seen in a very very longtime, maybe since it's an inception of
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modern medicine. And the reason isthat suddenly we have literally millions of times
more data on your health. Andwhen I say millions of times, that's
not a matter of what's quantitative.When we get a blood sample and we
do multi cancer detection liquid biopsy,it's a very new technology. We get
ten billion data points out of eachsample. So the technology is here to
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detect all cancers at early stage.The remaining problem now is economics. It's
too expensive. But when I saytoo expensive, I mean if you can
afford three thousand dollars a year outof pocket, you're done right. You
have that technology under control. Takesanother twenty four months or something to really
be near perfect, but it's alreadypretty effective. I think a very good
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strategy how we look at the costcurve and the adoption curve. How can
we accelerate the advent of universal precisiongenomics for everyone. The end, it's
about resources, right. You needto get it to people, and in
order to make Medicare, Medicaid evencommercial payers pay for this, it needs
to drop below a certain threshold.We have now this unique opportunity to take
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these new genomic technologies in conjunction withair in cloud and figure out the leaner's
path to really scale them, getadoption and bring this genomic age to every
one. Cancer is one of thebiggest scares, and my family is affect
that most families are affected. Thatyou can have and imagine that it's gone,
It's gone from the equation because youcan be sure that every year you
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get a genomics test that identifies activetumors in you so early that you can
nearly always knock them out and becancer free. That's the future that is
guaranteed to come. The questions isit here in twenty years, is it
here next year? Or we arein between? Right, and that question
is not a technological question anymore.That is a question of how smart are
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we as we as quantine, asa community, we as a society to
find the leaner's economic path right Right. When it comes to preventative health,
there's a lot of excuses. Youmentioned, one being finances. I don't
have the money to go to thedoctor. You know, as the leader
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of this organization in some of multipledifferent products. I mean obviously you know
with the background, you can goon the website and look at you know,
during COVID there were things that youwere able to come in and support
different industries get quicker lab results andthings. And then you also have products
that started to help people determine futurepotential risks factors. Right, maybe I
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am highly considered for diabetes or heartconditions or cancer outside of cost, What
have you observed to be some ofthe biggest resistant factors for people to even
going and you know, following throughwith their preventative healthcare. Outside of cost,
what are some of the other excusesthat they lean on. One piece
of the pazzas Okay, you needto take more responsibility for your own health
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and your family's health and be proactive. But on the other side, someone
smart I forgot who it was,said that civilization is just the establishment of
infrastructures that make it superflusa unnecessary foryou to do certain things because they're automated.
That's all, is sure. Basicallythe cavemen were the same people as
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we are, but they didn't haveall that stuff, right, and so
the only difference is now we haveautomated stuff and in preventive care. That's
the mission of quantin two, besidesthe cost curve, to make it seamless,
like it should just be automated.It should be your body on the
phone that says Elena, by theway, you should get your mamogram now
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because you're a little late, oror your blood cancer it has, whatever
it is, And that's really missingunfortunately, right, And that's kind of
a weird thing because that's not evenhard technology. Right. It's not super
easy. It's a little harder thanit sounds. But it's also not deep
genomics, right, Like, whycan't we have reminders in a seamless way
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that help you not fall through thecracks? And to give you an idea,
like ninety two percent of all Americansdon't get the preventive care they need
right according to guidelines. That's whywe're having this conversation because they're not and
why do they need to so badly? Very simple? So what we just
discussed write the future of medicine andgenomics. This is kind of the future
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in the sense that we can giveit to you now, but it's not
officially guideline encoded. Most physicians don'teven fully know that. When they look
at the data, they get it, but it's not implemented in guidelines.
But there are things that are implementedin guidelines. Get your A one C
tests right, get your lipid panelsfor a cardiovascular get your cancer screenings,
get them in certain increments, timeincrements. That is all fully understood.
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It's understood in a way that protectsyour life. It's understood in a way
that saves money to the system.There's no downside, there's only upside.
Yet only Americans don't get that,right, And it's very important because this
is the simplest, easiest, andmost proven way to protect your life.
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Right. You can literally translate thatto a percentage number how much additional risk
of death you take on per year. I mean, it's the most unnecessary
thing you can do. It reallyis smoking or driving without a seatbed.
Its just its troven to not besmart in a time when longevity is a
thing. Right. I remember lastyear reading an article that lifespans had increased
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right over time studies of stone.We were living longer because of things like
yoga and emotional intelligence and advancements inhealth and wellness. But now since the
pandemic, and you know, andI'm not actually quoting the studies, so
just anyone who's out there, youknow, banking on this now that I
had to, But at the endof the day, the study was indicating
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that now since the pandemic, we'reseeing a reversal in those numbers. Right,
So I'm assuming you know what I'mspeaking to. So, with longevity
being an issue and people wanting theirselvesand their moms and their dads to live
longer lives I see and value.How you really want to impact those communities.
Tell me how does a company approachaddressing health disparities and ensuring that underserved
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communities have access to these life savingtechnologies. I think in addressing this problem,
you have like three key levels andthis is all connected. Number one,
we have kind of two arms tothe company. One is pushing the
frontiers of medicine by bringing self payerthe more premium price services to you,
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where we basically say you can havean accelerated access if you to the future,
because we don't have to figure outbefore we give it to you complicated
things with Medicare and with Blue Shieldand United Healthcare and everyone to figure out
how we exactly save money. Wecan say, well, let's save your
life first, you pay a littlemore and you get it now. That
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is very important because that helps usto understand the exact economics that then need
to be argued into the system atthe same time. So this is very
important because if you don't do that, it's like Tesla. If Tesla doesn't
build a car for wealthy people first, they will never build a car for
everyone, because that helps them tounderstand what's going on to streamline manufacturing.
It's not just when we talk abouthealth access. We often think about,
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oh, we need to be betterpeople, not be so greedy ABC.
That's not really how it works,right. You need to the key and
that's the second piece to the puzzleis innovation. If you don't innovate,
no one can afford rolling out agiant system that bankrupts the United States.
That's not beneficial for anyone. Sowe need to figure out how to do
it. It's about being pioneers andbuilding these systems. So you start here
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with more wealthy people who can helpfinance figuring that out while at the same
time we're driving innovation would bring downthe cost curve. And then as a
third point, have the will andthe motivation. That's where the last thing
comes in to actually plan that outas a system that needs to get to
everyone in the shortest amount of time. And I think all three im you
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need to push the frontier. Youneed to understand that there's only one solution
that brings equity to everyone. It'snot politics. That's innovation. Because if
you can't make it happen, youknow, right, you can complain all
day it's not going to walk,so that's important. But the third piece
is the will and the intent toactually make this happen right, which is
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unfortunately behind the scenes in healthcare,often missing too much about there. The
greed comes in a little bit.It's about the who cares like I want
to make a lot of money.That's the wrong attitude. And you need
to combine economic soundness with the abilityto innovate and the will to drive it
to a point where this becomes basicallyaccessible and free for everyone. Absolutely absolutely,
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I could not agree more. AndI think that you know, you
hit on something in you reminded meof I thought I had had earlier about
how, you know, pharmaceutical companiesare on everybody's you know, part of
my French you know, I'll spellit out, shi T list everybody.
They're on that list, right,they're on the we do not like you
list. You're you know, overcharging. And again, going back to what
I loved about hearing you speak andhearing the message that you champion is that
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yes, you know, if youare the person who can afford you know
this, that's great, But westill want to create a model that allows
everyone, the people to get it, and which is a show of integrity
because the pharmaceuticals they're trying they wantyou to get sick. Well that's the
theory, I should say. Youknow. The theory is they want you
to get sick. I know I'mnot gonna they want you to get sick
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because they want to milk you onthe back end for the cost of staying
getting better. So six society makesa wealthy pharmaceutical company or industry, and
what you're doing is literally trying tocut in front of that. You're you're
not saying, yeah, I wantto make you spend a lot of money,
and you just say no, spendsome money to actually not have to
have some hopefully have some of thosehealthcare issues down the runt or down the
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line. And I completely appreciate that. Can you talk about some of the
key milestones that have been achieved thusfar in advancing the goal of early detection
and more effective cures for all diseases? Absolutely, so, we have we
had some very important breakthroughs us andour peers. I always hate to talk
about competition in this space because we'reall trying to do the same thing right,
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So we're always grateful for any competitorwho is first, right, because
this is about first of all,even economically, we all benefit from advancing
the field. But also, youknow, I think it's terrible in healthcare
when you say, who I havethis drug, this person has the other
drug. Let's try to find outhow we prevent patients from getting that drugs
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so they have to take hours.I mean, that's exactly what we should
avoid, right, to not getinto that. And we had great breakthroughs
in twenty eighteen where we showed thisworks multi cancer detection in the blood.
We had a paper out then backthen and it's very clear, Okay,
this is the breakthrough, this isworking, and then other people also came
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out so clear the industry in twentyeighteen was at the point where it becomes,
without any doubt, you will betake cancer in the blood early stage
across all cancers. And then itwas just a question, okay, how
long does it take to bring downsome costs, improved some performance going to
the AI aspect in that in thevein of what you're talking about. Sometimes
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people can go to a doctor andthey can say, well, you know,
my mom had calling cancer or breastcancer. Actually I'm going to cite
a very specific case that I knowof a friend of mine who is a
fellow cancer survivor. Her mother passedaway from calling cancer and at an early
age, unfortunately, and she wentto the doctor about twenty five years old
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and she says, my mother hadpassed away from calling cancer. Should I
be screened? And the doctor madehis determination, no, you should wait
five years. She went she gota second opinion and that doctor said absolutely
not. You need to have acolonoscopy. When she came back from woke
up from the colonoscopy, the doctortold her, if you would have waited
those five years that that initial doctortold you, you would have already been
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dead, like you would you hadso many polyps and she had suddenly had
to go through treatment. So whileI'm saying this AI and the technology that
you are behind, it kind oftakes out this personal aspect that physicians can
sometimes do. And I'm not baggingon physicians, but they're not superhumans,
right, They've gone to school,but there's a like there were very complex
individuals and a lot of time whatthey can dismiss, unfortunately, can impact
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our lives. So the technology withthe AI, you know, and explain
that a little bit more. Howthat removes the you know what I'm going
to say, emotionally unintelligent aspect ofwhat physicians in human life lag. How
does that reinforce or how does thatprotect us and give us an advantage when
it comes to preventative healthcare. Probablyour favorite topic is that. So first
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of all, when it comes toAI, I always like to rephrase it
to MI medical intelligence. Okay,because the one as if it's artificial.
You want a system that is fullproof and knows everything however it does it.
There might be neural nets, machinelearning. There might be also hard
coded algorithms, so there might behybrid human things. So you need to
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see intelligence as the objective, notlike one specific type. But it needs
to be cloud centric and centralizing.So here's the problem. First of all,
there is no such thing as magic. Like physicians are humans. Humans
have eyes, they have ears,They have a brain. They see something,
they query their brain what it meanstheir brain is knows something. You
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don't know what they know. Youdon't know when they went to med school.
You don't know how much they read. You don't actually want that in
the future. You want a fullproof system that knows thousands or millions of
times more than a physician. Ithas to be like that. And you
know, believe me. We workwith a lot of physicians and have many
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physicians on the team, and Ilove them all and they help these systems.
They think the same as I do. Here. It's very simple.
You need to maximize data input intothe machine, into the system. This
system needs to have all knowledge atall times in real time, and the
system has to draw the right conclusionsbefore we even determine what the system is.
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That is. That's the goal,and the good news is we can
get infinitely closer now to that systemthan in individual physician. If you work
with us, you actually work withphysicians, but we have a much more
systematic intake of data. This datais fed into the core intelligence. The
qualitition is in the cloud. It'sconnected to all medical knowledge, all guidelines.
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It's updated in real time, sowe will know exactly what's appropriate at
what point. I shouldn't say exactly, We just know much more and then
we determine they are a bunch ofred flags. Okay, potential family or
proven family history for a qualon cancer? How bad is it? What guidelines
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change? Is implied. What otherdata points, so we have to we
have genetics on that person, thenwhat are the downstream recommended diagnostics that are
best for the patient. So quoscopyof course good standard. If it's a
little more unclear, maybe blood cancertests much easier, maybe a fit test,
write a stool test much easier.So you can then do that and
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that is That's how the future ofmedicine looks like, and that's what we
deliver today. We hope soon atlower prices, but that's what's happening now,
and that's so it makes a difference. I'm one of the previous businesses
I've owned. I'm sure my audienceslove listening to my backgrounds, but I
was actually one of the implementation advisorsfor the California medic Or view Board,
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a project called the Doctor's Office initiallyDocket Doctor's Office Quality Initiative. It and
our role for California being the largestday with the most doctors, and then
continuing from that being an example tothe rest of the unit the States was
on you know, information technology,even just that we're not even talking about,
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you know, what we would peopleperceive as the m I and the
AI models, but just but yes, but still medical intelligence data because data
is king. I love that youkeep talking about data. I'm not bored.
Because it makes a different You haveto pay attention to that. But
it was such a challenge to getpeople to understand at times the benefit like
a client or patient going into anencounter and then maybe the doctor recommends a
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prescription, but they don't know there'sa cross counter of another physician's doctor's medicine
that they've been prescribed. And thewhole reason for that intelligence is to prevent
that, you know, that mistake, that error. Also to another point
that is connected to us, tellme. It's a direct message to the
audience. Yes, please. Iknow we all have this instinct, especially
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in medicine, because we feel sovulnerable by definition, right, That's how
we can get sick, that's howwe can die. And the instinct is
the more terrible instinct that all ofus have. It's to give up responsibility
to say like I don't even ohmy god, I can't deal with it.
Please doctor take care of me.That's how you get killed, not
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just a medicine, but in general, the more important things are, the
less you can bury your head inthe sand. And we work in three
different verdict as. We work withresearch right, we work with payer provider
systems to try to convince the systemsto implement it, and we work with
kind of self payer concierge. Andmy message is always, if you can
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afford it, First of all,you should try to afford it. If
you can afford it, get outof that system and pay for your own
health and make your own decisions becausewe are doing our best, believe me
to make it all in the system. But the obstacles and the ridiculous thing
from your perspective. Who wants tonot die? Right, who wants to
be safe to rely on us havingnegotiations with Medicare and Blue Shield and Anthem
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and all these people who are allgood people, but they have to ask
their bosses, they have to asktheir investors. Then they have to go
back to the system. Their committeesand committees and committees say, oh,
but this costs six hundred bucks,absolutely unacceptable. Bring the price down to
three hundred and sixty nine, andwe can roll it out over this cross
section of the population. Right.You, if you are sitting here in
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LA and say like I'm scared ofcancer, I might have. Do not
wait fifteen years to have them figureout how to decrease the price from six
fifty to four hundred eighty nine.Right, that's not a good decision.
So that's just my message and toyour point. Also, you as a
patient when it comes to data,own your data and find systems where you
are the captain of your health.And physicians should be advisors and nothing else.
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Yes, that's what I always tellthem. Your lawyer, your financial
advisor, your physician might be themost important people, but they all have
the same role. They need toadvise you. You don't want a financial
advisor who takes over your finances andsay you know what, don't worry,
I manage this stuff. You don'tneed to know what that is, right,
agree, I always say, tryto not die and not go to
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jail and not lose all your money. Then you're pretty good. And these
are the three institutions. Same withthe lawyers. Right, listen to them,
form your opinion, try to understandwhat's going on, and most importantly
in medicine. And I think ifI have one message, please everyone,
seize control of your health, startingwith yourself, and find the right advisors
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and systems to do that for you? Yes, yes, and I love
that message. I think this isa quote from your side. Our vision
actually from you, excuse me.Our vision is what I call ten and
ten to extend the healthy human lifespanby a decade within the next decade by
accelerating the advent of precision genomics foreveryone. So, looking ahead future of
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preventative healthcare and genomic analysis, whatdoes that look like to you and where
do you see yourself coming in?I think the future is very clear outlined
right. We have now the systemskind of price competitively ready to roll out
precision genomics impreventative care, which meansa blood test and some basic tests once
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a year starting with forty probably dependingon your risk profile, and we can
detect all cancers early stage in theblood because not every single cancer all the
time, but at a very goodrate. That is the system we need
to roll out. That it isconnected to medical intelligence, so we understand
what it means in your personalized contextand draw the right conclusions. Now we
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have a solution that's ready. It'sall about how can we increase adoption.
The higher the adoption, the lowerthe price. And you know, for
me, this really becomes a differentproblem. It's not science and medicine anymore.
That has all been solved. Itis about economy. But maybe more
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interestingly, it's about us as acommunity. Can we find enough people who
get it, who want to getit, who think about their health,
who are not burying their heads inthe sands, say well, I don't
have cancer right now, why wouldI care. The whole point is you
should care so it doesn't happen more. If it happens, it happens early,
and you can do something so themore so it becomes a I don't
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know, like it becomes a problemof can we be good stewards of this
mission go out in the world andtry to explain it to people and try
to build this tribe the tribe ofpeople say I care for myself, but
I also care for my family,and I care for us being these pioneers
who can bring that to everyone byjust using it. Yes, Yes,
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I mean that honestly, that isso important. That is so key.
I you know, I kind ofwant to ask the question to some and
like, you know, people peopleget up every day and they love what
they do. Do you love whatyou do? Right now? Because of
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the impact, Like you know,I know I said early on what drives
you? But every day when you'regetting up as the CEO of Quantine and
you see the future and you seewhat's happening, and you know that you
are creating this social good, likejust taking a second to talk about how
it personally impacts you, can youshare that with us? Yeah? Absolutely,
I think. I mean, ittook me a long way to get
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here, even to start quantin,but I'm incredibly kind of grateful that fate
got me here because in a way, even though it's not easy sometimes you
know, you always have money,you need to talk to investors seldom,
people have problems you get you know, into they are all kinds of issues
when you run a company. Butthe the ability of you know, my
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like the possibility that I have beengiven to actually do something about this with
a great, amazing team that reallybuilt something that didn't exist before, and
now the opportunity to talk really toeveryone. We just had a conversation with
the former Secretary of Health and HumanServices, so everyone from the top in
healthcare too, amazing people like youright who push the frontier in unhook our
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code everything and concierge dogs very smartand like it's just like this feeling that
we can do something about such animportant topic that we are not passively just
sitting. There's like, oh mygod, I hope I don't get cancer.
We will die of another disease.It's just the best thing ever,
and that's it's not easy, butit's like an incredibly gratifying journey, and
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I hope we can take it tothe next level now to really build a
community around it. I know thatyou are. I've seen it, I've
experienced it, and I'm happy foryou. I mean, you know,
you've shared your message, you've sharedyour heart. I do want to thank
you for that. And you know, with regards to just I mean,
we're going to still do a coupleof rapid fire questions for you. But
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you know, for people who areinterested in supporting quant Gene, following along
or even adopting some of the amazingprojects that you have coming out, where
do they go? So, firstof all, I'm more than happy.
You know, you can always writeus emails directly at even to me JB
at Quantine dot com. I loveto hear from people back, like what
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do you think? Right, I'mreally trying to be at the pulse.
So I will love at this pointyou think, oh, such a You
know, you have all this genomicstechnology and all these labs and you're the
CEO. I think you should notbe. I love getting direct feedback from
people because you never know, right. Just write me and tell me what
you think. I think it's Ilove it. Then you can go to
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Quantine dot com. That's the basicwebsite, and to choose Serenity dot com
where the Serenity product is yes andyeah. I can just encourage everyone just
reached out. Our mission now isto build the community because that's what we
learned throughout the whole journey, fromclinical research projects to talking to pay us
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and provide us to launching the conciergeside of things. You know, we
have to do this together and wehave to be a community, like this
is more than just a business.This is something that can save your life,
my life. And the technology ishere, so we need to do
something about it. Because all thehard things in a way have been solved.
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Maybe the hardest hasn't been solved yet, which is building the community and
really getting people excited about it.Adopted, help more adoption, bring down
pricing, get it to everyone rightand remove those excuses exactly. We lean
on right because I mean I getit. I will say, you know,
my mother and law were talking aboutthat the other day. It being
sick can kind of be like apart time job. You do have to
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go part time full time, Yeah, depending on what level you are.
And and I think you're right.And I just love what quant gene and
what yourself and what fred I knowover and you know what all of you
guys are doing your entire team,because I agree with you. I mean,
it is about taking a proactive role. Even with my own journey,
I just recognized im. I evenremember having a doctor one time say well,
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you know, we'll wait and see. And I, with all due
respect doctor, I'm the one who'sgot to go home and kiss my kids
at night. I'm not going totrust wait and see. We have technology
available, so let's use it rightso that I can make sure I appreciate
you and I look forward to seeingyou again. Thank you. It's a
pleasure. Thank you guys, andto you at home. Well, let's
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see that not just wraps up anotherseason. I mean, excuse me,
and that doesn't just wrap up ouranother episode that actually wraps up the end
of our season. So we've talkedabout emotional help. We've had incredible guests.
As I've said, I I'm remindedof the incredible power of human innovation
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and collaboration by our conversation today.Today we explored the intersection of AI,
genomics and preventive health and saw howthose fields have the potential to sform healthcare
for the better. As we moveforward, Let's continue to push the boundaries
of what's possible and work towards aworld where healthcare is accessible, equitable,
and effective. Let's build bridges acrossdisciplines and communities and harness the power of
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technology for the greater good of all. But it's not just about technology and
data. It's about people. It'sabout empowering individuals and communities to take charge
of their own health and wellbeing andworking together to create a brighter, healthier
future for all. This season hasbeen sprinkled with the components of emotional intelligence,
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empathies, self regulation, self awareness, motivation, and social skills.
And while I hope you have enjoyedthe season, I hope more than anything,
you're left wanting more for yourself,for your family, and for your
community. You are capable, youare worthy, and you better be unsugarcoated.
We love you, we appreciate you. Until next season. Thank you
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for letting us be unsugarcoated.
From Ubian Studios. You're listening toUnsugarcoated with Aliya bringing you interviews with public
figures and inspirational people speaking on selfimprovement with empowering themes, and I'm your
host, ali Elaneus. Hello,Hello, and welcome to another episode of
your favorite social good talk show.We are so happy to be back with
you. And you know what,well happy in a little said, I
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cannot lie because today's episode is theseason finale of season eleven. We are
so grateful for all the people thathave joined us thus far in their conversations,
in the value that they've brought.And I hope that you've been inspired
and served through the conversations that we'vehad, all in an effort to promote
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emotional intelligence to you all so thatyou can serve yourself, your family,
your community. And today's conversation isgoing to be talking a bit about preventative
healthcare. And I'm excited that ourguest is here to talk about AI gene
and what preventative healthcare means in thisday and age. Why is this a
topic that matters to me? Well, for many of you who know me
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and have been with me on myjourney, you know, that I'm here
largely because of preventative health. Myearly detection of cancer genuinely saved well.
I don't like to say saved mylife necessarily, because nobody's getting out of
this alive, right. We allhave a date in which this body transitions
to another form of energy. Iknow that, but I want to get
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as much as I can out ofthis one. And being a person who
learned early to advocate for myself inthe healthcare system and understand the challenges and
the way in the excuses that Iwas not going to use or lean on,
That's why I'm still here and wasable to get treatment that not only
keeps me here but makes the qualityof my life better. Right, Because
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as I always say, you know, people always tell me life is short,
and I say, yes, itis, but it's terribly long when
you're miserable. And if you've everstruggled with a major health condition, you
know that it can be quite difficult. So how do we avoid that?
And in the conversation of emotional intelligence, I want to say, it's an
exciting time to be alive. Wehave witnessed unprecedented advancements in science and technology
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that have the power to revolutionize healthcareas we know it, and the reason
why that's connected to emotional intelligence isbecause you need to be aware of the
things that help make you better forsociety right. One of the most promising
areas of research is in the fieldof genomics, which holds immense potential for
early detection and prevention of diseases.With the help of AI, we can
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analyze vast amounts of genetic data andidentify potential health risks before they manifest into
serious illnesses. By taking proactive measures, we can work towards a healthier future
for ourselves and our loved ones.But it's not just about early detection.
AI can also help us develop morepersonalized treatment plans based on individual genetic profiles.
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With the deeper understanding of our uniquegenetic makeup, we can create targeting
interventions that are more effective and lessinvasive. I'm going to tell you I've
seen this in the cancer community extensivelyin ways that would blow your mind.
But perhaps the most inspiring aspect ofthis work is the potential for social good.
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By democratizing access to genetic testing andaipowered healthcare solutions, we can empower
communities around the world to take chargeof their own health and well being.
This technology has the power to bridgegaps in healthcare access and improve outcomes for
populations that have historically been underserved.So let's embrace this exciting time of innovation
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and discovery and work together towards afuture where everyone has access to the tools
they need to live their healthiest,happiest lives. Together, we can build
a world where technology and science areused for the greater good of all.
And our guest today is leading onecompany on their journey, and he is
here to talk about that, solet's get him on. Johannes Bakti is
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the founder of CEO and quant Gene, with the mission to extend the healthy
human lifespan by a decade within adecade. Together with quant Gene's team of
scientists and engineers, he is dedicatedto introducing cloud AI and precision diagnostics into
the standard of care to enhance qualityand accessibility of care for everyone and protect
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human life. Born to scientists parents, Joe grew up with a backdrop of
medical research before earning a master's ineconomics from Tubingen University, one of Germany's
leading academic institutions. Prior to quantGen. Joe held executive positions at BDDO
and Omnicom with a focus on businessmodel, innovation, and technology, then
founded i to x, an investmentplatform that provides quantitive analytics tools for biotechnology
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and technology portfolios. Such an incredibleperson. We're so happy to be here.
Everybody, please welcome Joe Backdy,Hello, Hello, Hello, how
are you? Thank you for beinghere today, Hilena, Well, I'm
great, Thanks for having me.Are you enjoying the rain? I know
it's a rainy day today, it'svery It's always good to have some surprises,
Cla. So it's very Germany,right, Yeah, it reminds me
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on home. So let me askI mean, first of all, I
have to say this for the audience, and I actually have to say this
for yourself when it came to invitingyou onto the show. I recently attended
an event that Quantin helped and somethingthat you said struck me. And I
want you to know that. AndI know we always talk about you know,
our words leave impressions on people.So in the presentation that you were
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you were giving, you were talkingabout an amazing product that that Quantin is
rolling out, and you said,this is for you know, you were
speaking and you said, this isfor every citizen, and then you corrected
yourself, you said, this isfor every person. This is not about
the rich people who always get everything. This is about everybody having an opportunity
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at preventative health. What drives youas in this day, after everything that
you've done, what drives you rightnow in your mission behind founding and running
Quantity Gain. Yeah, that's anamazing question. I think what we're facing
right now is a very very unprecedentedlevel of revolutionary potential in medicine. I
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think what genomics does, in conjunctionwith new hardware, chemistry, but also
AI and cloud innovation, is somuch bigger than most people even can imagine
right now. It's truly the deepest, most fundamental transformation of medicine that we
have seen in a very very longtime, maybe since it's an inception of
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modern medicine. And the reason isthat suddenly we have literally millions of times
more data on your health. Andwhen I say millions of times, that's
not a matter of what's quantitative.When we get a blood sample and we
do multi cancer detection liquid biopsy,it's a very new technology. We get
ten billion data points out of eachsample. So the technology is here to
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detect all cancers at early stage.The remaining problem now is economics. It's
too expensive. But when I saytoo expensive, I mean if you can
afford three thousand dollars a year outof pocket, you're done right. You
have that technology under control. Takesanother twenty four months or something to really
be near perfect, but it's alreadypretty effective. I think a very good
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strategy how we look at the costcurve and the adoption curve. How can
we accelerate the advent of universal precisiongenomics for everyone. The end, it's
about resources, right. You needto get it to people, and in
order to make Medicare, Medicaid evencommercial payers pay for this, it needs
to drop below a certain threshold.We have now this unique opportunity to take
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these new genomic technologies in conjunction withair in cloud and figure out the leaner's
path to really scale them, getadoption and bring this genomic age to every
one. Cancer is one of thebiggest scares, and my family is affect
that most families are affected. Thatyou can have and imagine that it's gone,
It's gone from the equation because youcan be sure that every year you
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get a genomics test that identifies activetumors in you so early that you can
nearly always knock them out and becancer free. That's the future that is
guaranteed to come. The questions isit here in twenty years, is it
here next year? Or we arein between? Right, and that question
is not a technological question anymore.That is a question of how smart are
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we as we as quantine, asa community, we as a society to
find the leaner's economic path right Right. When it comes to preventative health,
there's a lot of excuses. Youmentioned, one being finances. I don't
have the money to go to thedoctor. You know, as the leader
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of this organization in some of multipledifferent products. I mean obviously you know
with the background, you can goon the website and look at you know,
during COVID there were things that youwere able to come in and support
different industries get quicker lab results andthings. And then you also have products
that started to help people determine futurepotential risks factors. Right, maybe I
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am highly considered for diabetes or heartconditions or cancer outside of cost, What
have you observed to be some ofthe biggest resistant factors for people to even
going and you know, following throughwith their preventative healthcare. Outside of cost,
what are some of the other excusesthat they lean on. One piece
of the pazzas Okay, you needto take more responsibility for your own health
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and your family's health and be proactive. But on the other side, someone
smart I forgot who it was,said that civilization is just the establishment of
infrastructures that make it superflusa unnecessary foryou to do certain things because they're automated.
That's all, is sure. Basicallythe cavemen were the same people as
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we are, but they didn't haveall that stuff, right, and so
the only difference is now we haveautomated stuff and in preventive care. That's
the mission of quantin two, besidesthe cost curve, to make it seamless,
like it should just be automated.It should be your body on the
phone that says Elena, by theway, you should get your mamogram now
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because you're a little late, oror your blood cancer it has, whatever
it is, And that's really missingunfortunately, right, And that's kind of
a weird thing because that's not evenhard technology. Right. It's not super
easy. It's a little harder thanit sounds. But it's also not deep
genomics, right, Like, whycan't we have reminders in a seamless way
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that help you not fall through thecracks? And to give you an idea,
like ninety two percent of all Americansdon't get the preventive care they need
right according to guidelines. That's whywe're having this conversation because they're not and
why do they need to so badly? Very simple? So what we just
discussed write the future of medicine andgenomics. This is kind of the future
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in the sense that we can giveit to you now, but it's not
officially guideline encoded. Most physicians don'teven fully know that. When they look
at the data, they get it, but it's not implemented in guidelines.
But there are things that are implementedin guidelines. Get your A one C
tests right, get your lipid panelsfor a cardiovascular get your cancer screenings,
get them in certain increments, timeincrements. That is all fully understood.
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It's understood in a way that protectsyour life. It's understood in a way
that saves money to the system.There's no downside, there's only upside.
Yet only Americans don't get that,right, And it's very important because this
is the simplest, easiest, andmost proven way to protect your life.
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Right. You can literally translate thatto a percentage number how much additional risk
of death you take on per year. I mean, it's the most unnecessary
thing you can do. It reallyis smoking or driving without a seatbed.
Its just its troven to not besmart in a time when longevity is a
thing. Right. I remember lastyear reading an article that lifespans had increased
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right over time studies of stone.We were living longer because of things like
yoga and emotional intelligence and advancements inhealth and wellness. But now since the
pandemic, and you know, andI'm not actually quoting the studies, so
just anyone who's out there, youknow, banking on this now that I
had to, But at the endof the day, the study was indicating
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that now since the pandemic, we'reseeing a reversal in those numbers. Right,
So I'm assuming you know what I'mspeaking to. So, with longevity
being an issue and people wanting theirselvesand their moms and their dads to live
longer lives I see and value.How you really want to impact those communities.
Tell me how does a company approachaddressing health disparities and ensuring that underserved
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communities have access to these life savingtechnologies. I think in addressing this problem,
you have like three key levels andthis is all connected. Number one,
we have kind of two arms tothe company. One is pushing the
frontiers of medicine by bringing self payerthe more premium price services to you,
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where we basically say you can havean accelerated access if you to the future,
because we don't have to figure outbefore we give it to you complicated
things with Medicare and with Blue Shieldand United Healthcare and everyone to figure out
how we exactly save money. Wecan say, well, let's save your
life first, you pay a littlemore and you get it now. That
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is very important because that helps usto understand the exact economics that then need
to be argued into the system atthe same time. So this is very
important because if you don't do that, it's like Tesla. If Tesla doesn't
build a car for wealthy people first, they will never build a car for
everyone, because that helps them tounderstand what's going on to streamline manufacturing.
It's not just when we talk abouthealth access. We often think about,
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oh, we need to be betterpeople, not be so greedy ABC.
That's not really how it works,right. You need to the key and
that's the second piece to the puzzleis innovation. If you don't innovate,
no one can afford rolling out agiant system that bankrupts the United States.
That's not beneficial for anyone. Sowe need to figure out how to do
it. It's about being pioneers andbuilding these systems. So you start here
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with more wealthy people who can helpfinance figuring that out while at the same
time we're driving innovation would bring downthe cost curve. And then as a
third point, have the will andthe motivation. That's where the last thing
comes in to actually plan that outas a system that needs to get to
everyone in the shortest amount of time. And I think all three im you
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need to push the frontier. Youneed to understand that there's only one solution
that brings equity to everyone. It'snot politics. That's innovation. Because if
you can't make it happen, youknow, right, you can complain all
day it's not going to walk,so that's important. But the third piece
is the will and the intent toactually make this happen right, which is
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unfortunately behind the scenes in healthcare,often missing too much about there. The
greed comes in a little bit.It's about the who cares like I want
to make a lot of money.That's the wrong attitude. And you need
to combine economic soundness with the abilityto innovate and the will to drive it
to a point where this becomes basicallyaccessible and free for everyone. Absolutely absolutely,
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I could not agree more. AndI think that you know, you
hit on something in you reminded meof I thought I had had earlier about
how, you know, pharmaceutical companiesare on everybody's you know, part of
my French you know, I'll spellit out, shi T list everybody.
They're on that list, right,they're on the we do not like you
list. You're you know, overcharging. And again, going back to what
I loved about hearing you speak andhearing the message that you champion is that
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yes, you know, if youare the person who can afford you know
this, that's great, But westill want to create a model that allows
everyone, the people to get it, and which is a show of integrity
because the pharmaceuticals they're trying they wantyou to get sick. Well that's the
theory, I should say. Youknow. The theory is they want you
to get sick. I know I'mnot gonna they want you to get sick
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because they want to milk you onthe back end for the cost of staying
getting better. So six society makesa wealthy pharmaceutical company or industry, and
what you're doing is literally trying tocut in front of that. You're you're
not saying, yeah, I wantto make you spend a lot of money,
and you just say no, spendsome money to actually not have to
have some hopefully have some of thosehealthcare issues down the runt or down the
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line. And I completely appreciate that. Can you talk about some of the
key milestones that have been achieved thusfar in advancing the goal of early detection
and more effective cures for all diseases? Absolutely, so, we have we
had some very important breakthroughs us andour peers. I always hate to talk
about competition in this space because we'reall trying to do the same thing right,
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So we're always grateful for any competitorwho is first, right, because
this is about first of all,even economically, we all benefit from advancing
the field. But also, youknow, I think it's terrible in healthcare
when you say, who I havethis drug, this person has the other
drug. Let's try to find outhow we prevent patients from getting that drugs
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so they have to take hours.I mean, that's exactly what we should
avoid, right, to not getinto that. And we had great breakthroughs
in twenty eighteen where we showed thisworks multi cancer detection in the blood.
We had a paper out then backthen and it's very clear, Okay,
this is the breakthrough, this isworking, and then other people also came
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out so clear the industry in twentyeighteen was at the point where it becomes,
without any doubt, you will betake cancer in the blood early stage
across all cancers. And then itwas just a question, okay, how
long does it take to bring downsome costs, improved some performance going to
the AI aspect in that in thevein of what you're talking about. Sometimes
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people can go to a doctor andthey can say, well, you know,
my mom had calling cancer or breastcancer. Actually I'm going to cite
a very specific case that I knowof a friend of mine who is a
fellow cancer survivor. Her mother passedaway from calling cancer and at an early
age, unfortunately, and she wentto the doctor about twenty five years old
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and she says, my mother hadpassed away from calling cancer. Should I
be screened? And the doctor madehis determination, no, you should wait
five years. She went she gota second opinion and that doctor said absolutely
not. You need to have acolonoscopy. When she came back from woke
up from the colonoscopy, the doctortold her, if you would have waited
those five years that that initial doctortold you, you would have already been
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dead, like you would you hadso many polyps and she had suddenly had
to go through treatment. So whileI'm saying this AI and the technology that
you are behind, it kind oftakes out this personal aspect that physicians can
sometimes do. And I'm not baggingon physicians, but they're not superhumans,
right, They've gone to school,but there's a like there were very complex
individuals and a lot of time whatthey can dismiss, unfortunately, can impact
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our lives. So the technology withthe AI, you know, and explain
that a little bit more. Howthat removes the you know what I'm going
to say, emotionally unintelligent aspect ofwhat physicians in human life lag. How
does that reinforce or how does thatprotect us and give us an advantage when
it comes to preventative healthcare. Probablyour favorite topic is that. So first
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of all, when it comes toAI, I always like to rephrase it
to MI medical intelligence. Okay,because the one as if it's artificial.
You want a system that is fullproof and knows everything however it does it.
There might be neural nets, machinelearning. There might be also hard
coded algorithms, so there might behybrid human things. So you need to
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see intelligence as the objective, notlike one specific type. But it needs
to be cloud centric and centralizing.So here's the problem. First of all,
there is no such thing as magic. Like physicians are humans. Humans
have eyes, they have ears,They have a brain. They see something,
they query their brain what it meanstheir brain is knows something. You
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don't know what they know. Youdon't know when they went to med school.
You don't know how much they read. You don't actually want that in
the future. You want a fullproof system that knows thousands or millions of
times more than a physician. Ithas to be like that. And you
know, believe me. We workwith a lot of physicians and have many
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physicians on the team, and Ilove them all and they help these systems.
They think the same as I do. Here. It's very simple.
You need to maximize data input intothe machine, into the system. This
system needs to have all knowledge atall times in real time, and the
system has to draw the right conclusionsbefore we even determine what the system is.
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That is. That's the goal,and the good news is we can
get infinitely closer now to that systemthan in individual physician. If you work
with us, you actually work withphysicians, but we have a much more
systematic intake of data. This datais fed into the core intelligence. The
qualitition is in the cloud. It'sconnected to all medical knowledge, all guidelines.
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It's updated in real time, sowe will know exactly what's appropriate at
what point. I shouldn't say exactly, We just know much more and then
we determine they are a bunch ofred flags. Okay, potential family or
proven family history for a qualon cancer? How bad is it? What guidelines
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change? Is implied. What otherdata points, so we have to we
have genetics on that person, thenwhat are the downstream recommended diagnostics that are
best for the patient. So quoscopyof course good standard. If it's a
little more unclear, maybe blood cancertests much easier, maybe a fit test,
write a stool test much easier.So you can then do that and
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that is That's how the future ofmedicine looks like, and that's what we
deliver today. We hope soon atlower prices, but that's what's happening now,
and that's so it makes a difference. I'm one of the previous businesses
I've owned. I'm sure my audienceslove listening to my backgrounds, but I
was actually one of the implementation advisorsfor the California medic Or view Board,
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a project called the Doctor's Office initiallyDocket Doctor's Office Quality Initiative. It and
our role for California being the largestday with the most doctors, and then
continuing from that being an example tothe rest of the unit the States was
on you know, information technology,even just that we're not even talking about,
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you know, what we would peopleperceive as the m I and the
AI models, but just but yes, but still medical intelligence data because data
is king. I love that youkeep talking about data. I'm not bored.
Because it makes a different You haveto pay attention to that. But
it was such a challenge to getpeople to understand at times the benefit like
a client or patient going into anencounter and then maybe the doctor recommends a
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prescription, but they don't know there'sa cross counter of another physician's doctor's medicine
that they've been prescribed. And thewhole reason for that intelligence is to prevent
that, you know, that mistake, that error. Also to another point
that is connected to us, tellme. It's a direct message to the
audience. Yes, please. Iknow we all have this instinct, especially
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in medicine, because we feel sovulnerable by definition, right, That's how
we can get sick, that's howwe can die. And the instinct is
the more terrible instinct that all ofus have. It's to give up responsibility
to say like I don't even ohmy god, I can't deal with it.
Please doctor take care of me.That's how you get killed, not
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just a medicine, but in general, the more important things are, the
less you can bury your head inthe sand. And we work in three
different verdict as. We work withresearch right, we work with payer provider
systems to try to convince the systemsto implement it, and we work with
kind of self payer concierge. Andmy message is always, if you can
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afford it, First of all,you should try to afford it. If
you can afford it, get outof that system and pay for your own
health and make your own decisions becausewe are doing our best, believe me
to make it all in the system. But the obstacles and the ridiculous thing
from your perspective. Who wants tonot die? Right, who wants to
be safe to rely on us havingnegotiations with Medicare and Blue Shield and Anthem
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and all these people who are allgood people, but they have to ask
their bosses, they have to asktheir investors. Then they have to go
back to the system. Their committeesand committees and committees say, oh,
but this costs six hundred bucks,absolutely unacceptable. Bring the price down to
three hundred and sixty nine, andwe can roll it out over this cross
section of the population. Right.You, if you are sitting here in
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LA and say like I'm scared ofcancer, I might have. Do not
wait fifteen years to have them figureout how to decrease the price from six
fifty to four hundred eighty nine.Right, that's not a good decision.
So that's just my message and toyour point. Also, you as a
patient when it comes to data,own your data and find systems where you
are the captain of your health.And physicians should be advisors and nothing else.
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Yes, that's what I always tellthem. Your lawyer, your financial
advisor, your physician might be themost important people, but they all have
the same role. They need toadvise you. You don't want a financial
advisor who takes over your finances andsay you know what, don't worry,
I manage this stuff. You don'tneed to know what that is, right,
agree, I always say, tryto not die and not go to
(26:06):
jail and not lose all your money. Then you're pretty good. And these
are the three institutions. Same withthe lawyers. Right, listen to them,
form your opinion, try to understandwhat's going on, and most importantly
in medicine. And I think ifI have one message, please everyone,
seize control of your health, startingwith yourself, and find the right advisors
(26:29):
and systems to do that for you? Yes, yes, and I love
that message. I think this isa quote from your side. Our vision
actually from you, excuse me.Our vision is what I call ten and
ten to extend the healthy human lifespanby a decade within the next decade by
accelerating the advent of precision genomics foreveryone. So, looking ahead future of
(26:51):
preventative healthcare and genomic analysis, whatdoes that look like to you and where
do you see yourself coming in?I think the future is very clear outlined
right. We have now the systemskind of price competitively ready to roll out
precision genomics impreventative care, which meansa blood test and some basic tests once
(27:17):
a year starting with forty probably dependingon your risk profile, and we can
detect all cancers early stage in theblood because not every single cancer all the
time, but at a very goodrate. That is the system we need
to roll out. That it isconnected to medical intelligence, so we understand
what it means in your personalized contextand draw the right conclusions. Now we
(27:40):
have a solution that's ready. It'sall about how can we increase adoption.
The higher the adoption, the lowerthe price. And you know, for
me, this really becomes a differentproblem. It's not science and medicine anymore.
That has all been solved. Itis about economy. But maybe more
(28:00):
interestingly, it's about us as acommunity. Can we find enough people who
get it, who want to getit, who think about their health,
who are not burying their heads inthe sands, say well, I don't
have cancer right now, why wouldI care. The whole point is you
should care so it doesn't happen more. If it happens, it happens early,
and you can do something so themore so it becomes a I don't
(28:23):
know, like it becomes a problemof can we be good stewards of this
mission go out in the world andtry to explain it to people and try
to build this tribe the tribe ofpeople say I care for myself, but
I also care for my family,and I care for us being these pioneers
who can bring that to everyone byjust using it. Yes, Yes,
(28:47):
I mean that honestly, that isso important. That is so key.
I you know, I kind ofwant to ask the question to some and
like, you know, people peopleget up every day and they love what
they do. Do you love whatyou do? Right now? Because of
(29:07):
the impact, Like you know,I know I said early on what drives
you? But every day when you'regetting up as the CEO of Quantine and
you see the future and you seewhat's happening, and you know that you
are creating this social good, likejust taking a second to talk about how
it personally impacts you, can youshare that with us? Yeah? Absolutely,
I think. I mean, ittook me a long way to get
(29:30):
here, even to start quantin,but I'm incredibly kind of grateful that fate
got me here because in a way, even though it's not easy sometimes you
know, you always have money,you need to talk to investors seldom,
people have problems you get you know, into they are all kinds of issues
when you run a company. Butthe the ability of you know, my
(29:56):
like the possibility that I have beengiven to actually do something about this with
a great, amazing team that reallybuilt something that didn't exist before, and
now the opportunity to talk really toeveryone. We just had a conversation with
the former Secretary of Health and HumanServices, so everyone from the top in
healthcare too, amazing people like youright who push the frontier in unhook our
(30:19):
code everything and concierge dogs very smartand like it's just like this feeling that
we can do something about such animportant topic that we are not passively just
sitting. There's like, oh mygod, I hope I don't get cancer.
We will die of another disease.It's just the best thing ever,
and that's it's not easy, butit's like an incredibly gratifying journey, and
(30:42):
I hope we can take it tothe next level now to really build a
community around it. I know thatyou are. I've seen it, I've
experienced it, and I'm happy foryou. I mean, you know,
you've shared your message, you've sharedyour heart. I do want to thank
you for that. And you know, with regards to just I mean,
we're going to still do a coupleof rapid fire questions for you. But
(31:03):
you know, for people who areinterested in supporting quant Gene, following along
or even adopting some of the amazingprojects that you have coming out, where
do they go? So, firstof all, I'm more than happy.
You know, you can always writeus emails directly at even to me JB
at Quantine dot com. I loveto hear from people back, like what
(31:26):
do you think? Right, I'mreally trying to be at the pulse.
So I will love at this pointyou think, oh, such a You
know, you have all this genomicstechnology and all these labs and you're the
CEO. I think you should notbe. I love getting direct feedback from
people because you never know, right. Just write me and tell me what
you think. I think it's Ilove it. Then you can go to
(31:48):
Quantine dot com. That's the basicwebsite, and to choose Serenity dot com
where the Serenity product is yes andyeah. I can just encourage everyone just
reached out. Our mission now isto build the community because that's what we
learned throughout the whole journey, fromclinical research projects to talking to pay us
(32:10):
and provide us to launching the conciergeside of things. You know, we
have to do this together and wehave to be a community, like this
is more than just a business.This is something that can save your life,
my life. And the technology ishere, so we need to do
something about it. Because all thehard things in a way have been solved.
(32:34):
Maybe the hardest hasn't been solved yet, which is building the community and
really getting people excited about it.Adopted, help more adoption, bring down
pricing, get it to everyone rightand remove those excuses exactly. We lean
on right because I mean I getit. I will say, you know,
my mother and law were talking aboutthat the other day. It being
sick can kind of be like apart time job. You do have to
(32:58):
go part time full time, Yeah, depending on what level you are.
And and I think you're right.And I just love what quant gene and
what yourself and what fred I knowover and you know what all of you
guys are doing your entire team,because I agree with you. I mean,
it is about taking a proactive role. Even with my own journey,
I just recognized im. I evenremember having a doctor one time say well,
(33:21):
you know, we'll wait and see. And I, with all due
respect doctor, I'm the one who'sgot to go home and kiss my kids
at night. I'm not going totrust wait and see. We have technology
available, so let's use it rightso that I can make sure I appreciate
you and I look forward to seeingyou again. Thank you. It's a
pleasure. Thank you guys, andto you at home. Well, let's
(33:43):
see that not just wraps up anotherseason. I mean, excuse me,
and that doesn't just wrap up ouranother episode that actually wraps up the end
of our season. So we've talkedabout emotional help. We've had incredible guests.
As I've said, I I'm remindedof the incredible power of human innovation
(34:04):
and collaboration by our conversation today.Today we explored the intersection of AI,
genomics and preventive health and saw howthose fields have the potential to sform healthcare
for the better. As we moveforward, Let's continue to push the boundaries
of what's possible and work towards aworld where healthcare is accessible, equitable,
and effective. Let's build bridges acrossdisciplines and communities and harness the power of
(34:30):
technology for the greater good of all. But it's not just about technology and
data. It's about people. It'sabout empowering individuals and communities to take charge
of their own health and wellbeing andworking together to create a brighter, healthier
future for all. This season hasbeen sprinkled with the components of emotional intelligence,
(34:51):
empathies, self regulation, self awareness, motivation, and social skills.
And while I hope you have enjoyedthe season, I hope more than anything,
you're left wanting more for yourself,for your family, and for your
community. You are capable, youare worthy, and you better be unsugarcoated.
We love you, we appreciate you. Until next season. Thank you
(35:14):
for letting us be unsugarcoated.
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